Time  Nick        Message
02:14 tcohen      hi
02:14 dcook       hey tcohen
02:15 tcohen      hey dcook :-D
02:20 tcohen      dcook: did u have time to check my facets patch?
02:20 dcook       Alas, I have not :/
02:21 dcook       But I think I might be able to soon!
02:21 dcook       Like later today
02:21 dcook       What's the bug number again?
02:21 dcook       I might actually look at that now..
02:22 trea        o/
02:22 dcook       Oh wait... I just remembered something else I have to do... still!
02:22 dcook       yo trea
02:22 trea        greetings dcook
02:26 dcook       tcohen: Actually, I do have some time atm
02:26 tcohen      there is bug 12788
02:26 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
02:27 dcook       Looks like it's already been signed off? Yay!
02:27 dcook       I'll take a look anyway :)
02:28 tcohen      and on top of that, you can check bit.ly/1x3wdJT
03:09 tcohen      beer rules mortals will
03:38 dcook       beer!
03:38 dcook       Alas, I just bought beer on Friday and now it's all gone :(
03:39 jcamins     Too bubbly for me.
03:39 jcamins     FYI
03:40 eythian     dcook: you made an amateur mistake, you should buy by the case.
03:43 dcook       eythian: Agreed
03:43 dcook       In the past, it was a bit too heavy to get back to my house, but now I'm closer to the bottle shop :D
03:43 dcook       Alas, when there is a case in the house, it disappears quickly between the wife and I
03:44 jcamins     dcook: you like working out! Carrying beer cases can be your exercise!
03:44 dcook       hehe
03:44 dcook       That thought might've crossed my mind, jcamins ;)
03:45 jcamins     Excellent.
03:45 jcamins     Well, good night.
03:45 wahanui     Don't go, jcamins. Stay a while. Stay forever.
03:45 jcamins     My work here is done.
03:46 tcohen      hey
03:46 tcohen      hi jcamins
03:47 wizzyrea    never enough beer.
03:47 tcohen      wizzyrea++
03:48 dcook       ^
03:55 dcook       night, jcamins
04:41 tcohen      night
04:42 dcook       night tcohen
05:25 eythian     crikey, I just refactored the whole biblio access class I created so I can share code for indexing authorities easier, and it seems to have worked first time.
05:25 eythian     that's always a concern.
05:29 dcook       Hmm, maybe it was just an illusion
05:29 dcook       It was probably broken :)
05:30 * dcook     tries to think of something else heartening to say
05:30 eythian     heh
05:30 dcook       Hope it keeps working :)
05:30 eythian     http://youtu.be/DHQRZXM-4xI <-- dcook, this might be helpful
05:39 cait        eythian: the bugs are just well hidden? ;)
05:39 eythian     hi cait
05:39 eythian     it's possible :)
05:43 eythian     whew, OK, tomorrow I can get authorities indexing. Then everything will asplode, I'm sure.
05:51 cait        be back later, have a nce evening eythian and dcook
05:51 eythian     later
05:51 dcook       eythian: hehe
05:52 dcook       Fortunately, my wife has taught me a lot
05:52 dcook       I think we have a book somewhere around the house with a lot of words as well..
05:52 eythian     there's a whole series of videos, they're very funny
06:11 ashimema    mornin' #koha
06:16 ashimema    that vid is brilliant eythian..
06:16 petter      god morning
06:16 petter      good
06:16 petter      let's keep religion out of it
06:16 ashimema    though not especially approriate with the 5 year old daughter behind me ;)
06:17 dcook       ashimema: She'll be speaking fluent Australian in no time like the 5 years old here :p
06:19 ashimema    lol.. that's what scares me.
06:19 ashimema    I know how my cousins turned out ;)
06:20 ashimema    lol.. bit of casual racism here.. it's catching :P
06:21 * ashimema  heads down to breakfast
06:25 indradg     afternoon #koha
06:33 * magnuse   waves
06:35 petter      morn magnus!
06:39 dcook       hey everyone to whom I haven't yet said hey :)
06:39 reiveune    hello
06:40 dcook       salut :)
06:42 magnuse     hei petter
06:42 magnuse     hiya dcook and reiveune
06:42 reiveune    hi magnuse dcook
06:47 magnuse     @wunder boo
06:47 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
06:48 magnuse     @wunder wellington
06:48 huginn      magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
06:48 magnuse     @wunder wellington, nz
06:48 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (6:30 PM NZST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
06:48 magnuse     heh
06:48 magnuse     @wunder tokyo
06:48 huginn      magnuse: The current temperature in Tokyo, Japan is 28.0°C (3:30 PM JST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
06:48 magnuse     gah
06:48 petter      hehe, not bad actually
06:49 magnuse     at least you're not hugging a radiator?
06:52 dcook       @wunder syd
06:52 huginn      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (4:30 PM EST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
06:52 dcook       petter: You're in Tokyo?
06:52 * dcook     looks outside
06:53 dcook       Surely it's nicer than 14... such weird weather this year
06:55 petter      yes
06:57 petter      Here too, weird weather everywhere these days it seems
06:57 dcook       Agreed
07:05 magnuse     *very* weird weather in Bodø this summer: hot and sunny and very little wind
07:05 magnuse     hiya Viktor and indradg
07:05 magnuse     hiya matts
07:05 matts       hi !
07:05 indradg     hi back :)
07:06 indradg     @wunder Kolkata
07:06 huginn      indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 26.0°C (12:20 PM IST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:08 Viktor      Hi magnuse
07:09 Viktor      And good morning (change to greeting relevant for your timezone) to all!
07:45 cait        hi #koha
07:45 magnuse     kia ora cait
07:45 cait        hm trying to make a custom sugg status show up in 3.16.2
07:45 cait        does that work for someoneß
07:48 cait        hi magnuse
07:50 cait        @later tell gmcharlt - can you please consider 10519 for 3.16?
07:50 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
07:53 Hopla       Hey Koha
07:54 Hopla       i have 4 files who duppplicate themselves (the cataloging source field and the title) if i delete it and reopen it comes back ... anny tips ?
07:56 indradg     Hopla: the deleted records do not seem to be deleted?
07:57 Hopla       wel it are imported records from Z39.50 and they seem to duplicate sertain fields
07:58 Hopla       if i cleabn it up they come back
07:58 Hopla       i have 2 cataloging source ... try to delete one but it returns
08:00 Hopla       i do save them but on reentering the 2nd field is back
08:00 Hopla       i had one with more dupplicates also
09:19 indradg     @seen eythian
09:19 huginn      indradg: eythian was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <eythian> there's a whole series of videos, they're very funny
09:22 indradg     @later tell eythian you might like to answer that http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-September/040654.html :-)
09:22 huginn      indradg: The operation succeeded.
11:48 jcamins     tcohen: it's all your fault that my mate is cold.
11:48 jcamins     :)
11:58 oleonard    Hi #koha
12:26 tcohen      morning!
12:26 wahanui     morning is a state of the cait
12:53 francharb   Hello all
12:55 francharb   Has someone noticed that every search box in master's pro interface  fall back on the catalogue search ?
12:55 francharb   I just updated my installation and noticed it
12:56 francharb   cait, ^
12:58 oleonard    I don't have that problem francharb
12:58 francharb   hum...
12:58 francharb   I'm on master branch
12:58 tcohen      hi francharb
13:00 francharb   oleonard, thanks I'm going to dig deaper
13:00 magnuse     francharb: were the templates updated as well?
13:00 francharb   I think so magnuse
13:00 magnuse     ah
13:00 francharb   I'm going to check
13:00 * magnuse   gotta run
13:00 francharb   I have a meeting. I'll check all this after
13:01 francharb   If I'm the only one, the problem is my side. Ouf!
13:01 francharb   :)
13:43 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12205: (regression tests) HoldsInNoissuesCharge controls GetMemberAccountBalance... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5faef12f68671a0e6460e219c98c86ff86e478be> / Bug 12205: DBRev 3.17.00.018 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=063bf5d9fa08a332a92e16d79eee16d264ca281e> / Bug 12205 : Add a system preference allowing hold charges to block circ <http://git.koha-com
13:57 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
13:58 tcohen      hi mtompset
13:59 mtompset    Greetings, tcohen.
14:08 mtompset    Does anyone (read oleonard or some other expert) know how to tell which version of TinyMCE we have in Koha?
14:09 mtompset    Because I'd like to submit a bug report: language="javascript" is obsolete.
14:09 oleonard    mtompset: Besides looking at the files themselves, you can load a page like koha-news.pl and click the ? icon in the editor toolbar
14:09 oleonard    Answer: 3.5.8
14:10 oleonard    Current version is 4.1.4
14:11 mtompset    Okay.
14:11 mtompset    Thanks for the tip, oleonard.
14:11 mtompset    oleonard++ # handy, dandy info.
14:41 ashimema    somthing tells me there's a dev meeting soon?
14:41 tcohen      19 minutes
14:43 ashimema    I thought I'd manage to miss it.
14:43 ashimema    it's been one of those days today..
14:43 ashimema    how are you tcohen?
14:44 tcohen      i'm fine ashimema
14:44 tcohen      been thinking on our testing framework
14:46 ashimema    oh?
14:46 ashimema    related to the testbuilder discussion?
14:46 tcohen      oh, i recall rangi asked that the meetings are listed in a specific wiki page
14:47 tcohen      i think we are not testing side effects at all
14:47 ashimema    the wiki in it's current form isn't especially usefull to be honest.
14:48 tcohen      and they should be run in a random order
14:48 ashimema    having said that though.. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_September_2014
14:48 ashimema    there's todays meeting in wiki form.
14:48 ashimema    I agree.. it's great that we're getting better test coverage.. but I'm really not sure how good our tests actually are as yet ;)
14:49 ashimema    I would far rather see the data used for testing begin completely randomised.. so we know that feature don't jsut work for a very specific case.
14:50 ashimema    that bug I got you to run the tests for the other day was a prime example of badly written lagacy tests in my mind
14:50 tcohen      tests should not depend on any data on the DB
14:50 tcohen      jenkins should start with just kohastructure
14:50 ashimema    I also agree..
14:51 tcohen      that raises the barrier, thou
14:51 cait        i agree about just kohastructure
14:51 cait        i think it also makes you realize what is needed
14:52 tcohen      we need a methodology
14:52 tcohen      :-D
14:52 ashimema    testbuilder would help some way in lowering the barrier again..
14:52 tcohen      understand what we need to test
14:52 ashimema    but there's a big dissagreement on it.
14:52 tcohen      and what are we test5ing
14:52 tcohen      we are doing integration tests against a DB
14:53 tcohen      ideally, all DB interaction should be mocked
14:53 ashimema    I totally agree..
14:53 tcohen      and have proper db access layer tests
14:53 tcohen      can we have that?
14:53 tcohen      not sure
14:53 tcohen      how long it will take
14:53 ashimema    though rangi did sell me on the idea of really every test should be written to run in both modes.. with and without the db..
14:54 ashimema    else you may miss db related breakages.. for instance when the schema changes slightly
14:54 tcohen      my feeling is that testbuilder has a good point on having both approaches considered
14:54 tcohen      if we have randomized data
14:54 ashimema    tesbuilder is a bad name for that module as it stands..
14:54 ashimema    it should be called datagenerator or somthing..
14:55 tcohen      we can rename it and preserve yohann's attribution
14:55 ashimema    it simply adds randomized data to the database for you.. it does not go any way towards mocking
14:55 ashimema    indeed we can..
14:55 ashimema    but there was a vocal push back on it from a number of developer..
14:55 ashimema    I'd like to get some more of them on side ;)
14:55 mtompset    Did we actually start the meeting already?!
14:55 ashimema    not yet..
14:55 cait        you seemed so busy
14:55 ashimema    we're just debating mtompset ;)
14:56 cait        and it's still 5 mins
14:56 cait        hm is there a nice way to see from a commit which version includes it in git?
14:56 cait        like show the last tag or something?
14:57 mtompset    Actually, I like the notion of randomized data, but not just randomized. I want comprehensive.
14:57 ashimema    there are two reasons I stopped looking at TestBuilder tcohen.. I couldn't work out what the followup schema dbic related patch was meant to do and how it related to another bug.. and I was still working out for myself whether I agree with the principle of it overall ;)
14:57 tcohen      i don't agree with the principle
14:57 tcohen      :-D
14:58 tcohen      but i see it as a shortcut
14:58 tcohen      assuming we cannot have people working on duplicating everything
14:58 ashimema    I'd almost prefer a contribution to Test::DBIx::Class::Factory that added the foreign key populating stuff that's missing.. rather than us inventing a new wheel again.
14:58 tcohen      because, lets be honest, we don't spend a lot of time on writing unit tests
14:59 * tcohen    agrees
14:59 cait        hm not sure - it feels to get a lot more :)
14:59 ashimema    It's only when I started looking at this bug I found /t/lib/ to start with to be honest..
14:59 ashimema    if i'de fund that earlier my shib test would have been easier to write ;)
14:59 tcohen      which bug?
14:59 tcohen      ah
15:00 ashimema    Bug 10298
15:00 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10298 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, t::lib::Mocks tries to deal with syspref but doesn not manage to
15:00 cait        meeting time? who chairs? :)
15:00 ashimema    for the stuff I'm talking about..
15:00 ashimema    the t/lib/Mocks.pm seems a nice module to have.. though it's still very small..
15:01 * tcohen    is interested on that ashimema
15:01 ashimema    we can discuss after//as part of the meeting ;)
15:01 tcohen      i remember being hammered for proposing unit test writing guidelines ;)
15:01 ashimema    cait.. your so good at chairing ;)
15:01 * ashimema  smiles nicely at cait
15:01 * mtompset  agrees with ashimema. :)
15:01 tcohen      cait: you're the best
15:02 cait        someone has me a link to the agenda then?
15:02 tcohen      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_September_2014
15:02 * cait      demands to be paid in cookies :)
15:02 cait        and well written test plans
15:02 * ashimema  get baking
15:03 mtompset    my $Plate4Cait = CGI::Cookie->new();
15:03 cait        #startmeeting Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1
15:03 huginn      Meeting started Tue Sep  2 15:03:04 2014 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:03 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:03 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_1'
15:03 ashimema    there are a bunch of 'extra' topic on the trello.. but I suggest we stick to the wiki agenda to start with.
15:03 cait        welcome :)
15:03 cait        #topic Introductions
15:03 wahanui     #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:03 cait        please introduce yourself like wahanui with #info
15:03 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany, QAM
15:03 ashimema    #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, QA Team
15:03 ztajoli     #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA (Italy)
15:03 tcohen      #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
15:03 mtompset    #info Mark Tompsett, Canada
15:03 ColinC      #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe, UK
15:04 Joubu       #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France
15:04 cait        #topic RM 3.18 comments
15:04 druthb      #info D Ruth Bavousett, in and out, no one of any importance
15:04 cait        handing over to tcohen :)
15:05 tcohen      hi
15:05 wahanui     bonjour, tcohen
15:05 atheia      hello
15:05 wahanui     hello, atheia
15:05 tcohen      i've started pushing new features that were sitting on the PQA queue
15:05 oleonard    #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
15:05 tcohen      notably SRU
15:06 atheia      #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK
15:06 ashimema    tcohen++
15:06 tcohen      i'd also like to mention that i've been working on retrieving facets from zebra
15:06 cait        tcohen++
15:06 tcohen      which is already functional, but i'm missing unit tests for it
15:06 cait        yay!
15:06 * ashimema  has tested tcohens zebra faceting.. so far so good..
15:06 cait        ashimema: is it speedy?
15:06 tcohen      what i've got so far is here: https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/tree/bug_11232_facets_from_zebra
15:07 Joubu       (tcohen: arf, too bad, you didn't win beers :p)
15:07 tcohen      once i have unit tests for it, i'll attach to bz
15:07 ashimema    It 'feels' quicker.. but I've not yet done any proper measurements..
15:07 tcohen      Joubu: i have time, until thursday
15:07 tcohen      :-D
15:07 cait        why thursday?
15:07 ashimema    It also feels like it's giving more relevant facets to me.. but i'm no librarian.. was going to ask a customer to take a look
15:07 * jcamins   waves.
15:07 tcohen      its a super secret bet i put
15:08 jcamins     #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
15:08 cait        ashimema++ too
15:09 tcohen      i expect people related to Search code to step in
15:09 mtompset    I will definitely test 11232 once you post it all up and good. :)
15:09 tcohen      other thing that i'm worried about is the UTF-8 work, but we have space to discuss later
15:09 mtompset    Because it will affect how we hide things. :)
15:09 reiveune    bye
15:10 cait        hm bit late but
15:10 cait        #info agenda http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_September_2014
15:11 cait        #info tcohen has working code for retrieving facets from zebra, will write unit tests until Thursday
15:11 tcohen      hi jcamins
15:11 cait        move on?
15:11 tcohen      ok, moving on
15:11 tcohen      ^^^^^ that
15:11 cait        #topic Cleanup UTF-8
15:11 tcohen      Joubu
15:12 Joubu       hum?
15:12 cait        what's the status? :)
15:12 Joubu       I don't have something new to tell
15:12 tcohen      what is the current status?
15:12 wahanui     i guess the current status is "Failed QA"
15:12 tcohen      ok
15:12 ztajoli     I can say that Paola Rossi and I we have finish to test it
15:12 Joubu       tcohen: the status is needs signoff
15:12 cait        #info Bug 11944 Cleanup Koha UTF-8
15:13 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
15:13 cait        #link bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944
15:13 ztajoli     the result is on the wiki
15:13 cait        #info wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development
15:13 Joubu       (still signoff by dpavlin and ztajoli)
15:13 ztajoli     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development
15:13 tcohen      ok, so RM comments on this
15:13 cait        ztajoli: can you sign off or are there specific problems to be solved still?
15:14 ztajoli     We do the test using biblibre specific git branch.
15:14 bag         morning
15:14 wahanui     morning is a state of cat
15:15 tcohen      the patches are working
15:15 ztajoli     We can sign-off with master for last test if is all OK
15:15 cait        ztajoli: you said finished testing - is it signed off or failed qa? :)
15:15 tcohen      involved people have extensibly tested the results
15:15 ztajoli     In my opinion is 'signed off' as result
15:15 tcohen      can we have it signed off?
15:15 ztajoli     but it a wide change
15:16 tcohen      gmcharlt: around?
15:16 Joubu       tcohen: I am not it is relevant to add the SO status on all the patches
15:16 Joubu       I maitain the branch, it's up-to-date. It's easier to maintain that the patches on the bug report
15:16 cait        ... support call :(
15:17 Joubu       The patches should be pushed to master quickly. If we wait 1month before the 3.18 release, it will be too late and too dangerous (too late to fix bugs).
15:17 ztajoli     So, I don't know what to do now
15:19 Joubu       ztajoli: you can switch the status to signoff, don't update the patches.
15:19 tcohen      has anyone thought on how to have regression tests for this?
15:19 tcohen      that is my main concern
15:19 ashimema    I was about to ask that tcohen..
15:19 ztajoli     But to do QA ?
15:19 Joubu       no, I don't know
15:19 tcohen      i volunteered to do something about it, but didn't manage to have the time
15:19 ashimema    do we need to introduce any further processes to qa.. or the coding guidelines to ensure we don't hit this issue again.
15:20 Joubu       ashimema: we should add use cgi -utf8
15:20 Joubu       easy to add to the qa script
15:20 gmcharlt    OK
15:20 tcohen      I think C4::Templates should be tested somehow
15:21 gmcharlt    as far as testing is concerned ... what we need is testing via LWP::UserAgent or the equivalent
15:21 ashimema    Joubu.. that was exactly the sort of answer i was hoping for ;)
15:21 gmcharlt    that automates passing and receiving text and verifies that it comes back with appropriate coding
15:22 ColinC      If adding a use cgi -utf8 be clear on the cases where you definitely do not want to use that
15:23 tcohen      gmcharlt: that needs apache running, right?
15:23 gmcharlt    yeah, given that we have several places where binary input needs to be uploaded
15:23 gmcharlt    tcohen: yes
15:23 * mtompset  steps out for 1.5 hours.
15:23 gmcharlt    that could be managed either with a self-contained config
15:23 tcohen      gmcharlt: should those tests be prepared to be run on jenkins?
15:24 gmcharlt    or, for dev machines, perhaps by taking advantage of multiple-Apache-instance support on Deb/Ubuntu
15:24 gmcharlt    tcohen: IMO, yes
15:25 tcohen      so we need to test plain templates, templates using template plugins
15:25 tcohen      pages retireving binary data
15:25 tcohen      what else?
15:25 gmcharlt    certain function tests
15:26 gmcharlt    - searching patrons with/without diacritics
15:26 gmcharlt    - search patrons with both NFC and NFD forms
15:26 gmcharlt    - collation in SQL query results
15:27 Joubu       Unit tests are requested for 2 months and nobody wrote them. So I am not sure we will find someone to write them.
15:27 ashimema    silly question.. if we're doing the big db shift to utf8_unicode_ci.. should we not make the jump to utf8mb8_unicode_ci instead?
15:27 ashimema    to inlcude the entire character set.. not mysql's abridged one?
15:28 Joubu       ashimema: utf8mb8?
15:29 gmcharlt    ashimema: not a silly question; at first glance, doing that seems sensible
15:29 gmcharlt    Joubu: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-utf8mb4.html
15:29 ashimema    Joubu: https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4
15:29 tcohen      do we need to test through apache our cgi scripts? can't we just use a sensible IO layer ?
15:29 ashimema    in short.. when mysql implimented utf8 first time around.. they got it worng and only included like half the character set..
15:29 ashimema    mb4 is the solution to that.
15:30 gmcharlt    Joubu: I will write tests; I realize I have been saying that all summer, but I /do/ want to get the improvements into 3.18 and will work to make that happen
15:30 gmcharlt    tcohen: we need full-stack testing, IMO
15:30 tcohen      ok
15:30 * tcohen    volunteers to help gmcharlt
15:30 Joubu       gmcharlt: Are you sure we need UT before pushing the patches?
15:31 Joubu       if we need UT to catch regression, we can wait for UT
15:31 Joubu       if the changes are pushed, all developers will catch errors
15:33 ashimema    #info gmcharlt & tcohen are going to write some tests for utf8 regressions
15:34 ashimema    caits on the phone so isn't moving the meeting forward at the minute..
15:34 cait        sorry had a call to answer - do i have to do something? reading back as fast as I can
15:34 ashimema    is there anything to agree on regarding the above then.. or shall we move on.
15:34 tcohen      i'll resign my beers jcamins, to have some time for the utf8 unit tests
15:34 ashimema    cait your back..
15:34 * ashimema  hans back the reighns
15:35 ztajoli     So I put the bug 11944 as 'Signed OFF'
15:35 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
15:35 ztajoli     QA based on biblibre branch
15:35 gmcharlt    Joubu: tcohen and I are in a sidebar conversation about timing, one moment
15:36 ashimema    :)
15:36 ztajoli     If it ok, insert in master to test
15:37 cait        #action gmcharlt will write unit tests
15:37 tcohen      we will set a deadline of 9/19 for this work
15:38 tcohen      ok?
15:38 tcohen      Joubu: ?
15:38 Joubu       tcohen: You are the RM :)
15:39 cait        9/19?
15:39 wahanui     0.473684210526316
15:39 cait        september 19
15:39 ashimema    19/09/2014
15:39 ashimema    sounds good to me tcohen..
15:39 cait        the deadline is for unit tests?
15:39 ashimema    info it cait.. then they can't forget ;)
15:39 tcohen      cait: yes
15:39 cait        #info deadline for utf-8 unit tests is 19 September
15:39 ztajoli     In same time anyone do generic QA on the patch ?
15:40 cait        I don't have the time currently - probably not much time the next 2 weeks
15:40 cait        or a bit longer
15:40 ashimema    I'll take a look at qa on it.. to start with anyways..
15:40 ashimema    I'm quietly coersing cait to collaborate on qa for it in another window ;)
15:41 cait        #action ashimema will start QA on it
15:41 ashimema    just me then..
15:41 * cait      doesn't see another window
15:41 cait        :P
15:41 cait        #action cait will try to help, but won't have much time the next 2 weeks or a bit longer
15:41 ashimema    the misses won't like me much.. think it's gonna have to reside as an evenings job.. but certainly important one to get in.
15:42 * cait      thinks we should send the misses cookies
15:42 ashimema    shall we move on
15:42 cait        do we have something for the coding guidelines?
15:42 cait        #topic Additions to coding guidelines
15:42 tcohen      2 spaces for tt files :-P
15:43 * cait      hasn't seen that
15:43 cait        if noone has a proposition, can we move on to the next topic? ;)
15:43 tcohen      move on
15:43 cait        #topic Bugs
15:44 Joubu       ashimema: problems can be on search results (facets, resort, etc.)
15:44 cait        anyone wants to talk about his/her favourite bug? :)
15:44 ashimema    Cheers Joubu.. i'll pay special attention to those
15:44 cait        you can also do so in the next topic :)
15:44 tcohen      i'd like to mention bug 12788, which solves a regression on 3.16
15:44 Joubu       cait: certainly.
15:44 wahanui     certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it.
15:44 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
15:45 Joubu       We should fix the issue about marc mod template
15:45 Joubu       but I am asking for 10 months
15:45 * Joubu     stops to complain
15:45 cait        #info bug 12788 SO - Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records
15:45 tcohen      which bug is that Joubu
15:45 cait        i think marcelr started but then got stuck somewhere
15:45 cait        what's the current status?
15:45 wahanui     well, the current status is "Failed QA"
15:46 Joubu       cait: NQA
15:46 ashimema    cait: you wanted to promote bug 10212
15:46 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Columns configuration for tables
15:46 cait        heh yes
15:47 ashimema    i.e. lets get developers using the column configuration stuff more widely
15:47 Joubu       I sent patches for bugs in architecture/plumbing. The need signoff.
15:47 cait        Joubu: coudl you send me a reminder about the bug numbers? or leave a comment on the first one?
15:47 ashimema    not sure how to achieve this
15:48 Joubu       cait: 11395 and others
15:48 cait        i think letting people knwo it's there is a first step
15:48 Joubu       ashimema: I will try to integrate the columns conf for tables in the acq module on rewriting the tax stuff.
15:48 cait        Joubu: i made a note
15:48 ashimema    hmm.. maybe add reference to it on the datatables wiki page.
15:49 ashimema    :) yeay Joubu
15:49 cait        ashimema: that a good idea
15:49 ashimema    I'll do that cait.
15:49 cait        a note to the devle list maybe too?
15:49 cait        i think it will only be useful when we start using it for other tables besides currencies :)
15:49 cait        acq will be great
15:50 ashimema    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DataTables_HowTo is the page I'm going to add to
15:50 ashimema    any dbic experts care to weight in on bug 11518
15:50 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype
15:50 cait        #action ashimema is going to add a note about Columns configuration (bug 10212) to the wiki (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DataTables_HowTo)
15:50 Joubu       I need feedbacks on bug 12826
15:50 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , GST / VAT rewrite - plumbing
15:50 ashimema    the last followup patches..
15:51 ashimema    the also affect bug 12603 I beleive
15:51 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests
15:52 Joubu       Something else, I am going to wake bug 11926 up
15:52 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Render community koha statistic usages
15:52 cait        ok, i am getting a bit lost about teh #info s - please add one yourself for those  i missed
15:52 Joubu       I would like to know if some companies/libraries is candidate for testing it
15:53 Joubu       #info Feedback needed on bugs 11518, 12826 and 12603
15:54 ashimema    I'm keen on 11926 Joubu.. but would need to discus with some customers/colleagues first regarding data collection policies
15:55 Joubu       ashimema: It can be anonymous
15:55 ztajoli     I plan to test GST / VAT.
15:55 ashimema    Indeed.. but I still need to check that it's ok to collect such data at all..
15:56 Joubu       ashimema: the data will be pref values, library name (or not), volumetry (patrons, records)
15:56 ztajoli     As I see the first to sign-off is 12827
15:56 Joubu       ashimema: yes, of course :)
15:56 ashimema    :)
15:57 ztajoli     Generaly speaking we can work on 'sign-off'
15:57 ashimema    cait.. I think you also wnated to raise a question about bug 11625 adn bug 11747
15:57 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Default to logged in library for circ rules and notices & slips
15:57 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Default to logged in library for Overdue notice/status triggers
15:57 cait        ashimema: maybe better for the next meeting :)
15:57 ashimema    regarding 'default select branch' and how it should be handled?
15:58 cait        ztajoli: does paola have a nickname?
15:58 Joubu       ztajoli: Actually it's the most important bottleneck!
15:58 ztajoli     no
15:58 cait        ztajoli++, paola++ :)
15:58 cait        yep sign offs are quite important
15:58 cait        please keep up the good work
15:59 Joubu       ztajoli: Paole does a wonderful job on signoff
15:59 ashimema    serverside handling of datatables..
15:59 ztajoli     Paole doesn't like to be present on chat
15:59 cait        ztajoli: please tell her we love her work :)
15:59 ztajoli     So I speak also for here
15:59 Joubu       (Paola, sorry)
15:59 ashimema    tcohen, Joubu.. do either of you have any thoughts on standardising where code should live?
15:59 ztajoli     No problem if you write her
16:00 tcohen      ashimema: elaborate?
16:00 Joubu       ashimema: yes please :)
16:00 ashimema    currently but 9811 puts the backend code for the datatables ajax code in one place.. and bug 11703 puts it in a completely different place..
16:00 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
16:00 ashimema    it's hard to qa such a thing withough a rule to refer to in the guidelines somewhere.
16:01 ashimema    C4/Utils/Datatables and /srv are the two places so far i've spotted this issue.
16:01 Joubu       ashimema: C4::Utils::Datatables uses a script in svc
16:01 ashimema    (we have similar problems for the api for instance).. but I thought I'd try and grab the datatables one before either plce become to prevatlent.
16:01 Joubu       svc/members/search
16:01 tcohen      all business logic should be packaged and testable
16:02 tcohen      endpoint/routing code should be clean and unimportant in terms of complexity
16:04 ashimema    I think maybe save that debate for the next meeting..
16:04 * cait      tends to agree
16:04 Joubu       ashimema: does your question only about DT ?
16:04 ashimema    There's a bunch of stuff still to discuss in the dev meeting trello board..
16:04 ashimema    in this case it was only about DT..
16:05 tcohen      ok, i have to leave
16:05 ashimema    but there's the more general cases out there..
16:05 cait        i think we need to wrap up for tody
16:05 cait        tcohen: when for the next meeting?
16:05 tcohen      there's a lot to talk about in the pipe
16:05 tcohen      next week
16:05 wahanui     hmmm... next week is project week
16:05 cait        forget next week
16:05 wahanui     cait: I forgot next week
16:05 ashimema    same time next week ;)
16:05 tcohen      the next otherwise
16:05 cait        ok... same day?
16:05 * tcohen    agrees
16:05 tcohen      same day/time
16:06 cait        #topic Agree on time for next meeting
16:06 cait        that would be september 9th, 15 + 22
16:06 cait        UTC
16:06 Joubu       +1
16:06 ztajoli     +1
16:07 cait        #agreed Next meeting will be (given agreement from second meeting today) - September 9th, 15 + 22 UTC
16:07 cait        #endmeeting
16:07 huginn      Meeting ended Tue Sep  2 16:07:05 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
16:07 huginn      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_1.2014-09-02-15.03.html
16:07 huginn      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_1.2014-09-02-15.03.txt
16:07 huginn      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_1.2014-09-02-15.03.log.html
16:07 ColinC      +1
16:07 cait        sorry again for getting distracted by the phone call - and thx ashimema++ for helping out
16:08 Joubu       Did someone have a look at bug 12830? I introduce a new module for order: Koha::Acquisition::Order. Does it make sense for everyone?
16:08 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12830 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the order-related code into its own module
16:09 Joubu       cait: How can I "freeze" the vat spec? I don't know if everybody had a look... :-/
16:09 ztajoli     I have check VAT spec and for us is OK
16:10 ztajoli     on bug 12830, I have the same opinon of Colin: Good stuff breaking down C4::acquisition into more manageable parts
16:11 cait        sorry Joubu, need to leave
16:11 cait        maybe ashimema can help with the wiki
16:11 cait        colin suggested a different way to handle the fields, maybe add a comment on that?
16:11 cait        i need to run, bbl
16:13 ashimema    I'm not sure we have the plugins in our mediaiwki to lock a page..
16:14 ztajoli     Bye to all
16:16 Joubu       Have to go too, see you tomorrow
16:21 Joubu       bug 12669 needs additional POV too
16:21 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12669 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , "Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone"
16:21 Joubu       qa pov
16:57 bag         http://bywatersolutions.com/2014/09/02/everylibrary-donation/
16:57 * bag       just posting cause I think it's pretty cool and important project
17:03 * cait      waves
18:28 wnickc      is there any way to tell a patron-opac renewal apart from a staff-desk renewal?
18:29 cait        hm yes
18:29 cait        but it depends a bit on how your koha is configured
18:29 cait        sec
18:30 oleonard    Are you thinking of the  OpacRenewalBranch system preference cait?
18:30 cait        yes :)
18:30 cait        thx oleonard
18:31 oleonard    wnickc: It records "OPACRenew" instead of a branch code in statistics
18:31 wnickc      ah, but we have it set to 'library the item was checked out from'
18:32 wnickc      not a big deal just had to check
18:32 wnickc      thanks cait and oleonard
18:46 jcamins     @wunder 11375
18:46 huginn      jcamins: The current temperature in Meadow Lake, New York, New York is 33.4°C (1:50 PM EDT on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
19:09 tcohen      bye #koha
19:44 rangi       morning
19:46 cait        morning rangi
20:39 mtompset    Greetings, rangi cait. :)
20:40 mtompset    -- jcamins too. :)
20:40 mtompset    I should scroll back and see what I missed.
20:41 cait        hi mtompset
20:56 tcohen      hi kiwis
21:00 rangi       hi tcohen
21:02 tcohen      hi rangi
21:08 bag         heya tcohen
21:08 tcohen      hi bag
21:08 bag         rangi: http://bywatersolutions.com/2014/09/02/everylibrary-donation/
21:09 rangi       cool :)
21:11 rangi       hmm we need to do something about the ajax circ stuff being slow :(
21:12 cait        yeah - also some outstanding bugs
21:14 bag         hmm yeah that's a bummer - all it does is speed up the circ time if the person hads loads of accountlines, of circs, or holds
21:14 rangi       yeah and slows it down in most other cases :(
21:15 bag         yes circ is slow
21:15 bag         ajax datatables will not help that
21:15 bag         we need pianohacker to submit his work :D
21:15 bag         go pianohacker go :)
21:16 rangi       if we could get the base case as fast as before, then it would be an overall improvement, same as before for normal circ, faster for big borrowers
21:16 rangi       and then the fully faster one for 3.18 or 3.20 depending on when it gets submitted (ie we still need to fix it for 3.16)
21:16 cait        i am not sure it was a good decision to put it in a maint release
21:16 cait        it worried me quite a bit
21:17 cait        worries
21:17 bag         rangi: hopefully for 3.18 we are able to load it all on plack
21:17 rangi       im sure it can be fixed, and yes that will help a lot
21:17 rangi       someone needs to test the patches submitted and sign off tho (cant be catalyst)
21:17 bag         yeah the thing is that you should still be able to circ - even if the table hasn't loaded?
21:17 rangi       yeah, we should be able to make that happen
21:18 bag         are you not able to do that?  in my testing of the ajax datatables - I could do things and checkout etc - just had to wait for the tables to catch up
21:18 cait        i think if everytime you have a dialog coming up
21:18 cait        no
21:18 rangi       probably IE is stupid about it too
21:19 rangi       its stupid about most things
21:19 cait        that's part of the problem, it still reloads the whole page for a lot of things
21:19 cait        because not everything is loaded by ajax, jsut the checkouts table, not error messages, warnings etc
21:19 bag         right it still loads the tables - it's only a part 1 of a part MANY :P
21:19 bag         heh
21:20 bag         so it only speeds up some parts - but there are still many parts that still need more
21:21 rangi       i think the problem is people are reporting slowdowns .. so we need to address that for 3.16.x
21:21 * cait      agrees
21:21 rangi       the not speeding everything up is fine, but the slowing things down, on somethign already slow .. something we need to deal with
21:21 bag         agreed
21:21 cait        there are comments on the blog
21:21 rangi       we need to get that person
21:22 cait        http://koha-community.org/koha-3-16-3-released/
21:22 rangi       to actually submit a bug, with the steps how to replicate
21:22 cait        and 3.16.3 is not very old yet
21:22 rangi       cos comments on a blog are pretty much useless
21:22 rangi       and i think we should disable comments
21:22 cait        agreed, just saying people notice and i also noticed similar in testing
21:22 rangi       what we need is a repeatable test case
21:22 rangi       then it can be fixed
21:23 bag         :)
21:23 bag         are you seeing reports in other places?
21:23 rangi       its only been released 6 days, id expect to see more over the next few weeks
21:24 bag         oh cool - testing patches for 3.16.3    *       9 Christopher Brannon
21:24 bag         That's rad!!!
21:24 bag         Go christopher :)
21:25 bag         cool yeah rangi and cait as you see them - ping me or kyle - we'll jump on that :)
21:25 rangi       bag: do you know who looks after the koha-na.org wiki?
21:25 cait        i think it#s really hard to report
21:25 cait        i saw it too
21:25 cait        i wrote it in my ocmments when testing the dev
21:26 cait        but how do you describe: it feels slow
21:26 rangi       there are tools to time in a browser
21:26 rangi       like firebug
21:26 cait        so you'd do a comparison with and without?
21:26 rangi       yeah
21:26 rangi       http://koha-na.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from=
21:26 rangi       its filling up with spam but i dunno who to contact
21:27 bag         rangi: I think that's nekls that is hosting that site
21:27 rangi       maybe heather then
21:27 bag         I would guess heather or ryan
21:27 bag         ryan snipes iirc
21:28 pianohacker working on it bag :)
21:28 bag         AH there he is
21:28 bag         pianohacker: ajax circ please :P
21:28 bag         :D
21:28 cait        bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox
21:29 bag         @later tell khall bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox
21:29 huginn      bag: The operation succeeded.
21:29 cait        but that's the only one i am aware of right now - i think i also added one for showing lost in checkouts - but not sure it did that before, so that might be an enh
21:29 bag         @later tell khall bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox - that's for ajax datatables
21:29 wahanui     okay, bag.
21:29 huginn      bag: The operation succeeded.
21:29 cait        khall knows - he was the one who found it worked in chromium but not in firefox
21:29 cait        something mystic about date objects
21:30 cait        he lost me there
21:30 bag         :)
21:30 bag         that is kyle :)
21:30 bag         get him a butter knife
21:30 cait        lol
21:30 bag         one of my favorite things to do - is to make cait laugh :D
21:30 bag         cait++
21:32 cait        heh i need that
21:32 cait        i failed to solve one of my asignments :(
21:32 cait        for the distance study course
21:32 cait        giving up on it for tonight
21:32 cait        good night all
21:33 cait        don't forget the meeting in half an hour ;)
21:33 bag         oh man too slow
21:33 bag         good night cait
21:33 bag         cait++
21:37 tcohen      xsl that generates xsl out of xml, is... just...
21:37 tcohen      *creepy?
22:02 rangi       hmm meeting time?
22:02 wahanui     i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
22:04 tcohen      yes
22:05 tcohen      sorry, i was busy
22:05 tcohen      shall we?
22:05 rangi       yep
22:05 tcohen      #startmeeting Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2
22:05 huginn      Meeting started Tue Sep  2 22:05:51 2014 UTC.  The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:05 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:05 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_2'
22:06 rangi       #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
22:06 tcohen      #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba
22:07 tcohen      #info agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_September_2014
22:07 tcohen      #topic RM 3.18 comments
22:08 rangi       kinda on topic
22:08 tcohen      As I said earlier, i've started pushing new features that are already on PQA queue
22:08 tcohen      heh
22:08 tcohen      yeah
22:08 rangi       there are still 2 patches that need sign off
22:08 rangi       12655 12657
22:08 rangi       for the prog/ccsr deprecation
22:08 rangi       the rest are pushed on the MM_OPAC/theme_dep
22:09 tcohen      i'll put them on my todo list for tomorrow, thanks rangi
22:10 tcohen      ok, I also mentioned that i was working to win a bet
22:10 rangi       i think after those two and a couple more days testing we should be ready to merge that
22:10 rangi       cool
22:10 tcohen      i mean, making facets get retrieved from zebra
22:10 rangi       excellent
22:10 tcohen      it is already functional
22:10 tcohen      code can be checked here https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/tree/bug_11232_facets_from_zebra
22:11 tcohen      i'm working on having unit tests for it
22:11 rangi       sweet
22:11 tcohen      not that difficult, just need time to sit and do it
22:11 tcohen      and there's a regression regarding IncludeSeeFromInSearches
22:12 tcohen      that has me writing awful stuff (i.e. xsl)
22:12 tcohen      ok, that's it, moving on
22:12 tcohen      #topic Cleanup Koha UTF-8
22:13 tcohen      Joubu, dpavlin and zeno have been working on doing things right regarding encoding handling
22:13 rangi       cool
22:13 tcohen      they made CGI use -utf8, the templates to be set to UTF8, etc
22:13 rangi       yep
22:14 tcohen      #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development
22:14 tcohen      they've set a wiki with what they've reached so far
22:14 tcohen      and it is complete now
22:14 rangi       excellent
22:14 rangi       what id do
22:14 rangi       and this might be a dumb idea
22:14 tcohen      the only missing piece is having a good framework for catching regressions
22:15 rangi       is branch master, push the utf8 stuff to master .. push the other branch up
22:15 rangi       and apply patches to both branches from now on
22:16 rangi       then if we get close to the release and realise the utf8 stuff cant go in .. you dont have to try to revert it all out, you just replace master with the other branch
22:16 rangi       because unfortunately
22:16 rangi       i dont believe developers will catch all the problems
22:17 rangi       so i would be too scared to push it to master without a way to get it back out .. if that makes sense?
22:17 tcohen      it makes sense, i'd let us go back
22:17 tcohen      on part 1, we have set a deadline to have regression tests
22:17 rangi       excellent
22:18 tcohen      gmcharlt proposed an approach and I volunteered to help him
22:18 rangi       sweet
22:18 tcohen      so, until that deadline (19/09)
22:18 tcohen      we might put your proposal on hold?
22:19 rangi       yeah i wouldnt push it until after the tests
22:19 tcohen      btw, any advise/help is welcome
22:19 tcohen      ok, moving on?
22:19 rangi       yep
22:20 tcohen      #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines
22:20 tcohen      do u have any coding guideline you'd like to add?
22:20 rangi       hmmm not off the top of my head
22:21 tcohen      ok, next
22:21 tcohen      #topic Bugs
22:21 tcohen      #info rangi mentioned bugs 12655 12657
22:22 tcohen      #info they need to get tested so we finally push the CCSR/prog deprecation
22:22 tcohen      ok, moving on
22:23 tcohen      #topic "Big stuff we are working on"
22:23 tcohen      you're working on ES, comments on that?
22:24 rangi       thats pretty much all eythian now, and he just arrived
22:24 rangi       so he might have some comments
22:24 tcohen      ok
22:24 eythian     hi
22:24 wahanui     privet, eythian
22:25 eythian     Yeah, ES is back working. Refactoring it to work with authorities at the moment
22:25 eythian     i.e. allowing them to be indexed and searched.
22:25 eythian     one of these days I'll put up a demo server for experimentation.
22:30 tcohen      #info eythian will put a demo server for people to test ES
22:30 tcohen      some day :-D
22:32 tcohen      ok, next meeting is scheduled next week same day/time
22:32 tcohen      agreed?
22:32 tcohen      we ahve a big agenda
22:33 rangi       yep, sounds good
22:34 tcohen      end meeting then
22:34 tcohen      #agreed next meeting is scheduled for next weke
22:34 tcohen      #endmeeting
22:34 huginn      Meeting ended Tue Sep  2 22:34:59 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:34 huginn      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_2.2014-09-02-22.05.html
22:34 huginn      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_2.2014-09-02-22.05.txt
22:34 huginn      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_2.2014-09-02-22.05.log.html
22:55 tcohen      #koha, please don't flood the dev meetings, that's not polite :-P
22:55 rangi       hmm?
22:56 tcohen      joking
22:58 rangi       ah :)
23:04 dcook       One of these days I'll make one..
23:30 indradg     eythian, I  almost *knew* that answer, but it's best to hear it from the horse's mouth ;-)
23:30 eythian     heh
23:31 eythian     hi papa
23:31 papa        hi there!
23:31 indradg     i do know why Vimal is looking for squeeze-dev
23:31 eythian     oh yeah?
23:33 indradg     i had requested him to check out 12815, as he is a native speaker of Malayalam (an indian language), he asked me for squeeze-dev package
23:33 indradg     he couldn't get git install to work
23:34 eythian     ah right