Time Nick Message 03:19 wizzyrea ...we really don't ask for browser and version in bug reports do we. 03:19 wizzyrea pity. 03:19 rangi its there, people dont really fill it out 03:22 pianohacker too many other fields :) 03:23 pianohacker anyway now that I've said my piece and added a smiley to defuse it I should run away again 03:23 pianohacker good night all 03:26 dcook hehe 03:26 dcook wizzyrea: Any particular one standing out to you? 03:26 * dcook is getting reasonably good at guessing IE versions 03:26 dcook Also compatibility mode 03:26 dcook "So everything's broken and you're not on IE 7? Ok, you're almost certainly in compatibility view mode." 04:10 wizzyrea heh 04:10 wizzyrea no I just had someone ask me for a comprehensive list of IE bugs in koha 04:10 wizzyrea where to even start. 04:11 dcook Oh man... 04:11 dcook Do they mean open bugs or absolutely every bug ever? 04:11 dcook I try to include "IE" or "Internet Explorer" in the title of every IE bug I do 04:11 wizzyrea "bugs currently bothering IE in recent versions" 04:11 wizzyrea it's rather not specific 04:12 dcook Hmm. Yeah, no doubt. 04:12 gmcharlt bugs currently bothering IE... 04:12 dcook tcohen has also been pushing a lot of IE patches recently as well 04:12 gmcharlt can we bother IE even MORE? 04:12 dcook hehe 04:12 dcook Yeah, I think they mean "bugs in IE currently bothering recent versions of Koha"... 04:13 dcook Well... 04:13 dcook A few of them are arguably "bugs" in Koha, which modern browsers just gloss over nowadays 04:15 dcook I think every one of my IE bugs has been pushed, except for... bug 10772 and bug 9584 04:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10772 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7 not loading reset-fonts-grids.css in staff client 04:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9584 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Remove problematic IE CSS Hacks in staff client 04:15 dcook I didn't provide a patch for the first one, and my patch for the second one was no good 04:16 dcook (and no one has raised them as issues locally so there's been no impetus to work on them anyway) 04:16 wizzyrea yeah, that's all fine. 04:16 wizzyrea hm 04:16 wizzyrea i'm looking at the latest master 04:17 wizzyrea can anyone else reproduce that the borrower name doesn't show up on the checkout screen? 04:17 wizzyrea screen inc. 04:17 dcook I could probably take a look at that sure. 04:17 dcook Which browser? 04:17 wahanui Which browser are you using? 04:17 wizzyrea firefox 04:17 * dcook is juggling about a million issues at the moment, and seems to enjoy putting more and more stuff ontop of his current list 04:18 wizzyrea I just want to know if it's me 04:18 eythian no wahanui, which browser is <reply>If it's IE, there will be trouble. 04:18 eythian no wahanui, \which browser is <reply>If it's IE, there will be trouble. 04:18 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 04:18 wizzyrea http://i.imgur.com/V4JWFlG.png 04:18 wizzyrea see how the borrower name is just () 04:18 wizzyrea both in the sidebar and next to "checking out to" 04:19 * wizzyrea tries renewing the borrower 04:19 * dcook is updating his db 04:19 wizzyrea mmm something is quite wrong I think 04:19 dcook Hmm 04:19 dcook I think it's something wrong with you, wizzyrea 04:19 wizzyrea yeah it looks that way. 04:19 dcook Mine looks ok 04:20 * wizzyrea dumps this database 04:33 wizzyrea I just totes broke up with that DB, the little jerk. 04:42 dcook hehe 04:42 dcook I have comfort food :) 04:42 dcook Oreos, BBQ shapes, and... raspberry iced tea 04:42 dcook Hmm, apparently it's actually "Ice Tea" 04:43 dcook Hmm. 04:43 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea also is never going to refer to a client as a flithy smurf in professional correspondence. Again. 04:43 wahanui OK, eythian. 04:43 * dcook wishes he knew more about the science of tastebuds... 04:48 dcook Wow...reading through the fine print on MARC21 bibliographic 300 04:48 dcook Just...wow 04:48 dcook I think my eyes might start bleeding soon 04:49 dcook "In works that are not yet complete, only the type of unit designation is recorded preceded by three spaces. (The actual number of pieces received may be recorded as temporary data enclosed in angle brackets.)" 04:49 wizzyrea lol damn you 04:50 dcook In the example, the unit designation is not preceded by three spaces either... 04:50 wizzyrea not you. 04:50 dcook I know. I'm just ranting :). 04:50 wizzyrea eythian. Because he's a smartass. ;) 04:50 dcook I also know that eythian is a smartass :p. 04:50 * eythian is not the one calling people names 04:50 dcook hehe 04:50 wizzyrea you told me to! 04:51 dcook I think that's the part where you're supposed to deny it :p 04:51 wizzyrea haha no way. 04:51 wizzyrea I totally did it. 04:51 wizzyrea it's not actually my fault that the recipient didn't notice it and forwarded it to his boss. :P 04:52 wizzyrea it's only my fault for putting it there. 04:52 wizzyrea at least it wasn't sweary. 04:52 * dcook is so intrigued beyond words 04:54 * dcook thinks LoC might've meant "succeeded" or "followed" rather than "preceded", although their example doesn't corroborate that either. 04:54 * dcook thinks LoC might just be trolling everyone everywhere forever 04:54 eythian that would sure be a surprise. 04:55 dcook You know...maybe this is like Lost... and we all did something bad in our previous life... so now we're stuck with MARC21 04:56 dcook If that's what Lost was about 04:56 dcook Actually, forget Lost. *grumbles something about worst show ever* 04:57 dcook I would love to know what a "set" is 04:57 dcook According to MARC21 04:57 eythian I have had the last half-dozen episodes sitting in my to-download queue for years now. 04:57 dcook eythian: Save yourself some pain and just don't do it 04:57 dcook Friends don't let friends watch Lost :p 04:57 eythian So far, I've not done it :) 04:58 dcook :) 04:58 eythian hmm, I do have Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome sitting at home to watch. 04:58 eythian perhaps that could be this evening's fare. 04:58 * dcook thumbs up 04:58 dcook I think this evening might be Orange is the New Black...or Orphan Black... 04:58 dcook Or one of those shows that has an O or Black in the title 04:59 eythian ooh is orphan black back again? 04:59 dcook Dunno? 04:59 dcook I actually met one of the actors from Orphan Black years ago though 04:59 dcook We're from the same home town :) 04:59 eythian oh, no. Still on break. 04:59 rangi this looks pretty awesome 04:59 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaXxVKEtlIg&feature=youtu.be 04:59 eythian cool 04:59 eythian it's a good show that 04:59 dcook Which one? 04:59 wahanui i guess Which one is that? The fixed navbar? 05:00 eythian orphan black 05:01 eythian Dead Lands looks like it could be good. 05:01 dcook Dead Lands looks intense 05:01 dcook Mmm, yeah, I hear good things about Orphan Black 05:01 dcook Such a small world... 05:01 dcook I remember seeing Tatiana Maslany in local theatre productions 05:02 dcook I was amazed when she was in Gingersnaps 2, so it's sort of a big deal that she's in Orphan Black now 05:02 eythian oh, is that who you met? 05:02 dcook Yeah, she was in an improv group with a librarian I know 05:02 eythian she is utterly amazing in OB. 05:02 eythian like, super-great. 05:02 dcook That's what I hear :) 05:02 dcook Hmm, I didn't know she had two brothers.. 05:02 dcook I've seen Daniel in some theatre too. He's pretty good. 05:03 rangi the interesting thing about the dead lands is its entirely in maori 05:03 dcook General Fools Improvisational Theatre. That was the improv group. 05:04 dcook rangi: In the cast? 05:04 rangi the language 05:04 wahanui somebody said the language was filed letter by letter word by word 05:04 dcook Sweet 05:04 eythian oh cool 05:04 rangi theres no english, ... maybe subtitles 05:04 rangi and i think the first pre colonisation set one 05:05 rangi http://www.flicks.co.nz/blog/news/why-you-should-be-excited-about-maori-action-film-the-dead-lands/ 05:05 dcook I wonder what it's distribution is going to be like 05:05 rangi it'll play all the festivals i imagine 05:05 rangi but then probably to dvd after that 05:15 dcook yo cait 05:15 dcook rangi: I might have to keep my eyes and ears out for it 05:16 eythian hi cait 05:16 * cait waves 05:17 dcook Hmm 7:17am...I guess that's a reasonable time to be awake :p 05:18 cait heh 05:18 cait not sure 05:34 * mtompset sneaks out. 05:34 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 05:36 indradg good morning #koha 05:38 dcook morning/afternoon indradg 05:39 indradg dcook: morning it is... just about 11 05:48 dcook 3:47pm, I believe ;) 05:48 dcook Huh...my local public library doesn't have "detail" pages apparently...just search results 05:48 * dcook really dislikes the software used by his local public library 05:49 dcook Such bad cataloguing as well... 05:49 dcook I do a "series" search for "the walking dead" and I get volumes 19 and 20 out of the comic series 05:50 dcook Even though I know for a fact they've catalogued 1-18 as well 06:36 dcook Noo, it can't be 4:36pm already... 06:36 * dcook thinks someone should work on the bug preventing each day from being 32 hours long. 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:41 dcook salut reiveune 06:41 reiveune salut dcook 06:42 ashimema morning 06:48 dcook heya ashimema 06:48 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .) 06:48 ashimema hows it hangin' dcook 06:52 dcook Mmm, good question 06:53 dcook Ever changing? haha 06:53 dcook How 'bout you? 06:54 cait good morning #koha 06:54 dcook heya cait 06:55 cait go home dcook :) 06:57 dcook What? It's not even 5pm yet! 06:57 dcook (It's 4:57pm...) 06:57 dcook That's 3 minutes of checking emails at least! 06:57 cait heh ok 06:59 dcook ^_^ 07:02 dcook [off] I'll never understand Australian bureaucracy. I need to fill out a government form so that one department can issue me a certificate that I can give to another department if they request it. Why put the onus on me and not just contact said department if they have need of extra info? 07:03 cait [off] maybe they can't exchange your personal data without your consent/getting active? 07:04 dcook [off] I thought about that a little bit. I hope that's the case, but I haven't seen anything stating that :/. It seems to me that the departments just don't communicate that well with each other. 07:50 ashimema the left hand never knows what the rights hands doing over here eiter dcook 07:50 ashimema morning cait. 07:50 cait morning ashimema :) 07:53 ashimema Why is it whenever you get back to a piece of code you were working on a few month before, that you just want to tear it apart and start again from scratch? 07:55 Joubu Good morning #koha 07:55 dcook ashimema: I think Australia learned it from England ;) 07:55 dcook hehe 07:55 cait morning Joubu 07:55 dcook Also good question about the tearing apart 07:55 cait ashimema: gues... don't let it lie around that long then? :P 07:55 * dcook wants to tear apart his OAI client code 07:55 dcook I was going to work on this code over the past few weeks, but been so busy... 07:56 dcook (ashimema: In my case, it's that my coding ability has improved drastically since I originally wrote that code a year or so ago) 07:56 ashimema yeah.. same issues dcook.. other things had to start taking priority.. finally getting back to stuff now and OMG, this code is aweful1 07:57 ashimema likewise I reckon. 07:57 cait which project is it? *curious* heh 07:57 ashimema The bit that's currently bugging me.. is that it's making me really want to shift a bunch of surrounding stuff into Koha namespace and do them 'nicely' before I get back to this code 07:58 ashimema it's my borrower import re-write cait.. 07:58 ashimema I see khall took the 'easy' route for a similar patch.. 07:58 ashimema but now I'm thinking all my work really isn't good enough to go into Koha:: as it's so intertwined with the C4:: members mechanicals.. 07:58 ashimema :( 07:59 dcook Yeah, I know what you mean, ashimema. I had a bunch of plans for Search, but I think I'll have to incrementally improve it 08:00 dcook Once I get a handle on all the current stuff I have... 08:00 * dcook really needs a minion 08:00 cait step by step... and noone is perfect :) 08:00 * cait hands out cookies and hugs to dcook and ashimema 08:00 dcook It'll be good when my boss is back to help lighten the load, but then I go away, and I'll have lots to catch up on when I'm back from holiday.. 08:00 dcook D'awww 08:00 * dcook hugs cait back 08:00 dcook I have oreos? Not everyone considers them to be cookies, but I'm happy to share :) 08:01 * cait loves oreos 08:01 cait it's not so long that you can get them here i think 08:01 ashimema :) 08:02 ashimema It's really hard to know where to draw the line between adding more technical debt atop old cold and when you should bite the bullet and recode something before adding an enhancement atop it. 08:02 ashimema s/cold/code 08:03 cait but we also need to be careful not to rewrite constntly, i think there needs to be a gain when doing it 08:04 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/ 08:04 ashimema What do you think of as 'a gain' though.. if it make's it drastically easier to write new enhancements..? is that enough of a gain? 08:04 * ashimema heads off to read rangi's blog post. 08:04 cait if the enh follows the rewrite i think yes 08:04 cait but not rewrite just to rewrite :) 08:07 ashimema so in your method cait.. would one do the rewrite and then base a second bug upon that re-write? 08:08 * dcook is also curious about this ^ 08:08 ashimema 'cause i've seen a number of bugs like that that never go in.. bacially because peopel are scared of the re-write part so they get blocked ;) 08:08 * dcook so far has done some rewrites and waited for them to go in 08:08 ashimema or would you do the re-write as part of the enhancement bug.. to give it a better chance of going in. 08:09 ashimema certainly.. having lots of unit tests helps with this ;) 08:09 rangi first patch should be the tests 08:09 rangi second patch should be a rewrite 08:09 rangi such that all the tests still pass 08:10 ashimema certainly.. 08:10 wahanui hmmm... certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing your attention to it. 08:10 rangi almost all of the rewrite ones are the other way round 08:10 ashimema but should the enhancement be the third patch in the same bug.. or another bug entirely ;) 08:10 rangi either is fine 08:10 wahanui i already had it that way, rangi. 08:11 dcook What about when the rewrite actually fixes something that was broken? 08:11 dcook In that case, the outcome of the test should be different 08:11 rangi yes so the test should be failing 08:11 dcook Sweeet 08:11 rangi and the patch should fix it 08:11 * dcook likes this idea 08:12 dcook I'll have to ask again when I actually get back to the search stuff.. 08:12 dcook Oh, forgot about Francois's email.. 08:13 ashimema I agree in principle.. 08:13 dcook It could be tough in some cases, me thinks, ashimema 08:13 ashimema and that's actually how I tend to go about re-writing now.. 08:14 ashimema but yeah.. my instance if I'de like to completely re-write Members.pm to be object oriented instead of functional.. 08:14 ashimema and I think a fair chunk of the subs would actually just go away.. 08:15 ashimema that would need to be a staged migration from one approach to the other.. how would you go about such a large shift? 08:15 rangi you still need to test all the functionality still works 08:15 rangi and id do it incrementally 08:16 rangi there is rarely ever a need to do an entire module in one go 08:16 ashimema yup.. would have to be incremental 08:16 rangi do a sub, then another, then another 08:17 ashimema k, i'm starting to get a bit of a map in my head for this now.. 08:17 ashimema huge amount of work in total 08:21 rangi 3.4.1 seriously 08:22 dcook ashimema: But yay for member rewrite! 08:22 dcook rangi: 3.4.1? 08:22 wahanui hmmm... 3.4.1 is http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;h=ad72f266b9a9ee9d60062f4d38f326c92acb5674;hb=03e6e5cb033edceaffef0dd693300df8fa9fb0f6 rather 08:23 * dcook goes back to doing his taxes 08:23 dcook One moment Lingua::Stem::Snowball. The next taxes. 08:23 ashimema huh? 08:23 ashimema 3.4.1 rangi? 08:23 rangi someone asking about a problem in koha 3.4.1 08:23 rangi its only 3 years old 08:24 ashimema oh.. on list somewhere I assume. 08:24 ashimema ack. 08:24 rangi yep 08:24 dcook I'm gobsmacked when I see questions floating around the internet about installing Koha 2.x 08:26 ashimema [off] I'm not gonna reply to that email.. don't think I would be able to prevent myself from sounding rude and unprofessional 08:28 ashimema [off] I'm also not a fan of RTFM questions, theres a few today. 08:53 cait Joubu: can you think of a public library with branche and nice catalog? 08:55 Joubu cait: what do you mean by "nice"? 08:56 cait looking nice :) 08:56 Joubu aix marseille has a big catalog: http://catalogue.univ-aix-marseille.fr 08:56 Joubu ha 08:56 cait true, but i need a public one 08:56 cait public library i mean 08:58 Joubu http://koha.mediathequeouestprovence.fr/ ? 09:11 dcook [off] Boo exhausting tax procedures. Yay for being classed as "low income" for the previous tax year. I wonder if I'll still be "low income" after this year's pay increase... 09:31 cait Joubu: thx! 09:33 indradg dcook: the reason people are still gung-ho about 2.x is that those were the last to run on a MSFT Windows based system 09:33 indradg expired and pirated WinXP is still around in millions 09:34 dcook Ahhhhhhhh 09:34 dcook That explains so much, indradg! 09:34 indradg plus... Linux is all commands, and it is verry tough! :P 09:34 dcook Bah, it's not that tough :p 09:35 dcook I think you could actually install Koha on Ubuntu with almost no commandline work 09:35 dcook I think you can set sources via a GUI, install the packages via the GUI... 09:35 dcook I suppose the stumbling block would be setting up Apache 09:35 dcook Which is the same stumbling block as now 09:35 indradg yep... that is not the image Linux has in large parts of Asia 09:36 dcook That's fascinating :) 09:36 dcook I don't think we've quite made it to Asia yet. I think we're mostly still Pacific Islands 09:36 dcook Well, Australia and Pacific Islands 09:36 dcook Oh, actually, maybe we have done some work in Southeast Asia.. 09:37 indradg trust me! a digital signature is a scanned image of signature 09:37 dcook O_o 09:37 dcook The world is an interesting place :) 09:37 indradg i got this from a very senior federal govt boss last month 09:37 dcook Ah, well, there's your problem ;) 09:38 dcook I was watching a show called "Utopia" last night 09:38 dcook It's a satire of Australian government 09:38 indradg lol 09:38 dcook I've worked in Canadian government, and there definitely is a disconnect between hands on reality and perceived reality the further up you go the governmental food chain 09:39 dcook Which...makes a certain amount of sense I suppose. If one spends all of one's time in boardrooms and meetings, it is likely that one is going to be out of touch. 09:39 indradg its same every where apparently... just a degree of difference in the levels of spit and polish 09:39 dcook Agreed 09:39 dcook I think that's why I love my current job 09:40 indradg @seen mtompset 09:40 huginn indradg: mtompset was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a great day, #koha. 09:40 dcook I can be hands on with Koha and metadata, but still help out with certain policy decisions 09:40 indradg dcook++ 09:40 dcook (Although policy decisions are usually DSpace rather than Koha...) 09:40 dcook Hmm? 09:40 dcook I don't know what I've done :p 09:40 dcook Other than trying to fix IE bugs :p 09:42 indradg @later tell mtompset have a look at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=31173 adds [% USE Koha %] to all existing intranet templates that did not have them 09:42 huginn indradg: The operation succeeded. 09:42 indradg @seen jcamins 09:42 huginn indradg: jcamins was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <jcamins> Likewise, you could add a test plan "try to download jquery.ime plugin using your web browser," but it's hard to see why anyone would want to do that. 09:57 jcamins You don't need to add me as a CC on bugs. 09:57 indradg @later tell jcamins I've split up the patch for bug 12815 into a 5 part patch set. Not sure, if I did it alright 09:57 huginn indradg: The operation succeeded. 09:58 indradg jcamins: wilco! 10:07 dcook Whoa, I've been at work long enough that jcamins has gone to bed and risen again :p 10:09 dcook Ooo, I can get wine delivered to my house. 10:09 dcook I think the wine store is only about a block away, but... delivery! 10:12 cait lol 10:12 cait go home. 10:17 dcook Nevar! 10:17 cait *shrug* 10:18 dcook Actually, I'm just changing addresses and stuff like that, and waiting to hear if my wife wants an escort home. 10:18 dcook As she is out and about in the city. 10:19 indradg I tried to use a sandbox, but this error hit me - http://pastebin.com/yGpEeG8j 10:19 indradg something about :fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt). 10:19 indradg Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. 10:19 indradg Cannot fall back to three-way merge. 10:20 cait which sandbox did you use? 10:20 indradg cait: biblibre 1 10:44 cait Joubu: around? 10:45 cait ah figuredit out 10:45 cait calculations... 10:46 Joubu cait: more or less 10:47 Joubu ok :) 10:48 cait Joubu: you included something for the basket groups - is that from the pdf? 10:48 cait i am still in 'ordering' 10:48 Joubu yes 10:48 cait ok 10:48 cait :) 10:51 indradg Joubu, trying to figure out the error http://pastebin.com/yGpEeG8j can you pls help ? 10:53 Joubu indradg: one of the patches does not apply against master 10:53 Joubu fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt). 10:54 Joubu indradg: try to rebase it/them and request another sandbox setup 10:54 indradg ok 11:13 ashimema i'm so happy to see people using the sandboxes outside of a conferance or other event where they're being plugged.. it's awesome Joubu, indradg 11:13 indradg ashimema: :) 11:16 Joubu ashimema: yep, I just have a look at the stats, something like 30 requests has been done in August (for BibLibre' sandboxes) 11:16 Joubu for 4 signoffs 11:17 Joubu There are 1000 lines in the table since 2013-07-12 11:27 ashimema That's fantastic Joubu.. 11:27 ashimema we're a bit behind on that.. but then I didn't get them working again at this end until recently. 11:27 ashimema but yeah.. the stats table is starting to fill up with non ptfs-europe addresses.. which is great to see.. 11:28 ashimema I always wanted to encourage people outside of just our own customer base to use them.. 11:28 ashimema to b fair.. we're struggling to get our own customer base to use them much to start with... 11:37 tcohen morning 11:40 indradg morning tcohen 11:46 cait morning tcohen :) 11:47 tcohen we need to schedule a deadline for the utf8 patches 11:47 * dcook needs to head home 11:47 tcohen hi dcook 11:47 dcook hey tcohen :) 11:48 cait go hme dcook 11:48 * ashimema is getting fed up of monitor issues with this box 11:48 ashimema still here dcook.. it's way past your home time mate 11:50 dcook I was just catching up on a few life admin things (and maybe doing a few Koha emails in between). 11:50 dcook Heading home now ;) 11:51 dcook Night all :) 11:51 cait hm 11:51 cait noone told him to take ashimema with him... 11:51 cait :) 11:52 * tcohen thinks ashimema should replace his router 11:52 cait ah good 11:52 cait for a moment i thought you had gone with dcook :) 11:53 ashimema it's not the router.. it's the dual screen issues I'm having with this system.. I've just rebooted a number of times to enable/disable bios settings. 11:53 ashimema I have dual screns again now.. 11:53 ashimema but the primary one doesn't like me still. :( 11:54 ashimema i get that horrible tearing when i drag a window accross it :( 11:54 tcohen what os? 11:54 ashimema ubuntu gnome edition. 11:54 tcohen 14.04? 11:54 ashimema 14.04 11:55 tcohen maybe its a compiz problem 11:55 ashimema I didn't think gnome used compiz? 11:55 ashimema Gallium 0.4 on AMD BONAIRE 11:56 Joubu tcohen: how do you schedule a deadline? 11:56 Joubu for the utf8 patches 11:56 cait Joubu: just a quick question- it hink currently we have freight cost on invoice level not on aqorders level - will the patch change it? i am cnfused about some of the freight comments 11:57 tcohen Joubu: we should schedule a dev meeting to take on that topic 11:57 Joubu cait: yes, I added that in the Questions/notes 11:57 cait ah ok... not quite there yet 11:57 tcohen and make sure all interested parties are present 11:57 cait and it started raining and all my papers ended on the floor in between from the wind 11:57 Joubu cait: IMO we should remove aqorders.shipment* 11:57 Joubu and use aqinvoices.shipment* 11:57 cait hm do you mean freight? 11:58 Joubu yeo 11:58 Joubu yep 11:58 cait i think we only use that currently - but there were libraries who wanted the freight ocst to be divided and the partials being added to the order lines 11:58 Joubu tcohen: who are the interested parties? :) 11:58 cait so I think i'd not hastily remove it, but be clear that currently the level is one step higher 11:59 tcohen we are the interested parties 11:59 tcohen :-D 11:59 cait i missed the interest of the party 11:59 cait which is it? 11:59 * cait has to check if she belongs to the parties 11:59 jcamins Cookies! 11:59 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 12:00 jcamins Wait, that's not the interest of the party? 12:00 * jcamins takes his noisemaker and silly hat elsewhere. 12:00 cait hi oleonard 12:00 cait heh 12:00 cait utf-8? 12:00 jcamins *My* party is about cookies. 12:00 wahanui i guess utf-8 is lovely apart from the BOMs. 12:00 tcohen heh 12:00 cait i think first we need another date for a dev meeting :) 12:00 Joubu cait: aqorders.feright is not used (and has never been used I think) 12:00 tcohen next tuesday 12:00 cait Joubu: i think it has before 3.2 maybe 12:00 oleonard Hi partgoers. 12:00 cait so if we remove some libraries might lose data -i'd rather keep it around for now 12:01 oleonard Partygoers I mean. 12:02 cait tcohen: works for me 12:02 cait i thin paola updated the wiki again, but haven't checked closely 12:03 tcohen as i see it, stakeholders are those interested in having this patches moving, and the utf8 mess cleaned soon 12:03 tcohen and also, those who have concerns about this patch series 12:03 cait it blocks other dev too 12:04 tcohen and might have something to propose/add/change 12:04 Joubu tcohen: Does someone proposed something? 12:05 tcohen i'd like to have some regression tests for this, at least for C4::Templates 12:05 tcohen but didn't seriously take the time to think of how to do it 12:05 Joubu nobody is going to write them... 12:07 Joubu Paola updated the wiki to tell "all" is working : http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Handling_UTF8_in_development&action=historysubmit&diff=13174&oldid=13153 12:07 cait :) 12:07 tcohen Joubu: we'll schedule a dev meeting for tuesday, and formally talk about it there, ok? 12:08 cait i thin we need a plan 12:08 cait it has been on the agenda a few times now 12:08 cait but it's hard to get it really moving 12:08 cait and we are getting into the second half of the cylce 12:09 * tcohen would like to have 4 more spare hours a day 12:10 ashimema just four.. I could do with another 6 at least. 12:10 tcohen i'll try to write a sample unit test for tuesday, for others to review 12:10 cait make it 10? :) 12:10 tcohen just a tiny one, to see what others think testing this should be 12:11 Joubu tcohen: I will review it, with pleasure! 12:11 tcohen *be like 12:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Bug 12176 - Remove HTML from additem.pl" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e1aaa4d589f1974ac9ec51e74367ac413a35699> 12:43 cait hm quick poll 12:43 cait what do peopel think about removing items when importing via z39.50? 12:48 oleonard At my library we would not want to import items 12:48 cait thx oleonard :) 12:49 oleonard Why do you ask cait? 12:50 cait there is a patch that will remove 952/995 from z39.50 records on import 12:50 cait bug 6681 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6681 major, P2, ---, simith.doliveira, Needs Signoff , When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links and items also get imported 12:57 tcohen cait: i'd suggest we implement a way of specifying what to remove 12:58 cait i'd like that a little better, but was not sure if i was wrong 12:58 cait i keep thinking there might be use cases where people don't want the fields to be removed, but haven't come up with one yet 12:58 tcohen the existence of those particular fields/subfields is just a consequence of a bad configuration (or not) and other requirements could arise 12:58 cait coudl you add a comment on the bug with your thoughts? 12:59 tcohen hmpf 12:59 cait don't steal my soudn words! :) 13:00 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: Testing Bug 11672, I get this error from the test" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/176 13:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11672 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable report areas in step 1 of Guided Reports 13:01 tcohen oleonard: that's ok 13:02 tcohen there is a test using bad SQL 13:02 tcohen on purpose 13:02 tcohen to check it fails 13:02 tcohen i can add a followup that catches the warning 13:03 oleonard Okay thanks 13:16 cait taxes make my brain hurt 13:17 cait Joubu++ # he deserves it all the tax thinking :) 13:20 Joubu cait: good news! 13:20 wahanui good news is it looks like it's running properly. 13:21 cait Joubu: taxes are dead and we don't have to care about them? 13:22 Joubu it's the first config: 0 0, no? 13:24 cait hm i think 1 1 - inclue include 13:24 cait or... depens if there are no taxes anymore both woudl work the same i guess :) 13:25 * cait is confused now 13:26 ashimema pants.. Sorry I missed that LDAP regression tcohen 13:26 tcohen we didn't have that code fully covered by unit tests, regressions can occur 13:27 cait dpavlin: around? :) 13:27 ashimema I should have spotted it.. it's obvious now I look at it.. but the case didn't even occure to me :( 13:27 * ashimema feels like a bad QA'er 13:28 cait ashimema: do I have to repeat the hug and cookie thing? :) 13:28 cait you are only human 13:28 ashimema lol.. i'm always in acceptance of hugs cait ;) 13:28 cait heh 13:28 tcohen ashimema: use the mocked ldap object, configured to fail, and make sure it falls back to a successful authentication (create a user you know credentials) 13:28 cait *cookie and hug* then 13:29 ashimema did dpavlin submit a bug for it yet? 13:30 cait didn't check, only get the bug mail where i am cc at work 13:31 cait ashimema: is there a trick to make bug link sin the wiki maybe? 13:32 ashimema hmm.. I could create a template to do it for you cait? 13:33 ashimema would look somthing like {{bug|12345}} in wiki markup.. and would come out as 'bug 12345' with a link on page 13:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron 13:33 ashimema haha.. silly huginn 13:34 ashimema all the template would do is translate to [[url|bug 12345]] dynamically 13:35 cait ashimema: that sounds nice :) dokuwiki can do wimilar with interwiki links, so i wondered 13:36 cait [[bug>xxxx]] in ours .) 13:40 ashimema there you go.. 13:40 ashimema {{bug|12345}} should now work.. 13:41 ashimema we could now retrospectively replace all occurences of 'Bug 12345' with the template syntax to get all to link. 13:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron 13:53 ashimema except that regeular expression don't work properly in our mediawiki.. 13:53 ashimema ffs 13:56 ashimema of course.. it's yet another bug with using mediawiki atop postgres instead of mysql 13:56 * ashimema end rant 13:57 cait but the template works nicley in preview 13:57 cait ashimema++ 13:59 ashimema Yeah.. it'll work throughout.. 13:59 ashimema we just can't easily apply it retrospectively.. 13:59 ashimema inless someone with db access wants to do it for us. ;) 14:50 khall Joubu: you may want to take a look at bug 12833 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12833 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron search no longer searches extended attributes 14:51 tcohen oleonard++ # taking the time to test patches 14:53 Joubu khall: ok, I will try tomorrow 15:17 ashimema @later tell rangi any further comments on testbuilder given yohanns comment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12603#c13. I'm inclined to leave it for now 15:17 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 15:17 huginn 04Bug 12603: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests 15:29 Joubu bye #koha! 15:35 cait bye #koha :) 16:02 vfernandes hi :) 16:02 vfernandes it's possible to migrate patrons and patrons photos using command line? 16:27 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 16:27 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.3°C (1:25 PM ART on August 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 16:28 oleonard @wunder 45701 16:28 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 28.9°C (11:50 AM EDT on August 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 16:31 tcohen ewww: http://bmayor.biblio.unc.edu.ar:7090/ 16:33 cait oh 16:33 tcohen it seems a really bad default configuration! 16:33 cait yeah 16:33 cait including passwords? 16:34 tcohen shhhh 16:36 * tcohen is happy the sru protocol doens't provide a way to write stuff.. 16:37 cait some interesting comments too 16:37 cait :P 16:39 tcohen DEAD!!! 16:40 cait yep hehe 16:40 gmcharlt oy 16:41 reiveune bye 16:42 tcohen the explain file is there just for explaining, right? 16:42 tcohen so people using SRU/SRW know how to query our Zebra server 16:43 tcohen otherwise, that 2008 dated file should've been modified the last 6 years 16:43 ashimema ack.. I dislike how allot of our unit tests are so picky about the database they are run against! 16:43 tcohen ashimema: that is changing 16:43 ashimema indeed.. 16:44 tcohen ashimema: feel positive, now :-D 16:44 gmcharlt ashimema: obey the RM! 16:44 gmcharlt ;) 16:45 ashimema I'm still up and down regarding testbuilder btw.. I kinda want someone else to weigh in.. but I do think in the particular case I'm now getting annoyed about it would have helped prevent it. 16:45 cait oleonard++ woohoo thx! 16:45 ashimema gmcharlt: not seen you in ages. how goes it? 16:45 gmcharlt ashimema: busily 16:46 ashimema I know that feeling. 16:46 tcohen same here 16:47 ashimema Hmm.. I tihnk to QA this patch I'm going to have to blow away my test database and start again.. 16:47 ashimema :'( 16:47 tcohen which one? 16:47 wahanui which one is probably that? The fixed navbar? 16:48 ashimema anyone fancy grabbing bug 11577 and running a prove on db_dependant/Circulation.t 16:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Signed Off , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature 16:48 cait i tried, fails for me after 24 16:48 ashimema I can't get the tests to actually reach his changes.. they die long before that due to db constraint failures on my test db. 16:49 ashimema fails after test 15 for me.. or rather.. dies after test 15 rather than fails. 16:51 tcohen oh, dbic needs to be updated to properly test 16:52 ashimema on your system you mean tcohen? 16:52 ashimema It's perfectly understandable that Circulation.t dies on my setup.. the line that dies makes a bunch of assumptions that simply aren't true in my test db. 16:53 ashimema either we need a definitive test db that we all test against (which I don't really like the idea of).. or we need to build all the data for every test properly on a per test run. 16:53 ashimema TestBuilder is basically exactly for that me thinks. 16:55 tcohen http://snag.gy/OPSPg.jpg 16:56 tcohen ashimema: jenkins runs on top of kohastructure + all default data chosen on web installer 16:56 ashimema looks like you forgot to run updatedatabase tcohen? 16:56 tcohen and also, you might be noticing a bug, on Koha or the tests 16:57 ashimema it adds the required auto_renew column ;) 16:57 tcohen because there is a $dbh->do('DELETE FROM issues'); 16:57 tcohen line on the first place 16:57 ashimema yeah.. Circulation.t is horrible.. it randomly mangles data into and out of the database all over the shop it seems 16:57 tcohen heh, the relevant part was that tests pass on my box 16:58 ashimema lol.. I didn't read down far enough.. 16:58 ashimema haha.. thanks. 16:58 * ashimema is happy now :) 16:58 tcohen that's why i like wrapping tests inside subtests, 16:58 tcohen with a proper rollback at the end 16:58 ashimema certainly. 16:58 wahanui certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing your attention to it. 16:59 cait tcohen: at least we are getting better :) 16:59 tcohen exactly :-D 16:59 ashimema I'm thinking I'm going to pass TestBuilder now... but may request some other QA'ers weight in too 16:59 tcohen we just need a newer libtest-more-perl, or deprecate squeeze :-P 17:00 * tcohen tries to start a flame war 17:01 ashimema haha... 17:01 ashimema My shib tests use subtests... 17:02 ashimema I take it that means they will fail on squeeze then :( 17:04 tcohen eythian will build the more recent one soon, don't worry 17:05 ashimema what is our policy on adding 'contributing institutions' ? 17:05 tcohen Sponsored-by: Institution on the patches? 17:06 ashimema this bug adds a line to about.tt with the institution that sponsored this particular bug (it's actually the second bug they've sponsored with the first one already in master) 17:06 tcohen i don't think we have a policy for that 17:07 ashimema K.. so it 'should' be ok to add it within this bug.. 17:07 ashimema I can't see any real reason why not.. just thought it worth askin in case I'de missed a policy somewhere ;) 17:07 tcohen my opinion would be that those attributions should be release-wise 17:07 tcohen that's why i'm thinking on how to refactor the about page 17:10 cait hm I think it's nice to have history 17:10 tcohen cait: me too! 17:10 cait and it's all we can offer volunteers 17:10 cait having your name there :) 17:10 cait i think it shouldn't go away with new releases - and in this case it's even a library contributing new features 17:10 tcohen i was toying with a version carousel 17:10 cait :) 17:11 jcamins tcohen: I have a page that can help you with that. 17:11 tcohen with all version + release teams 17:11 tcohen ah, eythian showed me one 17:11 jcamins http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ 17:11 tcohen :-P 17:11 tcohen not *that* kind of carousel 17:12 tcohen just a means to avoid having zillions of tabs for each version 17:13 tcohen http://snag.gy/SgGM5.jpg 17:13 tcohen ^^^^^ if I put all versions... it will grow a lot 17:15 * tcohen facepalms about Zebra's SRU explain 17:15 tcohen "Unfortunately, the data found in the CQL-to-PQF text file must be added by hand-craft into the explain section of the YAZ Frontend Server configuration file to be able to provide a suitable explain record. Too bad, but this is all extreme new alpha stuff, and a lot of work has yet to be done .." 17:16 cait tcohen: is tuesday agreed on for the dev meeting? 17:17 tcohen you need to send an email de koha-devel to be sure :-P 17:18 cait *hides* 17:39 cait tcohen: can you delegate on someone else? 17:42 ashimema ok.. properly stupid question here.. 17:43 ashimema how does the dbh->rollback call work? 17:44 ashimema This test script is full of calls to things like AddIssue.. will just a dbh->rollback at the end of the test file also roll back those actions? 17:44 ashimema and if now.. should that be a fail ? 17:49 tcohen ashimema: it rolls the db changes back 17:50 tcohen for example addissue changes 17:50 tcohen ashimema: note that AUTO_INCREMENT will keep growing even on rollback 17:50 ashimema great.. 17:51 ashimema so it works more comprehensively than I thought.. 17:51 ashimema I couldn't see anything in the script that sets the start of a transaction to rollback to.. I must have just missed that somehow. 17:52 ashimema tcohen.. you can ignore most of the last comment I make on bug 11577 then.. 17:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Passed QA , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature 17:52 ashimema :) 17:53 tcohen :) 17:53 tcohen cait: did my email hit koha-devel? 17:55 cait yep just now 17:55 oleonard-away I got a dev meeting one if that's what you mean tcohen 17:55 cait ashimema++ :) 17:55 tcohen yes, thanks oleonard 17:56 ashimema right.. think I need khall to clarify what his followup to TestBuilder achieves.. then I 'think' I'm happy passing that one too.. 18:02 cait khall_away: 18:02 * cait tries her new super power 18:02 cait khall_away 18:02 wahanui i guess khall_away is familiar with DBIx::Class too, so he probably would know what to do 18:51 oleonard Bye #koha 19:00 indradg evening #koha 19:01 indradg @seen mtompset 19:01 huginn indradg: mtompset was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 27 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a great day, #koha. 19:06 indradg hi all, I need a suggestion - bug 12815 needs TT plugin include in the intranet template i.e. [%- USE Koha -&] 19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12815 enhancement, P3, ---, indradg, Needs Signoff , Adding browser based multi-lingual jquery.ime input method support to Koha 19:07 indradg the part of the patch for the staff client *depends* on that plugin being included. How do I proceed? 19:08 jcamins indradg: you put the patch adding the [% USE Koha %] line on that bug before the patch that adds your functionality to the staff client. 19:09 jcamins indradg: actually, I just looked at your patch, and I don't see why you can't just add [% USE Koha %] at the top of doc-head-close. 19:10 jcamins In that same patch. 19:11 indradg jcamins: I can do that, but from what I saw, everywhere it was added it was inside a .tt file 19:12 jcamins Did you try just adding it to the .inc file 19:12 jcamins *? 19:12 jcamins Because I can think of no reason it wouldn't work, and adding one line to one file is preferable to adding one line to hundreds of files. 19:14 indradg jcamins: thats was what I did originally and yes that had worked 19:14 jcamins Yeah, that's fine. When you asked me before, it sounded like you were planning on adding the line to every single file, which is why I said you needed to make it a separate patch. 19:16 indradg aah 20:22 rangi @later tell ashimema yep, saw the comment, still think our own db astraction layer for testing is a step back not forwards, will promote less understanding of the db structure not more 20:22 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 20:34 andrew_ Hi. Does anybody have any idea on how to do a batch write-off of fines? 20:37 * andrew_ slaps andrew_ around a bit with a large fishbot 20:38 cait andrew_: what are you trying to do? 20:38 andrew_ We are trying to eliminate all the fines for all current patrons 20:39 andrew_ something better than manually going through and forgiving each individual fine 20:39 cait hm you could do it with sql, i think not from the staff interface currently 20:39 cait what is the reason you eliminate them? 20:39 andrew_ I've been working on doing it through sql for the past 5 hours. 20:41 andrew_ We are a school library so if books were checked out before the summer they accrued fines during the summer. We wanted to clear them and start over for the school year 20:41 cait is this a production system? or just getting started? 20:41 andrew_ This is production 20:41 cait hm ok 20:42 andrew_ The changes I have been making have been very minor and in a vm so I have sufficient backup protection should something go wrong 20:42 cait for migations i woudl have suggested deleting the lines, but htat's not very clean 20:42 andrew_ yeah. 20:42 cait another suggestion to speed things up a bit 20:43 cait write a report for the users with fines and into the report put a link to patron acount fine page 20:43 cait that way you can wlak through them faster 20:44 cait maybe you can even craft a link to the waive fines thing 20:44 andrew_ thats possible but the head librarian doesn't want to take that route. He wanted it automated if all possible. 20:44 cait i think the other thing would be to write a little program to do it 20:44 cait how many students have fines? 20:45 cait also have you thought about how to prevent for next year? 20:46 andrew_ Around 70 and no. I just got this position this year and havne't been doing much more than trying to maintain what we have 20:46 andrew_ and figure out how koha works 20:47 cait i'd suggest doing it manually - 70 is less than an hour with a report and opening the links in a tab... and so on 20:47 cait probably 20:48 cait and then for next school year, prevent fines to accrue during summer 20:48 cait there are ways to make sure hte due date falls into the new school year 20:48 andrew_ ok 20:48 cait but: if hte student hasn't returned the book yet, I am not sure, but i think the fine might accrue again over night - i'd check that 20:49 andrew_ that was one problem I ran into 20:49 cait it gets recalculated - over night or on return 20:49 andrew_ I can change all of the fines to 0 but then as soon as I manually run the script it redoes it 20:49 cait so you also need to renew I tink 20:50 cait there is also a preference that will recalculate the fne from the due date on return... that could give you trouble too 20:50 andrew_ I also figured out how to do that, but the library staff wants to know if someone still has an overdue book but just not charge fines on it. It is possible but involves manually going through and paying all the fines for that book. 20:51 andrew_ I found that when you go in koha and writeoff a fine it adds a new entry in the database that just says write off and has the amount but I havne' figured out how it knows what it is paying of because the item number is null 20:52 andrew_ and thats where I got stuck and started googling like crazy till i just came here 20:52 cait i think it will also change the amountoutstanding of the fine 20:52 cait entry 20:52 cait but that won't fix your reappearing fines problem i think 20:52 andrew_ nope 20:53 andrew_ I already tried it :) 20:53 cait hm. 20:54 cait sorry - not having a good idea right now 20:54 andrew_ oh its fine. 20:54 cait i'd suggest honestly to just waive the fines on return of the books 20:54 andrew_ ok 20:55 andrew_ I guess I just figured that there had to be someone else somewhere who wanted to forgive all fines one time but I guess not. 20:55 cait waiving fines on books the patron still has is the tricky part i think 20:55 cait without reneweing 20:55 andrew_ agreed 20:57 andrew_ Well thanks for your help. I guess I'd better go and get working on them 20:57 cait sorry to be not more helpful 20:57 andrew_ its fine. :) 21:13 WNickC just randomly, does anyone happen to know what impact, if any, opening a library as a Z39.50 source has on system performance? 21:13 ashimema time for bed.. 21:14 ashimema night #koha 21:14 WNickC I mean I suppose it depends on use 21:14 cait hm would think so 21:14 cait not sure, we haven't been asked to do that so far 21:15 WNickC just noticing that all our incoming sources are INNOPAC or HORIZON 21:15 WNickC would be nice to see us pulling from other Koha users 21:15 WNickC or maybe I am being idealistic 21:16 cait :) 21:16 wizzyrea WNickC: it's negliglble. 21:16 wizzyrea negligible* 21:16 cait hi wizzyrea - and (belated) happy birthday! 21:16 wizzyrea and yeah, depends on usage 21:16 wizzyrea :) thanks :) 21:16 cait WNickC: i think the reason we didn't get asked to is that the records are in the union catalog and that offers a z3950 21:17 cait maybe some of the bigger consortias offer z3950 to their koha systems? 21:17 wizzyrea NExpress does I think 21:17 wizzyrea we have a Crown Research Institute that offers one 21:17 WNickC oh, maybe I should ask NExpress then since we are both Bywater 21:17 wizzyrea it's made no apparent impact on the performance of the system 21:17 wizzyrea can't hurt, just email heather 21:18 WNickC we all shared a bunch of our sources at NAKUG, but none of us shared our own 21:18 wizzyrea she'll know if it's public or not. 21:18 WNickC and she'll know if Larry endorses the idea or nit 21:18 bag ha 21:18 wizzyrea Larry can be convinced 21:18 wizzyrea >.> 21:18 cait ah here is bag :) 21:18 wizzyrea hi bag. 21:18 cait i was about to suggest to ask bywater if they know of libraires with activated z39.50 :) 21:19 bag hey cait and wizzyrea 21:19 bag yeah we have quite a few that are opened up 21:19 * wizzyrea suspects bag has an alert on the word bywater 21:19 bag yup 21:19 wizzyrea bywater bywater bywater bywater 21:19 WNickC yeah, I just wnated to see if it was common or not before asking consortia and then Bywater 21:19 bag HI HI HI HI wizzyrea 21:19 wizzyrea BING BING BING BING 21:19 wizzyrea :) 21:19 wizzyrea It's early and the sun is shining! 21:20 wizzyrea well early, 9:30 21:20 wizzyrea not that early. 21:20 WNickC thanks all 21:20 wizzyrea gl WNickC 21:20 bag BTW WNickC vokal has their z3950 open 21:20 cait yay vokal 21:20 wizzyrea oh vokal I should have thought of them too. 21:20 WNickC I thought we did, but I don't think we publicize it anywhere 21:20 * wizzyrea has too many libraries stuffed into her head now 21:21 WNickC was really thinking it would be nice to have a list of open z39.50s for koha 21:21 bag yeah WNickC is from Vokal 21:21 WNickC cover=blown 21:21 bag hmm I think we may have started a list on the wiki awhile ago? not sure 21:22 WNickC I didn't see one 21:24 bag I thought it was somewhere like this page http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica 21:24 bag but I'm an wrong 21:25 bag if you want a nice list of Z3950 targets - I use this a bunch http://irspy.indexdata.com/ 21:25 magnuse bag: HI 21:25 bag magnuse: HI THERE 21:25 wahanui hi, bag 21:26 WNickC bag: yeah, I like IRSpy, just thought it would be nice to have some Koha targets specifically 21:26 WNickC like in solidarity or somthing? 21:26 bag yup 21:27 wizzyrea Could just make a wiki page 21:28 wizzyrea or add to that one but I don't see why it has to be US only 21:29 WNickC yeah, I think I might do that 21:30 bag wizzyrea: I just clicked on a link - didn't want to make it only US :) if you go back one page - it's all broken out 21:31 bag http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide 21:53 wizzyrea yeah that's probably a better place :) 21:55 wizzyrea actually I'd rather either make sure our targets are listed in irspy 21:55 wizzyrea or have our own equivalent to irspy. 21:55 wizzyrea but probably 1, nobody needs another place to look. 21:58 WNickC well, I put this there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Open_Z39.50_Sources 21:59 WNickC making web pretty, not my skillset 22:08 wizzyrea :) nice one 22:13 WNickC thx 22:43 eythian hi 22:43 wahanui niihau, eythian 23:07 eythian @later tell cait http://youtu.be/zcOhrtAFc-Y <-- things are different in Germany eh 23:07 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 23:20 eythian dcook: would enabling QueryParser cause non-advanced searches to stop working? 23:34 * dcook ponders 23:34 dcook In the OPAC or the staff client? 23:34 dcook In the OPAC, no - non-advanced searches should work 23:34 dcook In the staff client, I have noticed that non-advanced searches don't seem to work in 3.14.5 23:35 dcook Unsure if that's a bug or something broken on my end though. 23:35 dcook eythian^ 23:40 * dcook stalks gmcharlt's LJ mover and shaker page 23:40 dcook Just realized LJ could be LiveJournal or Library Journal. Hmmm 23:45 eythian dcook: this is 3.12.10 ('s ok, we're planning an upgrade RSN :) 23:46 eythian > Enabling UseQueryParser breaks all searching in opac and simple search in intra unless a field is manually specified 23:47 dcook Hmm. Could be. 23:47 dcook I noticed it seemed to break simple search in 3.14.5 in intra 23:48 dcook Although opac seemed ok 23:48 dcook But... maybe I'm imagining that about the opac 23:48 dcook I shut it down pretty fast as it wasn't working well enough 23:48 eythian Ah right 23:48 * dcook would so love people to give him some money to improve QP 23:48 eythian the issue here is that there are some advanced searches that don't work without query parser, but show up anyway (which strikes me as bad) 23:49 dcook mmm, those subject ones, eh? 23:49 eythian yeah 23:49 dcook Yeah, that drives me a bit nuts 23:49 eythian su-br and su-na etc 23:49 dcook You might notice that one of them does work 23:49 dcook su-na is nasty 23:49 dcook As it's actually defined in ccl.properties as well 23:49 dcook For a totally different purpose 23:49 eythian ick 23:49 dcook yarp 23:50 dcook I think they could work without queryparser, if ccl.properties were updated 23:50 dcook I think it's PQF.pm or something that manually adds those aliases/indexes into the QP config 23:50 dcook No idea why that's happening but could be remedied fairly easily (I think) 23:50 dcook Although that su-na thing is...just ick 23:51 eythian yeah, that needs to be renamed 23:51 dcook yep 23:56 eythian oh yeah, I have package building to do 23:58 dcook 3.14.3? 23:59 eythian yeah