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00:16 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
00:16 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
00:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #119: FIXED in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/119/
00:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #16 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
00:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #16: STILL FAILING in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/16/
01:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #1: FAILURE in 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/1/
01:19 eythian http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-the-public-library-beats-amazonfor-now-1407863714?mod=rss_Technology
03:16 eythian @wunder nzwn
03:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on August 14, 2014). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Rising).
03:16 eythian https://twitter.com/Michael_J_Parry/status/499755684515176448 -- about right
03:38 eythian what tables are authorities stored in?
03:49 wizzyrea auth_header I think - it's got the marc and marcxml
03:50 eythian yep, that ended up being it
03:50 eythian that name doesn't seem intuative to me, but maybe it's got some domain meaning
04:02 wizzyrea I thought exactly the same thing
04:45 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for francesca" (66 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159
06:29 marcelr hi #koha
06:58 ashimema Morning Koha..
06:58 ashimema marcelr: just the man i was hoping to catch
06:59 marcelr hi ashimema
06:59 ashimema How are you?
06:59 marcelr :)
06:59 ashimema I wondered if you had any hints on how to track down errors in loading xslt sheets..
07:00 marcelr xsltproc ?
07:00 wahanui xsltproc is probably calling the xslt with a wrong parameter?
07:00 ashimema this is with your latest patches..
07:00 marcelr what is the error?
07:00 ashimema one tic.. I'll dig it out..
07:02 ashimema Error while loading stylesheet xml: Could not create file parser context for file "https://fbdteststaff.koha-ptfs.co.uk/custom/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl": No such file or directory at /home/koha/kohaclone/Koha/XSLT_Handler.pm line 256.
07:03 marcelr let me have a look
07:04 ashimema It's strange.. 'cause the file is publicly accessible.. along wit hthe utils files next to it..
07:04 ashimema I'm sure it worked last time I tried with the same setup
07:04 ashimema thanks
07:09 ashimema brb.. just gotta restart this box
07:19 akafred I am unable to sign up for the general mailing list... signing up for the dev list worked... ideas?
07:22 marcelr ashimema: i copied both files to my server and ran them on two ways on a simple marc record successfully: 1) via xsltproc 2) via Koha::XSLT_Handler
07:23 marcelr i have the impression that the import statement gives a problem
07:24 marcelr somehow this reminds me of some earlier problem..
07:24 marcelr note that i changed the import statment to just href="Utils"
07:30 ashimema back
07:30 ashimema hmm..
07:31 ashimema you say you changed the '<xsl:import href="https://fbdteststaff.koha-ptfs.co.uk/custom/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl" />'
07:31 ashimema line to <xsl:import href="Utils.xsl" />
07:32 ashimema where is your 'Utils' script hosted to get it then>
07:32 gaetan_B hello
07:35 ashimema now I'm even more confused then.. :(
07:37 ashimema The error is very descriptive.. yet seems to be wrong..
07:37 ashimema 'No such file or directory'
07:37 marcelr ashimena: i copied both files to the same dir
07:37 marcelr if you replace the href by only the filename, does it work then?
07:37 ashimema ah.. did you use them directly as files rather than hosted
07:38 marcelr yes, i saw some warning about certificates; so i copied them
07:38 ashimema I'll have to move the files back into the srouce tree to switch to using just the filename.
07:38 ashimema oh.. a warning about certs?
07:38 ashimema that 'might' be what i'm looking for.
07:38 ashimema I don't get a cert warning.
07:39 marcelr i am still looking at XML:LibXML's load_xml location parameter
07:39 ashimema :)
07:41 ashimema If I remove the full url. then the error shifts to a different line in XSLT_Handler..
07:41 ashimema i.e. the one ofr loading a file rather than a location..
07:41 ashimema and that makes sense that the file doesn't exist yet.. I've not put it there
07:42 marcelr ok
07:42 marcelr the problem seems to be the load_xml line
07:42 marcelr the location could be a URL
07:43 ashimema indeed
07:43 marcelr but if the xsl from that URL still contains a import with another URL it goes wrong
07:43 ashimema i'm sure I tested that when I passed qa on the bug though..
07:43 ashimema just re-reading the comments I wrote on the bug now..
07:43 ashimema maybe I'm going mad
07:44 marcelr we could do the old way: GetURI and parse string
07:44 marcelr better would be if LibXML was corrected :)
07:44 ashimema give me a second..
07:45 ashimema I'm just gonna run the same stuff against my dev system again..
07:45 ashimema I'm sure it was working there
07:46 marcelr i have another idea too looking at the code of LibXML
07:47 marcelr URI parameter?
07:47 ashimema I'm sure I tested it.. I'm wondering if there's a differnt between the LWP modules between the two system or somthing..
07:47 ashimema just retesting on the dev server where i'm sure i had it working in this config before.
07:48 ashimema URI parameter?
07:48 marcelr of load_xml
07:48 ashimema ah.. that might do the trick..
07:48 ashimema wan't me to try on this test system in a mo.
07:49 marcelr no it does not work (tested )
07:50 marcelr with your intranetdetail in my staff xslt
07:50 marcelr same error
07:51 ashimema shame.. that would have been a nice fix
07:53 marcelr recall if there was some problem with GetURI too?
07:53 ashimema there was an issue with https with GetURI..
07:53 ashimema I had patched to fix it..
07:53 ashimema needed to use LWP useragent
07:54 ashimema else https gets would fail
07:54 ashimema but I beleive I tested it thoroughly when testig your bug to make sure https still worked without my lwp patch..
07:54 ashimema and it did.
07:54 ashimema and proved..
07:54 ashimema it still does on my dev machine
07:54 marcelr bug 12172
07:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12172 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Remote XSLT style sheets fail to fetch under https under recent LWP::Simple
07:55 ashimema does LibXML use LWP for load_xml..
07:55 ashimema I tihnk it's a version mismatch there now..
07:56 marcelr could the problem be only restricted to https in the import href ?
07:57 ashimema Pants..
07:58 ashimema with https is no longer works in my dev system either..
07:58 ashimema :(
07:58 marcelr well that is consistency at least..
07:59 marcelr could you check if import works with http
07:59 ashimema that measn my comment here http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11826#c20 is wrong :(
07:59 huginn 04Bug 11826: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving code for XSLT handling
07:59 ashimema I'm sure I tested it!
08:00 ashimema yup..
08:00 ashimema it's https that's broken..
08:00 ashimema I'm sure I tested that :(
08:00 ashimema and sure it worked
08:00 marcelr let me check that again..
08:05 marcelr ashimema: i have a import with http now failing also..
08:05 marcelr wait
08:05 marcelr this was a wrong test
08:05 ashimema sorry marcelr.. didn't mean to steal so much of your time this morning.
08:06 ashimema just wanting to make sure i've not goofed up whilst qa'ing and missed somthing.
08:07 ashimema I'm wondering if it's libxml that's changed..
08:07 ashimema as I say.. I'm sure I tested with https
08:08 marcelr hey it works with http !
08:08 marcelr it does not work with https
08:08 ashimema yeah.. works with http for me now.
08:08 ashimema just https that's failing..
08:09 ashimema as I say.. I wonder if libXML has changed.. just trying to find a changlog for it.
08:14 marcelr bug 12758
08:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12758 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , XSLT imports containing a https href in a XSLT stylesheet fail to work with LibXML's load_xml in XSLT_Handler
08:14 ashimema cheers marcelr
08:31 ashimema great.. at east we're now happy it's a reported bug (both with libxml and our use).
08:32 ashimema thanks marcelr.. I thought I was going mad
08:34 marcelr you could resolve it temporarily with import http or reading the file into a string and modifying XSLT_Handler
08:37 ashimema Yeah.. I'll see about putting up a copy on https.. just means adding a further vhost to the system just for the sheets
08:38 ashimema thanks for the help narrowing down the bug
08:40 marcelr hope to hear something from the cpan author..
08:40 ashimema yeah.. that would be the best solution.
08:55 ashimema hmm.. I think the cpan author is going to have to upstream it to the libxml2 author..
08:56 ashimema looks like load_file is just a wrapper without any pre processing going on in the cpan module.
08:56 * cait waves
08:56 ashimema Hi cait..
08:56 ashimema cait.. we found the issue with my xslt..
08:56 cait good!
08:57 ashimema it's reuslted in a new bug being opened on both our bugzilla and cpan
08:57 ashimema and I reckon it'll go up another level too..
08:57 ashimema that's a new record for me ;)
08:59 ashimema hows you?
09:04 cait overslept
09:05 cait enjoying vacation
10:56 marcelr khall
10:56 marcelr around?
10:57 khall yep!
10:57 marcelr hi khall: i would appreciate your opinion on bug 12754
10:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add XSLT action to MARC modification templates
10:57 khall will do!
10:57 marcelr great
11:41 khall marcelr: I left some feedback for you on the bug report
11:42 marcelr ok thx
11:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #17 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
12:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #17: STILL FAILING in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/17/
12:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #18 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
12:39 cait t
12:40 tcohen morning
12:41 cait morning tcohen
12:42 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:42 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 8.0°C (9:00 AM ART on August 14, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
12:43 tcohen brrr
12:49 ashimema hello
12:49 wahanui salut, ashimema
12:49 tcohen hi ashimema
12:49 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
12:50 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.0°C (1:41 PM BST on August 14, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
12:50 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:50 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8°C (2:45 PM CEST on August 14, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
12:50 ashimema How's it going tcohen..
12:50 tcohen good..
12:50 ashimema I've been having a lovely day learning angular.js..
12:50 ashimema very interesting js library..
12:51 tcohen it is awesome
12:51 tcohen we love it here
12:51 ashimema The local app I'm working on look likely to become mojolicious + Angular.js + Bootstrap
12:51 tcohen my box partner uses it
12:51 ashimema should be fun working with that set of tech.
12:51 ashimema box partner?
12:51 tcohen eh, office?
12:52 ashimema cool.. I see.
12:52 tcohen the office is divided into 4 "boxes"?
12:52 ashimema ah.. I see.
12:52 ashimema makes sense..
12:53 ashimema I love koha.. but the more I play with new technologies the more I think 'wow it would be nice if we had 'x' in koha'
12:53 ashimema we're getting there slwoly I suppose.. dbic is a big step forward.
12:53 oleonard The size of Koha makes it hard to maneuver
12:53 ashimema Yeah.. she's a heavy boat these days ;)
12:54 ashimema takes allot to turn here :)
12:54 ashimema s/here/her
12:54 ashimema still pretty amazing how far it's come over the years though.
12:58 tcohen my partner http://snag.gy/ECfqC.jpg
13:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #18: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/18/
13:01 ashimema :)
13:01 ashimema nice pic
13:14 gaetan_B someone knows which are the 100% mandatory fields in marc21 ? as in not having those fields will actually make koha crash
13:31 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:31 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
13:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #50: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB/50/
13:32 cait gaetan_B: not having a leader would probably cause problems
13:32 gaetan_B yep true
13:32 gaetan_B what about fields like 008 and 005 ?
13:33 cait maybe
13:33 cait and 990
13:33 cait or 999? the one with the bibionumber
13:33 gaetan_B 999
13:33 gaetan_B both c and d it seems
13:34 cait yep
13:34 * gaetan_B is going to try it without anything but the leader and 999c an d
13:34 cait biblionumber and biblioitemnumber
13:36 cait what are you trying to do?
13:38 gaetan_B we have a client for which all the data will be at the item level
13:38 cait ?
13:38 gaetan_B so i need the most minimal possible framework
13:38 gaetan_B yes :)
13:39 cait i'd include the 005 and 008 too i think
13:41 jcamins 005 isn't really necessary. 008 is probably a good idea, though.
14:04 saturday_sun Hi! I'm currently installing Koha 3.16 on a Debian server. Following the guide at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian, I'm stuck after installing the packages. I'm trying to load the setup page on 192.168.1.111:8080 (my servers ip on my local network), I just get the default Apache2 page (It works!). I've tried the installion on both a virtual machine and directly on hardware, ending up
14:04 saturday_sun at the same problem. I've have disabled the default page, installed MySQL and created a koha instance.
14:07 cait if you install with packages
14:08 cait the staff url will be configured in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
14:08 cait it's not necessarily 8080
14:08 cait you might want to check how the file is set up
14:10 saturday_sun it shows that intraport and opacport are set to 80, should I change one of them to 8080?
14:13 cait it probably is set up to use a sub domain
14:13 cait take a look at intreprefix and intrasuffic and domain
14:15 saturday_sun yes, I've altered domain it to "", but it makes no diffrence. intraprefix is set to "" and intrasuffix is "-intra".
14:19 saturday_sun the administration website URL, how does it look, generally? If you connect to the server over a local area network?
14:20 cait it will only make a difference for the next generated instance
14:20 cait it looks like the file tells it to look
14:21 saturday_sun ok
14:21 cait if the intrasuffix is intra
14:21 cait then it will be yourdomain-intra....
14:21 cait you can change it to 80 8080 and then leave the prefixes/suffixes empty i think
14:22 saturday_sun I'll try that
14:25 saturday_sun It worked, I can now access the setup page. Thanks alot!
14:25 cait cool, good luck
14:35 oleonard cait++ # holiday tech support
14:59 gmcharlt @quote random
14:59 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #278: "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." (added by mtompset at 03:50 AM, September 17, 2013)
15:10 thd Is there a meeting now or am I still asleep?
15:11 cait hm i think there should be one now
15:12 cait i am not really prepared for chairing
15:12 thd tcohen: Are you here for the meeting?
15:13 cait gmcharlt: could you chair?
15:13 * thd is definitely not really awake.
15:13 gmcharlt cait: not really at the moment
15:14 cait seems bad timing for the meeting
15:14 cait i can try with some help from others? :)
15:14 tcohen hi
15:14 cait hi tcohen
15:14 cait available for the meeting?
15:14 jcamins I could chair the meeting if it ended by 11:30, but that seems unlikely, so count me out.
15:14 jcamins (it is 11:14)
15:15 * gmcharlt will fire off a quite update: I will be pushing patches today for 3.16.3; will include the ajax circ work
15:15 tcohen i am
15:15 cait #startmeeting General Community IRC Meeting
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15:15 cait #topic introductions
15:15 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:15 cait please introduce yourself with #intro
15:16 cait um
15:16 cait #info
15:16 cait #info Katrin Fischer, Germany
15:16 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacionald de Cordoba
15:16 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:16 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox
15:16 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_and_14_August_2014
15:16 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina
15:16 jmsasse #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek
15:17 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
15:18 cait ok
15:18 cait are any RMaints around?
15:18 cait #topic Updates on 3.8 - 3.16
15:19 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt will be pushing patches for 3.16.3 today, to include the ajax tables on the checkout pages work
15:19 cait khall ?
15:19 tcohen gmcharlt++
15:20 cait ok
15:20 tcohen khall and fridolin have been pushing stuff this days
15:20 cait moving on then :)
15:20 tcohen so they are ready for string freeze
15:20 cait good :)
15:20 cait #topic Update on 3.18
15:21 tcohen 3.18 is moving on
15:21 tcohen QueryParser problems related to Perl 5.18 seem to have been sorted out
15:21 tcohen and Katrin created an omnibus bug for QueryParser usage blockers
15:22 * tcohen will be pushing new stuff next week
15:23 cait tcohen++
15:23 jmsasse tcohen++
15:23 cait are there any news about the utf-8 bug?
15:23 gmcharlt not at present from me :(
15:24 tcohen there aren't, unfortunately we are kind of stuck
15:24 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Handling_UTF8_in_development
15:24 gmcharlt gmcharlt--
15:24 tcohen we need dpavlin and Joubu to update on that
15:24 huginn gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
15:24 cait it looks like there are some problems noted on the wiki page still
15:24 tcohen the main problem from the RM POV is the lack of regression tests
15:24 tcohen I'd like to work on that, or even hear ideas that might help people
15:25 tcohen working on that bugs realise what needs to be done
15:25 tcohen we can talk about that in the next dev meeting
15:25 tcohen or maybe a koha-devel discussion needs to take place
15:26 cait some action item for the logs? :)
15:27 tcohen #action Tomas will drop an email on koha-devel to discuss UTF-8 related patches
15:27 cait moving on?
15:27 cait #topic Code of Conduct
15:28 cait thd has sent an email to the mailing list
15:28 thd Has anyone had a chance to look at my proposed amendments?
15:28 tcohen i haven't, sorry thd
15:28 gmcharlt nor I
15:29 cait #link http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-August/040462.html
15:29 thd http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2014-August/040462.html
15:29 cait i am sorry,me neither
15:30 tcohen thomas, which are the ammendments?
15:31 thd They are numbered 1.1 to 1.8 in the email message at the link above.
15:31 gmcharlt it's pretty clear, to me at least, that we cannot usefully discuss the amendments just now
15:31 gmcharlt not enough time
15:31 thd The integrated text is given in section 2.
15:31 * tcohen is reading
15:31 gmcharlt consequently, I propose that we dicuss on the mailing list and vote at the next meeting
15:32 thd My message states that we should be able to patch at anytime even after adoption.
15:32 thd All code has bugs, even codes of conduct.
15:32 tcohen we should have this voted for kohacon14
15:32 gmcharlt tcohen: agreed
15:32 cait so aim for the september meeting?
15:33 gmcharlt and no later
15:33 tcohen i agree we could try to have broader dsisuccion on the list
15:33 thd Next meeting is still well before discussion.
15:33 tcohen i say in advance that i agree with the ammendments and the new included text
15:34 thd Someone privately caught a spelling error.
15:34 tcohen thd: is it possible to have a patch for galen's so people easily notice the difference?
15:34 tcohen s/notice/spot/
15:34 cait ok i think moving to the list?
15:34 gmcharlt +1
15:34 tcohen +1
15:35 cait #info Voting on the Code of Conduct will take place at the September meeting, discussion to take place on the list
15:35 jmsasse +1
15:35 jwagner +1
15:35 thd ant-harassment at the end should be anti-harassment.
15:35 cait sorr,y was a bit fast there :)
15:35 cait moving on to ...
15:35 thd tcohen: Yes
15:35 cait #topic KohaCon14
15:35 tcohen thd: thanks
15:36 tcohen #info Tomas will post a preliminary schedule to the public list
15:37 cait nice!
15:37 tcohen #info People that already booked to be on kohacon14, please take the time to register. we need to have the number of atendees
15:37 cait should we also send it to other lists like code4lib?
15:37 tcohen cait: yes
15:37 * cait is registered :)
15:38 tcohen #info galen and zeno have asked to remotely speak at the conference
15:38 tcohen please make sure you registered your conference
15:38 tcohen :-D
15:39 tcohen ok, that's it
15:39 cait #topic Kohacon15
15:39 cait thx tcohen
15:40 cait so far we only have 1 application I think
15:40 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon15_Proposals
15:40 cait there is a note on zambia - but i think it's not from them
15:41 cait hm i thought we had agreed on a deadline
15:41 cait but it's not noted on the wiki page
15:41 cait does someone remember?
15:41 thd I have tried to prompt more interest on the mailing list.
15:41 thd The deadline was in my message.
15:41 cait i think we had one application from india, but it was then withdrawn
15:41 cait removed from the wiki page again
15:42 cait hm i think i found it
15:42 cait #link https://www.mail-archive.com/koha@lists.katipo.co.nz/msg11058.html
15:42 cait august 15th
15:43 gmcharlt yeah
15:43 cait that doesn't leave much time :)
15:43 cait ok, moving on?
15:43 gmcharlt yeah
15:43 cait #topic Action from last meeting
15:44 cait i think those have been done
15:44 cait #topic Set date/time for next meeting
15:44 cait suggestions?
15:44 wahanui suggestions are still there
15:45 cait September 17th maybe?
15:45 gmcharlt I suggest we raise the question on the mailnig list, actualy
15:45 cait the meeting time?
15:45 wahanui i heard the meeting time was always going to favour one section of the globe
15:45 gmcharlt given the lack of attendance yesterday, I think we have a question whether the two-part meetings actually work for folks in NZ/Aus
15:45 cait it's also vacation time currently in europe, we can see that toda
15:46 cait y
15:46 cait we shoudl keep in mind that we need to have the vote before kohacon
15:46 thd We should raise the issue on the mailing list but low attendance may have much to do with the time of year.
15:46 cait maybe we could suggest a date and discuss time on the list?
15:46 gmcharlt works for me
15:47 gmcharlt and 17 September is OK with me as a target
15:47 cait tcohen: ?
15:47 tcohen i agree
15:47 thd +1
15:47 tcohen +1
15:47 jmsasse +1
15:47 cait #agreed Next meeting is going to take place on September 17th - time to be agreeed on on the mailing list
15:47 cait hm to many eee :)
15:48 cait who is going to write to the list?
15:48 gmcharlt I will
15:48 tcohen cait: about?
15:48 cait #action gmcharlt will ask about the meeting time on the list
15:48 cait tcohen: wnated to know if the date was ok with you :)
15:48 cait anything else people want to add?
15:48 cait before I close the meeting?
15:49 cait #endmeeting
15:49 huginn Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 15:49:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:49 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_community_irc_meeting.2014-08-14-15.15.html
15:49 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_community_irc_meeting.2014-08-14-15.15.txt
15:49 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_community_irc_meeting.2014-08-14-15.15.log.html
15:49 jmsasse cait: Thanks for chairing:)
15:50 tcohen cait++
15:50 jmsasse cait++
15:50 cait minutes are on the wiki page
15:50 gmcharlt cait++
15:50 thd cait++
15:51 thd cait++ #Despite your not prepared statement.
15:53 tcohen she's always prepared
15:53 cait not really
15:53 * thd prepares to have more sleep before meeting the bright lights at the dentist's again.
15:53 cait ew
15:54 tcohen #koha, does this read ok?
15:54 tcohen $s_userid = $session->param('id') // '';
15:54 tcohen C4::Context::set_userenv(
15:54 tcohen $session->param('number'), $s_userid,
15:55 tcohen what is the point of setting '' as the userid?
15:56 thd Does it avoid a possible undefined error later?
15:56 tcohen from my pov, it is hiding another problem
15:56 tcohen thd: you're right
16:22 gaetan_B bye !
16:28 gorfeas hello
16:28 wahanui que tal, gorfeas
16:28 gorfeas hola buenas
16:28 gorfeas mi primera instalacion de koha, no consigo activar otros idiomas
16:28 gorfeas (should I write in english?)
16:30 cait hi gorfeas - we have some spanish speakers, but mostly this is an english channel
16:30 gorfeas hello newbie here, I need some help activating other languages under, system preferances-i18n
16:30 cait whahanui is a chat bot - sometimes he chooses a spanish greeting :)
16:31 gorfeas i only see english
16:31 cait how did you install Koha?
16:31 gorfeas easy koha live dvd (ubuntu)
16:31 cait oh
16:32 cait I am not sure then
16:32 cait additional languages?
16:32 cait ec
16:32 gorfeas i can see al;l thr po files in the folders but not in the preferances
16:32 cait yes
16:32 cait you have to run a command to install a lanugage first
16:32 cait the command will be a bit different depending on how koha was installed
16:33 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
16:33 cait i'd start assuming you got a packages installation
16:33 cait but i am not sure about the live cd really - do you have a link?
16:36 oleonard mbeaulieu around?
17:40 koha hello
17:40 koha uim lkookin
17:41 koha im looking for a web instaler for koha
17:41 koha but i dont know where i can find it
17:45 oleonard What do you mean "a web installer?"
17:45 koha yes.. sorry
17:46 oleonard You can download Koha at http://koha-community.org/
17:46 koha ok... let me explain
17:47 koha im migrating from WinIsis to Koha
17:48 koha i downloaded koha live dvd
17:48 koha to test it
17:48 koha ok_
17:48 koha ok?
17:52 koha is anyone out there_
17:52 koha ?
17:52 wnickc ok, you got the live dvd, then what?
17:52 koha ty
17:53 koha i did everything
17:54 koha and everything went great
17:55 koha i succesfully migrate WinIsis
17:57 koha i work in a library whit 16000 records
17:57 wnickc ok so far
17:58 koha and for testing koha I installed on a pc
17:58 koha sorry if my english is not perfect
17:58 koha but i speak spanish
17:59 koha so...
17:59 koha i need to put it online
17:59 koha and i dont know how to
18:00 koha i create an .ISO with remastersys on Ubuntu
18:01 koha but i need to install it on a hosting
18:01 koha in this library we dont have a server
18:02 koha but we can rent a host
18:02 koha so... what can i do?
18:02 cait koha: you will need a root server and I would install koha there from scratch
18:02 cait the live dvds are not for production use
18:02 cait packages?
18:02 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
18:03 cait this is the easiest way to install koha, but you will need to rent a root server for koha, where you have root access to the command line
18:04 bgkriegel ^^ lo que dice cait es lo que necesitas!!
18:04 bgkriegel hi cait :)
18:04 cait hi bgkriegel :)
18:05 cait this what cait says are the necessities?
18:05 cait or something like that?
18:05 bgkriegel something like that, yeah :)
18:06 bgkriegel what cait said is what you need
18:06 bgkriegel :)
18:06 cait :)
18:06 koha lol
18:06 koha ok
18:07 koha we can learn some spanish too
18:07 bgkriegel por supuesto!
18:07 cait of course!
18:07 koha so... i will lose everything i did?
18:07 cait koha: you can reuse the db if oyu want
18:08 koha settings, configuration?
18:08 cait with the confiugration and migrated data if you imported
18:08 bgkriegel it's all in database
18:08 koha i can install koha from scratch
18:09 koha but how can I import all those settings?
18:09 tcohen koha: install from scratch, populate the DB
18:09 tcohen with a dump from the old one
18:10 koha populate?
18:10 koha dump?
18:10 wahanui hmmm... dump is too new - not too old
18:10 oleonard Hush, wahanui
18:10 wahanui oleonard: what?
18:10 cait koha: you can export the database from your existing installation and import htat in the installation on the server
18:10 cait the tool you want is mysqldump
18:11 koha sure... I can do that
18:11 koha but settings and everything else?
18:11 cait it's all in the DB
18:12 koha everything?
18:12 wahanui i guess everything is grilled
18:12 tcohen db config isn't
18:13 koha i didnt knew that
18:13 tcohen also apache config will need to be adjusted
18:13 koha i think its just records and items
18:13 cait records, items, circulation rules, patrons...
18:13 cait not the apache config and not the db config... but everything you set inside koha basically is
18:13 koha for real?
18:14 cait no, we are joking ;)
18:14 cait for real - moving the db is fine, people do it for moving from one server to another too
18:15 tcohen koha: what you mean by real?
18:15 koha and I wont lose anything
18:16 tcohen koha, have you tweaked your zebra / koha / apache config files somehow?
18:16 koha im asking again because its a lot
18:17 koha i dont think so
18:17 tcohen koha: si no tocaste ningun archivo especialmente, vas a andar bien
18:18 koha not on purpose
18:18 koha tcohen
18:18 tcohen hace un dump de la base, instala koha usando paquetes, crea la instancia e importale la base dentro
18:18 koha hablas espanol?
18:18 tcohen acordate de correr koha-upgrade-schema <nombre de instancia>
18:19 tcohen koha: alguna duda?
18:19 koha si... muchas
18:19 bgkriegel jeje, es lo normal
18:19 bgkriegel :)
18:20 koha no quiero perder toda la configuracion
18:20 tcohen a que le llamas 'toda la configuracion'?
18:20 tcohen parametros configurados en Koha usando las pantallas administrativas?
18:21 koha lo que viene en preferencias del sistema
18:21 tcohen no problem
18:21 bgkriegel todo ello está en la base de datos
18:21 tcohen una cosa que tenes que tener en cuenta para quedarte tranquilo:
18:21 koha toda la configuracion del OPAC
18:21 tcohen que instales un Koha nuevo y pruebes la base alli, no significa que borres lo que tienes actualmente
18:21 bgkriegel koha: has personalizado el opac?
18:22 tcohen por supuesto que deberÃas hacer la prueba, comparar resultados, y eventualmente decidir que esta suficientemente bien como para abandonar la primera instalacion
18:23 koha tengo el OPAC personalizado
18:23 koha claro
18:23 koha ya tengo todos los respaldos posibles
18:23 koha ya los tengo en disco compacto
18:23 tcohen koha: personalizado == modificado los templates?
18:23 koha y en todos los lugares posibles
18:23 tcohen o solo CSS y preferencias?
18:24 koha personalizado == apariencia
18:24 tcohen koha: hay varias formas de hacer eso, dependiendo lo que hayas hecho, la respuesta
18:25 * tcohen would pay an asado to anyone that rewrites C4::Auth before kohacon14
18:25 bgkriegel hehe
18:26 tcohen i mean, best asado ever
18:26 koha jeje
18:26 jcamins tcohen: all kobe beef and wild pheasant and... I'd say Cordoban wine, but that probably goes without saying?
18:27 tcohen jcamins: we prefer wine from Mendoza or San Juan
18:27 tcohen best wine i can afford, included
18:27 bgkriegel Cordoba's wine.. Pfff, no, Mendoza!!
18:27 koha ok
18:28 koha vamos desde el principio
18:28 tcohen koha: hace la prueba, en un servidor nuevo / maquina virtual
18:28 jcamins tcohen: huh. I did not know that.
18:28 koha necesito un inslatador web
18:28 tcohen y fijate que tendras que hacer
18:28 tcohen para volver a lo que tenias
18:28 koha instalador web
18:28 koha eso existe?
18:28 tcohen no
18:28 koha como lo instalo en un host rentado
18:28 koha ?
18:28 tcohen ningun software tiene instalador web
18:29 tcohen necesitas acceso a la terminal en el servidor rentado
18:29 bgkriegel koha: utilizando una shell remota
18:29 tcohen contrata un servidor Ubuntu en linode
18:29 koha es que eso es exactamente lo que yo digo
18:30 koha pero los benditos informaticos no me entienden
18:30 koha porque nunca han usado koha
18:30 tcohen ah
18:30 tcohen deciles esto: Koha es un software que viene empaquetado para Debian/Ubuntu
18:31 tcohen basta con un servidor Ubuntu LTS con acceso a la terminal remota
18:31 koha me dicen que tiene que existir un instalador web
18:31 tcohen preguntales "Que es un instalador web?"
18:32 tcohen jcamins: i like this one http://www.fincalasmoras.com.ar/productos/moranegra.html
18:32 koha ellos piensan que funciona como un programa de Windows que se le da siguiente muchas veces
18:32 tcohen that's the one we opened when we knew Manuel was coming
18:32 tcohen koha: es bastante asi realmente
18:33 tcohen pero lo mejor es que los pongas a ellos a hablar con nosotros
18:33 tcohen de otra forma no podemos ayudarte
18:33 tcohen ya que tus informaticos imponen condiciones que habria que revisar/discutir
18:33 * jcamins looks to see if it's available.
18:34 koha perfecto... dejame ver si estan ac[a cerca
18:34 tcohen jcamins: come to kohacon14, i'll be glad to open a couple of those
18:35 jcamins :)
18:35 * jcamins would love to!
18:36 tcohen bye everyone
18:36 bgkriegel bye
18:37 wnickc tcohen++ cait++ bgkriegel++ you guys are the most helpful people
18:39 koha ty all
18:40 koha im going to keep trying
19:51 Mahdi hi i installed koha 3.16 on debian 7.0 using the instructions available here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.x_on_Debian_Squeeze
19:51 Mahdi specifically i followed the instructions for the current stable version
19:51 Mahdi however i know have encoutnered a bug that has been fixed
19:51 Mahdi is there anyway i can apply the patch myself?
19:51 Mahdi this is the bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12243
19:51 huginn 04Bug 12243: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Records with invalid ISBNs can cause searches to fail
20:44 wnickc shhh
20:49 jmsasse This is insane. That cat is playing Chopsticks WITH chopsticks.
20:50 wnickc lol
22:05 Mahdi_ hi i'm using 3.16.02.000 on a debian 7 box. i am getting an error message very similar to bug 12243, it happens when I am searching for new records using the z39.50 search
22:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12243 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Records with invalid ISBNs can cause searches to fail
22:06 Mahdi_ the error message i'm getting is the same as this bug's, however looking at the source code on my box, I have the bug fix already there
22:06 Mahdi_ any ideas?
22:06 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
22:08 Mahdi_ although the line that is causing the error "can't call method 'as_string' on an undefined value" contains this code
22:08 Mahdi_ $string = $isbn->as_string( [] );
22:09 Mahdi_ so maybe it's a different error than the bug which was fixing a similar error a few lines about
22:09 Mahdi_ a few lines above*
22:09 pianohacker Mahdi_: under what circumstances do you get the bug?
22:09 wahanui the bug is, like, it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
22:10 Mahdi_ I am searching for records using the "new from z39.50" search
22:10 Mahdi_ and i enter a search of books with the author name "Khomeini"
22:10 Mahdi_ when I click the next page to go to the 2nd page of books
22:10 Mahdi_ i encounter the error
22:10 Mahdi_ i guess there is a record there that has some problem with it's ISBN
22:12 pianohacker that's odd, that code shouldn't trigger that bug...
22:18 Mahdi_ OK I just changed the code to populate the variable as an empty string instead
22:18 Mahdi_ and it fixed the issue
22:33 tcohen hi
22:33 wahanui kia ora, tcohen
22:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
22:33 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 14.0°C (7:00 PM ART on August 14, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:33 eythian hi
22:34 tcohen eythian: are you familiar with mariadb deployments?
22:34 eythian sorta
22:34 eythian I've never adminned one, but we do use it here
22:34 tcohen i've set a node for jenkins with mariadb
22:34 tcohen i chose 10.0
22:34 eythian I've encountered no issues at all with it
22:34 tcohen but there's also 10.1
22:34 tcohen i'm not sure which we should test on
22:37 eythian I dunno, probably the most recent that's in whatever distro you're running on the machine
22:37 eythian I don't imagine there'll be huge differences between them
22:44 * tcohen recalls Koha doesn't work properly with MySQL 5.6
22:45 tcohen does debian ship it?
22:45 eythian oh yeah, that's right, there was something funny with that.
22:46 tcohen it doens't like password to be sent from command line
22:46 eythian wheezy is 5.5.38
22:46 tcohen it seems it doesn't ship mariadb
22:46 eythian 5.6 is only in experimental
22:46 tcohen just mysql
22:47 eythian yeah
22:47 tcohen yes, not even 14.04 ships 5.6
22:47 eythian mariadb is in 14.04
22:53 tcohen oh, you're right?
22:53 tcohen s/?/!/
22:54 tcohen its in universe
22:54 eythian yeah
22:54 eythian which is a little dubious, but they're probably keen to only support one mysql-like thing at a time
22:54 tcohen hmm, i searched on 12.04 only, because is the one similar to wheeze
22:55 tcohen ok, we are now testing on MariaDB 10.1
22:55 tcohen 10.0
22:56 tcohen no problems spotted for now
22:59 eythian cool
23:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12659:Fixing mispelling of the word receive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6b1b3cb813f74944f2d04ea3ac063d06ad87983> / Bug 12749 - Better translatability for list module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bae37b0a72079f6e29bbd4ee7ead96eaee90acd4>
23:15 eythian tcohen: actually, something we have seen with mariadb is logs like this: Mar 7 21:00:18 mariadb-server mysqld: 140307 21:00:18 [Warning] Aborted connection 70245 to db: 'koha_someone' user: 'koha_someone' host: 'somekohaserver.catalyst.net.nz' (Unknown error)
23:15 eythian I'd be interested to see if you see that too
23:16 tcohen i might move my dev setup to mariadb to see if I spot something
23:16 tcohen sounds familiar to the problem we have with squeeze's dbic
23:21 rangi tcohen: if you have a chance the koha_3.14.x job (or workspaces) seems busted (or the 3.14.x branch maybe)
23:21 rangi who is 3.14.x rmaint?
23:21 tcohen firdo
23:21 tcohen frido
23:21 tcohen i'll take a look
23:22 rangi thanks
23:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12673: (followup) fix Supplemental issue too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=388f9d235f9ed3552de73c1cd00446443042098f> / Bug 12673: Followup - fix display in serials-edit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ffe00c56dee71f36806b0f55d6f74fa4162e559>
23:23 rangi i dont quite understand the message
23:23 rangi something to do with cant find source
23:23 tcohen it was my mistake
23:24 tcohen I added several dirs on the master task
23:24 tcohen and there is one that is missing in 3.14
23:24 rangi ahhh
23:24 rangi well thats good :) better than the branch being broken :)
23:25 tcohen Cannot detect source of 't/db_dependent/Holds'
23:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12621: Z39.50-targets - Record type is untranslatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d070c5496671e15be522dbdce015eb66c91def1d>
23:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8938: Transport cost matrix script and template contain untranslatable strings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83e9a8e73b868e75f67575a61a6604ef43bbb06b>
23:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #114: UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/114/
23:59 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 12749 - Better translatability for list module
23:59 jenkins_koha * Natalie Bennison: Bug 12659:Fixing mispelling of the word receive
23:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12749 trivial, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Better translatability for list module