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23:53 dcook I use open source at home... :(
23:52 dcook All the more reason to use open source :p
23:52 pianohacker we're far too polite to kick you out, but we'll give you very meaningful looks
23:52 nengard yeah ... what the heck is going on here??
23:52 pianohacker what are you talking about in an open source channel >:(
23:51 * dcook thinks this isn't going to happen
23:51 dcook Right...so I need a Microsoft Account just to install some software onto Windows 8.1...
23:49 dcook I love that Microsoft have a Windows app for troubleshooting issues with Windows...
23:25 * dcook was wondering what all this grabbing and hiding was about :p
23:24 eythian g'day papa
23:18 nengard hey #koha if anyoen wants to read the rough notes from the users group meeting today you are welcome - they are at: http://goo.gl/I62TGm
23:17 bag we’ll probably leave here in about 45
23:17 nengard carmen has the new mac so her charger won't work on my old one :(
23:16 nengard but I think I'm okay
23:16 nengard If my battery dies before you return here I'll head back out to get it :)
23:16 nengard thank you both!!
23:16 bag Kyle just grabbed it YO
23:16 nengard front of the room
23:16 bag one sec
23:15 bag nengard: power cable?
23:15 nengard we wanted to work quietly
23:15 nengard at the hotel with dani, rocio, carmen and todd
23:15 bag nengard: where are you?
23:15 bag pianohacker: no hiding behind me :) I trust your judgement
23:14 * dcook ponders
22:49 pianohacker heheheh
22:49 pianohacker I mean, MARC proper doesn't even require numeric field numbers
22:49 rangi a cascading vortex of horror of indicators
22:49 rangi probably in RDA you can
22:48 pianohacker eythian: yeah, that's the main question
22:48 eythian (i.e. the MARC file format, I don't know if MARC21 or something ever actually does.)
22:48 eythian pianohacker: according to the MARC standard, yes.
22:47 pianohacker *have indicators that are something besides a number or blank?
22:46 pianohacker marc question; is it possible to ha
22:41 LordOfDuh Gotta run and talk with people face to face. Later!
22:39 * pianohacker hides behind his "talk to my boss" mask
22:39 pianohacker Yup
22:39 eythian when we have a nice ajax type API, then that sort of thing will become a lot more possible
22:39 LordOfDuh So you'll do it! Yay!
22:38 pianohacker LordOfDuh: Ah, yeah. That kind of cross-module scripting would be rather tricky
22:38 pianohacker I have export/import functionality on the list, don't worry :)
22:38 pianohacker WNickC_: In browser
22:37 LordOfDuh Seriously, though, when we pull holds that have been sitting too long, we have to search for the item, pull up the patron, write a note in the patron messages that they didn't pick up the item, then cancel the hold, and then check it in to trigger the next hold. It would be great if you have a repetitive group of tasks that you do over and over, if you could do it like a macro. :)
22:37 pianohacker woot woot
22:35 bag we demo’d your rancor today
22:35 WNickC_ pianohacker: are they stored in browser? or actually on the system
22:35 bag what’s up man
22:35 bag yo pianohacker
22:34 pianohacker I'd like to have some sort of shared macro functionality, but that's down the line
22:34 WNickC_ yay! you read our minds!
22:34 pianohacker LordOfDuh: of course ;) what specific areas, though?
22:33 pianohacker hi, WNickC_. The macros already are limited; they're stored per-user
22:33 LordOfDuh ;)
22:33 LordOfDuh pianohacker can you do that next?
22:33 LordOfDuh I would just like macros for several tasks in Koha staff in general.
22:32 jmsasse quit
22:32 WNickC_ someone suggested today it would be nice of the macros were like authorized values and could be liimited as to who sees them
22:32 pianohacker http://paste.koha-community.org/122
22:32 pianohacker yup, for the new editor
22:32 LordOfDuh Macros for cataloging?
22:31 pianohacker I'm writing a macro language!
22:30 LordOfDuh ah. Duh. ;)
22:30 wizzyrea pianohacker, what amazing code are you writing right now?
22:30 wizzyrea that's the wrong question.
22:30 LordOfDuh pianohacker, are you writing any amazing code?
22:29 pianohacker hi LordOfDuh
22:26 LordOfDuh Now I don't like yogurt. Thanks bag.
22:23 wizzyrea :)
22:23 cait yes yes... i know
22:22 wizzyrea cait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G17wQR3DL0
22:21 LordOfDuh I think we should remove scanning from inventory
22:21 cait now i want yoghurt
22:21 * cait waves
22:17 LordOfDuh :)
22:17 wizzyrea well hi :)
22:17 LordOfDuh Brannon
22:17 cait danone?
22:17 wizzyrea Dannon
22:17 * cait is still confused
22:17 wizzyrea hrmph.
22:16 LordOfDuh There we go...a better fitting name
22:16 wizzyrea http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgn6chbBdF1qa6j6co1_500.gif
22:15 bag lightbulb !!!!
22:15 bag yeah wizzyrea think company name
22:15 wizzyrea OH WAIT.
22:15 wahanui hola, eythian
22:15 eythian hi
22:15 wizzyrea the only yogurt I can think of is peaches and cream.
22:14 cait and i was relying on you to figure out the riddle :)
22:14 cait wizzyrea: i think now he got you distracted
22:14 LordOfKoha Hi pianohacker!
22:14 wizzyrea hafthor bjornsson is who he looks like.
22:13 bag !!!!
22:13 wizzyrea OH NO you've just crossed a line there bag.
22:13 bag oh even better - wizzyrea your husband looks like a MLB baseball player
22:12 wizzyrea lol, obtuse is just obtuse >.>
22:12 bag wizzyrea: that’s the best dig I could come up with
22:12 wizzyrea hehe yes he does.
22:12 LordOfKoha I could call bag a bot.
22:12 bag well your husband has an excellent radio voice wizzyrea
22:12 * wizzyrea guesses it's not Richard Peachesncream
22:12 bag ouch wizzyrea
22:12 bag obtuse!!!
22:11 wizzyrea Name of a yogurt? now you're just being obtuse
22:10 LordOfKoha I'm being ratted out!
22:10 bag you are on your own now
22:10 * cait can't sleep with you all talking in here :P
22:10 bag that’s the last one
22:10 bag last night is the name of a yogurt
22:10 LordOfKoha :)
22:10 wizzyrea nope. Nuthin.
22:09 wizzyrea ummmmm
22:09 bag CIN
22:09 bag wizzyrea: I’ll give you a hint
22:08 wizzyrea ok now I have to know who you are >.>
22:08 LordOfKoha I can't keep this place straight!
22:08 wizzyrea ^.^
22:08 LordOfKoha sorry
22:08 LordOfKoha hahaha
22:08 LordOfKoha Liz, you're not a bot!
22:07 wizzyrea err
22:07 LordOfKoha Great, a bot hug
22:03 * pianohacker blinks
22:02 wizzyrea i hope that's not weird.
22:02 * wizzyrea hugs LordOfKoha
22:02 bag LordOfKoha++
22:01 LordOfKoha I need a hug. Was just FORCED to do a presentation on Sandboxes with NO PREP!
22:01 bag will try cait
22:01 cait i always find that very helpful
22:01 cait bag: could you encourage them to write up how they test/what they test?
22:01 * wizzyrea pats bag
22:01 wizzyrea ;)
22:01 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
22:01 bag bag--
22:01 bag “don’t over react “ I guess /me just uses that as common speak
22:01 wizzyrea I'm ok with being accused of over-reacting - but it's more that I'm emphatic.
22:01 cait it's midnight here :)
22:00 * cait just turned into a pumkin
22:00 bag night night cait
22:00 cait time for sleep
22:00 cait oh
22:00 wahanui somebody said now was good time with holidays coming up
22:00 cait rangi: where now?
22:00 bag HA rangi I wasn’t accusing you - I was accusing everyone - don’t think I picked on just you
22:00 cait i have trouble with the vocabulary in german already!
21:59 cait the problem might be understanding her in english :)
21:59 rangi thats the 2nd time this week ive been accused of over reacting
21:59 bag cait ANYTIME!!!!
21:59 bag goal tomorrow is to get everyone into the computer lab here and go at it
21:59 rangi cait: you could always ask sonja (bag's wife) to help with math :)
21:59 bag yeah don’t over react about the notes - those are from nicole - but she’s in the middle of talking at the same time - we’ll clean the notes up in a bit :)
21:58 bag just finished demoing sandboxes and now we’re going around helping set up people with a nice sign-off system
21:58 cait not sure it has been mentioned - but the dashboard is missing from the notes
21:58 rangi sweet
21:58 bag the notes aren’t totally reflecting the actual conversation that is happening
21:57 bag yeah no worries rangi - we are pushing sign-offs here
21:57 cait it's encryption algorithms
21:57 rangi only if its not combinatorics
21:57 cait i can do more qa that way :P
21:57 cait rangi: does it mean you are going to do my math homework for me now?
21:56 wizzyrea (we knew that)
21:56 cait lol
21:56 rangi im a math genius :)
21:56 rangi problem solved
21:56 rangi holy crap thats 600
21:56 rangi 1 each a year
21:56 rangi how many NA libraries .. 600 or so?
21:55 wizzyrea also reducing scope creep would be good.
21:54 rangi wizzyrea: what you said
21:54 cait ah thx
21:53 rangi you could also use relax
21:53 wizzyrea but that means we need more people willing to sign off, not more people to QA
21:53 cait cool :)
21:53 rangi cait: yep you can use lessen in that way
21:53 rangi pianohacker: its https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CSQMS_XbZVeA2IaniTQf_edqQaB4CJ6Ajk97MTWdU18/edit (from the NAKUG meeting)
21:53 wizzyrea (and testing the same things over and over is tiresome, for sure)
21:53 cait lessen right word there?
21:53 cait yeah, overall, we need more hands, but can't lessen quality control
21:52 rangi thats where the problem is imho
21:52 rangi a few people are shouldering most of hte signoffs
21:52 wizzyrea until it's a good solution.
21:52 wizzyrea bad solutions = qa kicks it out.
21:52 wizzyrea but people need to understand that dynamic.
21:51 cait but it's good, of course they should
21:51 rangi marc has done 88
21:51 cait wizzyrea: i can promise it's not fun... because those bugs keep coming back at you! like zombies heh
21:51 rangi bernardo has done 115 signoffs
21:51 wizzyrea and that's OK!!
21:51 wizzyrea because you want quality, things get kicked out.
21:51 wizzyrea ^ I think this is why people see QA as a bottleneck.
21:51 cait it takes a lot of time to come back to a bug again and again, so more eyes before it hits qa could also help that
21:51 rangi the fact is
21:50 cait and need to be redone
21:50 rangi yep
21:50 cait less things get failed
21:50 rangi yep
21:50 cait also - more sign offs, more testing... faster qa
21:50 rangi qa is not, and hasnt been for a few years, where the bottle neck is
21:50 cait just went up a bit, will go down again
21:50 rangi yeah
21:50 rangi from NAKUG
21:50 cait it also was down to 30 last week or so
21:49 pianohacker where is this from?
21:49 * cait agrees
21:49 rangi id edit the doc, but it wont let me
21:49 rangi its initial sign off
21:49 rangi the bottle neck is not qa
21:49 rangi 187!!! waiting for sign off
21:49 rangi there are only 54 patches at signed off
21:48 rangi check the numbers
21:48 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise
21:48 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
21:48 rangi and there is a logical fallacy here
21:48 rangi https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CSQMS_XbZVeA2IaniTQf_edqQaB4CJ6Ajk97MTWdU18/edit
21:48 rangi im reading this
21:47 wizzyrea ...cascading vortex or horror is not a phrase that was previously in my vocabulary but I am glad that it is now.
21:46 pianohacker I really was not expecting that in an academic style paper
21:43 rangi https://twitter.com/karencoyle/status/497072124540907520
21:43 rangi hehe
21:25 cait :)
21:25 jmsasse cait: yes:)
21:23 cait jmsasse: having fun at nakug?
21:22 huginn cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters
21:22 cait @seen ashimema
21:22 jmsasse cait: I'm good, thank you.
21:10 mario hey all
21:09 bag mario:
21:09 mario bag:
21:08 cait jmsasse: good, how are you?
21:08 LordOfKoha naug?
21:07 wahanui well, ByWater is a great place to work!
21:07 LordOfKoha ByWater?
21:06 jmsasse Hi cait. Wie geht's heute? :)
21:05 rangi after https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/10374977936/
21:05 rangi before https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/10375159583/
21:04 cait hehe
21:04 cait ew
21:04 rangi heh
21:04 bag ;)
21:04 bag oh man rangi the second picture is your leg
21:03 rangi if you collect them and bring them to kohacon that would be sweet!
21:03 bag heya cait
21:02 carmenh hi cait
21:02 * bag or maybe I’ll just collect them for you
21:02 * cait waves
21:02 bag hey rangi - can you email me your mailing address? I’ll announce it here so peeps can send you library cards
21:02 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/14000457698/ <-- to go here
21:02 bag oh nice
21:02 rangi can someone grab library cards for me
21:01 bag and let’s all thank NCRL for having us :)
21:01 rangi also
21:01 bag or maybe you can have chad talk about that
21:01 bag oh nengard bring up the newsletter too
21:00 rangi :)
21:00 jmsasse rangi glad to here you are no longer blocking all betas:)
21:00 wahanui well, zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
21:00 bag zebra?
20:58 bag nengard:
20:58 bag nengard:
20:58 carmenh you know it rangi!!! :) :)
20:58 jmsasse Hiya rangi
20:58 ryanleesipes nengard, example
20:57 wahanui I LOVE DISNEY
20:57 rangi carmenh?
20:57 bag hey there NateC
20:57 NateC :)
20:57 wahanui hmmm... nengard is fast
20:57 nengard nengard?
20:57 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
20:57 bag bag?
20:57 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:57 bag NateC?
20:56 ryanleesipes -/------
20:56 ryanleesipes jgs --//""--
20:56 ryanleesipes // )
20:56 ryanleesipes )(
20:56 ryanleesipes ( ">
20:56 ryanleesipes ___
20:56 carmenh I am wahanui :)
20:56 bag sweet thanks rangi
20:56 ryanleesipes Too bad somebody didn't post some (safe) ascii art while she had the channel pulled up
20:56 wahanui i think carmenh is a new trainer :) ... and hello cait
20:56 rangi heya carmenh
20:56 carmenh :)
20:56 carmenh hello jmsasse…. hello rangi
20:56 rangi http://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha use that if you have to use a web based one
20:56 Robin_NEKLS Hi jmsasse!
20:56 bag nengard: yup looks like mibbit is blocked
20:55 jmsasse Hello everybody!
20:55 rangi bag: yeah, dont use mibbit
20:55 bag hey there jmsasse
20:55 larryb hi bag
20:54 bag heya larryb
20:54 wahanui it has been said that agenda is a wiki
20:54 bag agenda?
20:53 larryb o/ NAKUG
20:53 bag HA
20:53 carmenh lunch was great… came back with a food baby though :)
20:53 bag heya carmenh - nice lunch?
20:53 huginn bag: The current temperature in 3rd and Elliott, Wenatchee, Washington is 33.8°C (1:52 PM PDT on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
20:53 bag @wunder wenatchee, WA
20:52 Robin_NEKLS Hi folks!!
20:52 nengard Hi from the Koha Users Group meeting!
20:52 WNickC_ Hi nengard
20:52 bag hello nengard
20:52 ryanleesipes Hello Nicole.
20:52 bag rangi: is mibbit banned from irc?
20:45 bag it’s going well
20:45 rangi hows hte conf going
20:45 rangi hi bag
20:44 bag hi there
19:55 huginn 04Bug 11404: major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4
19:55 cait oleonard: maybe this? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11404#c6
19:53 cait hm way too old, forget that
19:53 cait http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Deb-package-causes-conflicts-td4521315.html
19:53 cait hm maybe
19:52 cait oleonard: hm i think therw as something about the apachee itk lately
19:46 pianohacker oleonard: Those errors should correspond to some other message during the installatin
19:43 oleonard Anyone know what I should do about those errors?
19:42 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Errors following new package install on Ubuntu 14" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144
18:49 pianohacker hahaha yes you did, but I always love me some internet points
18:45 cait did i give you karma for helping me yesterday yet? pianohacker++ :D
18:45 cait and hi pianohacker :)
18:44 cait i am arriving earlier, and leaving later... but still leave and arrive at the same time
18:44 cait my flight schedule just completely changed
18:44 cait hm
18:41 wahanui bidet, pianohacker
18:41 pianohacker hello
17:45 tcohen oleonard: jenkins nodes aren't having trouble with it
17:41 oleonard Anyone have any idea why a test would work with Perl v5.18.2 but not 5.14.2?
17:41 oleonard So a few days ago I found that I couldn't run xt/author/valid-templates.t without error, but some reported that it worked if the Perl version was 5.18.2
16:43 oleonard Oh yeah, time zones.
16:42 WNickC nengard is going to share the agenda asap
16:41 WNickC Just getting underway
16:37 oleonard Anyone hear any news from Koha North America conference?
16:34 oleonard I still don't understand the problem. News is displaying but you don't want it to? You want news to display but too much displays?
16:33 indradg nothing more
16:33 indradg the idea behind pages.pl is (if I have it right) for news and other other updates that admins might want to publish... that why I was trying to bounce the idea
16:32 indradg sorry i wasnt clear enough on the m/l. the kohanews block (in the case I was working on) was large enough that it was pushing the new block almost down to the edge of the screen
16:30 oleonard yes
16:30 indradg Hi oleonard... around?
15:37 Mahdi i'm setting up a fresh amazon machine to run a Koha instance. are there any suggestions about which machine is a better option?
15:31 cait other union catalogs also offer z39.50 - but only marc21 I think not unimarc
15:31 cait given different editions can have different isbn etc
15:30 cait hm the result might not be what they expect
15:30 paul_p s/xsl/xls/ ;-)
15:30 cait bibliographic and authorities
15:30 paul_p "give me a XSL with scanned ISBN, and we populate your database"
15:30 cait it's free you can use ours
15:29 paul_p cait (thanks, it's for a -I hope future- customer that has german books & would like retro-cataloguing)
15:29 cait paul_p: remember, we are a bit similar to abes i think
15:29 cait https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:z39.50neu
15:28 cait and i am not sure if they totally closed it - but i remember they don't offer for authorities
15:28 cait it's only the nationa library that does not
15:28 cait the swb unoin catalog still offers z39.50
15:27 paul_p own target ???
15:27 cait we have our own target
15:27 paul_p cait right. but how do you manage copy catlaoguing with Koha then ?
15:27 cait paul_p: and there are still union catalogs offering z39.50
15:27 cait paul_p: i think they offer sru now
15:26 paul_p hi oleonard. I hope the mud is not annoying you too much :D
15:25 * oleonard waves to paul_p
15:25 paul_p cait = is it true that the german national library has closed its z39.50 server ? How do you copy catalogue then ?
15:24 paul_p not really a time to go to bed yet ;-)
15:24 wahanui cait: go to bed
15:24 paul_p cait ?
14:51 wahanui :)
14:51 druthb wahanui: botsnack oatmeal cookie
14:47 cait i think i haven't looked at the styleing yet - i probably should
14:47 cait wahanui is being weird
14:47 cait but it
14:43 oleonard But it?
14:43 wahanui i am a bot
14:43 oleonard okay what wahanui ?
14:42 wahanui okay, oleonard.
14:42 oleonard But it is also true that the styling of the buttons make them appear less important too, but in a different way.
14:42 oleonard I think it's good that the links look like links because they look less important
14:38 cait all being buttons?
14:38 cait i think it will make all links look the same?
14:38 cait it's a patch from a new contributor
14:38 oleonard No idea :) I don't even know if it's a widely-used expression in the US or if it's a regional thing
14:37 cait why it's called so?
14:37 cait is there a story to it or something?
14:37 cait ah
14:37 oleonard A stick-in-the-mud is someone who doesn't like new things because they're different.
14:32 cait not sure what a stick-in-the-mud is... but I added you in cc to the bug because I had similar feelings :)
14:31 oleonard yes
14:31 cait oleonard: still around?
13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Signed Off , search links need style id
13:19 oleonard I disagree with the style changes made by Bug 12576 but I don't know if it's because of reasons or because I'm a stick-in-the-mud
13:03 tcohen .addClass :-D
13:02 tcohen which adds the datepicker, but no icon
13:02 tcohen i was using $("#dateenrolled").datepicker({ maxDate: "-1D" });
13:02 tcohen can the class be appended using jquery?
13:01 oleonard tcohen: Often all you need is 'class="datepicker"' on the input
12:59 tcohen oleonard: how do I add the calendar button to a form field?
12:44 wahanui morning is, like, a state of the cait
12:44 tcohen morning!
10:55 huginn cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters
10:55 cait @seen ashimema
10:55 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
10:55 cait @later tell Viktor - true :)
10:21 Viktor We do too :) Just thought it would be cool if people could still request a renewal in opac in the middle of the night. At least I as a patron would like that instead of having to wait until morning and call the library :)
10:19 cait we use a separate itemtype for ill material
10:19 cait renewals for this cmbination of itemtype/patron category/library
09:43 Viktor I'd like to see a middle ground where you can still do a "request renewal from staff" where the renewal is handled by the staff as we do with tags etc.
09:42 Viktor But am I right that this will block borrower renewals altogheter?
09:41 Viktor Good idea. I think that is how we have it configured actually :)
09:18 cait and set it to 0 for the patrons
09:18 cait Viktor: you could allow staff to override renewal limits
09:18 cait Viktor: ah... sorry, i am a bit slow today
09:10 cait Viktor: i only said that for the renwals the configuratin is in the circ matrix now - so that shodl be ok
09:02 huginn Viktor: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
09:02 Viktor @cait - Sorry. Browser acting up. Working away from regular computer and no IRC-client.
08:45 cait Viktor: hm you can do renewals in the circulation matrix
08:34 Viktor DVDs is fine if they renew by themselves but ILLs require the staff to check with issuing library before allowing renewal. A "request renewal" would be better for those.
08:33 Viktor Another ILL-thought. A "per item type" flag for "allow patron renewals" would be great.
08:33 Viktor Yes. Manually is no fun..
08:32 cait apart from putting it on the account manually
08:32 Viktor No problem. Being confused is part of the fun.
08:32 cait hm guess right now ill fee is a bit complicated
08:32 cait sorry for confusing
08:32 Viktor Ah. Glad I didn't miss an important part though :)
08:31 cait it's been a while, our ill workflow is not in production yet
08:31 cait Viktor: ah you are right... we wanted to use it, but it's by patron category
08:31 Viktor I only see rental fee under item types. Does hold/reserve fee live i syspref?
08:30 Viktor Hm - wondering if I missed an important part
08:29 cait bit it depends on the workflow
08:29 cait the hold/reserve fee is what we use for ILL
08:29 cait for checkout and for renewal
08:29 cait i think the rental fee is charged every time
08:28 cait the change int he database is not too bad
08:28 cait maybe a step by step thing
08:08 Viktor Then I think a bugzilla thread might be called for. But as it feels like a patch that needs to store an extra parameter in the database it might be a little over my head.
08:06 Viktor It's not the end of the world of course. But it would be a welcome improvement
08:02 cait but we'd have a similar problem i think
08:02 cait Viktor: hm I can't remember something like that
08:01 Viktor Asking so I don't post a duplicate thread on Bugzilla.
08:00 Viktor We have DVDs that should cost the same for each renewals while ILLs is a one off fee where renewals are free.
07:59 Viktor Is anyone aware of any work on a separate renewal fee for item types?
07:59 Viktor Hi!
07:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:14 pianohacker jaysis I never closed my IRC!
05:42 dcook Need to get more windows around here...
05:42 dcook Interesting...if I slump forward I get sunlight reflecting off a window, but if I have proper posture there is no glare
05:29 dcook Actually, I think I might do that rather than do a local patch while waiting for this one to be signed off...
05:29 dcook Of course, I suppose I could've just turned off AuthoritiesLogging this time...
05:29 dcook Yay...now I won't get a million entries in my action_logs...
05:22 dcook Me too, so I should hurry up on this patch
05:22 eythian good, because I have to leave in a few minutes :)
05:22 dcook Suffice it to say, I won't bother re-enabling the syspref cache in this case :)
05:22 dcook Hmm, I think that leads me to more questions, which I might not burden you with at the moment
05:21 eythian when it's killed a new one is started.
05:20 eythian it depends. You might have 10 on startup, and it gets killed after say 50 requests.
05:20 dcook And how often is a process initiated?
05:19 eythian the startup overhead only happens once per process
05:19 eythian that's why it's faster
05:19 eythian yeah
05:19 dcook Multiple requests you say?
05:17 eythian it serves multiple requests with one process, so once C4::Context etc. is loaded in that particular process, it doesn't need to be loaded again.
05:16 dcook So what sort of persistence does Plack provide then?
05:16 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
05:16 dcook Interesting..
05:15 eythian it's a totally different process. The only communication they have is via the database or memcache.
05:15 dcook Admittedly, I've only poked at Plack a little bit so far
05:15 dcook So long as there are no "our" variables?
05:15 eythian bulkmarcimport doesn't know nor care that you have plack somewhere else.
05:14 eythian plack has nothing to do with bulkmarcimport
05:14 dcook Or is it with Plack it would only load C4::Context when Plack goes up, but the object is still created and destroyed within the process?
05:14 eythian yeah, though I'm not sure that it creates a new C4::Context (it might, I can't remember.)
05:14 dcook Stop me if I'm wrong... in both Plack and non-Plack, bulkmarcimport.pl will load C4::Context, then calling C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache(); will create a new C4::Context object and disable the syspref cache, then the object is destroyed at the end of the process?
05:12 eythian no, you're not setting it in plack if you call it from bulkmarcimport
05:11 dcook So that means C4::Context gets re-loaded regularly with Plack?
05:11 eythian it'll just apply to the bulkmarcimport.pl process
05:10 dcook Admittedly, I don't know how that works with Plack :/
05:10 eythian it's not setting any global state
05:10 eythian it's just an in-process cache, I think
05:09 dcook I suppose for Plack setups...
05:09 dcook Would I need to re-enable it afterward?
05:09 dcook Sweet.
05:09 eythian yeah, I think then you should call that
05:09 dcook Totes
05:08 eythian ah, that'd be an issue
05:08 dcook bulkmarcimport.pl temporarily changes CataloguingLog, but it with caching it doesn't actually change...
05:08 dcook I suppose for now I should just use "C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" ?
05:06 dcook Hmm
05:05 eythian after doing it, I wrote a proper caching system, and the syspref fix doesn't use it.
05:05 eythian I need to re-do it actually
05:05 eythian yeah
05:05 eythian there is, sometimes
05:05 dcook eythian: Didn't you do a fix for that?
05:04 dcook Hmm, I seem to recall there being an issue with system preference caching...
05:01 * cait waves
04:46 dcook hey cait
04:46 eythian hi cait
04:42 dcook "Upgrade to 3.17.00.000 done (there is no time to rest on our laurels)"
04:42 dcook Hehe. Like this line in updatadatabase.pl: "Upgrade to 3.15.00.000 done (the road goes ever on)"
04:35 wahanui fix is probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0
04:35 dcook fix?
04:35 wahanui well, fix is going to be something else
04:35 dcook fix?
04:35 wahanui okay, dcook.
04:35 dcook fix is also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0
04:35 dcook hmm
04:35 wahanui fix is going to be something else
04:35 dcook fix?
04:35 wahanui somebody said fix was going to be something else
04:35 dcook fix?
04:35 dcook fix is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0
04:34 dcook Well, not the actual patching. Just the process...
04:34 dcook But... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0
04:33 * dcook ponders patching bulkmarcimport.pl
04:32 mtompset Have a great day, #koha eythian dcook.
04:28 mtompset Good video.
04:26 dcook He seems like he'd be good for a few things
04:26 dcook Placement I think...
04:26 dcook No, not counting
04:26 dcook Apparently Korean is super interesting when it comes to counting
04:26 eythian he does a lot of videos on various interesting things that are good.
04:24 dcook This guy is fantastic
04:24 dcook Bahaha
04:18 eythian I'm not sure, but that is pretty accurate: http://youtu.be/0j74jcxSunY
04:16 mtompset How accurate is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha
04:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:14 eythian .zip is a silly format on unix machines.
04:14 eythian There's a terrible annoyance with the plugin system. When you upload files using them, they go onto the system with 666 perms. a) other-writable is bad, b) some of them may need to be 755 and you have to manually update that.
03:32 dcook If you have logging for authorities turned on, your action_logs will fill up when using bulkmarcimport.pl for authorities
03:31 dcook Btw, mtj, you might want to look at your action_logs
03:31 dcook Me too
03:28 mtj dcook: thats all , i think... ^^
03:01 dcook Staged MARC Management, Z39.50 Authority Search, bulkmarcimport.pl...
03:01 dcook Hmm, trying to think of all the ways to import authorities...
02:49 dcook The documentation is wrong :/
02:48 dcook Yep, it does
02:48 mtj afaik, the -u arg did add new unmatched records too (as i hoped)
02:47 dcook I think I'm going to use your method. Cheers :)
02:47 dcook mtj++
02:40 dcook Hmm, the documentation looks like it might be wrong...
02:39 dcook Not add missing ones
02:39 dcook I'm just looking at the documentation now, but it looks like that's supposed to only update existing authorities
02:39 dcook mtj: Now that I think about it... wouldn't -u not work that well?
02:30 dcook MARC--
02:30 dcook Since it's "may", you could never count on 001 as a local number really...
02:30 dcook Same for authorities..
02:28 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd001.html
02:28 dcook An organization receiving a record may move the incoming control number from field 001 (and the control number identifier from field 003) to field 035 (System Control Number), 010 (Library of Congress Control Number), or 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number), as appropriate, and place its own system control number in field 001 (and its control number identifier in field 003).
02:28 dcook Now that I think about it, perhaps it is appropriate to leave the 001 untouched
02:27 dcook I don't know about this stuff either
02:20 dcook I don't know.
02:19 dcook Well, stored in the DB but maybe not as the primary key
02:19 dcook So maybe not store in the DB...
02:19 dcook I suppose there is some difficulty with that though..
02:19 dcook (the 001 for both authorities and bibliographic records)
02:19 dcook Ideally, I think the 001 would be a unique number that we would also store in the DB and use for linking records together
02:16 dcook Because that will toss the 001 and put authid there instead
02:15 dcook The only downside would be if someone imported records via the web UI
02:15 dcook Your workflow works, which is good
02:15 * dcook shrugs
02:14 mtj i'll take a closer look next tme i work on it
02:14 dcook I don't think anyone ever considers it ;)
02:14 mtj hmm, this is stuff i havent considered yet, to be honest
02:13 dcook Which could get nasty when importing records...
02:12 dcook But fixing that will screw up the workflow for others (like yourself)
02:12 dcook That's probably a bug...
02:11 dcook bulkmarcimport.pl won't replace the 001 unless you use -keepid=FIELD
02:10 dcook Ahh, yep, as I expected
02:09 dcook If I were really fussed over everything, I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning :p
02:09 dcook I can't be too fussed over this
02:09 dcook But...*shrug*
02:08 mtj ah ok
02:08 dcook Probably 016$a according to the spec
02:08 dcook Ideally, we should be using a Koha-specific number in 001, and put LA's 001 in the 016$a or 035$a...
02:07 dcook Thanks for that, mtj :)
02:07 wahanui well, Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:07 dcook Interesting
02:07 dcook Which it probably doesn't
02:07 dcook Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't nuke the 001 and replace it with the authid from auth_header...
02:07 mtj record matching seemed to 'just work'
02:07 dcook Because -u will match on the 001
02:07 dcook I'm surprised that would update properly
02:07 wahanui Interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:07 dcook Interesting
02:06 mtj i dont seem to have required any more tricks than that ^^
02:05 mtj ./bulkmarcimport.pl -u -v -a -file ./NCG-20140212-18_00_44-All-titles.prd
02:05 mtj then a --update for the following files...
02:05 dcook Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't do that..
02:05 dcook In your case, I imagine you're nuking the 001?
02:04 dcook To move the 001 into the 035a
02:04 dcook I used -keepid=035a
02:04 dcook Well, actually
02:04 dcook Mmm, same
02:04 mtj ./bulkmarcimport.pl -v -a -m ISO2709 -file ~/formal_extra_final_10184.aut
02:03 dcook So how are you importing the records in the beginning?
02:03 wahanui rumour has it Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:03 dcook Interesting
02:03 dcook Because Koha doesn't index 035 by default
02:03 mtj ok, its 001 then :)
02:03 dcook If you didn't changing the indexing, it would be 001
02:03 mtj actually i cant remember if i matched on 035 or 001, atm
02:02 dcook Are you moving the 001 from the LA records into the 035?
02:02 dcook Intriguing
02:02 mtj importing newer LA auth records into a koha, matching on 035 strings
02:00 dcook I'd love to hear about it :)
02:00 dcook Neato!
02:00 mtj i have been poking at a similar AUTH task to yours
01:59 dcook heya mtj
01:59 mtj hey dcook
01:58 dcook So really your 001 can be anything you want...
01:55 dcook Interesting... "authid" really is just the auth_header.authid column...hmmm
01:41 dcook (I imagine)
01:41 dcook That's not good...
01:41 dcook Turns out importing an authority using matching rules will overwrite the 001...
01:41 dcook Well that's special...
01:40 dcook Hmmm
01:36 dcook Marc modification templates might work for this...
01:35 wahanui unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either
01:35 dcook Unless...
01:35 dcook Except...that still won't work
01:35 dcook Muahahahaha
01:34 dcook Derp
01:34 dcook Oh wait...yes it does
01:30 dcook Ah...except I don't think you can compare different fields...
01:27 * dcook looks at record matching rules more...
01:26 * dcook assumes that people don't update their authorities
01:26 dcook But...I'll have to tweak Zebra to do it...which makes me wonder what folks do now...
01:26 dcook In theory, that should work perfectly
01:26 dcook Then upload annual updates using the 001 from those updates against the 035 for the existing records
01:26 dcook Store the 001 from the original system in the 035
01:25 dcook I'm planning to upload 600,000+ authorities into Koha
01:25 * dcook wonders how people manage their authorities in Koha
00:58 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:58 dcook Hmm, interesting.
00:53 eythian it looks like the CFP is still open, too.
00:52 eythian neither have I yet, but that's not too unexpected
00:51 dcook Never heard about about that so not sure it's a thing, but thanks!
00:51 eythian http://opensource.com/business/14/8/interview-michael-tiemann-red-hat <-- dcook, for your OSDC talk
00:42 dcook Dang, they do seem to have a lot...
00:41 pianohacker heh, has mozilla hit the millions yet?
00:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10220 IDs on checkin columns <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccd2a36c3c08f4ba25f9b6c29bcd33ab9c060820>
00:04 rangi night
00:03 tcohen night
00:03 tcohen not even the linux kernel bugzilla has that bug number
00:02 dcook hehe
00:02 * dcook was just doing the process of elimination
00:01 rangi 11244
00:01 dcook That can't be a real bug..
00:00 tcohen heh