Time Nick Message 03:42 dcook Another day...another IE bug. 04:31 cait dcook: ? 04:32 cait dcook: it's my secret super power.... just search the word from simple search, and hit f5 repeatedly 04:43 cait and noone is here... :) 05:01 dcook I was eating :) 05:01 dcook Hmm, I'll give the F5 approach a shot 05:02 * dcook tries to recall the bug number 05:02 dcook bug 10542 05:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries' 05:02 cait i can check again later, but not right now 05:02 cait i tried it various times... it's really weird 05:03 dcook It sounds really weird :S 05:03 cait i agree 05:03 dcook Just searching for "der", eh? 05:05 dcook Hmm, I seem to be getting weird results now when I try it too.. 05:05 * dcook hunts some more 05:05 dcook Weird being...hidden stuff ain't stayin' hidden 05:05 dcook Oh, because I'm using the intranet and not the opac 05:05 dcook drr 05:06 cait der is a german article 05:06 cait guess you' dhave to search for the or some other word that appears multiple times in your records 05:06 dcook Yep 05:06 dcook I'm using "a" 05:06 dcook Looks all right.. 05:06 dcook Maybe I need more records.. 05:07 cait hm i just retested 05:07 dcook I get 4 out of 5 as I should each time 05:07 cait it still happens 05:07 cait i entered der 05:08 cait 33 = correct 05:08 cait then put the cursor into the search field, hit enter again 05:08 cait 21 05:08 cait again 21 05:08 cait again - no resuls 05:08 dcook I wonder.. 05:08 dcook Ok, that's the really weird part 05:08 cait 21 05:09 cait onw looks like it stabilized itself to 33 05:09 cait ah wrong... now it pulled up that record again - number 79 05:09 dcook I almost wonder if it's a weird cache issue 05:10 dcook But that probably doesn't make sense 05:10 cait it's so weird... i couldn't pass qa 05:10 dcook I'd be curious to see if the same query is being sent each time 05:10 cait if you help me with the command i can show you 05:10 dcook And then try to duplicate those results using yaz-client 05:10 dcook Hmm? 05:10 cait we need zebra running in the foreground? 05:11 cait but i have to get ready for work. hm. 05:11 dcook No worries. This can wait :) 05:11 dcook Maybe I'll try a sandbox as well... 05:12 dcook Then again...maybe the sandboxes don't work like I recall... 05:13 dcook Maybe not 05:13 dcook Guess it won't work anyway 05:15 dcook cait: Actually, if you could send me a MARC dump of your DB, I could upload it into mine and see if I can duplicate your results 05:15 dcook Another time, of course :) 05:15 cait i am not sure if it's that easy 05:15 cait i guess maybe configuration side there is something wrong too 05:15 dcook Yeah, it probably isn't that easy 05:15 dcook The inconsistency really surprises me :/ 05:16 cait maybe see if someone can replicate 05:16 cait yeah me as well 05:17 dcook I think a good bet would be trying to figure out what query is being generated each time 05:17 dcook Because if the query is the same each time...then it has to be an issue with Zebra/Zebra's configuration 05:17 dcook Or... 05:17 dcook How the records are being returned and processed 05:18 dcook But that's why I'm thinking we try to see what query is output each time; if it's the same, run it multiple times in yaz-client 05:18 cait makes sense 05:18 dcook Or skip the yaz-client stage, and if the query is the same each time, just analyze what Koha does with what it receives from Zebra (checking the count/contents of records as well) 05:21 eythian hi 05:21 dcook yo eythian 05:21 eythian I finally get my lunch 05:21 eythian which is now a bit soggy 05:21 dcook :( 05:22 dcook Mmm, actually, cait. I was surprised that you used the URL http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=der 05:23 dcook Usually, I would have "http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=der" without the empty "idx=" 05:23 dcook Not that it should make a difference 05:23 cait hm let me try again 05:23 cait bootstrap? 05:23 dcook Yep 05:23 cait opac start page 05:23 dcook Mhm 05:23 cait simple search 05:23 wahanui simple search is what would benefit staff most...do a quick search and quickly eyeball facets to see "who has how many of what" 05:23 cait http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=der 05:24 cait query parser is on, opacsuppression is on 05:24 dcook Yep 05:25 dcook Hmm, I'll rebase and see if that makes a difference for me.. 05:26 dcook (Nope. Still working well.) 05:26 cait hm if we have different urls to start with 05:26 cait weird 05:26 cait if you try with my url 05:27 cait do you see it? 05:31 dcook I can't reproduce it at all :/ 05:31 dcook Maybe I'll try dumping in a bunch of records.. 05:32 cait my database is quie small 05:32 cait about 200 records 05:32 dcook Hmm, mine only has 5, so I'll try a bit more ;) 05:33 dcook My prefs look the same as yours in this case 05:33 dcook At least the Searching prefs 05:33 cait maybe i need to update zebra conf 05:33 dcook Not that I can think of 05:35 dcook How many hidden records do you have? 05:36 dcook Hmm, added about 1600+ records, only have 1 hidden, but results are consistent 05:36 cait 1 05:38 dcook Hmm, yeah, aside from checking more deeply, I got no more ideas :/ 05:39 cait yeah and i don't have much time this morning 05:40 cait maybe someone else can reproduce 06:49 dac Hmm, apparently I quit, eh? 06:50 * dcook hates acquisitions... 06:50 eythian @later tell cait http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/07/140730_SCI_ReplicateScientists.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg 06:50 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 06:51 eythian actually... 06:51 eythian @later tell cait http://xkcd.com/583/ 06:51 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 07:21 paul_p hello everybody 07:24 eythian hi paul_p 07:25 marcelr hi #koha 07:26 cait hi #koha 07:26 marcelr hi cait 07:27 cait hm eythian is leaving me cryptic messages 07:28 cait hi marcelr :) 07:28 eythian cait: it was in response to the last thing you posted. 07:28 cait oh 07:28 cait and you expected me to remember that? :) 07:28 eythian yep :) 07:29 cait my memory is not as good as it used to be, you know? 07:29 eythian I guess I forgot 07:30 cait how was monday in nz? 07:30 eythian good, I spent half the day doing a presentation skills course (the second half for it tomorrow.) 07:31 cait ah, how did it go? 07:31 eythian good 07:31 eythian I need to give a three minute presentation tomorrow, so I'm finishing that off now 07:42 cait 3 mins are over 07:42 cait are you not done yet? 07:43 eythian ...writing them takes longer than giving them 08:05 paul_p m'orning cait & marcelr 08:05 marcelr hi paul_p 08:06 cait hi paul_p 08:29 cait paul_p: did you see BobB is coming too? :) 08:30 paul_p cait = now I see ;-) (checking wiki updates only once or twice a week) 12:23 oleonard Hi #koha 12:30 tcohen morrrning 12:32 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:32 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 12.5°C (9:30 AM ART on August 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 12:34 tcohen hi druthb 12:37 druthb hi, tcohen. :) 12:58 vinz3g hi, good morning 12:58 vinz3g anyone know where the file should be placed koha_oai.conf to work marc21 in OAI-PMH? 13:01 tcohen vinz3g: we don't have any file here 13:04 vinz3g sorry 13:07 vinz3g restating the question. anyone know where the file should be located "koha_oai.conf" to run the OAI-PMH? 13:15 rambutan vinz3g: people are still waking up. If you don't get a response wait an hour or so and ask again. 13:18 cait vinz3g: it shoudl work without actually - marc21 is there by default 13:18 cait you don't have to add your won 13:18 cait your own 13:33 vinz3g @cait solve it; I had to add to the "/ usr / share / koha / opac / cgi-bin / opac" file "koha_oai.conf" then modify the paths within the same file paths for "marc21" and "dc" 13:33 huginn vinz3g: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 13:33 vinz3g tnks huginn 13:34 vinz3g <huginn> 13:34 vinz3g :) 13:36 cait vinz3g: hm strange - it always worked for me without doing anything - maybe it's a pref thing 13:36 cait i think if you enter something in one of the preferences,you have to specify a separate file, otherwise it works without 13:37 cait marcelr++ # QA! 13:43 vinz3g I have actually changed the preference "OAI-PMH: ConfFile"; if I had not activated the message "... Dissemination as 'marc21' is not supported ..." 13:45 vinz3g you do not need to add is dublin core; this works well without activating the preference had not noticed that ... 13:51 cait vinz3g: it's been a whiel since we tested, but i think marcxml and dc works without doing much - just switching it on 13:51 cait if you want to do changes on the records etc. then you will need your own files i think 13:55 mveron Hi #koha 14:04 vinz3g ok 14:06 cait hi mveron :) 14:09 mveron hi cait :-) 15:10 cait hm someone around familiar with the mtt changes? 15:10 cait in the past when a user had no email address and an ovrdue was supposed to be send, it would end up in an email send to the library automatically 15:10 cait but now it looks like a print version of the message is generated - how can those be output? 15:14 mveron cait: Maybe Syspref OverdueNoticeBcc ? 15:15 cait mveron: then you get all of them 15:15 cait i only want those that need to be printed/patrons with no email address 15:16 cait andnot only overdues btw - but all all messages... 15:16 cait the pref is misnamed 15:16 cait well... it grew since first implementation 15:19 mveron Kind of fallback mail address for customers without mail address would be nice. 15:21 cait mveron: i think we shouldn't really send them by email :( 15:21 cait but we had it for overdues and now it seems broken 15:21 mveron Some daily report? 15:21 cait mveron: but there is also no nice way to pick up server generated files from within koha right now... so i want that email back 15:21 cait it had the formatted letters as attachement 15:21 cait so a report will not cover it 15:22 cait sending email with the patron data to the library is not so nice in terms of privacy i think, so ideal would be downloading a file from within koha 15:23 cait but right now, it seems like we have a regression... and i am not sure if there is a new way to do what has worked before 15:25 mveron http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.html - The html-Option? 15:25 mveron Produces html data. If patron does not have an email address or -n (no mail) flag is set, an HTML file is generated in the specified directory. This can be downloaded or futher processed by library staff. The file will be called notices-YYYY-MM-DD.html and placed in the directory specified. 15:26 cait mveron: if you have a file on the server 15:26 cait yo have to figure out how to get that to the library in a safe way 15:26 cait you can't just put patron sensitive information in a directory without authentication 15:26 cait so you need to automate it to put the files somewhere the library can get them, like an sftp server 15:27 jcamins cait: it's always been like that, hasn't it? 15:27 cait jcamins: the email was sent out automatically 15:27 cait there was no print type fallback before 15:27 cait the email option is missing 15:27 cait it's not in the script, as it was automatic, not an option 15:27 tcohen oleonard 15:27 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 15:27 jcamins cait: hm, I think I don't understand the problem, because I used the file on the server. 15:28 cait jcamins: it requires a lot more setup - how do you secure the file? 15:28 cait where do you put it and how does the library download it? 15:29 jcamins cait: it's a huge nuisance. I've served it via HTTP and had a password on it. 15:30 jcamins But it was always a nuisance as far as I can remember. 15:30 cait jcamins: well you could have used the email :) but it's not as nicely formatted... and gone now. 15:30 cait our customers all use the email option 15:30 cait so that's why i am a bit.. grumpy :) 18:39 tcohen #koha: sample (refactored) import patrons form http://snag.gy/q0YiO.jpg 18:39 tcohen what do u think? 18:39 wahanui rumour has it do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false 19:19 cait @later tell tcohen looks nice :) 19:19 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:01 ckindley Hi folks. I'm trying to install Koha on a Gentoo server, but immediately hit a snag: # perl Makefile.PL prints "not well-formed (invalid token) at line 12, column 17, byte 378 at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.18.2/XML/Simple.pm line 383." 20:04 cait ckindley: i am sory, but i know nothing about Gentoo 20:04 cait most devs are using ubuntu or debian - so not sure who would be able to help you 20:06 pianohacker ckindley: it's likely that XML::Simple is using the wrong package 20:06 pianohacker I'm not sure where it is on gentoo but you'll be fixing a file called ParserDetails.ini 20:07 cait hey pianohacker :) 20:08 pianohacker hi cait :) 20:12 ckindley pianohacker: Okay, that gives me something to work with. Thanks! 20:13 cait pianohacker: how is rancor? 20:13 cait :P 20:13 pianohacker rancorous 20:14 ckindley Looks like I'm working with XML::Simple 2.200.0 from Gentoo's Portage tree - should I use CPAN repo instead? 20:15 rangi its not xml::simple 20:15 pianohacker ckindley: the problem isn't with XML::Simple, perse; it's with the xml parser it's using under the hood 20:15 rangi its the parser it is using 20:15 rangi *snap* 20:15 ckindley Oooh, 20:15 pianohacker ckindley: run perl misc/sax_parser_print.pl 20:20 ckindley pianohacker: http://bpaste.net/show/557355/ 20:20 pianohacker ckindley: yup, that needs to be fixed 20:22 * ckindley fixes..... 20:22 wahanui fixes are easier if we don't have to check for using_https - I don't mind either way 20:31 ckindley Ech, ok. Still says it looks bad because the module appears to just be called "XML::LibXML::SAX", and it does not like the "+" character included in my DB password. 20:41 rangi man i hope someone fixes bug 12717 20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address 20:42 rangi or every single public library i admin is going to call me when they upgrade 20:42 rangi regressions-- 20:42 cait maybe there is a new option i missed, i am hoping 20:43 rangi im glad i havent upgraded anyone to 3.16 yet 20:43 rangi cos that would be super annoying 20:47 kathryn morning :) 20:49 cait morning kathryn 20:49 cait :) 20:52 ckindley So many perl modules to make sure I've installed.... 20:53 ckindley Say, what is Zebra anyway 20:53 ckindley This: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra ? 20:53 cait yes, it's the search engine - you needit. 20:53 ckindley Gotcha 20:54 ckindley "Zebra", even "Zebra database" was a pretty ambiguous term for me to find out more about 20:55 rambutan Zebra is used as the indexer for Koha because it's very fast and supports z39.50. The indexed results, however, sometimes 20:55 rambutan leave something to be desired in terms of ranking/relevancy. 20:55 cait rambutan: not the zebra's fault... 20:56 rambutan The Koha project will probably be transitioning to Elasticsearch 20:56 rangi yeah thats what we tell it to do 20:56 rangi maybe, but it will certainly be offering both 20:56 cait and zebra offers sru and z39.50 among other things 20:57 rangi elasticsearch needs another server 20:57 rangi id still like to let libraries without the budget or need for 2 servers to use koha 20:58 rangi so i dont imagine zebra will be going away in the near future, but elasticsearch will be an option too 20:58 rangi when marc dies 20:58 rangi zebra can die 20:59 rangi until then, we still need z3950 and sru/sw 21:03 quocuy Hi everyone 21:03 quocuy i'm following this tutorial to create new page on opac site, but it does not work 21:04 quocuy http://www.prosentient.com/index.php/news/155-news-applications/165-news-koha-add-a-page 21:04 rangi it wont 21:05 quocuy Is koha-community support this feature or this is koha.org? Because i have checked koha, there is no opac-showpage.pl file 21:05 cait it's neither 21:05 rangi its neither 21:05 rangi its a prosentient thing 21:05 cait jinx? :) 21:05 rangi however 21:05 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 21:05 rangi you could try this 21:05 cait probably based on this 21:05 rangi no guarantees it will work 21:05 quocuy so is there any way to create new page on Koha opac? 21:05 cait from the description, it sounds quite similar 21:06 cait not build in, it's a customization 21:06 rangi koha isnt a CMS 21:06 quocuy I understand. 21:06 rangi but you can do this hackery 21:06 rangi to make it pretend to be one 21:06 rangi ideally someone would convert this to a plugin 21:07 quocuy yeah, exactly. 21:07 rangi there's a mission for you quocuy :) 21:08 quocuy Ok, let me looking for some solution 21:08 rangi http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ 21:08 quocuy in our country, there is a company, who made this http://koha.vn/ 21:08 rangi that wiki page should still work 21:09 quocuy ofcourse they won't give me any idea, so i had to find it out myself 21:09 rangi but converting it into a plugin would be a better solution 21:09 quocuy thanks, let's me try 21:09 quocuy thank you so much, rangi 21:09 quocuy i'll give u update about this soon 21:10 rangi cool 21:32 rangi http://wozniak.ca/what-orms-have-taught-me-just-learn-sql <-- totally how i feel, and am glad that DBIx::Class is a light ORM 21:49 quocuy HI <@rangi> 21:49 rangi hi again quocuy 21:49 quocuy i followed that wiki page, it does not work on koha 3.14 21:49 quocuy An error has occurred Error 500 An error occurred while try to process your request. To report this error, you can email the Koha Administrator. Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha. 21:50 rangi you'll have to look in the error log 21:50 rangi and find the actual erro 21:50 rangi r 21:50 quocuy ok 21:52 quocuy aha, this error Can't open perl script "/usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/pages.pl": Permission denied 21:52 quocuy but i tried $chmod 711 pages.pl 21:54 rangi it needs to be 21:54 rangi 755 21:54 cait @later tell oleonard - could you take a look at the plugin added by bug 8992? 21:54 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 21:55 quocuy ok 21:59 quocuy Ok, ok, it works! Thank you. Did u say that i can make plugin about this? 21:59 quocuy Rangi 22:00 rangi you could try if you wanted to 22:00 rangi http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ 22:00 rangi there is a tutorial video linked there 22:03 quocuy OK. Let me try more about this. I'm excited about this. We can make full site for schools without using wordpress, maybe 22:03 quocuy thank you 22:05 rangi no problem 22:38 rangi if you think that was worked up, you aint seen nothing yet 23:42 tcohen hi 23:42 wahanui salut, tcohen 23:42 dac rangi: I might have a fix for bug 12717 23:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address 23:43 dac It's not great though, so I haven't upstreamed it 23:43 rangi maybe just put it up with a note, here's a starting point? 23:46 dac Probably could do 23:46 dac At the moment, I use a syspref to just email it directly to the library. I like the former behaviour of collecting them together as attachments and just sending one email better though 23:46 rangi yeah 23:47 * dac was wondering if he was the only one noticing this issue 23:47 dac What's MTT? 23:47 dac Ah, nvm 23:49 dac Wait a tic...actually, I fixed something different... 23:49 dac Mine was for holds notices... 23:52 rangi ah right :) 23:52 dac Bleargh 23:53 dcook regressions-- 23:54 dcook Ahh, that's why I haven't noticed that issue yet...it's post 3.14 23:58 rangi yeah 23:58 rangi its only gonna kick in 3.16.x 23:59 dcook Yeah, I'm a bit confused by the bug status. Galen already pushed it to 3.16.0?