Time  Nick        Message
03:42 dcook       Another day...another IE bug.
04:31 cait        dcook: ?
04:32 cait        dcook: it's my secret super power.... just search the word from simple search, and hit f5 repeatedly
04:43 cait        and noone is here... :)
05:01 dcook       I was eating :)
05:01 dcook       Hmm, I'll give the F5 approach a shot
05:02 * dcook     tries to recall the bug number
05:02 dcook       bug 10542
05:02 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries'
05:02 cait        i can check again later, but not right now
05:02 cait        i tried it various times... it's really weird
05:03 dcook       It sounds really weird :S
05:03 cait        i agree
05:03 dcook       Just searching for "der", eh?
05:05 dcook       Hmm, I seem to be getting weird results now when I try it too..
05:05 * dcook     hunts some more
05:05 dcook       Weird being...hidden stuff ain't stayin' hidden
05:05 dcook       Oh, because I'm using the intranet and not the opac
05:05 dcook       drr
05:06 cait        der is a german article
05:06 cait        guess you' dhave to search for the or some other word that appears multiple times in your records
05:06 dcook       Yep
05:06 dcook       I'm using "a"
05:06 dcook       Looks all right..
05:06 dcook       Maybe I need more records..
05:07 cait        hm i just retested
05:07 dcook       I get 4 out of 5 as I should each time
05:07 cait        it still happens
05:07 cait        i entered der
05:08 cait        33 = correct
05:08 cait        then put the cursor into the search field, hit enter again
05:08 cait         21
05:08 cait        again 21
05:08 cait        again - no resuls
05:08 dcook       I wonder..
05:08 dcook       Ok, that's the really weird part
05:08 cait         21
05:09 cait        onw looks like it stabilized itself to 33
05:09 cait        ah wrong... now it pulled up that record again - number 79
05:09 dcook       I almost wonder if it's a weird cache issue
05:10 dcook       But that probably doesn't make sense
05:10 cait        it's so weird... i couldn't pass qa
05:10 dcook       I'd be curious to see if the same query is being sent each time
05:10 cait        if you help me with the command i can show you
05:10 dcook       And then try to duplicate those results using yaz-client
05:10 dcook       Hmm?
05:10 cait        we need zebra running in the foreground?
05:11 cait        but i have to get ready for work. hm.
05:11 dcook       No worries. This can wait :)
05:11 dcook       Maybe I'll try a sandbox as well...
05:12 dcook       Then again...maybe the sandboxes don't work like I recall...
05:13 dcook       Maybe not
05:13 dcook       Guess it won't work anyway
05:15 dcook       cait: Actually, if you could send me a MARC dump of your DB, I could upload it into mine and see if I can duplicate your results
05:15 dcook       Another time, of course :)
05:15 cait        i am not sure if it's that easy
05:15 cait        i guess maybe configuration side there is something wrong too
05:15 dcook       Yeah, it probably isn't that easy
05:15 dcook       The inconsistency really surprises me :/
05:16 cait        maybe see if someone can replicate
05:16 cait        yeah me as well
05:17 dcook       I think a good bet would be trying to figure out what query is being generated each time
05:17 dcook       Because if the query is the same each time...then it has to be an issue with Zebra/Zebra's configuration
05:17 dcook       Or...
05:17 dcook       How the records are being returned and processed
05:18 dcook       But that's why I'm thinking we try to see what query is output each time; if it's the same, run it multiple times in yaz-client
05:18 cait        makes sense
05:18 dcook       Or skip the yaz-client stage, and if the query is the same each time, just analyze what Koha does with what it receives from Zebra (checking the count/contents of records as well)
05:21 eythian     hi
05:21 dcook       yo eythian
05:21 eythian     I finally get my lunch
05:21 eythian     which is now a bit soggy
05:21 dcook       :(
05:22 dcook       Mmm, actually, cait. I was surprised that you used the URL http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=der
05:23 dcook       Usually, I would have "http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=der" without the empty "idx="
05:23 dcook       Not that it should make a difference
05:23 cait        hm let me try again
05:23 cait        bootstrap?
05:23 dcook       Yep
05:23 cait        opac start page
05:23 dcook       Mhm
05:23 cait        simple search
05:23 wahanui     simple search is what would benefit staff most...do a quick search and quickly eyeball facets to see "who has how many of what"
05:23 cait        http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=der
05:24 cait        query parser is on, opacsuppression is on
05:24 dcook       Yep
05:25 dcook       Hmm, I'll rebase and see if that makes a difference for me..
05:26 dcook       (Nope. Still working well.)
05:26 cait        hm if we have different urls to start with
05:26 cait        weird
05:26 cait        if you try with my url
05:27 cait        do you see it?
05:31 dcook       I can't reproduce it at all :/
05:31 dcook       Maybe I'll try dumping in a bunch of records..
05:32 cait        my database is quie small
05:32 cait        about 200 records
05:32 dcook       Hmm, mine only has 5, so I'll try a bit more ;)
05:33 dcook       My prefs look the same as yours in this case
05:33 dcook       At least the Searching prefs
05:33 cait        maybe i need to update zebra conf
05:33 dcook       Not that I can think of
05:35 dcook       How many hidden records do you have?
05:36 dcook       Hmm, added about 1600+ records, only have 1 hidden, but results are consistent
05:36 cait          1
05:38 dcook       Hmm, yeah, aside from checking more deeply, I got no more ideas :/
05:39 cait        yeah and i don't have much time this morning
05:40 cait        maybe someone else can reproduce
06:49 dac         Hmm, apparently I quit, eh?
06:50 * dcook     hates acquisitions...
06:50 eythian     @later tell cait http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/07/140730_SCI_ReplicateScientists.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg
06:50 huginn      eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:51 eythian     actually...
06:51 eythian     @later tell cait http://xkcd.com/583/
06:51 huginn      eythian: The operation succeeded.
07:21 paul_p      hello everybody
07:24 eythian     hi paul_p
07:25 marcelr     hi #koha
07:26 cait        hi #koha
07:26 marcelr     hi cait
07:27 cait        hm eythian is leaving me cryptic messages
07:28 cait        hi marcelr :)
07:28 eythian     cait: it was in response to the last thing you posted.
07:28 cait        oh
07:28 cait        and you expected me to remember that? :)
07:28 eythian     yep :)
07:29 cait        my memory is not as good as it used to be, you know?
07:29 eythian     I guess I forgot
07:30 cait        how was monday in nz?
07:30 eythian     good, I spent half the day doing a presentation skills course (the second half for it tomorrow.)
07:31 cait        ah, how did it go?
07:31 eythian     good
07:31 eythian     I need to give a three minute presentation tomorrow, so I'm finishing that off now
07:42 cait        3 mins are over
07:42 cait        are you not done yet?
07:43 eythian     ...writing them takes longer than giving them
08:05 paul_p      m'orning cait & marcelr
08:05 marcelr     hi paul_p
08:06 cait        hi paul_p
08:29 cait        paul_p: did you see BobB is coming too? :)
08:30 paul_p      cait = now I see ;-) (checking wiki updates only once or twice a week)
12:23 oleonard    Hi #koha
12:30 tcohen      morrrning
12:32 tcohen      @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:32 huginn      tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 12.5°C (9:30 AM ART on August 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
12:34 tcohen      hi druthb
12:37 druthb      hi, tcohen. :)
12:58 vinz3g      hi, good morning
12:58 vinz3g      anyone know where the file should be placed koha_oai.conf to work marc21 in OAI-PMH?
13:01 tcohen      vinz3g: we don't have any file here
13:04 vinz3g      sorry
13:07 vinz3g      restating the question. anyone know where the file should be located "koha_oai.conf" to run the OAI-PMH?
13:15 rambutan    vinz3g: people are still waking up. If you don't get a response wait an hour or so and ask again.
13:18 cait        vinz3g: it shoudl work without actually - marc21 is there by default
13:18 cait        you don't have to add your won
13:18 cait        your own
13:33 vinz3g      @cait solve it; I had to add to the "/ usr / share / koha / opac / cgi-bin / opac" file "koha_oai.conf" then modify the paths within the same file paths for "marc21" and "dc"
13:33 huginn      vinz3g: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:33 vinz3g      tnks huginn
13:34 vinz3g      <huginn>
13:34 vinz3g      :)
13:36 cait        vinz3g: hm strange - it always worked for me without doing anything - maybe it's a pref thing
13:36 cait        i think if you enter something in one of the preferences,you have to specify a separate file, otherwise it works without
13:37 cait        marcelr++ # QA!
13:43 vinz3g      I have actually changed the preference "OAI-PMH: ConfFile"; if I had not activated the message "... Dissemination as 'marc21' is not supported ..."
13:45 vinz3g      you do not need to add is dublin core; this works well without activating the preference had not noticed that ...
13:51 cait        vinz3g: it's been a whiel since we tested, but i think marcxml and dc works without doing much - just switching it on
13:51 cait        if you want to do changes on the records etc. then you will need your own files i think
13:55 mveron      Hi #koha
14:04 vinz3g      ok
14:06 cait        hi mveron :)
14:09 mveron      hi cait :-)
15:10 cait        hm someone around familiar with the mtt changes?
15:10 cait        in the past when a user had no email address and an ovrdue was supposed to be send, it would end  up in an email send to the library automatically
15:10 cait        but now it looks like a print version of the message is generated - how can those be output?
15:14 mveron      cait: Maybe Syspref OverdueNoticeBcc ?
15:15 cait        mveron: then you get all of them
15:15 cait        i only want those that need to be printed/patrons with no email address
15:16 cait        andnot only overdues btw - but all all messages...
15:16 cait        the pref is misnamed
15:16 cait        well... it grew since first implementation
15:19 mveron      Kind of fallback mail address for customers without mail address would be nice.
15:21 cait        mveron: i think we shouldn't really send them by email :(
15:21 cait        but we had it for overdues and now it seems broken
15:21 mveron      Some daily report?
15:21 cait        mveron: but there is also no nice way to pick up server generated files from within koha right now... so i want that email back
15:21 cait        it had the formatted letters as attachement
15:21 cait        so a report will not cover it
15:22 cait        sending email with the patron data to the library is not so nice in terms of privacy i think, so ideal would be downloading a file from within koha
15:23 cait        but right now, it seems like we have a regression... and i am not sure if there is a new way to do what has worked before
15:25 mveron      http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.html  - The html-Option?
15:25 mveron      Produces html data. If patron does not have an email address or -n (no mail) flag is set, an HTML file is generated in the specified directory. This can be downloaded or futher processed by library staff. The file will be called notices-YYYY-MM-DD.html and placed in the directory specified.
15:26 cait        mveron: if you have a file on the server
15:26 cait        yo have to figure out how to get that to the library in a safe way
15:26 cait        you can't just put patron sensitive information in a directory without authentication
15:26 cait        so you need to automate it to put the files somewhere the library can get them, like an sftp server
15:27 jcamins     cait: it's always been like that, hasn't it?
15:27 cait        jcamins: the email was sent out automatically
15:27 cait        there was no print type fallback before
15:27 cait        the email option is missing
15:27 cait        it's not in the script, as it was automatic, not an option
15:27 tcohen      oleonard
15:27 wahanui     hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
15:27 jcamins     cait: hm, I think I don't understand the problem, because I used the file on the server.
15:28 cait        jcamins: it requires a lot more setup - how do you secure the file?
15:28 cait        where do you put it and how does the library download it?
15:29 jcamins     cait: it's a huge nuisance. I've served it via HTTP and had a password on it.
15:30 jcamins     But it was always a nuisance as far as I can remember.
15:30 cait        jcamins: well you could have used the email :) but it's not as nicely formatted... and gone now.
15:30 cait        our customers all use the email option
15:30 cait        so that's why i am a bit.. grumpy :)
18:39 tcohen      #koha: sample (refactored) import patrons form http://snag.gy/q0YiO.jpg
18:39 tcohen      what do u think?
18:39 wahanui     rumour has it do u think is ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false
19:19 cait        @later tell tcohen looks nice :)
19:19 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
20:01 ckindley    Hi folks. I'm trying to install Koha on a Gentoo server, but immediately hit a snag: # perl Makefile.PL prints "not well-formed (invalid token) at line 12, column 17, byte 378 at /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.18.2/XML/Simple.pm line 383."
20:04 cait        ckindley: i am sory, but i know nothing about Gentoo
20:04 cait        most devs are using ubuntu or debian -  so not sure who would be able to help you
20:06 pianohacker ckindley: it's likely that XML::Simple is using the wrong package
20:06 pianohacker I'm not sure where it is on gentoo but you'll be fixing a file called ParserDetails.ini
20:07 cait        hey pianohacker :)
20:08 pianohacker hi cait :)
20:12 ckindley    pianohacker: Okay, that gives me something to work with. Thanks!
20:13 cait        pianohacker: how is rancor?
20:13 cait        :P
20:13 pianohacker rancorous
20:14 ckindley    Looks like I'm working with XML::Simple 2.200.0 from Gentoo's Portage tree - should I use CPAN repo instead?
20:15 rangi       its not xml::simple
20:15 pianohacker ckindley: the problem isn't with XML::Simple, perse; it's with the xml parser it's using under the hood
20:15 rangi       its the parser it is using
20:15 rangi       *snap*
20:15 ckindley    Oooh,
20:15 pianohacker ckindley: run perl misc/sax_parser_print.pl
20:20 ckindley    pianohacker: http://bpaste.net/show/557355/
20:20 pianohacker ckindley: yup, that needs to be fixed
20:22 * ckindley  fixes.....
20:22 wahanui     fixes are easier if we don't have to check for using_https - I don't mind either way
20:31 ckindley    Ech, ok. Still says it looks bad because the module appears to just be called "XML::LibXML::SAX", and it does not like the "+" character included in my DB password.
20:41 rangi       man i hope someone fixes bug 12717
20:41 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address
20:42 rangi       or every single public library i admin is going to call me when they upgrade
20:42 rangi       regressions--
20:42 cait        maybe there is a new option i missed, i am hoping
20:43 rangi       im glad i havent upgraded anyone to 3.16 yet
20:43 rangi       cos that would be super annoying
20:47 kathryn     morning :)
20:49 cait        morning kathryn
20:49 cait        :)
20:52 ckindley    So many perl modules to make sure I've installed....
20:53 ckindley    Say, what is Zebra anyway
20:53 ckindley    This: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra ?
20:53 cait        yes, it's the search engine - you needit.
20:53 ckindley    Gotcha
20:54 ckindley    "Zebra", even "Zebra database" was a pretty ambiguous term for me to find out more about
20:55 rambutan    Zebra is used as the indexer for Koha because it's very fast and supports z39.50. The indexed results, however, sometimes
20:55 rambutan    leave something to be desired in terms of ranking/relevancy.
20:55 cait        rambutan: not the zebra's fault...
20:56 rambutan    The Koha project will probably be transitioning to Elasticsearch
20:56 rangi       yeah thats what we tell it to do
20:56 rangi       maybe, but it will certainly be offering both
20:56 cait        and zebra offers sru and z39.50 among other things
20:57 rangi       elasticsearch needs another server
20:57 rangi       id still like to let libraries without the budget or need for 2 servers to use koha
20:58 rangi       so i dont imagine zebra will be going away in the near future, but elasticsearch will be an option too
20:58 rangi       when marc dies
20:58 rangi       zebra can die
20:59 rangi       until then, we still need z3950 and sru/sw
21:03 quocuy      Hi everyone
21:03 quocuy      i'm following this tutorial to create new page on opac site, but it does not work
21:04 quocuy      http://www.prosentient.com/index.php/news/155-news-applications/165-news-koha-add-a-page
21:04 rangi       it wont
21:05 quocuy      Is koha-community support this feature or this is koha.org? Because i have checked koha, there is no opac-showpage.pl file
21:05 cait        it's neither
21:05 rangi       its neither
21:05 rangi       its a prosentient thing
21:05 cait        jinx? :)
21:05 rangi       however
21:05 rangi       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS
21:05 rangi       you could try this
21:05 cait        probably based on this
21:05 rangi       no guarantees it will work
21:05 quocuy      so is there any way to create new page on Koha opac?
21:05 cait        from the description, it sounds quite similar
21:06 cait        not build in, it's a customization
21:06 rangi       koha isnt a CMS
21:06 quocuy      I understand.
21:06 rangi       but you can do this hackery
21:06 rangi       to make it pretend to be one
21:06 rangi       ideally someone would convert this to a plugin
21:07 quocuy      yeah, exactly.
21:07 rangi       there's a mission for you quocuy :)
21:08 quocuy      Ok, let me looking for some solution
21:08 rangi       http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/
21:08 quocuy      in our country, there is a company, who made this http://koha.vn/
21:08 rangi       that wiki page should still work
21:09 quocuy      ofcourse they won't give me any idea, so i had to find it out myself
21:09 rangi       but converting it into a plugin would be a better solution
21:09 quocuy      thanks, let's me try
21:09 quocuy      thank you so much, rangi
21:09 quocuy      i'll give u update about this soon
21:10 rangi       cool
21:32 rangi       http://wozniak.ca/what-orms-have-taught-me-just-learn-sql   <-- totally how i feel, and am glad that DBIx::Class is a light ORM
21:49 quocuy      HI <@rangi>
21:49 rangi       hi again quocuy
21:49 quocuy      i followed that wiki page, it does not work on koha 3.14
21:49 quocuy      An error has occurred Error 500      An error occurred while try to process your request.     To report this error, you can email the Koha Administrator.     Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha.
21:50 rangi       you'll have to look in the error log
21:50 rangi       and find the actual erro
21:50 rangi       r
21:50 quocuy      ok
21:52 quocuy      aha, this error Can't open perl script "/usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/pages.pl": Permission denied
21:52 quocuy      but i tried $chmod 711 pages.pl
21:54 rangi       it needs to be
21:54 rangi       755
21:54 cait        @later tell oleonard - could you take a look at the plugin added by bug 8992?
21:54 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
21:55 quocuy      ok
21:59 quocuy      Ok, ok, it works! Thank you. Did u say that i can make plugin about this?
21:59 quocuy      Rangi
22:00 rangi       you could try if you wanted to
22:00 rangi       http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/
22:00 rangi       there is a tutorial video linked there
22:03 quocuy      OK. Let me try more about this. I'm excited about this. We can make full site for schools without using wordpress, maybe
22:03 quocuy      thank you
22:05 rangi       no problem
22:38 rangi       if you think that was worked up, you aint seen nothing yet
23:42 tcohen      hi
23:42 wahanui     salut, tcohen
23:42 dac         rangi: I might have a fix for bug 12717
23:42 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12717 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address
23:43 dac         It's not great though, so I haven't upstreamed it
23:43 rangi       maybe just put it up with a note, here's a starting point?
23:46 dac         Probably could do
23:46 dac         At the moment, I use a syspref to just email it directly to the library. I like the former behaviour of collecting them together as attachments and just sending one email better though
23:46 rangi       yeah
23:47 * dac       was wondering if he was the only one noticing this issue
23:47 dac         What's MTT?
23:47 dac         Ah, nvm
23:49 dac         Wait a tic...actually, I fixed something different...
23:49 dac         Mine was for holds notices...
23:52 rangi       ah right :)
23:52 dac         Bleargh
23:53 dcook       regressions--
23:54 dcook       Ahh, that's why I haven't noticed that issue yet...it's post 3.14
23:58 rangi       yeah
23:58 rangi       its only gonna kick in 3.16.x
23:59 dcook       Yeah, I'm a bit confused by the bug status. Galen already pushed it to 3.16.0?