Time  Nick           Message
23:52 huginn         bgkriegel: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.1°C (8:50 PM ART on August 02, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
23:52 bgkriegel      @wunder cordoba, argentina
20:17 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 02, 2014). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
20:17 cait           @wunder Konstanz
13:08 bgkriegel      you too :)
13:08 cait           bgkriegel: have to go to the supermarket... will be back later - have a nice weekend :)
13:07 cait           tcohen++
13:02 cait           ah tcohen is gone
13:00 bgkriegel      yep, I know :) No problem
12:59 cait           i think 2 more weeks at least
12:59 cait           bgkriegel: he is on vacation now i am afraid
12:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
12:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12061 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , tmpl_process3.pl new features
12:59 bgkriegel      I'm also waiting for Joubu to review (again) Bug 12061, that is needed to Bug 7939
12:57 bgkriegel      that could help with 12017, and yes, many other things
12:55 cait           also for javascript libraries
12:55 cait           i think we have run into the problem quite often now
12:55 * cait         nods
12:55 bgkriegel      a common TT dir to share some code between opac/staff would be great
12:54 bgkriegel      yes, of course :)
12:54 cait           i am getting a little confused here between all the languages :)
12:54 cait           but then we need a follow up for kurdish to the other, i think?
12:53 cait           it looks like :)
12:53 bgkriegel      i'm writing my own incompatibilities :)
12:53 cait           if that would be ok for you
12:53 cait           hm i think maybe leave that and go for the one file one instead
12:53 bgkriegel      algo I have another, 12250, in that I copy the same file for all languages
12:51 bgkriegel      yes, that could work
12:51 cait           i think maybe the easy one first, could even be a bugfix for stable versions... and then 12017?
12:50 cait           bgkriegel: you wrote both patches, what are you thinking?
12:48 cait           rightt now we only support english, french and german.. that's not so nice
12:47 cait           i like the other patchbecauseit will not require people to change an sql file to have more translations
12:47 cait           and adopting a method we have already
12:47 cait           changingless code
12:47 cait           i like 11953 because it's abit less invasive
12:46 bgkriegel      cait: you need that I look something?
12:43 bgkriegel      but 11953 is about consolidate into one file
12:41 bgkriegel      it's a matter of discussion, to find a better way
12:40 bgkriegel      no problem :)
12:40 cait           sorry if I am not making much sense
12:40 cait           or better decide on one?
12:39 cait           so this first and then 11593?
12:39 bgkriegel      with 11593 we can have only one
12:39 cait           could this be a first step to removing it totally?
12:39 cait           yeah
12:39 bgkriegel      some form of this file is needed
12:38 cait           oh
12:38 cait           but probably not quite as nice
12:38 cait           i guess it wouldbe a quicer version of your more thorough patch?
12:38 cait           bgkriegel:  i hadn't seen that yet
12:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11593 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , subtag_registry.sql files contain the same information for each language
12:37 bgkriegel      cait: could I have an opinion on Bug 11593?
12:35 bgkriegel      cait: right now, trying to expunge all scrolling_list
12:32 cait           bgkriegel: what are you working on?
12:10 bgkriegel      ok :)
12:09 cait           if you do, let me know - i can add you to my friends list :)
12:08 bgkriegel      need to try it
12:07 cait           I am practicing a bit with duolingo :)
12:07 cait           thx
12:06 tcohen         la
12:06 cait           el moto or la moto?
12:05 tcohen         and hi
12:05 tcohen         nah, I won it
12:05 tcohen         I won't loose :-P
12:05 bgkriegel      hi BTW :)
12:05 bgkriegel      tcohen: you won or won't ? :)
12:04 cait           congrats :)
12:03 tcohen         yesterday I won't my quarter finals match :-D
12:02 cait           ok, so got that right then :)
12:02 tcohen         spain: "vosotros" <-> the rest: "ustedes"
12:02 tcohen         "ustedes"
12:02 cait           so many differences between the countries
12:01 cait           but i think you don't use vosotros? or do you?
12:01 cait           yeah i learned tu
12:01 cait           what are you 2 doing?
12:01 bgkriegel      Mmm, only we (argentina) and Costa Rica use 'vos' for you (second singular). Rest of spanish world use 'tu'
12:00 tcohen         heh
11:59 cait           2pm
11:59 cait           kind of late here too :)
11:59 cait           sloooow
11:59 tcohen         how's your saturday starting?
11:57 cait           right, i think i think too much :)
11:57 cait           ah
11:57 tcohen         "muy bien, también" I'd say
11:56 cait           can i ssay that?
11:56 cait           también
11:55 tcohen         muy bien cait, que tal vos?
11:55 cait           hola tcohen, que tal?
11:54 cait           thx a lotfor taking this one on:)
11:42 bgkriegel      few scrolling_lists now, almost finished
11:39 bgkriegel      well, you can try a little here :)
11:38 cait           i really need to learn more spanish... i already start forgetting what i learned in the courses :(
11:37 cait           yep :)
11:36 bgkriegel      :)
11:36 bgkriegel      tampoco is 'neither'
11:35 cait           también and tampoco ?
11:34 cait           i forgot :) i tihnk i need to look into my spanish books more :)
11:34 cait           ohright
11:33 bgkriegel      it's longer :)
11:33 bgkriegel      too = también !
11:33 cait           i don't know ...how to say too :)
11:33 cait           gracias, buen día para ti
11:32 bgkriegel      hola cait, Buen día para ti :)
11:31 cait           hola bgkriegel :)
11:30 bgkriegel      hola #koha
11:22 cait           we are not so formal here :)
11:20 aman           sir.. coz u know lot more than me in koha :)
11:19 cait           why sir? :)
11:19 aman           i will also prefer same :)
11:19 aman           thanks
11:19 cait           but i'd try to start over - not trying to repair
11:19 aman           ok thats anyways sir
11:19 cait           it's really a bit hard to tell what went wrong
11:19 cait           hm they wouldn't be affected by this
11:18 aman           patrons too :(
11:18 cait           if it's only search being werid, yes
11:18 aman           can the error be this only coz i have not indexed..
11:18 cait           you run a command, but it differes from a package install to a tarball installation
11:17 aman           oh..
11:17 cait           it depends on how you installed your koha
11:17 cait           hm that's command line
11:17 aman           ok.. and sir, i m unaware of indexing, how is it done?
11:17 cait           you overwrite it completely
11:16 cait           all settings from the old db don't matter
11:16 cait           you replace one database with another
11:16 cait           if youwork with dumpms
11:16 cait           nope
11:16 aman           cait.. usually if i have 2 systems with same koha version, can i have the exact copy on DB dump or i need to set library or things prior to DUMP process
11:15 cait           but probably i wouldn't feel safe using a database that showed strange behaviour after an import attempt - you don' tknow what might be missing
11:15 cait           i'd start and try to find out what went wrong there or start from scratch
11:15 cait           a full db dump should give you all data and no more migrations needed apart fromrebuilding the indexes
11:14 aman           then i must be missing some steps surely.. hmm the csv is actually not accessible for me as i m learning koha.. making a trial system..
11:13 cait           normally you do a csv import when you start out - toold > import patrons - you can download a file there to help get you started
11:12 cait           hmm they would be included if the db dump worked correctly
11:12 aman           ok.. and also i need to ask that how can i import patrons? the patrons were uploaded on that pc but even on DB dump, no patrons were imported
11:11 cait           the zebra indeses are kept outside of the db - so you import and do a full zebra reindex
11:11 cait           but you will need to reindex
11:11 cait           hard to tell
11:11 cait           hm
11:10 aman           actually the results were quiet different, like the search used to gave different result for the books.. thats wierd
11:10 aman           but do i need to do some pre-requisites before importing sql?
11:09 cait           importing a lower version db into a higherversion koha would be ok too - will start the update
11:09 aman           yes the version match
11:09 cait           do the versions match?
11:09 cait           hm dumping the database and reimporting is normally done a lot
11:09 hasenbear      i'll be back if i can't get anywhere with the report.  thanks again!!
11:08 hasenbear      nähe würzburg
11:08 aman           how can i duplicate my koha server.. i mean one server is set fully n customized, the other one, i have installed koha from the bootable koha ubuntu.. Then i tried to dump SQL and import on other pc but the result was not exact
11:08 cait           wo bist du?
11:08 cait           ja :) Konstanz
11:08 hasenbear      thanks! i'll give that a try and see how far i get.  danke dir cait.  du bist doch in BW, oder?  wir sind dann nicht so weit auseinander.
11:06 cait           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
11:06 cait           some inspiration can be found here
11:06 cait           save and run it
11:06 cait           get callnumber from all items, where the callnumber is not empty
11:06 cait           select itemcallnumber from items where itemcallnumber is not NULL;
11:06 cait           and then add soemthing like this in the big field for the sql:
11:06 cait           you give it a name
11:05 hasenbear      :)
11:05 cait           sec
11:05 cait           a form :)
11:05 hasenbear      okay.  and that give me.... what does that give me?
11:04 cait           reports  > saved reports > new from sql
11:04 cait           you could do
11:04 cait           so for soomething quick
11:04 cait           sure :)
11:04 hasenbear      is it something i can read my way into?
11:04 cait           maybe try something easy for a start
11:04 cait           it all works from the gui
11:03 cait           you don't need to access the server
11:03 cait           you can write sql reports within koha
11:03 cait           ah
11:03 hasenbear      but i have to have access to the sql module to do it externally?
11:02 cait           you need to figure out what works best for you
11:02 cait           hm both ways are ok
11:02 cait           there were some problems with utf-8 data in the pdfs in the past
11:02 hasenbear      so what would you suggest?
11:02 cait           maybe diacritics - there are ways to make it work now i think
11:01 cait           ah
11:01 hasenbear      so i can't print them out
11:01 hasenbear      but the pdf keeps crashing
11:01 hasenbear      i had the patron cards configured (now have less hair)
11:01 cait           but it's a lot to configure and try out to get it right i think
11:01 cait           i think it seems to work well for some
11:01 cait           we don't use the labels modules, so i can not advice much there
11:00 hasenbear      no unfortunately not.  i'm not the admin
11:00 hasenbear      since i was advised not to print patron cards on koha i thought i'd just try doing it all externally
11:00 cait           are you familiar with sql?
11:00 cait           i'd suggest taking a look at the reports module
10:59 hasenbear      i know i can but have been having trouble getting it to format just right.
10:59 cait           so you'd do something like.... select callnumber from items where ...
10:59 cait           you know that you can print labels within koha as well? (just checking)
10:59 cait           you can do sql reports with koha
10:58 hasenbear      creature of habit :)
10:58 hasenbear      so. dumb question.  how do i do the report?
10:58 cait           your nick sounded suspicious
10:58 cait           me too
10:58 cait           ah ok :)
10:58 hasenbear      thanks again for that
10:58 hasenbear      we've talked before cait, you helped with a problem i had with zebra
10:57 hasenbear      in germany
10:57 cait           where are you from hasenbear?
10:57 cait           it would give you an ods spreadsheet, csv or json if you want to automate something
10:57 cait           hmi think you can use a report to do that
10:57 hasenbear      hello out there.  is it possible to export call numbers for printing with an external program?
07:31 rangi          cya later :)
07:31 ashimema       laters
07:31 ashimema       anywho.. I'm ofski before the misses tells me off ;)
07:31 ashimema       gitlab is mostly ruby.. wasn't expecting that..
07:31 ashimema       indeed.
07:30 rangi          yeah stupid timezones
07:24 ashimema       have fun rangi.. nice to chat to you.. we don't often seem to overlap on IRC these days :(
07:24 rangi          :)
07:24 ashimema       right.. it's the weekend here.. I should probably go do weekend stuff with the family
07:21 rangi          so shouldnt be hard to write one
07:21 rangi          bugzilla outputs everything as xml
07:20 ashimema       :(
07:20 rangi          doesnt seem to be an importer from bugzilla at the moment
07:19 ashimema       not sure that worked when I first saw them make the switch
07:19 ashimema       aha.. of course.. biblbire do have lots of 'public projects' https://git.biblibre.com/public/projects
07:19 ashimema       worth a play though.. I like keeping options open ;)
07:19 ashimema       Migration would need a whole community 'go for it'.. technically I imagine it's not too hard.. but getting everyone to switch and agree to the switch.. more so..
07:17 ashimema       At the moment I think it's locked down to requireing an account at least..
07:17 ashimema       I'm sure if you asked nicely Joubu/PaulP would give you an account to play with form a user perspective on their one..
07:17 rangi          the trick would be migrating
07:17 ashimema       indeed..
07:14 rangi          ill have to get it running to test it out sometime
07:11 ashimema       in a breif.. very brief.. play, gitlab seems to have the edge over gitorious for me.
07:09 ashimema       gitlab is really interesting.
07:09 ashimema       every time i'm more impressed.. though it's development seems to have slowed a bit of late to me?
07:08 rangi          gitlab looks interestin
07:08 ashimema       I've had a play with gitorious a few times..
07:08 rangi          just missing the status of a patch type idea
07:07 rangi          it does all the merge requests etc
07:06 rangi          https://gitorious.org/~ranginu
07:05 ashimema       https://about.gitlab.com/
07:05 ashimema       ah.. githlab is what they're using now.
07:05 rangi          i use it for my projects, and mahara use it
07:04 ashimema       it's such a shame github isn't open (even more of a shame that they have some other questionable hiring stances).  As a product for git github is pretty hard to beat.
07:04 rangi          might be
07:04 ashimema       it's gitorious that biblibre are using now isn't it?
07:03 ashimema       would be interesting to find out.
07:01 rangi          i wonder if gitorious are working on that
07:01 rangi          yeah
07:01 ashimema       i'de like to see one of the open source github'ish ones out there include some gerrit like features..
07:00 ashimema       yeah.. I have to admit my playing with gerrit lead me to thinking it was 'too hard' for your average joe
07:00 rangi          gerrit + sandboxes might work
07:00 rangi          ashimema_zzzzz: yeah, i had a gerrit running at kohacon12 ... its a bit of a steep learning curve for people who want to do sign offs
05:36 ashimema_zzzzz I'm not suggesting we jump in any time soon though.. bugzilla works well for us.. just feels a tad dated.. but it works well and has worked well for us for some time and has worked well for many other projects too ;)
05:36 ashimema_zzzzz my envisages way to make pull requests workflow work, would have indeed included a gerrit or similar middle step for quality control ;)
05:35 ashimema_zzzzz and i did say that our workflow work.. so lets not break it in the original comment..
05:34 ashimema_zzzzz indeed.. i was more thinking I like the pull request workflow, than specifically tying it to github.. ;) I agree with all you say there..
05:34 ashimema_zzzzz Hi rangi..