Time Nick Message 00:04 eythian next Debian freeze date is the 5th of November. I'm hoping to get any Koha dependencies in by then, but if there's something that's currently overlooked in the packages, it's time to either let me know or join the Debian Perl team and do it yourself :) 00:05 rangi eythian: we should try to get the catmandu stuff in 00:05 rangi in preparation at least 00:05 eythian yeah 00:05 eythian I made a start on that, need to do a bit more. 00:06 eythian Maybe that can be a a quiet friday task or something. 00:06 rangi yeah good idea 00:13 bag oh get in that one dependencie that makes me espresso in the morning 00:13 bag I could use that one 00:14 bag and the one that makes a nice roast beef sandwich for lunchies :D 00:14 eythian it's probably in unstable already 00:14 eythian https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=libbusiness-issn-perl <-- I wonder if anything other than Koha uses this... 00:14 bag probably not 00:14 rangi maybe evergreen 00:15 eythian hmm possibly yeah 00:15 bag oh rangi you see the new hobbit trailer? 00:15 rangi not yet 00:16 rangi however im not sure evergreen has a package install yet, id suspect most of those 500ish are koha 00:17 rangi popcon is yet another good reason to get koha proper into debian :) 00:17 rangi we are pretty much set on the copyright headers now 00:18 rangi basically need to learn debconf and get it to the point where an install can result in a working koha (or at least one where you can do the web based install to finish off) 00:18 eythian yeah 00:18 eythian I've got plans for that. 00:18 rangi sweet 00:19 dcook :D 00:19 rangi unlikely we can get it done by november tho eh? 00:19 eythian I'd expect so, unless all our work dries up but everyone keeps paying us :) 00:19 rangi heh 00:19 * dcook is curious about the motivation for getting Koha into Debian 00:19 * dcook also lols 00:20 rangi 1/ it then comes under scrutiny of the debian security team 00:20 rangi 2/ it will flow through into ubuntu 00:21 eythian n/ it'll be forced to match Debian policy better 00:21 rangi 3/ it will force us to be more careful about dependencies we add 00:21 rangi and yep that 00:21 wahanui i guess yep that is what I see when I go into circ rules. 00:21 eythian n+1/ it'll be a whole lot easier to install with absolutely no hoops for the distro version. 00:21 rangi *nod* 00:21 rangi click click and down (in ubuntu land) 00:21 rangi down=done 00:22 dcook Sounds good to me :) 00:23 eythian I'd also like to get the koha package beat into shape, I just don't quite know how to do it. 00:23 bag I don't know - having it be impossible to install still sounds like the way to go 00:23 bag bag-- 00:23 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 00:23 bag heh 00:23 eythian heh 00:23 rangi one company tried that already 00:23 bag boo to that company 00:23 rangi now they arent even listed in the dropdown of major vendors 00:24 bag boo to a drop down 00:24 dcook I was thinking a bit about that 00:25 dcook In terms of business, I imagine it would actually be in the best interest of businesses to make it easier to install Koha 00:25 bag totally :) 00:26 bag plus in the interest of helping those that really need this :) 00:26 bag easy to install - easier to update 00:26 dcook Totes 00:27 rangi *nod* 00:27 dcook I helped some friends in Canada install Koha for a small library of theirs 00:27 bag cool 00:27 dcook It was fairly easy, but it would've been nicer to have the install go a bit smoother 00:27 rangi i did 8 installs in 37 minutes last friday 00:27 rangi using the packages 00:27 wahanui using the packages is better anyway 00:27 bag so has anyone else offerred up to host kohacon15? 00:27 dcook Nice one, rangi! 00:27 rangi most of it was teh webinstaller 00:27 dcook rangi: Yeah, the first thing I said was "use the packages" 00:27 dcook They didn't use the packages. 00:27 dcook I told them to start over and use the packages. 00:27 rangi theres a bug i want someone to sign off on 00:27 rangi that will make that faster 00:28 dcook They started over and used the packages, and said they should've listened from the start ;) 00:28 dcook rangi: Oh? Which is that? 00:28 bag dcook++ 00:28 rangi bug 12658 00:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12658 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Needs Signoff , Select all options on installer screen 00:28 rangi right, curry time 00:30 dcook Mmm curry 00:30 dcook bag: Uh oh. Now I should do something to deserve that :p 00:31 bag you did - you helped install koha :) 00:31 bag dcook++ 00:33 dcook Ah, well. They seem to be enjoying it :) 00:33 dcook Totally volunteer run as well :D 00:34 dcook Well, the library at least 00:34 dcook Actually, I was thinking of using my current install at home to keep track of books I borrow from friends :p 00:48 dcook It's a bit scary when you start to recognize version specific bugs in IE...and remember how to fix them 00:48 * dcook shudders 01:03 eythian wizzyrea has IE problems. She should tell dcook about them. 01:03 dcook I got 99 problems, and they're all with IE> 01:03 dcook I got 99 problems, and they're all with IE. 01:03 dcook I thought wizzyrea had resolved the IE problems she was having though? 01:07 eythian There's always more IE problems. 01:07 dcook Purdy much 01:10 dcook I must say though...loving Bootstrap 01:10 dcook It really does make this a million times easier 01:11 dcook That said...I haven't been asked to replicate the style of a horrible webpage yet, so... fingers crossed 01:11 * dcook may have just provoked Murphy to get on enforcing his law now though... 01:32 wizzyrea do I? 01:32 wizzyrea no I have Safari on iPad problems. 01:33 eythian wizzyrea: slow cataloguing thingamie 01:33 wizzyrea kind of but not really the same thing. 01:33 wizzyrea oh. well that too :( 01:33 wizzyrea oh you mean not just *today* 01:33 wizzyrea :P 01:36 wizzyrea but yeah, dcook: ie 11, slow cataloguing saves -- have you seen that? 01:36 wizzyrea server responds quickly, IE takes ages to render it 01:37 dcook Hmm 01:37 dcook Which version of Koha? 01:37 wahanui Which version of Koha are you using? 01:38 wizzyrea this'll be.... 3.12 I think but let me check 01:38 dcook Oh cataloguing. I thought you were saying circulation. 01:38 wizzyrea yeah 3.12.10 01:38 dcook Umm...now that I've noticed but it wouldn't surprise me. 01:38 dcook now = not* 01:38 wizzyrea I can tell you it's all true1 01:38 wizzyrea ! 01:38 dcook hehe 01:38 dcook I believe you! 03:19 rangi Now a days most of the queries are regarding installation of Koha, DSpace 03:19 rangi and CMS in the same server. 03:19 rangi they have a different understanding of most 03:19 rangi than i do 03:48 wizzyrea must be a thing where he/she's from 03:48 wizzyrea joomla! 03:48 wizzyrea shudder. 03:50 bag my guess is he 03:50 bag hola wizzyrea 03:50 bag how's trea? 03:54 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 03:54 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (1:30 PM EST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 03:54 dcook 25...I believe it. It's rather warm out there... 03:54 eythian @wunder timaru, nz 03:54 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:54 eythian @wunder timaru, new zealand 03:54 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:55 eythian well, I suppose that's to be expected from timaru 03:55 eythian @wunder nzwn 03:55 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (3:30 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 03:55 rangi @wunder nztu 03:55 huginn rangi: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:55 dcook @wunder regina,sk 03:55 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 03:55 dcook @wunder regina, canada 03:55 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 03:55 dcook @wunder yqr 03:55 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is 22.0°C (9:00 PM CST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 03:56 rangi @wunder nzou 03:56 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Pembroke Oamaru, Oamaru, New Zealand is 21.0°C (3:56 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: . Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 03:56 rangi close enough :) 03:56 eythian also ridiculously warm 03:56 dcook Ooo, that sounds nice too 03:56 dcook Whereabouts is that? 03:56 bag @wunder 93102 03:56 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside (Gillespie), Santa Barbara, California is 20.0°C (8:56 PM PDT on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 03:56 eythian for the lower part of the south island 03:56 rangi in the middle of winter 03:56 dcook bag: I seem to recall you saying it was 21 most of the year? 03:57 eythian dcook: nowhere that should be that warm 03:57 dcook eythian: Wow...that's...wow 03:57 bag dcook: usually 03:57 eythian @wunder dunedin, new zealand 03:57 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:57 eythian @wunder nzdn 03:57 huginn eythian: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:57 eythian ... 03:57 dcook O_o 03:58 eythian anyway, I used to live near there. This time of year, I'd expect 0°-5°, maybe hitting 10° on a nice day. 03:58 rangi @wunder nznv 03:58 huginn rangi: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 03:58 dcook huginn doesn't like nz today? 03:58 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 03:58 bag dcook: it's usually ridiculously pleasant here 03:58 dcook hehe 03:58 rangi @wunder nzrc 03:58 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 03:58 eythian dcook: on the other hand, here in wellington we're expecting 100kph winds this evening 03:58 wizzyrea @wunder 66047 03:58 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 19.5°C (10:58 PM CDT on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 03:58 dcook eythian: I think I know someone who spent a lot of time in Dunedin. North Island? 03:58 eythian south 03:59 eythian quite far south 03:59 rangi @wunder bluff nz 03:59 wizzyrea 19 is cool for kansas this time of year 03:59 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Suburban City, Invercargill, New Zealand is 14.6°C (3:59 PM NZST on July 31, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000 hPa (Falling). 03:59 rangi thats pretty close to as far south as you can go 03:59 wizzyrea 14! 03:59 dcook That makes sense 03:59 bag yeah but it's 11pm in kansas 03:59 wizzyrea but, it's July 03:59 wizzyrea it's usually closer to 30 03:59 bag at night? 03:59 dcook At 11pm? 03:59 bag ouch 03:59 wizzyrea can be in july 03:59 dcook Dang 03:59 dcook Good ol' midwest 04:00 bag hey wizzyrea how's trea doing? 04:00 wizzyrea sick atm 04:00 bag tell I said - happy birthday 04:00 wizzyrea :( 04:00 * dcook does remember quite a few rather warm nights in the prairies 04:00 bag oh bummer 04:00 wizzyrea lol. 04:00 * dcook swears trea is always sick 04:00 * dcook is also sick atm though 04:00 wizzyrea hm. 04:00 bag oh bummer 04:00 bag get better dcook 04:00 wizzyrea he does get sick a few times a winter for sure. 04:00 dcook Thanks, bag :) 04:00 dcook get better, trea, where ever you are.. 04:01 dcook wherever* 04:01 dcook English is weird.. 04:01 wizzyrea he better be at home in bed. 04:01 wizzyrea that's where I left him anyway ^.^ 04:01 dcook Poor fellow.. 04:01 * dcook actually went to the doctor for the first time ever in Australia on Sunday 04:02 dcook Weird paying to see the doctor... 04:02 * dcook has never associated doctor and credit card together in his life... 04:02 wizzyrea was it expensive? 04:02 wizzyrea it's ~20 for spud, ~40 for grownfolk at our GP 04:02 eythian dcook: do you not have medicaid? 04:03 dcook In that case, yes 04:03 dcook eythian: Nope. I'm a foreigner. 04:03 dcook twas 85 04:03 dcook But...I do have private insurance, so I should get it refunded once I fill out a claim 04:03 eythian ah right 04:03 dcook But of course I already pay more than 85 a month... so... yeah... 04:03 wizzyrea at our doctor in the states, if we hadn't had insurance 04:03 rangi hey Francesca http://irc.koha-community.org/ <--- the top menu is looking a little crazy 04:03 wizzyrea it would have been ~240 for a doctor visit. 04:03 dcook wizzyrea: Ouch... 04:03 dcook Yeah, 85 was for a Sunday consult 04:04 dcook Not really that bad for a random stranger 04:04 wizzyrea hm yeah, out of hours consults are not cheap. 04:04 Francesca ok thats weird I'm pretty sure that was working last time I checked 04:05 rangi (going down instead of across .. at least on firefox anyway) 04:05 bag wizzyrea: trea playing for the Mets http://media.nj.com/mets_main/photo/mets-lucas-duda-1jpg-9b012c585578e82c.jpg 04:05 dcook rangi: chrome too 04:06 dcook That sun really is invigorating... 04:07 * dcook can't wait to get better so that he can go outside and play 04:08 wizzyrea lol bag 04:09 bag So trea is usually cheered in our house. Ginny calls him (lucas duda) - tree... more tree - hit... more tree - hit 04:10 wizzyrea omg that's awesoem. 04:10 wizzyrea awesome* 04:10 wizzyrea ginny++ 04:10 bag yeah he's well loved :) 04:10 Francesca Chris I added a fix for the menu and pushed it 04:10 rangi cool will pull now 04:11 rangi done .. still doenst seem happy for me 04:12 Francesca nah its still not working. I'll try something different 04:19 Francesca ok I committed some more changes. Do you want to see if that will work once you've pulled it? 04:20 rangi will do 04:21 rangi whoops, syntax error 04:21 Francesca sorry I saw that 04:23 Francesca I don't think it likes html5 for some reason 04:24 eythian sounds like IE 04:24 rangi it needs to be DOCTYPE i think 04:25 * dcook is still working on IE 04:25 dcook Oh, IE7. Why don't you like this absolute positioned div? 04:26 dcook Oh, IE7. Why do you require an absolute positioned div as well? 04:26 eythian it's just full of hate 04:26 dcook I figure it's more of a trickster than a hater. 04:26 dcook It takes joy out of this. 04:26 eythian sadistic joy 04:27 dcook Without a doubt 04:27 dcook The same sort of joy I get when I finally get it to do the right thing. 04:54 ashimema morning all 05:04 dcook heya ashimema 05:04 wahanui hmmm... ashimema is on qa now .) 05:04 ashimema hi dcook 05:13 * dcook has been staring at IE for so long that he doesn't even remember what he was doing anymore 05:13 dcook hey cait :) 05:14 eythian hi cait 05:14 eythian dcook: it's taking your mind, next it'll take your soul! 05:14 * cait waves 05:16 dcook eythian: In that case, I think it might be time to call it a day with IE 05:16 * dcook is sure that he has other non-IE things in his inbox to work on... 05:17 dcook Ah...just remembered another Dspace thing to work on... 05:17 dcook Don't have to do it in IE though. Muahahaha. 05:17 dcook Yep, definitely got my mind... 05:36 * cait doesn't feel awake yet 05:36 * dcook either 05:37 * dcook thinks it might be 3:30pm here though 05:37 ashimema me neither cait 05:41 ashimema currently working through getting shibboleth to be happy on the staff client. 05:41 ashimema it's marginally less trivial than I thought. 05:41 ashimema currently I'm really struggling to work out at what point Context has 'interface' set. 05:42 ashimema as well as whats the difference between use C4::Context and C4::Context->new 05:43 dcook Well, "use C4::Context" should just load the module and import any exported subs 05:43 dcook Whereas C4::Context->new should make a new object instance 05:43 ashimema hmm.. found a worthless line of code in this module I think. 05:44 ashimema I don't think the object created in this case is ever referenced.. 05:44 ashimema yuk 05:44 dcook I seem to recall making Context objects when doing stuff with auth as well.. 05:44 dcook Although I'm not sure I had to in retrospect 05:44 ashimema indeed.. 05:44 dcook Because if you call a sub like so "C4::Context::SUB()" 05:44 ashimema completely nuking the line leave shibboleth completely intact. 05:44 ashimema that's 'nice' 05:44 dcook It doesn't need to be used an object method and it doesn't need to be exported 05:45 dcook As for the interface question... 05:45 ashimema indeed 05:45 ashimema found that too.. 05:45 dcook not sure what you meant by it anyway :) 05:45 ashimema get's set at the top of get_template_and_user 05:45 ashimema there's a 05:45 dcook Ah, I thought that might be what you meant 05:45 dcook "type" and all that 05:46 ashimema indeed. 05:46 dcook Well done! :D 05:46 ashimema So.. I think I can rely on getting type from context which make the staff client patch nice and simple now :) 05:48 dcook Probably reliable :) 06:11 ashimema @later tell pianohacker thanks for the upload, greatly appreciated. One last question on the staff client shib.. do you setup the staff client as a second service provider? 06:11 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 06:13 cait bug 10900? 06:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context 06:15 cait the qa queue looks pretty scary this morning 06:19 cait all time consuming to test 06:27 ashimema yikes 06:27 ashimema sensible patch though.. 06:27 ashimema I like consistency 06:27 marcelr hi #koha 06:27 cait hi mar 06:28 cait hi marcelr :) 06:28 marcelr hi cait :) 06:40 dcook Bah...no xinclude available even though it would make this process so much easier... 06:40 * dcook grumbles 06:41 ashimema not your day aye dcook 06:41 dcook I suppose the one handy thing about Java is that it's so cumbersome that you don't make any little tweaks in the moment 06:41 dcook Which probably helps with long-term maintainability... 06:41 dcook ashimema: Well, I think I resolved all my IE bugs, so that was good 06:41 dcook Had tons of chocolate... 06:41 dcook Suppose I can't complain too much :) 06:42 ashimema :) 06:44 * cait has to run bbiab 06:52 alex_a bonjour 06:52 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:04 matts hello 07:07 ashimema good morning matts 07:16 fridolin hie all 07:18 cait good morning 07:20 BobB hi cait 07:21 BobB its evening here :) 07:31 cait hi BobB :) 07:31 cait how are you? 07:59 paul_p hello #koha 08:00 paul_p rangi I see you booked coralt hotel (as well as Nicole). Is it http://www.agoda.com/en-ca/coralt-apartment/hotel/cordoba-ar.html ? (ie: an appartment) 08:00 paul_p rangi (oups... hello first) 08:03 paul_p if yes, sounds a very good deal... 08:03 paul_p for Jonathan & me 08:13 petter hi #koha 09:22 matts ashimema, I've successfully tested your patch, and have it signed-off :) 09:22 ashimema matts++ you are a hero mate! 09:22 ashimema Thanks! 09:23 matts You're welcome :) Also, thanks to cait for providing shib support :) 09:25 cait matts++ :) 09:25 cait matts: i can add the sign off line later too i thik 09:26 cait ashimema: so docs and tests now? 09:31 ashimema the docs in the patch are good enough to start.. thought we still need to copy accross your notes into w wiki page. 09:31 ashimema and yes.. I still need to write some tests before it'll get accepted into master.. 09:31 ashimema :( 09:31 ashimema tests are hard. 09:35 cait they are 09:35 cait not sure i feel confident about my notes 09:35 cait i think you changed soemthing about the configuration in koha-conf after? 09:36 ashimema I did indeed.. 09:37 ashimema I'll throw an updated cleansed version onto the koha wiki. 10:50 gerundio good morning 10:50 gerundio general perl question: what does the "//=" operator do? 10:59 gerundio as in "$config->{with_hours} //= 0;" at https://github.com/digibib/koha-work/blob/master/Koha/Template/Plugin/KohaDates.pm#L31 11:05 bgkriegel Hi 11:05 wahanui hola, bgkriegel 11:08 ashimema cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Shibboleth_Configuration 11:08 ashimema that ok to you? 11:08 ashimema gerundo.. 11:08 cait just got back from lunch. looking nice 11:08 ashimema I think it does an 'if undefined then set to 0' 11:09 ashimema for {with_hours} 11:09 ashimema cait.. matts signed off.. 11:09 cait yep was still here when he did that .) 11:09 ashimema you saw.. but I'm still super happy about it :) 11:09 cait ashimema: you need to add a category to fix navigation on that wiki page *sigh* 11:10 ashimema indeed.. it's currenlty not linked from anywhere whilst I was writting it. 11:10 ashimema I 'hate' our categories too ;) 11:11 cait yep 11:15 ashimema ack.. 11:15 ashimema that stupid plugin to add categories gets in the way of adding categories half the time..! 11:15 ashimema it hides the wiki page source.. 11:15 ashimema bloody thing! 11:19 ashimema I've asked galen if we can get that removed.. 11:19 ashimema it makes tidying up the wiki almost impossible. 11:23 gerundio ashimema, thanks for explanation on the //= operator 11:25 cait ashimema: i dislike it a lot too 11:25 cait all the scrolling to preview and save... gah. 11:25 ashimema indeed.. 11:25 ashimema it also blocks you from adding categories manually.. 11:25 ashimema so you end up screwing the pooch 12:13 cait marcelr++ 12:13 cait thanks a lot! 12:13 marcelr :) 12:21 kivilahtio Do you have any idea is screen scraping our own data illegal from a closed source vendors system? 12:22 kivilahtio I guess not but what kind of experiences do you have? 12:34 tcohen mormorning! #koha 12:35 cait hi tcohen :) 12:35 tcohen hi there 12:35 wahanui kia ora, tcohen 12:35 tcohen whatsup wahanui 12:36 tcohen bye paul_p 12:37 oleonard Hi all 12:38 cait hi oleonard :) 12:46 nengard cait what hotel are you staying in for kohacon? 12:46 nengard rangi said it was the same one as him - which is the same one as me and Brian :) 12:47 nengard and of course good morning all :) 12:47 * nengard was excited to find out 12:54 * oleonard is staying at Hotel Sadness, located conveniently on Not Going to KohaCon Avenue. 12:57 tcohen oleonard: come to argentina, please 12:57 oleonard I wish I could! 12:57 * ashimema is also checking into Hotel Sadness :( 12:58 oleonard Oh cool I'll see you for breakfast ashimema ;) 13:00 ashimema :'( 13:00 ashimema indeed 13:20 * cait is now sad too 13:20 cait nengard: you already know it :) 13:21 nengard cool 13:22 cait the only thing tha towrries me a bit is that it's bigger than my apartment here... 13:23 cait i might get lost :) 13:25 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard got a sec for some bootstrap help?" (71 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/126 13:26 nengard cait that's funny! It will be like a luxury vacation for you :) 13:26 cait yep :) 13:26 nengard i'm just happy about the washer/dryer 13:26 nengard means I can pack less 13:27 cait also looking forward to that kitchen 13:27 nengard we can take turns cooking each other dinners :) hehe 13:27 cait as long as you don't expect 'typical German' food :) 13:28 nengard I don't know what 'typical' German food is :) 13:28 nengard so that's a-ok 13:29 oleonard nengard: I'm looking 13:29 nengard :) 13:29 rhcl good german food -> http://wienerschnitzel.com/ 13:29 nengard okay ... that does not appeal to me 13:29 rhcl no? 13:29 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg 13:30 nengard LOL 13:30 nengard love it 13:30 cait um.... 13:30 nengard No, I'm not a big meat eater 13:30 nengard and putting meat on top of meat does not strike my fancy 13:31 rhcl I suppose you could get a double Sauerkraut on a bun? 13:32 nengard yum 13:32 cait i guss it's time to organize kohacon in germany... so you all get some first hand experience :) 13:33 nengard yes!!!! 13:33 nengard 2016 in Germany! 13:34 cait :) 13:36 JesseM Cant wait cait 13:36 JesseM :) 13:36 oleonard nengard: Your .span12 div needs to be inside its own .row-fluid div 13:37 oleonard nengard: Also note that you're missing a style attribute declaration in that answerland <img> 13:38 nengard thank you!!! 13:38 nengard I was thinking in terms of tables and colspan I guess when I did the header in the same row-fluid 13:41 nengard and i don't see style2 defined in their css, so i'm not sure what they wanted that to be ... off to hunt it down 13:42 JesseM @later tell larryb This carnegie needs an update please. This is a HIGH priority for them. http://ticket.bywatersolutions.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=17856 13:42 huginn JesseM: The operation succeeded. 13:43 JesseM oops :P 13:45 ashimema haha.. wrong channel JesseM? 13:45 ashimema btdt 13:46 JesseM Yep! :) 13:46 JesseM too many irc channels open at once 13:48 * druthb points and laughs at JesseM. 13:48 druthb :P 13:49 JesseM Thanks druthb :) 13:49 druthb Welcome. :) 13:49 JesseM How are you Ruth? 13:49 druthb I know you've missed that. :P 13:49 druthb I'm good! 13:50 druthb Busy busy—three releases a year is keeping us jumpin around here. 13:50 JesseM oh I bet. busy busy busy 13:51 ashimema anyone here able to point me to a test which mocks koha config nicely for me to copy ;) 13:51 druthb yep. We just had the release party for the second of them last night—and code freeze for the third one is just over a month away. 13:57 Mahdi hi there. I have koha running on a debian squeeze environment. if I want to upload an alternative logo for the OPAC where can i copy the file to? 13:57 cait tcohen maybe? 13:58 cait Mahdi: you can do that with CSS - you can have the file anywhere, but i'd put it on the same server 13:59 Mahdi yeah so if i want to put it up on the server 13:59 Mahdi i just need to copy into some apache folder 13:59 Mahdi ? 14:18 oleonard Mahdi: You could add the image to a web-accessible folder on the server or you could put the file on another web server and refer to it there. 14:22 oleonard bgkriegel++ # thanks for the follow-ups! 14:23 bgkriegel np :) 14:23 bgkriegel fixing them now 14:32 tcohen ashimema: what do u want to mock? 14:33 ashimema i've just remembered you've done pretty much what I want in the ldap testing work you pointed me to before.. 14:33 ashimema I'm mocking a shibboleth config so I can test against it. 14:37 tcohen let me know if i can be of help 14:37 * tcohen heads to continue that LDAP mocking s*t 14:37 ashimema :) 14:37 ashimema indeed.. it's not simple is it.. 14:37 ashimema i was close.. assuming your stuff works of course ;) 14:38 ashimema just making mine attempt match your a bit more closely. 14:44 tcohen mine *almost* works 14:44 tcohen heh 14:44 ashimema yeah.. mine too. 14:44 ashimema but not quite! 14:45 tcohen i'm struggling with the mocked object not respecting changes in the global variables 14:45 ashimema I'm trying to mock a very similar data structure.. 14:45 ashimema seeing as I copied the config layout form ldap for consistency! 14:45 ashimema I se. 14:45 ashimema I see 14:54 ashimema hmm. 15:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12174 follow-up of the patch (a missing print statement) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7123eeccf87f3b53fb05f6b3fea0fecbec3ab232> / Bug 12174 - Zotero connection with Koha: problem with UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec44d407d5597fe6e49677b083c606d1e57f5ef7> / Bug 12568 [QA Followup] - Use ':' as separator instead of '|' <http://git.koha-community 15:11 gerundio bug 12669? 15:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , "Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone" 15:12 gerundio can anyone check my last comment on that bug and see if that would solve the problem without creating additional issues? 15:22 tcohen gerundio: it looks good to me 15:22 gerundio tcohen, nice 15:26 tcohen it is consistent with colin's idea, so, i'm ok with that 15:38 gerundio I missed one there, just added another small fix on other code entry 15:38 gerundio the principle remains the same 15:38 tcohen gerundio: will you provide a proper patch? 15:39 gerundio I'm still not sure if this solution might affect the behaviour of date handling on other koha features 15:40 gerundio tcohen, I don't have a propper Koha development environment set up 15:51 oleonard khall: You picked a good day to send a patch for Bug 12507 15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12507 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , News does not always display in staff or OPAC 15:52 gerundio tcohen, I've went through http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SubmitingAPatch 15:52 gerundio but I'm not sure which repository to clone in order to submit the patch 15:52 tcohen gerundio: i'm about to leave for lunch 15:53 tcohen gerundio: strictly follow the "Version Control for Koha using Git" section on the first link 15:53 cait gerundio: patches shoudl always be submitted for th emaster branch 15:53 cait and what tcohen said :) 15:54 tcohen gerundio, the bits that say how to do some work 15:54 tcohen just do 15:54 tcohen git checkout origin/master -b bug_12669_tz_error 15:55 gerundio ok, thanks 15:55 tcohen to create a branch called bug_12669_tz_error 15:55 tcohen that sits on top of master 16:02 ashimema or even better.. set your local branch to track too 16:02 ashimema git checkout origin/master -b bug_12669_tz_error --track origin/master 16:02 ashimema that way a 'git pull --rebase' will keep your patch up to date to apply atop master 16:03 gerundio cait, ashimema but I have to start with "git clone http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git ...", right? 16:04 tcohen doesn't the checkout imply --track? 16:06 cait tcohen: not sure, but i never do any specific tracking, so maybe 16:06 ashimema I don't believe so 16:07 ashimema or maybe there's somthing wrong with my setup 16:07 cait hm yeah, i use git rebase -i origin/master... 16:07 cbrannon I am attempting to setup a test box for Koha. I am in debian and use "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone", but I get a connection refused error. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? FYI, I've never used debian before today. 16:07 ashimema you your explicitly telling git to rebase against.. where as my pull is using the track in the config 16:07 ashimema anywho. 16:13 cbrannon Perhaps it is a firewall issue. Trying the http instead. 16:18 cait ashimema: I think you are right :) 16:18 cait ashimema: andi think i shoud learn about tracking to make my life easier :) 16:18 ashimema nice to be right about one thing now and then. 16:19 ashimema I'm stuck at the first hurdle with this shibboleth test.. 16:19 ashimema I can't get it to recognise my mocked config. 16:19 jcamins ashimema: you mean... it's _mocking_ you? 16:19 jcamins Bwahahahahaha!!!! 16:19 ashimema indeed it is. 16:20 ashimema very similar code seems to work for tcohen.. but not for me :( 16:21 cbrannon Fetch failed...couldn't resolve host 'git.koha-community.org' using http. :/ 16:22 cait i think we don't offer http currently for some reason i forgot hm 16:22 jcamins ashimema: not enough 'h's. 16:23 ashimema mm 16:24 cbrannon working it out. Had to jump on our wifi to bypass firewall. It seems to be working now. :) 16:28 cait cbrannon: keeping fingers crossed :) 16:36 barton what's the difference between the syspref 'CircControl' => Use the checkout and fines rules of {specify branch info} and HomeOrHoldingBranch => Use the checkout and fines rules of {specify branch info} ... why are these two different variables? 16:37 cait barton: i am not sure if anyone knows 16:37 cait there is a bug for that 16:38 barton That's good. :-) 16:44 barton cait: I found a couple of bugs mentioning HomeOrHoldingBranch and CircControl: Bug 10754 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10754 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , HomeOrHoldingBranch and CircControl are described identically in the system preference editor 16:45 barton and Bug 5159 16:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5159 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , HomeOrHoldingBranch syspref description misleading 16:45 barton Neither of these mention fines.pl, which is where I ran across them :-) 16:46 ashimema mwahahaha.. I have tamed C4::Context->config ! 16:46 barton ashimema++ 16:47 cait ashimema++ 17:00 oleonard cbrannon: I frequently find git is blocked by firewalls. Also: Your wifi bypasses the firewall? :) 17:11 gml Hello, please someone could help me with this. How can I do a benchmark test like the one on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Benchmark_for_3.8 ? 17:18 cbrannon oleonard: public wifi 17:19 cbrannon oleonard: no one cares if the public's devices get hacked ;) 17:37 cait hmsomene aware of a problem with predue messages? 17:37 cait i am testing close to master and i can't generate them the usual way 17:38 cait patron wants them 1 days before due date, checked out something with due date yesterday... ran advance_notices.pl and nothing 17:38 cait due and duedgst are ok 17:40 larryb hello #koha 17:41 larryb is anyone else having problems connecting to the git site? 17:41 larryb I'm getting a connection reset by peer message 17:42 bgkriegel larryb: same for me 17:44 larryb hmmm, the server logs are showing: Jul 31 17:14:26 git git-daemon[24139]: Too many children, dropping connection 17:44 larryb I think git needs a restart 17:47 gml Hello, please someone could help me with this. How can I do a benchmark test like the one on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Benchmark_for_3.8 ? 17:47 larryb okay, I've restarted the git-daemon. It should be working now 18:57 bgkriegel oleonard, around? 18:59 * cait waves 19:00 oleonard yes 19:02 oleonard bgkriegel: ? 19:02 bgkriegel oleonard: Thanks for your sign, now Bug 12686 :) 19:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12686 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Make more selected option XHTML complian 19:03 bgkriegel fixed all I could find 19:54 druthb :/ 19:54 oleonard bgkriegel still around? 19:54 bgkriegel yep 19:55 * cait hands out cookies to everyone still around 19:55 * druthb takes two 19:55 bgkriegel :) 19:55 oleonard bgkriegel: Does Bug 12539 remove a fallback between installed templates? 19:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12539 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove hardcoded theme from C4/Templates.pm 19:56 cait ah 19:56 oleonard Is that why it breaks CCSR? 19:56 bgkriegel yes, that's right 19:56 wahanui I know. 19:56 cait hm that would be a feature break then 19:57 cait if it doesn't allow to still add new templates 19:57 oleonard I agree. While we don't want to officially maintain more than one set of templates, it should be possible to have them. 19:57 cait yeah 19:57 cait people don't have to go crazy, but having one file changed for a specific need would be good 19:58 cait and better than changing the standard files 19:59 jcamins Suggestion: add a syspref to set which theme is the fallback and set it to bootstrap for new installs and prog for upgrades until prog is actually removed. 19:59 bgkriegel that could work 20:00 cait sorry for making it harder for you bgkriegel 20:01 bgkriegel No problem :) 20:02 bgkriegel I'll try to work on it 20:02 cait maybe we could hold back on the patch a bit and just set it to bootstrap? 20:02 cait that woudl make it a bit easier 20:04 bgkriegel or simply add the syspref, set it to prog, and then wait ... 20:04 cait yep 20:07 bgkriegel Ok, I change it to 'In Discussion' until can fix it 20:09 rangi morning 20:11 cait morning rangi :) 20:11 bgkriegel hi rangi 20:24 rangi heh 20:25 rangi designers get those emails all the time, i can totally sympathise with them 20:25 cait hm? 20:25 rangi latest mail to the list 20:40 rangi @later tell Dyrcona feel free to merge your changes whenever you think its functionally equiv ... im happy to wait to do much more until its merged, to avoid conflicts 20:40 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:00 pianohacker hi 21:04 rangi so you know how we have the reports api that hands out json 21:04 rangi http://dashing.io/ 21:05 rangi json reports + dashing = dashboard quite easily 21:07 * rangi drops the mic 21:07 cait hmmmmm 21:11 wizzyrea dahsing is cool. ;) 21:11 wizzyrea dashing even. 21:25 pianohacker ncip? 21:25 wahanui http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails 21:27 rangi also this 21:27 wahanui i think also this is cool 21:28 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTg8lisw2gM 21:29 wizzyrea :/ 21:29 pianohacker haha yup 21:55 rangi i cant tell if that was the wind or an earthquake 21:56 wizzyrea #wellingtonproblems 21:56 rangi because this youtube video has rendered me senseless 21:56 wizzyrea O.O 22:18 eythian hi 22:18 wahanui que tal, eythian 22:19 bgkriegel rangi: uploaded a new version of Bug 12539 22:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12539 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove hardcoded theme from C4/Templates.pm 22:20 rangi bgkriegel++ 22:22 rangi thanks for that 22:23 cait bgkriegel++ :) 22:24 bgkriegel :) 22:31 eythian pianohacker: https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libcgi-compress-gzip-perl FYI 22:31 pianohacker woo! 22:31 pianohacker eythian++ 22:43 dan_ I've found http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy it's a tool for indent *.pm and *.pl, but in the case of *.tt files how is that? Is it used a de-indenting tool for performance purposes? 22:44 dan_ BTW, hi everyone 22:44 rangi dan_: there doesnt seem to be a good .tt linting/tidy tool 22:44 rangi htmltidy makes a mess 22:44 cbrannon dan: howdy 22:44 wahanui hola, cbrannon 22:45 cbrannon wahanui: hello 22:45 wahanui que tal, cbrannon 22:45 pianohacker pretty forgivable, given that these files might have HTML, TT, JS, CSS and if you're unlucky Perl :P 22:45 rangi or xml 22:45 rangi its template toolkit 22:45 pianohacker cbrannon: just to make sure you know, wahanui is a chatbot 22:45 rangi it could be anything 22:45 pianohacker true 22:45 pianohacker do we have any XML TT templates? 22:45 cbrannon ah...that's odd. 22:46 pianohacker wahanui takes some getting used to, but is occasionally useful 22:46 wahanui OK, pianohacker. 22:46 pianohacker coding guidelines? 22:46 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 22:46 pianohacker wahanui? 22:46 wahanui yes, pianohacker? 22:46 dan_ the lack of indenting in *.tt files is intentional, am I right? 22:46 rangi some is, some isn't 22:46 pianohacker there's an ongoing debate about that 22:47 cbrannon so wahanui is intentional. Okay. :) 22:50 eythian it's hard to have a sane autoindent for template toolkit given you're often mixing a few languages. 22:50 eythian Generally it's "whatever makes it the most readable." 22:51 cbrannon Argh! We need a flag in Bugzilla showing what patches are sandbox worthy. I have to pass on so much! :/ 22:53 cait cbrannon: want me to find something for you? 22:54 cbrannon cati: Thanks. I'll search for now. Killing a few minutes before I have to go. 22:54 cait the CGI::scrolling should be doable 22:54 cait hm also 22:54 cait bug 12501 :P 22:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show Dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT results 22:55 cait sorry, too tempting :) 22:55 cait good night all :) 23:36 tcohen hi 23:41 rangi hi tcohen 23:41 tcohen how r u doing rangi 23:41 rangi not too bad, glad it's friday 23:42 dcook ^ 23:44 tcohen ah, still a couple of hours for friday here 23:44 tcohen eythian: i cannot reproduce (on jenkins) the problem you mention 23:45 eythian have you tried it in pbuilder? 23:45 eythian because that ensures a clean environment. 23:45 tcohen nope 23:47 tcohen my guess is that libtest-more-perl has a wrong version 23:48 eythian It's possible 23:48 eythian I'm doing a bit of testing now, seeing if I can break into a properly set up pbuilder environment. 23:51 eythian Though, it might be better to think of it as the test case is written to a wrong version of Test::More 23:53 eythian actually, there is no libtest-more-perl in squeeze 23:54 rangi its part of core 23:54 eythian yeah 23:54 rangi http://perldoc.perl.org/Test/More.html 23:54 rangi has been for a long time 23:54 tcohen but we have subtests awhile ago 23:55 eythian but this one has a syntax error 23:55 tcohen ok 23:55 tcohen i'll provide a fix 23:55 tcohen i trusted jenkins too much i guess 23:59 eythian tcohen: # grep -i VERSION Test/More.pm | head -1 23:59 eythian our $VERSION = '0.92'; 23:59 eythian perl-modules: 23:59 eythian Installed: 5.10.1-17squeeze6