Time  Nick          Message
00:04 dcook         tcohen: ultrasound?
00:04 tcohen        yes
00:04 dcook         Awesome :)
00:04 dcook         How far along now?
00:05 tcohen        19 weeks
00:08 dcook         About halfway then?
00:08 dcook         That's so exciting
00:09 tcohen        it is!
00:09 dcook         :)
00:09 Ant           thanks eythian, i got the DBIx module done
00:52 dcook         [off] Man...LAC sure gives out some really bad passwords for their Z39.50...
00:53 dcook         [off] I suppose it doesn't need to be super secure, but still...it's just a bit awkward
01:38 eythian       3.16.02 packages uploading now.
01:39 eythian       s/ing/ed/
01:42 tcohen        eythian++
02:35 gmcharlt      eythian++
02:35 gmcharlt      [off] dcook: do I need to change the combination of my luggage?
02:40 pianohacker   eythian++
02:40 pianohacker   hit and run karmal
02:42 eythian       dcook: you type in blue
02:44 dcook         Do I/
02:44 dcook         Do I?
02:44 dcook         Hmm, apparently I do for replies
02:44 dcook         I think I shall change that
02:45 dcook         [off] gmcharlt: Nah, they're just often the first password in a hacker's dictionary
02:47 dcook         eythian: fixed
02:47 dcook         Now if only I could fix the threading
02:47 dcook         (in Outlook 2013 :P)
02:48 dcook         eythian: Could you show me what my outgoing email headers look like?
02:48 dcook         Actually, I guess I could to that myself with my personal email..
02:49 dcook         All right. Let's see..
02:50 eythian       dcook: sure, one moment
02:50 dcook         Actually, yeah, if you could send it
02:50 dcook         My current example was no goood
02:51 eythian       emailed, the attachment should contain full headers.
02:55 dcook         Hmm weird
02:55 dcook         I see "References" and "In-Reply-To" in the headers when I replied to my Gmail email
02:55 dcook         But I don't see them in the message that you sent to me
02:56 eythian       yeah, I can't see them there at all.
02:56 eythian       But they sometimes are there
02:56 eythian       when they are there, they're wrong.
03:00 dcook         Hmm
03:10 dcook         Hmm, no idea
03:11 dcook         References looks a bit funny, but it's all there when I try it
03:12 dcook         Although now it appears to have lost the Thread-Index...
03:21 eythian       it sorts your References: entries backwards.
03:21 eythian       Basically, I'm extrapolating from "everyone's works except Paul A's and people using Outlook"
03:22 eythian       and Paul A is using a ridiculously old version of Eudora that should be sent to the server farm.
03:25 dcook         Wow, I haven't used Eudora in years...
03:25 eythian       Neither, not since the first couple of years at uni
03:26 * dcook       looks at the date
03:26 dcook         Yeah, it was almost a decade ago at this point. I wonder if that library still uses Eudora...
03:26 dcook         So the References should have the first reference at the top and each new one should go at the end?
03:26 dcook         Whereas Outlook puts the newest at the start of the References string?
03:37 eythian       dcook: seems to be the case, yeah
03:38 dcook         :S
03:39 dcook         I swear reality doesn't need to be as strange as it is
03:39 * dcook       thinks there must be a trickster god somewhere or something who is teasing us
03:40 eythian       You're using Outlook.
03:40 eythian       Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company.
03:40 eythian       They're an abuse company.
03:40 eythian       They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:40 dcook         It certainly feels that way sometimes.
03:41 dcook         Of course, then you have organizations that only provide their product for Windows.
03:41 dcook         I think Australia might have a web client now for doing taxes and not just a Windows app...
03:41 eythian       Yeah, we don't tend to use those.
03:41 * dcook       almost thought about buying Windows solely for the purpose of doing his taxes
03:42 dcook         Yeah, Canada has heaps of web-based clients for doing tax
03:42 eythian       I have a windows 7 VM I use for testing things in, it was an RC release from Microsoft. Now I think it runs for an hour then tells me it's not genuine and shuts down.
03:42 eythian       Fine for testing
03:42 wizzyrea      @quote add eythian: keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company.
03:42 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #308 added.
03:43 wizzyrea      \o/
03:43 eythian       wizzyrea: you missed the punchline of that quote.
03:43 wizzyrea      it's all a punchline.
03:43 wizzyrea      but I"ll add the complete thing.
03:44 wizzyrea      @quote add eythian: Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company. They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:44 wizzyrea      @quote add eythian: Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company. They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:44 huginn        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #309 added.
03:44 wizzyrea      there we go
03:44 wizzyrea      @quote delete 308
03:44 huginn        wizzyrea: I've exhausted my database of quotes
03:44 wizzyrea      gn
03:44 wizzyrea      hrm.
03:44 wizzyrea      @quote help
03:44 huginn        wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:45 dcook         Technically, RDA might be ready?
03:45 dcook         eythian: Interesting. I have a windows 7 VM for testing as well. It's expired but so far I haven't experienced any consequences. I must not have had it open long enough for it to shut down...
03:47 eythian       it also has a black background and you can't change it.
03:48 dcook         hehe
03:48 dcook         I think mine is blue and tells me how I could reset it via the CLI
03:48 dcook         But to a maximum of 5 times or something
03:48 * dcook       wonders why they wouldn't keep the period 5 times as long and not have the fiddly weird bits
03:49 dcook         I guess this way you could reset it as needed
03:49 dcook         Or...you could just have a free OS
03:49 eythian       yeah
03:49 eythian       mine gets used less than once a year, and it's usually just from when I've modified the windows builder/installer config for an application of mine.
03:50 dcook         :o
03:50 dcook         You support an app that can be installed on Windows?
03:50 eythian       and macos and linux
03:50 dcook         Cross-platform stuff is handy...
03:51 eythian       It's a bit of a pain, every release of OSX breaks something new.
03:51 dcook         :(
03:59 wizzyrea      osx isn't much better than windows these days
03:59 eythian       Windows has been pretty good, I think I started testing it on XP and it's worked solidly til now.
03:59 wizzyrea      (I used to use macs a lot. But not now.)
04:16 jcamins       Why on earth would you use an Apple product for your ebooks?
04:16 jcamins       I have a Mac, and I really like it, but the chances of me using an Apple product for my ebooks are nil.
04:16 wizzyrea      yeah that seems daft.
04:17 jcamins       That's like relying on MS software for access to servers.
04:17 eythian       I have been quite liking google books, I can throw epubs into it from my desktop and they appear on my phone and tablet
04:17 jcamins       eythian: that seems interesting, and I might try it.
04:17 jcamins       But I wouldn't store my library on it.
04:18 jcamins       I'd use it for transmitting books to my phone.
04:18 eythian       yeah
04:18 wizzyrea      yeah, after reading that thing definitely keep backups with an airgap.
04:18 wizzyrea      geeze.
04:18 eythian       reading what thing?
04:18 wizzyrea      sec I'll get it for you
04:18 eythian       huh
04:18 eythian       I thought I had a lost order from book depository
04:18 eythian       looks like I never actually clicked on "checkout"
04:19 wizzyrea      http://thebookpushers.com/2014/07/22/the-tragic-demise-of-an-e-library/
04:20 eythian       erk yeah
04:21 eythian       that's a failure to think ahead going on there
04:21 wizzyrea      also too much trust in one vendor.
04:21 eythian       either that, or the "two types of people: those who keep backups, and those who don't yet" syndrome
04:21 wizzyrea      not vendor
04:21 wizzyrea      of ebooks
04:21 wizzyrea      but vendor of hardware.
04:22 wizzyrea      though I'm not much better, all my mobile-things are google ones :/
04:22 wizzyrea      but I don't keep all of my things in google or trust them to keep them backed up
04:24 eythian       yeah, I have my own on and offsite backups.
04:24 eythian       Which reminds me, I need to rotate them.
04:24 wizzyrea      yeah same
04:25 wizzyrea      ...there's a maori word for ipad.
04:26 wizzyrea      i mean, of course there is
04:27 dcook         If I recall correctly, the French for iPod is iPod
04:27 dcook         It just sounds cooler when you say it in French :p
04:27 jcamins       Grilled cheese and mango lassi. The natural choice for 12:30am.
04:27 * dcook       needs to do off-site personal backups
04:28 dcook         We do off-site backups at work, but I need to know that my cat photos will live on forever
04:28 dcook         jcamins: om nom nom
04:28 dcook         I had the grilled cheese, but not the mango lassi. I do have mango in the freezer at home from last mango season though...
04:29 eythian       dcook: a pair of harddrives and a harddrive dock is what I use.
04:29 eythian       Periodically I swap them between home and work
04:30 jcamins       I swap out two external hard drives, but so far I haven't been keeping one of them off-site.
04:31 dcook         eythian: Yeah, that's what I've been thinking of doing
04:31 dcook         I have a few spare hard drives at home just begging for it
04:31 dcook         begging to be used for that purpose
04:31 dcook         Well...maybe the newer one
04:31 dcook         The older one might just need a new life...
04:32 dcook         jcamins: You never know when your building might go up in flames
04:32 dcook         (preferably with you not inside it of course)
04:32 wizzyrea      http://instagram.com/p/q0I7qOoAd5/?modal=false (can you see that?)
04:32 jcamins       dcook: yeah, but I don't have an office.
04:32 dcook         Dang, mwave has some cheap docks...
04:32 dcook         jcamins: Yeah, that's a downside
04:33 jcamins       wizzyrea: yes I can. What is it?
04:33 wizzyrea      Cuba street in Wellington, earlier today
04:33 eythian       it's the bucket fountain
04:33 wizzyrea      ^
04:33 eythian       the colours have been manipulated a fair bit, I think
04:34 wizzyrea      http://instagram.com/p/q0RgqTAbBB/?modal=true not on this one though, if you can see it.
04:35 wizzyrea      that particular person's photos (the first) are always extremely vividly colour corrected
04:35 wizzyrea      (and/or HDR)
04:35 dcook         Hmm, the spares are IDEs...a SATA/IDE to USB cable might do the trick...
04:36 wizzyrea      http://instagram.com/chelebanks
04:38 dcook         Dang, we rely on C4::Auth to provide the branches loop for the branches pull down in the OPAC...
04:38 eythian       that's terrible
04:38 wizzyrea      the one in the search header?
04:38 dcook         wizzyrea: yep
04:39 wizzyrea      oy.
04:40 dcook         I was wondering how we managed to provide it on every page of the OPAC...
04:42 * dcook       thinks there is a Template Toolkit plugin for branches...
04:43 dcook         Ah, but it only returns branchname?
04:45 eythian       sounds like the plugin should be improved
04:45 dcook         d'accord
04:45 * dcook       wonders how this one mandarin slice has 3 seeds in it..
04:46 * dcook       didn't even know mandarins could have seeds in them before moving to Oz
04:46 eythian       I don't think our ones usually do either
04:46 eythian       maybe it's seasonal though, depending on where they came from
04:47 dcook         Hmm, maybe
04:48 dcook         The one I had the other day only had one seed all together. BUt on has had...6 alrady
04:48 * dcook       dislikes seeds
04:48 dcook         Although cherry pits are good as you can spit them somewhat majestically...
04:49 eythian       or save up a bunch and machine gun them out
04:49 dcook         ...
04:49 dcook         I've never thought about doing that until now
04:49 * dcook       misses his sisters
04:50 dcook         My grandparents have a little sailboat on a lake back home. In the summers, we used to competitively spit cherry pits while sailing.
04:50 dcook         It's Saskatchewan. We had to make our own fun :p.
04:51 eythian       http://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y <-- this'd be you then
04:51 dcook         Precisely.
04:52 eythian       wahanui: dcook is also the Last Saskatchewan Pirate
04:52 wahanui       okay, eythian.
04:53 wizzyrea      dcook
04:53 wizzyrea      dcook?
04:53 wahanui       i guess dcook is the Last Saskatchewan Pirate
04:53 dcook         The lake actually is part of the river Saskatchewan ;)
04:53 wizzyrea      that is perfect.
04:53 dcook         :D
04:53 wizzyrea      could be worse, you could be a sasquatch.
04:53 dcook         Very true
04:53 wahanui       I know. That's why I said it.
04:53 dcook         I think that's supposed to be farther west though
04:56 dcook         It's also the lake where you'll find the town of Elbow
04:56 dcook         Not far from Eyebrow
04:56 wizzyrea      I was born near a town called Faucett
04:56 dcook         Fairly close to Moose Jaw too
04:56 wizzyrea      it was a big joke to drive past the faucett turnoff.
04:56 dcook         My mum is from the town of Climax :p
04:56 wizzyrea      you win.
04:56 wizzyrea      clearly.
04:56 wizzyrea      there are so many impossibly naughty jokes to be made there.
04:57 dcook         I think they may have all already been made once upon a time
04:57 * wizzyrea    hopes she never called you "squirt"
04:57 dcook         lol
04:57 * dcook       tries to remember
04:57 dcook         Oh, Sasktchewan
04:57 dcook         There's a Kandahar in Saskatchewan too
04:57 dcook         Also a town called Endeavour really close to a town called Rama
04:58 dcook         Which...echos Arthur C. Clarke's novel "Rendevous with Rama" in a way which must be coincidence...
04:58 eythian       most likely
04:58 dcook         But what are the chances?!
04:58 eythian       it could be worse though: "As with the nearby towns of Bird-in-Hand, Blue Ball, and Paradise, Intercourse is a popular site for tourists..."
04:58 dcook         ...
04:58 dcook         Touche
04:59 eythian       It's in Pennsylvania
04:59 wizzyrea      YOU GUYS stop being so funny.
04:59 wizzyrea      what if someone had a beverage!
04:59 wizzyrea      the koha channel, keeping keyboard vendors in business since 1999
05:03 dcook         hehe
05:03 dcook         I learned that lesson years ago with a large glass of rootbear...
05:03 dcook         rootbeer*
05:03 dcook         Luckily, I survived. The keyboard did not.
05:03 eythian       your canadian is showing
05:03 dcook         OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown is a remarkably obtuse system preference...
05:04 dcook         eythian: Is it sarsaparilla down here?
05:04 eythian       no (well sometimes), it was mostly the bear typo
06:20 dcook         yo cait
06:22 cait          yo dcook
06:22 dcook         good morning so far?
06:23 cait          hm mostly
06:42 marcelr       hi #koha
06:43 dcook         yo marcelr
06:43 marcelr       hi dcook
06:55 reiveune      hello
06:59 dcook         heya France folks
07:00 * dcook       thinks it's about time to go home
07:00 dcook         Not that you're not lovely
07:00 dcook         ;)
07:00 alex_a        bonjour
07:00 wahanui       salut, alex_a
07:02 dcook         Would love more feedback on bug 12477 if anyone is so inclined :)
07:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks
07:02 dcook         night all
07:02 wahanui       goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:41 cait          good morning #koha
11:06 ashimema      anyone fancy testing shibboleth whilst I have the pen in hand?
11:37 Dyrcona       @later tell rangi This is what I plan to do to NCIPServer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NJRhhigysC70t75SbJ-N2rPPh_-TJa9490i4ZfnA6Mg/edit?usp=sharing
11:37 huginn        Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
11:38 Dyrcona       And, I really dislike what Google Drive does to ODF.
11:38 Dyrcona       Be back in a bit.
12:19 dpavlin       German and French speaking peope: how do you say Croatian (as language) in your languages? I need it for bug 12649
12:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add Croatian language
12:22 cait          Kroatisch
12:22 cait          what's the marc language code? :P
12:23 cait          dpavlin: i just asked bgkriegel to rebase 12017 for me, is it a big conflict?
12:24 dpavlin       cait: yes, I noted that I will need to review this patch one 12017 gets in :-)
12:24 cait          :)
12:24 cait          i think moving it out of the dabase (with duplication of the file in the web installers...) would be really nice
12:25 dpavlin       yap, we just need it because we don't see our language in acquisitions...
12:25 cait          dpavlin: serials? :)
12:25 dpavlin       yes
12:26 ashimema      matts you about?
12:27 matts         ashimema, yep
12:27 matts         hello
12:27 wahanui       privet, matts
12:27 Joubu         dpavlin: Croate
12:27 ashimema      matts.. you're doing the cas stuff right?
12:27 ashimema      can you envisage a case where someone would enable both shibboleth and cas authentication.
12:27 ashimema      ?
12:28 matts         hmmm
12:28 matts         not tested, but it could work
12:28 matts         as long as the user knows where to authenticate (cas or shib)
12:28 ashimema      at the moment my shib work falls back to local login.. just like the cas stuff does..
12:29 ashimema      but builing the fallback chain for shib/cas/local could be 'messy'
12:29 matts         Given the state of the Auth API, yes, it will be
12:29 ashimema      hmm.. your right.. it 'should' work.
12:29 ashimema      I'll fix it in my patch then.. thanks for the opinion..
12:29 ashimema      tihnk your probably one of the few out there that has touched both ;)
12:29 cait          ashimema: for cas you also have to clickon a link and know what you do
12:30 cait          should hopefully be ok
12:30 matts         Idealy, the admin should be able to define a chain (cas -> shib -> local, local -> shib -> cas, or whatever)
12:30 cait          matts: i found the problem with the cas patch
12:30 matts         cait, really ? What was it ?
12:30 cait          matts: please don't laugh... but turns out my gitified installation was not properly gitified
12:30 ashimema      haha.. you're gonna love this matts/
12:30 cait          ashimema fixed it - ashimema++
12:30 cait          it didn't run the code with the patch...
12:31 matts         \o/ :)
12:31 cait          i will try again
12:31 ashimema      whilst we're talking cas/shib..
12:31 matts         Yes, please let me know if it works (with the patch :))
12:31 ashimema      I tihnk we're both going to come up against the same bug matts..
12:31 ashimema      I reckon you won't be able to login via cas on any page other than opac-main or opac-user
12:32 ashimema      but in bootstrap now you 'should' be able to login from pretty much any page.
12:32 ashimema      any idea's how to make that casAuthentication template variable a global template veriable for the opac?
12:32 ashimema      (i have a simlar shibAuthentication one)
12:33 matts         Aren't there opac-wide variables already ?
12:33 cait          in Auth.pm
12:33 cait          normally
12:33 wahanui       normally is file permissions
12:34 ashimema      lol.. there may well be.. i just haven't found them yet ;)
12:34 matts         yep, I think template->param in Auth.pm is opac-wide
12:34 matts         correct me if wrong
12:35 cait          matts: i have the same impression :)
12:36 matts         I saw a patch to fix Cas Authentication with bootstrap at biblibre, but I don't know if it went communautary already
12:36 cait          matts: i am only aware of the one cas patch right now
12:37 cait          i will be back in a few
12:37 ashimema      coolios..
12:37 ashimema      I'll grab that then :)
12:39 ashimema      oh I see how the cas patch does it..
12:39 ashimema      i don't like it ;)
12:39 matts         On another topic, I've submitted a patch about inventory : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12631
12:39 huginn        04Bug 12631: normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses
12:40 matts         I've tried to be as accurate as possible about the description of the problem
12:40 ashimema      it disables the modal login such that a 'Login to your account' will always open up opac-user.pl as pper pre bootstrap
12:40 ashimema      I'll take a look in a tic Matts.
12:40 matts         thx
12:40 matts         ashimema, about the boostrap fix, I did not look at this precisely, I don't know how it has been done
12:41 ashimema      no worries.. it makes sense now
12:42 tcohen        cait++
12:43 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:43 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 3.4°C (9:40 AM ART on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
12:43 tcohen        brrrr
12:43 ashimema      @wunder stevenage, uk
12:43 huginn        ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 31.2°C (1:43 PM BST on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
12:43 Joubu         matts: Were you thinking about bug 12046?
12:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12046 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Authentication using CAS - bootstrap
12:44 matts         Joubu, yes, I was.
12:45 ashimema      yeah.. that's exactly what I thought.. it just disables modal login..
12:45 ashimema      my shib stuff gets around that..
12:46 cait          tcohen: î didn't do anything
12:46 cait          ashimema++ and matts++
12:47 tcohen        you've got shibboleth patches tested
12:47 cait          not quite there yet
12:47 cait          but i can log in !
12:49 ztajoli       Hi to all. Test of serials done and the module is OK for UTF-8
12:49 matts         cait, you can log in but it's not ok ?
12:50 ashimema      well.. more like 'in testing' tcohen.
12:50 ashimema      sh'es finding me followups ;)
12:50 ashimema      but we're really close now.
12:53 cait          ztajoli++
12:53 cait          matts: not back to cas yet - but can log in with shibboleth now, still needs bit more testing
12:55 matts         ok !
12:58 ashimema      erm..
12:58 ashimema      opac-search.pl seems to manage to skip auth.pm altogether somehow?
13:05 cait          hm can somen help me out with some 'public library' features in Koha?
13:06 cait          i have family accounts and the age restriction on records... but running out of ideas a bit :)
13:06 ashimema      Joubu.. you about and able to advise on using the debugger a bit?
13:06 ashimema      multiple branches cait?
13:08 Joubu         ashimema: I can try, which debugger?
13:08 Joubu         the Vdebug vim plugin?
13:09 ashimema      yup..
13:09 ashimema      seems to be working fine for me..
13:09 ashimema      except I can't seem to trigger it to run on opac-search.pl
13:10 ashimema      wondering if you'de ever come accross that
13:13 cait          ashimema: thx, added sth about that
13:13 cait          someone heard about bus stop management? :)
13:13 cait          for the library bus
13:13 ashimema      oh hang on..
13:13 ashimema      that's odd.
13:13 ashimema      I can trigger the debugger in opac-search.pl if i'm logged in..
13:14 ashimema      but not if i'm not
13:16 ztajoli       UTF-8 problems on ACQ. Description in bug 12650
13:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12650 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , UTF-8: ACQ, problems after saved a new budget
13:16 cait          matts: around?
13:16 rhcl          bus stop management?
13:16 cait          yeah
13:17 cait          you say i am at bus stop x
13:17 matts         cait, yep, around
13:17 cait          and then the loan period will differe from the bus stop before, because you might only be there every 4 weeks... or every 2 weeks, depending on routes
13:17 cait          trying cas again
13:17 cait          looking not so good
13:17 cait          could you take a look?
13:18 matts         yep
13:18 cait          pm
13:18 rhcl          cait: not quite sure I follow you, but for our bookmobile we do indeed have a checkout period...
13:19 rhcl          which matches the schedule of the bookmobile stops, and which differs from the inhouse checkout period
13:19 cait          rhcl: the problem here as that they wanted different loan periods depending on the bus stip
13:19 cait          because i think they run different routs, so some bus stops get visited more often than others
13:19 rhcl          hummm, I think we just have a single "bookmobile checkout period", but I can check with our bookmobile
13:20 rhcl          person when she gets in
13:20 vfernandes    hi people!
13:20 vfernandes    one question: why with .ttf correctly defined the fields don't appear in PDF?
13:21 vfernandes    with no .ttf definition in koha-conf.xml the fields are printed in PDF but when printed on paper don't appear :O
13:21 ashimema      Joubu ignore that.. somthing must have been cahced.. it hits opac-search now.
13:21 ashimema      very odd
13:23 cait          vfernandes: fields or characters?
13:23 cait          dpavlin: still around?
13:26 vfernandes    cait: characters which are from fields of database <surname> <firstname>
13:27 cait          hm i don't kwno enough about the cardnumber printing, maybe a bug report
13:28 vfernandes    something is strange because with no ttf definition the card appears fine in PDF
13:29 vfernandes    but when I try to print the chracters aren't printed
13:29 cait          you checked the the font exists? with the characters you need?
13:31 vfernandes    I can sent you a PDF with the card
13:31 Joubu         ztajoli++
13:32 cait          vfernandes: i won't be able to help much
13:32 cait          better to put it on a bug for the lable module
13:33 vfernandes    cait the problem is that I need this working for tomorrow
13:34 cait          mailing list maybe
13:34 cait          or trying here agian a bit later if noone knows
13:37 ztajoli       Joubu: is it possible to test with perl 5.14? The debian stable (whezzy) use 5.14
13:38 ztajoli       I test now the situation on a master without bug 11944
13:38 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:39 Joubu         ztajoli: No sorry, I cannot upgrade a sandbox
13:41 ztajoli       OK, wait a little
13:47 ztajoli       I confirm, the bug is present also on master, not connect with bug 11944
13:47 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:48 ztajoli       Do you have any idea on unicode/utf-8 differenct between perl 5.10 and 5.18 ?
13:51 Joubu         ztajoli: no I don't. But when I took a look at the other bug, it seems that perl 5.10 does not like to use special chars as hash keys
13:51 Joubu         { λλλ => "λλλ" } becomes { ??? => "λλλ" }
13:56 vfernandes    patron cards module is not working properly in koha 3.16.1
13:57 vfernandes    i've tried in another computer and PDF don't open the image...
13:58 bgkriegel     vfernandes: you mean patron image?
13:59 vfernandes    is patron image
13:59 vfernandes    *yes...
13:59 vfernandes    i don't know what to do....
14:00 vfernandes    in my computer (Ubuntu) the PDF with ttf configuration is generated only with patron image
14:00 bgkriegel     and you said it happens after setting ttf fonts?
14:01 vfernandes    in my computer the PDF with no ttf configuration is corretly generated but when printed the patron fields (like surname, firstname) aren't printed
14:02 bgkriegel     but patron cards does not use ttf fonts, I think
14:02 vfernandes    in my boss computer (Mac OS) the PDF doesn't have the patron image but the patron fields are corretly printed
14:02 vfernandes    bgkriegel : patron cards module does use ttf fonts
14:02 oleonard      Hi all
14:03 tcohen        wb oleonard!!
14:03 bgkriegel     ok :)
14:04 cait          hi bgkriegel
14:05 bgkriegel     hi cait :)
14:05 bgkriegel     is your poedit updated?
14:05 cait          yep, it solved the problem
14:18 rhcl          cait: we do have bookmobile routes with differing time periods, but we only use one bookmobile checkout period
14:18 rhcl          set to the length of the longest interval
14:23 cait          rhcl: i thik that's reasonable - but libraries are all different :)
14:23 cait          @quote get 123
14:23 wahanui       http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:23 huginn        cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:24 ztajoli       Joubu: do you use perl 5.18 on Debian or Ubuntu ?
14:24 ztajoli       Which version (of distro)
14:24 ztajoli       ?
14:25 Joubu         ztajoli: debian testing
14:25 ztajoli       And do you have complied all locales ?
14:25 Joubu         What do you mean?
14:26 ztajoli       when you install debian you need to 'compile one or locales, and after select one.
14:26 Joubu         I have LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
14:28 Joubu         sandboxes use fr_FR.UTF-8
14:29 ztajoli       locale setup is done with "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
14:29 ztajoli       in the first step you 'compile' locales
14:29 ztajoli       in the second step you select one
14:30 ztajoli       you can compile all locales if you want
14:31 ztajoli       Ok, I finish to test on ACQ then I try to test on a debian with perl 5.14
14:53 cait          gmcharlt++ making me laugh on twitter
14:54 ashimema      cait++ for having patience with the shibboleth bug and giving me lots of followups
14:55 cait          ashimema++ for having lots of patience
14:55 cait          and doing all the hard work really
15:03 reiveune      bye
15:12 dpavlin       cait: back at keyboard
15:21 cait          vfernandes: had a question about the .tff settings
15:21 cait          i thought you would know maybe where his problem was
15:24 ashimema      my qa and signoff stats for this month are pityful.. sorry guys
15:24 cait          you just past that ldap bug
15:24 cait          i am happy :)
15:24 ashimema      :)
15:27 * oleonard    gives ashimema a big hearty American-style whack on the back for encouragement
15:30 vfernandes    cait : i'm still getting the "bug"
15:31 oleonard      I wonder if after a certain number of version changes we should remove INSTALL files which haven't been updated
15:31 * oleonard    is looking at INSTALL.opensuse "for Installing Koha 3.0.0 on openSUSE 11.3"
15:34 vfernandes    this is driving me crazy
15:35 cait          vfernandes: now you missed dpavlin - he is the expert
15:35 dpavlin       vfernandes: you didn't miss me (yet), but I have to re-read irc log to figure out what is driving you crazy :-)
15:36 dpavlin       oh, patron cards....
15:36 vfernandes    yes... somehow the patron card is being generated right without ttf but wrong with ttf configuration
15:37 vfernandes    besides that when printing a correct patron card the characters aren't being printed...
15:38 vfernandes    i've compared 3.12 version with 3.16 and besides Font method and StrWidth of Creators/PDF.pm everything is the same
15:39 vfernandes    those methods were modified to load ttf file
15:39 * dpavlin     checking
15:40 dpavlin       I'm getting application error
15:40 dpavlin       Can't use string (&quot;1&quot;) as a HASH ref while &quot;strict refs&quot; in use at /srv/koha//C4/Patroncards/Patroncard.pm line 102.
15:40 dpavlin       whey I try to create patron cards. (error is inside pdf file which isn't pdf)
15:41 dpavlin       but, you don't have same problem, maybe my configuration is broken (we are not using patron cards, we are printing directly on RFID cards using alternative method)
15:43 Joubu         vfernandes: I have to go, but take a look at bug 8375
15:43 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Pushed to Master , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
15:43 Joubu         I raised some issues in a note at the end of the bug report
15:44 vfernandes    Joubu : 3.12 almost uses the same code and it's working
15:44 vfernandes    3.16 not
15:44 Joubu         bug 8375 has been pushed to 3.16 ;)
15:45 dpavlin       so it's mine to fix, right? ;-)
15:45 vfernandes    Joubu : I don't have problem with diacrits for now... the caracters are appearing in the PDF with no ttf configuration, except when printed in paper
15:45 vfernandes    looks like a problem with the Font
15:45 Joubu         bug 12194 ?
15:45 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12194 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Some fonts don't work on printing label
15:46 dpavlin       if you don't have ttf fonts defined, than pdf will fallback to built-in fonts
15:46 dpavlin       which *might* have utf-8 characters on your computer, but don't have it on printer
15:47 vfernandes    i'm using helvetica
15:47 Joubu         maybe it's wrong lead, just what you described mades me remember this bug
15:47 Joubu         see you tomorrow!
15:47 vfernandes    bye Joubu
15:49 vfernandes    on koha-conf: <font type="H"  >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf</font>
15:50 dpavlin       I have somehow to persuade patron cards generator to work with borrower attributes (which we are using) and after that I will try to test it.
15:54 dpavlin       I'm also getting Unknown column 'lastname' in 'field list' at /srv/koha//C4/Patroncards/Lib.pm line 108
16:00 ztajoli       Hi, finish to test ACQ.
16:01 ztajoli       Still a problem on printing basket group with non latin diacritics.
16:02 ztajoli       But probably a general problem of sandbox.
16:02 ztajoli       I fill a bug about it after a test on master
16:07 oleonard      How could one trigger a fail of xt/author/translatable-templates.t?
16:08 ztajoli       Bye
16:24 cait          oleonard: maybe the old problem with nested tt inside of html tag?
16:25 cait          if else for selected=selected or not selected
16:25 cait          have to run :) bye all
16:49 Ant           I tried to upgrade from 3.12 to 3.14, but during the Koha database update, an error "DBD::mysql::db do failed" occured.  Anyone know how to fix that?
17:00 oleonard      Looks like xt/author/show-template-structure.pl is only relevant for HTML::Template::Pro. Is there any reason to keep it?
17:00 antcwts       I tried to upgrade from 3.12 to 3.14, but during the Koha database update, an error "DBD::mysql::db do failed" error occured.  Anyone has the same problem?
17:03 oleonard      I don't know what that means antcwts but it might help if you had more details about the error. Was it output to the screen? Did you find it in the logs?
17:04 antcwts       the error is output to the screen
17:21 * oleonard    tried mangling a template and running xt/author/translatable-templates.t but it still passed
17:30 cait          hmm
17:30 cait          do the comments in the file tell you something?
17:30 * cait        is having dinner, but can look when the keyboard is a bit safer
17:34 jcamins       oleonard: it's checking for irony.
17:47 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12164: (followup) MoveOrders description corrected <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44343dc1325051993d07c1d8e794c3d2fd67baa4> / Bug 12164: Fix decimal number display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=359590f36a2ca656fb3b4c4fc63cc915cee50794> / Bug 12164: Fix some typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64490cb48011eb6ed9958fb0
17:49 nengard_phone hi all, i get this error after doing a fetch just now, what am i missing/did i do wrong?
17:50 nengard_phone http://paste.koha-community.org/116
17:50 nengard_phone I don't see a missing module message like usual
17:51 cait          tcohen: arund still? :)
17:51 tcohen        almost
17:51 cait          nengard_phone: hm that looks acq
17:51 cait          where do you see it?
17:51 nengard_phone when i try to get to my staff client
17:52 nengard_phone so i did a fetch
17:52 nengard_phone and then went to my staff client url
17:52 cait          let me check
17:53 cait          nengard_phone: try again a git fetch/pull
17:54 cait          tcohen just pushed something, maybe it overlapped
17:54 tcohen        nengard_phone: how do u reproduce that?
17:54 cait          nengard_phone: it works ok for me
17:55 nengard_phone it's saying i'm already up to date
17:55 nengard_phone nothing to pull
17:56 tcohen        nengard_phone: could you explain the context of the error?
17:56 nengard_phone http://paste.koha-community.org/117
17:56 tcohen        page/action/smth?
17:56 nengard_phone I did a fetch, I went to my main staff client url to log in and can't log in - i see that error
17:56 nengard_phone i'm not presented with the staff client log in message
17:56 nengard_phone jsut the error
17:58 tcohen        git diff origin/master ?
17:59 tcohen        git fetch origin ; git diff origin/master
18:02 nengard_phone nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone$ git fetch origin ; git diff origin/master
18:02 nengard_phone nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone$
18:09 nengard       so it looks like i have the most recent master
18:10 cait          i can't reproduce the problem
18:11 cait          what's the last commit with git log?
18:13 tcohen        "(followup) MoveOrders description corrected" ¿
18:16 nengard_      do you think i should clear out acq data?
18:20 tcohen        nengard: no
18:20 tcohen        is your db information private?
18:20 tcohen        or is just a development db?
18:21 tcohen        also, what perl version/environment are you working on?
18:21 nengard       it's a VM installed locally
18:21 nengard       let me check the perl version - how do i get that
18:22 nengard       This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
18:23 tcohen        nengard:
18:23 tcohen        try
18:23 tcohen        git checkout a9c0e18d0ab90143fe343a5a15b833ecde5c13f4 -b testing_acq
18:24 nengard       that got me the installer
18:24 nengard       should I run through the installer process?
18:25 tcohen        can u do a db dump before?
18:25 nengard       sure
18:25 tcohen        and send it to me please? :-D
18:25 nengard       yes
18:25 nengard       might be too big to email ... we'll see
18:25 martian523    hi, upgraded to 3.12 a few days ago, found out that some authorities are lost
18:25 tcohen        gzip it
18:26 martian523    and also even though the settings are set to automatically add non-existing authorities, seems like it's not adding
18:27 tcohen        martian523: you upgraded from version...?
18:28 martian523    um....3.10
18:28 * tcohen      loves jenkins
18:29 cait          :)
18:29 tcohen        nengard: there's a problem with Debian Squeeze
18:29 tcohen        (i mean, i love the way we've set jenkins, so we can spot this stuff)
18:29 nengard       wait ... so it's my debian install that's broken?
18:32 tcohen        no no, current master on *any* Debian Squeezed
18:32 cait          jenkins++
18:32 nengard       cool! so it's not me ;) hehe
18:33 cait          and i am on newest ubuntu - so can't reproduce
18:33 martian523    so is there a way to fix the authorities?
18:33 nengard       Do I not want to run the database updater then?
18:33 cait          and can stop trying :P
18:33 nengard       should I wait for a bug fix?
18:33 cait          martian523: it's unlikely that koha changed your data
18:33 cait          it could be related to indexing
18:33 cait          not finding the record
18:33 martian523    or just manually re-add them?
18:33 cait          i'd check the database first, if you can find the record there
18:33 cait          looking at the data in the auth_header table
18:33 tcohen        martian523: you can look for the authority record on the DB to make sure it is there (we don't delete anything)
18:33 martian523    i checked the authorities records, not there
18:34 cait          hm it should really not be possible to happen, it might be something weird
18:34 cait          no tenough disk space? incomplete dump?
18:41 nengard       tcohen should i run the db update on this new branch? and/or do i need to report a bug for the problem with squeeze?
18:41 tcohen        nengard: i'm about to push a fix
18:41 tcohen        a followup
18:41 wahanui       a followup is, like, a patch that applies after the other one with the differences
18:41 nengard       awesome!!!!
18:41 wahanui       That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, nengard
18:41 nengard       tcohen++
18:42 nengard       What's with the awesome jar ...
18:42 * nengard     missed something
18:44 bgkriegel     Bug 12649, easy one for QA :)
18:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , Add Croatian language
18:47 oleonard      Is it just me or does xt/author/valid-templates.t fail spectacularly?
18:47 oleonard      According to my test it hasn't worked for ages.
18:47 * nengard     doesn't know what that is ...
18:47 tcohen        it is you :-P
18:48 tcohen        you might be missing some dependency?
18:49 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12164: (followup) keys expects a hash parameter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=305224b562cb0c1e7acce4d59ba2f13994f5be8b>
18:49 bgkriegel     oleonard: works for me
18:50 cait          brb
18:51 oleonard      Great.
18:53 * tcohen      feels relieved Koha on Debian 6 is back to functional
18:53 tcohen        bye #koha!
18:57 oleonard      Can anyone suggest how I might find out why xt/author/valid-templates.t fails for only me?
18:57 cait          hm can you paste how it fails?
18:57 cait          did you run it with perl for a test? oftne gives better output
18:59 pastebot      "oleonard" at pasted "xt/author/valid-templates.t failures" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/118
19:00 cait          hm
19:00 cait          adn perl looks the same, instead of prove?
19:01 oleonard      Yes
19:06 oleonard      Hm for all I know that's why I can't get translate-templates.t to fail
19:07 oleonard      I should just submit the stupid patch with the test plan "I don't know, test it or whatever."
19:26 bgkriegel     oleonard: test pass for perl v5.18.2, fails for perl 5.14.2
19:26 cait          test pass for me too
19:26 cait          5.18.2 ubuntu
19:27 bgkriegel     but fails on ubuntu 12.04
19:30 cait          i hve the newest
19:30 cait          always forget the number
19:31 cait          i am realyl really bad with numbers
19:31 bgkriegel     on 14.04.1 LTS (perl v5.18.2) it pass, on 12.04.4 LTS (perl v5.14.2) fails :(
19:40 cait          bgkriegel: around?
19:40 cait          i am looking at the patch for croatan
19:40 bgkriegel     yes
19:40 cait          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=30042
19:40 cait          the uk-ua doesn't look right
19:40 cait          doubled up?
19:41 cait          i could just remove one of the 2 sections
19:41 cait          if you are ok with that
19:42 bgkriegel     oops, yes of course. that was one the missing langs, perhaps double paste
19:43 cait          yeah i thnk it's just a double paste
19:43 cait          i will fix :)
19:43 cait          i fixed it and trying just that file now on my database
19:44 cait          bgkriegel: hm how do they sort? the langs?
19:44 cait          because it's the last on advanced search list now
19:44 bgkriegel     I see that
19:44 bgkriegel     *saw
19:45 cait          it seems mostly sorted by alphabet
19:45 bgkriegel     let me see
19:45 cait          but not consistently so
19:47 cait          hm it's the database order it seems?
19:47 cait          he put croatian at the bottom of the list - so it shows up last
19:47 bgkriegel     is not ordered
19:48 cait          i think i pass ant test your patches soon :)
19:49 bgkriegel     we need to modify getLanguages() on C4/Languages.pm. Returns an array but in no particular order
19:49 bgkriegel     hope you can test it :)
19:50 cait          heh
19:50 cait          hope to get to your patches soon
19:50 cait          i am noting it on the patch what we saw
19:54 bgkriegel     if not, can try to add missing languages on Bug 9056
19:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
19:55 cait          hm more missing?
19:56 bgkriegel     a lot
19:56 bgkriegel     there are missing descriptions taking into account Pootle languages :)
19:58 bgkriegel     many of which have not shown any activity in a while
19:59 cait          i thimk if there is noone asking right now
19:59 cait          maybe better to concentrate to get them out of the database first
19:59 cait          and then fix one central file... instead of lal the installer files
20:02 bgkriegel     yeap
20:06 bgkriegel     cait: failed 12445. I tested on new db, using the usual one it fails, my bad
20:06 cait          bgkriegel: not a problem
20:07 cait          i think there has been some discussion which databases it should pass on - empty or not
20:07 cait          but i think this is probably easy to fix with a bit of clean up we have in lots of files already
20:07 cait          bgkriegel: could you maybe check 12568 for me?
20:07 cait          i don't see the new message :(
20:07 cait          bug 12568
20:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Improve visibility of successful renewal via opac
20:08 bgkriegel     ok :)
20:08 cait          i only have one checout
20:19 bgkriegel     cait: testing, but need to take the boy to english class :) Back in minutes
20:19 cait          :)
20:24 martian523    i don't know what's happening to my KOHA, everything i saved is not saving
20:24 martian523    check disk space, plenty of room
20:25 martian523    new titles not saving, authorities not saving,
20:25 martian523    what's going on? i'm getting depressed here.
20:25 martian523    all started after upgraded to 3.12 from 3.10
20:30 cait          martian523: i think someting is seriously wrong on your system.
20:30 martian523    yes, i want to know what it is
20:30 martian523    it was working fine before the upgrade
20:31 martian523    IT dept said there were no errors when upgrading
20:31 cait          the upgrade shouldn't really change something that explains this
20:31 cait          given it was installed properly before
20:31 cait          you could check what the logs say when you try to save somthing
20:32 martian523    just like before, just saves
20:32 martian523    and it appears to be saved
20:32 martian523    but when i try to look for it again, it's not there
20:32 cait          how are you looking at it?
20:32 cait          are you searching for it?
20:33 martian523    so i imported bibs from oclc, those bibs are there
20:33 martian523    however, when i tried to search for them, it's not there
20:34 martian523    used titles to search, barcodes to search, authors to search
20:34 martian523    none
20:34 cait          i think probably not indexed
20:34 cait          not saved is more unlikey
20:34 cait          did you change the frameworks?
20:34 martian523    so something went wrong with the indexing?
20:34 martian523    nope
20:35 martian523    did not change anything in frameworks
20:35 martian523    re-run the indexing?
20:35 cait          check the entries in the zebraqueue table
20:36 cait          if they are done
20:36 cait          it's the queue for indexing new and changed records
20:36 martian523    is it in the backend
20:36 cait          you can query it from reports
20:38 martian523    sorry, i'm not IT, so should I ask IT to do something with the zebra.pl?
20:39 cait          check if the reindexing job runs
20:39 cait          i guess you really need it to take a look
20:39 cait          at the server
20:39 martian523    ok
20:39 cait          because everything you can do - like looking at error logs
20:39 cait          is server side
20:39 martian523    i see
20:43 bgkriegel     cait: does not show (Renewed! message)
20:43 cait          ok, i am failing it
20:43 cait          thxx for checking!
20:44 bgkriegel     variable on opac-user.pl is empty
21:08 bgkriegel     cait: I left a note on the bug, on how to fix it
21:08 cait          thx!
21:48 wizzyrea      Is there a bug for "forgotten password" functionality?
21:48 wizzyrea      I can't seem to find it.
21:50 rangi         bug 8753
21:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , Add forgot password link to OPAC
21:50 wizzyrea      ah thanks
21:50 wizzyrea      that's an odyssey.
21:51 pianohacker   yup, 50+ comments qualifies as an oddysey
21:51 pianohacker   dammit spelling.
21:51 pianohacker   I need to eat lunch
21:51 wizzyrea      hehe
21:51 rangi         @later tell dyrcona sounds fine to me, that's pretty similar to what i was thinking its funny how you get halfway into something and can see a much better way :)
21:51 huginn        rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:21 rangi         @wunder nzwn
22:21 huginn        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:22 bag           @wunder blythe, ca
22:22 huginn        bag: The current temperature in Blythe, California is 45.0°C (2:52 PM PDT on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling).  Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM MST /8 PM PDT/ this evening...
22:22 bag           that's where mario is from
22:22 bag           @wunder SBA
22:22 huginn        bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 24.0°C (2:53 PM PDT on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
22:23 rangi         45!!!
22:23 rangi         thats just silly
22:23 bag           no kidding
22:24 bag           that's 113 in F
22:48 bag_prison    hmm that's because I'm going to play a baseball game in San Quetin this weekend
22:49 bag_prison    maybe I should change that
22:49 bag_away_at   HAHAHAHA
23:05 dcook         hehe
23:30 wizzyrea      jesus crazy
23:31 wizzyrea      9 is not terrible for winter.
23:31 wizzyrea      9 and sunny is downright pleasant.
23:31 wizzyrea      9 and wind/rain is esh.
23:39 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
23:39 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 11.0°C (9:00 AM EST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
23:39 dcook         hmm, that's about accurate
23:40 eythian       @wunder nzwn
23:40 huginn        eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
23:40 eythian       ha! we win!
23:40 dcook         hehe
23:40 wizzyrea      \o/
23:40 wizzyrea      hey that's getting into "warmish"
23:41 dcook         That's what I was thinking