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00:04 dcook tcohen: ultrasound?
00:04 tcohen yes
00:04 dcook Awesome :)
00:04 dcook How far along now?
00:05 tcohen 19 weeks
00:08 dcook About halfway then?
00:08 dcook That's so exciting
00:09 tcohen it is!
00:09 dcook :)
00:09 Ant thanks eythian, i got the DBIx module done
00:52 dcook [off] Man...LAC sure gives out some really bad passwords for their Z39.50...
00:53 dcook [off] I suppose it doesn't need to be super secure, but still...it's just a bit awkward
01:38 eythian 3.16.02 packages uploading now.
01:39 eythian s/ing/ed/
01:42 tcohen eythian++
02:35 gmcharlt eythian++
02:35 gmcharlt [off] dcook: do I need to change the combination of my luggage?
02:40 pianohacker eythian++
02:40 pianohacker hit and run karmal
02:42 eythian dcook: you type in blue
02:44 dcook Do I/
02:44 dcook Do I?
02:44 dcook Hmm, apparently I do for replies
02:44 dcook I think I shall change that
02:45 dcook [off] gmcharlt: Nah, they're just often the first password in a hacker's dictionary
02:47 dcook eythian: fixed
02:47 dcook Now if only I could fix the threading
02:47 dcook (in Outlook 2013 :P)
02:48 dcook eythian: Could you show me what my outgoing email headers look like?
02:48 dcook Actually, I guess I could to that myself with my personal email..
02:49 dcook All right. Let's see..
02:50 eythian dcook: sure, one moment
02:50 dcook Actually, yeah, if you could send it
02:50 dcook My current example was no goood
02:51 eythian emailed, the attachment should contain full headers.
02:55 dcook Hmm weird
02:55 dcook I see "References" and "In-Reply-To" in the headers when I replied to my Gmail email
02:55 dcook But I don't see them in the message that you sent to me
02:56 eythian yeah, I can't see them there at all.
02:56 eythian But they sometimes are there
02:56 eythian when they are there, they're wrong.
03:00 dcook Hmm
03:10 dcook Hmm, no idea
03:11 dcook References looks a bit funny, but it's all there when I try it
03:12 dcook Although now it appears to have lost the Thread-Index...
03:21 eythian it sorts your References: entries backwards.
03:21 eythian Basically, I'm extrapolating from "everyone's works except Paul A's and people using Outlook"
03:22 eythian and Paul A is using a ridiculously old version of Eudora that should be sent to the server farm.
03:25 dcook Wow, I haven't used Eudora in years...
03:25 eythian Neither, not since the first couple of years at uni
03:26 * dcook looks at the date
03:26 dcook Yeah, it was almost a decade ago at this point. I wonder if that library still uses Eudora...
03:26 dcook So the References should have the first reference at the top and each new one should go at the end?
03:26 dcook Whereas Outlook puts the newest at the start of the References string?
03:37 eythian dcook: seems to be the case, yeah
03:38 dcook :S
03:39 dcook I swear reality doesn't need to be as strange as it is
03:39 * dcook thinks there must be a trickster god somewhere or something who is teasing us
03:40 eythian You're using Outlook.
03:40 eythian Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company.
03:40 eythian They're an abuse company.
03:40 eythian They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:40 dcook It certainly feels that way sometimes.
03:41 dcook Of course, then you have organizations that only provide their product for Windows.
03:41 dcook I think Australia might have a web client now for doing taxes and not just a Windows app...
03:41 eythian Yeah, we don't tend to use those.
03:41 * dcook almost thought about buying Windows solely for the purpose of doing his taxes
03:42 dcook Yeah, Canada has heaps of web-based clients for doing tax
03:42 eythian I have a windows 7 VM I use for testing things in, it was an RC release from Microsoft. Now I think it runs for an hour then tells me it's not genuine and shuts down.
03:42 eythian Fine for testing
03:42 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company.
03:42 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #308 added.
03:43 wizzyrea \o/
03:43 eythian wizzyrea: you missed the punchline of that quote.
03:43 wizzyrea it's all a punchline.
03:43 wizzyrea but I"ll add the complete thing.
03:44 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company. They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:44 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: Keep in mind that Microsoft isn't a software company. They're an abuse company. They just use software as a means to deliver that abuse.
03:44 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #309 added.
03:44 wizzyrea there we go
03:44 wizzyrea @quote delete 308
03:44 huginn wizzyrea: I've exhausted my database of quotes
03:44 wizzyrea gn
03:44 wizzyrea hrm.
03:44 wizzyrea @quote help
03:44 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:45 dcook Technically, RDA might be ready?
03:45 dcook eythian: Interesting. I have a windows 7 VM for testing as well. It's expired but so far I haven't experienced any consequences. I must not have had it open long enough for it to shut down...
03:47 eythian it also has a black background and you can't change it.
03:48 dcook hehe
03:48 dcook I think mine is blue and tells me how I could reset it via the CLI
03:48 dcook But to a maximum of 5 times or something
03:48 * dcook wonders why they wouldn't keep the period 5 times as long and not have the fiddly weird bits
03:49 dcook I guess this way you could reset it as needed
03:49 dcook Or...you could just have a free OS
03:49 eythian yeah
03:49 eythian mine gets used less than once a year, and it's usually just from when I've modified the windows builder/installer config for an application of mine.
03:50 dcook :o
03:50 dcook You support an app that can be installed on Windows?
03:50 eythian and macos and linux
03:50 dcook Cross-platform stuff is handy...
03:51 eythian It's a bit of a pain, every release of OSX breaks something new.
03:51 dcook :(
03:59 wizzyrea osx isn't much better than windows these days
03:59 eythian Windows has been pretty good, I think I started testing it on XP and it's worked solidly til now.
03:59 wizzyrea (I used to use macs a lot. But not now.)
04:16 jcamins Why on earth would you use an Apple product for your ebooks?
04:16 jcamins I have a Mac, and I really like it, but the chances of me using an Apple product for my ebooks are nil.
04:16 wizzyrea yeah that seems daft.
04:17 jcamins That's like relying on MS software for access to servers.
04:17 eythian I have been quite liking google books, I can throw epubs into it from my desktop and they appear on my phone and tablet
04:17 jcamins eythian: that seems interesting, and I might try it.
04:17 jcamins But I wouldn't store my library on it.
04:18 jcamins I'd use it for transmitting books to my phone.
04:18 eythian yeah
04:18 wizzyrea yeah, after reading that thing definitely keep backups with an airgap.
04:18 wizzyrea geeze.
04:18 eythian reading what thing?
04:18 wizzyrea sec I'll get it for you
04:18 eythian huh
04:18 eythian I thought I had a lost order from book depository
04:18 eythian looks like I never actually clicked on "checkout"
04:19 wizzyrea http://thebookpushers.com/2014/07/22/the-tragic-demise-of-an-e-library/
04:20 eythian erk yeah
04:21 eythian that's a failure to think ahead going on there
04:21 wizzyrea also too much trust in one vendor.
04:21 eythian either that, or the "two types of people: those who keep backups, and those who don't yet" syndrome
04:21 wizzyrea not vendor
04:21 wizzyrea of ebooks
04:21 wizzyrea but vendor of hardware.
04:22 wizzyrea though I'm not much better, all my mobile-things are google ones :/
04:22 wizzyrea but I don't keep all of my things in google or trust them to keep them backed up
04:24 eythian yeah, I have my own on and offsite backups.
04:24 eythian Which reminds me, I need to rotate them.
04:24 wizzyrea yeah same
04:25 wizzyrea ...there's a maori word for ipad.
04:26 wizzyrea i mean, of course there is
04:27 dcook If I recall correctly, the French for iPod is iPod
04:27 dcook It just sounds cooler when you say it in French :p
04:27 jcamins Grilled cheese and mango lassi. The natural choice for 12:30am.
04:27 * dcook needs to do off-site personal backups
04:28 dcook We do off-site backups at work, but I need to know that my cat photos will live on forever
04:28 dcook jcamins: om nom nom
04:28 dcook I had the grilled cheese, but not the mango lassi. I do have mango in the freezer at home from last mango season though...
04:29 eythian dcook: a pair of harddrives and a harddrive dock is what I use.
04:29 eythian Periodically I swap them between home and work
04:30 jcamins I swap out two external hard drives, but so far I haven't been keeping one of them off-site.
04:31 dcook eythian: Yeah, that's what I've been thinking of doing
04:31 dcook I have a few spare hard drives at home just begging for it
04:31 dcook begging to be used for that purpose
04:31 dcook Well...maybe the newer one
04:31 dcook The older one might just need a new life...
04:32 dcook jcamins: You never know when your building might go up in flames
04:32 dcook (preferably with you not inside it of course)
04:32 wizzyrea http://instagram.com/p/q0I7qOoAd5/?modal=false (can you see that?)
04:32 jcamins dcook: yeah, but I don't have an office.
04:32 dcook Dang, mwave has some cheap docks...
04:32 dcook jcamins: Yeah, that's a downside
04:33 jcamins wizzyrea: yes I can. What is it?
04:33 wizzyrea Cuba street in Wellington, earlier today
04:33 eythian it's the bucket fountain
04:33 wizzyrea ^
04:33 eythian the colours have been manipulated a fair bit, I think
04:34 wizzyrea http://instagram.com/p/q0RgqTAbBB/?modal=true not on this one though, if you can see it.
04:35 wizzyrea that particular person's photos (the first) are always extremely vividly colour corrected
04:35 wizzyrea (and/or HDR)
04:35 dcook Hmm, the spares are IDEs...a SATA/IDE to USB cable might do the trick...
04:36 wizzyrea http://instagram.com/chelebanks
04:38 dcook Dang, we rely on C4::Auth to provide the branches loop for the branches pull down in the OPAC...
04:38 eythian that's terrible
04:38 wizzyrea the one in the search header?
04:38 dcook wizzyrea: yep
04:39 wizzyrea oy.
04:40 dcook I was wondering how we managed to provide it on every page of the OPAC...
04:42 * dcook thinks there is a Template Toolkit plugin for branches...
04:43 dcook Ah, but it only returns branchname?
04:45 eythian sounds like the plugin should be improved
04:45 dcook d'accord
04:45 * dcook wonders how this one mandarin slice has 3 seeds in it..
04:46 * dcook didn't even know mandarins could have seeds in them before moving to Oz
04:46 eythian I don't think our ones usually do either
04:46 eythian maybe it's seasonal though, depending on where they came from
04:47 dcook Hmm, maybe
04:48 dcook The one I had the other day only had one seed all together. BUt on has had...6 alrady
04:48 * dcook dislikes seeds
04:48 dcook Although cherry pits are good as you can spit them somewhat majestically...
04:49 eythian or save up a bunch and machine gun them out
04:49 dcook ...
04:49 dcook I've never thought about doing that until now
04:49 * dcook misses his sisters
04:50 dcook My grandparents have a little sailboat on a lake back home. In the summers, we used to competitively spit cherry pits while sailing.
04:50 dcook It's Saskatchewan. We had to make our own fun :p.
04:51 eythian http://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y <-- this'd be you then
04:51 dcook Precisely.
04:52 eythian wahanui: dcook is also the Last Saskatchewan Pirate
04:52 wahanui okay, eythian.
04:53 wizzyrea dcook
04:53 wizzyrea dcook?
04:53 wahanui i guess dcook is the Last Saskatchewan Pirate
04:53 dcook The lake actually is part of the river Saskatchewan ;)
04:53 wizzyrea that is perfect.
04:53 dcook :D
04:53 wizzyrea could be worse, you could be a sasquatch.
04:53 dcook Very true
04:53 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
04:53 dcook I think that's supposed to be farther west though
04:56 dcook It's also the lake where you'll find the town of Elbow
04:56 dcook Not far from Eyebrow
04:56 wizzyrea I was born near a town called Faucett
04:56 dcook Fairly close to Moose Jaw too
04:56 wizzyrea it was a big joke to drive past the faucett turnoff.
04:56 dcook My mum is from the town of Climax :p
04:56 wizzyrea you win.
04:56 wizzyrea clearly.
04:56 wizzyrea there are so many impossibly naughty jokes to be made there.
04:57 dcook I think they may have all already been made once upon a time
04:57 * wizzyrea hopes she never called you "squirt"
04:57 dcook lol
04:57 * dcook tries to remember
04:57 dcook Oh, Sasktchewan
04:57 dcook There's a Kandahar in Saskatchewan too
04:57 dcook Also a town called Endeavour really close to a town called Rama
04:58 dcook Which...echos Arthur C. Clarke's novel "Rendevous with Rama" in a way which must be coincidence...
04:58 eythian most likely
04:58 dcook But what are the chances?!
04:58 eythian it could be worse though: "As with the nearby towns of Bird-in-Hand, Blue Ball, and Paradise, Intercourse is a popular site for tourists..."
04:58 dcook ...
04:58 dcook Touche
04:59 eythian It's in Pennsylvania
04:59 wizzyrea YOU GUYS stop being so funny.
04:59 wizzyrea what if someone had a beverage!
04:59 wizzyrea the koha channel, keeping keyboard vendors in business since 1999
05:03 dcook hehe
05:03 dcook I learned that lesson years ago with a large glass of rootbear...
05:03 dcook rootbeer*
05:03 dcook Luckily, I survived. The keyboard did not.
05:03 eythian your canadian is showing
05:03 dcook OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown is a remarkably obtuse system preference...
05:04 dcook eythian: Is it sarsaparilla down here?
05:04 eythian no (well sometimes), it was mostly the bear typo
06:20 dcook yo cait
06:22 cait yo dcook
06:22 dcook good morning so far?
06:23 cait hm mostly
06:42 marcelr hi #koha
06:43 dcook yo marcelr
06:43 marcelr hi dcook
06:55 reiveune hello
06:59 dcook heya France folks
07:00 * dcook thinks it's about time to go home
07:00 dcook Not that you're not lovely
07:00 dcook ;)
07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 wahanui salut, alex_a
07:02 dcook Would love more feedback on bug 12477 if anyone is so inclined :)
07:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks
07:02 dcook night all
07:02 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:41 cait good morning #koha
11:06 ashimema anyone fancy testing shibboleth whilst I have the pen in hand?
11:37 Dyrcona @later tell rangi This is what I plan to do to NCIPServer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NJRhhigysC70t75SbJ-N2rPPh_-TJa9490i4ZfnA6Mg/edit?usp=sharing
11:37 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
11:38 Dyrcona And, I really dislike what Google Drive does to ODF.
11:38 Dyrcona Be back in a bit.
12:19 dpavlin German and French speaking peope: how do you say Croatian (as language) in your languages? I need it for bug 12649
12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add Croatian language
12:22 cait Kroatisch
12:22 cait what's the marc language code? :P
12:23 cait dpavlin: i just asked bgkriegel to rebase 12017 for me, is it a big conflict?
12:24 dpavlin cait: yes, I noted that I will need to review this patch one 12017 gets in :-)
12:24 cait :)
12:24 cait i think moving it out of the dabase (with duplication of the file in the web installers...) would be really nice
12:25 dpavlin yap, we just need it because we don't see our language in acquisitions...
12:25 cait dpavlin: serials? :)
12:25 dpavlin yes
12:26 ashimema matts you about?
12:27 matts ashimema, yep
12:27 matts hello
12:27 wahanui privet, matts
12:27 Joubu dpavlin: Croate
12:27 ashimema matts.. you're doing the cas stuff right?
12:27 ashimema can you envisage a case where someone would enable both shibboleth and cas authentication.
12:27 ashimema ?
12:28 matts hmmm
12:28 matts not tested, but it could work
12:28 matts as long as the user knows where to authenticate (cas or shib)
12:28 ashimema at the moment my shib work falls back to local login.. just like the cas stuff does..
12:29 ashimema but builing the fallback chain for shib/cas/local could be 'messy'
12:29 matts Given the state of the Auth API, yes, it will be
12:29 ashimema hmm.. your right.. it 'should' work.
12:29 ashimema I'll fix it in my patch then.. thanks for the opinion..
12:29 ashimema tihnk your probably one of the few out there that has touched both ;)
12:29 cait ashimema: for cas you also have to clickon a link and know what you do
12:30 cait should hopefully be ok
12:30 matts Idealy, the admin should be able to define a chain (cas -> shib -> local, local -> shib -> cas, or whatever)
12:30 cait matts: i found the problem with the cas patch
12:30 matts cait, really ? What was it ?
12:30 cait matts: please don't laugh... but turns out my gitified installation was not properly gitified
12:30 ashimema haha.. you're gonna love this matts/
12:30 cait ashimema fixed it - ashimema++
12:30 cait it didn't run the code with the patch...
12:31 matts \o/ :)
12:31 cait i will try again
12:31 ashimema whilst we're talking cas/shib..
12:31 matts Yes, please let me know if it works (with the patch :))
12:31 ashimema I tihnk we're both going to come up against the same bug matts..
12:31 ashimema I reckon you won't be able to login via cas on any page other than opac-main or opac-user
12:32 ashimema but in bootstrap now you 'should' be able to login from pretty much any page.
12:32 ashimema any idea's how to make that casAuthentication template variable a global template veriable for the opac?
12:32 ashimema (i have a simlar shibAuthentication one)
12:33 matts Aren't there opac-wide variables already ?
12:33 cait in Auth.pm
12:33 cait normally
12:33 wahanui normally is file permissions
12:34 ashimema lol.. there may well be.. i just haven't found them yet ;)
12:34 matts yep, I think template->param in Auth.pm is opac-wide
12:34 matts correct me if wrong
12:35 cait matts: i have the same impression :)
12:36 matts I saw a patch to fix Cas Authentication with bootstrap at biblibre, but I don't know if it went communautary already
12:36 cait matts: i am only aware of the one cas patch right now
12:37 cait i will be back in a few
12:37 ashimema coolios..
12:37 ashimema I'll grab that then :)
12:39 ashimema oh I see how the cas patch does it..
12:39 ashimema i don't like it ;)
12:39 matts On another topic, I've submitted a patch about inventory : http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12631
12:39 huginn 04Bug 12631: normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses
12:40 matts I've tried to be as accurate as possible about the description of the problem
12:40 ashimema it disables the modal login such that a 'Login to your account' will always open up opac-user.pl as pper pre bootstrap
12:40 ashimema I'll take a look in a tic Matts.
12:40 matts thx
12:40 matts ashimema, about the boostrap fix, I did not look at this precisely, I don't know how it has been done
12:41 ashimema no worries.. it makes sense now
12:42 tcohen cait++
12:43 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 3.4°C (9:40 AM ART on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
12:43 tcohen brrrr
12:43 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
12:43 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 31.2°C (1:43 PM BST on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
12:43 Joubu matts: Were you thinking about bug 12046?
12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12046 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Authentication using CAS - bootstrap
12:44 matts Joubu, yes, I was.
12:45 ashimema yeah.. that's exactly what I thought.. it just disables modal login..
12:45 ashimema my shib stuff gets around that..
12:46 cait tcohen: î didn't do anything
12:46 cait ashimema++ and matts++
12:47 tcohen you've got shibboleth patches tested
12:47 cait not quite there yet
12:47 cait but i can log in !
12:49 ztajoli Hi to all. Test of serials done and the module is OK for UTF-8
12:49 matts cait, you can log in but it's not ok ?
12:50 ashimema well.. more like 'in testing' tcohen.
12:50 ashimema sh'es finding me followups ;)
12:50 ashimema but we're really close now.
12:53 cait ztajoli++
12:53 cait matts: not back to cas yet - but can log in with shibboleth now, still needs bit more testing
12:55 matts ok !
12:58 ashimema erm..
12:58 ashimema opac-search.pl seems to manage to skip auth.pm altogether somehow?
13:05 cait hm can somen help me out with some 'public library' features in Koha?
13:06 cait i have family accounts and the age restriction on records... but running out of ideas a bit :)
13:06 ashimema Joubu.. you about and able to advise on using the debugger a bit?
13:06 ashimema multiple branches cait?
13:08 Joubu ashimema: I can try, which debugger?
13:08 Joubu the Vdebug vim plugin?
13:09 ashimema yup..
13:09 ashimema seems to be working fine for me..
13:09 ashimema except I can't seem to trigger it to run on opac-search.pl
13:10 ashimema wondering if you'de ever come accross that
13:13 cait ashimema: thx, added sth about that
13:13 cait someone heard about bus stop management? :)
13:13 cait for the library bus
13:13 ashimema oh hang on..
13:13 ashimema that's odd.
13:13 ashimema I can trigger the debugger in opac-search.pl if i'm logged in..
13:14 ashimema but not if i'm not
13:16 ztajoli UTF-8 problems on ACQ. Description in bug 12650
13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12650 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , UTF-8: ACQ, problems after saved a new budget
13:16 cait matts: around?
13:16 rhcl bus stop management?
13:16 cait yeah
13:17 cait you say i am at bus stop x
13:17 matts cait, yep, around
13:17 cait and then the loan period will differe from the bus stop before, because you might only be there every 4 weeks... or every 2 weeks, depending on routes
13:17 cait trying cas again
13:17 cait looking not so good
13:17 cait could you take a look?
13:18 matts yep
13:18 cait pm
13:18 rhcl cait: not quite sure I follow you, but for our bookmobile we do indeed have a checkout period...
13:19 rhcl which matches the schedule of the bookmobile stops, and which differs from the inhouse checkout period
13:19 cait rhcl: the problem here as that they wanted different loan periods depending on the bus stip
13:19 cait because i think they run different routs, so some bus stops get visited more often than others
13:19 rhcl hummm, I think we just have a single "bookmobile checkout period", but I can check with our bookmobile
13:20 rhcl person when she gets in
13:20 vfernandes hi people!
13:20 vfernandes one question: why with .ttf correctly defined the fields don't appear in PDF?
13:21 vfernandes with no .ttf definition in koha-conf.xml the fields are printed in PDF but when printed on paper don't appear :O
13:21 ashimema Joubu ignore that.. somthing must have been cahced.. it hits opac-search now.
13:21 ashimema very odd
13:23 cait vfernandes: fields or characters?
13:23 cait dpavlin: still around?
13:26 vfernandes cait: characters which are from fields of database <surname> <firstname>
13:27 cait hm i don't kwno enough about the cardnumber printing, maybe a bug report
13:28 vfernandes something is strange because with no ttf definition the card appears fine in PDF
13:29 vfernandes but when I try to print the chracters aren't printed
13:29 cait you checked the the font exists? with the characters you need?
13:31 vfernandes I can sent you a PDF with the card
13:31 Joubu ztajoli++
13:32 cait vfernandes: i won't be able to help much
13:32 cait better to put it on a bug for the lable module
13:33 vfernandes cait the problem is that I need this working for tomorrow
13:34 cait mailing list maybe
13:34 cait or trying here agian a bit later if noone knows
13:37 ztajoli Joubu: is it possible to test with perl 5.14? The debian stable (whezzy) use 5.14
13:38 ztajoli I test now the situation on a master without bug 11944
13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:39 Joubu ztajoli: No sorry, I cannot upgrade a sandbox
13:41 ztajoli OK, wait a little
13:47 ztajoli I confirm, the bug is present also on master, not connect with bug 11944
13:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:48 ztajoli Do you have any idea on unicode/utf-8 differenct between perl 5.10 and 5.18 ?
13:51 Joubu ztajoli: no I don't. But when I took a look at the other bug, it seems that perl 5.10 does not like to use special chars as hash keys
13:51 Joubu { λλλ => "λλλ" } becomes { ??? => "λλλ" }
13:56 vfernandes patron cards module is not working properly in koha 3.16.1
13:57 vfernandes i've tried in another computer and PDF don't open the image...
13:58 bgkriegel vfernandes: you mean patron image?
13:59 vfernandes is patron image
13:59 vfernandes *yes...
13:59 vfernandes i don't know what to do....
14:00 vfernandes in my computer (Ubuntu) the PDF with ttf configuration is generated only with patron image
14:00 bgkriegel and you said it happens after setting ttf fonts?
14:01 vfernandes in my computer the PDF with no ttf configuration is corretly generated but when printed the patron fields (like surname, firstname) aren't printed
14:02 bgkriegel but patron cards does not use ttf fonts, I think
14:02 vfernandes in my boss computer (Mac OS) the PDF doesn't have the patron image but the patron fields are corretly printed
14:02 vfernandes bgkriegel : patron cards module does use ttf fonts
14:02 oleonard Hi all
14:03 tcohen wb oleonard!!
14:03 bgkriegel ok :)
14:04 cait hi bgkriegel
14:05 bgkriegel hi cait :)
14:05 bgkriegel is your poedit updated?
14:05 cait yep, it solved the problem
14:18 rhcl cait: we do have bookmobile routes with differing time periods, but we only use one bookmobile checkout period
14:18 rhcl set to the length of the longest interval
14:23 cait rhcl: i thik that's reasonable - but libraries are all different :)
14:23 cait @quote get 123
14:23 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:23 huginn cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:24 ztajoli Joubu: do you use perl 5.18 on Debian or Ubuntu ?
14:24 ztajoli Which version (of distro)
14:24 ztajoli ?
14:25 Joubu ztajoli: debian testing
14:25 ztajoli And do you have complied all locales ?
14:25 Joubu What do you mean?
14:26 ztajoli when you install debian you need to 'compile one or locales, and after select one.
14:26 Joubu I have LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
14:28 Joubu sandboxes use fr_FR.UTF-8
14:29 ztajoli locale setup is done with "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
14:29 ztajoli in the first step you 'compile' locales
14:29 ztajoli in the second step you select one
14:30 ztajoli you can compile all locales if you want
14:31 ztajoli Ok, I finish to test on ACQ then I try to test on a debian with perl 5.14
14:53 cait gmcharlt++ making me laugh on twitter
14:54 ashimema cait++ for having patience with the shibboleth bug and giving me lots of followups
14:55 cait ashimema++ for having lots of patience
14:55 cait and doing all the hard work really
15:03 reiveune bye
15:12 dpavlin cait: back at keyboard
15:21 cait vfernandes: had a question about the .tff settings
15:21 cait i thought you would know maybe where his problem was
15:24 ashimema my qa and signoff stats for this month are pityful.. sorry guys
15:24 cait you just past that ldap bug
15:24 cait i am happy :)
15:24 ashimema :)
15:27 * oleonard gives ashimema a big hearty American-style whack on the back for encouragement
15:30 vfernandes cait : i'm still getting the "bug"
15:31 oleonard I wonder if after a certain number of version changes we should remove INSTALL files which haven't been updated
15:31 * oleonard is looking at INSTALL.opensuse "for Installing Koha 3.0.0 on openSUSE 11.3"
15:34 vfernandes this is driving me crazy
15:35 cait vfernandes: now you missed dpavlin - he is the expert
15:35 dpavlin vfernandes: you didn't miss me (yet), but I have to re-read irc log to figure out what is driving you crazy :-)
15:36 dpavlin oh, patron cards....
15:36 vfernandes yes... somehow the patron card is being generated right without ttf but wrong with ttf configuration
15:37 vfernandes besides that when printing a correct patron card the characters aren't being printed...
15:38 vfernandes i've compared 3.12 version with 3.16 and besides Font method and StrWidth of Creators/PDF.pm everything is the same
15:39 vfernandes those methods were modified to load ttf file
15:39 * dpavlin checking
15:40 dpavlin I'm getting application error
15:40 dpavlin Can't use string ("1") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /srv/koha//C4/Patroncards/Patroncard.pm line 102.
15:40 dpavlin whey I try to create patron cards. (error is inside pdf file which isn't pdf)
15:41 dpavlin but, you don't have same problem, maybe my configuration is broken (we are not using patron cards, we are printing directly on RFID cards using alternative method)
15:43 Joubu vfernandes: I have to go, but take a look at bug 8375
15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Pushed to Master , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
15:43 Joubu I raised some issues in a note at the end of the bug report
15:44 vfernandes Joubu : 3.12 almost uses the same code and it's working
15:44 vfernandes 3.16 not
15:44 Joubu bug 8375 has been pushed to 3.16 ;)
15:45 dpavlin so it's mine to fix, right? ;-)
15:45 vfernandes Joubu : I don't have problem with diacrits for now... the caracters are appearing in the PDF with no ttf configuration, except when printed in paper
15:45 vfernandes looks like a problem with the Font
15:45 Joubu bug 12194 ?
15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12194 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Some fonts don't work on printing label
15:46 dpavlin if you don't have ttf fonts defined, than pdf will fallback to built-in fonts
15:46 dpavlin which *might* have utf-8 characters on your computer, but don't have it on printer
15:47 vfernandes i'm using helvetica
15:47 Joubu maybe it's wrong lead, just what you described mades me remember this bug
15:47 Joubu see you tomorrow!
15:47 vfernandes bye Joubu
15:49 vfernandes on koha-conf: <font type="H" >/usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf</font>
15:50 dpavlin I have somehow to persuade patron cards generator to work with borrower attributes (which we are using) and after that I will try to test it.
15:54 dpavlin I'm also getting Unknown column 'lastname' in 'field list' at /srv/koha//C4/Patroncards/Lib.pm line 108
16:00 ztajoli Hi, finish to test ACQ.
16:01 ztajoli Still a problem on printing basket group with non latin diacritics.
16:02 ztajoli But probably a general problem of sandbox.
16:02 ztajoli I fill a bug about it after a test on master
16:07 oleonard How could one trigger a fail of xt/author/translatable-templates.t?
16:08 ztajoli Bye
16:24 cait oleonard: maybe the old problem with nested tt inside of html tag?
16:25 cait if else for selected=selected or not selected
16:25 cait have to run :) bye all
16:49 Ant I tried to upgrade from 3.12 to 3.14, but during the Koha database update, an error "DBD::mysql::db do failed" occured. Anyone know how to fix that?
17:00 oleonard Looks like xt/author/show-template-structure.pl is only relevant for HTML::Template::Pro. Is there any reason to keep it?
17:00 antcwts I tried to upgrade from 3.12 to 3.14, but during the Koha database update, an error "DBD::mysql::db do failed" error occured. Anyone has the same problem?
17:03 oleonard I don't know what that means antcwts but it might help if you had more details about the error. Was it output to the screen? Did you find it in the logs?
17:04 antcwts the error is output to the screen
17:21 * oleonard tried mangling a template and running xt/author/translatable-templates.t but it still passed
17:30 cait hmm
17:30 cait do the comments in the file tell you something?
17:30 * cait is having dinner, but can look when the keyboard is a bit safer
17:34 jcamins oleonard: it's checking for irony.
17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12164: (followup) MoveOrders description corrected <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44343dc1325051993d07c1d8e794c3d2fd67baa4> / Bug 12164: Fix decimal number display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=359590f36a2ca656fb3b4c4fc63cc915cee50794> / Bug 12164: Fix some typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64490cb48011eb6ed9958fb0
17:49 nengard_phone hi all, i get this error after doing a fetch just now, what am i missing/did i do wrong?
17:50 nengard_phone http://paste.koha-community.org/116
17:50 nengard_phone I don't see a missing module message like usual
17:51 cait tcohen: arund still? :)
17:51 tcohen almost
17:51 cait nengard_phone: hm that looks acq
17:51 cait where do you see it?
17:51 nengard_phone when i try to get to my staff client
17:52 nengard_phone so i did a fetch
17:52 nengard_phone and then went to my staff client url
17:52 cait let me check
17:53 cait nengard_phone: try again a git fetch/pull
17:54 cait tcohen just pushed something, maybe it overlapped
17:54 tcohen nengard_phone: how do u reproduce that?
17:54 cait nengard_phone: it works ok for me
17:55 nengard_phone it's saying i'm already up to date
17:55 nengard_phone nothing to pull
17:56 tcohen nengard_phone: could you explain the context of the error?
17:56 nengard_phone http://paste.koha-community.org/117
17:56 tcohen page/action/smth?
17:56 nengard_phone I did a fetch, I went to my main staff client url to log in and can't log in - i see that error
17:56 nengard_phone i'm not presented with the staff client log in message
17:56 nengard_phone jsut the error
17:58 tcohen git diff origin/master ?
17:59 tcohen git fetch origin ; git diff origin/master
18:02 nengard_phone nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone$ git fetch origin ; git diff origin/master
18:02 nengard_phone nengard@kohavm:~/kohaclone$
18:09 nengard so it looks like i have the most recent master
18:10 cait i can't reproduce the problem
18:11 cait what's the last commit with git log?
18:13 tcohen "(followup) MoveOrders description corrected" ¿
18:16 nengard_ do you think i should clear out acq data?
18:20 tcohen nengard: no
18:20 tcohen is your db information private?
18:20 tcohen or is just a development db?
18:21 tcohen also, what perl version/environment are you working on?
18:21 nengard it's a VM installed locally
18:21 nengard let me check the perl version - how do i get that
18:22 nengard This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
18:23 tcohen nengard:
18:23 tcohen try
18:23 tcohen git checkout a9c0e18d0ab90143fe343a5a15b833ecde5c13f4 -b testing_acq
18:24 nengard that got me the installer
18:24 nengard should I run through the installer process?
18:25 tcohen can u do a db dump before?
18:25 nengard sure
18:25 tcohen and send it to me please? :-D
18:25 nengard yes
18:25 nengard might be too big to email ... we'll see
18:25 martian523 hi, upgraded to 3.12 a few days ago, found out that some authorities are lost
18:25 tcohen gzip it
18:26 martian523 and also even though the settings are set to automatically add non-existing authorities, seems like it's not adding
18:27 tcohen martian523: you upgraded from version...?
18:28 martian523 um....3.10
18:28 * tcohen loves jenkins
18:29 cait :)
18:29 tcohen nengard: there's a problem with Debian Squeeze
18:29 tcohen (i mean, i love the way we've set jenkins, so we can spot this stuff)
18:29 nengard wait ... so it's my debian install that's broken?
18:32 tcohen no no, current master on *any* Debian Squeezed
18:32 cait jenkins++
18:32 nengard cool! so it's not me ;) hehe
18:33 cait and i am on newest ubuntu - so can't reproduce
18:33 martian523 so is there a way to fix the authorities?
18:33 nengard Do I not want to run the database updater then?
18:33 cait and can stop trying :P
18:33 nengard should I wait for a bug fix?
18:33 cait martian523: it's unlikely that koha changed your data
18:33 cait it could be related to indexing
18:33 cait not finding the record
18:33 martian523 or just manually re-add them?
18:33 cait i'd check the database first, if you can find the record there
18:33 cait looking at the data in the auth_header table
18:33 tcohen martian523: you can look for the authority record on the DB to make sure it is there (we don't delete anything)
18:33 martian523 i checked the authorities records, not there
18:34 cait hm it should really not be possible to happen, it might be something weird
18:34 cait no tenough disk space? incomplete dump?
18:41 nengard tcohen should i run the db update on this new branch? and/or do i need to report a bug for the problem with squeeze?
18:41 tcohen nengard: i'm about to push a fix
18:41 tcohen a followup
18:41 wahanui a followup is, like, a patch that applies after the other one with the differences
18:41 nengard awesome!!!!
18:41 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, nengard
18:41 nengard tcohen++
18:42 nengard What's with the awesome jar ...
18:42 * nengard missed something
18:44 bgkriegel Bug 12649, easy one for QA :)
18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , Add Croatian language
18:47 oleonard Is it just me or does xt/author/valid-templates.t fail spectacularly?
18:47 oleonard According to my test it hasn't worked for ages.
18:47 * nengard doesn't know what that is ...
18:47 tcohen it is you :-P
18:48 tcohen you might be missing some dependency?
18:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12164: (followup) keys expects a hash parameter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=305224b562cb0c1e7acce4d59ba2f13994f5be8b>
18:49 bgkriegel oleonard: works for me
18:50 cait brb
18:51 oleonard Great.
18:53 * tcohen feels relieved Koha on Debian 6 is back to functional
18:53 tcohen bye #koha!
18:57 oleonard Can anyone suggest how I might find out why xt/author/valid-templates.t fails for only me?
18:57 cait hm can you paste how it fails?
18:57 cait did you run it with perl for a test? oftne gives better output
18:59 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "xt/author/valid-templates.t failures" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/118
19:00 cait hm
19:00 cait adn perl looks the same, instead of prove?
19:01 oleonard Yes
19:06 oleonard Hm for all I know that's why I can't get translate-templates.t to fail
19:07 oleonard I should just submit the stupid patch with the test plan "I don't know, test it or whatever."
19:26 bgkriegel oleonard: test pass for perl v5.18.2, fails for perl 5.14.2
19:26 cait test pass for me too
19:26 cait 5.18.2 ubuntu
19:27 bgkriegel but fails on ubuntu 12.04
19:30 cait i hve the newest
19:30 cait always forget the number
19:31 cait i am realyl really bad with numbers
19:31 bgkriegel on 14.04.1 LTS (perl v5.18.2) it pass, on 12.04.4 LTS (perl v5.14.2) fails :(
19:40 cait bgkriegel: around?
19:40 cait i am looking at the patch for croatan
19:40 bgkriegel yes
19:40 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=30042
19:40 cait the uk-ua doesn't look right
19:40 cait doubled up?
19:41 cait i could just remove one of the 2 sections
19:41 cait if you are ok with that
19:42 bgkriegel oops, yes of course. that was one the missing langs, perhaps double paste
19:43 cait yeah i thnk it's just a double paste
19:43 cait i will fix :)
19:43 cait i fixed it and trying just that file now on my database
19:44 cait bgkriegel: hm how do they sort? the langs?
19:44 cait because it's the last on advanced search list now
19:44 bgkriegel I see that
19:44 bgkriegel *saw
19:45 cait it seems mostly sorted by alphabet
19:45 bgkriegel let me see
19:45 cait but not consistently so
19:47 cait hm it's the database order it seems?
19:47 cait he put croatian at the bottom of the list - so it shows up last
19:47 bgkriegel is not ordered
19:48 cait i think i pass ant test your patches soon :)
19:49 bgkriegel we need to modify getLanguages() on C4/Languages.pm. Returns an array but in no particular order
19:49 bgkriegel hope you can test it :)
19:50 cait heh
19:50 cait hope to get to your patches soon
19:50 cait i am noting it on the patch what we saw
19:54 bgkriegel if not, can try to add missing languages on Bug 9056
19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
19:55 cait hm more missing?
19:56 bgkriegel a lot
19:56 bgkriegel there are missing descriptions taking into account Pootle languages :)
19:58 bgkriegel many of which have not shown any activity in a while
19:59 cait i thimk if there is noone asking right now
19:59 cait maybe better to concentrate to get them out of the database first
19:59 cait and then fix one central file... instead of lal the installer files
20:02 bgkriegel yeap
20:06 bgkriegel cait: failed 12445. I tested on new db, using the usual one it fails, my bad
20:06 cait bgkriegel: not a problem
20:07 cait i think there has been some discussion which databases it should pass on - empty or not
20:07 cait but i think this is probably easy to fix with a bit of clean up we have in lots of files already
20:07 cait bgkriegel: could you maybe check 12568 for me?
20:07 cait i don't see the new message :(
20:07 cait bug 12568
20:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Improve visibility of successful renewal via opac
20:08 bgkriegel ok :)
20:08 cait i only have one checout
20:19 bgkriegel cait: testing, but need to take the boy to english class :) Back in minutes
20:19 cait :)
20:24 martian523 i don't know what's happening to my KOHA, everything i saved is not saving
20:24 martian523 check disk space, plenty of room
20:25 martian523 new titles not saving, authorities not saving,
20:25 martian523 what's going on? i'm getting depressed here.
20:25 martian523 all started after upgraded to 3.12 from 3.10
20:30 cait martian523: i think someting is seriously wrong on your system.
20:30 martian523 yes, i want to know what it is
20:30 martian523 it was working fine before the upgrade
20:31 martian523 IT dept said there were no errors when upgrading
20:31 cait the upgrade shouldn't really change something that explains this
20:31 cait given it was installed properly before
20:31 cait you could check what the logs say when you try to save somthing
20:32 martian523 just like before, just saves
20:32 martian523 and it appears to be saved
20:32 martian523 but when i try to look for it again, it's not there
20:32 cait how are you looking at it?
20:32 cait are you searching for it?
20:33 martian523 so i imported bibs from oclc, those bibs are there
20:33 martian523 however, when i tried to search for them, it's not there
20:34 martian523 used titles to search, barcodes to search, authors to search
20:34 martian523 none
20:34 cait i think probably not indexed
20:34 cait not saved is more unlikey
20:34 cait did you change the frameworks?
20:34 martian523 so something went wrong with the indexing?
20:34 martian523 nope
20:35 martian523 did not change anything in frameworks
20:35 martian523 re-run the indexing?
20:35 cait check the entries in the zebraqueue table
20:36 cait if they are done
20:36 cait it's the queue for indexing new and changed records
20:36 martian523 is it in the backend
20:36 cait you can query it from reports
20:38 martian523 sorry, i'm not IT, so should I ask IT to do something with the zebra.pl?
20:39 cait check if the reindexing job runs
20:39 cait i guess you really need it to take a look
20:39 cait at the server
20:39 martian523 ok
20:39 cait because everything you can do - like looking at error logs
20:39 cait is server side
20:39 martian523 i see
20:43 bgkriegel cait: does not show (Renewed! message)
20:43 cait ok, i am failing it
20:43 cait thxx for checking!
20:44 bgkriegel variable on opac-user.pl is empty
21:08 bgkriegel cait: I left a note on the bug, on how to fix it
21:08 cait thx!
21:48 wizzyrea Is there a bug for "forgotten password" functionality?
21:48 wizzyrea I can't seem to find it.
21:50 rangi bug 8753
21:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , Add forgot password link to OPAC
21:50 wizzyrea ah thanks
21:50 wizzyrea that's an odyssey.
21:51 pianohacker yup, 50+ comments qualifies as an oddysey
21:51 pianohacker dammit spelling.
21:51 pianohacker I need to eat lunch
21:51 wizzyrea hehe
21:51 rangi @later tell dyrcona sounds fine to me, that's pretty similar to what i was thinking its funny how you get halfway into something and can see a much better way :)
21:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:21 rangi @wunder nzwn
22:21 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:22 bag @wunder blythe, ca
22:22 huginn bag: The current temperature in Blythe, California is 45.0°C (2:52 PM PDT on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM MST /8 PM PDT/ this evening...
22:22 bag that's where mario is from
22:22 bag @wunder SBA
22:22 huginn bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 24.0°C (2:53 PM PDT on July 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
22:23 rangi 45!!!
22:23 rangi thats just silly
22:23 bag no kidding
22:24 bag that's 113 in F
22:48 bag_prison hmm that's because I'm going to play a baseball game in San Quetin this weekend
22:49 bag_prison maybe I should change that
22:49 bag_away_at HAHAHAHA
23:05 dcook hehe
23:30 wizzyrea jesus crazy
23:31 wizzyrea 9 is not terrible for winter.
23:31 wizzyrea 9 and sunny is downright pleasant.
23:31 wizzyrea 9 and wind/rain is esh.
23:39 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
23:39 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 11.0°C (9:00 AM EST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
23:39 dcook hmm, that's about accurate
23:40 eythian @wunder nzwn
23:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (11:30 AM NZST on July 25, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
23:40 eythian ha! we win!
23:40 dcook hehe
23:40 wizzyrea \o/
23:40 wizzyrea hey that's getting into "warmish"
23:41 dcook That's what I was thinking