Time Nick Message 00:07 Dyrcona Whee! Three hundred eight lines of code (including comments) just to initialize itself. 00:11 * dcook was also wondering why Koha has a "street number" field 00:13 rangi makes localising easier 00:13 rangi some places do road first, number after 00:14 dcook O_o 00:14 dcook Actually, that makes a certain amount of sense... 00:14 dcook Hm 00:15 * dcook loves when he encounters things that he considers "weird"...but are actually more logical than "normal". 00:15 dcook Mind you, I guess you read the address from the bottom up in a way 00:15 * dcook shuts up before he spirals into a monologue about addresses 00:16 rangi :) 00:23 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10264458/Coffin-found-floating-in-Hutt-River <-- not smart 00:23 rangi yeah 00:24 eythian dcook: it's not that unusal, parts of Europe do it that way (I know .nl does, possible .de too.) 00:24 dcook Yikes.. 00:24 * dcook ponders 00:25 dcook France might too. I remember there being something different when I was writing French addresses... 00:25 dcook Nope 00:25 rangi yeah i think they do 00:25 dcook Not France 00:25 rangi ah no they just do the type first 00:25 dcook I think their post codes come before their city though 00:25 dcook type? 00:25 wahanui type is used for some things, like how to convert it when saving, and things like that. 00:25 eythian Yeah, France has the number first, then the street type 00:25 eythian "rue" 00:27 dcook Person NAME 00:27 dcook Building A 00:27 dcook 11 Rue du GENERAL DE GAULLE 00:27 dcook 74001 PARIS 00:27 dcook Everyone just has to be different...:p 00:28 dcook In Australia, we do: Street Number Street \n Suburb State Postcode \n Country 00:28 dcook In Canada, it's: Street Number Street \n City, Province \n Postcode \n Country 00:28 eythian I think here postcode goes after city, but we don't really use regions in addresses. 00:29 eythian (unless you're buying something from a place that insists you fill out the state box.) 00:29 dcook I've often wondered about point of putting city, province or suburb state if a postcode is there 00:30 eythian I presume redundancy 00:30 dcook As I imagined it's sorted via the code? 00:30 dcook Probably 00:30 dcook Of course, we still get mail for the house right next to us 00:30 dcook Even though our front yard is a disaster zone and theirs is immaculate with a very nice post box and big bright numbers 00:30 * dcook thinks the postal workers like to troll the neighbourhood 00:30 eythian heh 00:31 dcook We also get letters on top of our post box even when it's empty 00:31 dcook Or next to it 00:31 dcook Guess I can't give them too much of a hard time. It must be a back-breaking job at times... 00:32 eythian I think you need a better postie 00:32 dcook hehe 00:33 dcook I think we also need a better front yard... 00:34 eythian may also be an option. 03:19 BobB dcook 'postal worker' is one of the famous examples for oxymoron 03:19 BobB 'military intelligence' is the other one 03:20 BobB lunch now :) 03:20 dcook ;) 03:24 eythian BobB: you missed "Microsoft Works™" 03:25 eythian which I suppose is less of a joke now the product doesn't exist... 04:48 * cait waves 04:49 eythian hi cait 04:49 cait hi eythian :) 04:51 cait dcook: i need more records in my database i think - thx for ocmmenting,...i will give it another try 04:52 dcook cait: no worries. I would try a really common word and see what happens 04:52 cait i did vary my searches a bit, but didn#t see much difference really 04:53 cait but ... i will again. this one is really confusing me. 04:53 dcook Me too. It should just work :/ 04:58 cait eythian: can you test ldap things? 04:58 eythian not really 04:58 cait hm 04:59 cait i am still looking for someone to give 8148 another sign off so i can passit 05:01 eythian I've generally used prod servers to test LDAP, I don't have a testing one set up 05:01 eythian bug 8148 05:01 wahanui bug 8148 is kind of related 05:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Signed Off , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password 05:01 eythian I thought mtompsett has LDAP set up 05:02 dcook I think Bywater folk use LDAP 05:02 dcook They would probably be good people to ask 05:04 cait i will see if i can catch mtompset 06:53 cait1 good morning #koha 07:18 dcook night time, cait1 07:19 cait1 good night dcook 08:40 cait1 hi atheia, marcelr and ashimema 08:41 marcelr hi cait1 and #koha 08:43 atheia Good morning cait! 08:43 cait :) 10:44 slef @later tell paul_p are you aware of #ifla #wlic2014 in Lyon in Aug? Seems an odd time for a conference in FR (Aug is holidays, no?) but what do I know? 10:44 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 10:52 marcelr hi khall: i submitted a followup for your qa suggestion 10:52 marcelr on bug 12265 10:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improve Z39.50 servers administration (incl DBIx) 11:35 tcohen morning! 11:35 wahanui i heard morning was a state of cat 11:39 marcelr hi tcohen 11:40 tcohen hi marcelr 11:52 marcelr khall++ 11:53 khall marcelr: thanks for the followup! 12:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12534 - PROG/CCSR deprecation: Make getlanguages() theme independent for opac <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3c7068709177408af59fb4e9538f623ba945a18> / Bug 12470: (followup) License statement missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=61dc0ab223aa2a3e83bf980cd5616a325e03871a> / Bug 12470: adding unit tests for the routines CheckValidBarCode and CheckIfIssu 12:09 francharb Good morning #koha 12:16 tcohen morning francharb 12:26 oleonard Hi everyone 12:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8773 - Start per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eed7f263d0a3a2380d9ca35ce3ab26dbadd1da22> / Bug 12265: [QA Follow-up] - Improve usage of find <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=56ffda0a703b5d42540c56eafb8d226c0ebf18ad> / Bug 12265: [QA Follow-up] Replace DBIx search by find <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko 12:35 * cait waves 12:35 cait hi tcohen 12:36 tcohen hi cait, and congratulations! 12:36 cait thx! it was a loong game, I think either team could have won 12:36 cait but ... happy it was us :) 12:37 tcohen i, we weren't lucky enough, had our chaces 12:37 tcohen chances 12:37 tcohen but that's how this game is 12:38 cait yeah, but it was a good game 12:38 tcohen indded 13:04 oleonard Bonne fête Nationale to all my French friends 13:05 tcohen :-D 13:05 * oleonard supposes many are not around to hear it 13:07 cait oleonard: I hope it was ok i closed the ccsr bugs? 13:07 oleonard cait: Yes. I hesitated because some could theoretically be fixed in stable. However, I doubt that will really happen. 13:08 cait i got a little worried that my bug closing frenzy went a bit too far 13:08 cait ah - i thought so too - noone is going to touch them really 13:08 cait and if somthing is really bad... someone might complain about closing those 13:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:50 tcohen hi mtompset 13:50 mtompset oleonard: *ping* 13:50 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :) 13:50 oleonard Hi 13:50 wahanui salut, oleonard 13:50 mtompset Greeting, oleonard. I have a seriously delayed question for you regarding bug 11881 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11881 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Small improvements in OPAC results list. 13:51 mtompset How does "Wrap the individual library lines in a span which can be made "display:block" in custom CSS." apply to using a comma vs. a line break? 13:52 mtompset The line is identical except all the commas are replaced by <br /> instead of ,. 13:52 mtompset Wouldn't a system preference be better? 13:53 mtompset tcohen: Consolences on the loss. ;) 13:53 tcohen np 13:53 oleonard We already have too many system preferences. We don't need one for something like this. 13:54 oleonard Customization options are there for people to be able to make Koha work they way they want it to. Let's make the page structure work for this customization without foisting the proposed design on everyone. 13:56 tcohen +1 13:56 nengard oleonard I don't agree that we have 'too many' - the more we have the more options people have and I see that as a good thing ... just saying :) 13:56 nengard ^^ is not in reference to the bug - just in general 13:57 oleonard True nengard. 13:57 nengard :) 13:57 oleonard We have "too many" in the sense that it is cumbersome (I imagine) for a new library to sift through them all 13:57 nengard true 13:58 nengard that's why i do that for all our partners at training :) hehe 14:05 tcohen mtompset: will u work on a followup implementing oleonard's suggestions? 14:06 mtompset I agree we have too many to sift through for a new library. 14:06 mtompset I was thinking about it, since I don't like "Failed QA" associate with me. :P 14:07 tcohen i mean, add the spans so it can be achieved using just CSS 14:08 mtompset So would I <span>,<span><br> with the two spans being different classes? 14:08 mtompset (pseudo, not actual) 14:08 tcohen forget about the <br> 14:08 mtompset (too lazy to type </span>) 14:09 mtompset But the br is part of the reason the person put in the bug report. 14:09 oleonard You wrap the output you want on separate lines in a <span> with a special class. 14:09 tcohen the point of the span is that you can style it with display:block and have the same result 14:09 oleonard Then you style that class with "display:block" to make it go on its own line without a <br> 14:09 tcohen mtompset: your's would be a followup that achieves the same, better 14:10 oleonard (actually you don't add any style at all, but make a note in the patch what style could be added if desired) 14:10 mtompset Right... 14:10 tcohen ^^^^^^^exactly 14:18 mtompset oleonard: I can't get such a CSS to work. 14:19 oleonard Can you paste the template change you're testing with? 14:19 mtompset I'm trying a general case without code changes. 14:19 ashimema jumping in on the 'too many sysprefs' row. 14:19 mtompset Hard coded \n's always become same line whitespace. 14:20 oleonard Why are we talking about \n's mtompset? 14:20 ashimema I'de like to see a stricter rule on what prefs are librarian changable i.e. from the staff cleint, and what prefs are admin changable.. i.e. in the conf.xml file. 14:20 mtompset because I thought we were having no brs. 14:21 oleonard No brs no \ns 14:21 tcohen mtompset: a good dample would be <span class="brd">Something1</span><span class="brd">Something2</span> 14:21 ashimema <p><span>line1</span><span>line2</span></p> like 14:21 ashimema lol.. what he said. 14:22 ashimema then in css you could just put ".brd { display: block; }" 14:22 ashimema for tcohen's example. 14:22 tcohen :-D 14:22 ashimema team work ;) 14:22 tcohen \o/ 14:23 mtompset AH! 14:23 mtompset Got it, understand it, will implement it. 14:24 * ashimema envisions the light bulb above mtompset's head just getting so bright that it exploded 14:24 mtompset Exploding would mean that I suddenly didn't understand again. I do have those kind of moment, but this isn't one of them. :) 14:24 ashimema hehe 14:25 ashimema fair point 14:34 tcohen oleonard: do u have some schedule for submitting the patch that removes ccsr and prog? 14:34 oleonard Soon? :) 14:34 tcohen awesome 14:35 tcohen several dependent ones are already passed-qa 14:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11744: Add regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dcb153a28fcdc268d1b8fc2efae5c2bd91c1fb1> / Bug 11744: A receipt should not be cancelled if holds exist <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e94528ef7274a4a8f47a0218af43cc8bf8e5e19b> / Bug 11744: Cancel a receipt does not delete items created on receiving <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha. 15:20 tcohen north hemisphere == holiday? 15:25 oleonard Not here in USA 15:27 oleonard In France I think. Germany is probably just hung over (not cait of course :) ) 15:30 tcohen heh 15:35 mtompset Well, the prog-side of the patch is done, but untested. :) 15:35 tcohen mtompset++ 15:36 mtompset Not sure people will like "CommasWithLinebreaks" as a class name. ;) 15:37 tcohen xslt-callnumber? 15:38 oleonard mtompset: I don't. The class name should refer to what it wraps, not what you want it to do. 15:39 mtompset The problem is it wraps more than just the call number. 15:39 oleonard Other people might want to use the class name as a hook to style it in another way, with color or font 15:39 mtompset LabelCallNumber was the other class name I went with. 15:40 mtompset But I suppose xslt-callnumber might be an okay rename for the latter. 15:42 tcohen now we are removing non-xslt view, maybe detail-callnumber 15:44 mtompset item-details, item-callnumber? 15:44 tcohen stuff wrapped + context 15:45 tcohen swap(stuff, wrapped) 15:45 mtompset itemdetails-results? 15:45 mtompset results-itemdetails? 15:46 mtompset Because these are the item details displayed in the OPAC search results. 15:46 mtompset with the call number being a specific case of whether it is labelled or not. 15:55 tcohen mtompset: i see it wrong 15:56 mtompset I'm not sure what you mean. 15:56 tcohen my glasses are doing wrong 15:56 tcohen (kidding, it was an idiomatic mistake) 15:57 mtompset Beer googles again, tcohen? ;) 15:57 tcohen you're adding two spans 15:58 tcohen CommasWithLinebreaks which seems to wrap the whole thing 15:58 tcohen and LabelCallNumber 15:59 mtompset Yes. 15:59 mtompset The former, linebreaks (or not -- default), and the latter labels (or not-- default). 16:02 tcohen you should ask oleonard i guess 16:02 oleonard mtompset: You're working on this because it is a change your library would like to see? 16:02 tcohen i wouldn't change the default behaviour 16:03 mtompset No, I'm working on it, because I don't like failed QA beside my name. :P 16:13 tcohen mtompset: don't change the default, just add the spans 16:13 tcohen and i'm not sure we use CamelCase for class names 16:13 mtompset That's what the second patch is for, to keep the defaults. :) 16:16 * tcohen is happy jenkins is running *all* the tests now 16:17 mtompset is this related to your debian squeeze, wheezy, 12.04 and 14.04 thing a while back? 16:18 tcohen not exactly 16:18 tcohen but somehow 16:19 tcohen the scripts that launch the unit tests (on all nodes) weren't covering all unit test files 16:21 mtompset Ah. 17:15 oleonard Shouldn't Bug 12561 depend on rather than block Bug 2619, 5229, etc.? 17:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views 17:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2619 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Turning on XSLTResultsDisplay preference turns off item detail display 17:50 oleonard Oh hey thanks for not answering my question or talking at all while I was away y'all can talk again now. 17:51 mtompset Sorry. :) 17:51 mtompset In a bizzare kind of way, 2619 sounds related to 11881. 18:00 mtompset I think you are correct, oleonard. I think the direction of dependency is wrong. 12561 requires a fix in the XSLT, before the non-XSLT in question for 2619 can be removed. 18:00 mtompset -- well, I didn't check if a fix is required, but you get the idea. 18:01 oleonard Thanks for looking mtompset I felt like I needed a sanity check 18:38 * tcohen sends oleonard cookies (in the absense of cait) 18:40 oleonard Thanks tcohen :) 19:05 cait oleonard++ :) 19:06 tcohen cait 19:06 tcohen does this look correct to you? 19:06 tcohen http://snag.gy/PG24v.jpg 19:06 tcohen (STALLED(0)) 19:07 cait it depends 19:07 tcohen 10519 19:07 cait how does your authorizd value look like? 19:07 cait is the descriotion STALLED or the code? 19:07 cait i think it doensn't look wrong, but i am not sure what i am looking for 19:08 cait oh because the 0 shows up... 19:08 cait is that before and after the patch? 19:08 tcohen I'm using the default values, this is after the patch 19:09 tcohen (before, it was Unknown) 19:09 tcohen hm, it might be related to a suggestion i filled with the db user 19:09 cait hm i don't think htere is a default for the extra suggestion tabs 19:09 cait oh 19:09 cait i have never seen stalled 19:10 cait stalled is irritating me right now 19:10 cait i thought that was a custom one 19:12 tcohen is it the SUGGEST_STATUS one? 19:12 tcohen mine is empty, but I have a sample suggestion on the DB, with STALLED 19:12 tcohen ok 19:13 tcohen its t/db_dependent/Suggestions.t fault 19:14 tcohen it's 19:14 cait oh right 19:14 cait i complained abou tthat once :) 19:14 cait it doesn't clean up 19:14 cait and it uses a non-existant status 19:15 cait i guess the new code made it hsow up, as it looks for non-standard statues 19:15 cait status..es? 19:15 cait and yes, suggest_status allows you to make your own 19:20 tcohen cait, i'm writing a small followup for Suggestions.t and we're done 19:21 cait cool 19:21 cait thx tcohen 19:22 oleonard I keep having to fix Bug 12542 and Bug 11382 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12542 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Tabs inconsistency in different circ-menu.inc uses 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11382 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , patron left menu on purchase suggestions tab not showing all info 19:22 oleonard This thing with having both circ-menu.inc and circ-menu.tt has gone on too long 19:23 oleonard There must be a solution with some T:T wizardry that I have yet to master. 19:24 tcohen oleonard: my guess is that each .pl shouldn't be calculating what needs to tell .tt to show 19:24 tcohen and have some plugin tell instead 19:28 oleonard In the meantime I have a patch almost ready for Bug 12542 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12542 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Tabs inconsistency in different circ-menu.inc uses 19:29 * oleonard will have to finish it tomorrow 19:29 oleonard Bye #koha 19:31 tcohen bye! 19:32 cait ah.. now i was too slow agian 19:33 tcohen we'll see :-P 19:40 pianohacker hallo 19:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10519: (followup) unit tests leave problematic cruft <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=abd6de7da1f5c33694fc4a29a4e7f7f6aa2c222e> / Bug 10519: (followup) Fix context for evalyating $borrowernumber <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c6fde24e85c605294d2aa327dcd46b0139b1055> / Bug 10519: Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken <h 19:47 tcohen bye #koha 19:55 pianohacker hi cait 19:56 cait hi pianohacker, bye khall_away :) 22:21 eythian hi 22:21 wahanui hola, eythian 22:47 rangi hey aleisha, got one to sign off, then have some easy bugs to fix if you want 22:47 rangi bug 9667 22:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9667 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Inventory scrolling to top with every click 22:52 rangi does it make sense? 22:56 aleisha yep 22:56 rangi sweet 23:02 aleisha rangi is it necessary to use a barcode file? 23:02 rangi hmm not sure 23:03 rangi i think you should be able to just type a few in 23:06 aleisha i dont think you can 23:06 rangi ahh bummer, then you might have to open gedit and put a few in a file and save that and use that as the barcode file 23:07 aleisha okay i'll try 23:07 wizzyrea select barcode from items where barcode is not null limit 10 -> add this to saved sql reports then you can just copy paste it from the result 23:08 wizzyrea into your file, that is 23:10 wizzyrea I guess I had not realised that the issue stats pages were largely untranslatable. 23:10 wizzyrea seems a biggish oversight. 23:10 wizzyrea but I can see why no one would want to touch that. 23:11 aleisha where can i find saved sql reports? 23:11 rangi in reports, if you go to the home page 23:12 aleisha cool thank you 23:16 rangi if its still not working, there might be no barcodes in there, in which case we can skip to something else 23:16 wizzyrea could grab and import a marc file with some items on it, I have one 23:18 wizzyrea https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/master/MARC21.mrc 23:18 wizzyrea file -> save 23:18 wizzyrea then go to tools -> stage marc records for import 23:18 wizzyrea select that file 23:20 wizzyrea click "stage for import" 23:21 wizzyrea then click manage staged records 23:21 wizzyrea and click "import into catalogue" 23:21 wizzyrea then hopefully you'll have many things with items and barcodes in your catalogue 23:24 aleisha cool thanks heaps 23:25 wizzyrea nw 23:27 pianohacker bye all