Time Nick Message 00:11 dcook Mmm, that "roadtype" thing sounds familiar 00:11 dcook Ish 00:18 eythian @wunder nzwn 00:18 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 00:24 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 00:24 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (10:00 AM EST on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 00:24 dcook Surely it must be warmer in both places... 00:25 eythian No, it's most likely 11 here. 00:25 eythian Sunny though. 00:25 eythian So it'll probably feel warmer out of the shade. 00:30 dcook Yeah, I'm thinking that must be it 02:25 dcook Hurray! Comics arrived! 02:27 eythian whatcha get? 02:28 dcook Volumes 2-5 of Locke & Key 02:28 dcook Already have 1 at home, and will have to ask the wife if 6 is on the way.. 02:28 cjh :D 02:28 eythian I don't know that one. 02:28 * eythian is not a huge comic person, so that's not too surprising 02:29 dcook I think the authors are NYT best sellers but not sure if the comics are.. 02:29 dcook It's not a good one to read before bed. Pretty darned creepy. 02:30 eythian heh 02:30 dcook Read the first volume cover to cover when I was sick in bed a couple years ago though and kept meaning to read more 02:30 dcook I love me some comics :D 02:30 dcook Started reading web comics in high school but stopped at one point in uni (probably because I needed to sleep and work) 02:31 eythian yeah, I have a few, and quite a number in comixology, they're something I'll binge on for a few days, and then put down for a few months though. 02:32 dcook Yeah, I have that tendency as well 02:32 dcook Well, web comics sometimes I'll stay on for for a while when I'm on the bus/eating lunch/etc 02:33 dcook I'm tempted to look at comixology a bit more now... 02:33 cjh eythian: heh I was just mentioning comixology to dcook in priv :) 02:33 eythian it's quite nifty, especially if you're a casual reader. 02:33 dcook cjh++ #good recommendation 02:33 jcamins I met the comixology people. A colleague ran their office space. 02:34 dcook jcamins: Neato! 02:34 cjh I dislike growing piles of comics, and it is much cheaper (especially for back issues) 02:37 eythian http://youtu.be/iyybPvRsEuY <-- cjh 02:56 cjh > Emojli: the emoji-only network. 02:59 cjh really their landing page should be all emoji 03:04 eythian also, twitter's should be 140 characters only. 03:04 eythian and facebooks all about what you had for breakfast. 03:04 eythian Actually, it probably is. 03:07 cjh http://emojipedia.org/pile-of-poo/ 04:19 cait hm no dcook 04:19 eythian hi cait 04:19 cait hi eythian 04:19 eythian dac is dcook 04:19 cait ah 04:19 cait thx :) 04:20 cait dac: about acq search - i am still confused 04:20 cait my results were only different WITH query parser 04:20 dac O_o 04:20 cait while the bug states it should be different without 04:20 dac How do you mean? 04:20 dac What search did you do? 04:20 cait der 04:20 cait it's an article, i only have 101 records :) 04:21 cait so that gives a bit more than 20 results 04:21 dcook Ok 04:21 dcook So when you're using query parser, are you doing the same search in acq and elsewhere? 04:22 dcook What I mean is... 04:22 dcook Did you have the system preference on for both tests? 04:23 dcook cait: Basically, before applying the patch, if you use QueryParser, you should have relevance ranked results. If you're not using QueryParser, they should be ordered by biblionumber. 04:24 cait dcook: ? 04:25 cait i only tested the serach in acquisitions 04:25 dcook Actually, let me look at Kyle's code again.. 04:25 * dcook isn't overly fond of the patch 04:26 cait sorry, part of the confusion may be because i just woke up... i need some time in the morning :) 04:27 dcook I know that feelings :p 05:05 thd rangi: Are you there? 05:06 eythian thd: it's unlikely 05:06 eythian he's away for today and tomorrow 05:15 thd eythian, has he been away for a few days recently? 05:15 eythian thd: well, it's been the weekend, so effectively yes. 05:15 thd of course, that :) 05:16 thd eythian, Thank you, I will try back in a couple of days. 05:17 * thd returns to work 05:25 francesa sorry to anyone using the koha irc site, I temporarily broke it. I've pushed the fix through now so hopefully it should be working again at some point 06:28 marcelr hi #koha 06:54 alex_a bonjour 06:54 wahanui salut, alex_a 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:22 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B 07:24 cait good morning #koha 07:33 cait morning pa 07:33 cait moning paul_p 07:33 paul_p hi cait. 07:37 cait paul_p: now you don'thave to worry about me QAing patches ;) 07:37 cait did you see my email about the CAS server? 07:37 paul_p cait = yes, I saw it. Will fwd: it to matts who probably has an answer (and I don't) 07:38 cait ok 07:39 paul_p cait = about the match: I thought it was about to be 50/50. The piece fall on the "germany" side, but it could have fall on the "france" side. I don't think german team has played better than the french one (the french one didn't play better than the german though) 07:40 cait paul_p: I don't know enough about soccer to really judge who played better - I enjoy watching but don't know much about it :) 07:40 cait paul_p: but i guess you are right 07:43 paul_p cait what really striked me was that no team was playing as if it were about to loose. The french players, 5mn before the end of the match, were playing as if they were *sure* that they'll win at the end. That's what is "fun" with soccer: you cannot be sure before the real end that you're winner (even when you're 5-0 20mn before the end, you can loose. Very unprobable, but possible) 07:49 cait it was nicer to watch then the second game 07:51 cait good morning ashimema :) 07:52 ashimema good morning cait 07:54 ashimema random question for any linux nerds out there.. is anyone else having frequent crashes with google chrome on ubuntu gnome edition at all.. 07:55 ashimema I've been having crashes with it for month now and they’re getting more frequent 07:55 ashimema s/month/months 08:02 reiveune hello 08:02 wahanui que tal, reiveune 08:04 cait ashimema: rearely using chrome :( 08:05 gaetan_B oh, you did the qa on my patch, thanks cait :) 08:05 gaetan_B cait++ 08:14 cait gaetan_B: you are welcome 08:31 nlegrand Hey #koha! 08:32 cait hi nlegrand 08:32 nlegrand hey cait :) 08:39 nlegrand In my slow work in progress to port BULAC customisations to follow recent releases, I have open a github : https://github.com/BULAC 08:39 nlegrand their is a branch with our dead end fork: https://github.com/BULAC/koha/tree/bulac-dead_end-3.02.04 08:40 cait optimistic name ;) 08:40 nlegrand rather unreadable I guess, I will try to repatch with the "one functionnality, one branch" way 08:41 nlegrand cait: ha ha, it's just I don't want to try rebases :) 08:41 nlegrand cait: first paul_p warned me about templates changed in 3.4 08:41 cait oh right 08:41 cait you still have htp 08:42 nlegrand cait: second, it's not separated by functionnality, which means it could not be proposed to the community 08:42 cait was it not in a git repo? 08:42 nlegrand what's htp? 08:42 cait the old template thing 08:42 cait html template pro i think 08:42 cait because the bulac featrues seem to be one big commit? 08:42 nlegrand cait: no, it was in a SVN, checkedout from a 3.02.04 08:43 cait hm i wonder ... hsould be possible to somehow convert it to git? 08:44 cait i see lots f interesting looking lines, makes me wonder what's hiding in there :) 08:44 nlegrand the two big stuffs that may be interestings are Stacks, to manage communcationcirculation of books inside stacks the patrons cannot go into, and Callnumber which increments callnumbers for books stored in stacks 08:45 cait both sound very interesting 08:45 cait closed stacks are quite a thing here 08:46 nlegrand cait: ho it is, I'm not sure it's possible to have only the koha directory though (it's in a repository with other devs for the BULAC) 08:47 cait hm don't know aboutthat either, just looks really hard to work from what it is like now 08:49 nlegrand cait: you're interested by history? The commit logs aren't super usefull (references to a Mantis where all the details are) and in french :( 08:49 cait as long as you have the history 08:50 cait :) just worried about the headache this looks likely to be 08:50 nlegrand cait: yep :) I'm almost full time on it, I hope to finish at the end of the year 08:50 nlegrand cait: ^^ 08:50 cait :) 08:50 cait but i would be very interested in some specs about how the closed stack features work 08:52 nlegrand Sure, I have some documentation, but it's in french only, would you prefer a translation ? 08:52 cait i would prefer, but it takes time, i can try google translate :) 08:53 nlegrand :) 08:53 paul_p nlegrand = the template system was HTML::Template::Pro, not it's Template::Toolkit. Abbreviated in htp & TT 08:53 paul_p s/not/now/ 08:55 cait meeting bbiab 09:10 ashimema ohh.. did I hear someone talking about stacks.. 09:10 ashimema it's on my list to develop a 'request from stacks' functionality.. 09:10 ashimema though with the current worklaod it's about 2 years off.. would be lovely to see someone else attacking it. 09:23 nlegrand ashimema: I'll be working on porting ours for a koha master branch with a decent patch as soon as possible :) (I hope I'll have something showable in august) 09:41 ashimema That's awesome nlegrand.. I'll happily test/qa it for you 09:53 nlegrand :D 11:04 cait nlegrand: count me in for qa then :) 11:04 cait or for sign off... if i beat ashimema to it :) 11:05 nlegrand \o/ ho now I really have to work :) 11:05 cait yes, go and work on stacks! 11:05 cait :) 11:05 nlegrand \o/ 11:22 mle hey : ) 11:23 mle is the opac/staff password in patrons the same as the intranet login? how to i reset the staff/admin intranet passwords? 11:31 cait hi mle :) 11:31 cait mle: patron accutns are used for staff access and opac - same login - the only difference is the permissions 11:31 cait normal users don't have the permissions to access staff 11:31 cait you can either tell them to reset their passwords in the opac 11:32 cait or if the password was forgotten a superlibrarian user can reset them for other staff members 11:32 cait like you do for patrons - patron account - toolbar - change password 11:32 cait if you are using the database user for staff login... it's different, but you shouldn't be doing that 11:51 francharb Good morning 12:08 bgkriegel morning 12:24 mle thank you cait : ) 12:29 cait you are welcome mle :) 12:38 bgkriegel hi cait tcohen :) 12:38 tcohen morning #koha 12:49 jcamins @wunder houston, tx 12:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in SE-Svc-Cntr, Houston, Texas is 26.3°C (7:49 AM CDT on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 12:49 jcamins @wunder 11375 12:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village Juniper Valley Park, Queens, New York is 25.6°C (8:49 AM EDT on July 07, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 12:52 mle cait: thank you so much. It was the fact that it was not default for the new patron of type 'staff' to have access to the librarian interface that threw me. 12:54 mle I still need to unpick which particular permission does that. just using superlibrarian now. 12:56 cait catalog is the minimum i think, the rest is optional 12:57 paul_p hi tcohen. No France<>Argentina for final... 12:59 Joubu tcohen: could you please have a look at the last patch on bug 11518? 12:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype 13:02 tcohen Joubu: a followup? 13:02 wahanui rumour has it a followup is a patch that applies after the other one with the differences 13:04 Joubu tcohen: a proposition, for discussion 13:04 lducos hellà 13:04 lducos hello 13:04 wahanui hi, lducos 13:04 lducos git.koha-community.org is sick ? 13:04 lducos fatal: read error: 13:05 cait hm looks like it, maybe just too many requests 13:05 cait ah works for me , just slow 13:06 lducos ok works for me now 13:06 lducos works but slow 13:08 Joubu tcohen: do you plan to regenerate the dbic schema regularly? 13:08 Joubu tcohen: the current one has at least 2 unexistent tables 13:08 Joubu nonexistent* 13:12 lducos re 13:20 Joubu khall: around? 13:20 khall yep! 13:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12499: adding units tests for C4::Letters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47de926463c7f50cde887dfa36895a125a09b7c8> / Bug 12151: Remove uses of smartmatch operator from Koha/Solr/QueryBuilder.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f187d9d9e7b2e399b70b70c3aa9c229a5010d294> / Bug 12151: Remove use of smartmatch operator in tools/batchMod.pl <http://git.koha-com 13:21 Joubu khall: hi! Can I get your opinion on my last patch on bug 11518 please? 13:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype 13:22 khall Joubu: will do! 13:25 khall Joubu: have you tested your patch? I added the biblioitem relationship manually because our db schema does not match what dbic expects. Instead of saying $biblio->biblioitem(), you had to write $biblio->biblioitemnumber() to get the biblioitem, which I found needlessly confusing. 13:27 Joubu khall: I tested that your unit tests pass 13:31 Joubu khall: I understood your problem, but I'm under the impression that my patch fixes that without adding new constraints 13:34 khall hmm, I really can't say if one method is better than the other. Yours is more clear and straightforward, but mine seems like it is more in line with how to use dbic perhaps. I may or may not create other needed relationships automatically. 13:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #46: FAILURE in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/46/ 13:34 khall I like that your version is simpler though. I think we need to get other dbic people to weigh in. gmcharlt would be a good person to ask. 13:35 bgkriegel Question: Does anyone know/remember which is the use of 'seealso' field in frameworks? (see Bug 6007) 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6007 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Checking 'Display only used Tags/Subfields' on MARC framework page results in unusable output 13:37 Joubu khall: ok thanks, I hope he will involve in the discussion :) 13:42 tcohen does anyone have root access to git.koha-community.org ? 13:42 tcohen it seems to have banned soe jenkins ondes 13:42 tcohen nodes 13:42 tcohen *somehow* 13:43 Joubu tcohen: I think rangi has it 13:43 tcohen f*ng timezones 13:45 bgkriegel tchohen: perhaps gmcharlt also 13:46 tcohen bgkriegel: its still 6:46 in Seattle 13:51 bgkriegel yep, but will be awake earlier 13:51 cait tcohen: so true 13:56 bgkriegel no git :( 13:56 cait hm it worked for me a moment ago, just slow 13:56 cait maybe someone is downloading dumps again 13:57 cait i think one time it was down because lots of people git cloned at the same time 14:00 bgkriegel perhaps we need to remove git option from install instructions, and move that to README.developers 14:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12495 - Include streetnumber in hold alert address <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d6c092921919526ade501facb1220f8a108a08f> / Bug 12511 - Novelist Select not using https in bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac277edaaf3ece692146d669c94e1fd8c681ea68> / Bug 12062: Follow up - adds missing ) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitd 14:22 mtompset @later tell cait Oops. Didn't directly answer question re 8462. No, because I don't know if I am right or wrong, I would leave it for the testers to confirm. 14:22 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 14:24 cait hm now i missed him 14:24 cait @later tell mtompset I was not sure I understood what you wanted to be tested - and it's already signed off 14:24 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 14:44 mle I am wondering whether there is facility for users to checkout from their opac login, assuming that they have been given the correct permission in admin (if so what permissions would they be?) 14:47 cait mle: there is web based self check 14:47 cait manual? 14:47 wahanui it has been said that manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:48 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.14/en/selfcheckout.html 14:59 cait bye :) 15:20 smrt hi i was just wondering when i do an update (ex: 3.16.0 to 3.16.1) does it replace all the files on the local machine or just the ones that are changed? 15:22 tcohen all of them 15:22 tcohen well, it depends 15:23 smrt oh ok, so what does it depend on? 15:23 francharb Hi all! 15:25 francharb Quick question : I have an installation where Holds queue doesnt display holds on checked out or not for loan items. Is it a correct behaviour? 15:26 francharb (its on koha 3.14.7) 15:27 jcamins smrt: why do you ask? 15:30 francharb I checked the code, I answered my qestin 15:30 francharb :) 15:32 smrt there are a couple of things ive been changing in the perl code for my library and i just want to make sure that when i upgrade those changes will still be there. and on an unrelated notehow do you reply to specific people in IRC? 15:33 jcamins smrt: they will *NOT* be there. 15:33 jcamins If you made changes to your production code, they will be overwritten. 15:33 jcamins That's why changing production code directly is such a hugely bad idea. 15:33 jcamins Just put a person's nick at the beginning of the line followed by a colon. 15:36 smrt jcamins: yeah. i figured that was the case. i just can't seem to think of a way around my problem other than doing that. there is a bug in the bugzilla thing that looks like its related but it hasn't gone through yet, but i kinda need a workaround now (we just went into production). i guess i'll just have to keep track of it. 15:37 jcamins smrt: make your change in a version-controlled environment, test thoroughly, then build packages with your changes and use those packages in production. 15:40 smrt jcamins: I think I'm kind of doing that. we have a local machine that we do all our testing on, and then if it works there we go to the production server and make the changes there. I still need to learn how to make our own packages though. Any tutorials you can point me to? or is it a little too complicated than just reading a simple tutorial online? 15:41 jcamins packages? 15:41 wahanui it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 15:41 jcamins There should be a link to the instructions for building packages there. 15:43 jcamins It's not all that simple, unfortunately. 15:43 smrt jcamins: oh i guess i should mention that we installed koha on a CentOS server (our server admins don't really like debian/ubuntu) from source. would that tutorial work for us? 15:43 jcamins No. 15:44 jcamins What you should be doing is building a tar ball using "git archive" and then installing from that. 15:47 tcohen smrt, jcamins: we have nice instructions here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way 15:48 jcamins tcohen: yeah, but they won't help on CentOS. 15:48 tcohen oh :-D 15:48 smrt tcohen, jcamins: hah yeah i was about to ask 15:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12429 [OPAC] patron seeing fines codes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e8cf86df748c2ea59f7b200176ca940d6a0d0c1> / Bug 12429 [staff client] patron seeing fines codes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eed44299d383caa5b263036dd204a966bdcb3688> / Bug 11650: multiplicated authorities after link_bibs_to_authorities.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 15:50 smrt tcohen, jcamins: so is git something that anyone can learn? ive just googled git tutorials, should those be enough? or am i getting way way out of my league? 15:50 tcohen smrt: http://git-scm.com/book 15:51 smrt tcohen, jcamins: In case you haven't already noticed i'm not a programmer, just a library tech with decent google skills 15:54 tcohen smrt: no problem! 15:55 reiveune bye 15:56 smrt tcohen, jcamins, wahanui: Well I guess i have some reading to do, thanks for all your help 15:57 tcohen u r welcome 15:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U14 build #48: FAILURE in 1 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U14/48/ 15:59 jenkins_koha * Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 11650: multiplicated authorities after link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 15:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12429 [staff client] patron seeing fines codes 15:59 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12429 [OPAC] patron seeing fines codes 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11650 normal, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , multiplicated authorities after link_bibs_to_authorities.pl 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12429 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron seeing fines codes 16:00 smrt tcohen, jacamins, wahanui: Oh sorry one more question, if i add completely new files to the koha folders will those get deleted with the updates? 16:00 jcamins Probably not, but assume they will be. 16:02 smrt jcamins: ok thanks 16:03 bag good morning 16:08 tcohen morning bag 16:08 bag morning tcohen 16:36 mle @later tell cait thank you again 16:36 huginn mle: The operation succeeded. 17:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 9245 Fixes visual bux with fines tab not highlighting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fea21b16abb16b2d690f500c733a8a21211ab205> / Bug 11030 - Add 359, 947 and 969 fields in french unimarc_complete framework - followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef5d4f3c62957100dae0948a44bd27a2159892b4> / Bug 11030 : add fields 947,969,359 in unimarc_complete french frame 17:56 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "script for updating DBIC class files" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/80 17:57 gmcharlt tcohen: ^^ 17:57 tcohen awesome 18:00 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:02 bgkriegel hi mtompset 18:14 gaetan_B bye 19:01 * cait waves 19:03 tcohen hi cait 19:03 cait buenas tardes (?) 19:04 cait i guess it's somewhat correct as it's later here than where you are... hopfully 19:06 tcohen ah, we call "tarde" from 16 to 19/20 I guess 19:06 cait hm.... 21 here... so i missed it :) 19:06 cait what's your time? 19:07 mtompset got your message, cait. 19:07 mtompset Looks like I'll just have to test my scenario, since 19:07 mtompset I have a hard time describing it. 19:07 cait my offer: write up a stpe for step for the dumb (like me tonight after a long day) and i will test it :) 19:07 cait aah 19:07 cait that works for me too :) 19:08 mtompset once I do it, then it will get written, because then it will be more concrete in my mind. 19:20 cait bug 11703 19:20 wahanui rumour has it bug 11703 is waiting for an answer, I started QA on it :) 19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 19:23 tcohen what about it cait 19:23 cait nothing, just looking it up :) 19:38 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice day/night 19:41 mtompset Bye, tcohen. :) 22:26 eythian hi 22:26 wahanui bonjour, eythian