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23:58 * dcook couldn't remember the order of holiday and moving
23:58 dcook Ah, right. I forgot about that.
23:58 eythian so probably either have left, or are furiously packing :)
23:57 eythian I think they are, but they're also going on holiday for a week.
23:57 dcook wizzyrea: All moved in now?
23:47 mtj awesome view wizzyrea
23:46 mtj those snakey roads!
23:45 eythian mtj: it'll be Melrose
23:44 mtj hiya eythian, tcohen
23:39 mtj is it brooklyn/melrose
23:39 mtj woah, which burb is that foto in, rangi? ^^
23:32 eythian hello tcohen
23:32 tcohen hi eythian
23:16 huginn WNickC: The current temperature in Lebanon, New Hampshire is 28.0°C (6:53 PM EDT on July 03, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Steady). Severe Thunderstorm Watch 391 in effect until 10 PM EDT this evening...
23:16 WNickC @wunder 05048
22:33 eythian feels about right
22:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:33 eythian @wunder nzwn
22:33 eythian hi
22:25 bag nice
22:24 rangi the view from the rea's house
22:24 rangi https://twitter.com/ThatcherRea/status/484824472902328320
22:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (12:20 AM CEST on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
22:20 cait @wunder konstanz
22:10 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on July 04, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
22:10 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:34 cait heh
21:34 rangi stupid GEMA
21:34 cait i'd like to - but no grooveshark here :(
21:33 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#!/ranginui/broadcast in case anyone wants to listen to my music tastes hehe
20:46 * cait waves
20:43 bag hola hankbank
20:06 cait morning rangi
19:59 rangi morning
19:53 * cait waves
19:00 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
19:00 oleonard @later tell tcohen It doesn't look like we make any provision for i18n of TinyMCE
18:42 tcohen bye #koha
18:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11638: Remove HTML from addbiblio.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f001cc32a3ce42262b37c6c22fe8ecbd0c32f966> / Bug 12482: (QA followup) coding guidelines for hashrefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3c9c4b11db62bee5d98624528c524a09a0b93b0> / Bug 12482 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a66eb6e86d58bad633020cb
17:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11650 normal, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Passed QA , multiplicated authorities after link_bibs_to_authorities.pl
17:47 jcamins bug 11650
17:19 tcohen could we have problems with code relying on sorted hashes retrieved from DBIx?
17:18 tcohen DBIx experts
17:16 tcohen sorry for that
17:16 oleonard Thanks tcohen
17:15 tcohen ^^^^^^^^^oleonard
17:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11703: (followup) svc/holds invoked with trailing .pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9657a2c6dc92516963ffa960b7d561cdcc2dc5e8>
16:53 tcohen oleonard: heh, looks like my grep capabilities is degrading
16:25 cait oh
16:24 oleonard Oh look someone wrote software for managing summer reading programs and made it open source... only it's written in ASP and requires SQL Server :P http://greatreadingadventure.com
16:18 cait and sorry, imissed you addressed tcohen...
16:18 cait oleonard: yep, that one
16:18 oleonard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc316f999de2868b13840757ba45f776b6565e7
16:17 cait oleonard: we tested holds and relative's checkouts yesterday
16:17 cait oleonard: hm worked for me yesterday - could it be the follow up?
15:55 oleonard tcohen: Looks like holds.js still looks for holds.pl
15:54 oleonard tcohen: When I try to view the holds tab on the circulation page I get an error: svc/holds.pl not found
15:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11703: DBRev 3.17.00.009 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bcb0f89093daddc9d30e0c393b4801d82bba23b> / Bug 11703: (qa followup) consistency in svc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc316f999de2868b13840757ba45f776b6565e7> / Bug 11703 [QA Followup] - Change "No data available in table" to "Loading..." <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit
15:21 * cait runs off again
15:20 cait and gmcharlt++ for adding the coding guideline :)
15:19 cait Joubu: hope it can be resolved at some point
15:19 cait Joubu: argh about 11759 - i was looking forward to that - hoping it would help a little with our rfid integration
15:18 cait I am in a state of confused :)
15:18 cait anything else for me?
15:18 khall I think that settles the issue pretty well than
15:17 cait khall: for the non-xslt - both i thought
15:16 cait crazy day at work
15:16 cait sorry
15:15 khall Joubu: nope, I'll reset the status and try again. Thanks for pointing that out! I should know better ; )
15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Batch modifications for records
15:14 Joubu khall: for bug 11395, did you apply the deps?
15:12 tgoat right-o!
15:12 khall I think you probably meant to put in #bywater
15:12 gmcharlt khall: no objections
15:11 tgoat hanks .. didnt notice :)
15:11 khall tgoat: you asking the the right channel ; )
15:11 khall gmcharlt: how do you feel about changing DEPR1 to include staff side now, based on the fact that everyone so far thought it was for both, and we can double check on the mailing list and/or staff meeting
15:11 tgoat hey bywater .. I can't get log into my bywater google business acct. anyone else having thios issue?
15:10 Joubu but maybe you can add it on the trello for the next dev meeting
15:10 khall cait appears to be away
15:10 Joubu khall: In my thoughts, it was for both too
15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12407 major, P5 - low, ---, brendon.ford, Signed Off , phone label or data switched
15:09 khall bug 12407 has been needing qa for a while now, I can't because nengard signed it. It should be easy karma
15:07 khall Joubu: ^
15:07 khall cait: any thoughts? ^
15:07 khall I thought we were as well
15:06 tcohen I thought we were talking about both actually
15:05 khall that's a better idea
15:04 gmcharlt yeah, or just drop a note on the list
15:03 khall well, I guess we can bring up the staff side at the next meeting
15:03 gmcharlt my suggested wording was OPAC-only (an oversight) but I don't see that anybody commented on that until you did just now
15:02 gmcharlt khall: I'm not sure
15:01 khall gmcharlt: so we didn't decide to deprecate non-xslt for the staff intranet as well?
15:01 gmcharlt please note the latest addition to the coding guidelines, DEPR1, deprecating the non-XSLT OPAC templates per the dev meeting yesterday http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#DEPR1
15:00 reiveune bye
14:59 khall Joubu: I know the feeling too. I had that happen with a serials patch I submitted.
14:57 JesseM :)
14:57 khall Joubu: will do!
14:57 Joubu JesseM: yep, sorry, autocomplete :)
14:57 khall JesseM: yep, dang autocomplete!
14:57 Joubu khall: ok, let me know
14:57 JesseM I think you mean the other Jesse :P Pianohacker
14:56 khall Joubu: yes, I'll see if Jesse can submit a patch yet. I think it would be best to base a new version of the feature on that. It shouldn't be very hard to add batch processing to it
14:55 Joubu And I will need to rewrite it. So it would be good to know on what JesseM is working :)
14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch checkout
14:54 Joubu khall: because I wrote bug 11759. It will be completely broken with 11703.
14:54 * khall can't type today
14:54 khall s/think/thank/
14:54 khall and I think you for qa'ing!
14:54 * khall forgot about that
14:53 Joubu yes I know 11703 does not allow, I qa it :)
14:52 khall s/checkins/checkouts/
14:52 khall in the end I think it will trivialize the ability to do batch checkins
14:51 khall that's something that would need to be added to jesse's work
14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
14:51 khall Joubu: bug 11703 doesn't
14:50 Joubu khall: do you know if that will allow checkouts in a batch?
14:28 khall the goal of bug 11703 itself is only to make circulation.pl load as fast as possible to increase the "responsiveness" of circulation for librarians
14:25 tcohen ok
14:25 khall his work is built on top of bug 11703
14:24 khall I've seen a working proof of concept
14:24 khall that's something jesse weaver has been working on
14:24 khall the next step is to ajaxify the checkout process itself
14:24 khall tcohen: yes, that is not a bug
14:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
14:23 tcohen ref bug 11703
14:23 tcohen khall: it seems to me that checkout page is reloaded on each checkout instead of doing it asynchronously
13:55 jcamins Good morning.
13:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12451 - circulation rule cant be edited if itemtype contains a space character <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0d54d8a929f6b3813ab3eac48b796ae05c82dfa> / Bug 8567: Set output directory for fines.pl in cron config created by the packages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0162453a1cf20f5037bdda1cdeb662283f05f5f0>
13:55 tcohen good morning jcamins!
13:55 tcohen ok!
13:55 jcamins tcohen: you should put the dates for KohaCon14 directly on the front page of the KohaCon14 section of the site.
13:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12220 - bootstrap not responsive on all devices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e57e68820876c39053729159fdb6dc3e108a143> / Bug 12237: Remove the "horrible hack" in C4::Templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0c17a8c3aa7701cad41aeefe2347671e2a12ebf>
13:40 oleonard Weird.
13:40 bgkriegel oleonard: just tried and 11703 applies without problem
13:37 cait khall: pm :)
13:30 cait it applied on a sandbox from yesterday
13:30 cait must be another patch - patron serach?
13:30 cait hm wonder why
13:30 oleonard cait: circulation.tt and moremember.pl
13:29 wahanui the conflict is in the perldoc :)
13:29 cait oleonard: where is the conflict?
13:29 khall yo
13:29 cait khall: stil there?
13:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10652 - Ajaxfileupload.js failing in IE9 for local image upload <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb772f1a90624918027087b1af496377c5de7748> / Bug 12150: Add missing space and correct innerHTML typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3058b09080c9c9f8233c149a20b73c3445f772ed> / Bug 12150 - Use more javascript string formatting in intranet for translated strings.
12:56 bgkriegel hi tcohen oleonard
12:47 oleonard Hi everyone
12:43 tcohen morning
12:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable
12:22 oleonard Bug 11703 doesn't apply anymore, already?
11:45 khall cait: what's up?
11:35 bgkriegel Hi
09:16 fridolin hie all
08:06 cait hoping the german team recovers - seems a lot of them have the flu or something
08:03 cait going to watch the game with some coworkers, should be fun anyway
08:02 cait you have connections? :)
08:00 paul_p cait OK, /me calling french players to tell them to let you win now
08:00 cait hmmmmmm not sure...
07:58 paul_p cait it seems. I hope you'll still QA BibLibre patches, even if germany come back home ;-)
07:58 cait france vs. germany tomorrow? :)
07:58 cait bonjour paul_p
07:57 huginn paul_p: matts was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 50 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <matts> hello !
07:57 paul_p @seen matts
07:57 paul_p !seen matts
07:55 cait khall_away: ping me when you are around?
07:48 cait nice :)
07:47 marcelr :) had some vacation
07:47 cait marcelr: glad to see you around :)
07:34 cait hi marcelr!
07:33 marcelr hi cait
07:17 gaetan_B hello
07:08 marcelr hi dcook
07:06 dcook hey Europeans :)
06:51 marcelr hi #koha
06:48 reiveune hello
05:58 dcook night, eythian
05:57 eythian later all.
05:57 eythian OK, I'm failing to achieve anything here, I think I should go home.
05:57 dcook Do I recall there being a Reserves rewrite?
05:56 dcook afternoon, ashimema :)
05:56 eythian hi ashimema
05:56 ashimema or evening for you ppes round the other side..
05:56 wahanui morning is a state of cat
05:56 ashimema morning..
05:48 dcook Alas, I think I only have time to fix the acute problem
05:40 * dcook debates fixing the acute problem or the larger bad design..
05:39 dcook Row upon row of backwardsness perhaps..
05:38 dcook Not even error checking..
05:38 dcook Perhaps a total lack of error checking
05:37 * dcook is still trying to decide what is the worst about this
05:37 eythian actually, not too bad data. A badly designed data structure.
05:37 eythian dealing with bad data from a non-koha system as it is :)
05:37 * dcook will fix it in a jiffy...
05:37 dcook I certainly wouldn't bother :p
05:36 * eythian chooses not to look
05:36 dcook http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git/blob/HEAD:/C4/Items.pm#l1145
05:36 dcook C4::Items::GetItemInfosOf
05:36 dcook Nopes..
05:35 cait hi dcook and eythian
05:35 eythian hi cait
05:34 * dcook wonders if this has been fixed in master..
05:33 dcook heya cait :)
05:33 * cait waves sleepily
05:32 dcook Mind you, the fatal error comes due to some absolutely horrendous coding on "our" part
05:32 dcook It'll get you every time
05:32 dcook $db_user, $db_passwd, {'RaiseError' => $ENV{DEBUG}?1:0 }) or die $DBI::errstr;
05:32 dcook my $dbh = DBI->connect("DBI:$db_driver:dbname=$db_name;host=$db_host;port=$db_port",
05:31 dcook hehe
05:31 eythian heh who would have thought.
05:31 dcook This whole experience thing sure comes in handy...
05:31 dcook I'm glad this same thing happened to me a year or so, or I would've gone crazy
05:31 * dcook twitches a bit
05:31 dcook SetEnv DEBUG 1
05:31 dcook Having problems in a few instances with the same code and the same data?
05:28 dcook Hmmm
04:51 rangi francesa: https://gitorious.org/
04:27 dcook eythian: You might want to look at this later: https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-api/src/main/java/org/dspace/browse/BrowseEngine.java
04:26 eythian this is terrible
04:26 eythian oh god issues and issue history are at the biblio level
04:23 rangi git clone https://git.gitorious.org/kohalogbot/kohalogbot.git
04:23 rangi in a terminal
04:23 rangi you can do
04:23 rangi francesa: if you want to get all the files
04:20 * eythian ignores it.
04:20 eythian oh hey, it's in a different date format to the other dates. Fancy that.
04:20 dcook lol
04:20 eythian It seemed so sane up until just now.
04:20 eythian This data has a column called "Today's Date". What the hell.
04:18 eythian oh wait...
04:18 eythian yes, but I'd still have to search them. Better would be to put them into something that can quite efficiently do searching and just provide me with the linear results that I want.
04:17 dcook I suppose you're still retrieving a lot of values and parsing them..
04:17 dcook eythian: Keeping in mind that I know nothing of caches...couldn't you store the facets in a cache...then refresh them either periodically or on updates?
04:17 eythian I don't even know how it can be two, it's the accession date, and it represents one copy.
04:16 eythian 28-Aug-1989|5/06/98 <-- two different date formats, one field. Great work there.
04:16 francesa ok I'm just opening the links now
04:16 dcook Hmm
04:15 rangi http://download.koha-community.org/
04:15 rangi i was thinking it would be nicer to make it look like
04:15 rangi http://irc.koha-community.org/style.css thats the css
04:14 rangi francesa: http://irc.koha-community.org/
04:14 eythian dcook: yeah, I can control facets, but I still need to fetch them all to figure out where "smith" lives in the list.
04:14 dcook Mind you, the whole facets being deprecated thing is a drag
04:13 dcook That sounds interesting
04:13 dcook The value computed can also be a script, using the value_script instead of value_field, in which case the lang can control its language, and params allow to provide custom parameters (as in other scripted components).
04:12 dcook Hmm
04:12 dcook The size parameter controls how many facet entries will be returned.
04:12 dcook You can say only give you X?
04:12 dcook How do you get your facets?
04:12 eythian but then I'd have to process up to 100,000.)
04:11 eythian (though, for browse purposes, I could say "give me the top 100,000"
04:11 dcook Hmm
04:11 eythian and facets are limited to about 10 currently, though I do need to implement expanding them.
04:11 eythian dcook: yeah, that's a "request all and I'll give you the top 20 first" thing.
04:10 dcook Not *:*
04:10 dcook *:"keyword"
04:10 dcook I'm an idiot
04:10 dcook Ah wait
04:10 dcook That'll return thousands of records for every view I would think
04:10 dcook I seem to recall seeing a "*" query on your opac-search.pl, no?
04:09 dcook Don't you already have that though?
04:09 dcook Ahh
04:09 dcook Totally
04:09 eythian because of the "fetch thousands of values via HTTP for every view" problem.
04:09 eythian it's more the "fetch thousands of values via HTTP" that I have issues with
04:09 dcook Why did you decide against facets again?
04:08 eythian it's a comparator
04:08 dcook As for speed, I'd suggest looking at "getSolrResponse" and "SolrBrowseDAO.FacetValueComparator" I guess
04:08 dcook Ah, well
04:07 eythian well, I'm supposed to be doing a migration...
04:07 rangi heh
04:07 dcook Are you saying for once I derailed you? :P
04:07 eythian ^-- rangi
04:07 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPuI_pbCYOI
04:06 * eythian should focus on what he's supposed to be doing for now though
04:06 eythian L685
04:05 dcook I wonder where "facetField" is defined..
04:05 dcook Hmm, good point
04:04 eythian how can it ignore it?
04:04 eythian sure, but assuming the column is the aspect of data to be looking over...
04:04 dcook The database DAO would use column I bet
04:04 dcook As it's overriding an inherited method
04:04 dcook Probably just there for compatibility
04:03 eythian never uses 'column'
04:03 eythian err
04:03 eythian oddly, that method never uses 'value'
04:03 dcook Ahh
04:02 eythian I can't understand how that's fast
04:02 dcook I was just about to post https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-api/src/main/java/org/dspace/browse/SolrBrowseDAO.java
04:02 eythian It still looks like it's pulling all the facets and sorting them
04:02 eythian https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-api/src/main/java/org/dspace/browse/SolrBrowseDAO.java#L359
04:01 dcook This doesn't have to do with the Solr stuff at all as that's quite recent
04:01 dcook Yeah https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-api/src/main/java/org/dspace/browse/package.html is from 2010
04:00 dcook I suppose that's speed in retrieval but not indexing though
04:00 dcook Doesn't look like it has records but rather has pointers to records..
03:59 dcook [off] This is the XML that Cocoon is parsing for the browse: http://www.territorystories.nt.gov.au/DRI/browse?order=ASC&rpp=20&sort_by=1&etal=-1&offset=0&type=title
03:58 dcook I bet it gets its speed from cacheing
03:58 dcook Hmm...
03:57 dcook Who doesn't love liquorice?
03:55 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "DSpace browse config" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/75
03:55 dcook Yep, that site I showed you is using Solr, and it's super fast
03:54 dcook Hmm Vim's history has me at the right point already. That's weird..
03:54 dcook Hmm, I'll check that site
03:53 eythian that surprises me, unless solr does facets quite differently to ES, I can't see how it'd work at any sort of speed.
03:53 dcook Hmm, that html looks a bit dated
03:52 dcook I think that example site I showed you before uses the SolrDAO...
03:51 dcook There is the SolrDAO but they also have the DB version...right.
03:51 dcook Ahhh, right, I forgot it's not what they "used to" do, they still can do that
03:49 eythian indexes are automatically updated.
03:49 eythian <a href="../content/package-summary.html">Content Management API</a>, the
03:49 eythian configuration. When an Item is added to DSpace, modified or removed via the
03:49 eythian The Browse API uses database tables to index Items based on the supplied
03:49 eythian https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/blob/master/dspace-api/src/main/java/org/dspace/browse/package.html <-- dcook
03:47 rangi https://www.bikewise.co.nz/news/2014/07/03/catalyst-it-enabling-burgeoning-bike-culture-worldwide
03:46 eythian hmm OK
03:45 dcook I do know though that your idea of using database tables is what they used to do at least..
03:45 dcook They're a fairly small isolated community too, so a bit tough to get in touch with them from down under..
03:44 dcook Not familiar enough with Java or Dspace to know for certain what they're doing
03:44 dcook eythian: Yeah, I would hope so.
03:44 dcook Mind you...my problem may have been with cacheing if I recall correctly..
03:43 eythian yeah, if it's doing that, then they probably only update it sporadically
03:43 dcook I seem to recall having issues with their browsing not updating though
03:43 dcook It's been too long since I played around with DSpace and Solr
03:42 dcook I think that they put it in a browse index in Solr and use a value that they have to update each time they reindex...but I would rather have the confirmation
03:42 eythian hmm, it'd be good to know.
03:41 dcook eythian: I had shot off an email to the DSpace folks asking how they did their browse with Solr, but got nothing in response :/
03:40 dcook Oh yeah..
03:40 dcook [off] dinger...new tax tables mean I'll be taxed 8 dollars more per week on my raise than I thought! Good to know that money is going somewhere good with this government. Oh wait...
03:40 eythian But anyway, hopefully my approach will be generally useful. I guess you could replace it with a special provider if your search backend can handle it for you.
03:39 bag no worries that's why we talked here dcook - so others can have input too
03:38 dcook Well, I did, but only briefly
03:38 * dcook didn't mean to butt into the eythian/bag dialogue :p
03:38 dcook seems so*
03:38 dcook Actually, I had a peak at CQL yesterday...it seems to much nicer than CCL...
03:37 dcook zebrasrv can also use SRU
03:37 eythian yeah :)
03:36 dcook I suppose the ZOOM acronym would just be a bit...misleading
03:36 dcook Actually, ZOOM can use SRU/SRW instead of Z39.50
03:36 dcook Hmm
03:35 dcook I would say it must be Monday if it weren't Thursday
03:35 dcook Because ZOOM would still be using z39.50..
03:35 dcook Durrr
03:35 dcook I suppose that's not the same thing at all though, lol
03:34 dcook I think SRU uses CQL, and ZOOM can use CQL.
03:34 * dcook ponders
03:34 eythian dcook: because in the short span of 50 years time, SRU and such will eat z39.50's lunch :)
03:34 * dcook wishes eythian luck in any case
03:34 dcook The browser not so much..
03:34 dcook I suppose the z39.50 server could be updated fairly rarely
03:33 dcook If we're keeping Zebra around for a z39.50 server, why not keep it around for a browser as well? :p
03:33 eythian I mean zebras are all "we just want to be like pandas, cos pandas are cool, but we're more like horses"
03:32 dcook :(
03:32 eythian we don't care about zebra :)
03:32 dcook hehe
03:32 eythian hush dcook
03:32 dcook Pssst
03:32 bag :P
03:31 eythian (without adding a number to the records yourself, but that means reindexing the whole lot to add one in the middle.)
03:31 eythian yeah. I'd put it in ES, but there's no way to say "give me this record and the five next ordered by this"
03:30 bag would be nice if we could store it in any database we wanted instead of just the koha database
03:29 eythian yeah
03:29 bag that's cool
03:29 bag hmm if you get the browse into a index table - then anyone could develop the display they want off that
03:29 bag ok cool
03:29 eythian i.e. as part of rebuild_(zebra|elasticsearch)
03:29 eythian nah, it'd build the browse index when you add a record normally.
03:28 eythian I think so. It'll also work across search engines, too.
03:28 bag so would that be a build browse indexes at set times? cronjob
03:28 bag so then it can be possible (I think)...
03:27 eythian It won't have any foreign relationships anyway.
03:27 eythian It'll depend on whether ISAM allows us the same degree of indexing, but if it does, then sure.
03:27 eythian most likely, yes
03:27 bag at least for current mysql
03:27 eythian Hmm.
03:27 eythian It'll be quite a large table, but will only have a few columns.
03:27 bag and can we ISAM that instead of INNODB
03:26 bag so just a bigger table
03:26 eythian (a bit more than that, but that's the essence of it :)
03:26 eythian bam, now we have a thing to browse on.
03:26 eythian basically, all the fields you care about browsing, when you index you throw all the values into a database table.
03:25 bag sweet
03:25 eythian It's actually not going to be especially complicated.
03:25 bag alright I'm caught up then
03:25 eythian However, I've taken the shelf browser idea, and am having a go at implementing something that does a similar thing to that.
03:25 eythian yep
03:25 bag right and would only work for a little bit
03:25 eythian Yeah. I had faked it for testing purposes by just doing a "startswith" query, but that's not really the same thing.
03:24 bag just results
03:24 bag ah right so not a shelf list
03:24 bag I wasn't sure what your questions where... I thought what we had in the original demo stuff in March was pretty darn good
03:24 eythian It's good at search, but not good at giving you things that aren't part of your search terms.
03:23 eythian yeah, ES has no easy function (that I've found) to do what we (well, me at least) were thinking of.
03:23 bag so eythian browse for ES
03:19 eythian kk
03:19 bag heya - bbias
03:18 eythian bag: yo
03:13 dcook I used to think Saskatchewan was about the most hardcore you could get...blistering heat and blistering cold, but we build houses pretty well (or we don't notice the cold as we're numb most of the time)
03:12 dcook bag: Yep :)
03:12 * dcook thinks Saskatchewan should host Kohacon in "spring"
03:12 bag yeah that's canada for you
03:12 dcook Although -10 is cause for tshirt and shorts in spring...
03:12 dcook I suppose we'd say "bundle up" in Canada...
03:11 dcook Hope you're rugged up?
03:11 dcook "Woolies"?
03:11 * dcook is trying to think of Oz/Nz slang for warm things
03:10 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on July 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
03:10 rangi @wunder nzwn
03:09 dcook It does look like a beautiful day...
03:09 * dcook looks outside
03:09 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 20.8°C (1:05 PM EST on July 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
03:09 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
03:09 dcook But that was just for a day
03:09 dcook I think I did 118 in 2013
03:08 dcook 114 is pretty hot..
03:08 bag much nicer :)
03:08 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside (Gillespie), Santa Barbara, California is 17.7°C (8:08 PM PDT on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
03:08 bag @wunder 93101
03:08 bag it was 114 (I think that's the hottest I've ever been in)
03:08 bag brutally hot
03:07 bag yeah I was just in Vegas this last weekend for ALA
03:05 dcook Except getting a bit sick after leaving Reno...
03:05 * dcook knows nothing of Nevada altitude...
03:04 dcook Excessive heat warning?
03:02 huginn bag: The current temperature in MacDonald Ranch, Henderson, Nevada is 38.9°C (8:00 PM PDT on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). Excessive heat warning in effect until 10 PM PDT this evening below 4000 feet...
03:02 bag @wunder las vegas nv
02:55 bag thanks
02:55 bag cool
02:55 rangi shouldnt be long
02:55 rangi he just ducked out
02:54 bag hey eythian you around?
02:01 dcook Yay! Thanks, rangi :)
01:56 rangi dcook: http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html
01:51 cjh ;)
01:50 dcook eythian: hehe. I just saw that tumblr this morning thanks to cjh..
01:49 dcook eythian: Damn timezones...
01:49 dcook rangi: Yay!
01:49 eythian http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/81276463262/cluster-doing-a-split-brain <-- why you shouldn't run two ES instances.
01:40 rangi explains why it wasnt merging too
01:39 rangi ill fix
01:39 rangi ahhh its the mailmap busting it
01:38 eythian dcook: it's very much afternoon.
01:38 rangi which is the one i pushed this morning
01:38 rangi git log tells me latest was Date: Thu Jun 26 15:03:37 2014 -0400
01:37 rangi yeah
01:37 rangi seems to be working fine
01:36 rangi hmm ill look
01:34 dcook When did that happen?
01:34 dcook Whoa...it's still morning
01:07 dcook rangi: looks like GitStats isn't updating again. The last commit that it's showing is for 2014-06-27, but there have been around 10 pushed in July alone, I think.
00:26 dcook Nothing like a crash to make you restart your browser sans billion tabs
00:23 dac Oh, Windows 8. Thou art the buggiest...