Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook Ahh, nevermind. I think I gotcha. 00:00 dcook Rather than using the syspref as a switch, yeah? 00:01 eythian yeah. 00:01 eythian Though, that syspref isn't currently a very good switch 00:01 eythian I need to do something about that. 00:02 eythian I'm sorta faking it at the moment, but that's not ideal. 00:02 dcook Faking it? 00:02 eythian have a look near the top of opac-search.pl 00:03 eythian I need to get it to the point where you don't even know what search engine you're using. 00:05 dcook (Huh, I didn't know for/when was a thing) 00:06 eythian yeah, pretend it's not 00:07 dcook Hmm, so do you mean about loading modules that you may or may not need? 00:07 eythian yeah 00:07 eythian so, you should just ask for Koha::SearchEngine::QueryBuilder and get the right thing 00:07 eythian there is stuff for that there now, but it's incomplete. 00:08 dcook Mmm, agreed 00:11 dcook Hmm, I'm beginning to think CCL2RPN doesn't actually understand "*" or "?" 00:11 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/dox/html/cclptree_8c_source.html 00:11 dcook Yay open source... 00:12 dcook And with reason... 00:12 dcook @truncation in ccl.properties looks like it's been totally made up as a thing 00:12 huginn dcook: downloading the Perl source 00:12 dcook Sorry, little rant there 00:12 dcook eythian: Yeah, Koha::SearchEngine::QueryBuilder would be great 00:13 * dcook did notice that removing * and ? didn't seem to have an effect when using rtrn anyway... 00:14 dcook I suppose it's still possible @truncation is a thing in a different file.. 00:17 dcook Damn google and not being able to search special characters 00:20 * dcook should re-read the CCL syntax... 00:21 dcook Ah, Indexdata's website says truncation is a CCL directive... 00:23 dcook Ah ha 00:23 dcook Wait..nvm.. 00:31 * dcook has also been thinking about writing up Zebra search tips for Koha 00:31 dcook Something that is user accessible 00:31 dcook Or at least staff accessible 00:32 * dcook doesn't think the manual is necessarily 100% correct 00:32 dcook And I doubt many people use it when they're trying to remember how to do a search in Koha 00:50 dcook Hmm, tests say that adding "?" or "*" to a query doesn't do a damn thing when using Zebra 00:50 dcook Hmm, unless.. 00:50 wahanui hmmm... unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either 00:50 dcook Yep, not a damn thing I can see 00:51 dcook Have to have "rtrn"... 00:51 dcook wrdl,rtrn="profession?" will return the same as wrdl,rtrn="profession" 00:52 dcook I think truncation characters might only factor in when using special truncation attribute combos... 00:55 dcook Hmm maybe not enough testing to be sure though.. 00:58 * wizzyrea is really grateful for her flat white right now 00:58 wizzyrea because it's cold as outside 00:58 eythian dcook: that's all very mysterious. 01:00 dcook eythian: Certainly badly documented 01:06 dcook In fact, I think the documentation might be plain wrong 01:06 dcook Mmm then again.. 01:10 dcook http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/dox/html/cclfind_8c_source.html 01:10 dcook suggests that there can be truncation aliases.. 01:10 dcook Just like it says here: http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#CCL 01:14 dcook Ahhh 01:14 dcook There's a bug 01:14 dcook --- 4.2.21 2011/11/23 01:14 dcook Fix cql_sortby_to_sortkeys. Completely broken before. 01:14 dcook Make CCL's @truncation work again. 01:14 dcook I'm on 4.2.13... 01:15 dcook IE and Zebra 01:15 dcook Why do I do such things...:p 01:16 eythian wahanui: dcook is the designated masochist 01:16 wahanui ...but dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client|currently out of line.... 01:16 eythian wahanui: dcook is also the designated masochist 01:16 wahanui okay, eythian. 01:19 dcook It looks like Wheezy's packaged version is 4.2.30, so people using packages should be OK 01:19 dcook Not in Squeeze though 01:20 dcook As Squeeze uses 4.0.11-1 01:51 dcook Apparently you can't use truncation wildcards within double quotes 01:51 dcook Well, you can, but they apparently are treated as regular text and not wildcards... 01:52 eythian I would expect that 01:52 dcook yaz-client plus "querytype ccl2rpn" and "set_cclfile /koha/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties" = no Koha crap 01:53 dcook eythian: Naturally 01:53 dcook You can use them as truncation wildcards within parentheses though 01:53 eythian http://www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/38-wonderful-moments-in-closed-caption-history?bffb 01:53 eythian I would also expect that. 01:56 dcook hehe 01:57 eythian http://imgur.com/a/KBWIf <-- the weather took a turn around lunch time 02:01 dcook Oh my.. 02:08 rangi next time someone asks me about NCIP 02:08 rangi they'll get this 02:08 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTg8lisw2gM 02:09 dcook 'find rltrn="?fess?"' = expected result 02:10 dcook 'find rltrn=?fess?' = CCL ERROR: Both left - and right truncation not supported 02:10 dcook O_O 02:14 eythian it's probably a lot more expensive to do that 02:19 dcook Oh totally 02:19 dcook It takes ages 02:24 dcook Actually...not so much 02:24 dcook It did the first time I tried in Koha but that might've been unrelated 02:29 dcook Hmm, I think I'm getting an idea... 02:30 wizzyrea look out. 02:30 dcook :p 02:30 dcook Yeah, maybe 02:30 dcook It's just that buildQuery works really stupidly 02:30 dcook Ahh, wait, idea no good...damn 02:31 dcook Well...for a basic search it might work.. 02:31 dcook Except stemming 02:31 dcook Mmm, maybe even stemming.. 02:33 eythian dcook: just move to elasticsearch 02:35 wizzyrea be eythian 02:35 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub! 02:35 wizzyrea be eythian is also <reply> just move to elasticsearch 02:35 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 02:41 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 02:41 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). 02:41 wizzyrea feels colder than that. 02:41 eythian you're inside. 02:41 wizzyrea when I was outside, it felt colder than that. 02:41 wizzyrea :P 02:42 rangi metservice says it feels like 3 02:42 rangi and is 6.7 02:45 wizzyrea that seems closer to what I experienced 02:46 dcook eythian: I suspect ElasticSearch will have problems with the query building as well 02:46 dcook But we'll see :) 02:46 eythian dcook: oh yeah? 02:47 eythian it's more or less a shim to allow compatibility with the existing code. 02:48 dcook Yeah, and the existing code sucks :p 02:48 dcook I wonder a bit about stemming and weight fields.. 02:48 dcook Autotruncation 02:49 dcook As that will require parsing the query, modifying it, then stitching it back together again 02:49 eythian yeah, I havne't really implemented those yet. 02:49 dcook Don't know if weight fields is even possible with ES although I don't really mind that 02:49 * dcook doesn't care for weight fields all that much 02:50 eythian I'm pretty sure it is possible. 02:50 eythian there's definitely some facility for it. 02:50 dcook Cool :) 02:55 dcook Hmm, looks like .mailmap didn't merge my usernames together on GitStats :/ 03:15 dcook Always nice when you need to change something on Gitolite but haven't used it in ages :p 04:06 eythian If I have an 'edition' field, where would I put that in MARC? 04:07 eythian 250$a 04:08 dcook Yep 05:20 * cait waves 05:37 * dcook waves to cait 05:51 cait hi dcook :) 05:52 cait looks like i missed this morning's search discussion? :) 05:52 * dcook shrugs 05:52 dcook I guess so 05:52 cait how is wednesday? 05:54 dcook Mmm, experimental 05:56 cait how can a day be experimental? 05:56 dcook I've been trying a lot of things with CCL and QueryParser 05:58 cait hm wonder how mine will turn out then :) 05:58 dcook Hopefully better than mine :p 05:59 dcook Well, I guess I've learned a lot... 06:07 cait shoudl i send a reminder about today's (for you tomorrow's) dev meeting? 06:08 dcook I thought that was already done? 06:08 dcook Or did I get my days screwed up? 06:09 cait the meeting? 06:09 wahanui hmmm... the meeting is on wednesday? 06:09 cait july 2nd 06:09 cait or the reminder? 06:10 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_July_2014 06:10 dcook It is july 2nd today for me O_o 06:10 dcook Or is it supposed to be my july 3rd? 06:15 dcook Oh right... I guess it would be 8am for me tomorrow 06:15 dcook I might be there on my phone... 06:15 * dcook doesn't start work until 9, but might try to get in early.. 06:16 cait i sent something 06:32 cait hm gah 06:32 cait found a bug i think 06:32 dcook Surprise! :D 06:33 cait hm yeah 06:33 cait the partial receive status is not properly given on updating an older database 06:33 cait i know i tested this and it worked at some point 06:33 cait bit frustrating 06:38 dcook :( 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 cait hi reiveune 06:41 cait dcook: it could be worse 06:41 cait :) 06:41 reiveune hi cait dcook 06:59 cait Joubu: rollover is done :) 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:15 dcook Hmm, I might actually have a bit of a plan for buildQuery now... 07:15 dcook Might just need to keep batting away at it until I find the right solution... 07:16 dcook Need to run! 07:16 dcook au revoir, tous 07:22 Joubu hello 07:35 cait mornign #koha 07:45 cait good morning biblibre :) 07:48 cait Joubu: around? 07:48 Joubu cait: yep 07:49 cait could you maybe apply the new 2 patches from kyle to the sandbox? 07:49 cait the database still seems to have the test configuration from yesterday 07:49 cait it was number 7 07:51 Joubu cait: yep 07:51 Joubu cait: in 10min 07:51 cait cool 07:51 cait thx! 08:07 cait Joubu: ping me when it's done? 08:18 Joubu cait: done ;) 08:20 cait Joubu++ 08:24 cait Joubu: my tests look good, letting the library know 09:13 cait Joubu: library tested ok :) going to sign off the 2 patches in the name of the librarian 10:29 khall cait++ 10:33 cait library++ :) 10:33 cait i only helped 10:33 cait lunch bbl! 11:46 Racoo Please help, when I create new catalogue entries, I often find I get a 'double' entry, so that I end up with a biblio record with holdings, and one without. I then have to go back and delete the extra entry, otherwise it shows up on catalogue searches as having 'no items' which is confusing for people using the catalogue. When I add an item it duplicates too. When the network slows this problem happens. How can I stop duplication 11:46 cait do you double click by chance? 11:46 cait i think it might happen because of your network issues 11:47 cait not sure that can be sovled within koha 11:48 Racoo no dont click double 11:48 Racoo when the system is busy it creates dublications 11:48 Racoo both in biblios and holdings 11:49 Racoo it may be beause of zebra 11:49 Racoo indexing 11:49 wahanui hmmm... indexing is done by Zebra. 11:49 Racoo how can we solve it?? 11:50 Racoo it is a big problem 11:54 Racoo when the network is busy, it gives "Internal server error" but the biblio or the holding record is created, but sometimes 1 record sometimes 2 or more than 2 duplications are created. than we have to delete all the duplications, it is a huge lost time :( 11:57 csharp Racoo: sounds like you need a professional to come evaluate your network setup... there are ways to throttle bandwidth via free/open source programs like pfsense 11:58 csharp (but that's beyond the scope of #koha ;-)) 11:59 Racoo cant it be solved programaticaly 11:59 Racoo ? 12:00 csharp Racoo: a web-based program like koha needs a healthy network connection - no way around that 12:01 cait do you hit refresh? 12:02 cait it could be it sends the request again - and then that might cause the duplicate 12:02 cait zebra is unlikely, if the duplicate only existed in the index, you couldn#t delete it 12:02 csharp we see similar behavior in Evergreen when the network is congested and/or insufficient 12:04 Racoo When we hit the refresh button or press f5 it creates duplications, but without refreshing the page by hitting refresh button or press f5 unfortunately it again creates duplications. 12:05 cait Racoo: you mean that if you don't refresh or use the browser back button, there are still duplicates being created? 12:06 Racoo yes 12:06 Racoo this duplications especialy occur when the network is slow. 12:06 cait i am sorry, i think csharp is right then 12:06 cait there is not much you can do without fixing the network 12:07 francharb good morning! 12:07 cait hi francharb :) 12:07 francharb o/ cait 12:18 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:18 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 8.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 12:18 tcohen buen día #koha 12:19 oleonard Hi everyone 12:32 oleonard MARC preview not working in the latest Manage staged MARC records interface 12:53 bgkriegel Hi 12:59 tcohen hi bgkriegel 13:02 bgkriegel Hi To+ 13:07 cait hi bgkriegel and tcohen :) 13:07 bgkriegel hi cait :) 13:38 Joubu cait: what are the shortcuts for tab navigation? 13:38 cait Joubu: for testing - click on the checkouts tab (to get the focus), then use arrow right keys 13:38 Joubu ok, right/left 13:38 Joubu yep, thanks 13:38 cait according to thelibrarian actually tab shoudl work and woudl work better, but this seems the way it works now 14:20 tcohen oleonard: have you used Photobooth.js? 14:21 oleonard No 14:21 oleonard Interesting. 14:21 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 14:22 tcohen I was thining of adding that to the patron details page 14:22 tcohen upload/take picture 14:23 tcohen it could be combined with https://github.com/addyosmani/getUserMedia.js 14:23 tcohen for a flash fallback if the browser doesn't provide the API 14:24 oleonard tcohen: On the staff side or OPAC? 14:24 tcohen I was thinking on both 14:25 oleonard If a library wanted accurate photos of their patrons I would think they would not want to trust photos received through the OPAC, but I guess that's a choice they could make. 14:26 oleonard If a system like that were added to the OPAC it ought to be combined with the pending patron modifications system 14:28 tcohen yes 14:28 tcohen A library asked me to implement that for the staff interface 14:28 tcohen and i thought of a syspref-driven feature for the OPAC too 14:29 oleonard There's even an existing bug for that: Bug 6815 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, ASSIGNED , Capture member photo via webcam 14:34 tcohen thanks oleonard for the pointer 14:50 druthb @seen talljoy 14:50 huginn druthb: talljoy was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 1 second ago: <talljoy> no problem! 14:50 druthb ! 14:50 druthb @seen meliss 14:50 huginn druthb: meliss was last seen in #koha 7 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <meliss> #info Melissa Lefebvre, ByWater Solutions 14:50 druthb whoa. 14:51 cait hm weird 14:54 cait meeting in 5! 14:59 tcohen meeting in 1! 14:59 cait ok peeps 14:59 cait hehe exactly! 14:59 cait get ready, get coffee... but be fast! 15:00 cait ... 15:00 cait #startmeeting Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 1 15:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 2 15:00:47 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_1' 15:00 cait #topic Introductions 15:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:01 cait please introduce yourself with #info 15:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany, QAM 15:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 15:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre 15:01 yohann1 #info Yohann Dufour, BibLibre 15:01 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, Equinox 15:01 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba 15:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 15:01 oleonard Welcome back gmcharlt 15:01 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina 15:01 tcohen wb gmcharlt 15:01 gmcharlt thx 15:02 cait today's agenda 15:02 wahanui today's agenda is probably on the wiki 15:02 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_July_2014 15:02 cait 3... 2.... 15:02 cait 1... :) 15:02 cait #topic RM 3.18 comments 15:02 cait handing over to tcohen 15:03 tcohen hi 15:03 tcohen some brief comments 15:03 tcohen Jenkins tasks for running unit tests have been changed/updated 15:04 tcohen they now test all maintained branches (/plus master) on ubuntu 12.4, 14.04 and debian 6 & 7 15:04 tcohen the launching scripts might need to be improved 15:04 tcohen and feedback will be welcome 15:04 cait #info Jenkins tasks have been changed/updated 15:05 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater 15:05 tcohen There are still pending issues with Perl 5.18 15:05 tcohen that jenkins shows 15:05 Joubu Where can we found launching scripts? 15:05 tcohen (on master) 15:05 tcohen Joubu: those scripts are in the task configuration form in jenkins 15:05 ztajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA 15:05 tcohen its a shell script, that is written inside the form 15:06 tcohen any ideas, please let me know 15:06 tcohen ok, next 15:06 barton #info barton, bywater 15:07 tcohen The "Koha Community" Trello organization is being used for openly establishing priorities and work that needs to be done 15:07 tcohen anyone that wants to take a look, please let me know 15:07 newbie #info Christopher - about to implement koha 15:07 tcohen we've set a board for having a list of pending dev meetings topics 15:07 cait welcome newbie 15:08 tcohen and I'm about to set a new one, for dcook to use in his effort to have better Zebra code 15:08 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 15:08 gmcharlt #info Koha Community org on Trello can be found at https://trello.com/kohadevel 15:09 tcohen heh, was about to post the same 15:09 cait #info Let tcohen know if you want to take a look at the Trello board for Koha Release Management 15:09 cait ah, now we overlapped gmcharlt :) 15:09 cait thx! 15:09 tcohen the QAM also set a QA board 15:09 tcohen ok 15:09 cait hm kind of - i am still testing trello mostly right now :) 15:10 cait so nothing official currently 15:10 tcohen don't be shy 15:10 tcohen :-P 15:10 cait :) 15:10 tcohen moving on, i wanted to mention 15:10 cait next topic? 15:10 tcohen that i'm about to push bug 9811 15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Patrons search improvements 15:10 tcohen and now that bug 11703 is passed-qa, i'm considering it for pushing it soon 15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 15:11 tcohen any comments or concerns please let me know 15:11 cait khall++ for fixing some issues with IE and accessiblity f 15:11 tcohen ok next 15:11 cait #topic Additions to coding guidelines 15:12 cait #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040456.html 15:12 cait there has been a mailing list discussion a while ago about deprecating the non-XSLT views 15:12 tcohen is there a bug for removing that? 15:12 cait not yet 15:13 fridolin2 hie all 15:13 cait but the question has come up on a bug, if a new feature needs to be added to non-XSLT as well 15:13 oleonard gmcharlt: Any response to you from users on this issue? 15:13 cait i think maybe a first step could be to not maintain them officially 15:13 gmcharlt oleonard: none 15:14 cait hm ok 15:14 ztajoli Stefano Bargione tries to finda and XSLT to display ISBD (MARC21 format) 15:14 cait i think i spotted a possible problem: 15:15 cait HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich says it's non-xslt only 15:15 ztajoli sorry Stefano Bargioni 15:15 gmcharlt we can deal with that as bugs 15:15 gmcharlt one to deprecate, and another with those two sysprefs as a blocker to the first 15:15 cait gmcharlt: with which? 15:15 cait not sure if there are more, just did a quick search in the pref editor 15:15 gmcharlt yeah, there could be otehrs 15:15 cait a lot of features seem to be xslt only 15:16 cait what about a deprecation warning? no longer maintain them, add new features only to XSLT? 15:16 gmcharlt +1 15:17 tcohen +1 15:17 ztajoli +1 15:17 cait gmcharlt: could you maybe write smething for the coding guidelines about that? 15:17 tcohen btw, do we have a test for not-used sysprefs? 15:17 cait tcohen: not that i am aware of 15:17 wahanui i already had it that way, cait. 15:18 cait #idea add a deprecation warning - non-XSLT officially no longer maintained, new features will only be added to XSLT 15:18 tcohen ./t/db_dependent/check_sysprefs.t 15:18 khall +1 15:18 oleonard And non-XSLT is officially gone when? 15:18 tcohen 4.0? 15:18 wahanui 4.0 is pbly at least a year from now, if not more, so PostgreSQL support in it seem reasonable and doable. 15:19 cait #action identify XSLT-only features and file bugs for those 15:19 khall question: what kind of performance difference do we see between the two? 15:19 gmcharlt wahanui: forget 4.0 15:19 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot 4.0 15:19 khall considering we only process the visible results, the difference is probably not too great 15:19 cait can i add an agreed on the idea? 15:19 gmcharlt khall: I think somebody tested recently 15:19 gmcharlt they're similar 15:19 cait without calling another vote? 15:19 khall agreed 15:19 tcohen agreed 15:20 ztajoli +1 15:20 gmcharlt cait: and others - http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 15:20 gmcharlt thoughts on the suggested wording? 15:20 cait #agreed add a deprecation warning to coding guidelines 15:20 tcohen its fine gmcharlt 15:21 cait hm missing a don't I think? 15:21 cait in the first sentence of the second paragraph 15:21 gmcharlt cait: "need not" 15:21 cait oh 15:21 cait sorry :) 15:21 gmcharlt but I can change it to "don't need to be" if that's cleerer 15:22 tcohen its ok 15:22 cait let's make this quick as we have more topics - anyone wnats to veto? :) 15:23 cait #info suggested coding guideline http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 15:23 cait moving on to bugs? 15:23 tcohen +1 15:23 barton +1 15:23 cait and +1 for the wording from me :) 15:23 cait #topic Bugs 15:24 cait removal of C4/Maintenance.pm 15:24 cait bug 12456 15:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12456 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , The file C4/Maintainance.pm can be removed 15:24 tcohen start a vote? 15:24 cait as far as I understand it, it's quite an old part of the code, for features no longer present 15:24 cait sadly :) 15:24 gmcharlt from my POV, it can go 15:25 cait gmcharlt: how do i start the vote? 15:25 gmcharlt git keeps the history, in case somebody wants a reference to reimplement deletion-undo 15:25 cait #vote Remove of C4/Maintenance, yes = remove 15:25 gmcharlt cait: #startvote -- although to be frank, I'm not sure that this is worth calling a vote for 15:25 tcohen yes 15:25 khall yes 15:26 gmcharlt but anyway, +1 to removing it 15:26 yohann1 yes 15:26 gaetan_B bye! 15:26 oleonard yes 15:26 ztajoli +1 15:26 cait gmcharlt: true, just vote quickly and let's move on 15:26 cait yes 15:26 cait ok 15:26 bgkriegel yes 15:26 reiveune bye 15:26 cait #agreed C4/Maintanance will be removed (bug 12456) 15:26 cait next one is similar 15:26 cait Removal of misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP - Bug 9000 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP 15:27 tcohen I didn't get any feedback on rss.pl 15:27 tcohen besides mtompset's question 15:27 cait unlike Maintenance.pm is still somewhat functional when you have HTP installed 15:27 gmcharlt has it been asked on the general mailing list whether anybody is using it? 15:27 tcohen it seems that it could serve for having heavy-loading rss precalculated 15:27 cait but the rss xml files generated are not translated and thre are probably other problems as well 15:28 tcohen its been asked on the dev list 15:28 cait hm i think tcohen send something 15:28 gmcharlt I suggest that we ask again - i can tweet - and if we don't hear back in a couple weeks, assume nobody's using it and remove it 15:28 tcohen should we hold it back, and ask again? 15:28 tcohen that 15:29 cait ok 15:29 cait who asks? 15:29 tcohen i will 15:29 ashimema I asked the question to my collegues.. 15:29 tcohen to the public list this time 15:29 * oleonard finds it hard to believe anyone is using it 15:29 cait #action tcohen will ask on the mailing list if someone still uses misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl (bug 9000) 15:29 ashimema many have still been using it recent;y.. but they're happy to switch to the search based rss if you can get the same functionailty out of it.. 15:29 * ashimema has never played with it personally. 15:30 ashimema "we'll cope" was their general response. 15:30 cait next ist an update on the UTF-8 clean up 15:30 ashimema sorry for being late.. just catching up now 15:30 tcohen great ashimema 15:31 gmcharlt so, re UTF-8 15:31 tcohen Joubu worked hard on that 15:31 cait Joubu++ :) 15:31 ztajoli ++ 15:31 gmcharlt by tomorrow I'll be calling a date in July for a GBSD focused on it 15:31 ashimema Joubu++ 15:31 gmcharlt and completing my review some time over the weekend 15:31 tcohen Joubu++ 15:31 cait also gmcharlt++ for the review 15:32 cait #action gmcharlt to call a date in July for a GBSD focused on UTF-8 clean-up (bug 11944) 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 15:32 tcohen i'd like to say 15:32 cait #info gmcharlt is also currently reviewing the feature and remaining issues 15:32 tcohen that i'd like to push the important bits sooner than later 15:33 Joubu gmcharlt: did you manage to write some tests? 15:33 tcohen those that set the correct way to cope with data encoding/decoding 15:33 gmcharlt Joubu: still working on it; not much chance to code during the ALA conference 15:33 tcohen (e.g. CGI using -utf8) 15:33 Joubu k 15:34 cait we have a normal meeting next week i think 15:34 cait we can then talk again about the gbsd maybe? 15:34 tcohen hmm, this not anormal 15:34 gmcharlt :) 15:34 gmcharlt cait: sure 15:35 tcohen cait: agreed 15:35 ztajoli Ok, for CINECA july is a good month for 11944 15:35 cait #action cait to put UTF-8 GBSD on next weeks meeting agenda 15:35 cait next is removal of prog/CCSR themes 15:35 cait decision has been made, now we need to get it done :) 15:36 tcohen has anyone appointed to start sending patches on this? 15:36 tcohen cait: the topic 15:36 cait tcohen: we are still in bugs 15:36 tcohen :) 15:37 tcohen ok, volunteers? oleonard? 15:37 cait #info Removal of prog/CCSR themes (bug 11346) - looking for volunteers 15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes 15:37 Joubu I am volunteer to SO on it :) 15:37 tcohen ok, I can delete that stuff 15:37 tcohen will be sending patches soon 15:37 oleonard Sorry, I was afk 15:38 tcohen if anyone wants to help, let me know 15:38 oleonard I have started submitting patches already, will continue. 15:38 tcohen oh, great! 15:38 cait :) 15:38 bgkriegel there are five patches from oleonard removing related sysprefs 15:38 cait oleonard++ 15:38 tcohen oleonard++ 15:38 gmcharlt oleonard++ 15:38 cait #action oleonard is going to send patches for removing the deprecated prog/CCSR themes 15:38 ashimema oleonard++ 15:39 oleonard I'm not sure how we should handle the upgrade process for users of prog 15:39 cait i think we might have to put in a database update 15:39 cait switching the pref 15:39 tcohen moving them to bootstrap 15:39 cait that will keep their opacs functional 15:40 gmcharlt yes 15:40 cait and also a big red note in the release notes? 15:40 khall why not remove the pref altogether? 15:40 cait khall: because you can create templates 15:40 tcohen khall: we agreed people might have their own templates 15:41 khall which is generally a terrible idea 15:41 cait khall: not necessarily 15:41 gmcharlt khall: who's to say that if the library is comfortable doing it? 15:41 oleonard We let people do all sorts of things which are terrible ideas :) 15:41 gmcharlt cait: see also bug 12233 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, REOPENED , remove prog and CCSR OPAC themes 15:41 cait khall: and look at ccsr - you can just have your own template file for one thing and fall back to standard theme for the rest 15:41 khall cait: yeah, I just thought of that. 15:42 cait i haven't used it yet... but it seems like something that might be useful for some 15:42 cait :) 15:42 * khall has dealt with custom templates and didn't enjoy the experience 15:42 cait ok, anything more? 15:43 cait next is the removal of C4/SQLHelper 15:43 cait yohann1 has send some patches to achieve that 15:43 cait yohann++ 15:43 ashimema yohann++ 15:44 Joubu Yes, the patches are interesting, but he needs some feedbacks to continue 15:44 Joubu see the mail on the list 15:44 cait #info some patches for removing SQLHelper from the code base are ready for testing/feedback, see http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-June/040594.html 15:44 Joubu There are at leats 4 others modules to update 15:44 ashimema I was about to say that Joubu.. do any dbic pros want to comment on the bug please.. i'm no pro so not in a position to ;) 15:44 cait also yohann++ for improving our test coverage :) 15:45 gmcharlt yohann++ 15:45 khall yohann++ indeed 15:46 cait can someone give me something for an #action? :) 15:46 khall I'm am completely for increased use of dbic 15:46 ashimema me too ;) 15:47 cait hehe those are nice but not #actions 15:47 ashimema though using it in the koha context is still baffling me a tad. 15:47 cait i guess that's the problem here 15:47 ashimema cait, someone needs to step up and give yohann some feedback.. 15:47 khall I will 15:47 ashimema yeay.. action on khall ;) 15:47 cait yay 15:47 ashimema nice one khall++ 15:47 cait #action khall to give yohann feedback on his patches 15:47 Joubu khall: thanks 15:48 yohann1 khall: thanks you :) 15:48 khall np! 15:48 cait ok 15:48 cait runing a bit low on time... next one :) 15:48 tcohen yohann1++ 15:48 cait Better ways to manage MARC Frameworks - Bug 12477 15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks 15:48 tcohen bgkriegel? 15:48 wahanui bgkriegel is on a signoff spree 15:48 cait bgkriegel: do you want to take over? 15:49 bgkriegel what do you think on using xml for our data? 15:49 bgkriegel it will be easier to translate 15:49 * khall notices yohann uses HashRefInflator, excellent! 15:50 bgkriegel i have some code for frameworks, and most sql files 15:50 tcohen the idea is to have the sample data (for example) in XML format for easier translation tasks 15:50 cait bgkriegel++ his work on making the frameworks translatable has been a great help in updating the German frameworks 15:50 bgkriegel but dcook raised some questions on that bug, i think someone could comment 15:50 cait it was sooo easy compared to the horror of translating them the first time 15:51 gmcharlt one approach might be to change the structure so that there's a concept of a derived framework 15:52 cait gmcharlt: it hink we already have that now for authorities 15:52 cait well in sql 15:52 cait but it seems to work nicely 15:52 gmcharlt right, but user-facing 15:52 gmcharlt i.e., the standard frameworks wouldn't be changed, but could be upgraded to meet the standard 15:53 gmcharlt if somebody wants a customized one, they'd derive it from one of the standard ones 15:53 gmcharlt and the custom ones wouldn't be touched during ugprades 15:54 bgkriegel no need for actions right now, but some ideas to work with, could be comments on 12477 15:54 tcohen +1 for the idea of having the data in XML for translation purposes 15:54 cait #action all comment on bug 12477 with ideas about improving our MARC framework management 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks 15:55 cait we are running out of time, so i will hurry up a big 15:55 cait a bit 15:55 cait #topic Testig of APIs, CAS... 15:55 cait api patches often seem to get stuck, because we have only very few testers for them 15:56 cait one reasn is that we don't have an LDAP or CAS to test against 15:56 cait for the CAS patch paul_p has provided a login to a test server, so that should be possible to test now 15:56 cait please, if you can test LDAP, SIP, CAS patches, do so, even if they are signed off already 15:56 ashimema it's not as easy as putting up a test ldap/cas/shibboleth server though unfortunately. 15:57 ashimema allot depends on the varying configurations.. 15:57 tcohen Z39.50 also 15:57 cait i think a second sign off could help QA 15:58 cait #action all if you can, test LDAP, SIP and CAS patches or give them a second sign off! :) 15:58 cait ok, that's it from me on the topic 15:58 cait :) 15:59 cait yes, z39.50 - but I think nothing in the qa queue currently - maybe in needs sign off 15:59 cait #topic Big stuff we are working on 16:00 cait any announcements?? 16:00 cait sorry, that shoudl have been only one ? 16:00 Joubu nothing new planned here. 16:01 ashimema nadda here... to much other stuff on the plate 16:01 tcohen I plan to work on TemaTres integration soon 16:01 tcohen will have a videoconference with its creator tomorrow morning 16:01 cait #info tcohen working on TemaTres integration soon 16:01 Joubu Still waiting a signoff on batch moification records patches (bug 11395 and linked) 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for records 16:01 tcohen to complete the current RFC 16:02 cait #info Joubu still waiting for a signoff on batch modification records - bug 11395 16:02 cait khall? gmcharlt? 16:02 tcohen TemaTres author is willing to do whatever is needed to help integrating it to Koha 16:02 tcohen :-D 16:02 gmcharlt tcohen: TemaTest is what, briefly? 16:02 gmcharlt cait: yes, but not making promises yet as to when 16:02 tcohen TemaTres is a tool for managing thesaurus and controlled vocabularies 16:03 khall I'll take a look 16:03 tcohen it has a REST API 16:04 tcohen gmcharlt: http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ 16:04 cait #link http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ 16:04 gmcharlt tcohen: neat! 16:04 Joubu (have to go, bye) 16:05 tcohen it implements the SKOS model 16:05 tcohen and there are several ways to integrate it 16:05 tcohen that we will discuss soon :-D 16:05 cait :) 16:05 cait someone going to help me with finding a good time for the next meeting? 16:06 gmcharlt early August? 16:06 oleonard August 6 starts the Koha North America conference 16:06 cait i think tcohen had said something about 3 weeks 16:06 cait maybe 23rd? 16:07 bgkriegel July 23? 30? 16:07 tcohen yes 16:07 ztajoli fro me is better 23rd 16:07 tcohen July 23rd 16:07 cait #topic Set date of next meeting 16:08 gmcharlt +1 23rd July 16:08 oleonard +1 for July 23 16:08 ashimema +1 16:08 bgkriegel +1 16:08 cait #agreed next meeting, pending confirmation from second meeting today, will be 23rd July, 15 + 22 UTC 16:09 cait sorry for being a bit fast in the end 16:09 tcohen +1 16:09 cait but we are over by 10 minutes! heh :) 16:09 cait #endmeeting 16:09 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 16:09:25 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 16:09 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_1.2014-07-02-15.00.html 16:09 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_1.2014-07-02-15.00.txt 16:09 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_1.2014-07-02-15.00.log.html 16:09 cait thx everyone! 16:09 bgkriegel cait++ 16:09 ztajoli bye 16:09 gmcharlt cait++ 16:10 tcohen cait++ 16:10 ztajoli cait ++ 16:10 newbie It was great to watch :-) 16:11 newbie goodbye 17:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9811: Fix wording branch vs library <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fa481fa081e52053ee535b9a94e71483950b4a0> / Bug 9811: Cardnumber could be alphanumeric <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bbda034644723750a11c5693953390cc229a0a7> / Bug 9811: Various fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05b4fd7d522436face13f45634671bae0151b 18:00 tcohen #koha: what is "Term" used for in course reserves? 18:02 cait i think the term of the ... hm academic year? 18:03 cait but it's bad for translation 18:03 tcohen manual uses "Spring" as an example 18:03 cait spring semester... maybe 18:03 cait spring course 18:03 cait khall: ping? 18:03 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 18:05 oleonard I think "term" is a less-specific word where "semester" and "quarter" imply a more specific duration, but all are basically the same thing 18:07 tcohen thanks oleonard, cait 18:10 cait oleonard: the problem with term is that it also means... something like word 18:11 cait so for translation... it's been a problem and it's wrong in our opac currently 18:11 * oleonard approaches the English Council of Terminology to petition a rule change 18:11 cait thx :) 18:12 cait well... we still have jquery :) 18:15 tcohen and Pottle! 18:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: BUG 12304: LDAP auto-provisioning set default messaging preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9da4c80b0149a88c14316099515ede2ebdaf7646> / Bug 12456: The file C4/Maintainance.pm, and by extension the file t/Maintainance... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9187c10a8008a2e29051ff167fca39323d4cbe80> / Bug 9811 [QA Followup] - Enable bProcessing <http://git.k 18:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12386 - 'Days in advance' pull down in bootstrap OPAC is huge <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8789adfe2c0351101c0fe1846b32d5bd2c01277> / Bug 8566: [SIGNED-OFF] Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7a55f58901d7cfd98b846213654df0d7544695b> / ug 11857 - Number of patrons on a patron list not accurate 19:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12463 - Capitalization: Calendar tool, headings for different types of holidays <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d925b0446d3071a3d25e2837dcee548480eb9d1f> 19:06 cait khall++ :) 19:08 tcohen can anyone sign 12151? i bothers me a lot :-P 19:11 tcohen bye #koha 19:53 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7021#c14 19:53 huginn 04Bug 7021: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, ASSIGNED , patron category in the statistics table 19:53 oleonard "lol" ? 19:55 rangi morning 19:56 rangi super helpful comment 19:58 cait maybe a typo/accidentally hitting sent 20:14 oleonard Bye #koha 20:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12485 - Show OPAC search history when opacuserlogin is OFF <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a06cb31941f8cb4cee5498f25e518344e8f9aeda> 21:25 wizzyrea doh missed oleonard 21:26 wizzyrea bug 12151 21:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12151 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , remove remaining uses of the Perl smartmatch operator 21:49 tcohen hola #koha 21:50 cait hola tcohen 21:50 eythian_ hi 21:53 tcohen dev meeting in 6 minutes! 21:56 eythian_ all going well I may have to bail part way through. 22:01 tcohen #startmeeting Koha IRC Developer Meeting, July 2nd, part 2 22:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 2 22:01:07 2014 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_2' 22:01 tcohen #topic Introductions 22:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:01 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba 22:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 22:01 eythian_ #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 22:02 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater 22:02 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 22:02 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst 22:02 tcohen today we had a really long meeting 22:03 tcohen so, moving on :-D 22:03 tcohen agenda: 22:03 tcohen #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_2_July_2014 22:03 tcohen #topic RM 3.18 comments 22:04 tcohen I mentioned today that the jenkins tasks have been set to build and run tests for all stable branches 22:04 tcohen on ubuntu 12.04 & 14.04, and Debian 6 & 7 22:04 tcohen each one has its own DB 22:04 tcohen tweaks might be needed to the launching scripts 22:04 tcohen I ask everyone interested (specially RMaints) 22:05 tcohen to take a look and let me know their suggestions or stuff that needs to be done 22:05 tcohen #info Jenkins tasks have been changed/updated, feedback from RMaints and anyone interested is expected 22:06 tcohen Also, we are exploring the use of Trello to coordinate more efforts on the development team 22:07 tcohen Katrin is experimenting for QA, I expect dcook to do it on for his Search code rethink/rewrite effort 22:07 tcohen #info Koha Community org on Trello can be found at https://trello.com/kohadevel 22:07 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina & late 22:08 tcohen #info anyone that wants to take a look at the Trello boards for Koha Community, just let tcohen know 22:08 tcohen also, I pushed my first "big patchset" (bug 9811) 22:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Patrons search improvements 22:09 tcohen I'm excited, and expect to have feedback if something needs improvement 22:09 tcohen also, now bug 11703 is passed-qa, i'm considering it for pushing soon, tomorrow i'll be testing it too 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable 22:10 tcohen questions on RM 3.8 comments? 22:10 tcohen s/\.8/\.18/ :-P 22:11 tcohen ok, moving on? 22:12 cait yep 22:12 cait move on :) 22:13 tcohen Ah, I forgot to mention that the new jenkins setup made visible some problems, most notably Perl 5.18 related 22:13 tcohen anyone that wants to take a look is welcome 22:13 tcohen ok, moving on 22:13 tcohen #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines 22:14 tcohen it's been discussed that non-XSLT should be deprecated 22:14 tcohen #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040456.html 22:14 tcohen on the first part we discussed changing the coding guidelines to reflect that 22:15 eythian_ It'd be good to have a plan, like with prog->bootstrap 22:15 eythian_ e.g. start making XSLT default, then in a couple of releases remove it. 22:15 cait xslt is already default :) 22:15 eythian_ Just to ensure everyone has a heads up. 22:15 eythian_ oh good :) 22:15 cait the next step would be identify features that are non-xslt only 22:15 cait it appears there is at least one 22:16 tcohen and sysprefs 22:16 wahanui hmmm... sysprefs is one 22:16 cait HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich 22:16 cait and gmcharlt has written up a suggested no coding guideline - http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 22:16 cait hm new coding guideline... not no 22:16 tcohen #info suggested coding guideline by gmcharlt http://paste.lisp.org/display/143068 22:18 tcohen do we agree on that addition to the coding guidelines? 22:18 eythian_ +1 22:18 tcohen the plan is to freeze non-XSLT related code during 3.18 22:18 cait +1 22:19 cait adding no new features to non-xslt 22:19 tcohen +1 22:20 tcohen agreed? 22:20 tcohen #agreed add a deprecation warning to coding guidelines 22:20 tcohen #topic Bugs 22:20 tcohen I mentioned two bugs that remove stuff 22:21 tcohen which are passed QA 22:21 cait Removal of C4/Maintainance.pm - Bug 12456 22:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12456 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Master , The file C4/Maintainance.pm can be removed 22:21 tcohen bug 12456 (already on master) 22:21 cait Removal of misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP - Bug 9000 22:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP 22:22 tcohen does anyone have any concern on removing rss.pl? 22:22 tcohen it depends on HTML Template Pro which is not even a dependency for us 22:22 tcohen and we can always recover from git if needed 22:23 eythian_ yeah, if it's never used and won't even work, toss it. 22:24 tcohen with cait we agreed earlier 22:24 rangi there are some people around the world using it, it will work fine if you installed koha a while ago and jsut kept on upgrading 22:24 tcohen rss.pl? 22:25 rangi so we would need to make it nice and clear in the release notes its being removed 22:25 rangi yes 22:25 rangi asheima said so in the last meeting 22:25 rangi if you have html::template::pro installed, it works 22:25 cbrannon Is anyone aware of an item limit for bib records? 22:25 cait it does 22:25 rangi and if you installed koha pre 3.4.0 you will have 22:25 cait it's not nice, but i tried it, untranslatable tho 22:26 rangi so we will have to document its being removed and provide easy instructions for an alternative 22:27 cait ashimema said at the last meeting he had checked with his coworkers and they 'would cope' 22:27 tcohen ok, i'll send an email to the general list as we said in part 1 22:27 rangi yes, thats fine for those who have a support company 22:27 rangi i still think we need to make it very clear in the release notes (not just an email to the list) 22:27 cait yes, so far it's just the only feedback from users we have 22:27 tcohen maybe they are interested in improving it 22:27 rangi im not against removing it 22:27 cait gmcharlt has also asked again on twitter, we can do mailing list and release notes 22:28 rangi just that it doesnt do the same thing as a saved search, so you will need to tell people how they can do the same thing 22:28 bag hey cbrannon there is a meeting going on - but I think you are looking for this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 22:28 huginn 04Bug 11096: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra 22:28 cbrannon sorry 22:28 cbrannon thanks 22:28 tcohen ok, we earlier agreed that there was no rush for it 22:29 tcohen and that a mail to the general list should be sent 22:29 tcohen (i'll do it) 22:29 tcohen asking people if they rely on that 22:29 tcohen #action tcohen will ask on the mailing list if someone still uses misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl (bug 9000) 22:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP 22:30 tcohen #info rangi asked that removal should imply a clear statement for the users to be aware of the removal 22:31 tcohen agreed on that path? 22:31 rangi yep 22:31 tcohen so, next is 22:32 tcohen UTF-8 cleanup - Bug 11944 22:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 22:32 tcohen Joubu worked hard on that. It is a tricky one 22:32 tcohen gmcharlt said he'll be reviewing that patch set 22:33 tcohen we need as many eyes as possible on that one 22:34 cait #info gmcharlt will set a date for a gbsd for the utf-8 clean up 22:35 tcohen #info cait will put the GBSD for UTF.8 cleanup in next general meeting's agenda 22:35 cait oh right.. there was that 22:35 cait :) 22:36 tcohen next is removal of prog/CCSR themes 22:36 tcohen #info oleonard said he'll be working on patches for that 22:36 cait oleonard++ 22:37 tcohen defaults need to be changed, sysprefs deleted, and so on 22:37 tcohen #info Removal of prog/CCSR themes (bug 11346) - oleonard will be working on those patches 22:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes 22:38 rangi oleonard++ 22:38 tcohen one thing worth mentioning is that in will imply changing the opactheme syspref 22:38 tcohen syspref == ccsr || prog -> bootstrap 22:39 rangi yep 22:39 tcohen next is the removal of C4/SQLHelper 22:40 tcohen #info yohann sent several patches to move C4::SQLHelper-dependent code to using DBIx 22:41 tcohen khall_away offered to help him with that 22:41 tcohen and they are talking on hte public list about that 22:41 tcohen yohann++ 22:42 tcohen ok, moving on 22:42 tcohen Better ways to manage MARC Frameworks - Bug 12477 22:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks 22:42 tcohen bgkriegel? 22:42 wahanui bgkriegel is, like, on a signoff spree 22:42 bgkriegel well, as said earlier, need opinions/ideas 22:43 bgkriegel I'm for using xml, at last in frameworks 22:43 bgkriegel other files could be also 22:43 bgkriegel main reason is to ease translations 22:44 tcohen the idea is to use xml for generating the data 22:45 bgkriegel it will be useful if some want to comment on that bug 22:45 tcohen using XML has the advantage that the current translation tools like it 22:45 rangi id like to see it as a first step away from being MARC specific 22:45 rangi id like to move it to cataloguing frameworks 22:45 rangi which might be marc 22:46 rangi might be dc, might be whatever 22:46 tcohen interesting 22:46 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 22:46 rangi xml seems like a good step in that direction 22:46 wizzyrea ^^ 22:47 wizzyrea cataloguing_frameworks++ 22:47 rangi with that, plus elasticsearch .. we are moving away from 1968 :-) 22:47 tcohen rangi: if you have any idea on an XML model that should help going that direction, please step in :-D 22:47 tcohen hi wizzyrea 22:48 wizzyrea most of the metadata formats have dtds I thought... 22:49 tcohen the cataloguing interface needs to be rewritten to support that I guess 22:50 cait hm for the data i think yes, but not sure that's the same 22:50 cait we would have to add to it maybe, but use vor validation? 22:50 bgkriegel and what about rancor? 22:51 cait not sure what i say makes sense it's quite late here 22:51 rangi thats designed heavily for cataloguers (ie people who like MARC) i doubt we'd touch that 22:52 wizzyrea could probably take some cues from projects like greenstone 22:52 rangi just not locking us into only being able to represent marc fields would be the first step 22:54 tcohen rangi et al: do u plan to work on that regarding the ES integration efforts? 22:54 rangi not in this release cycle no 22:55 rangi well elasticsearch already lets us index anything, not just marc so nothing more needed there really 22:55 eythian_ Though a lot of the existing stuff it hooks into expects marc, but that's a solvable problem. 22:55 rangi just whatever we choose to represent our frameworks, it would be nice to not build in assumptions that it will always be MARC 22:55 rangi ie it doesnt have to support others yet, but just not make it harder to :) 22:56 tcohen DSpace uses an XML file to model the input form (cataloguing framework) 22:57 cait the change is also to make it easier translatable - i think maybe not try tomake it do everything now, but make afirst step? 22:57 wahanui okay, cait. 22:57 tcohen anyway, what bgkriegel want's to do for now, is abandoning the SQL files stored in the source tree, and move them to XML for better translation 22:57 rangi yep 22:58 tcohen we currently have one file for each language 22:58 tcohen ok, if anyone has any comment to do on that, approach bgkriegel 22:58 tcohen or comment on the bug (feedback is always welcome) 22:59 tcohen dcook for instance, proposed YAML instead 22:59 tcohen ok, moving on now, agreed? 22:59 tcohen #topic Testig of APIs, CAS, LDAP... 23:00 tcohen the QA team has several bugs in their queue 23:00 tcohen due to the lack of a proper testing environment 23:00 tcohen not everyone has a CAS or LDAP server 23:01 tcohen SIP, etc 23:01 tcohen biblibre set a CAS server for testing purposes 23:01 tcohen biblibre++ 23:01 tcohen we still don't have an LDAP server for testing LDAP patches 23:01 * bag is working on getting an LDAP server for testing 23:01 tcohen :-D :-D 23:02 bag just got back in office from being out for about 40 days (work travel and vacation) 23:02 * tcohen is amazed most of the sentences are even aligned 23:02 bag so LDAP will come just not too fast 23:02 bag :) 23:02 tcohen bywater++ 23:03 tcohen #actions ByWater is working to provide an LDAP server for testing purposes 23:04 tcohen ok next topic 23:04 tcohen #topic Big stuff we are working on 23:04 tcohen anyone? 23:04 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 23:04 tcohen I mentioned earlier that I plan to work on a TemaTres<->Koha integration 23:05 rangi just the same as before 23:05 bag pianohacker just spent the last week working pretty heavily on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 23:05 huginn 04Bug 11559: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 23:05 rangi elastic search, plack, and cover images 23:05 bag he should have more patches coming in another 3~4 weeks 23:05 tcohen bag: what needs to be done for rancor? 23:05 tcohen (from the release team) 23:06 bag right now pazpar2 isn't reliable - so pianohacker needs to decide on how he wants the z3950 searching done 23:06 tcohen ok, let everyone know if feedback is needed 23:07 cait :) 23:07 bag like why even change what we already have versus being creative with something new :) 23:07 tcohen :) 23:07 cait there is also the opac patch using pazpar2 23:07 bag will do 23:08 bag yup cait there is... 23:08 cait not sure what we could use instead 23:08 bag once we can have pianohacker in the "office" for a consistent period we'll be looking at all those again 23:08 tcohen excellent 23:09 tcohen rangi: about plack support 23:10 tcohen is there big stuff needing sign-off or any kind of feedback? 23:10 eythian_ A few have been signed off, and one or two need a bit more work (of the ones I've done.) 23:10 * bag is working on getting 2 production sites up in the next two weeks for plack staff 23:11 bag see if we can't find some more bugs 23:12 eythian_ yay bugs! :) 23:12 tcohen ok, i mentioned TemaTres 23:12 eythian_ what is that? 23:12 wahanui well, that is the intended behavior? 23:13 tcohen is a tool for managing thesaurus and controled vocabularies 23:14 bgkriegel TemaTres: http://www.vocabularyserver.com/ 23:15 tcohen thanks bgkriegel 23:16 eythian_ That looks worthwhile. 23:16 tcohen we should move on, cait would fall asleep otherwise 23:17 cait huh? 23:17 * cait might already be half asleep 23:17 cait but it's the time 23:18 tcohen ok, moving on 23:18 tcohen #topic Dates of releases 23:18 tcohen we forgot to talk about that on part 1 23:19 rangi ah yeah 23:19 tcohen release dates are slippin 23:19 rangi ive notice we seem to be slipping from our release dates 23:19 rangi it used to be 15th was string freeze, and 22nd was release (for maintenance releases) 23:20 rangi but it kinda is all over the place now, which makes it harder for translators etc 23:20 rangi i just wanted to mention that, and see if people would like to try to get back to monthly regular releases 23:21 bag agreed - I think it should be back to 15th 22nd 23:21 tcohen yes, i'll talk to the guys about that 23:21 tcohen we can do it 23:21 bag I just don't want my calendar alerts to be wrong :P 23:21 rangi thanks 23:21 bag heh 23:21 tcohen ok 23:22 cait 22nd_releases++ :) 23:22 tcohen #topic Set time of next meeting 23:22 tcohen I proposed on koha-devel, trying a 3-week cycle for this meetings 23:23 tcohen thus, proposed July 23rd 23:23 tcohen same time 23:23 tcohen 15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC 23:24 eythian_ same_bat_time++ 23:24 rangi +1 23:24 bag works +1 23:24 tcohen http://bit.ly/1iXmSgC 23:25 tcohen ^^^^^^ kohacon14 23:25 bag ok I need dinner now 23:25 tcohen #agreed next meeting date: July 23rd (part 1: 15:00 UTC) (part 2: 22:00 UTC) 23:26 tcohen done 23:26 tcohen what was the command? 23:26 tcohen #endmeeting 23:26 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 23:26:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 23:26 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_2.2014-07-02-22.01.html 23:26 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_2.2014-07-02-22.01.txt 23:26 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_2nd__part_2.2014-07-02-22.01.log.html 23:26 tcohen thanks everyone 23:27 rangi thank you tcohen 23:27 * dcook looks forward to reading the minutes 23:27 tcohen hi dcook 23:27 bag thanks tcohen 23:28 bag tcohen++ 23:28 dcook Dang, cait...1:30am? 23:28 tcohen night every1 23:28 dcook hey, tcohen 23:28 dcook and night :) 23:28 tcohen wife is waiting for me to cook! 23:29 dcook heh 23:39 dcook oleonard++