Time  Nick         Message
23:59 dcook        I already have an S3 for a phone as well and apparently they sync...hmm
23:59 eythian      ah yep
23:58 dcook        Galaxy Tab 3 7", I believe
23:58 eythian      I have a nexus 7 which I quite like
23:57 dcook        Some friends bought it for me for my birthday
23:57 * dcook      tries to remember
23:56 eythian      what tablet?
23:56 dcook        Oooh. I'm getting a tablet soon...that could make it less painful...
23:55 dcook        Otherwise, I'll never make it to a dev meeting on IRC...
23:55 dcook        Hmm, maybe I should download an IRC client for my phone again
23:07 eythian      http://youtu.be/T9-OWfS2Vy4 <-- educational
22:26 eythian      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10216641/Time-to-bring-back-the-moa <-- uh huh
22:24 cait         hi eythian
22:22 eythian      hi
20:47 rhcl         http://x.hope.net/index.html
20:47 rhcl         If I lived in NY, like _some_ of the people on here...
19:48 tcohen       bye #koha
19:44 tcohen       heh
19:44 jcamins      tcohen++ # advanced RM sneakiness - incorporating Argentine tango into your project management technique
19:40 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11810: (followup) regenerate CSS due to conflict <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b212c4137d8b401073dd0c4d0ab07c12dd0fd224> / Bug 11810: Input fields in OPAC suggestion form are a bit short (Bootstrap) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d04f7dd958abd185448b3ea3c7d41a0e40571bd8>
19:37 jcamins      I _guess_.
19:37 tcohen       can I use vim instead of sed?
19:37 tcohen       you're brave jcamins
19:36 jcamins      tcohen: yaz-marcdump + sed
19:29 oleonard     Ah okay so it's my fault for having an older version :)
19:29 tcohen       lessc 1.7.3 (Less Compiler) [JavaScript]
19:28 oleonard     What version of lessc?
19:28 tcohen       "yui-compress option has been removed. ignoring."
19:28 tcohen       exactly
19:21 oleonard     You don't get a one-line CSS file with all whitespace removed?
19:20 tcohen       oleonard: it doesn't minify the file in my box
19:19 * tcohen     blames the latest lessc from npm
19:18 oleonard     --yui-compress does minify
19:18 tcohen       i thought we did
19:17 tcohen       so we don't minify the file
19:17 tcohen       ah
19:17 oleonard     the --yui-compress option removes line breaks
19:17 oleonard     I'm pretty sure both are options and they do different things
19:16 tcohen       oleonard: i installed the latest less and it is -x instead of --yui-compress
19:05 oleonard     lessc --yui-compress koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/less/opac.less > koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac.css
19:05 oleonard     I'm using:
19:05 tcohen       no problem
19:05 tcohen       so i pick your .less and regenerate
19:04 oleonard     tcohen: My understanding of how bootstrap CSS conflicts should be handled is that you should compile a new copy of the CSS and commit that
19:04 tcohen       thanks oleonard!
19:03 oleonard     Hi tcohen I'm here now
19:02 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
19:02 tcohen       @later tell oleonard please check 11810 that doesn't apply anymore
19:00 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12419: Not for loan items are not listed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=25193d088a62e62a4b638f251415220389a83559> / Bug 12419: (QA followup) regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4132ac28bf088960d25766fccc60ba1535a0e8ef> / Bug 12455: (QA followup) license text missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=870cafa4afa
18:31 tcohen       i thought we had an iso file
18:31 tcohen       :-D
18:22 cait         http://galencharlton.com/blog/2013/10/introducing-the-next-new-marc-editor-vim/
18:21 cait         give me a sec
18:21 cait         heh
18:21 cait         or vim
18:21 cait         vi
18:19 tcohen       marc editor for linux?
17:00 oleonard     barton: Were you able to observe specific problems with clicking through from verification emails?
17:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Links in every patron self-registration email points to a single borrower
17:00 oleonard     barton: I don't think I can reproduce Bug 12371. My query of borrower_modifications looks like the results on the bug, but clicking through from verification emails seems to work as it should
16:57 nazareth_    heeeeeey,..
16:53 nazareth_    hablas español?
16:52 nazareth_    alguien que hable español?
16:52 * wahanui    waves
16:52 nazareth_    hi?
16:46 nazareth_    hola hola?
16:46 nazareth_    hola?
16:43 nazareth     que tal buenos dias..
16:43 nazareth     hablan español?
16:43 wahanui      que tal, nazareth
16:43 nazareth     hi
16:25 gaetan_B     bye!
16:12 cait         worth a try .)
16:12 huginn       cait: The operation succeeded.
16:12 cait         @later tell rangi - could you add a 3.16 version to bugzilla please?
16:11 cait         maybe rangi coudl do it too
16:11 cait         oleonard: you are right
16:06 oleonard     gmcharlt: Looks like we need a version entry in Bugzilla for 3.16
15:35 cait         hehe
15:35 tcohen       come to kohacon14 in october and you'll have that beer
15:34 tcohen       first fill the bug!
15:34 grharry      tcohen: thanx ... I prefer a beer !!! I will try to locate the problem ...
15:33 tcohen       (if you provide a solution you'd earn bonus cookies btw)
15:33 tcohen       we'll sort it out
15:33 tcohen       grharry: fill the bug
15:32 reiveune     bye
15:29 grharry      yes indeed they do !!! :)
15:28 grharry      I am afraid that V3.16.01 zebra indexes  also have the same problem
15:24 cait         grrr overdues--
15:23 grharry      and also perform a diff check between the versions !!!
15:22 grharry      Yes ... I intend to ... but I would like to check it the bug still holds for koha 3.16.01 ... I am on !!!!
15:22 tcohen       you should fill a bug on that
15:20 fridolin     see u
15:19 wahanui      hmmm... UNIMARC is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
15:19 grharry      and UNIMARC
15:19 grharry      tcohen: zebra index defs of 3.16  and specific query (1=54) language of the item ... NO
15:18 grharry      So I would presume that there must be some sort of miss-configuration for the zebra 3.16 in the index defs
15:18 tcohen       grharry: do u mean that with your current setup UNIMARC searching is not working?
15:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11810 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Input fields in OPAC suggestion form are a bit short (Bootstrap)
15:17 cait         bug 11810
15:16 grharry      Hello again ... regarding the zebra index schema of 3.16 vs 3.14 I've just reverted my zebra conf from the 3.16 KOHA  to 3.14 and after rebuilding  the indexes (  unimarc ) the query "find @attr 1=54 fre" works as well as the OPAC !!
15:09 tcohen       could you regen the css with less?
15:09 tcohen       oleonard: 11810 is not applying anymore
14:28 cait         everything dates related causes mighty headaches
14:28 cait         overdues-testing--
14:24 cait         yay :)
14:24 paul_p       ;)
14:23 paul_p       cait = wait a few minuts, I'll send you a link with a video of me with my beard (speaking french though)
14:23 tcohen       o/
14:23 tcohen       hi paul_p!
14:22 paul_p       hello cait.
14:20 * cait       waves at paul_p
14:20 cait         oleonard: but we can only see his back!
14:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12223 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , members-update.tt has misspelled field B_phone name
14:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12361 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , No default value for opaccolorstylesheet syspref
14:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12479 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Update mailmap for master
14:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:05 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12223 - members-update.tt has misspelled field B_phone name
14:05 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 12361 - No default value for opaccolorstylesheet syspref
14:05 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12479: (QA followup) minor fixes, and tcohen added
14:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12464 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed by Module Maintainer , Bootstrap XSLT view no longer displaying 505 correctly formatted
14:05 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 12479 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update mailmap for master
14:05 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating new developers
14:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12464 - Bootstrap XSLT view no longer displaying 505 correctly formatted
14:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #34: FIXED in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U12/34/
14:05 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:05 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
13:59 vfernandes   because my listen for public server is set tcp:@:9998
13:58 vfernandes   z39.50 is UDP or TCP?
13:58 paul_p       wearing a beard since 2-3 months
13:58 oleonard     :)
13:58 paul_p       oleonard yes, it's me ;-)
13:56 oleonard     paul_p is sporting a beard now, or is that evil paul_p from a parallel universe? https://twitter.com/BibLibre/status/483589461142671360
13:52 marjorie     cait: thanks for your help, i will try on a test machine
13:52 vfernandes   yes cait i've followed the wiki
13:51 cait         did you check the wiki?
13:51 cait         and then only tested it locally
13:51 cait         vfernandes: i have only done it once with marc21 so probably not much help there :(
13:51 vfernandes   anyone can help me?
13:51 jcamins      marjorie: unless you have an extremely small collection, trying an SQL query to identify unused authorities is likely to be rather rough on your server.
13:50 cait         marjorie: if you can maybe to it on a test machine or limit it to some fields/records at first
13:50 cait         marjorie: it could create quite a load on your server
13:49 vfernandes   i can't put my koha as z39.50 server :/
13:49 marjorie     cait: ok thanks!
13:49 cait         but it's the only way i can think of to find out right now
13:48 cait         i ahven't tried it so far
13:48 marjorie     cait: ah!
13:48 cait         i think you'd need to use the marcxml field and compare the values in $9 in several fields to your auth_headers table
13:47 cait         marjorie: i think that would be quite complicated
13:43 marjorie     Hi,  anyone knows a SQL query to list the authorities that are not used? Thanks!
13:39 grharry      I dont understand  "find @attr 1=1095 fre" original-code of the item ... works OK .. but not the 1=54 !!!
13:34 huginn       rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 27.3°C (8:34 AM CDT on June 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
13:34 rhcl         @wunder 64507
13:34 huginn       rhcl: The current temperature in Yale, Kline Geology Lab, New Haven, Connecticut is 23.3°C (9:08 AM EDT on June 30, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
13:34 rhcl         @wunder new haven, ct
13:26 cait         Yohann++
13:25 cait         butit looks ok to me too
13:25 cait         not sure then
13:25 cait         hm
13:22 grharry      in the zebra config files
13:22 grharry      It all seems good
13:21 grharry      http://paste.koha-community.org/70?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
13:11 cait         als check another unimarc catalog for reference - if it works there
13:11 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12223 - members-update.tt has misspelled field B_phone name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=059f20171077a8f78af4d1c89d1e547948ae1e9f> / Bug 12361 - No default value for opaccolorstylesheet syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75af5146560e90117f6e07f80b35c36c283a7ada> / Bug 12479: (QA followup) minor fixes, and tcohen added <http://git.koha-community.or
13:11 cait         grharry: first i would check which fields are indexed as language
13:10 huginn       grharry: downloading the Perl source
13:10 grharry      @and
13:10 grharry      so needed
13:10 grharry      $a Lastname $b First name
13:10 grharry      in unimarc
13:10 grharry      :)
13:09 grharry      where not able to help
13:09 grharry      since most people do not know unimarc
13:09 grharry      and
13:09 grharry      wrong query
13:09 grharry      yes
13:09 cait         were you able to track down the reason fro your other search problems?
13:09 cait         sorry not sure
13:09 cait         maybe it's meant for Language of Cataloguing
13:08 grharry      and is the code of marc record
13:08 grharry      this is the http://archive.ifla.org/VI/3/p1996-1/uni1.htm#100 general processing data field
13:07 grharry      no
13:07 cait         There is a pref for defaulting the field - UNIMARCField100Lanugage
13:06 cait         it looks like it should be in 100
13:06 grharry      it is in koha indexdefs
13:06 grharry      I think it is
13:06 grharry      sorry
13:06 grharry      I thing
13:06 grharry      it is
13:06 cait         hm it might not be indexed in ln
13:06 grharry      101 a
13:05 grharry      I am in unimarc
13:05 cait         only in 041 or also in the controlled field?
13:05 grharry      yes cait ... they are
13:05 cait         grharry: did you make sure those are in your records?
12:53 grharry      anybody knows something about this ???
12:52 grharry      zebra returns [114]  Unsupported Use attribute
12:51 grharry      hello, I cant query the z3950 server with "find @attr 1=54 fre" language of  the item and neither koha OPAC shows any results when selecting language from advanced search !!
12:23 cait         overdues--
12:23 cait         hi tcohen :)
12:22 wahanui      morning is a state of the cait
12:22 tcohen       morning!
12:19 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:11 huginn       cait: The operation succeeded.
12:11 cait         @later tell tcohen ping :)
12:11 cait         morning francharb
12:05 francharb    Morning #koha
11:52 fridolin     test with telnet
11:52 fridolin     vfernandes: maybe you have a firewall bocking 9998 port
11:51 vfernandes   fridolin.... my bad, biblioserver is running on unix socket
11:51 fridolin     but you can have one on unix socket and the other on TCP
11:50 fridolin     vfernandes: indeed you can not have 2 servers using TCP on the same port
11:06 vfernandes   there is any problem to have biblioserver and publicserver on the same port?
11:06 vfernandes   *authorityserver on port 9999
11:05 vfernandes   biblioserver is running on port 9998, authorityserver on port 9998, public server on port 9998
11:01 vfernandes   OUTSIDE SERVER : yaz-client catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt:9998/biblios NOT WORKING
11:01 vfernandes   INSIDE SERVER : yaz-client catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt:9998/biblios WORKING
11:01 vfernandes   yaz-client inside server is working with the ip and with the domain
10:59 vfernandes   first i have uncommented the line refered on point 1 of that page
10:59 vfernandes   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
10:58 vfernandes   any one here with experience to configurate koha as z39.50 server?
10:58 vfernandes   hi ;)
09:56 cait         Joubu: i really like the options it offers :)
09:56 cait         so just the typos and a bit more testing and hopefully nothing iwll be found :)
09:55 Joubu        great :)
09:55 cait         Joubu: ok - i asked them, if you move the money, the old budget is not changed, so your implementation is like they would expect it work :)
09:50 cait         i wanted to check with my coworkers today on how it works in their experience
09:50 cait         i am not sure about this really
09:50 cait         about the question, what i was wondering was, if you decide to move the money from the old to the new budget, together with the orders - should the money really move? like be removed from the old budget (subtracted) and added to the new?
09:49 cait         heh
09:49 Joubu        "Details" smells good
09:49 cait         wht you prefer :) i think we have details in other places, but I didn't check
09:49 Joubu        so Information or Details ?
09:49 Joubu        haaa :) yes
09:48 cait         my suggestions was to rename informations to information OR details
09:48 cait         just checked your patch, i think i reated more confusion
09:48 Joubu        cait: yes, good catch. If I don't click  the checkbox, I see the .0000
09:47 cait         it's really a tiny thing, not worth spending too much time on, just wanted to try and help you locate it
09:46 Joubu        but I can hardcode the number of decimal values to display
09:46 cait         Joubu: ah, i meant maybe when you decide not to move the funds, the line would look different
09:46 Joubu        cait: We don't have a pref/setting to manage the price/number format
09:45 cait         maybe different settings?
09:45 cait         hm mine looked somewhat different this morning
09:45 cait         the outputi had was without moving them maybe
09:45 cait         ah
09:45 Joubu        I got "budget_12 (id=82) Amount=400 (200 remaining has been moved)"
09:44 Joubu        I am going to double check
09:43 cait         ohoh :)
09:43 Joubu        yep, but...
09:43 cait         and the amoutn with the .000000 appeared in the dark grey lines for the fund - i think maybe only if you move the money too?
09:42 cait         there is some kind of summary line in a darker grey and then there are the lines for the single orders
09:42 cait         when you do the rollover, you get the report table with what has been moved
09:42 cait         Joubu: i will start again
09:42 cait         ashimema: it looks like a really great feature so far :)
09:41 cait         so not in the lines with the moved orders
09:41 ashimema     oh.. we'de be interested in that too ;)
09:41 cait         the amount showed up in the grey lines
09:40 Joubu        yep
09:40 cait         do you have a sec for the rollovers?
09:40 Joubu        cait: hi!
09:38 cait         Joubu: around?
08:34 wahanui      goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
08:34 dcook        night all
08:34 dcook        ok really going home this time
08:30 dcook        The children and the wedding guests ;)
08:30 dcook        hehe
08:30 cait         children?
08:30 dcook        So many germ factories...
08:30 dcook        I think it's probably due to my wife working with kids and having attended two weddings this weekend
08:29 dcook        hehe
08:29 cait         hopefully not because of zebra and our way of mistreating it#
08:28 * dcook      is feeling a bit sick at the moment actually :(
08:28 cait         :)
08:28 cait         get rest
08:28 cait         yes go home
08:27 dcook        On that note, I should really go home :p
08:27 dcook        I think Search is one of the, if not THE, most important parts of the catalogue, so hopefully we can get it working better...
08:27 cait         dcook++
08:27 cait         :)
08:26 dcook        Yeah, I plan to look at QueryParser at some point after I iron out some of these issues with non-QP
08:26 dcook        Totes
08:25 ashimema     and I agree with you dcook.. zera used correctly is actually a very good search system.. we just don't use it well at all.
08:24 ashimema     Would be lovely to get get QP to be the foundation for zebra..
08:24 cait         so many things would be nice really hm.
08:24 cait         fixing the issues witht he query parser woudl be nice too...
08:23 cait         ideas are good :)
08:19 dcook        I have ideas :)
08:18 dcook        I'm not volunteering to take on the Search Rewrite RFC, but I'll refactor as much code as possible
08:16 dcook        (I imagine this is why Jared focused on introducing the QueryParser as his first step to fix Search)
08:15 dcook        And, from what I've seen, a great number of the problems are due to poor query building
08:15 dcook        But we don't treat it very well
08:15 dcook        Zebra is actually a pretty decent beast
08:15 wahanui      bidet, gaetan_B
08:15 gaetan_B     hello
08:15 dcook        But probably some major ones
08:15 dcook        ashimema: Mmm, not all
08:12 ashimema     Wow.. dcook.. did you just volunteer to fix all our zebra woes
07:57 dcook        Not precise plans yet...but ideas
07:57 * dcook      has ideas
07:56 dcook        It's largely because QueryWeightFields and the truncation mechanisms really don't play well together
07:56 * dcook      intends to fix that
07:56 dcook        Yeah, a lot of the search sysprefs don't play well together
07:55 cait         dcook: i think there was always something wrong with various combinations of the search prefs
07:48 dcook        I'll need to do quite a bit of testing on this one though...
07:48 dcook        And adds its own quotation marks which is a bad idea
07:48 dcook        If I'm right, it was exploding because "_build_weighted_query" tries to be smarter than it is
07:47 dcook        cait: Well, that'll have to get fixed too :p
07:47 dcook        Ahhh, nevermind
07:46 dcook        It looks like 3.14.3 might fix that..
07:46 cait         search explodes with one "
07:46 dcook        Ah...
07:46 cait         that's abit different
07:45 dcook        At least it acknowledges that it doesn't work..
07:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, RESOLVED FIXED, searches with quotation marks don't work
07:45 cait         i think so
07:45 dcook        $operand =~ s/"/ /g;    # Bug 7518: searches with quotation marks don't work
07:45 dcook        lol...
07:45 dcook        I suppose so long as we know to say "Yeah...it was broken before...it's better now.", it might be ok
07:44 dcook        Even though it's working better than before
07:44 dcook        The only downside is that it will change expected search results, so librarians might complain
07:44 dcook        If I'm able to finish some local tasks fast, I might be able to get to this later this week...
07:44 * dcook      ponders
07:43 * cait       totally believes that
07:43 dcook        It's a bit of a nightmare at the moment
07:43 dcook        Refactoring "_build_weighted_query" within C4::Search::buildQuery is high on my "want to do" list
07:41 dcook        QueryWeightFields*
07:41 dcook        When using...QueryWeightedFields
07:41 dcook        If I'm right, doing a "library catalog" search with a query like "this is a query" (ie a query wrapped in double quotation marks) will never produce results
07:41 cait         morning #koha
07:40 dcook        doozy in this case means "huge and awful"
07:40 dcook        hehe
07:40 paul_p       dcook doozy mean dozen ? ( in this case, it mean you're read only the first 100 lines :D )
07:39 dcook        Oooo, I think I might have found a doozy of a C4::Search bug...lol
07:15 fridolin     hie all
07:02 marcelr      hi #koha
07:00 wahanui      hola, reiveune
07:00 reiveune     hello
06:51 paul_p       yo dcook & others
06:49 dcook        yo ashimema and paul_p
06:48 dcook        later eythian
06:48 eythian      later :)
06:48 ashimema     have a nice evening.
06:48 ashimema     haha.. thanks eythian.
06:46 eythian      also, it's late :)
06:46 eythian      The neighbourhood is going downhill ;)
06:46 eythian      I'm off now.
06:46 eythian      hi ashimema
06:44 ashimema     Good morning #koha
06:42 dcook        lol
06:36 eythian      http://www.bash.org/?60469
06:35 cait         bbiab
06:35 huginn       cait: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
06:35 cait         @quote random
06:35 huginn       cait: Quote #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in a few but my brain told me that meant be back in a fire oleonard: similar to the common ctaof, for Can't talk, am on fire" (added by wizzyrea at 04:38 PM, September 23, 2011)
06:35 cait         @quote random
06:27 huginn       dcook: Quote #215: "mtompset> So would a Fire Weasel be a dev_hyperspace rift opening and spewing vast amounts of unformatted data at you?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:42 PM, August 22, 2012)
06:27 dcook        @quote random
06:27 dcook        Hmm, turns out you should really log out and log in after turning that stuff on...
06:26 * dcook      grumbles about IndependentBranches
06:25 huginn       eythian: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
06:25 eythian      @quote random
06:25 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
06:25 huginn       eythian: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011)
06:25 eythian      @quote random
06:25 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
06:25 huginn       eythian: Error: 'random' is not a valid id.
06:25 eythian      @quote get random
06:24 dcook        :D
06:23 huginn       cait: Quote #306: "<cait> i can not not plan! i am german!" (added by eythian at 06:23 AM, June 30, 2014)
06:23 cait         @quote get 306
06:23 huginn       dcook: I suck
06:23 dcook        @quote 306
06:23 huginn       eythian: The operation succeeded.  Quote #306 added.
06:23 wahanui      i already had it that way, eythian.
06:23 eythian      @quote add <cait> i can not not plan! i am german!
06:22 cait         eythian: you should plan better and log in :)
06:22 cait         meanies... hmpf.
06:22 eythian      hmm
06:22 huginn       eythian: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
06:22 eythian      @quote add <cait> i can not not plan! i am german!
06:21 dcook        "<cait>i can not not plan! i am german!"
06:21 * dcook      thinks someone should add that quote...
06:21 dcook        hehe
06:21 eythian      you have a problem then :)
06:19 cait         i can not not plan! i am german!
06:19 papa         :)
06:19 cait         meanies :)
06:19 dcook        papa: Sneaky
06:19 dcook        ^
06:19 eythian      next time, don't plan
06:19 eythian      cait: you made it rain by planning.
06:19 papa         I'm under cover
06:18 dcook        Hmm, your website only says Sydney and Melbourne?
06:18 cait         why is it rain always starts when i am just about to walk to work?
06:18 papa         happy Wellington days
06:17 dcook        hehe
06:17 eythian      dcook: he's effectively an honourary NZer. Despite living in AU.
06:17 dcook        Oh?
06:16 papa         those happy days are gone...
06:16 dcook        I didn't know that there were any Koha Catalyst people in Oz
06:16 dcook        papa: I always assumed that you were in NZ too
06:13 eythian      dcook: papa is our Brisbane office.
06:13 papa         yep, why?
06:12 cait         eythian: breakfast
06:11 dcook        papa: You live in Oz?
06:11 eythian      what's taking you so long?
06:11 eythian      well, I sent it about 4 minutes ago
06:11 cait         eythian: i do, but i don't remember anything about htat
06:11 eythian      http://2014.osdc.com.au/ <-- or this link
06:10 eythian      cait: read your email :)
06:10 eythian      "Griffith University Gold Coast campus"
06:10 cait         you all got me curious
06:10 cait         proposals for...? :)
06:09 papa         do they have the venue sorted out?
06:09 papa         45 mins to an hour drive
06:09 eythian      Surely it's a short walk from where you are anyway.
06:09 papa         nope :)
06:08 eythian      papa: got your talk topic worked out yet? :)
06:08 eythian      there we go, sent
05:57 dcook        You got one person out of the woodwork so far :p
05:57 dcook        Good idea sending to the list
05:57 dcook        Hope so
05:57 eythian      sounds good
05:57 dcook        Debated the last line a lot
05:56 dcook        Here's mine without the nice formatting of yours ;) http://paste.koha-community.org/69
05:55 eythian      I should post something to the Koha list, might get a few people out of the woodwork.
05:54 dcook        Sweet. I like it.
05:53 eythian      I might think of more over the next couple of days
05:53 eythian      http://paste.koha-community.org/68 <-- here's mine
05:53 dcook        What topics are you thinking about?
05:53 dcook        I think it's interesting, haha
05:52 * dcook      shrugs
05:52 dcook        I think it'll focus a bit on benefits/drawbacks, but the conclusion will be sort of "Cultivating an open source community" territory
05:51 eythian      That's OK, I've done those talks there before.
05:51 dcook        At least in terms of the wording
05:51 dcook        I guess I focused more on the business side than the community side of things though
05:50 dcook        Not really that happy with my proposal, but I usually dislike anything I write :p
05:50 dcook        Asks a few questions about a few scenarios (offering/asking for help, competing for clients)
05:50 eythian      ah, cool.
05:50 dcook        Basically, "can you be friends with the competition?"
05:50 dcook        Good question, lol
05:47 eythian      dcook: what was your topic in the end?
05:36 eythian      sweet
05:33 dcook        It looks like I'll go even if they don't accept it :)
05:33 dcook        Yep! Don't have long now...
05:33 eythian      I should start writing something up today too
05:33 eythian      awesome :)
05:33 dcook        eythian: proposal sent :)
05:02 cait         wish i could :)
05:01 eythian      go back to bed
05:01 eythian      hi cait
04:22 dcook        It's not enough to turn it on and then switch to a different F12 tab
04:22 dcook        You have to have the F12 debugger open on the screen for it to work though
04:21 dcook        wizzyrea: Yep, works fine on emulated IE9. I'd try the F12 dev tools, turn on the debugger for "Unhandled exceptions" (if it isn't already), then try saving a preference.
04:15 dcook        Looks like jquery.js has a few syntax errors that IE doesn't love but doesn't die on
04:13 dcook        wizzyrea: Actually, if you have your IE in debugging mode, you might be able to catch error messages before you crash
04:12 * dcook      was just looking at syspref saving a few weeks ago...
04:10 dcook        If it's hanging, I would look at the ajax call for sure..
04:09 dcook        Especially when using debugging mode
04:09 dcook        I've had it crash when emulating older versions
04:09 dcook        Are you using IE9 or an emulated version of 9?
04:09 wizzyrea     it's a windows box. Not really surprising.
04:09 dcook        Wow..
04:09 wizzyrea     crashed IE anyway
04:09 dcook        Killed it?
04:08 wizzyrea     but you know I just killed it testing this
04:08 wizzyrea     well I have a laptop here
04:08 dcook        Trying to think how you could remotely troubleshoot that one
04:08 * dcook      ponders
04:07 dcook        I don't have an IE9 VM (although I should probably get one sometime)
04:07 dcook        Saving sysprefs works ok in an emulated IE9
04:07 dcook        Hmm
04:07 dcook        Yeah, the marc upload won't work without that 10652 patch
04:06 wizzyrea     staging marc files I should say
04:06 wizzyrea     uploading marc files hangs at 0%
04:06 wizzyrea     saving system preferences hangs with a spinning dealie
04:06 dcook        ?
04:06 dcook        What was the description of the problem/
04:05 dcook        Hmm
04:05 dcook        durr
04:05 dcook        Ah, 9
04:05 wahanui      Which is quite horrible
04:05 dcook        Which?
04:05 wizzyrea     it was short lived.
04:05 dcook        IE9 is a special kind of hell too though
04:05 dcook        Yep
04:05 wahanui      somebody said 3.14 was coming out in November, so anything that gets bumped shouldn't be waiting too long.
04:05 wizzyrea     3.14?
04:05 dcook        The folks I have on IE8 haven't had troubles with it yet
04:05 wizzyrea     though marc upload mayb erelated to bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10652
04:05 dcook        Hmmm
04:04 wizzyrea     3.14
04:04 dcook        Yikes...that doesn't sound good
04:03 wizzyrea     IE9 - apparently it can't save system preferences?
04:03 * dcook      is "happy" to field IE questions :)
04:02 dcook        Hmm?
04:02 eythian      wizzyrea: don't forget that dcook is the IE expert around these parts
03:26 eythian      no problem
03:26 dcook        eythian++
03:26 dcook        Thanks for sharing the link!
03:26 dcook        Sounds like a plan :)
03:16 eythian      you can edit afterwards.
03:16 dcook        Whether I speak or not, I'll probably go anyway
03:16 eythian      yeah
03:16 dcook        I'll do it now :)
03:16 dcook        July 4th :/
03:16 eythian      keep an eye on the closing date, it's not very far away.
03:16 eythian      Awesome :)
03:15 dcook        I shall write somethign up :)
03:15 dcook        Bossman also is up for me going to OSDC!
03:15 dcook        My dad had a lot of police friends :p
03:15 dcook        Actually...there may have been a few other times as a child
03:14 dcook        The only time I was behind bars was during a tour as a cub scout :p
03:14 dcook        :p
03:14 eythian      I bet it was a close call for a moment there!
03:13 dcook        The Australian National Police say that I'm not a criminal!
03:13 dcook        Huzzah!
02:58 eythian      sure would.
02:58 dcook        Would be good to meet up for beers :)
02:58 dcook        I'll bring it up with the bossman. It sounds fun.
02:51 eythian      do, I've done a few talks at OSDC in the past, it's good fun.
02:50 dcook        I've been thinking about trying to get to more developer stuff rather than just library stuff
02:50 dcook        It's tempting to do a talk...
02:49 eythian      heh
02:48 * dcook      might still be making up for that
02:48 * dcook      may have gone to Kohacon which overlapped his wife's birthday
02:48 * dcook      double checks the dates for birthdays and other life events
02:48 eythian      you can always just go :)
02:47 dcook        Hmm, no idea what I would talk about though
02:46 eythian      yeah, I haven't been over to AU for a couple of years.
02:46 dcook        Good excuse to go to Queensland
02:45 dcook        Hmm
02:44 kathryn      ah, good
02:44 eythian      papa has also been told^Wasked to submit something ;)
02:44 kathryn      cool!
02:42 eythian      oh kathryn, just fyi ...^
02:42 eythian      I've got approval to submit a talk to it, so will probably be there.
02:41 * dcook      checks
02:41 dcook        Oh yeah...I clicked the link, eythian, but didn't look at it
02:31 dcook        Even though it could well be higher than that
02:31 dcook        But I remember a fair bit of discussion about how that's impossible to know
02:31 dcook        I imagine that's where the 10,000+ is from as well? I recall seeing the number
02:31 dcook        Mmm
02:30 rangi        a long time ago
02:30 rangi        thats what the old koha site used to say
02:30 dcook        Well, maybe not more than 120+ :p, but 120 just seems a strange number to base it on, unless it was chosen a long time ago
02:29 rangi        yep, patch is in passed qa to be pushed
02:29 dcook        rangi: Interesting. I looked at master for that value :/
02:28 rangi        a lot more than 120+ anyway
02:28 rangi        dcook: 252 now
02:01 eythian      http://2014.osdc.com.au/ <-- dcook, what are you going to submit?
00:36 dcook        Ahh, no worries. I just had a question about GitStats. Not important in the last :)
00:36 rangi        just about to duck out for lunch
00:35 dcook        rangi: Are you about?