Time Nick Message 00:06 eythian that's annoyingly sneaky 00:08 dcook hehe. I know, right? 00:08 dcook Actually, I think it's a bit terrifying. 00:08 dcook Due to the authority with which the narrator/writer speaks, you doubt yourself before you doubt them. 00:08 dcook They out the premise and you just accept it because...well...that's what you do when someone talks to you. 00:08 dcook They lay out* 00:09 dcook When I thought about it in terms of politics, it makes my skin crawl. 00:09 dcook [off] especially given how many people I know online who haven't figured it out yet 00:09 dcook Or sales...2 + 2 = 5...ugh. 00:09 dcook </rant> 00:28 dcook Hmm, might try using dbix for a local mod...might be good practice... 00:30 dcook Hmm maybe not.. 00:47 pianohacker okay, about to try the hotel coffee maker. I'm desperate for awake 00:49 dcook Where are you, pianohacker? 00:49 dcook Surely there must be better options around? 00:53 pianohacker dcook: not really. Hotel is near the airport and the good coffee shops around here seem to close early 00:54 dcook Ahh, dinger :/ 00:54 dcook I tried to get some food in the city the other day, and sure enough all the restaurants were closed by 6pm :S 00:55 dcook Well, not all of them...just the ones I went to... 00:57 pianohacker It ain't easy bein' a night owl 02:02 dcook status? 02:02 dcook history? 02:02 dcook marc status? 02:02 dcook marc history? 02:02 dcook Hmm 02:02 dcook We're a bot down! 02:02 * dcook will have to actually remember the link himself.. 02:05 dcook Huh...1 auth_tag_structure change in the history of updatedatabase.pl 02:05 dcook And only 12 auth_subfield_structure changes in that time as well.. 02:06 dcook According to http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html, there have been quite a few changes in the last 15 years 02:09 dcook I guess new installs might be getting updated frameworks though.. 02:11 eythian yeah, changing someone's framework while they're using it is probably not a good thing 02:12 dcook Agreed 02:12 dcook Unfortunately 02:12 dcook There needs to be a mechanism for updates though 02:12 eythian yeah 02:12 dcook It would probably have to be manual though 02:12 dcook That is, the librarian would have to review updates. 02:12 * dcook has been pondering this problem on and off over the past few years 02:13 dcook Unfortuantely, since we can no longer import frameworks via SQL, it's even harder. 02:13 dcook I had thought about using the default framework SQL as a base and loading it into a sort of "tag library" 02:14 dcook Then having a script that did a sort of diff to highlight changes/updates 02:14 dcook Actually... 02:14 dcook In theory, the only thing a person should really ever need to do is change labels and visibility 02:14 dcook (Unless they're creating a non-MARC framework) 02:15 dcook And "mandatory" I suppose 02:15 dcook And "tab" 02:15 dcook Basically "Koha-level" things 02:15 dcook Vs "MARC/standard-level" 02:15 dcook Sorry, I should stop ranting... 02:15 * dcook doesn't want to traumatize eythian to the point that he never speaks in channel again :p 02:23 dcook I actually haven't thought this out as much as I need to in order to offer up a real solution... 02:26 eythian it should all be files in git and they just get branched and merged like everything else. 02:27 eythian There, solved it :D 02:27 dcook Haha. What? 02:29 eythian well, part of the problem is that you don't want to mess up local changes when updating. 02:29 eythian So if it's all version controlled, then it'll do it for you. 02:30 dcook Each time a librarian changes a framework, that would need to commit to a git though 02:31 dcook I think the key is what needs to be updated... 02:31 dcook Really it's about missing fields, subfields, and changes to whether it can repeat. 02:31 dcook (To a lesser degree label/name changes) 02:32 dcook We don't track indicators, so those changes are irrelevant. We also don't track descriptions of fields, so they're also irrelevant. 02:32 dcook Changing "repeatability" isn't much of an issue since it's pretty transparent. 02:32 dcook But changing what fields/subfields show up...huge problem 02:33 dcook By default, I suppose we could automate it to add missing fields/subfields...so long as they remain hidden. 02:33 pianohacker we could always have the default framework as a yaml somewhere and custom frameworks elsewhere 02:33 dcook ^ 02:33 dcook That thought has crossed my mind a lot 02:33 dcook I would rather store the default framework as yaml rather than SQL 02:33 pianohacker _possibly_ allow a default framework in the DB to overlay parts of the YAML to allow for both updates and messing around with the local framework 02:34 dcook Hmm 02:34 pianohacker mainly for custom MARC mappings 02:34 dcook I'm not sure about that 02:34 pianohacker not that a library would do such a terrible thing <_< 02:34 dcook Ah right.. 02:34 dcook Well, it's legitimate to add local fields 02:34 dcook 9xx and such 02:35 dcook I think it would be OK to have a one-way relationship from the yaml framework to the custom frameworks 02:36 dcook The only thing you really want to change is visibility, mandatory, labels. 02:36 dcook And to add local fields/subfields. 02:36 dcook And updates from the yaml framework to the custom DB frameworks wouldn't have to touch any of those 02:37 dcook (Although I'm somewhat on the fence about labels...the ability to at least see the difference between labels might be good for when fields are renamed) 02:42 * dcook didn't mean to stifle the conversation... 03:41 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 03:42 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 04:58 paxed dcook: your comment on how it's all uphill battle is exactly how i feel. 04:59 dcook paxed: I thought you might be able to relate :p 04:59 dcook hey cait 05:00 dcook paxed: Usually, I feel ok about it, but I think I was particularly low on energy when I wrote that. 05:00 eythian hi cait 05:01 dcook paxed: I would also rather it be an uphill battle than a swamp where any and all code goes in. I just want to move faster than is realistic. 05:02 paxed dcook: "lumbering" 05:03 dcook Certainly feels that way sometimes 05:03 dcook But we're all time poor as well. 05:04 dcook I reported something like 6 bugs today and while some of them have easy fixes, I don't necessarily have the time/stamina to write the patches and the test plans 05:04 paxed dcook: imo stuff that is obvious, like typo fixes, shouldn't require QA. 05:04 dcook (And to test the patches of others to increase my karma/chances of my patches being tested) 05:05 dcook paxed: testing or QA or both? 05:05 dcook I wonder if that would be an idea...having a rule where trivial patches can go straight to QA or RM... 05:05 paxed dcook: typos in text are generally painfully obvious, at least to me. typos in code should of course be tested. 05:05 dcook or MM 05:06 paxed but having a one-liner require months of back and forth is irritating. 05:06 dcook Is there a particular one you have in mind? 05:07 paxed not right now. i'm also sort-of giving up - my current employment at the library ends at the end of this month. 05:08 dcook Ah, well, that's pretty soon! 05:08 dcook I probably wouldn't worry too much about it then ;) 05:08 dcook Koha is getting progressively better though 05:09 dcook I wasn't too impressed when I started using it at 3.2, but 3.14 is quite a bit better 05:09 dcook And I do still prefer it over the proprietary ILSes I used in the past 05:09 dcook Being open source, it's a bit easier to see the warts, but they exist in all systems, I think 05:09 eythian part of the problem was that in the Before Time, a lot of stuff went in with no sort of process, so there's still junk being pulled out. 05:10 dcook ^ 05:10 paxed kivilahtio got a permanent job here, so he'll be the one to maintain the system. i'll go back to my real employer. 05:10 dcook eythian: I think that's the thing that a lot of newbs like paxed and I need to keep in mind 05:10 dcook paxed: who is your real employer? 05:11 paxed dcook: a municipality-owned company, that handles all the helpdesking, networking, computer &c stuff for the municipalities around here. 05:12 dcook paxed: Ahhh, neato. 05:12 paxed dcook: the problem is that if newbs get frustrated when the bug-flow is irritating, they'll just stop contributing and go somewhere else. 05:12 dcook paxed: I suppose although Koha doesn't suffer from a lack of contributions 05:12 dcook Lots of people working on Koha. 05:13 paxed or you'll just get people who are getting paid to maintain, but aren't doing anything more than caring about their own library's needs. 05:13 dcook I think that's quite a good point 05:13 dcook I'm getting paid to maintain, but I'm also a librarian (and a perfectionist) who wants to improve Koha for everyone 05:14 dcook Usually, the paid work happens first locally, and then I upstream as much as I can (I would like more time to upstream more). 05:14 dcook I'd also like to take on projects that start upstream and eventually trickle down 05:14 dcook But that's the time/money/strategic vision problem :/ 05:15 paxed "why bother generalizing this quick hard-coded hack we have, when it takes a year for it to get into master?" 05:15 dcook I was just about to say that ;) 05:15 paxed "and we'd need to baby-sit it through every minute" 05:15 dcook Or rather...why bother trying to improve it for everyone if it takes a long time 05:15 dcook As the efforts might be wasted 05:16 dcook And we don't really have the time/effort to waste 05:16 dcook I think that's where I get frustrated. 05:17 dcook paxed: Yeah, the babysitting thing is interesting 05:17 dcook For instance, it's generally accepted that jcamins is the babysitter for QueryParser 05:17 dcook But that's not fair 05:18 dcook Others should take the time to learn QueryParser so that they can fix it too 05:18 dcook If knowledge is too specialized, it takes even longer to get things pushed 05:19 dcook But if you look at the stats, there is a lot of code pushed every month 05:19 dcook 37 patches pushed in June 05:19 dcook for master 05:19 dcook Galen pushed 559 so far in 2014 05:19 eythian I sometimes have trouble just keeping up with the bits that I'm supposed to know a lot about, in between other work. 05:20 dcook eythian: Yeah, I've struggled with that in the past as well 05:20 paxed dcook: yes, galen does amazing things, no doubt. 05:20 dcook eythian: That's why I'm hoping to do more in-code commenting as I try to improve Search as well 05:21 dcook (For everyone else as well as for myself) 05:21 eythian yeah, historically that's been pretty terrible 05:21 dcook Totally 05:21 paxed my main problem is that the QA can be too nitpicky. 05:22 dcook paxed: That's a bit of a conundrum though, no? 05:22 dcook The problems of the past were often created by a lack of nitpicky QA, I imagine 05:22 eythian fast, high quality ... pick 1. 05:22 dcook ^ 05:23 dcook As much as I would like it to be fast, I think I have to choose high quality for the good of the project. 05:23 dcook And just cope with personal frustrations. 05:23 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.pm;h=20ea1429c5fb087fd72deedd2c0e2af1bcb6cea6;hb=fd8b83fc7668fc3bc9570a3ef0b56cbf96429b0e <-- here's my QueryBuilder, dcook, just fyi 05:24 paxed dcook: my personal frustration was eg. bug 11885 05:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11885 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Inconsistent HTML in MARC Details 05:24 dcook eythian: You don't need to include QueryRemoveStopwords 05:24 dcook eythian: I plan to rip it out of the current code as it's already deprecated 05:24 eythian dcook: I know, I plan to remove it some time. 05:24 dcook Cool :) 05:25 dcook I was actually going to ask you about your QueryBuilder I think...but I can't remember why 05:25 dcook I think I got my answers from reading the code though 05:25 * dcook looks at paxed's bug 05:28 dcook paxed: That would be frustrating. 05:30 dcook In that case though, it looks like the longest gap was between creating the patch and getting the initial sign off 05:31 dcook And then the failed QA and the revised patch 05:31 dcook paxed: By the way, that does look like an elegant patch! 05:32 paxed i did not mind the time. the sentimentality that nothing should change in the output was galling. especially because the original code was not consistent between the tabs in the first place. 05:34 dcook Hmm, I suppose that one is a bit of a judgment call 05:34 dcook Yeah, I don't know if I would fail QA that for that reason 05:35 dcook Maybe add a follow-up to restore the bold at least... 05:35 dcook But not an outright fail 05:35 * dcook shrugs 05:36 paxed well, enough of that. i'm nearly out of fucks to give - just coasting until the end of the month. 05:38 dcook That's certainly your prerogative. I definitely experience highs and lows, but I'm optismitic about the future. 05:38 dcook optimistic* 05:39 dcook The patches you sent will help :) 05:45 Oak kia ora #koha 05:45 Oak hello cait 05:53 dcook Hmm, is there a way to associate different usernames with the same user in Git? 05:53 dcook I think I've seen it before with email address... 05:55 eythian I'm not sure I understand the question. 05:56 dcook Fair enough 05:56 dcook Is there a way to say Username X is equivalent to Username Y? 05:56 dcook Or Email X is equivalent to Email Y? 05:56 eythian where are these usernames coming from? 05:57 dcook Commit messages I think 05:57 dcook My first commit: 05:57 dcook commit b49af1df17c06cb41d168fa154cb2104798c33cf 05:57 dcook Author: David <dcook@prosentient.com.au> 05:57 eythian git doesn't really know about usernames, and author names/emails are just a bit of metadata, there's no real idea of them meaning anything beyond that AIUI 05:57 dcook versus my 2nd: 05:57 dcook commit 87eae41e509a69e6698264a38d079c78ef2451cb 05:57 dcook Author: David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> 05:58 dcook eythian: I was thinking about GitStats hehe 05:58 dcook I noticed that my stats are different between Github and Gitweb 05:58 eythian ah. I know nothing about GitStats sorry :) 05:58 dcook Yeah, I think that's a rangi matter 05:58 dcook Thanks anyway :) 05:58 eythian he's away for a few days 05:58 dcook I swear that I've seen aliases of some type before somewhere... 05:58 dcook I thought I saw jcamin's old email associated with his new one 05:59 dcook Must've been for something else perhaps 05:59 cait dcook: there is a mailmap file somewhere 05:59 cait i think in the repository for the release notes script 05:59 dcook That could be it, cait! 05:59 dcook The .mailmap feature is used to coalesce together commits by the same person in the shortlog, where their name and/or email address was spelled differently. 06:04 dcook cait: Yes, that's definitely it! 06:04 dcook I think that I can get "David" mapped to "David Cook" 06:05 dcook Adding one to my total and removing that "David" entry from GitStats :) 06:05 cait not sure if there is a second file rangi uses, you migth want to check with him 06:05 dcook Good call 06:05 dcook @later tell rangi Do you have a .mailmap file for GitStats or does it use the one in master? 06:06 dcook D'oh 06:06 dcook No wahanui 06:06 dcook Wait...that's a huginn thing I thought.. 06:09 eythian hi wahanui 06:09 wahanui niihau, eythian 06:10 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 06:10 eythian that took quite some time 06:12 eythian dcook: bug 12478 06:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 06:14 cait :) 06:14 dcook Ooo, wonderful. Thanks, eythian :). 06:16 dcook Hmm, cait, looks like GitStats respects .mailmap 06:18 cait eythian: why does one need to do to turn elastic on with your patch?:) 06:19 eythian cait: the amount of times I've forgotten to do that after reloading a database... 06:19 cait ah 06:19 cait how... 06:20 cait i actually meant to ask for some instructions on how to use the patch 06:20 eythian oh 06:20 cait like dependencies needed ... and stuff like that 06:20 eythian well, read the bug 06:20 eythian oh yeah, dependencies 06:20 ashimema morning all 06:20 cait missed the last comments - refreshing helps :) 06:20 eythian how refreshing. 06:21 cait eythian: just one thing... how does one set up an es-server? 06:22 cait the koha bits does look too easy... i guess the other bits are more complicated for testing 06:22 eythian you apt-get install elasticsearch :) 06:23 ashimema ooh.. awesome.. theres now a bug for es.. 06:23 ashimema nice one eythian. 06:23 ashimema just catching up 06:24 * cait waves to ashimema 06:25 ashimema morning cait. 06:25 eythian hi ashimema 06:25 ashimema evening eythian 06:26 eythian There we go, now it should be easy for anyone to test the ES stuff for me ;) 06:27 eythian s/anyone/everyone/ :) 06:27 ashimema :) 06:32 eythian I might head home. I realised that I got in over an hour earlier this morning to avoid no bus madness, so it's been a long enough day. I expect you all to have added issues/patches to the bug by tomorrow! :) 06:36 * magnuse waves 06:39 magnuse Bug 12478 - woohoo! 06:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha 06:40 reiveune hello 06:42 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:42 reiveune salut magnuse dcook cait 06:45 cait hi reiveune :) 06:47 dcook salut reiveune :) 06:47 dcook eythian: nighters 06:48 magnuse hiya cait dcook eythian 06:48 dcook yo magnuse 06:49 cait hi magnuse 06:50 dcook Hmm I'll need to add a .mailmap commit.. 06:57 dcook Hehe. Anyone want a super easy sign off? 06:57 dcook bug 12479 06:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12479 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Update mailmap for master 06:57 alex_a bonjour 06:57 wahanui hey, alex_a 07:01 magnuse dcook: done :-) 07:01 magnuse bonjour alex_a yohann 07:01 magnuse @wunder boo 07:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:01 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 17.9°C (9:01 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 07:01 alex_a hello magnuse 07:01 dcook magnuse: Awesome. Thanks :). 07:02 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 07:02 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:30 PM EST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 07:02 * dcook might still wear a sweater... 07:06 * dcook should really be leaving work...but is testing code instead 07:09 Joubu hello 07:09 wahanui salut, Joubu 07:12 cait bonjour Joubu 07:19 magnuse dcook++ 07:19 magnuse bonjour Joubu 07:20 Joubu Buenos dias cait, magnuse ;) 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:23 cait :) 08:02 ashimema evening rangi 08:20 nlegrand lsGOyo $koha! 08:20 nlegrand that was a strange greeting... 08:20 nlegrand I meant: Oyo #koha! 08:23 rangi hey ashimema 08:23 wahanui ashimema is on qa now .) 08:23 * magnuse suspects nlegrand of wanting to rewrite koha in go 08:23 rangi dcook: i think it uses the one in master 08:28 rangi yohann: you are the 251st person to get code into koha .. viktor was 250, you just missed out :) 08:30 yohann rangi : It's a pity, so close ... :p 08:32 cait but 251 is one better than 250 for Koha :) 08:32 magnuse so true! 08:34 rangi Juhani Seppälä is 252 from finlan 08:34 rangi d 08:34 rangi we have sweden, france, finland 08:35 magnuse woohoo! 08:36 rangi 249 is italy 08:36 rangi we could have our own world cup 08:36 rangi we have enough countries :) 08:36 cait :) 08:38 rangi 248 is UK 08:39 rangi someday i should try to work out how many different countries we have contributers from 08:39 rangi its hard though as i dont know all of them 08:40 cait maybe someof the email addresses could give a hint 08:40 paxed when's history.txt getting updated? 08:45 rangi theres a patch waiting qa, shouldnt be long 08:45 rangi bug 7143 08:45 wahanui bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 08:52 paxed i find it silly that needs to be QA'd 08:53 * cait does not think that 08:56 rangi the patch contains changes to about.tt if its broken, there's a broken page in koha 08:57 paxed ... so you cannot trust the dev who commits changes to repo to change about.tt 08:57 cait we are all human 08:57 rangi why should the rules apply to some, not all 08:57 cait this is not about trust 08:58 paxed let the process lumber on. i'll jump off the wagon 08:58 rangi and for the record ive submitted patches that break things before, i dont mind .. in fact i want my patches to go through qa 08:58 rangi maybe you should 08:58 rangi i for one am heartily sick of your negative attitude 09:05 rangi actually i apologise 09:06 rangi sorry, i shouldnt have said that 09:08 cait hm i am testing the patch for history now - but I don't have the new entries show up in my timeline 09:08 cait i switched out the spaces for tabs, but no change 09:09 cait it ends with Francesca 09:10 fridolin hie all 09:10 magnuse cait: on a gitified setup? 09:10 magnuse bonjour fridolin 09:10 cait nope standard 09:10 cait well dev with git 09:10 magnuse weird 09:10 cait magnuse: can you check on yours? 09:10 fridolin bonjour magnuse 09:12 cait hi fridolin 09:12 fridolin hie cait 09:14 magnuse cait: ok 09:14 cait hm changing the file doesn't seem to have an effect 09:14 cait i am puzzled 09:14 cait is there some step in between that i am missing? 09:15 magnuse cait: before the patch, my timeline ends with Nicolas Legrand 09:16 cait and after it#s ok? 09:17 cait if imake changes to the file it's not reflected in my timeline 09:18 cait oh ... maybe 09:19 magnuse cait: nope, after applying the patch i still see Nicolas Legrand as the last new dev 09:19 cait gah. 09:19 cait so ours are both stuck 09:19 cait rangi: any idea maybe? 09:21 cait i wonder if looks at the right file 09:21 magnuse i'm on a gitified instance, that might be confusing things? 09:21 cait minee is not andstill stuck 09:21 cait ah magnuse 09:21 cait try switching the spaces for tabs in the file 09:21 cait see if that makes a difference for you 09:21 rangi weird 09:21 nlegrand magnuse: what? 09:22 rangi nope no ideas 09:22 nlegrand magnuse: I don't know Go :) 09:23 nlegrand magnuse: ho I get it :) 09:23 mtj its the <docdir> location? 09:23 cait mtj: trying to put in a warn for tha tright now 09:23 mtj <docdir>/usr/share/doc/koha-common</docdir> 09:24 mtj ...perhaps your koha is looking there, for the history.txt file? 09:25 mtj /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt 09:26 magnuse yup, "$ sudo cp docs/history.txt /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt" and it looks good 09:27 magnuse that makes sense for a gitified setup, but not for a git/dev install, methinks 09:30 mtj yeah, i got caught out by it a while back, too 09:31 magnuse and i seem to remember there was a time when package installs refused to display the timeline 09:32 cait hmmm 09:32 cait /home/katrin/koha-dev/doc < that's my $docdir 09:33 cait i guess you have to copy the file over there 09:34 magnuse or do a "make upgrade" or something? 09:34 magnuse same as with changes to zebra config files 09:35 magnuse bbiab 11:04 Joubu Juhani around? 11:09 cait hm not sure he is on irc 11:13 Joubu cait: yep, I left a note 11:46 cait of course... i have to go to work and the thunderstorm hits 12:21 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 jcamins @later tell rangi You figured out how many countries contributors to 3.12 came from, I think, at my request. 12:25 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:37 magnuse you made it, cait? 12:38 cait yep 12:38 cait and at a good moment too 12:38 cait mostly dry :) 12:40 magnuse yay 13:30 tcohen morning #koha 13:30 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 13:30 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0°C (10:00 AM ART on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:38 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 13:38 magnuse @wunder boo 13:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:39 magnuse so there ;-) 13:40 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:40 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village Juniper Valley Park, Queens, New York is 23.4°C (9:40 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 13:40 jcamins Ugh. 13:43 pianohacker @wunder windsor, ct 13:43 huginn pianohacker: The current temperature in Loomis Chaffee School, Windsor, Connecticut is 22.9°C (9:30 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 13:44 * cait waves to pianohacker 13:44 cait pianohacker: you seem more around lately - nice :) 13:45 pianohacker cait: yup indeed! now that I'm officially done with my bachelor's degree as of last friday, I'm on a more even schedule 13:45 cait nice :) 13:45 pianohacker then back to school in the fall but details 13:46 magnuse summer++ 13:49 pianohacker indeed 13:56 * magnuse is looking forward to 7 weeks of paternity leave 14:31 vfernandes hi ;) 14:31 vfernandes i proud to announce that 3.16 is fully translated to portuguese... 14:31 pianohacker woo! 14:31 pianohacker vfernandes++ 14:32 vfernandes 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 and 3.16 fully translated ;) 14:32 nengard :) 14:32 cait vfernandes++ :) 14:32 vfernandes now one question: 3.16.1 will be released when? 14:33 cait hm i think it is already on the way 14:33 cait gmcharlt: ping? 14:33 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-about-Reading-Railroad-Books/dp/0448421658 14:33 * oleonard would like to fix Bug 12468 by punching in the face whoever decided that putting the copyright symbol into MARC was a good idea 14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12468 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , copyright symbol not translating right 14:33 cait oleonard: sounds like a good solution to me :) 14:34 cait oleonard: not sure why it created problems... probably because they didn't use the utf-8 char for that? (i just guess there must be one) 14:36 nengard agreed oleonard 14:41 tcohen oleonard++ 14:57 tcohen debian squeeze iso? 14:58 gmcharlt @quote random 14:58 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #284: "<cait> you won't suggest cataloguing our bugs in MARC... right?" (added by gmcharlt at 06:40 PM, November 27, 2013) 15:03 cait :) 15:04 cait gmcharlt: vfernandes had asked about the release date for 3.16.1 15:04 gmcharlt cait: vfernandes: I will be cutting 3.16.1 tomorrow morning 15:04 cait i have one more bug cou miyhg tant to soncider 15:05 gmcharlt ok 15:05 cait bug 12454 15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Can't add new patron categories 15:05 cait oh, maybe it's not a probelm in 3.16 15:05 cait right, i remember now - forget i asked :) 15:05 gmcharlt no, it's not 15:06 cait all good 15:06 reiveune bye 15:07 pianohacker gmcharlt: Any chance for http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 ? Have talked to eythian about the relevant packaging difficulties 15:07 huginn 04Bug 12393: normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail 15:07 gmcharlt and he said what? 15:09 pianohacker gmcharlt: He grumbled but said he could cut a separate 3.16 package for the overdrive dependencies 15:09 gmcharlt works for me 15:12 vfernandes thanks gmcharlt for the feedback :) 15:15 pianohacker gmcharlt: cool, thanks 15:17 tcohen go argentina :-D http://snag.gy/bnhbW.jpg 15:18 cait no grey hairs from being RM yet? :) 15:20 tcohen not yet :-D still a happy guy 15:20 tcohen the guys bought me the official t-shirt for my birthday 15:23 cait :) 15:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b161b5bbe09d80197906aa049080607852066d9> / Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=effb64f7f2e48f5cf87e39699bd93c5448160da5> / Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search <http://git.koha-comm 15:45 gaetan_B bye ! 16:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #24: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/24/ 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search 16:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search 16:27 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts 16:27 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user 16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11715 is not accessible. 16:39 jcamins pianohacker: I saw this and thought of you: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ 16:41 drojf is it just me or is it impossible to run nagios/icinga on the same server as koha? some permission stuff seems to go berzerk with apache2-mpm-itk 16:42 cait drojf: no idea and hi :) 16:42 drojf hi cait :) 16:42 drojf and :( ^^ 16:48 jcamins @time boulder, co 16:48 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:52 pianohacker there are some amazing gems in there jcamins 16:53 jcamins You know, I should just keep a world map with timezones above my monitor. 16:54 pianohacker that would be a very useful plugin for the bot though 16:55 jcamins I have enough trouble remembering what time it is in California, much less Colorado. 16:56 pianohacker yeah... I thought I had it down between Germany, Colorado, the East and West Coasts and New Zealand 16:56 pianohacker then I came to CT for business and woke up my gf in Seattle at 5 in the morning with a text 16:57 jcamins I don't even pretend to have it straight. 18:05 * oleonard wonders why he received a "sandbox is not ready!" message after trying to set up a sandbox 18:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 18:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/5/ 18:37 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.16.01 release 18:44 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 18:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 18:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #25: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/25/ 19:50 tcohen +bye #koha 20:28 jburds_ Is someone from Bywater able to call me on Ticket 20022. We are frozen. 22:24 eythian wahanui: (╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» is <reply>┳â”┳ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) 22:24 wahanui OK, eythian. 22:24 eythian also, hi 22:27 cait hi eythian 22:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 22:57 pianohacker (╯°□°）╯︵ â”»â”â”» 22:57 wahanui ┳â”┳ ノ( ã‚œ-゜ノ) 22:57 pianohacker love it 23:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/6/ 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add the test of DelUniqueDebarment 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: the subroutine 'ok' is replaced by the subroutine 'is' 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add new tests of DelUniqueDebarment 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12416 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , DelUniqueDebarment (Debarments.pm) is not tested in Borrower_Debarments.t 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jesse Weaver: Bug 12393 - Depend on SSL module for LWP, for OverDrive 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12086 - Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12086: qa-followup: remove warning on launching unit tests 23:22 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12350 - disable apache indexes 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12393 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Stable , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 - barcode scanner clicking 'save' 23:22 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 [QA Followup] - Use noEnterSubmit instead of new keypress handler 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12086 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Disable apache indexes on package installation by default 23:22 jenkins_koha * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12427: adding unit tests of module C4::Members::Attributes.pm 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12427: Allow execution of UTs on a DB with issues 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11292 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , barcode scanner clicking 'save' 23:22 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 9093 - 008 forgetting what material type was chosen 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12427 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , C4::Members::Attributes.pm needs unit tests 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search 23:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9093 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , 008 forgetting what material type was chosen 23:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11715 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 search page does not check authorization 23:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts 23:22 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user 23:49 tcohen night 23:58 * dcook reads scrollback and tries to imagine oleonard punching someone in the face