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01:01 tcohen night #koha
01:31 tcohen @wunder quito, ecuador
01:31 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Yanahuaico, Quito, Ecuador is 14.1°C (8:30 PM ECT on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising).
01:33 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
01:33 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (11:00 AM EST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
01:33 dcook Hm, maybe I should go outside...
01:33 dcook hi btw :)
01:34 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
01:35 tcohen hi dcook
01:37 tcohen i need internet to work flawlessly in the hotel, right now
01:37 tcohen is it too much to ask?
01:40 tcohen eythian: i liked your email on the packages
01:40 eythian cool
01:40 tcohen 1 question about it:
01:41 tcohen if it was possible to force koha-common-3.14 -> koha-common-3.16 once 3.14 reaches EOL
01:41 eythian not that I know of
01:41 tcohen something like a stub package that pulls the koha-common-3.16 dependency
01:41 eythian not without having another package above it that controls that dependency
01:42 tcohen hypothetically
01:42 eythian so you could have 'koha-stable' that causes it to change.
01:43 tcohen i was thinking it might be possible to have koha-common-3.14 be replaced by a stub package that pulls the next one or something like that
01:43 eythian Hmm. I suppose you could. But then anyone who wants to keep 3.14 would be forced to upgrade, which defeats part of the purpose.
01:44 tcohen i see it as a point of balance
01:44 tcohen between forcing the early upgrade, and keeping the old version that reached EOL
01:45 eythian If I were going that route, I'd probably have packages that depend on the current appropriate series, and have them do the upgrading.
01:47 tcohen interesting
01:47 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
01:47 tcohen looks like what i was thinking of should need three levels, right?
01:48 tcohen koha-3.14 being a meta package depending on koha-common-3.14
01:48 eythian probably yeah, something like that.
01:49 tcohen and we should finally make koha-common-3.14 have a dialog for setting a single instance
01:50 eythian Hmm. At the least I'd like to have it configure koha-sites.conf, but it's possibly worth having it optionally walk through creating an instance.
01:51 tcohen ahhh
01:51 * tcohen agrees on setting koha-sites.conf
01:53 tcohen eythian, btw has there been any discussion (at the beginning) on having sort of "instance registry" file for tracking instance creation parameters?
01:54 eythian how do you mean?
01:54 tcohen think of a json/yaml file where the maintenance/update scripts can take a look for making the right decisions
01:54 eythian though, regardless of what you mean, I think the answer is no :)
01:54 eythian ah, I see.
01:54 eythian No, but I think it would be a good idea.
01:57 * tcohen will try some ecuatorian beer right now, with the hope internet will be usable when he's back
01:58 eythian :)
02:07 pianohacker A vim plugin, of all things, leads me to ask if parentheses around the condition in a one-line conditional ('print "hi" if ( $hello )') are common convention
02:09 eythian I don't tend to do it.
02:10 eythian but I definitely have done it.
02:10 pianohacker Our perltidyrc doesn't do put them there... interesting. You see thm in all sorts of examples, always thought they were mandatory
02:11 eythian only mandatory on the convential if form.
02:11 pianohacker never a dull moment when you earn your daily bread from the perl parser
02:12 eythian heh
02:13 jcamins pianohacker: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596001735.do
02:14 pianohacker I do need to read that.
02:14 jcamins I think it might actually be available online, though I'm not sure.
02:14 pianohacker looks like there's a $30 PDF download, worthwhile investment
02:15 eythian It's worth reading, however read it critically.
02:15 eythian Also, skip the part on OO, I've been told.
02:16 jcamins I read the entire thing.
02:16 jcamins In one ear, out the other.
02:17 pianohacker eythian: by the way, I had a conversation with galen about the lwp thing. He mentioned that it was probably a good idea to not introduce a Depends in a minor version, and would prefer to have a koha-overdrive-perl-deps package for the 3.16 cycle
02:18 pianohacker would that be a possibility
02:18 pianohacker ?
02:18 eythian pianohacker: yeahh....
02:18 eythian I'd probably put it in as a recommends.
02:18 pianohacker sorry to be the bearer of work :/
02:18 eythian and then in 3.18 move it to work normally.
02:19 eythian if it's a recommends it shouldn't cause problems.
02:22 tcohen logo?
02:22 wahanui logo is included in the tm I believe
02:25 tcohen is there a repository with banners and logos for presentations?
02:25 eythian I thought I saw something on the wiki once
02:25 rangi yep
02:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/The_Koha_Logo_:_Origins_and_Explanation you can get the logo there as an svg
02:26 rangi (down the bottom)
02:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_logo_design
02:27 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Koha-logo-black-and-white.jpg i mostly use this one
02:28 tcohen thanks rangi and eythian
02:34 tcohen I f*ing love inkscape
04:02 irma g'day all
04:02 irma I wonder if funding has been secured for "Koha Development Opportunity : Display of images in OPAC from multiple sources"
04:02 irma as i am thinking about posting it on the kohaOZ elist
04:03 tcohen hi irma
04:03 irma hi tcohen :-)
04:07 eythian irma: see kathryn's followup post from this morning.
04:07 eythian (short answer is "yes" :)
04:07 irma tcohen are you designing a Kohacon2014 logo?
04:07 tcohen i'm not
04:08 tcohen there's other people on that
04:08 irma a team gets more work done :-)
04:08 tcohen i'm "selling" Koha to ecuatorian universities and public institutions tomorrow and am preparing my presentation
04:08 tcohen :-D
04:09 irma tcohen you might like to add http://library.rijksmuseum.nl/
04:09 tcohen "selling" meaning convincing them to move open source and create an ecuatorian community
04:09 tcohen i wont add it
04:09 irma tcohen yep ... I understand ... and lots of "reassuring"
04:09 tcohen i'mjealous
04:09 tcohen :-P
04:10 tcohen (kidding of course, it looks impresive!)
04:10 irma tcohen Hope you win someone over tomorrow! Go Koha!
04:10 tcohen their main concern is the long term
04:11 tcohen which we have covered :-D
04:11 irma Go tcohen!
04:12 tcohen Go Koha!
04:12 tcohen :-D
04:18 irma eythian ++ thanks for the heads up....ah yes ... this is good news ... let's hope it will make it to koha 3.18
04:18 eythian irma: rangi was working on it today, making good progress.
04:18 irma *into
04:19 irma cool
04:48 pianohacker question for any catalogers around. If a record doesn't have a title, where should it appear in a title-sorted set of records?
04:49 pianohacker dcook: if you're around, would like to poke your brain on this :)
04:50 tcohen kohacon13 group photo?
04:53 eythian pianohacker: I think Koha considered 245$a to be mandatory, so I guess it shouldn't appear :)
04:54 pianohacker eythian: fair enough :) this is applying to z39.50 search, though, so expanding the question to other fields that could be blank?
04:56 * dcook perks up
04:57 dcook That's a good question.
04:57 dcook I don't think I've ever catalogued anything without a title of some kind
04:57 dcook Why doesn't it have a title?
04:57 pianohacker Say the question, then, is sorting records by author
04:57 dcook I'm thinking maybe it has a 240 instead of a 245?
04:57 pianohacker Or that
04:58 dcook Hmm..
04:58 dcook I imagine the answer would be to sort if by the 1xx entry
04:58 eythian I'm totally stuck on how to approach this browse search interface in a sane manner. I can do it in a way that involves fetching all the values to the code that generates it, but that has a real potential of being slow.
04:58 dcook sort it*
04:58 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice day/night
04:58 dcook laterz tcohen
04:59 tcohen goodbyezz
04:59 pianohacker dcook: Right. Suppose you can't find an author-like field for a record, though. (And this is Z39.50 searching, so it's beyond your control.) Would you put those empty-authored records at the end or beginning?
04:59 pianohacker bye tcohen
04:59 pianohacker heh
05:01 dcook pianohacker: Dang. No title and no author? :p
05:02 dcook Well, I think most automated sorters would probably put it at the beginning...but I think it might make more functional sense to put it at the end.
05:02 pianohacker dcook: Let me fill you in on what I'm doing, my question might be less nonsensical then :) I'm working on a metasearch backend for Rancor, and trying to add sorting
05:02 dcook Right-o
05:02 * dcook seems to recall the demo at Kohacon13 :)
05:02 pianohacker this unfortunately has to be done by the metasearch backend, target-side sorting seems to be inconsistent
05:02 pianohacker (reimplementing on my own what pazpar2 formerly did)
05:03 pianohacker so I fetch 100 records from each target then sort all the results from the targets together
05:03 pianohacker (currently, for a proof of concept, by title)
05:07 dcook Sounds good to me
05:08 pianohacker dcook: thus my question. I like your answer, though, makes sense that if you're sorting by a field things without that field are probably useless to you
05:09 dcook I would think so
05:09 dcook I noticed the other day that some Z39.50 results I was getting back didn't have titles...
05:09 dcook And were sorted to the top
05:09 dcook They annoyed me as they weren't useful for my test but I wonder why they didn't have titles..
05:10 * dcook does a quick check while balancing the other things he's doing because why not :D
05:10 dcook Hmm can't remember which db now..
05:11 dcook Hmm, would require a restore and I'm using that db..
05:11 dcook pianohacker: So not entirely sure on that one, alas :/
05:11 dcook How hard would it be to make it configurable?
05:11 pianohacker no worries, thanks anyway
05:12 dcook Even if only configurable in a backend sense (i.e. easy to change later :P)
05:12 pianohacker the latter is a good idea.
05:31 pianohacker hi ashimema!
05:33 ashimema Hi pianohacker
05:33 pianohacker how's it going?
05:33 ashimema Not bad, bloody busy at the mo, but generally not bad
05:33 ashimema How's you?
05:34 ashimema I've made a date with cait to go through shib next week.. Promising
05:35 ashimema How's rancor coming along
05:36 pianohacker ashimema: glad to hear. Rancor is coming along fairly well, had to write a new Z39.50 search backend to replace pazpar2 (thus why I'm working at this hour), but otherwise slowly getting polished :)
05:40 pianohacker ashimema: what's keeping you busy?
05:55 pianohacker hi cait
05:58 cait hi
05:58 wahanui niihau, cait
06:07 ashimema Got a few koha projects going on, but actually most of my time has been spent on another product of late
06:07 ashimema Been rewriting a php mess in perl
06:08 ashimema Oh, shame you've had to move away from pazpar2, what was wrong with it?
06:14 ashimema Back.. Connection comes and goes allot this morning
06:14 ashimema Did I kiss anywything pianohacker
06:14 ashimema Lol.. s/kiss/miss/
06:15 pianohacker oh jeez. have fun with that PHP. And don't go kissin' no zebras
06:15 ashimema s/anywything/anything/
06:15 ashimema :-P
06:16 pianohacker [off] there were frequent segfaults, major bugs, poor documentation, an awkward API and it is a pain to deploy
06:16 ashimema So yeah, what went wrong with pazpar.. It'll be nice to rip out that dependency.. But hopefully its not left you with too much work
06:16 pianohacker [off] I was fine with it being confusing and painful because it worked, but then it stopped working
06:16 ashimema Ouch..hard to deploy is one thing.. But segfaults.. That really isn't good
06:18 pianohacker [off] tried to QA it on cait's machine, and it would segfault under the exact same conditions that it would work on my computer (and hers, randomly, the next day). It's been segfaulting in some test environments we've been working on. It's just developed from a useful specialized tool into a nightmare
06:19 ashimema Oh dear.. So are you using another library for z.. Or having to build your own.
06:20 ashimema I've not found any others myself
06:20 pianohacker Using YAZ, seems to be working well enough
06:22 ashimema Cool, well we've been using yaz allot for years.. Things its somewhat better maintained. Though the docs are still pretty incomprehensible
06:22 pianohacker Yeah, though only to the level that most anything having to deal with Z39.50 is :)
06:23 ashimema True, Z itself is pretty incomprehsible
06:44 reiveune hello
06:45 pianohacker hi reiveune
06:56 gaetan_B hello
06:56 pianohacker hello, gaetan_B
06:56 wahanui hello, gaetan_B is looking at bug 9059 because of another problem i noticed, i want to ask you what you think :
06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9059 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, CLOSED FIXED, Increase size of opac-sendbasket window
06:57 alex_a bonjour
06:58 fridolin hie all
07:00 gaetan_B hi pianohacker how are you doing ?
07:00 pianohacker gaetan_B: good, just working late. How are you?
07:00 gaetan_B good :) the day is only starting here
07:02 * magnuse waves
07:02 magnuse @wunder boo
07:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
07:02 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 22.8°C (9:02 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:02 magnuse :-)
07:06 pianohacker marseille++
07:16 magnuse hehe
07:24 Joubu Does someone use CAS? It seems the CAS auth does not work on master, see bug 12398.
07:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12398 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , CAS authentication not working
08:02 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:02 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.2°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:02 cait hm guess it will be just as warm as yesterday today :(
08:06 magnuse cait: we have nice temps up here :-)
08:06 cait too warm here for my taste :)
08:06 cait we had a thunderstorm last night, but it doesn't look like it did much
08:27 drojf hi #koha
08:31 magnuse hiya drojf
08:33 drojf hei magnuse :)
08:36 cait hi drojf :)
08:36 drojf hi cait :)
08:44 magnuse woohoo, Viktor got his first patch in!
08:45 cait :)
08:46 magnuse hm, doing a git pull on master now gives me an error related to MM-OPAC/bug_11169
08:46 magnuse anyone else seen that?
08:47 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git pull on master" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37
08:47 Joubu magnuse: yes, 2 days ago. You can launch the suggested git command
08:50 magnuse Joubu: thanks, that did indeed solve it
08:58 magnuse bug 11401 introduces some new perl module dependencies - does it make sense to list them as "not required" in PerlDependencies.pm, since the functionality will only be used by norwegian libraries?
08:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card
09:00 Joubu magnuse: Yes, I think so. What is the deps?
09:07 magnuse SOAP::Lite, Crypt::GCrypt, Convert::BaseN
09:09 magnuse ...and Test::DBIx::Class
09:13 cait hm the last one... looks generally useful somehow :)
09:18 magnuse yeah, might make sense to require that
09:22 magnuse any tips on how to set the min_ver for new dependencies?
09:22 cait hm not sure
09:22 cait maybe the version that is in debian if that's what worked for yu?
09:23 magnuse guess i'm not even sure how to tell the versions i have installed...
09:23 magnuse i have tested on ubuntu, so far
09:24 magnuse ah, i can use "About Koha" to check the versions :-)
09:28 cait reminder: today is dev meeting!
09:30 magnuse yeah, at dinnertime...
09:34 drojf when is it?
09:35 drojf (and why is it not in the topic?^^)
09:35 cait because i couldn't figure out the right command to make that work when i tried yesterday
09:35 drojf what about /topic ? :)
09:35 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014
09:36 cait oh
09:36 drojf :)
09:36 cait it worked.
09:36 cait :)
09:36 drojf 15 utc is 13 for us?
09:36 cait i think 17:00
09:36 drojf oh no 17
09:36 cait look at the links
09:36 drojf right
09:37 magnuse cait++
09:37 magnuse and 22 is midnight
09:38 cait yep
09:38 cait i will run out early form the first one
09:38 cait spanish lessons, but should be there for 45 mins or so
09:44 magnuse gah, looks like Convert::BaseN and Test::DBIx::Class are not packaged for debian
10:09 kivilahtio http://www.karjalainen.fi/uutiset/uutis-alueet/kotimaa/item/50968-ohjelmavirhe-kiusasi-kirjastoa-ja-asiakkaita-sahkopostilaatikkoon-jopa-tuhat-turhaa-viestia
10:09 kivilahtio its a bit in finnish
10:09 kivilahtio but still :)
10:11 cait hopefully not about the email scandal?
10:11 cait :)
10:12 kivilahtio exactly about the email scandal
10:12 cait oh noes
10:12 cait is it very bad?
10:12 kivilahtio maybe I am a bit crazy but I don't feel too bad about it
10:12 kivilahtio it might be because I am in such a shock still
10:12 cait poor kivilahtio :(
10:13 kivilahtio I havent really been out in the circulation area
10:13 kivilahtio but its not bad where i sit in
10:14 paxed with the room door closed and locked?
10:14 cait heh
10:14 kivilahtio unfortunately it is open
10:14 kivilahtio and all kinds of people walk in and out constantly
10:14 cait i am sorry you ran into that... but kinda glad we didn't
10:14 kivilahtio :)
10:15 cait ... that's a bit mean probably *sends cookies*
10:15 kivilahtio somebody needs to take the hit
10:15 kivilahtio now and then
10:15 kivilahtio and we are piloting so...
10:16 cait i hope it's the last problem like this you run into
10:20 Joubu kivilahtio: hum, or maybe it could be a good opportunity to ask for funding a rewrite of notifications... ;)
10:21 * cait waves at Joubu
10:21 cait will you be around this afternoon maybe
10:21 cait ?
10:21 cait i hope i have time to give the patron generaion script a try :)
10:22 Joubu cait: yes, of course
10:22 cait cool :) ok, have to run out for a bit, bbl
10:22 Joubu ok, see you
10:22 cait Joubu: can you be around for the dev meeting today? the first one
10:22 cait ?
10:23 Joubu cait: yes, I will try
10:23 cait nice :)
10:23 kivilahtio Joubu: I think the notifications system works quite well? Albeit a BIT hard to modify apparently :)
10:23 cait gone now :)
10:24 Joubu kivilahtio: unfortunately, there is no unit tests :-/
10:25 kivilahtio propably unit tests wouldn't have caught that issue
10:25 kivilahtio it is a hard to test issue anyway
10:26 Joubu kivilahtio: no, this issue would have been avoided with good unit tests. Or at least won't appear in the future...
10:27 kivilahtio well if you have good unit tests...
10:27 kivilahtio last I checked unit tests are a pain
10:53 cait kivilahtio: it depends on the area but thy don't have to be
10:54 cait i think the db_dependent ones are not too bad to write now
10:55 * cait is back :)
11:54 cait Joubu++ :)
12:15 cait hi khall :)
12:15 cait khall: could you take a look at your patches still in the needs sign off queue? some have comments with quesions
12:18 talljoy morning
12:20 oleonard Hi everyone
12:22 cait hi oleonard :)
12:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:29 cait Joubu: trying your script now :)
12:29 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.5°C (2:25 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
12:30 cait Joubu: quie ugly borrowers :)
12:31 * cait creates 2000 borrowers
12:37 cait ah
12:37 cait the meeting is not today... but tomorrow
12:37 cait no it's today... i am just confused because we hada holiday on monday
12:38 magnuse lol
12:38 oleonard We need a meeting reminder bot
12:39 magnuse both on irc and the mailinglist(s)
12:39 magnuse hourly emails to all koha lists ;-)
12:40 oleonard Also a bot that do all my work all the time forever
12:40 drojf ou know it's a meeting when the emails stop. perfect!
12:40 drojf *you
12:47 cait ok, sent a reminder
12:47 oleonard cait++
12:47 cait hope without too many mistakes
12:48 Joubu cait: yes, it is ugly... But it is the easier way I found :)
12:48 * oleonard realizes he hasn't even opened his email yet this morning
12:48 cait Joubu: i don't mind the ugliness :)
12:50 cait Joubu: i probably won't finish today before i have to run out again... but i am back on testing
12:53 cait oleonard: how many patrons does your library have int he database?
12:54 oleonard 43178 (although not all are active patrons)
12:54 cait oleonard: oh that's a lot
12:54 cait i am upping mine to 10.000 now
12:55 cait i am testing bug9811
12:55 cait bug 9811
12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements
12:56 cait Joubu: you around still?
12:56 Joubu cait: 125k in one of our bigger customer's DB.
12:56 cait there is something weird
12:56 cait the cardnumber does show up as 0 for the added patrons
12:57 cait but if I go to the record, they have a cardnumber
12:57 cait WfijQd.c.vhVedGT
12:57 cait for example
12:57 cait my older patrons have numeric cardnumbers that show up nicely it seems - could you take a look at that?
12:57 * magnuse created this script for generating borrowers many moons ago: https://github.com/Libriotech/LibrioTools/blob/master/sim/patrons.pl
12:57 * magnuse needs some fresh air
12:59 Joubu cait: I didn't understand, sorry
12:59 cait give me a sec, i will explain again :)
13:00 cait Joubu: it will only display numeric cardnumbers - but cardnumbers can be alphanumeric
13:00 cait i just checked: when the cardnumber is 123456 it displays, when it's one of the strings you generated or any string that is, it shows 0 instead
13:02 Joubu cait: ok, reproduced.
13:02 cait I have to run in a few minuts, I will add a new comment to the bug in 10 mins
13:04 Joubu I added that in the sql query CAST(borrowers.cardnumber AS UNSIGNED) AS cardnumber
13:04 Joubu I don't know why :-/
13:06 Joubu cait: patch sent.
13:06 cait now you were faster than me :)
13:08 cait much better now :)
13:13 cait Joubu: i am not sure about keeping the 'all' for the numer of results
13:14 cait i seems to make my browser almost crash with about 8000 patrons now
13:14 Joubu what do you suggest ?
13:14 Joubu 100 is not enought
13:15 cait not sure... more making a note
13:15 Joubu Actually there is a regression if the "all" is not possible.
13:15 cait maybe it's ok... and a trianing question
13:15 cait ah ok
13:15 Joubu with master, it is possible to add "all patrons" to a list
13:15 cait we will keep it, it's not blocking really, just trying out a few mean things :)
13:16 cait i have a tiny thing: Branch in the filters should be labelled: library :)
13:17 Joubu khall: thank you for you new patch on bug 10612. It looks much more better and consistent
13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool
13:18 Joubu your*
13:21 Joubu cait: k, fixed
13:21 cait lol
13:21 cait i just wanted to add my notes!
13:21 Joubu ok sorry :) I wait for the note!
13:22 cait have to run - my bus leaves in 6 mins
13:22 cait bye all
13:22 Joubu cait: bye
13:26 francharb good morning #koha
13:40 bgkriegel Hi
14:33 * cait waves from the bookstore cafe :)
14:41 cait @wunder Konstanz
14:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.8°C (4:40 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
14:43 Joubu Does someone can explain me why the location is not displayed on this screen : http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=d for the second record
14:44 Joubu Actually, I know why, looking at the code. If the "not for loan" is set, the location is not displayed. But I don't understand why
14:47 * cait takes a look
14:47 cait what's the password joubu?
14:47 Joubu cait: test/test
14:48 Joubu cait: if I remove the "not for loan" (set it to blank) for the item of the second record and reindex zebra, the location disappears and I get nothing in the location cell
14:48 cait i think i have to pass
14:48 cait it doesn't seem logical
14:49 cait you mean location/ branch?
14:50 cait are we talking about the missing item frm liberty that is not listed?
14:50 * cait might be a bit confused :)
14:51 Joubu cait: http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=d
14:51 Joubu there are 2 results
14:51 Joubu for the second one, the "location" column is empty
14:51 cait yes, the first one is also looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty
14:51 wahanui okay, cait.
14:51 cait and that doesn't show either
14:52 Joubu hum yes, I didn't notice that...
14:52 Joubu so 2 bugs ? :-/
14:53 Joubu cait: no, the "liberty" item is in transit
14:54 Joubu I suppose it is why it is not listed
14:54 cait this page is really confusing
14:55 cait i think i'd like to see a summary of the holdiings at all branches looking at that, but it seems to have some rules about what it shows
14:55 * cait better stays away from it
14:55 cait :)
14:56 gmcharlt good morning
14:57 cait hi gmcharlt :)
15:00 gmcharlt #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1
15:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 11 15:00:13 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1'
15:00 gmcharlt #info Agenda is wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014
15:00 gmcharlt #topic Introductions
15:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:00 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
15:00 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI
15:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
15:00 phasefx #info Jason Etheridge, ESI
15:01 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
15:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:01 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Cordoba, Argentina
15:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
15:02 gmcharlt ok, thanks
15:03 gmcharlt tcohen is not here, so I'll skip the RM 3.18 update
15:03 gmcharlt #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially
15:03 gmcharlt so, we have a proposal to update the coding guidelines to officially deprecate the prog theme
15:03 gmcharlt and by extension, CCSR
15:04 cait ah yes, good point, also ccsr :)
15:04 cait I think we already decided that we will do it, but we should also add a note to the coding guidelines
15:04 cait and maybe we should decide when we will remove the files?
15:05 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed wording" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39
15:05 cait +1 #wording
15:05 slef it'll take me a mo to open that
15:06 gmcharlt cait: IMO, ASAP
15:06 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
15:06 gmcharlt and no new patches meant for master should touch those two themes
15:07 Joubu yes, I completely agree. Actually I think it is already the case.
15:07 slef welding seems OK
15:07 cait gmcharlt: I think the sooner the better too - it will help enforcing the coding guideline :)
15:07 gmcharlt Joubu: yeah, folks have already started with updating only Bootstrap
15:07 gmcharlt doesn't hurt to make it official
15:07 gmcharlt OK, any further comments on the wording before we vote?
15:08 cait I think by maintaining the coding guidelines better we make it easier for new developers not falling into traps
15:08 mtompset +1 # agreed on the nice wording
15:08 cait also people that have been out for a while or are not hanging around in irc all the time :)
15:08 gmcharlt *gasp*
15:08 Joubu There is a problem with the votes on paste.k-c.org, they won't be accessible in the future
15:08 gmcharlt is that possible?!?!?
15:08 gmcharlt ;)
15:08 Joubu But maybe should we c/p on the wiki after the meeting
15:08 gmcharlt Joubu: I'll update the wiki ASAP tonight, assume that the change is approved
15:09 Joubu +1
15:09 bgkriegel +1
15:09 slef 0
15:09 cait gmcharlt: keep the paste safe somewhere? just in case rangi restarts the server
15:10 thd +0.5
15:10 gmcharlt #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain
15:10 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
15:10 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:10 gmcharlt (note the paste.lisp.org version, which won't expire)
15:10 gmcharlt #vote Yes
15:10 oleonard #vote Yes
15:10 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, lurking ^^
15:11 Joubu #vote Yes
15:11 slef #vote abstain
15:11 bgkriegel #vote Yes
15:11 drojf #vote Yes
15:11 thd #vote Yes
15:11 phasefx #vote abstain
15:11 cait #vote yes
15:12 cait is it case sensitive?
15:12 cait #vote Yes
15:12 gmcharlt I don't think it is
15:12 * oleonard jails cait for voting twice
15:12 cait only the last vote counts - i read the instructions :)
15:12 thd #comment Do not like outsourcing to a project created by Twitter.
15:13 drojf we do that in europe ^^
15:13 * gmcharlt rouses the Chicago zombie electorate
15:15 gmcharlt thd: it's licensed under the Apache License, and there's been no serious proposal to make any other way of having a responsive theme
15:15 gmcharlt one minute warning for closing the vote
15:16 gmcharlt #endvote
15:16 huginn Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are
15:16 huginn Yes (7): Joubu, cait, oleonard, gmcharlt, bgkriegel, thd, drojf
15:16 huginn Abstain (2): phasefx, slef
15:17 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes
15:17 thd gmcharlt: Yes, I know. I am not claiming a necessarily better alternatiive would be easily produced.
15:18 gmcharlt #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944
15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
15:18 mtompset oleonard: She voted on my behalf? ;)
15:18 gmcharlt so where I'm at personally with this is I'm spending the next 1.5 weeks reviewing the patches
15:19 gmcharlt and working on some search issues that Joubu identified
15:19 Joubu \o/
15:19 cait :)
15:19 Joubu gmcharlt++
15:19 cait Joubu++ and gmcharlt++
15:19 gmcharlt my goal is to (1) get it ready for signoff by the end of the month
15:19 cait let us know if there is help needed testing
15:19 cait i really want to see this patch series go in soon... and then we can move on to the next big problem :)
15:19 gmcharlt and schedule a GBSD in early July for as an opportunity for folks to run it throug its paces
15:20 gmcharlt at some point, I will be calling for volunteers (possibly including ESI) to host a test database or two
15:20 gmcharlt Joubu: and apropos of that, as far as the sandboxes are concerned, I anticipate at least one addition that may be relevant
15:21 Joubu gmcharlt: I can add the patches on 1 or 2 sandboxes. But I don't have a good DB to test
15:21 gmcharlt specifically, changing the default collation used by Koha MySQL database to utf8_unicode_ci
15:22 gmcharlt Joubu: see the last couple comments in bug 11811 for context on that
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV
15:22 Joubu gmcharlt: ok, I note that
15:22 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt to review the patches and ready theme for signoff by end of June
15:23 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt to schedule a GBSD in early July for general testing
15:23 Joubu #action Joubu change the default collation to utf8_unicode_ci on sandboxes
15:23 thd *++
15:23 Joubu #action Joubu take a look at bug 11811
15:24 cait :)
15:24 gmcharlt any other comments on the UTF8 stuff before we move on?
15:25 bgkriegel possibility to backport to 3.16, 3.14...? (when it's ready)
15:25 Joubu I think we are close to have a good utf8 support into Koha :)
15:25 gmcharlt bgkriegel: maybe; I'm not sure at the moment
15:26 Joubu bgkriegel: outch...
15:26 bgkriegel Ok
15:26 thd Joubu: Yes, except that some of the problem is a regression from where we had already been.
15:27 mtompset Has any testing been added to prevent this type of regression again?
15:27 gmcharlt mtompset: I think you can rest assure that I'm not going to sign off without making sure that there's sufficient regressions tests
15:28 * cait likes regression tests :)
15:28 Joubu Currently there is no tests
15:28 thd Joubu: We will have good UTF-8 support when UTF-8 is the native character encoding for the multiverse.
15:28 mtompset And that was the problem. :)
15:28 gmcharlt Joubu: indeed; I fully expect to write a bunch
15:28 Joubu But look at the patches
15:28 mtompset Good to hear it will be rectified.
15:28 Joubu when you look at the code after the patches, you understand it is the way to do
15:29 cait i think it will put us in a cleaner state of things hopefully
15:29 Joubu the code is much more easy, no decode/encode everywhere
15:29 Joubu and the unit tests are not easy to write since the problem does not exist in a specific routine
15:30 gmcharlt nonetheless, /me will write tests :)
15:30 gmcharlt ok, moving on
15:30 gmcharlt #topic Big stuff we are working on
15:30 gmcharlt so, to get us started
15:31 gmcharlt Joubu: what big stuff is BibLibre working on nowadays?
15:31 Joubu Hum, not really. We have some big stuffs, already submitted on bz
15:32 Joubu we plan to rewrite the ACQ vat/gst management
15:32 Joubu Laurence wrote a rfc, in french at the moment
15:32 Joubu no code will be written without communication and feedback on this rfc
15:33 gmcharlt is there a link to the French version of the RFC?
15:33 Joubu no
15:33 cait Joubu: cool :) it would be good i think to get some different countries involved, i think france and germany are probably similar
15:34 cait but i seem to remember that nz/hlt had some different expectations
15:34 cait would be good to get this settled and have everyone on the same page on how it shoudl work
15:35 Joubu yes, that why we need to communicate before writing any code
15:35 Joubu Same in Italy with talljoy
15:35 Joubu And I really need to see the batch modification for biblios (and all fixes for marc modification template) tested. It a very big work, very powerful. And that fixes critical problems with the existing feature.
15:35 thd cait: NZ/HLT had standard expectations which were not different to what anyone anywhere who actually worked in a real world acquisitions process would expect.
15:35 mtompset bug report number, Joubu?
15:36 cait thd: i didn't mean to imply that their expectations weren't correct
15:36 talljoy did i transport to italy?
15:36 talljoy i wish i was in italy....
15:36 talljoy :-)
15:36 cait i think it just works differently in different countries - and it's good to communicate
15:36 cait so we don't miss something important redoing it
15:36 Joubu bugs 11413, 11319 and 11395
15:36 gmcharlt and that includes hearing from the folks actually involved
15:36 gmcharlt fortunately, that's why we have a second part of this meeting :)
15:37 thd cait: rangi had once implied in error that NZ had special expectations which were not in fact special.
15:37 Joubu talljoy: Sorry, I think you were Zeno :)
15:37 talljoy :-D
15:38 gmcharlt thd: I think we can wait for rangi to provide input directly
15:38 cait Joubu: thx a lot for taking this on :)
15:38 thd gmcharlt: I am merely identifying the issue historically as a reminder.
15:39 mtompset 11395 looks like something I may try to get around to testing.
15:39 Joubu The RFC looks complex, so I think all cases are possibles :)
15:39 gmcharlt #info A project to revamp tax calculation in acquisitions is being considered by BibLibre; an RFC will be published
15:39 gmcharlt ok, any other big projects?
15:40 Joubu mtompset: yes, bug 11395 is the sexy one. The others one are important too, they fixes some important issues
15:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for records
15:40 thd Joubu: I believe that BibLibre would not be proposing something counter to what rangi had once identified as how acquisitions would be expected to work in NZ.
15:41 cait so other big projects? :)
15:41 Joubu gmcharlt: I think the column configuration for tables should be pushed soon, in order to adapt enough table before the 3.18 release
15:41 thd Joubu: If you consult with people who do a real world acquisitions job, even without computer automation you will avoid going astray :)
15:42 Joubu bug 10212
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables
15:42 cait Joubu: i am currently working through the patron search improvements, i hope to tackle that next (if noone else is faster :) )
15:42 gmcharlt thd: and I think that point needs to be emphasized - we need folks who are *actually* dealing with the relevant tax processes in each country to provide input directly
15:42 gmcharlt with as few proxies as possible
15:42 gmcharlt Joubu: I'll take a look
15:43 Joubu thd: not sure to understand. rangi is starting to develop something?
15:44 thd Joubu: no, my comment merely refers to what had been a problem with some development from long ago.
15:44 Joubu I think the discussion around a gst rewrite could be started after we will suggest a rfc
15:44 gmcharlt agreed
15:44 thd Joubu: My comment was historical.
15:45 thd gmcharlt++
15:45 Joubu the idea is not to break anything, just understand the code. I develop the multi VAT management, I don't understand anything at the code... And I'm sorry about that.
15:45 Joubu my first big dev on Koha...
15:45 cait :)
15:46 cait always remember quote 123... it#s hard to keep up with libraries and their ideas :)
15:46 gmcharlt @quote get 123
15:46 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
15:46 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:46 Joubu :)
15:46 gmcharlt ok, moving on
15:46 gmcharlt re action items from the previosu meeting
15:46 Joubu nobody else has "big stuffs" ?
15:47 gmcharlt basically, they concerned the UTF8 stuff and are underway
15:47 thd Joubu: If you understand the task that the code performs or should perform even without understanding the existing code, then you are way ahead :)
15:47 mtompset Actually...
15:47 cait bag khall ping
15:47 mtompset I don't have a project I'm working on... but what about the random test failure problem because of hashes?
15:47 cait i have to leave - bye all :)
15:48 mtompset Bye, cait.
15:48 gmcharlt mtompset: tcohen and I have been kicking it around
15:48 gmcharlt nothing to reprot yet, but soonish hopefully
15:48 mtompset Okay. Just thought I'd ask about it. :)
15:48 Joubu I QAed a patch this morning about random hashes
15:49 Joubu bug 12343
15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order
15:50 gmcharlt Joubu++
15:50 Joubu mtompset: Is it the same thing you are talking about?
15:50 gmcharlt different one, with QueryParser
15:50 Joubu Ho yes! I forgot that
15:50 mtompset No, I was thinking the QueryParser one.
15:50 Joubu I had a look but looks quite complex
15:52 gmcharlt as far as setting the next meeting time is concerned, I propose that we punt that to koha-devel for a time when tcohen is back home
15:52 Joubu yep
15:53 gmcharlt ok
15:53 gmcharlt thanks, everybody
15:54 gmcharlt #endmeeting
15:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 15:54:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:54 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.html
15:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.txt
15:54 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1.2014-06-11-15.00.log.html
15:54 Joubu For information, Yohann started to write patches :) see bug 12406
15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12406 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , Adding a column maxsuspensiondays in the table issuingrules breaks the UT t/db_dependent/Circulation_Issuingrule.t
15:55 Joubu He has fixed a bug I introduced. An intern is very useful :p
15:55 gmcharlt heh
15:56 thd Joubu: Was it rangi's patch for bug #12343 which you were testing?
15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order
15:58 Joubu thd: there is not patch from rangi on 12343
15:59 thd Joubu: Oh, I see now that maybe rangi was also testing.
16:00 thd Joubu, Is the patch working by sorting on the keys using the standard alphanumeric sort function?
16:00 Joubu thd: yes
16:01 Joubu Have to leave. Bye all
16:01 thd Joubu: While that would be a great improvement on random it would still be wrong.
16:01 thd Joubu: I will comment on the bug later.
16:40 reiveune bye
18:49 mtompset gmcharlt: I prefer using the shorter URL -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
20:55 cbrannon Anyone here familiar with the Koha sandboxes?
20:56 cait where ar you stuck?
20:57 cbrannon If I am loading a patch and it throws up errors, do I just post the error in the bugzilla ticket, or do I set to Failed QA?
20:57 cait hm
20:57 cait it depends a bit on the error
20:57 cait pasting it is ok
20:57 cait i think i would put patch does not apply
20:57 cait it's another status
20:58 cbrannon I run into this once in a while, but never knew exactly what to do. I'll do that status. Thanks. :)
21:59 gmcharlt meeting in one minute
22:00 * cait gets ready
22:01 gmcharlt #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2
22:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 11 22:01:03 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
22:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
22:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2'
22:01 gmcharlt #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014
22:01 gmcharlt #topic Introductions
22:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
22:01 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, ESI
22:01 eythian_ #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ
22:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
22:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
22:03 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst NZ
22:03 * thd is merely semi-present
22:04 gmcharlt ok
22:04 gmcharlt in tcohen's absence, we'll skip the RM 3.18 update
22:04 gmcharlt #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially
22:04 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ
22:04 gmcharlt #info Current proposal for wording in the coding guidelines: (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855
22:05 gmcharlt this was voted on in the first meet
22:05 gmcharlt ing
22:05 gmcharlt any questions, comments, or other feedback before we vote on it here?
22:06 wizzyrea besides, "good riddance?"
22:06 gmcharlt (no! we must keep at the historical dead things!)
22:06 gmcharlt ;)
22:07 gmcharlt #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain
22:07 huginn Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
22:07 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
22:07 eythian_ #vote yes
22:07 cait i was at the first meeting, so I won't vote again
22:07 wizzyrea #vote yes
22:07 rangi #vote yes
22:07 thd wizzyrea: The grass is always greener elsewhere until you have discovered all the difficulties of digesting especially green grass :)
22:08 mtompset #vote yes.
22:08 huginn mtompset: yes. is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain.
22:08 mtompset #vote yes
22:08 wizzyrea that grass is pretty much dead.
22:08 mtompset (since I didn't get inthe first meeting. ;) )
22:08 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
22:08 gmcharlt one minute too vote closing
22:08 * thd already voted yes with concerns about even free software projects originating at Twitter.
22:10 gmcharlt #endvote
22:10 huginn Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are
22:10 huginn Yes (4): eythian_, wizzyrea, rangi, mtompset
22:10 gmcharlt #agreed the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes
22:11 gmcharlt #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944
22:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
22:11 gmcharlt #info (from part 1) gmcharlt has action items to review patches and redy them for signoff by end of June
22:12 gmcharlt #info also action item to schedule a GBSD dedicated to it in early July
22:12 gmcharlt #info Joubu has action item to look at bug 11811 and look at adjusting on or more sandboxes to use the utf8_unicode_ci collation in their mysql databases
22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV
22:12 gmcharlt needless to say, anybody else who wants to join in patch review is very much welcome to
22:14 gmcharlt any comments before we move on?
22:14 cait apart from patch review i think there are some remaining problems
22:15 rangi ?
22:15 cait hm, trying to phrase that better
22:15 thd cait: Do you mean problems within the scope of the bug but out of scope for the existing patches?
22:15 cait there are some known issues still that need to be solved in the patch series
22:16 gmcharlt right, Joubu had identified a couple issues in the bug that he wants some help writing patches for
22:16 gmcharlt I'll undertake them as part of my review, but again, more eyes welecome
22:16 cait yes, thx gmcharlt
22:16 gmcharlt welcome, even
22:16 cait and thx again for working on those :)
22:16 thd *++
22:17 gmcharlt ok, moving on
22:17 gmcharlt #topic Big stuff we are working on
22:17 gmcharlt #info BibLibre is working on an RFC for revamping how taxes are handled in acquisitions
22:17 wizzyrea biblibre++
22:18 rangi im working on the mulitple bookcovers dev, that you would have seen kathryns email about, its not that big, should have something to submit in a couple of weeks
22:18 gmcharlt since the IRS's grand scheme to TAX THE WHOLE WORLD is not quite complete... feedback from everybody is essential
22:18 gmcharlt to ensure that the outcome works well enough for everybody
22:18 thd Did I understand that the BibLibre acquisitions RFC is awaiting more work before publishing it in English?
22:19 * eythian is no longer busmeeting.
22:19 gmcharlt that's my understanding
22:19 gmcharlt or at the very least, they're working on translating it
22:20 gmcharlt #info rangi is working on support for multiple sources of book covers
22:20 gmcharlt eythian: how is ES coming along?
22:21 eythian gmcharlt: quite well. Implementing all that's on the advanced search page is almost done (availability is slightly tricky for unexciting reasons.)
22:21 eythian Still figuring out how to do the browse interface stuff, but have some leads on that.
22:21 gmcharlt cool
22:21 gmcharlt any other projecst?
22:21 eythian I'm hoping to put patches up for testing reasonably soon
22:21 thd rangi: Do you mean multiple live sources?
22:21 pianohacker Oh right dev meeting
22:21 eythian very alpha testing.
22:22 wizzyrea defining availability has always been a question.
22:22 thd rangi: Or is there a bug blocking the use of stored images for book covers?
22:23 pianohacker Have rancor updates
22:23 gmcharlt pianohacker: go for it
22:23 rangi thd: multiple sources including local covers, but with fallback
22:23 rangi so you define the order, and it tries them until it gets one that has an image (or fails on all)
22:23 pianohacker Rancor has several bugfixes and a new metasearch backend that does not depend on pazpar2
22:23 wizzyrea oooo
22:24 cait pianohacker: what are you using instead?
22:24 pianohacker Needs to be refactored a bit, and the results have to be refetched for each page load, but it supports sorting and pagination
22:24 pianohacker Also needs relevance ranking at some point
22:25 pianohacker cait: Just ZOOM, all of the record fetching and sorting is done in Koha now
22:25 pianohacker seems to be about the same speed as pazpar2, and works more consistently
22:25 cait is that an option for opac too?
22:26 pianohacker cait: Possibly :)
22:26 pianohacker guessing you're thinking for bug 10486?
22:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
22:26 cait of course :)
22:27 gmcharlt #info prog/CCSR deprecation now the HTML5 guideline: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML5:_Deprecation_of_the_.27prog.27_and_.27CCSR.27_OPAC_themes
22:27 pianohacker I'd definitely want some kind of results caching before I put it on an OPAC, and I'm not sure of the best way to do that
22:27 gmcharlt pianohacker: time for you to investigate Koha::Cache
22:28 eythian especially my new+improved version (I can't remember if it's in master yet or not)
22:28 pianohacker gmcharlt: That was my thought, my major question was value size limits, though
22:28 eythian oh, it's not it needs someone to poke bug 12041
22:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Improve Koha::Cache
22:30 pianohacker If I do the straightforward thing and shove the entire result set in as a MARC blob, it comes out to roughly 250 KB for the 100-record fetch I'm currently doing. This only really works for Memcached, though, and if servers send back a ton of huge records my impression is that the key storage silently fails
22:30 pianohacker Not a terrible thing but I was curious if there's a better way
22:31 eythian probablyu worth describing it in detail on a koha-devel post
22:31 eythian get more eyes that way
22:31 gmcharlt yeah
22:31 pianohacker Seems like a good idea
22:31 gmcharlt any other topics?
22:32 eythian yeah
22:32 rangi i have a couple that id like to run past people, not strictly dev, but related
22:32 rangi first there is
22:32 rangi http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/
22:32 eythian just a note that there's a series of plack patches around that people could look at if they want something to do.
22:32 eythian For staff client plack support.
22:33 thd Can the result set records be quickly stored in some temporary database storage if the result set is unexpectedly large but not egregiously large.
22:33 cait i think we have some areas were testing/qa gets into a bottleneck
22:33 eythian Some are in master now, but there are some that aren't.
22:33 cait sip, caching, ldap
22:33 thd ?
22:33 cait so if someone feels able to test in that areas, please go for it
22:33 pianohacker thd: that's a possibility
22:34 eythian cait: perhaps someone who knows them should write up testing guides on the wiki?
22:34 cait well not me then... i have done a bit of sip, but no ldap and caching so far :(
22:34 cait i'd like to use one of those tesitng guides
22:35 eythian caching is actually pretty easy, ldap is less so.
22:35 cait rangi: reading
22:35 gmcharlt rangi: the VALS SoC looks interesting; my main comment is that if we want to do it, we should line up several commitments for mentors first
22:35 rangi yep
22:35 cait it sounds interesting
22:37 gmcharlt rangi: and the other thing you wanted to bring up?
22:37 rangi ah yep
22:37 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/40
22:37 rangi really really rough draft
22:37 rangi for
22:38 rangi https://linux.conf.au/miniconf-cfp
22:38 gmcharlt #info rangi mentioned the VALS summer of code (http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2014/05/23/vals-semester-of-code-foss-projects-wanted/) as a possible project for Koha to cnosider
22:38 rangi but if it does get accepted i will be trying to get some people from koha to be speakers
22:38 rangi as well as evergreen, islandora, et al
22:39 cait cool
22:39 eythian so if anyone feels like a trip to wherever the next LCA is... :)
22:39 rangi auckland nz
22:39 gmcharlt #info rangi is proposing a cultural hertiage and FLOSS miniconference for the lca2015 in Auckland (https://linux.conf.au/)
22:40 cait oooh...
22:40 eythian oh, that's boring
22:40 wizzyrea way not as cool as wellington.
22:40 gmcharlt heh
22:40 wizzyrea HAR
22:40 wizzyrea :)
22:40 cait true
22:40 pianohacker eythian: couple small questions about the new Koha::Cache module after da meeting
22:40 eythian sure
22:41 gmcharlt thanks, rangi
22:42 rangi thats all i have
22:42 gmcharlt regarding setting a date for the next meeting, I suggest we wait for when tcohen is back home
22:42 rangi sounds good
22:43 gmcharlt ok
22:43 gmcharlt thanks everybody
22:43 gmcharlt #endmeeting
22:43 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 22:43:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:43 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.html
22:43 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.txt
22:43 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2.2014-06-11-22.01.log.html
22:44 cait gmcharlt++
22:44 wizzyrea thanks gmcharlt
22:46 pianohacker eythian: my two questions were: a) if fastmmap isn't an option due to not supporting expiry, are we removing it permanently? and b) out of curiosity, why the switch to Cache::Memcached?
22:47 eythian pianohacker: iirc, I removed it from the default options, but you can still request it yourself if you're OK with managing it.
22:48 eythian b) I don't think there was a switch to Cache::Memcached
22:48 eythian make sure you're looking at the latest patches
22:49 eythian I think I used it originally because it supported something I wanted to support, but turned out not to be UTF-8 clean.
22:49 eythian so switched back and implemented the support for the other thing (default expiry, IIRC) myself.
22:51 eythian brb, getting breakfast
22:55 eythian b
23:02 cait quick brakfast - coffee?
23:02 cait good night all
23:03 pianohacker eythian: ahh, missed that that was a regex. Makes sense :)
23:09 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.