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23:59 rangi i like my system76
23:57 pianohacker hey, lazyweb, I'm unexpectedly in the market to replace my quickly degrading laptop. Any recommendations off the top of your head?
23:40 eythian you could spend more than a weekend in Wellington no problem. Surely you can find some business reason to get flown over here on a Wednesday or so, back on the Monday-ish. :)
23:38 eythian A friend of mine has just signed the lease on a building to build another one.
23:36 dcook Plus, if you can hit 2 breweries per stone throw...
23:36 dcook I suppose a person could do a weekend, yet...I've never been to NZ so I'd want to take longer and don't have any more leave this year :(
23:36 eythian seems reasonable.
23:35 dcook eythian: I'm thinking I need to visit Wellington...
23:34 dcook It's a bit late but +1 for code of conduct
22:54 pianohacker nice
22:54 eythian Also, we grow hops not too far from this area, so there's a lot of big hoppy *PAs too.
22:53 eythian yeah, definitely.
22:51 pianohacker weird flavor at first but there's so much variety
22:51 eythian but belgians and saisons are among the favourites.
22:51 eythian pretty much everything that's not a lager.
22:50 pianohacker I'm a big fan of stouts, saisons and wheats
22:49 pianohacker what kinds do you enjoy?
22:49 eythian *one
22:49 eythian (on day...)
22:49 eythian No, just drink.
22:49 pianohacker you brew?
22:48 pianohacker acetate could have been a part of that, yeah
22:48 eythian well, acetate comes from fermenting too hot, so that might be it, and the flavour combines with something else badly.
22:48 pianohacker yeah, their yeast might have went off on some crazy tangent, no idea, but it was terrible
22:47 eythian though, that's more banana rather than rotten banana peel.
22:47 eythian too much isoamyl acetate?
22:46 * pianohacker grunts as the knife is twisted deeper
22:46 pianohacker except for this one nearby that makes this... thing with an aftertaste of rotten banana peel
22:46 eythian It goes well with custard twists.
22:45 pianohacker I love local beer
22:45 eythian Wellington has now almost reached the point where if you throw a stone, you're likely to hit two breweries, rather than just one.
22:44 pianohacker oh man...
22:44 eythian Now you really should move.
22:43 eythian You only have one?
22:43 pianohacker I'll just keep crying into my microbrew
22:43 pianohacker hahaha
22:43 eythian I'd move if I were you.
22:43 eythian Sounds like a pretty deprived area you're in.
22:42 pianohacker don't think any of the nearby bakeries, have them, at least
22:41 pianohacker hahahahahaha
22:41 eythian Antarctica?
22:41 eythian where on earth do you live?
22:41 eythian you...don't have them?
22:40 pianohacker oh my god
22:40 rangi like the lemon twist, but with custard not lemon
22:39 rangi http://www.brooklyn.co.nz/pastries.html
22:39 rangi fast work
22:38 rangi mtj_++
22:38 pianohacker I don't know what that is but it sounds wonderful
22:38 rangi right time to go to the bakery for a custard twist
22:38 mtj_ ...and thank you rangi :)
22:37 bgkriegel rangi++
22:36 rangi thanks all
22:36 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting.2014-06-03-22.05.log.html
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22:36 rangi #endmeeting
22:36 rangi the next meeting can unagree that if they want :)
22:36 rangi #agreed next general meeting 2 July 22 UTC and 3 July 15 UTC
22:36 rangi right
22:35 rangi +1
22:35 bgkriegel +1
22:34 mtj_ +1 for me
22:34 pianohacker sounds good
22:34 rangi 22 UTC and 15 UTC
22:33 rangi same times
22:33 rangi how about july 2nd and 3rd
22:32 pianohacker nothing for general meeting
22:31 rangi #topic date and time of next meeting
22:31 mtj_ #action decide next GBSD at jun-11 dev meeting
22:31 nengard Everyone here wants it on the record that they said Hi
22:30 rangi ok anyone have anything else before we move on to setting the time/date for the next one?
22:29 rangi thats a good idea
22:29 pianohacker should we wait until the dev meeting on the 11th?
22:29 rangi hmm ill leave that for the 2nd meeting, for magnuse to decide :)
22:29 mtj_ decide on a GBSD?
22:28 mtj_ http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_21_May_2014
22:28 * mtj_ looks...
22:27 rangi anyone want to correct me?
22:27 rangi afaik there are none
22:26 nengard #info 30+ California Librarians in Training
22:26 rangi #topic actions from the last meeting
22:26 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions
22:25 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ
22:25 rangi #action mtj_ is going to repost the call for conference organisers for kohacon15
22:25 pianohacker hi nengard :)
22:25 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, nengard
22:25 nengard Awesome!
22:25 eythian hi
22:25 rangi hi nengard (we are in meeting mode at the moment)
22:25 mtj_ yep, will do
22:25 nengard Hi everyone I'm in CA teaching a new Koha library - say hi
22:25 rangi mtj_: would you be able to dig out thd's original mail and repost it?
22:25 mtj_ perhaps just repost thd's email again?
22:24 mtj_ yeah, sounds like a good idea
22:23 rangi we should do another post to the list?
22:23 rangi perhaps since the mailing list was playing up a bit last month
22:22 rangi I see that there is a proposal from Nigeria, and an expression of interest from Zambia so far
22:22 rangi #topic kohacon15
22:22 rangi ok
22:22 bgkriegel yes, thanks
22:22 bgkriegel :)
22:22 rangi please let us know if there is anything we can do to help
22:22 bgkriegel but there are time still
22:21 rangi cool
22:21 rangi thats a good start
22:21 bgkriegel not the exact number, four or five
22:20 rangi have you had many people submit presentations?
22:20 bgkriegel but for now all is right
22:20 bgkriegel and looking sponsors
22:20 bgkriegel heh
22:19 rangi i can order a beer, thats about the limit of my spanish im afraid
22:19 rangi ahhh
22:19 bgkriegel we are looking for translators (to english) for some spanish presentations
22:18 bgkriegel asked tcohen about how many have registered so far
22:18 bgkriegel Well, we have a meeting this morning, all seems right
22:18 bgkriegel Hehe
22:18 rangi just in time bgkriegel :)
22:17 rangi #topic Kohacon14
22:17 mtj_ hi all :)
22:17 mtj_ #info Mason James, New Zeeland
22:17 bgkriegel +1 of course
22:16 rangi hi bgkriegel we are just finishing registering our support for a code of conduct
22:16 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina
22:15 rangi :)
22:15 rangi (the next next meeting)
22:15 rangi we'll see what happens at the next meeting, then maybe post it on the wiki as a draft and perhaps vote on it next meeting
22:14 jcamins +1
22:14 pianohacker +1
22:14 gmcharlt +1
22:14 rangi +1 #for a code of conduct
22:14 gmcharlt a code of conduct has value even if it never gets invoked
22:14 rangi im guessing some more discussion will take place that the next meeting, but id like to do a
22:13 rangi i fully expect us to not have to enact it, but if we need to, its too late to create one then :)
22:13 * jcamins thought that there was a code of conduct already, but it would seem not.
22:12 rangi that have solidified my desire anyway
22:12 rangi there have been some recent events
22:12 pianohacker okay, makes sense
22:12 rangi I dont think we can vote on this yet, but there seems to be growing consensus, including from the conference organisers that this is a good idea
22:12 pianohacker I like the idea, but was this inspired by anything specific?
22:12 rangi #link http://paste.koha-community.org/24
22:11 rangi #topic Code of Conduct
22:11 rangi ok, moving on
22:11 rangi thanks
22:11 gmcharlt #info 3.16.1 will be released in mid-June; there will be some important bugfixes in it
22:10 rangi anything to report on 3.16?
22:10 gmcharlt yep
22:10 rangi i think you might be the only Rmaint around (if you are around)
22:10 rangi gmcharlt: are you about?
22:10 rangi #topic update on releases
22:09 rangi we'll take it :)
22:09 pianohacker 3.16 was released, don't know it that qualifies
22:08 rangi anything else?
22:08 rangi #info The NZ TM has been registered and is being held in trust by HLT
22:08 rangi #topic announcements
22:08 rangi ok, we can move through the agenda and the second meeting can fill in the gaps
22:07 rangi yay
22:07 rangi :)
22:07 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services (not absent after all)
22:07 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions
22:06 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
22:06 rangi #topic introductions
22:06 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ
22:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting'
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22:05 rangi #startmeeting General meeting
22:05 rangi ah well a good meeting is a fast meeting
22:05 pianohacker hi rangi :)
22:05 rangi heh, maybe im meeting by myself
22:04 rangi anyone want to chair or shall i?
22:04 wahanui meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
22:04 rangi hmm meeting time
21:48 * magnuse wanders off into the nightlight
21:47 magnuse it's early days yet, but it is the beginnings of something that will become really cool :-)
21:47 rangi i sure will
21:47 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:47 rangi ohh interesting
21:47 magnuse oh btw rangi, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria
21:46 rangi sweet
21:46 magnuse have fun #koha!
21:46 magnuse rangi: thanks, i'll submit all of it soon, hopefully this week, and see what happens :-)
21:45 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
21:45 cait night all
21:44 cait magnuse++ :)
21:43 magnuse yay :-)
21:41 rangi i think its ok
21:40 magnuse but mocking a "private" sub like that might be a cardinal sin or something...
21:39 rangi yep you sure can
21:39 magnuse $db->mock( _new_schema => sub { return Schema(); } );
21:39 magnuse my $db = Test::MockModule->new('Koha::Database');
21:39 magnuse i felt pretty clever when i realised i could do
21:38 magnuse rangi: if you have a moment, could you have a look and tell me if that looks completely bonkers?
21:38 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test all the (dbic) things!" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25
21:33 magnuse i usually forget anyway, and then do an extra --amend to add it
21:33 cait if that helps :)
21:33 cait ido passed qa stil
21:32 magnuse hehe, i might consider dropping it then :-)
21:32 pianohacker imo except for the patches that have gigantic test plans attached, I can usually tell pretty quick from the signoff on the bottom and the different username on bugzilla
21:30 rangi it doesnt hurt for you to do that, but you might be
21:29 magnuse hm, am i the only one still doing the [SIGNED-OFF] thing on patches?
21:29 magnuse rangi++
21:29 magnuse hlt++
21:27 cait rangi++ :)
21:26 rangi sending tcohen a pull request now
21:26 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/MM-OPAC
21:04 pianohacker New interface is fancy
21:04 pianohacker wow. Has anyone looked at openstreetmap lately?
20:58 pianohacker hlt++
20:58 pianohacker woo!
20:58 gmcharlt hlt++
20:52 jcamins hlt++
20:50 cait hlt++
20:49 cait wohoo!
20:49 rangi boo yah
20:49 rangi https://twitter.com/jransom/status/473928290504151040
20:48 cait thx for doing qa :)
20:48 gmcharlt er, cait
20:48 gmcharlt hi cat
20:47 cait hi gmcharlt
20:35 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
20:35 gmcharlt @later tell tcohen I'll be looking at search tomorrow
20:34 jcamins And I would like to repeat myself over again.
20:32 jcamins Entered apologies and entered a +1 on the code of conduct.
20:29 cait and i think i amrunning out of things to deprecate :)
20:29 cait i forgot to deprecate something this time... ah wrong meeting anyway
20:29 cait :)
20:28 rangi added to the agenda
20:28 cait hm i think I won't make the one tomorrow for sure, the conference is still running then
20:27 cait confusing :)
20:27 cait so the other one is tomorrow then?
20:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_3_and_4_June_2014
20:26 cait it was tooo early today
20:26 cait not sure i will make it that long
20:25 jcamins It is 20:24.
20:25 rangi yep 1.5 hours
20:24 rangi looking it up now
20:24 jcamins I have no idea.
20:24 jcamins What time is it?
20:24 cait now decide please :)
20:24 jcamins Hour and a half?
20:24 cait oh
20:24 jcamins cait: uhhh... half hour?
20:24 cait when?
20:24 cait ugh
20:24 cait it's to night?
20:24 cait oooh
20:23 rangi ill put it on the agenda
20:23 jcamins If you add it to the agenda, I will put my +1 on the wiki, since I won't be able to make the meeting tonight.
20:23 rangi yeah i cant see anyone having any objections
20:23 jcamins rangi: if not, we certainly should.
20:22 cait maybe something for th enext irc meeting?
20:22 cait hm I don't think we formally did
20:22 rangi but i cant recall us doing that
20:22 rangi did we? that would be awesome
20:22 cait hm?
20:22 jcamins rangi: I thought we adopted a code of conduct?
20:20 rangi and i think copying http://evergreen-ils.org/code-of-conduct/ would be a very good start
20:20 rangi for koha events
20:19 rangi after all this dickish behaviour by well dicks, I think we probably should adopt a Code of Conduct
20:12 Dyrcona Afternoon, rangi. ;)
20:06 rangi morning
17:17 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
17:17 pianohacker @later tell oleonard Hey, quick question for ya. On line 1042 of staff-global.css, there's a rule to right-align table headers in dialogs. What was the reasoning behind that?
17:14 huginn pianohacker: oleonard was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 39 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <oleonard> Cookies usually help.
17:14 pianohacker @seen oleonard
17:08 magnuse for now, it's something petter hacks on when he has to wait for more data from their old ils, but it will get more attention when all the preparations for the migration is "done"
17:06 bag cool
17:05 magnuse bag: if you are interested in libraries and rdf, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria - it's early days yet, but it's a beginning
17:03 wahanui que tal, bag
17:03 bag magnuse: HI
16:26 wahanui bonjour, magnuse
16:26 magnuse bag: HI
16:17 fridolin see you all
16:15 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "QueryParser tests fail on Ubuntu 14.04 (presumably Perl 5.18)" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23
16:04 ashimema I'm getting 404's on them today when trying apt-get
16:04 tcohen ghyw
16:04 tcohen +lkntr
16:04 ashimema anyone here using the indexdata repo's?
15:52 gaetan_B bye!
15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Search performance improvements
15:46 tcohen gmcharlt jcamins: would you take a look at bug 12347
15:36 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.1°C (12:35 PM ART on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
15:36 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
15:35 tcohen morning
15:25 paxed ok, our little library project got just mentioned in national news.
15:13 reiveune bye
15:10 wahanui hey, bag
15:10 bag hello
14:19 talljoy sure
14:19 edveal talljoy can we skype real fast.
14:19 edveal About to head to day to of Musuem hill training.
13:22 pablito anyone have experience converting Dublin Core to MARC?
13:17 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 23.9°C (8:17 AM CDT on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
13:17 * paul_p at Koha 2014 symposium
13:17 druthb @wunder 77098
13:17 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Grenoble / St. Geoirs, France is 22.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
13:17 paul_p @wunder grenoble
13:03 magnuse w00t!
13:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 20.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:03 magnuse @wunder boo
12:55 magnuse yeah, be careful!
12:55 wahanui i think Search.pm is full of bees.
12:55 magnuse Search.pm?
12:50 Viktor I'll be careful :)
12:49 cait1 don't get lost
12:49 Viktor Thanks for the input guys!
12:49 cait1 have fun :)
12:49 Viktor I'll go stick my head in some code for a while :)
12:48 Viktor You are quite right. I'd like all three: learning to search without need for advanced search, cookies helping the back button stay working and advanced search actually keeping my settings.
12:47 cait1 just thouht it might be helpful to learn a bit more :)
12:47 cait1 you ar right about that :)
12:46 Viktor I do think that I could learn to ones I need most often. But for opac and partly in staff too I'd like advanced search to be a little friendly and not make me start over when :)
12:42 cait1 typing things like ti=something and au=someone
12:42 cait1 and how you can also do an expert search
12:42 cait1 maybe take a look at the manual - there is a chapter about search
12:42 cait1 if you are interested in searching
12:39 cait1 ashimema++
12:37 Viktor It seems passing idx or q to search gives simple search and all other cases advanced.
12:36 Viktor A different angle on the problem cait - but a good one too :)
12:34 oleonard Cookies usually help.
12:34 cait and then i think only a cookie might help
12:34 cait they do a search, get no results and then use the back button
12:34 cait which is what people do
12:34 cait i think the problem is that if you go back, the browser won't know
12:33 Viktor I'll poke around a bit with it but I'm more expecting to learn a little bit about search than actually getting anything done...
12:32 Viktor But even if you give search.pl a parameter to set normal/advanced mode you would have to create logic to pre fill all fields of advanced search. Which could be a bit of work if you added extra fields in the original search I guess.
12:31 Viktor I'm guessing that the fact that an empty search.pl URL gives advanced search is one piece of the puzzle.
12:31 ashimema us too
12:30 cait i had definitely libraries asking for that
12:30 cait yeah above mine too
12:30 cait maybe you need to ue a cookie for storing the settings instead
12:30 cait Viktor: i think using the back button you lose the url parameters
12:29 Viktor I created a bug for it (12356) but think it's a bit over my head.
12:28 Viktor Sort of glad to hear it's not just me cait. But was hoping there was something I just didn't get :)
12:27 cait Viktor: yes
12:24 Viktor Is anyone else annoyed to loose all settings of advanced search if it returns no results and having to start over?
12:21 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please.
12:21 Viktor Hi all!
12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:16 pablito does anyone here have some experience with OAI-PMH in Koha?
12:16 pablito hi all
11:53 * cait waves at magnuse :)
11:52 * magnuse waves to cait and paxed on their trains
11:44 * cait grumbles about cancelled trains? :)
11:43 * paxed grumbles something about faulty, broken railroad equipment
11:43 * paxed waves from a stationary train
11:42 * cait waves from the train
11:20 * magnuse does a little happydance
10:27 barton (day late and a dollar short)
10:27 barton thanks magnuse!
09:59 cait ...
09:59 cait but now air condition is broken
09:56 cait ben and jerry's icecream with peanut butter cups.
09:55 magnuse :-)
09:55 cait well.. it certainly cheered me up :)
09:55 magnuse *worthy
09:55 magnuse that is worty of an odyssey!
09:55 magnuse woohoo!
09:49 cait but... i fund a shop that sells peanut butter cups and one of the stations :)
09:49 cait my first train today got cancelled.. bit of an odyssey
09:49 cait hiya
09:49 magnuse hiya cait
09:45 cait hi #koha
09:05 * cait-m__ waves
08:53 magnuse welcome back barton
08:02 paxed patron goes and renews most of his books in opac. comes to library during the same day and checks out one book. the quick slip prints all of those books instead of just the one checked out today. blah!
08:02 paxed grmbl.
07:34 gaetan_B hello
07:33 fridolin bonjour magnuse, bonne journée à toi
07:32 magnuse bonjour fridolin
07:31 fridolin hie all
07:26 magnuse bonjour paul_p
07:24 paul_p hello world
07:13 pianohacker good night all
07:13 pianohacker I need to go to bed and beat on z39.50 in the morning
07:07 matts hello !
07:04 alex_a hello magnuse
07:04 magnuse bonjour alex_a et matts
06:50 wahanui what's up, alex_a
06:50 alex_a bonjour
06:39 reiveune salut magnuse dcook
06:39 magnuse hiya reiveune and ashimema
06:38 ashimema evening for those about to leave ;)
06:38 ashimema morning all
06:37 wahanui hello, reiveune
06:37 reiveune hello
06:34 dcook hey magnuse :)
06:31 * magnuse waves
06:26 dcook night
06:25 eythian later
06:25 eythian erk, that can be a tomorrow job, I have to leave now anyway.
06:24 eythian no, it's not that...
06:24 eythian causing a join to go a step too far
06:23 eythian ah, I think I have an undef leaking in somewhere.
06:20 dcook Although I find mine bizarre too
06:20 eythian heh
06:20 dcook I might the bizarre for your "and" though, eythian :p
06:19 * dcook wonders why a ° is screwing up his record...
06:19 dcook bizarre O_o
06:18 eythian where do all those 'and's come from...
06:18 eythian that's not going to work
06:17 eythian yeah nah
06:17 eythian 'query' => '(book) AND and (rose) AND and ()',
06:17 * dbs goes to enjoy sleep
06:17 eythian yay, I now have basic search back with elasticsearch. There's even a chance it'll now work with advanced search.
06:15 paxed dbs: thanks - i will. :-}
06:15 dbs eh, maybe in July
06:14 dcook dbs: Surely your summer vacation must be coming up as well?
06:13 dbs paxed: enjoy your vacation!
06:11 dcook Enjoy your summer :). I think it's finally turning into winter here...
06:10 paxed also, i'm off for summer vacay today, so i'm leaving it all on kivilahtio... may he have fun.
06:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12354 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Prevent reserving items based on item field values
06:06 paxed like, bug 12354 - which is currently on our system as hard-coded if-statements ...
06:06 dcook paxed: That's not too bad at all. I have at least half a dozen on my local tracker waiting to go up ;)
06:05 paxed dcook: i've still got about half a dozen bugs or other annoyances i should put up on the bugzilla
06:05 dcook eythian: Yeah, makes sense.
06:05 dcook paxed: Fingers crossed for you guys!
06:05 eythian yeah, archival standards
06:05 dcook eythian: In terms of archival standards or...?
06:02 eythian dcook: that's pretty much how ICA-AtoM works
06:02 paxed dcook: world didn't end, no, but it's touch and go ...
06:00 dcook Just like Koha presupposes library standards
06:00 dcook I suppose that might presuppose a certain amount of archival standards though
05:59 dcook I wonder sometimes how systems like ICA-AtoM are set up for that
05:59 dcook But yeah, specimen/sample collection...could be more detailed
05:59 dcook It's mostly title, physical description, and notes anyway
05:59 eythian yeah, we don't have them yet either, we're still at a speculation stage.
05:58 dcook Our toy folks also have books, so they just bend MARC to purpose with the toys
05:58 dcook Could be. I suppose it's tough to say without knowing the full requirements.
05:57 eythian maybe custom translations.
05:57 eythian Well, ideally it'd be just configuration changes on top of stock Koha.
05:56 dcook Of course, this all sounds like a bit of a maintenance nightmare, but it could probably be done
05:56 dcook But you could probably bend those to purpose as well
05:56 dcook MarcSubjects, MarcNotes
05:55 dcook Yep
05:55 dcook If you wanted to map particularly
05:55 dcook Ah, I guess you'd have to update your records.abs or your bib-blahblah.xml as well
05:55 eythian complications would come with things like the GetTitle function, but there's not many of them, and if you based your new framework around MARC21, it wouldn't be terrible.
05:54 * dcook would think
05:54 dcook Map your ccl to your bib-1 attributes in ccl.properties, change your template, and you're golden
05:54 dcook Well, in Zebra you have named indexes. Those should be matched to bib-1 attributes in bib1.att
05:53 * dcook ponders
05:53 dcook Not necessarily that hard to do that though..
05:53 eythian I find zebra to be pretty opaque when it comes to that sort of thing, mostly because I don't understand it very well.
05:53 dcook Although I suppose in either case you'd also have to change your search templates
05:52 dcook But if you're mapping to marc, you could probably do it with Zebra as well
05:52 eythian yeah
05:52 dcook I suppose mapping to marc could work, although those mappings would be pretty arbitrary, yeah?
05:52 eythian though in the future it'd be possible to put anything in there.
05:52 eythian My thinking about doing that sort of thing with ES is just to map everything to MARC when you index.
05:51 dcook Oh absolutely :)
05:51 eythian that is probably a much longer, harder road.
05:51 dcook Weren't we talking about a move to metadata independence anyway?
05:50 dcook Yeah, I was thinking something like Solr or Elasticsearch would make the indexing dead easy
05:49 eythian i.e. what fields map to what is easier to configure.
05:49 eythian Maybe elasticsearch will be near enough to ready by then, its indexing is database driven.
05:49 dcook as well*
05:49 dcook I wonder what might bust by not having a valid MARC blob a swell
05:48 eythian oh yeah, I forgot about that.
05:48 dcook What about indexing?
05:48 dcook I suppose in terms of data entry and display
05:47 dcook O_o
05:43 eythian Hmm, that's possibly similar, although I imagine in this case they'd need more extensive metadata. It seems to me that replacing the MARC framework, and replacing the XSLT should get it 99% of the way to their requirements.
05:36 dcook We have a library that tracks toys
05:36 * dcook definitely didn't read that as "specimen"
05:36 eythian anyone using Koha to track specimen/sample collections rather than bibliographic collections?
05:25 dcook I would've done it in uni but I lived with a lot of other students and someone had managed to get the whole IP address range blocked...
05:24 dcook Neato. I just edited Wikipedia for the first time ever...
05:18 mtj_ ...hope its all going smoothly, on your 1st day
05:18 dcook Oh yeah...world didn't end, paxed? ;)
05:18 dcook ^
05:18 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bddirectory.html
05:18 mtj_ hiya paxed, congrats on your koha go-live :)
05:15 paxed nvm
05:11 dcook paxed: Sorry?
05:10 paxed dcook: sounds like a typo (either a missing 0 or a 9)
05:07 eythian http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/integrate-android-kde-linux-desktop.html <-- that looks nifty (for what I assume is still in alpha.)
04:56 dcook Even though I think the MARC spec says that there are no length limits beyond the 99999 record length
04:55 dcook s/look it/like it/
04:55 dcook Hmm, appears that Yaz doesn't look it when you have a datafield longer than 9999 octets
04:50 eythian I think a lot of people assume that it means you can't sell it, but that's not at all clear.
04:49 wizzyrea he didn't have an answer because no one has ever challenged it.
04:49 wizzyrea can a for profit company ever use it, even if it doesn't directly make them money?
04:48 eythian Like, could you post it to your blog if your blog had ads?
04:48 eythian oh yeah, I remember a few years ago them trying to pin down what it meant
04:47 wizzyrea it turns out it means almost exactly what we think it does, and it's exactly as fuzzy as we think it is.
04:43 wizzyrea and what exactly it meant for people/companies
04:42 wizzyrea I actually had a go at the creative commons fella a year or so ago regarding NC
04:42 wizzyrea nc-nd is really restrictive
04:38 eythian though, BY-NC-ND is not my favourite license.
04:38 eythian http://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/2014/06/03/free-downloadable-images-from-te-papas-collections/
04:36 eythian ha ha
04:31 dcook Also, 'yaz-marcdump' is handy as
04:31 * dcook isn't sure that he wants this...this...whatever it is
04:31 dcook Oh sweet jesus...I actually understand how to read an ISO marc record now...
04:18 cait annual library conf this week
04:17 cait but the train won't wait for me to be awake i think
04:17 cait oh i agree
04:17 cait hi eythian
04:17 eythian a bit early don't you think
04:17 eythian hi cait
04:06 * cait waves
04:03 mtj_ hmm, now time for a coffee-run...
04:01 mtj_ hey jesse
03:58 pianohacker hi all
01:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list
01:53 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list
01:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1852: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1852/
01:50 wizzyrea spacelibrarian!
01:50 eythian I assume that "home" means like the ISS or something, it's the only thing that makes sense.
01:50 rangi oh hey its spacelibrarian!
01:40 mtj_ ta :)
01:39 eythian ah, that could be a problem. Yeah, I'd go for a cron job then
01:38 mtj_ you need a magic --event arg for mysqldump, afaik
01:37 eythian yeah. On the surface though it looks like the event stuff may work. I wonder if it persists database dumps.
01:37 mtj_ i might just go for an easy-peasy nightly cron
01:36 mtj_ which seemed a little brittle
01:36 mtj_ i had a google about, and didnt find much myself... other than mysql 'EVENT' stuff..
01:35 mtj_ ah, righto
01:34 eythian there's not really such thing, short of having a date field in them and either searching and deleting ones older than a certain time, or excluding them from SELECT queries.
01:34 mtj_ you mentioned something about it re: the carousel a few weeks ago..?
01:34 mtj_ hey eythian: do you know of a clever way to make rows delete/expire after a certain 'age', in mysql?
01:29 * dcook actually has no idea aside from the vote now
01:27 mtj_ ...with some recent vote to switch to systemd
01:27 dcook I think everything I've ever played with used sysv :S
01:27 mtj_ yeah, thats what i thought
01:26 eythian I'm not sure what it actually does use, might be plain old sysv
01:26 mtj_ aah :)
01:26 eythian It's not
01:25 mtj_ ...reading the scroll-back, i didnt know debian was even using upstart
01:24 dcook yo mtj_
01:24 dcook wizzyrea: Mmm, up and down, but up at the moment :)
01:23 wizzyrea hi mtj_ :)
01:22 mtj_ hiyas :0)
01:22 * mtj_ waves to wizzyrea, dcook, eythian
01:20 wizzyrea yeah I think so, how about you?
01:15 dcook Good busy?
01:14 wizzyrea well, busy :)
01:13 dcook How've you been?
01:13 dcook yo wizzyrea
01:13 * wizzyrea waves
00:19 eythian later
00:19 tcohen night #koha, really bad connectivity time (currently mobile)
00:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list
00:09 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list
00:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #662: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/662/
00:02 tcohen heh
00:02 tcohen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that
00:02 tcohen both Debian and Ubuntu are moving away from upstart, in favour of systemd
00:02 eythian Ubuntu is moving to systemd in the future, as is Debian. However they'll have SysV compatibility for a long long time I expect.
00:01 eythian dcook: We do, koha-common.