Time Nick Message 00:01 eythian dcook: We do, koha-common. 00:02 eythian Ubuntu is moving to systemd in the future, as is Debian. However they'll have SysV compatibility for a long long time I expect. 00:02 tcohen both Debian and Ubuntu are moving away from upstart, in favour of systemd 00:02 tcohen ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that 00:02 tcohen heh 00:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #662: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/662/ 00:09 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list 00:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list 00:19 tcohen night #koha, really bad connectivity time (currently mobile) 00:19 eythian later 01:13 * wizzyrea waves 01:13 dcook yo wizzyrea 01:13 dcook How've you been? 01:14 wizzyrea well, busy :) 01:15 dcook Good busy? 01:20 wizzyrea yeah I think so, how about you? 01:22 * mtj_ waves to wizzyrea, dcook, eythian 01:22 mtj_ hiyas :0) 01:23 wizzyrea hi mtj_ :) 01:24 dcook wizzyrea: Mmm, up and down, but up at the moment :) 01:24 dcook yo mtj_ 01:25 mtj_ ...reading the scroll-back, i didnt know debian was even using upstart 01:26 eythian It's not 01:26 mtj_ aah :) 01:26 eythian I'm not sure what it actually does use, might be plain old sysv 01:27 mtj_ yeah, thats what i thought 01:27 dcook I think everything I've ever played with used sysv :S 01:27 mtj_ ...with some recent vote to switch to systemd 01:29 * dcook actually has no idea aside from the vote now 01:34 mtj_ hey eythian: do you know of a clever way to make rows delete/expire after a certain 'age', in mysql? 01:34 mtj_ you mentioned something about it re: the carousel a few weeks ago..? 01:34 eythian there's not really such thing, short of having a date field in them and either searching and deleting ones older than a certain time, or excluding them from SELECT queries. 01:35 mtj_ ah, righto 01:36 mtj_ i had a google about, and didnt find much myself... other than mysql 'EVENT' stuff.. 01:36 mtj_ which seemed a little brittle 01:37 mtj_ i might just go for an easy-peasy nightly cron 01:37 eythian yeah. On the surface though it looks like the event stuff may work. I wonder if it persists database dumps. 01:38 mtj_ you need a magic --event arg for mysqldump, afaik 01:39 eythian ah, that could be a problem. Yeah, I'd go for a cron job then 01:40 mtj_ ta :) 01:50 rangi oh hey its spacelibrarian! 01:50 eythian I assume that "home" means like the ISS or something, it's the only thing that makes sense. 01:50 wizzyrea spacelibrarian! 01:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1852: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1852/ 01:53 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 12308 - show all title subfields on the holds list 01:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , show all title subfields on the holds list 03:58 pianohacker hi all 04:01 mtj_ hey jesse 04:03 mtj_ hmm, now time for a coffee-run... 04:06 * cait waves 04:17 eythian hi cait 04:17 eythian a bit early don't you think 04:17 cait hi eythian 04:17 cait oh i agree 04:17 cait but the train won't wait for me to be awake i think 04:18 cait annual library conf this week 04:31 dcook Oh sweet jesus...I actually understand how to read an ISO marc record now... 04:31 * dcook isn't sure that he wants this...this...whatever it is 04:31 dcook Also, 'yaz-marcdump' is handy as 04:36 eythian ha ha 04:38 eythian http://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/2014/06/03/free-downloadable-images-from-te-papas-collections/ 04:38 eythian though, BY-NC-ND is not my favourite license. 04:42 wizzyrea nc-nd is really restrictive 04:42 wizzyrea I actually had a go at the creative commons fella a year or so ago regarding NC 04:43 wizzyrea and what exactly it meant for people/companies 04:47 wizzyrea it turns out it means almost exactly what we think it does, and it's exactly as fuzzy as we think it is. 04:48 eythian oh yeah, I remember a few years ago them trying to pin down what it meant 04:48 eythian Like, could you post it to your blog if your blog had ads? 04:49 wizzyrea can a for profit company ever use it, even if it doesn't directly make them money? 04:49 wizzyrea he didn't have an answer because no one has ever challenged it. 04:50 eythian I think a lot of people assume that it means you can't sell it, but that's not at all clear. 04:55 dcook Hmm, appears that Yaz doesn't look it when you have a datafield longer than 9999 octets 04:55 dcook s/look it/like it/ 04:56 dcook Even though I think the MARC spec says that there are no length limits beyond the 99999 record length 05:07 eythian http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/integrate-android-kde-linux-desktop.html <-- that looks nifty (for what I assume is still in alpha.) 05:10 paxed dcook: sounds like a typo (either a missing 0 or a 9) 05:11 dcook paxed: Sorry? 05:15 paxed nvm 05:18 mtj_ hiya paxed, congrats on your koha go-live :) 05:18 dcook http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bddirectory.html 05:18 dcook ^ 05:18 dcook Oh yeah...world didn't end, paxed? ;) 05:18 mtj_ ...hope its all going smoothly, on your 1st day 05:24 dcook Neato. I just edited Wikipedia for the first time ever... 05:25 dcook I would've done it in uni but I lived with a lot of other students and someone had managed to get the whole IP address range blocked... 05:36 eythian anyone using Koha to track specimen/sample collections rather than bibliographic collections? 05:36 * dcook definitely didn't read that as "specimen" 05:36 dcook We have a library that tracks toys 05:43 eythian Hmm, that's possibly similar, although I imagine in this case they'd need more extensive metadata. It seems to me that replacing the MARC framework, and replacing the XSLT should get it 99% of the way to their requirements. 05:47 dcook O_o 05:48 dcook I suppose in terms of data entry and display 05:48 dcook What about indexing? 05:48 eythian oh yeah, I forgot about that. 05:49 dcook I wonder what might bust by not having a valid MARC blob a swell 05:49 dcook as well* 05:49 eythian Maybe elasticsearch will be near enough to ready by then, its indexing is database driven. 05:49 eythian i.e. what fields map to what is easier to configure. 05:50 dcook Yeah, I was thinking something like Solr or Elasticsearch would make the indexing dead easy 05:51 dcook Weren't we talking about a move to metadata independence anyway? 05:51 eythian that is probably a much longer, harder road. 05:51 dcook Oh absolutely :) 05:52 eythian My thinking about doing that sort of thing with ES is just to map everything to MARC when you index. 05:52 eythian though in the future it'd be possible to put anything in there. 05:52 dcook I suppose mapping to marc could work, although those mappings would be pretty arbitrary, yeah? 05:52 eythian yeah 05:52 dcook But if you're mapping to marc, you could probably do it with Zebra as well 05:53 dcook Although I suppose in either case you'd also have to change your search templates 05:53 eythian I find zebra to be pretty opaque when it comes to that sort of thing, mostly because I don't understand it very well. 05:53 dcook Not necessarily that hard to do that though.. 05:53 * dcook ponders 05:54 dcook Well, in Zebra you have named indexes. Those should be matched to bib-1 attributes in bib1.att 05:54 dcook Map your ccl to your bib-1 attributes in ccl.properties, change your template, and you're golden 05:54 * dcook would think 05:55 eythian complications would come with things like the GetTitle function, but there's not many of them, and if you based your new framework around MARC21, it wouldn't be terrible. 05:55 dcook Ah, I guess you'd have to update your records.abs or your bib-blahblah.xml as well 05:55 dcook If you wanted to map particularly 05:55 dcook Yep 05:56 dcook MarcSubjects, MarcNotes 05:56 dcook But you could probably bend those to purpose as well 05:56 dcook Of course, this all sounds like a bit of a maintenance nightmare, but it could probably be done 05:57 eythian Well, ideally it'd be just configuration changes on top of stock Koha. 05:57 eythian maybe custom translations. 05:58 dcook Could be. I suppose it's tough to say without knowing the full requirements. 05:58 dcook Our toy folks also have books, so they just bend MARC to purpose with the toys 05:59 eythian yeah, we don't have them yet either, we're still at a speculation stage. 05:59 dcook It's mostly title, physical description, and notes anyway 05:59 dcook But yeah, specimen/sample collection...could be more detailed 05:59 dcook I wonder sometimes how systems like ICA-AtoM are set up for that 06:00 dcook I suppose that might presuppose a certain amount of archival standards though 06:00 dcook Just like Koha presupposes library standards 06:02 paxed dcook: world didn't end, no, but it's touch and go ... 06:02 eythian dcook: that's pretty much how ICA-AtoM works 06:05 dcook eythian: In terms of archival standards or...? 06:05 eythian yeah, archival standards 06:05 dcook paxed: Fingers crossed for you guys! 06:05 dcook eythian: Yeah, makes sense. 06:05 paxed dcook: i've still got about half a dozen bugs or other annoyances i should put up on the bugzilla 06:06 dcook paxed: That's not too bad at all. I have at least half a dozen on my local tracker waiting to go up ;) 06:06 paxed like, bug 12354 - which is currently on our system as hard-coded if-statements ... 06:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12354 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Prevent reserving items based on item field values 06:10 paxed also, i'm off for summer vacay today, so i'm leaving it all on kivilahtio... may he have fun. 06:11 dcook Enjoy your summer :). I think it's finally turning into winter here... 06:13 dbs paxed: enjoy your vacation! 06:14 dcook dbs: Surely your summer vacation must be coming up as well? 06:15 dbs eh, maybe in July 06:15 paxed dbs: thanks - i will. :-} 06:17 eythian yay, I now have basic search back with elasticsearch. There's even a chance it'll now work with advanced search. 06:17 * dbs goes to enjoy sleep 06:17 eythian 'query' => '(book) AND and (rose) AND and ()', 06:17 eythian yeah nah 06:18 eythian that's not going to work 06:18 eythian where do all those 'and's come from... 06:19 dcook bizarre O_o 06:19 * dcook wonders why a ° is screwing up his record... 06:20 dcook I might the bizarre for your "and" though, eythian :p 06:20 eythian heh 06:20 dcook Although I find mine bizarre too 06:23 eythian ah, I think I have an undef leaking in somewhere. 06:24 eythian causing a join to go a step too far 06:24 eythian no, it's not that... 06:25 eythian erk, that can be a tomorrow job, I have to leave now anyway. 06:25 eythian later 06:26 dcook night 06:31 * magnuse waves 06:34 dcook hey magnuse :) 06:37 reiveune hello 06:37 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:38 ashimema morning all 06:38 ashimema evening for those about to leave ;) 06:39 magnuse hiya reiveune and ashimema 06:39 reiveune salut magnuse dcook 06:50 alex_a bonjour 06:50 wahanui what's up, alex_a 07:04 magnuse bonjour alex_a et matts 07:04 alex_a hello magnuse 07:07 matts hello ! 07:13 pianohacker I need to go to bed and beat on z39.50 in the morning 07:13 pianohacker good night all 07:24 paul_p hello world 07:26 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:31 fridolin hie all 07:32 magnuse bonjour fridolin 07:33 fridolin bonjour magnuse, bonne journée à toi 07:34 gaetan_B hello 08:02 paxed grmbl. 08:02 paxed patron goes and renews most of his books in opac. comes to library during the same day and checks out one book. the quick slip prints all of those books instead of just the one checked out today. blah! 08:53 magnuse welcome back barton 09:05 * cait-m__ waves 09:45 cait hi #koha 09:49 magnuse hiya cait 09:49 cait hiya 09:49 cait my first train today got cancelled.. bit of an odyssey 09:49 cait but... i fund a shop that sells peanut butter cups and one of the stations :) 09:55 magnuse woohoo! 09:55 magnuse that is worty of an odyssey! 09:55 magnuse *worthy 09:55 cait well.. it certainly cheered me up :) 09:55 magnuse :-) 09:56 cait ben and jerry's icecream with peanut butter cups. 09:59 cait but now air condition is broken 09:59 cait ... 10:27 barton thanks magnuse! 10:27 barton (day late and a dollar short) 11:20 * magnuse does a little happydance 11:42 * cait waves from the train 11:43 * paxed waves from a stationary train 11:43 * paxed grumbles something about faulty, broken railroad equipment 11:44 * cait grumbles about cancelled trains? :) 11:52 * magnuse waves to cait and paxed on their trains 11:53 * cait waves at magnuse :) 12:16 pablito hi all 12:16 pablito does anyone here have some experience with OAI-PMH in Koha? 12:20 oleonard Hi #koha 12:21 Viktor Hi all! 12:21 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. 12:24 Viktor Is anyone else annoyed to loose all settings of advanced search if it returns no results and having to start over? 12:27 cait Viktor: yes 12:28 Viktor Sort of glad to hear it's not just me cait. But was hoping there was something I just didn't get :) 12:29 Viktor I created a bug for it (12356) but think it's a bit over my head. 12:30 cait Viktor: i think using the back button you lose the url parameters 12:30 cait maybe you need to ue a cookie for storing the settings instead 12:30 cait yeah above mine too 12:30 cait i had definitely libraries asking for that 12:31 ashimema us too 12:31 Viktor I'm guessing that the fact that an empty search.pl URL gives advanced search is one piece of the puzzle. 12:32 Viktor But even if you give search.pl a parameter to set normal/advanced mode you would have to create logic to pre fill all fields of advanced search. Which could be a bit of work if you added extra fields in the original search I guess. 12:33 Viktor I'll poke around a bit with it but I'm more expecting to learn a little bit about search than actually getting anything done... 12:34 cait i think the problem is that if you go back, the browser won't know 12:34 cait which is what people do 12:34 cait they do a search, get no results and then use the back button 12:34 cait and then i think only a cookie might help 12:34 oleonard Cookies usually help. 12:36 Viktor A different angle on the problem cait - but a good one too :) 12:37 Viktor It seems passing idx or q to search gives simple search and all other cases advanced. 12:39 cait1 ashimema++ 12:42 cait1 if you are interested in searching 12:42 cait1 maybe take a look at the manual - there is a chapter about search 12:42 cait1 and how you can also do an expert search 12:42 cait1 typing things like ti=something and au=someone 12:46 Viktor I do think that I could learn to ones I need most often. But for opac and partly in staff too I'd like advanced search to be a little friendly and not make me start over when :) 12:47 cait1 you ar right about that :) 12:47 cait1 just thouht it might be helpful to learn a bit more :) 12:48 Viktor You are quite right. I'd like all three: learning to search without need for advanced search, cookies helping the back button stay working and advanced search actually keeping my settings. 12:49 Viktor I'll go stick my head in some code for a while :) 12:49 cait1 have fun :) 12:49 Viktor Thanks for the input guys! 12:49 cait1 don't get lost 12:50 Viktor I'll be careful :) 12:55 magnuse Search.pm? 12:55 wahanui i think Search.pm is full of bees. 12:55 magnuse yeah, be careful! 13:03 magnuse @wunder boo 13:03 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 20.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:03 magnuse w00t! 13:17 paul_p @wunder grenoble 13:17 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Grenoble / St. Geoirs, France is 22.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 13:17 druthb @wunder 77098 13:17 * paul_p at Koha 2014 symposium 13:17 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 23.9°C (8:17 AM CDT on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 13:22 pablito anyone have experience converting Dublin Core to MARC? 14:19 edveal About to head to day to of Musuem hill training. 14:19 edveal talljoy can we skype real fast. 14:19 talljoy sure 15:10 bag hello 15:10 wahanui hey, bag 15:13 reiveune bye 15:25 paxed ok, our little library project got just mentioned in national news. 15:35 tcohen morning 15:36 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 15:36 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.1°C (12:35 PM ART on June 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). 15:46 tcohen gmcharlt jcamins: would you take a look at bug 12347 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Search performance improvements 15:52 gaetan_B bye! 16:04 ashimema anyone here using the indexdata repo's? 16:04 tcohen +lkntr 16:04 tcohen ghyw 16:04 ashimema I'm getting 404's on them today when trying apt-get 16:15 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "QueryParser tests fail on Ubuntu 14.04 (presumably Perl 5.18)" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23 16:17 fridolin see you all 16:26 magnuse bag: HI 16:26 wahanui bonjour, magnuse 17:03 bag magnuse: HI 17:03 wahanui que tal, bag 17:05 magnuse bag: if you are interested in libraries and rdf, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria - it's early days yet, but it's a beginning 17:06 bag cool 17:08 magnuse for now, it's something petter hacks on when he has to wait for more data from their old ils, but it will get more attention when all the preparations for the migration is "done" 17:14 pianohacker @seen oleonard 17:14 huginn pianohacker: oleonard was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 39 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <oleonard> Cookies usually help. 17:17 pianohacker @later tell oleonard Hey, quick question for ya. On line 1042 of staff-global.css, there's a rule to right-align table headers in dialogs. What was the reasoning behind that? 17:17 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded. 20:06 rangi morning 20:12 Dyrcona Afternoon, rangi. ;) 20:19 rangi after all this dickish behaviour by well dicks, I think we probably should adopt a Code of Conduct 20:20 rangi for koha events 20:20 rangi and i think copying http://evergreen-ils.org/code-of-conduct/ would be a very good start 20:22 jcamins rangi: I thought we adopted a code of conduct? 20:22 cait hm? 20:22 rangi did we? that would be awesome 20:22 rangi but i cant recall us doing that 20:22 cait hm I don't think we formally did 20:22 cait maybe something for th enext irc meeting? 20:23 jcamins rangi: if not, we certainly should. 20:23 rangi yeah i cant see anyone having any objections 20:23 jcamins If you add it to the agenda, I will put my +1 on the wiki, since I won't be able to make the meeting tonight. 20:23 rangi ill put it on the agenda 20:24 cait oooh 20:24 cait it's to night? 20:24 cait ugh 20:24 cait when? 20:24 jcamins cait: uhhh... half hour? 20:24 cait oh 20:24 jcamins Hour and a half? 20:24 cait now decide please :) 20:24 jcamins What time is it? 20:24 jcamins I have no idea. 20:24 rangi looking it up now 20:25 rangi yep 1.5 hours 20:25 jcamins It is 20:24. 20:26 cait not sure i will make it that long 20:26 cait it was tooo early today 20:26 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_3_and_4_June_2014 20:27 cait so the other one is tomorrow then? 20:27 cait confusing :) 20:28 cait hm i think I won't make the one tomorrow for sure, the conference is still running then 20:28 rangi added to the agenda 20:29 cait :) 20:29 cait i forgot to deprecate something this time... ah wrong meeting anyway 20:29 cait and i think i amrunning out of things to deprecate :) 20:32 jcamins Entered apologies and entered a +1 on the code of conduct. 20:34 jcamins And I would like to repeat myself over again. 20:35 gmcharlt @later tell tcohen I'll be looking at search tomorrow 20:35 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 20:47 cait hi gmcharlt 20:48 gmcharlt hi cat 20:48 gmcharlt er, cait 20:48 cait thx for doing qa :) 20:49 rangi https://twitter.com/jransom/status/473928290504151040 20:49 rangi boo yah 20:49 cait wohoo! 20:50 cait hlt++ 20:52 jcamins hlt++ 20:58 gmcharlt hlt++ 20:58 pianohacker woo! 20:58 pianohacker hlt++ 21:04 pianohacker wow. Has anyone looked at openstreetmap lately? 21:04 pianohacker New interface is fancy 21:26 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/MM-OPAC 21:26 rangi sending tcohen a pull request now 21:27 cait rangi++ :) 21:29 magnuse hlt++ 21:29 magnuse rangi++ 21:29 magnuse hm, am i the only one still doing the [SIGNED-OFF] thing on patches? 21:30 rangi it doesnt hurt for you to do that, but you might be 21:32 pianohacker imo except for the patches that have gigantic test plans attached, I can usually tell pretty quick from the signoff on the bottom and the different username on bugzilla 21:32 magnuse hehe, i might consider dropping it then :-) 21:33 cait ido passed qa stil 21:33 cait if that helps :) 21:33 magnuse i usually forget anyway, and then do an extra --amend to add it 21:38 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test all the (dbic) things!" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/25 21:38 magnuse rangi: if you have a moment, could you have a look and tell me if that looks completely bonkers? 21:39 magnuse i felt pretty clever when i realised i could do 21:39 magnuse my $db = Test::MockModule->new('Koha::Database'); 21:39 magnuse $db->mock( _new_schema => sub { return Schema(); } ); 21:39 rangi yep you sure can 21:40 magnuse but mocking a "private" sub like that might be a cardinal sin or something... 21:41 rangi i think its ok 21:43 magnuse yay :-) 21:44 cait magnuse++ :) 21:45 cait night all 21:45 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 21:46 magnuse rangi: thanks, i'll submit all of it soon, hopefully this week, and see what happens :-) 21:46 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:46 rangi sweet 21:47 magnuse oh btw rangi, you might want to keep an eye on https://github.com/digibib/armillaria 21:47 rangi ohh interesting 21:47 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:47 rangi i sure will 21:47 magnuse it's early days yet, but it is the beginnings of something that will become really cool :-) 21:48 * magnuse wanders off into the nightlight 22:04 rangi hmm meeting time 22:04 wahanui meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 22:04 rangi anyone want to chair or shall i? 22:05 rangi heh, maybe im meeting by myself 22:05 pianohacker hi rangi :) 22:05 rangi ah well a good meeting is a fast meeting 22:05 rangi #startmeeting General meeting 22:05 huginn Meeting started Tue Jun 3 22:05:51 2014 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting' 22:06 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ 22:06 rangi #topic introductions 22:06 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:07 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions 22:07 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services (not absent after all) 22:07 rangi :) 22:07 rangi yay 22:08 rangi ok, we can move through the agenda and the second meeting can fill in the gaps 22:08 rangi #topic announcements 22:08 rangi #info The NZ TM has been registered and is being held in trust by HLT 22:08 rangi anything else? 22:09 pianohacker 3.16 was released, don't know it that qualifies 22:09 rangi we'll take it :) 22:10 rangi #topic update on releases 22:10 rangi gmcharlt: are you about? 22:10 rangi i think you might be the only Rmaint around (if you are around) 22:10 gmcharlt yep 22:10 rangi anything to report on 3.16? 22:11 gmcharlt #info 3.16.1 will be released in mid-June; there will be some important bugfixes in it 22:11 rangi thanks 22:11 rangi ok, moving on 22:11 rangi #topic Code of Conduct 22:12 rangi #link http://paste.koha-community.org/24 22:12 pianohacker I like the idea, but was this inspired by anything specific? 22:12 rangi I dont think we can vote on this yet, but there seems to be growing consensus, including from the conference organisers that this is a good idea 22:12 pianohacker okay, makes sense 22:12 rangi there have been some recent events 22:12 rangi that have solidified my desire anyway 22:13 * jcamins thought that there was a code of conduct already, but it would seem not. 22:13 rangi i fully expect us to not have to enact it, but if we need to, its too late to create one then :) 22:14 rangi im guessing some more discussion will take place that the next meeting, but id like to do a 22:14 gmcharlt a code of conduct has value even if it never gets invoked 22:14 rangi +1 #for a code of conduct 22:14 gmcharlt +1 22:14 pianohacker +1 22:14 jcamins +1 22:15 rangi we'll see what happens at the next meeting, then maybe post it on the wiki as a draft and perhaps vote on it next meeting 22:15 rangi (the next next meeting) 22:15 rangi :) 22:16 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Argentina 22:16 rangi hi bgkriegel we are just finishing registering our support for a code of conduct 22:17 bgkriegel +1 of course 22:17 mtj_ #info Mason James, New Zeeland 22:17 mtj_ hi all :) 22:17 rangi #topic Kohacon14 22:18 rangi just in time bgkriegel :) 22:18 bgkriegel Hehe 22:18 bgkriegel Well, we have a meeting this morning, all seems right 22:18 bgkriegel asked tcohen about how many have registered so far 22:19 bgkriegel we are looking for translators (to english) for some spanish presentations 22:19 rangi ahhh 22:19 rangi i can order a beer, thats about the limit of my spanish im afraid 22:20 bgkriegel heh 22:20 bgkriegel and looking sponsors 22:20 bgkriegel but for now all is right 22:20 rangi have you had many people submit presentations? 22:21 bgkriegel not the exact number, four or five 22:21 rangi thats a good start 22:21 rangi cool 22:22 bgkriegel but there are time still 22:22 rangi please let us know if there is anything we can do to help 22:22 bgkriegel :) 22:22 bgkriegel yes, thanks 22:22 rangi ok 22:22 rangi #topic kohacon15 22:22 rangi I see that there is a proposal from Nigeria, and an expression of interest from Zambia so far 22:23 rangi perhaps since the mailing list was playing up a bit last month 22:23 rangi we should do another post to the list? 22:24 mtj_ yeah, sounds like a good idea 22:25 mtj_ perhaps just repost thd's email again? 22:25 rangi mtj_: would you be able to dig out thd's original mail and repost it? 22:25 nengard Hi everyone I'm in CA teaching a new Koha library - say hi 22:25 mtj_ yep, will do 22:25 rangi hi nengard (we are in meeting mode at the moment) 22:25 eythian hi 22:25 nengard Awesome! 22:25 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, nengard 22:25 pianohacker hi nengard :) 22:25 rangi #action mtj_ is going to repost the call for conference organisers for kohacon15 22:25 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ 22:26 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 22:26 rangi #topic actions from the last meeting 22:26 nengard #info 30+ California Librarians in Training 22:27 rangi afaik there are none 22:27 rangi anyone want to correct me? 22:28 * mtj_ looks... 22:28 mtj_ http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_21_May_2014 22:29 mtj_ decide on a GBSD? 22:29 rangi hmm ill leave that for the 2nd meeting, for magnuse to decide :) 22:29 pianohacker should we wait until the dev meeting on the 11th? 22:29 rangi thats a good idea 22:30 rangi ok anyone have anything else before we move on to setting the time/date for the next one? 22:31 nengard Everyone here wants it on the record that they said Hi 22:31 mtj_ #action decide next GBSD at jun-11 dev meeting 22:31 rangi #topic date and time of next meeting 22:32 pianohacker nothing for general meeting 22:33 rangi how about july 2nd and 3rd 22:33 rangi same times 22:34 rangi 22 UTC and 15 UTC 22:34 pianohacker sounds good 22:34 mtj_ +1 for me 22:35 bgkriegel +1 22:35 rangi +1 22:36 rangi right 22:36 rangi #agreed next general meeting 2 July 22 UTC and 3 July 15 UTC 22:36 rangi the next meeting can unagree that if they want :) 22:36 rangi #endmeeting 22:36 huginn Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 22:36:46 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:36 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting.2014-06-03-22.05.html 22:36 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting.2014-06-03-22.05.txt 22:36 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/general_meeting.2014-06-03-22.05.log.html 22:36 rangi thanks all 22:37 bgkriegel rangi++ 22:38 mtj_ ...and thank you rangi :) 22:38 rangi right time to go to the bakery for a custard twist 22:38 pianohacker I don't know what that is but it sounds wonderful 22:38 rangi mtj_++ 22:39 rangi fast work 22:39 rangi http://www.brooklyn.co.nz/pastries.html 22:40 rangi like the lemon twist, but with custard not lemon 22:40 pianohacker oh my god 22:41 eythian you...don't have them? 22:41 eythian where on earth do you live? 22:41 eythian Antarctica? 22:41 pianohacker hahahahahaha 22:42 pianohacker don't think any of the nearby bakeries, have them, at least 22:43 eythian Sounds like a pretty deprived area you're in. 22:43 eythian I'd move if I were you. 22:43 pianohacker hahaha 22:43 pianohacker I'll just keep crying into my microbrew 22:43 eythian You only have one? 22:44 eythian Now you really should move. 22:44 pianohacker oh man... 22:45 eythian Wellington has now almost reached the point where if you throw a stone, you're likely to hit two breweries, rather than just one. 22:45 pianohacker I love local beer 22:46 eythian It goes well with custard twists. 22:46 pianohacker except for this one nearby that makes this... thing with an aftertaste of rotten banana peel 22:46 * pianohacker grunts as the knife is twisted deeper 22:47 eythian too much isoamyl acetate? 22:47 eythian though, that's more banana rather than rotten banana peel. 22:48 pianohacker yeah, their yeast might have went off on some crazy tangent, no idea, but it was terrible 22:48 eythian well, acetate comes from fermenting too hot, so that might be it, and the flavour combines with something else badly. 22:48 pianohacker acetate could have been a part of that, yeah 22:49 pianohacker you brew? 22:49 eythian No, just drink. 22:49 eythian (on day...) 22:49 eythian *one 22:49 pianohacker what kinds do you enjoy? 22:50 pianohacker I'm a big fan of stouts, saisons and wheats 22:51 eythian pretty much everything that's not a lager. 22:51 eythian but belgians and saisons are among the favourites. 22:51 pianohacker weird flavor at first but there's so much variety 22:53 eythian yeah, definitely. 22:54 eythian Also, we grow hops not too far from this area, so there's a lot of big hoppy *PAs too. 22:54 pianohacker nice 23:34 dcook It's a bit late but +1 for code of conduct 23:35 dcook eythian: I'm thinking I need to visit Wellington... 23:36 eythian seems reasonable. 23:36 dcook I suppose a person could do a weekend, yet...I've never been to NZ so I'd want to take longer and don't have any more leave this year :( 23:36 dcook Plus, if you can hit 2 breweries per stone throw... 23:38 eythian A friend of mine has just signed the lease on a building to build another one. 23:40 eythian you could spend more than a weekend in Wellington no problem. Surely you can find some business reason to get flown over here on a Wednesday or so, back on the Monday-ish. :) 23:57 pianohacker hey, lazyweb, I'm unexpectedly in the market to replace my quickly degrading laptop. Any recommendations off the top of your head? 23:59 rangi i like my system76