Time Nick Message 23:59 pianohacker ha! okay then :) 23:58 rangi never tried, you should and tell us all about it :) 23:56 pianohacker does anyone here have experience with git-rerere? It looks really useful, especially for Koha development's rebase-heavy workflow 23:55 pianohacker that's beautifully terrible :) 23:55 eythian what part of the qa tool stuff is it that tells you about POD errors? 23:18 eythian https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4505381/perl-read-line-by-line/4505773#4505773 <-- I propose a new coding style for Koha, here's an example. 23:15 bag yeah I'm just talking about protecting my keyboard 23:14 pianohacker and the other will ninja and attack when you least expect it! 23:14 pianohacker one will distract the bunny 23:14 pianohacker bag: you may think so, but remember, the keyboard has two halves 23:13 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 23:13 cait night all 23:13 cait ok, time to sleep and dream about chocolate bunnies 23:13 cait i imagined the bunny attacking pianohacker 23:12 cait hehe 23:12 bag just incase pianohacker gets near to mess with my keyboard - the bunny will defend it 23:12 cait from the looks of your keyboard you should eat it :) 23:12 bag HA - mine is the guard of my keyboard 23:11 cait i eat them, i don't feed them to the laptop ;) 23:11 cait lol 23:11 bag ^^^ wow that reads awesomely 23:11 bag too much melted bunny in those old speakers 23:10 cait i got new speakers for the laptop today... was the hardware failing :) 23:10 pianohacker vaguely.. 23:09 cait pianohacker: remember the sound problem i had a while ago? 23:09 pianohacker hi cait :) 23:09 * cait waves 23:09 pianohacker hi rangi 23:08 rangi hi pianohacker 23:07 pianohacker hi guys 22:26 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/developer_meeting.2014-05-21-22.00.log.html 22:26 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/developer_meeting.2014-05-21-22.00.txt 22:26 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/developer_meeting.2014-05-21-22.00.html 22:26 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 21 22:26:20 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 22:26 rangi #endmeeting 22:26 rangi #agreed the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC 22:23 bag nope - I'll be in maine enjoying some lobster :D 22:22 cait no 22:22 rangi any objections? 22:22 rangi from the last meeting 22:22 rangi the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC 22:22 rangi #topic meeting dates 22:22 rangi cool 22:21 bag that's it from me rangi 22:20 eythian that's OK, it'll take us a little bit to really settle on the form of data we need. 22:19 cait well tell me what you need to know.. and it might need to wait until after library conference 22:19 cait :) 22:18 cait um... 22:18 rangi cait: yeah, the index table .. you could certainly help with that for elasticsearch :) 22:18 cait hm can you explain a bit? 22:17 bag they are doing a 6 week development class - and I volunteered up an idea - and some students chose it 22:17 eythian cait: sounds like you want to help work on elasticsearch to me ;) 22:17 bag that above one is from a group of college students from Colorado school of mines 22:17 cait but i'd like to help get some of the big things others do moving :) 22:16 cait nothing big from us 22:16 bag #info RESTful API's and angluarjs circ client 22:16 cait :) 22:16 bag magnuse HI 22:16 cait wiki updated 22:16 bag yeah I have talked and will continue to talk with him :) 22:16 eythian bag: talk to magnuse about that, he had some interest too 22:16 rangi #info RDF/linked data 22:15 rangi cool 22:15 bag once we've got elastic - I'm going to be pushing for RDF 22:15 bag rangi I'd add RDF to that too 22:15 bag SPEED! 22:15 rangi #info elasticsearch and plack fixes 22:14 rangi #topic what are people working on? 22:14 bag yeah semantics - the important thing is new ideas and I'm out of ideas :) 22:14 cait me too 22:14 bag oh I thought get former rms and push it early was all the same one 22:14 rangi i have no more ideas 22:13 rangi right you might want to edit the wiki :) 22:13 cait well that's what i meant... try to make it happen early 22:13 cait hm that was suppoesd to happen after the group effort 22:13 rangi and there is push it early and get people to use more diacritics 22:13 bag right I see those two :) 22:12 rangi there is get a group effort 22:12 rangi there is get former rms 22:12 cait it looks like gmcharlt volunteered during the first meeting to help organize something 22:12 bag one is cait's and the other is magnuse's 22:12 cait so I think a gbsd trying that approach would be nice 22:12 bag rangi: I only see two 22:12 rangi in that case i think we'll just leave those for now and let people think a bit more 22:11 bag no other ideas 22:11 cait i'd like to try and have us work through bigger enhancements with a group testig things 22:11 cait mine is one on the wiki :) 22:10 rangi does anyone have any other ideas they want to suggest? 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 22:09 rangi you will see 3 suggestions about how we can work on getting bug 11944 in 22:09 rangi if you have a look here 22:09 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_21_May_2014 22:09 rangi #topic Koha and utf8 22:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::SQLHelper should be removed 22:09 rangi #agreed we will work towards deprecating C4::SQLHelper (Bug 11385) 22:08 bag ha 22:08 eythian oh yes, let it die 22:08 bag +1 22:08 rangi +1 22:07 rangi no probelm tcohen thanks for the update 22:07 cait bye tcohen :) 22:07 tcohen bye #koha 22:07 tcohen +1 22:07 cait +1 deprecating 22:07 tcohen i'm sorry i have to leave 22:07 rangi anyone think that is a bad idea, or are we all happy working towards deprecating that? 22:07 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst, NZ 22:07 rangi #info Deprecate C4::SQLHelper 22:06 rangi i see that in the last meeting 22:06 tcohen QA people will be there of course 22:06 rangi #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines 22:06 rangi ok 22:06 rangi with the info people need for them 22:05 rangi im happy to make a RM page, and a MM page and a QA page on the dashboard too 22:05 bag :) 22:05 cait QA is curious :) 22:04 rangi sweet 22:04 tcohen i hope to have something to show the MM's next week 22:04 rangi cool 22:04 tcohen we'll see what serves the purpose 22:04 rangi i can look into doing something with bugzilla to pull that info out 22:04 tcohen I've tried with a Trello board 22:04 tcohen yeha 22:03 rangi like a taskboard 22:03 rangi maybe if we could try to get a one page summary, (with links out) of the big things people are working on 22:03 rangi cool 22:03 tcohen i.e. if someone needs feedback on an aPI definition, I'll try to make that feedback appear 22:03 bag #info Brendan Gallagher Bywater 22:03 rangi what i tried to maintain (not very well) when i was RM was a blog/wiki 22:02 tcohen to get in 22:02 tcohen and find bottlenecks that prevent people's work 22:02 rangi seems like a good concern to have :) 22:02 tcohen As I said earlier, my main concern is coorindating efforts 22:01 rangi over to you tcohen 22:01 rangi #topic RM 3.18 comments 22:01 rangi anyone else? 22:01 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina 22:00 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 22:00 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ 22:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 22:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 22:00 rangi #topic Introductions 22:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'developer_meeting' 22:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:00 huginn Meeting started Wed May 21 22:00:12 2014 UTC. 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Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:00 rangi #startmeeting Developer Meeting 22:00 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 22:00 huginn rangi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 22:00 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 22:00 rangi #startmeeting 21:53 rangi hi tcohen 21:53 tcohen hi rangi 21:52 rangi in 8 minutes 21:52 tcohen meeting? 21:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12274 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Closed invoices not properly handled on invoice details page 21:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12274: Invoice detail: don't crash on certain billing dates 21:36 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 12274: handle closed invoices properly on invoice details page 21:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1760: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1760/ 21:31 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bgkriegel: this is what I meant" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/13 21:18 eythian_ OK, time to get ready to head to work 21:18 eythian_ but up to you, eventually we might look into nginix. It'll probably work the same in either case. 21:17 eythian_ we use apache 21:16 bag oh yeah eythian_ only behind apache or should we put it behind nginx? 21:09 cait :) 21:09 bag but cait I'm proud that the bunny lasts so long :) my goal was six months this year - so I still have aways to go 21:00 bag ok PM me a better email address 21:00 cait i will see it in th emorning 21:00 eythian_ can't work at all hours 21:00 cait don't ask me... :) 21:00 bag WHAT! 21:00 cait can not check that now - it throws me out at 11pm 21:00 bag yes bsz mail 21:00 cait ah bsz mail? 21:00 cait heh 20:58 bag cait just sent you a picture of that bunny staring at me 20:58 bag HA 20:57 eythian_ haha 20:57 cait wow, must be af irst :P 20:57 * cait agrees with eythan 20:56 eythian_ EAT IT! 20:56 bag the chocolate bunny is staring at me 20:56 bag cait++ 20:56 cait eythian++ bag++ 20:56 cait improves this week qiute a bit 20:55 cait i like watching the 2 of you talk plack 20:55 cait :) 20:51 bag just making sure :) 20:50 bag yeah us too 20:50 eythian_ (for one of our sites, but a quite high traffic one.) 20:50 eythian_ both sides I reckon. We've been using the opac on plack for a while now with no major issues. 20:49 bag are we going to plack both staff and opac? or just staff for now? my vote is both sides 20:49 bag oh one more question eythian_ 20:48 eythian_ sounds like a good test case then. 20:48 bag yes she replies on the list a number of times - she's a good one :) 20:47 eythian_ sweet :) have I seen her on the list from time to time? I feel like that name rings a bell. 20:46 bag she's actually been begging me to do something like this so it's cool :) 20:46 bag it's a really cool little special library and Heather is top notch - so it's a good match 20:46 bag it's Heather Hernandez and the San Fransisco Maritime Museum 20:46 eythian_ ah, that's a good plan. 20:45 bag then after a week - change them to plack on the staff side and let them rip 20:45 bag give them a week to find any major bugs so that we can patch that 20:45 eythian_ cool. 20:44 bag Next week we'll put them on 3.16 20:44 eythian_ that was fast :) 20:44 bag So step one... 20:44 bag eythian_: they are completely down with it 20:43 eythian_ sure 20:41 bag nah I think quicker than that - let me call them first 20:40 bag we'll let me give them a call - probably take us a month to convert them and get them on 3.16 20:40 eythian_ cool 20:40 bag yeah I've got one that works 20:39 eythian_ Well, it would probably be OK with a regular multitenanted server, but only one plack setup per server, unless you do it carefully. 20:38 bag ok I've got someone in mind let me check the size of their ram pool 20:38 eythian_ (I don't think plack is yet ready for multitenanted servers, as the processes take their amount of RAM on startup, and never give it up. I'm not totally sure how to deal with that yet, but I have some ideas.) 20:37 cait :) 20:37 eythian_ And share the detail of what I figured out. 20:37 eythian_ I can go over with whoever is doing that at the time though. 20:36 eythian_ There's a thing to be aware of with memory, too. At the moment, starman pre-allocates. So you'll want at least 2GB, and then set the worker count so that you're not going to fill it up. 20:35 bag ok independent is fine 20:35 bag ideally someone on the west coast - so that you could "be awake" for parts of their heavier lifting periods 20:34 eythian_ Nah, best if it's independent. That means I know it works for other people too :) 20:34 bag right and you'd want ssh access? and control the branch? Or would you want to run that through khall 20:34 eythian_ (and they'll be happy that things are fast :) 20:33 eythian_ So they're good at bug reporting, and won't panic if they see something weird. 20:33 bag cool 20:33 eythian_ Probably small and easy-going to start with :) 20:33 eythian_ Oh, also memcached should be configured. 20:33 bag what size are you looking for? (first I have to talk them into going 3.16 early) 20:32 bag ok that's settled 20:32 eythian_ It probably would be. 20:32 bag heh 20:32 bag #$%!@# typos 20:32 bag right well it wouldn't be too fast to have to build a new package and deploy - so I git would be best bet for a produciton test 20:31 eythian_ So I'd go for 3.16, and apply the patches to be tested to it. 20:31 eythian_ 3.16 pretty much is master right now. 20:31 eythian_ The alternative would be to build packages and use this to convert them, but if you plan to swap patches in and out, that might be a bit too heavyweight. 20:31 bag ideally you'd like to be package :) but should it be master or 3.16 or ? 20:30 bag right so tell me what you are needing for a library production site 20:30 eythian_ That's essentially how I set up my test environment. 20:29 bag hmm probably not 20:29 eythian_ So my suggestion is that you get whichever install type you want to use set up, and then manually walk through the script here and do the things it will do, accounting for the change in paths etc. 20:28 eythian_ However I don't expect it will work well with a gitified install 20:28 eythian_ which converts a package install to a plack install. 20:28 eythian_ We have this: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git;a=tree 20:27 bag yes sir 20:27 eythian_ bag: was it about now you wanted to talk about plack stuff? 20:13 bag eythian_: yo 20:08 eythian_ hi cait 20:07 * cait waves 20:07 eythian_ bag: yo 19:35 jwagner exit 19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1760 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12274: Invoice detail: don't crash on certain billing dates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09c4d12d73194aeeb3d26ff3df33edb1ee467002> / Bug 12274: handle closed invoices properly on invoice details page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ec1ffafea89fcb98d67e090a799398a434af18d> 18:46 wahanui hey, bag 18:46 bag magnuse: HI 17:21 magnuse bag_aloo_vet: HI 17:18 JesseM hiya magnuse 17:17 * magnuse waves to JesseM even 17:17 * magnuse waves to Jesse 17:06 * magnuse waves apologetically for missing the meeting 16:02 phasefx trello++ 15:58 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_development_meeting__21_may_2014__part_1.2014-05-21-15.02.log.html 15:58 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_development_meeting__21_may_2014__part_1.2014-05-21-15.02.txt 15:58 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_development_meeting__21_may_2014__part_1.2014-05-21-15.02.html 15:58 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 21 15:58:09 2014 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:58 gmcharlt #endmeeting 15:58 gmcharlt thanks, everybody 15:57 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC 15:57 ztajoli yes 15:57 tcohen yes 15:57 gmcharlt same times? 15:56 ztajoli +1 15:56 ashimema +1 15:56 thd +1 15:56 gmcharlt +1 15:56 tcohen June 11 15:55 tcohen ok, next week then 15:55 ashimema dug out ES progress git: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/elastic_search 15:55 * tcohen is searching at the wiki 15:55 gmcharlt yes 15:55 gmcharlt tcohen: there's a general meeting scheduled that day IIRC 15:54 tcohen June 4? 15:54 gmcharlt no, I mean about tsetting a date for the next meeting 15:54 tcohen will we have those sandboxes set? 15:53 tcohen talking about UTF-8 cleanup 15:53 gmcharlt tcohen: thoughts? 15:53 gmcharlt #topic Set time of next meeting 15:53 tcohen to make sure nothing breaks badly 15:53 gmcharlt #info there were no action items ;) 15:53 gmcharlt #topic Actions from previous dev meeting 15:53 tcohen we will all review what's been done 15:53 gmcharlt ok 15:51 ashimema he's probably best explaining state of affairs.. but I know he's looking for people to start testing now. 15:51 ztajoli The main developer of 11944 is Jonathan Druart 15:51 ashimema he's been making inroads into it. 15:51 tcohen maybe on part 2 15:51 ashimema eythian has been on alot of mornings (uk mornings that is) this week 15:51 gmcharlt so I'd expect updates from Catalyst at some point 15:50 gmcharlt as I understand it, it's nealry 100% funded 15:50 gmcharlt there's an effort underway for funding to work on it more 15:50 tcohen what is the status of ElasticSearch integration? 15:50 ashimema back again.. sorry got called away. 15:49 gmcharlt any big projects to announce? 15:47 thd tcohen: I should have some time to work on it in July. 15:47 tcohen ok 15:46 gmcharlt tcohen: I've said what I'm planning to do; at at this point, I think others need to step up to test as well 15:46 tcohen gmcharlt: before that, who are working on 11944? 15:45 gmcharlt #topic Big stuff we are working on 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 15:45 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt will review the work for bug 11944 and organize a testing environment and a GBSD for some time in June 15:44 tcohen gmcharlt: +1 15:44 tcohen there are places we can check for properly formed UTF-8 strings 15:43 tcohen thd: the main issues IMHO are not explicitly decoding/encoding stuff as needed, or setting the proper config for the IO layer 15:43 gmcharlt (and to see about writing tests) 15:43 gmcharlt unless somebody has any objections, I'm willing to volunteer to review the effort and to schedule a GBSD for it 15:43 ztajoli For test we use to insert Japanese kana and greek letters. No authomatic tests 15:42 tcohen Who are actively working on this? 15:42 thd tcohen: Do you have a simple test for automatically determining when character encoding is displaying incorrectly? 15:42 ztajoli But it is the default, so it used to test from Paola Rossi. So we find problems 15:41 ztajoli Probably no one use English UNIMARC authority setup. 15:41 gmcharlt have we come to any conclusion regarding the proposals? 15:40 ztajoli but impossibile to use, so to input data 15:40 ztajoli for unimarc default setup 15:40 ztajoli Storing in database no 15:39 ztajoli And there the problems with pdf generation, label templating 15:39 thd ztajoli: Does UNIMARC English setting affect the character encoding stored in the database? 15:38 gmcharlt out of curiosity... who actively uses the English UNIMARC setup? 15:38 ztajoli probably we need only to transfer french unimarc setup into eng 15:37 ztajoli For authority records, unimarc eng default setup gives problem 15:37 huginn 04Bug 11811: major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV 15:37 gmcharlt ztajoli: though speaking of storage, you may find this to be of interest: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11811#c13 15:37 thd tchohen: There are past reports for the bug of problems with passwords and some other peripheral data storage issues. 15:36 ztajoli The problem is on display/visualization, not store in DB o Zebra 15:36 ztajoli and no others entry of bugzilla blocks it 15:36 tcohen as far as I can tell, we have only ackknowledged visualization issues 15:35 thd Are there any current issues from which affect the character encoding storage or editing of bibliographic or authority records? 15:34 gmcharlt so yeah, splitting those out would be good 15:34 gmcharlt thd: many of the patches look like they need to stand together, but it also lokos like there are a few that could be split off and applied separately 15:33 thd Are there a unified set of patches for the bug which must all stand or fall together? 15:33 gmcharlt agreed 15:33 tcohen I think we need to have unit tests for encoding issues 15:33 gmcharlt actually, cait's proposal of a dedicated GBSD 15:32 jwagner apologies for being late 15:32 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 15:31 ztajoli we do the best to test it (Paola Rossi) 15:31 gmcharlt and I also suggest adopting magnuse's proposal of a GBSD solely for this bug 15:31 gmcharlt I also suggest the following - that a special sandbox be set up running the code 15:30 gmcharlt regarding magnuse's suggestion, though I am NOT old ;), I will volunteer to review the code and approach during the next few weeks 15:30 wahanui Joubu is, like, not his irc name 15:30 tcohen Joubu? 15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 15:29 gmcharlt #topic How can we get "Bug 11944 - Cleanup Koha UTF-8" into Koha? 15:29 gmcharlt #agreed (pending confirmation) the coding guidelines will be revised to deprecate C4::SQLHelper 15:26 thd gmcharlt +1 for bringing all code to conform to current guidelines. 15:25 tcohen and I hope the QA team agrees to enforce it for submissions 15:25 gmcharlt +1 as well 15:25 tcohen I'd adopt this coding guideline 15:24 wosch gmcharlt: thanks for the clarification! 15:24 ztajoli for me ++ 15:24 gmcharlt I may poke at 11385 during the 3.18 cycle to work towards replacing it 15:24 gmcharlt deprecation is easy enough in the sense of "no new code that uses SQLHelper" 15:23 ashimema cait++ 15:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::SQLHelper should be removed 15:23 gmcharlt #info more info on bug 11385 15:23 gmcharlt #info There is a proposal by cait to deprecate C4::SQLHelper now that DBIx::Class is available 15:22 gmcharlt #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines 15:22 gmcharlt wosch: Koha's plugins currently support only staff-side functionality, in particular new items under the Tools and Reprts page 15:21 tcohen ok, lets move to the tasty part 15:20 ashimema Colin's working on EDI at the minute.. so I didn't fancy reminding him about the meeting ;) 15:20 wosch Hi, I'm wondering what the status of the Koha plugin system is in 3.16. Can I run plugins on the opac site, and not only on the staff site? 15:20 gmcharlt tcohen: anything more you want to say? 15:20 ashimema ;) 15:18 gmcharlt ashimema: there is a fine tradition of volun-telling folks who don't bother to attend the meeting ;) 15:17 tcohen and that if (for example) we need to agree on an API definition so people can start coding, we can do it on the meeting 15:17 ashimema sounds good to me.. also happy to volunteer from here (wether that be me, or me getting Colin to step up ;) ) 15:17 tcohen my ultimate goal is that we share our problems with implementing stuff 15:17 gmcharlt (and I volunteer to do that at least a couple times) 15:16 ashimema agree with the two above.. keep the agenda's tight, especially as they're going to be more frequent 15:16 gmcharlt one suggestion is (as often as possible) getting somebody to do a 10-15 minute presentation on some aspect of Koha development each emeeting 15:16 ashimema :) 15:16 tcohen ashimema: yes 15:15 reiveune bye 15:15 ashimema I like gmcharlt's two stage meetings to catch timezones.. do you intend on following suit tcohen? 15:15 gmcharlt I agree with thd ... I suggest making sure that the agenda for the dev meetings doesn't get too rote if you run them as frequently as twice a month 15:15 ztajoli We also probably send an RFC on ACQ, but also test/sign-off of others patch 15:15 tcohen thanks thd 15:15 thd tcohen: Ensure that the subject of discussion for development meetings motivate widespread interest and you should have sufficient participation. 15:14 ztajoli And on ACQ 15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 15:14 ztajoli Well, as CINECA, we will try test/sign-off as much as possible on UFT-8 ( bug 11944) 15:13 tcohen (sorry, my boss came to my desk with a chatty attitude 15:12 tcohen that's it, I'll take notes of the "big things" you are all working on 15:12 gmcharlt tcohen: sounds good to me 15:12 ashimema so far so good tcohen.. sounds promising. 15:11 tcohen I want all of you know I'm open to comments on all this 15:10 tcohen to catch up with everyone's works 15:10 tcohen not as we need them, but something like twice a month 15:10 tcohen I also hope we can make dev meetings from frecquently 15:09 tcohen I'll set (for now) a Trello board for that, and I expect to get some feedback from MMs 15:09 tcohen and I'll commit to find all the bottlenecks so everything goes as smooth as we can 15:09 tcohen I'd like to set a dashboard of the current "big" developments you are all involved in, or at least worried about 15:08 tcohen i wanted to say a few words on how i expect to do my RM work 15:08 tcohen hi every1 15:07 gmcharlt tcohen: you have the floor 15:07 gmcharlt #topic RM 3.18 comments 15:07 gmcharlt ok, moving 15:07 gmcharlt #info 3.16.x will be branched tomorrow 15:07 wahanui i think one more is better than one less but yeah they should be the same 15:07 gmcharlt oh, one more 15:07 ashimema gmcharlt++ 15:06 gmcharlt any other quick announcements? 15:06 gmcharlt #info Galen will continue to push patches to master through Sunday; tcohen will take over the master branch on Monday 15:06 * oleonard cheers 15:06 tcohen gmcharlt++ 15:06 gmcharlt #info Koha 3.16.0 will be released tomorrow 15:05 gmcharlt #topic Announcements 15:05 gmcharlt ok, let's get started 15:05 wahanui hola, ztajoli 15:05 ztajoli hi 15:05 wosch #info Wolfram Schneider, IndexData 15:04 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina 15:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 15:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:03 phasefx #info Jason Etheridge, Equinox 15:02 gmcharlt #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM 15:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 15:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 15:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:02 gmcharlt #topic Introductions 15:02 gmcharlt #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_21_May_2014 15:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_development_meeting__21_may_2014__part_1' 15:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:02 huginn Meeting started Wed May 21 15:02:01 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02 gmcharlt #startmeeting Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1 14:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 14:57 thd Are there any current issues from bug 11944 which affect the storage or editing of bibliographic or authority records? 14:54 gmcharlt reminder, the development meeting starts in five minutes or so 14:35 fridolin it works for Wheezy 14:35 fridolin FYI : for a master install, use now debian repo with "squeeze-dev", there are a few paquages more than "squeeze" 14:04 tcohen hi cait, druthb 13:55 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 26.3°C (8:55 AM CDT on May 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 13:55 rambutan @wunder 64507 13:45 druthb :) 13:44 cait druthb 13:44 druthb cait! 13:35 * cait waves 13:31 druthb Hi, tcohen. :) 13:30 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of cat 13:30 tcohen morning! 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in label manage template 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in member templates 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11819 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates 13:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11819 - Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions 13:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #44: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/44/ 13:12 * oleonard is trying it now 13:12 Joubu oleonard: it should not be too difficult to add some fields. 13:04 oleonard Hard to imagine doing batch update on first name. Easy to imagine doing a batch update of zip code. 13:03 oleonard It's very frustrating that the batch patron modification tool offers surname and first name as options but not city, state, address, etc. 12:09 oleonard Hi #koha 11:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11707 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Additional attributes broken for category code with space 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Title should be mandatory for creating suggestions in staff 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11803 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Consistent use of $dbh in _koha_modify_item 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new list 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11471 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Basket groups display 0 0 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11799 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Housekeeping: Remove _biblionumber_sth from VirtualShelves.pm 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10580 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Remove NoZebra reference from Makefile.pl 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , QA: the sysprefs.sql is not correctly sorted 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , copy submit button on inventory 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11087 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Stable , Have the fines tab default to pay fines rather than account 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11611 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Stable , fix possible confusion between UNIMARC and MARC21 in some sysprefs 11:31 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11707: fix editing additional attributes for patron whose category code includes a space 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10751: standardize validation of title in staff purchase suggestions form 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11796 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Results with 6 facets have missing facet 11:31 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11803: use $dbh consistently in _koha_modify_item 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11789 - Use validation plugin when creating new list 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11791 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new city 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11792 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new currency 11:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11471: Display the currency for baskets in a basketgroup 11:31 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11799: Housekeeping: Remove _biblionumber_sth from VirtualShelves.pm 11:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10580: (follow-up) tweak wording about looking for zebrasrv & zebraidx 11:31 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10580: adjust Makefile.PL to reflect that Zebra no longer optional in Koha setup 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new item type 11:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11562: re-sort sysprefs.sql 11:31 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 11272 - add second submit button to inventory form 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11795 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new Z39.50 server 11:31 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 11087: Make the Pay Fines tab the default tab 11:31 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11611: DBRev 3.14.06.002 11:31 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11611: Rephrase description and examples of 5 MARC related sysprefs 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new course 11:31 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11796: fix display of search result facets if facet happens to have exactly six entries 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11791 - Use validation plugin when creating new city 11:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when adding new vendor 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11792 - Use validation plugin when creating new currency 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11793 - Use validation plugin when creating new item type 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11795 - Use validation plugin when creating new Z39.50 server 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11788 - Use validation plugin when creating new course 11:31 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11787 - Use validation plugin when adding new vendor 11:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #43: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/43/ 11:26 huginn khall: The operation succeeded. 11:26 khall @later tell gmcharlt I've submitted the warning patch for bug 12025. I'd suggest you take a look at it to confirm your satisfaction of the wording and the behavior that triggers the warning 11:20 paxed sophie_m: so how does that work? i don't see HOLD_PRINT notice - do i just create it, and populate the Print-section? 11:07 paxed ah. thanks! 10:49 sophie_m paxed: print notices HOLD_PRIND + script gather_print_notices.pl 10:41 paxed how do you notify a patron who has no email or phone? like, when they've got a reserved book. 10:34 khall gday ashimema! 10:33 ashimema morning khall 10:32 * cait waves at khall 10:32 * cait is grumpy 10:31 * cait is stuck at home waiting for someone to repair the laptop 10:30 khall morning cait, #koha! 10:30 khall mornin magnuse! 10:29 * magnuse waves to khall 10:29 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on May 21, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 10:29 magnuse @wunder boo 09:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #43 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11785 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when uploading local cover images 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10714 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Redirect to list contents view upon save after initiating edit from list contents view 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11479 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Remove experimental given/when from C4::MarcModificationTemplates 09:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Remove experimental given/when from Koha::SimpleMARC 09:27 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11785 - Use validation plugin when uploading local cover images 09:27 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10714 [Follow-up] Redirect to list contents view upon cancel after initiating edit from list contents view (staff) 09:27 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10714: Redirect to list contents view upon save after initiating edit from list contents view (staff) 09:27 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11479: Remove experimental given/when keywords 09:27 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11478: Replace experimental given/when keywords 09:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #42: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/42/ 09:14 cait ok 09:14 cait i just tested German to make sure what will be pulled is correct 09:13 paxed i uploaded the files there 09:13 cait paxed: did you check the file on pootle? 09:13 paxed wtf? yesterday doing perl translate update fi-FI i got not complaints, today two warnings about mismatching number of placeholders. grrr. 09:05 cait Joubu: I think you can't put new lines in translations... so no idea why that would happen 09:04 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:04 cait Joubu: interesting 09:03 Joubu Anyway, next 09:03 Joubu Actually the german include file is generated without newline at the end of file. 09:02 cait noone complained about the blank line...:) 09:01 cait so weird 09:01 Joubu I have a patch to delete the blank line, but it breaks german export... 09:01 Joubu :D 09:00 cait i think ... better not touch it 09:00 Joubu cait: so, is it work? :) 09:00 Joubu I cannot explain the difference. 09:00 Joubu yep, same here 08:59 cait german not 08:59 cait english has the extra blank for me 08:58 Joubu cait: ok, so, on master: bg csv export using French tt: extra blank line, using german, all is good 08:57 cait i used the po files no in master 08:57 cait you can see from the comments i got really confused 08:56 Joubu ok, French is not up-to-date 08:56 cait yeah it's weird 08:56 Joubu cait: weird, in French I got 1 extra blank line, in German, I got header and the first csv row on the same line 08:56 cait seems something between 3.14 and master changed 08:56 cait Joubu: it works perfectly now for me :( 08:55 cait i reinstalled german right now - with the latest translations 08:54 Joubu cait: basket group 08:54 Joubu cait: yep, broken with german 08:54 cait Joubu: basket works ok - english has an additional blank line, the translated version has not 08:53 cait Joubu: did you test basket or basket group? 08:52 cait Joubu: could you test with german? i will repeat the test right now 08:51 cait that's why I started investigating - I had showed the feature at the workshop and it didn't work 08:51 Joubu cait: looks good on master, except the extra blank line 08:51 cait it doesn't work in 3.14 installed frompackages 08:51 cait Joubu: i got very confused in the end - it didn't work quite right for me 08:49 fridolin an UTF-8 problem likly. you may check the git global config on user.email key 08:48 fridolin From: =?UTF-8?q?=E2=80=9CByWater?= <“staff@bywatersolutions.comâ€> 08:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11572 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Keyword searches no longer detect isbn from "Search the catalog" 08:47 fridolin bag: I found the patch, look at Bug 11572 08:46 Joubu cait: it looks good, except the blank line between headers and values. Do you agree? 08:45 Joubu values 2 08:45 Joubu values 1 08:45 Joubu <blank line> 08:45 Joubu headers 08:45 Joubu cait: I tried on master, and I got : 08:45 fridolin bag: i noticed this also in release notes 08:45 fridolin hie bag , I noticed some patches have a odd email address : Invalid address: “staff@bywatersolutions.com†08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10935 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, REOPENED , CSV for basket and basketgroup are broken when translated 08:45 Joubu cait: bug 10935, what is the issue ? :) 08:41 nlegrand Hey #Koha ! 08:04 fridolin (oups its FYI ...) 08:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new course 08:02 fridolin FIY the use of attribute "required" like in Bug 11788 is really a good thing. Browser can render how he whats the required fields 07:59 ashimema indeed 07:59 cait and rancor... and whatever we can think off that is 'huge' 07:59 cait have one for the accounts rewrite 07:58 cait and i think we should then, hopefully after utf-8 being a success 07:58 cait i tihnk there is a nice arabic set somewhere in bugzilla 07:58 ashimema a QA sprint would also be in order (even if it actually focused on sign-offs this time around as a posed to qa's) 07:58 cait we could also upload a small test set of weird records to the wiki 07:58 magnuse hehe 07:58 cait helping with weird german words :) 07:58 cait i would be there, if we can pick a date i can be around 07:58 ashimema always worth trying. 07:57 cait i think w eneed to start doing stuff like that, maybe advertise with libraries too 07:57 ashimema Yeah, give it a try.. 07:57 cait i would 07:56 magnuse but it's worth a try 07:56 * magnuse is afraid noone would turn op for a bug squash 07:50 cait appointment in the city at the same time :( 07:49 cait magnuse: left a note on the wiki 07:49 cait yeah and i will miss it again 07:49 ashimema wow time flies.. hadn't reaised there was a dev meeting today. 07:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #42 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) 07:42 dcook cheers 07:42 dcook ok really going now 07:42 dcook Galen said it can still get into 3.16 07:41 dcook Or at least for a little while 07:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11014 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Slip Print Problem in Chrome 07:41 dcook PS if anyone can look at bug 11014, I'll possibly love them forever. 07:41 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:41 dcook night all 07:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 07:32 * magnuse adds a suggestion for bug 11944 - Cleanup Koha UTF-8 to the schedule of http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_21_May_2014 07:32 magnuse fridolin: yeah, awesome! ;-) 07:26 fridolin salut magnuse, your french is good ;) 07:26 reiveune salut magnuse 07:26 alex_a salut magnuse 07:25 magnuse bonjour reiveune sophie_m alex_a fridolin 07:24 fridolin hie all 07:02 dcook Hmm, seems to work all right. Not sure I get this "trial period" thing entirely but whatever... 06:54 dcook All right. Win 7 IE 8 VM downloaded from Microsoft has been imported into Virtual Box. Let's see what happens... 06:46 ashimema indeed.. 06:45 dcook He might get annoyed by all the things he'd need to fix ;) 06:41 wahanui hi, reiveune 06:41 reiveune hello 06:40 ashimema he's a kernel developer at the moment though.. so steeping out into our world and using perl is a big change. 06:40 ashimema indeed.. got a mate whose getting rather bored in his job and might fancy a change.. 06:31 dcook Pint and a random dive, eh? 06:31 dcook ashimema: I think it was actually Chrome that mangled my download the first time. Probably should get a download manager extension... 06:22 * ashimema is wondering whether the pint and random dive into koha code last night is going to persuade his friend to send in a CV or not. 06:20 ashimema dcook.. it's microsoft. what do you expect? 06:15 magnuse yo yo yo dcook 06:14 dcook yo magnuse 06:14 * dcook crosses his fingers and hopes this Microsoft VM doesn't break 06:14 * magnuse waves 06:12 dcook As for Australian public libraries, it looks like LibrariesAustralia actually keeps a pretty good network of records...but at a bit of a premium... 06:12 dcook morning ashimema 06:06 ashimema morning all 05:49 dcook Especially when the Australian public library system is so fractured that I have to look for different countries.. 05:49 dcook Finding good public library Z39.50 targets is hard... 05:41 dcook Ah, well. Glad to have helped :). 05:41 cait dcook: putting it on the li was your idea, so you did help :) 05:41 dcook Who wha? 05:40 cait dcook++ 05:03 cait so it was doubled up :) 05:03 dcook Ah, so maybe I wasn't blind yesterday then :p 05:02 cait i repeat the whole block for english and switch between them using jquery 05:02 cait ah, i changed that only yesterday :) 05:02 dcook Err 05:02 dcook Your ul had a class not an id 05:02 cait hi eythian :) 05:02 dcook I think so? 05:02 cait i think some li in the other css overwrote what i wanted to do to the ul 05:02 eythian hello cait 05:01 cait you did? :) 05:01 cait hi dcook :) 05:00 dcook I figured out why that CSS you tried to start with didn't work 05:00 dcook hey cait :) 04:14 dcook Going to go eat though. bbiab 04:14 * dcook wonders who will test his IE8 patches :p 04:14 dcook Pretty sure that I got 'em all 04:14 dcook Mind you, it's a simple patch, so maybe don't bother :/ 04:14 dcook I suppose you could check that the system preference works, wizzyrea 04:13 dcook Hmm... 04:13 ibeardslee ahh 04:13 dcook I think Chromium might be OK. I'm on Windows at the moment, so I can't check Chromium 04:12 dcook ibeardslee: Not sure :/ 04:12 eythian Oh nice, someone finally cleaned up the "adding a system preference" page in the wiki, so it no longer talks about really old versions. 04:11 ibeardslee chromium not close enough? 04:07 wizzyrea and I'm not super inclined to install it :? 04:06 wizzyrea Hm I don't have chrome :( 03:39 dcook If anyone feels like an easy sign off, it's waiting. wizzyrea, perhaps? :) 03:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11014 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Slip Print Problem in Chrome 03:39 dcook gmcharlt: Got a patch up for bug 11014 03:01 wizzyrea if your test fails, they tell everyone else in the library that you're a screw up and then tell you that everything's fine. 03:01 wizzyrea *snicker* 03:00 rangi if your test fails, they put a sign on the wall, with clip art and comic sans 03:00 wizzyrea hehehehehe 02:59 rangi heh 02:59 dcook There we go. Another example. Wrong channel though... 02:59 dcook true as 02:58 rangi for library software we should have passive aggression tests 02:57 dcook Don't write cheques your test can't cash? 02:56 rangi dont bring a knife to the gun test 02:56 wizzyrea don't take your baseball bat to the aggression test. 02:33 * dcook wonders what that would look like... 02:33 * dcook reads "add regression test" as "add aggression test" 02:06 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 02:06 dcook @later tell pianohacker my pleasure 02:05 dcook night! 02:04 pianohacker good night, all 02:04 pianohacker all right, I need to close the computer and go get some dinner 02:01 dcook Fair enough. 02:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC 02:00 pianohacker dcook: I was doing z39.50 searching through pazpar2 as I had it mostly working for bug 10486, and I didn't want to implement metasearch myself 01:59 eythian thanks wahanui 01:59 eythian oh, right 01:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface 01:59 wahanui rancor is bug 11559 01:59 eythian what is rancor? 01:59 pianohacker exactly 01:59 dcook Rancor is mostly for doing your own catlaoguing...but there is an option on the side where you can do a serach then bring it into the editor directly? 01:59 pianohacker dcook: The search on the sidebar 01:59 dcook So how does z39.50 factor in? I think I recall from your Kohacon demo... 01:58 dcook :D 01:57 pianohacker and yeah, rancor will be getting custom sort fairly soon 01:57 pianohacker I'll have to figure out where and how to do the relevance ranking, but that makes sense 01:57 dcook Although I might want the option to change my sort to alphabetical by title if the relevance was off 01:56 pianohacker ok, cool 01:56 dcook I suppose all of them now that I think about it 01:56 pianohacker dcook: In all of those cases, or just keyword search? 01:56 dcook In which case I would then want to use relevancy ranking 01:55 dcook I might do a keyword search if I were desperate 01:55 dcook Might need to look through a few different editions and such.. 01:54 dcook I'd probably be doing a title or ISBN search. Ideally, I would get back results that match my search pretty exactly. 01:54 * dcook puts on his cataloguing hat 01:53 dcook You might be annoyed to get back 100+ results, but you'd sort by Title and then scroll through until you found the right spot where it should be 01:53 dcook Which you would be 01:53 dcook I suppose on one hand you might want relevancy ranking, unless you're looking for a particular title. 01:52 pianohacker Yeah, you'd have to (kind of like pazpar2 does) 01:52 dcook Only if you retrieved all the records I guess 01:52 pianohacker And (within reason) you'd want the sort to be across all pages of sort results, rather than just a single page, right? 01:51 * dcook just had yaz up a moment ago.. 01:51 pianohacker It seems like client-side relevance ranking would be more useful than just a straight-up title/author/etc. sort, no? 01:51 dcook Oh wait maybe I'm wrong.. 01:51 pianohacker Yeah, figured as much... 01:50 dcook Btw, looks like sorting on the Z39.50 server might be out of the picture. Zebra seems to have its own special sorting... 01:50 dcook It's been a couple years now since I did much of it though 01:50 dcook Once upon a time, I was an actual cataloguer :p 01:49 pianohacker (in rancor) 01:49 pianohacker I'll have to talk to some actual catalogers to figure out what they might want :) 01:48 pianohacker It makes sense in a way, but seems kinda arbitrary 01:48 dcook As for the sort, that could probably be added to the code? Depends if different servers support it I guess 01:47 dcook I suppose the idea is not to bother retrieving the full set if all you want is the first 20 results 01:46 pianohacker Jesus, that's... I don't even know 01:46 pianohacker dcook: Yup, before the table sorting, page N of the Z39.50 search returns the Nth set of 20 records from each server, in order of which server responded first 01:34 dcook I think there are 20 results per page, and older versions of Koha would only show 20 results and have no paging... 01:34 dcook I don't think the Z39.50 search sends any sort to the remote server, so I'm not sure what order the results have 01:33 wahanui well, Maybe is a momentaneous error 01:33 dcook Maybe? 01:29 pianohacker is this correct? 01:29 pianohacker dcook: It looks like the Z39.50 search code in Koha outputs results in an essentially random order, and puts up to 20 results per target on each page 01:27 dcook Not for fun, but sure :p 01:26 pianohacker dcook: hey, want to talk z39.50? :D 00:54 dcook Oh right, I was complaining about Microsoft... 00:53 dcook https://github.com/lg/murder 00:51 pianohacker cool 00:50 dcook http://torrentfreak.com/twitter-uses-bittorrent-for-server-deployment-100210/ 00:49 dcook I remember reading something about how apparently Twitter uses (or used) torrents for transferring files internally. 00:48 dcook I think I have a torrent client on here that I use for grabbing Linux images 00:48 dcook Totes 00:48 pianohacker one of the reasons I think torrents are more useful for legitimate things than pirated ones :P 00:47 dcook Take forever to download Microsoft's IE VMs...and the files are corrupt. 00:47 * dcook twitches 00:21 dcook Wondered how they enforced the trial times... 00:21 * dcook is trying out Microsoft's "IE development" VMs 00:20 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 00:20 dcook Interesting.. 00:20 dcook It is also highly recommended that you implement a rollback strategy for any virtual machines that you download. This could be as simple as holding onto the original archive that you downloaded, or you could take advantage of your virtualization platform’s snapshotting capability so that you can start over with a fresh VM at any time and not have to worry about the guest operating system running out of trial time. 00:20 wahanui Since Thu May 15 22:14:16 2014, there have been 87 modifications and 27 questions. I have been awake for 5 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes, 28 seconds this session, and currently reference 37363 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 00:20 eythian wahanui: status 00:20 eythian that would have been a great factoid. 00:20 wahanui I know. 00:20 dcook That's right 00:20 wahanui dcook: I forgot it 00:20 dcook wahanui: forget it 00:20 dcook Damn it 00:20 wahanui okay, dcook. 00:20 dcook It is also highly recommended that you implement a rollback strategy for any virtual machines that you download. This could be as simple as holding onto the original archive that you downloaded, or you could take advantage of your virtualization platform’s snapshotting capability so that you can start over with a fresh VM at any time and not have to worry about the guest operating system running out of trial time. 00:15 dcook In any case, I suggest you make this a reality, pianohacker ;) 00:15 dcook Well... 00:15 dcook Actually, still more secure even without the anti-theft devices 00:15 dcook Install some anti-theft devices and it's more secure than the internet :p 00:13 pianohacker IP over quadcopter! 00:13 pianohacker ooh 00:12 dcook Nope. That's a bit of a barrier to using pigeons, alas. 00:12 * dcook checks to see if his office's windows open 00:12 dcook More so just using pigeons to carry stuff... 00:12 dcook Well not really IPoAC I guess 00:11 dcook (Well that and chocolate, but the pigeons are a tad bit more interesting) 00:11 dcook Damn it. Now I"m going to think about IPoAC all day :p 00:10 pianohacker http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ 00:08 dcook I thought that was just a joke :p 00:08 dcook They reference the later bit in the earlier bit 00:08 dcook Ahhhh 00:05 dcook Nopes. Just read the first bit :p 00:04 pianohacker *ping 00:04 pianohacker check dat pinmg 00:04 pianohacker dcook: You read the real-life implementation part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers#Real-life_implementation ? 00:02 bag ah cool thanks eythian and rangi - perhaps later tonight :)