Time  Nick         Message
00:08 dcook        Firefox and receipt printing does seem to work sufficiently, pianohacker :p
00:08 dcook        Doesn't seem to work in any other browser but Firefox :p
00:08 pianohacker  that's odd...
00:08 pianohacker  dcook: the automatic printing fails, or what?
00:09 dcook        Well, you can print receipts from the staff client in IE, but the self checkout doesn't print slips
00:09 dcook        Chrome can't print anything from the self checkout or patron record
00:09 pianohacker  weeeeeird
00:09 dcook        pianohacker: In the case of Chrome, it's because they use their custom print instead of the system dialog
00:09 dcook        At least for the patron record. Don't know about the self-checkout.
00:09 dcook        Will have to look at that in a bit...
00:10 dcook        I think it's because the Javascript closes the pop-up window too early. At least, that's what I recall happening in the past.
00:10 dcook        I think Galen or Liz might've fixed the Chrome thing using a timer for 3.16...
00:12 gmcharlt     bug 11014
00:12 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11014 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Slip Print Problem in Chrome
00:13 dcook        Yeah, that would be the one
00:13 dcook        I keep thinking that still has a problem...but I can't recall what.
00:13 dcook        I remember causing a sporadic problem in Firefox when using a timer..
00:16 dcook        Well, I have a few minutes to check this out more thoroughly.
00:17 gmcharlt     please do; assuming it's good enough, using taht as the new default printThenClose() should probably make it into 3.16
00:18 dcook        Sweet as. I'll start playing now.
00:18 eythian      https://twitter.com/slfritchie/status/468302135457636352
00:19 pastebot     "gmcharlt" at pasted "dcook: if you're feeling busy, this whole bit should probably be factored into a template include and used across the board" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/8
00:19 gmcharlt     s/busy/inclined to be busy/
00:19 gmcharlt     eythian++
00:19 dcook        Hmm
00:20 gmcharlt     dcook: namely because there are a bunch of pages that want to autoprint but which do not respect IntranetSlipPrinterJS
00:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1757: SUCCESS in 2 hr 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1757/
00:20 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12288: add regression test
00:20 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12288: fix search errors with AggressiveMatchOnISBN turned on
00:20 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12288: (follow-up) test for defined values
00:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12288 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Search Errors with AggressiveMatchOnISBN turned on
00:20 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11404: add support for Apache 2.4's config file convention
00:20 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11404: koha-functions.sh introduced for reuse
00:20 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11404: Make the install process aware of the changes
00:20 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11404: (follow-up) only ask user if there are instances needing upgrading
00:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11404 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4
00:20 dcook        gmcharlt: Why might you want to override that function with IntranetSlipPrinterJS?
00:21 dcook        wizzyrea: This always makes me think of you -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM
00:24 gmcharlt     dcook: insurance against future browser weirdness
00:24 dcook        I thought that might be the case. Hehe.
00:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1758 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:25 dcook        I'm going to start with the self-checkout and work backwards. I wonder if there are other places in the OPAC that have auto print as well..
00:26 dcook        Hmm, of course IE still doesn't work for the SCO...
00:27 dcook        As much as I would like to write off IE, it's just not going to happen :p
00:27 eythian      it helps if you set it on fire.
00:27 dcook        Ohh...this might be a security thing..
00:27 dcook        Err "security"
00:28 dcook        Pop-up blocker fun times
00:29 dcook        Thar she blows..
00:30 dcook        PS Started reading Treasure Island yesterday during lunch...actually rather compelling read so far :p
00:31 dcook        Hmm, no receipt printing for IE 8 still..
00:44 dcook        Because .submit doesn't work in IE 8..
00:49 Dyrcona      dcook: My daughter's school did a theatrical adaptation of Treasure Island just last week.
01:12 dcook        Drycona: Sweet :)
01:12 dcook        And that Javascript doesn't work in IE 8 because there IE 8 doesn't like Datatables.js...
01:19 * eythian    deprecates IE
01:22 dcook        Admittedly, Datatables.js could be written better. It's interesting that modern browsers just gloss over it
01:34 dcook        Yata!
01:40 dcook        Damn. Hate when you can only remember a few words to a song, and they're such common words that you can find many many songs...but not the one that you want
01:42 talljoy      good evening koha
01:42 dcook        yo talljoy
01:43 talljoy      hey dcook.  i'm digging your wife's blgo
01:43 talljoy      blog that is
01:44 dcook        Awesome! I'll be sure to tell her that :)
01:44 eythian      nobody likes her blgo.
01:44 dcook        She loves writing it\
01:44 dcook        eythian: She can be aggressive in her love of food :p
01:44 talljoy      well blgo.... ick
01:44 talljoy      there were some good lookin recipes i want to try
01:45 talljoy      i know at this time of day, i'm missing the authority expert, but I've got a weird thing going on with merging authorities.
01:45 talljoy      i've got a library on 3.14.x and the merge button is on authorities, but clicking it does *nothing*
01:45 talljoy      i'm thinking there are some *too* silent errors going on.
01:46 dcook        I'd recommend those recipes. Her food is delicious :).
01:46 talljoy      it looks fab!
01:46 dcook        Just had some of those cupcakes last night :)
01:47 talljoy      mmm...cupcakes
01:47 dcook        Alas, no idea about the merge button with authorities. Haven't played at all with that yet myself
01:47 talljoy      well it's just weird that it does 'nothing'
01:47 talljoy      any idea if this would show up in an error log file somewheres?
01:47 eythian      javascript errors in the browser console?
01:48 talljoy      hmm  that's something i hadn't thought of
01:48 dcook        Javascript errors in the browser console are the best
01:49 * dcook      was going crazy wondering why his JS wasn't working until he noticed one...
01:49 pianohacker  talljoy go to bed
01:49 talljoy      ha
01:51 talljoy      well, not much i can do with this tonight.  i'm flummoxed.
01:51 talljoy      i need sleep and then coffee.
01:51 talljoy      goodnight all
02:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1758: SUCCESS in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1758/
02:30 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12168: fix spent and ordered budget values are wrong when depth >= 2
02:30 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12168: Add unit tests for GetBudgetHierarchySpent & GetBudgetHierarchyOrdered
02:30 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12168: (follow-up) correct typos in test descriptions
02:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 12275: Small corrections to English web installer
02:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12168 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Spent and ordered budget values are wrong if deep > 2
02:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 12113: Update German web installer for 3.16
02:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10964: Update German simple and fast add frameworks
02:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10964: Update German default bibliographic and authority frameworks
02:30 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: update release notes for Koha 3.16.0-rc
02:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12275 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Small corrections to English web installer
02:30 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: DBRev mark Koha 3.16 RC
02:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Update German web Installer for 3.16
02:30 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 de-DE default framework to Update Nr. 17 (September 2013)
02:39 dcook        gmcharlt: Going to look at that include now
03:06 pianohacker  back
03:17 eythian      anyone know if Koha has any OpenURL support?
03:17 eythian      anyone know how OpenURL works at all?
03:18 eythian      http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-and-openURL-link-resolver-td5754761.html <-- apparently we can support this
03:19 dcook        Mmm, read a lot about it a year or two ago
03:19 dcook        Don't really remember too much anymore though :p
03:20 dcook        Mmm
03:21 eythian      yeah, I can't see anything about how actually to _do_ it.
03:24 dcook        GetCOinSBiblio
03:24 dcook        in C4::Biblio
03:25 dcook        Looks like this was pre-XSLT
03:25 dcook        Might be in the XSLT as well somewhere somehow..
03:28 dcook        Easy enough to do with a customized XSLT I suppose, but it doesn't look supported by the community
03:28 dcook        Btw, eythian, check out opac-basket.tt
03:29 pastebot     "dcook" at pasted "opac-basket.tt" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/9
03:30 dcook        That one looks like a COinS
03:30 eythian      also openurl I think
03:30 dcook        Same diff
03:30 eythian      I don't know really what the difference/similarities are
03:31 eythian      ah, so that's for outgoing information.
03:31 eythian      I think we'd need it for linking to, or something like that.
03:32 dcook        ?
03:32 dcook        Ah, I think I getcha
03:32 eythian      Good, I'm pretty hazy on the details here.
03:33 dcook        I think COinS might use the OpenURL data model, but isn't actually usable by a link resolver since it isn't pointing to the link resolver
03:33 eythian      I think what that span thing does is allow things like zotero to scrape data from koha
03:33 eythian      yeah
03:33 dcook        yep
03:33 dcook        Really what you need is something like a system preference for the link resolver, and then to generate this data per record/result, and stick it all together, I think
03:34 dcook        Then the link resolver does the heavy lifting in the background.
03:34 eythian      yeah, that's what I'd expect.
03:34 * dcook      ponders
03:34 eythian      This is for an RFT and they are terribly, extremely vauge about everything.
03:34 dcook        I keep thinking we have someone using a link resolver..
03:34 * dcook      pokes around for a minute
03:35 dcook        One of those moments where you want to query all your databases at once..
03:36 eythian      heh
03:40 dcook        Ahh, I think it was someone misusing the term "SFX"
03:40 dcook        They're using a proxy not a link resolver
03:41 eythian      ah yeah, we have some people using that kind of thing, like ezproxy.
03:41 dcook        Yeah, this is just ezproxy
03:42 dcook        rft looks weird
03:42 eythian      It's more or less an RFP
03:43 dcook        I meant the RFT in OpenURL
03:44 eythian      oh
03:46 dcook        Actually, I think that I figured out OpenURL at some point..
03:49 dcook        eythian: http://data.lib.sussex.ac.uk/services-and-applications/openurl-and-link-resolvers/
03:50 eythian      ah cool, so all we need is a specially formatted link to their resolver.
03:51 dcook        That's how it seems to me
03:51 dcook        I wrote an awful blog post about it which has a bit more info: http://tech4lib.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/openurl-and-link-resolvers/
03:52 dcook        From what I can tell, it's pretty much just used for journal articles and maybe ebooks
03:53 dcook        You give the link resolver some metadata in OpenURL format, and it checks its knowledgebase to see if it has it
03:53 * eythian    nominates dcook as the link resolver expert. Seconded ... passed!
03:53 dcook        lol
03:54 dcook        I think I mostly get it? :p
04:00 pianohacker  rangi: Is there any reason not to do Koha::Database->new->schema?
04:09 paxed        "<li>'ROADTYPE' is used forRoad types"
04:17 pianohacker  paxed: yes?
04:21 eythian      @wunder nzwn
04:21 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
04:21 eythian      hmm
04:21 eythian      that's earthquake weather at this time of year.
04:22 paxed        pianohacker: "forRoad"
04:23 eythian      it's a typo. It'd be trivial to fix.
04:23 eythian      cait: go back to bed.
04:24 cait         :)
04:24 cait         hi eythian
04:24 pianohacker  bed: go back to cait
04:24 eythian      howdy :)
04:26 dcook        As a random aside, I thought it interesting that the National Library of Australia uses VuFind as their front-end catalogue
04:26 dcook        Yay open source
04:27 cait         bag++
04:30 cait         gmcharlt++
04:58 cait         dcook: the print js thing - look at the wiki for silent printing
04:58 cait         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_up_slip_printer_to_print_silently
04:58 cait         reading the logs now :)
04:59 cait         you asked:  Why might you want to override that function with IntranetSlipPrinterJS?
05:00 dcook        cait: All good. I'm just working on patches now :)
05:00 dcook        Maybe
05:00 dcook        Or maybe I should listen to what you're saying :p
05:00 cait         don't ask me
05:01 cait         :)
05:01 cait         i don't know what you should be doing - just trying to epxlain wht the pref was created for :)
05:01 dcook        Ahh, very cool!
05:01 dcook        I should link that in the bug report
05:02 cait         the idea is that you can use javascript and the plugin to specify how the page should print - which printer, which settings etc. and that the pop does not happen then
05:03 dcook        That's pretty cool :)
05:04 cait         had a library testing it recently, it worked
05:05 cait         and have something for eythian too: bug 8995
05:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8995 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Show OpenURL links in OPAC search results
05:05 eythian      s'ok, I don't need it any more :)
05:06 eythian      I just needed to know what I was answering :)
05:07 cait         and i just started to feel a bit like santa
05:07 cait         :)
05:07 * cait       should maybe be going back to bed
05:08 dcook        cait: I think you might be one of santa's elves ;)
05:08 cait         heh
05:09 dcook        The thing I don't understand about using OpenURL though...it would only be useful for electronic resources
05:09 dcook        It would be a pain in the butt for print resources
05:10 dcook        Ah wait...I think that's in the GetCOINS sub part I guess..
05:11 dcook        Mmm maybe not..
05:15 dcook        3/ Fill syspref OPACHideOpenURLForItemTypes with some (not all) of your
05:15 dcook        item types.
05:15 wahanui      item types are used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
05:15 dcook        I guess that would do it
05:16 cait         hm might assume bib-level itypes tho
05:16 cait         there is a openurl thing around here - jop - journals online and print
05:16 pianohacker  going to bed now...
05:16 pianohacker  night all
05:16 wahanui      goodnight pianohacker. You'll be back.
05:16 cait         tries to figure out if the library has an electronic license or a print of the article/journal issue you are looking for
05:18 eythian      dcook: updated the OAI-PMH stuff to respect OpacHiddenItems
05:19 dcook        eythian: Cool beans.
05:21 dcook        Ah, there's the email
05:24 dcook        Hmm, it would be easier to read with the whitespace as a separate patch
05:25 dcook        eythian: Do you actually use $opac in EmbedItemsInMarcBiblio?
05:25 eythian      doh
05:25 eythian      wait
05:26 eythian      yes, but maybe I forgot to attach it
05:26 eythian      because I tested it
05:26 eythian      yes, it should be there
05:26 dcook        Hmm, not seeing it :/
05:26 eythian      +        C4::Biblio::EmbedItemsInMarcBiblio( $record, $biblionumber, undef, $opac )
05:26 eythian      +          if ($embeditems);
05:26 eythian      oh
05:26 dcook        Yeah, I see it as a parameter, but not in the script
05:26 eythian      in the sub
05:27 dcook        yeah
05:27 eythian      ahh
05:27 * dcook      ponders late lunchtime options
05:27 eythian      I will fix, one moment
05:30 eythian      dcook: fixed, ta
05:42 dcook        eythian: Code looks good. I'll test it in a bit. Possibly after I get some food in me...
05:42 eythian      sweet cheers
05:43 dcook        Perhaps you'd take a look at my printing bug once I get it posted?
05:43 dcook        Actually not sure if it applies to Chromium as well as Chrome...
05:43 eythian      I might get the chance tomorrow, I'm about to head off now.
05:44 dcook        Well, have a good night :)
05:44 eythian      later all
06:00 ashimema     gmcharlt++ #For super fast followup and pushing of bug 12288
06:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12288 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Search Errors with AggressiveMatchOnISBN turned on
06:01 cait         morning ashimema
06:01 cait         and yep gmcharlt++
06:01 ashimema     morning cait
06:02 cait         ashimema: do you think you might have a little time for a quick qa?
06:02 ashimema     go on then..
06:02 cait         12282
06:02 ashimema     I'll have a look over breaskfast.
06:02 cait         bug 12282
06:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , RESERVESLIP wrong in German sample notices
06:02 cait         asking not as qam :)
06:02 cait         it's my last patch for the web installer fixing a bug
06:02 ashimema     lol
06:07 ashimema     happen to have anyone to test a SIP bug?
06:07 cait         not right now :(
06:07 ashimema     we've been hoping to find someone to test bug 11633 for a while.. we've got a customer willing to sign off, but really we need an unrelated signoff too
06:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11633 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Cannot use the override function AllowFineOverride on the Staff client because this stops the pay function working on the SelfCheck (SC) machines
06:07 ashimema     okies.
06:08 ashimema     brendan took on SIP as module maintainer didn't he?
06:08 cait         he did
06:08 cait         asking him wouldn't hurt :)
06:09 ashimema     :).. was just going to change qa contact to him ;)
06:09 ashimema     might stir it a little ;)
06:10 ashimema     your patch looks good to me btw..
06:10 ashimema     ust checking against it's english counterpart now.
06:10 cait         thx
06:10 cait         i made a mistake when i copied in our stndard templates
06:10 cait         of course that went undetected until the workshop
06:10 cait         ..
06:14 ashimema     lol
06:15 ashimema     you have a fairly different set of information in our patch to whats in the english counterpart.?  I assume that's deliberate.
06:15 ashimema     I assume borrower details in the slip by default is bad for your data privacy stuff right
06:15 ashimema     as you've removed pretty much that whole section
06:18 cait         ah yes
06:18 ashimema     cool.. all done..
06:18 ashimema     time for breakfast now.
06:18 cait         also some of it didn't make much sense
06:18 cait         in my opinion
06:18 ashimema     that's fair.
06:18 ashimema     the englsih one seems a bit overloaded to me too.
06:18 cait         half the time we had losts of bullet points without text showing up
06:19 ashimema     but then it's a sample.. So I think most of our clients just take the sample and butcher it to their own needs.. hense it's easier to remove lines, than to add them ;)
06:19 cait         i didn't like the styling much with the list eelments
06:19 cait         because when you don#t have that on the patron account
06:19 ashimema     I can understand that.
06:19 cait         it will just show the bullet point... and nothing next to it
06:20 ashimema     It should have logic to remove the bullet if the info doesn't exist..
06:20 ashimema     but that's another issue
06:20 cait         it still shows the user's name tho :)
06:20 cait         but not the address
06:21 dcook        Gotta love how Microsoft needs http://www.modern.ie/ in an attempt to stay relevant...
06:21 ashimema     my inbox is filling nicely every morning at the moment.. lots of pushing going on still
06:21 cait         yeah still moving :)
06:22 ashimema     dcook.. that's funny
06:23 ashimema     yeah for koha + vufind: https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/vufind/commits/koha-driver
06:23 ashimema     athea has been doing a great job of updating the vufind koha drivers
06:23 ashimema     we're about to submit upstream with it.
06:23 dcook        Awesome!
06:23 wahanui      That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, dcook
06:23 dcook        I've been wondering how frequently those drivers get updated..
06:23 ashimema     haha
06:24 dcook        Hmm KohaRest...
06:24 ashimema     VuFind doesn't have too mayn contributors, but they're a really friendly community..
06:24 dcook        KohaRest is a different driver, eh?
06:24 dcook        Different from the KohaDB one
06:24 cait         very awesome!
06:24 ashimema     we've been using a number of tweaks to the driver for a while, but hadn't worked out how to upstream them..
06:25 ashimema     but now we've bascially re-written it to use the koha api's instead of a direct db connection.
06:25 ashimema     it's nicer
06:25 dcook        Very nice!
06:25 dcook        If we branch out into VuFind, I might find myself getting involved
06:26 ashimema     We had been improving the db connector.. but it just feels naughty to use a direct db connection somehow.
06:26 * dcook      nods
06:26 dcook        It also doesn't work very well anyway if your DB is on another server
06:26 dcook        Oh wait...
06:26 ashimema     I think we've gone as far as we can in vifind for the moment.. we're now looking at suplimenting a few bits in the koha api's to allow us some more flexability in the vifind driver
06:26 dcook        That may have been for VuFind itself
06:26 dcook        In any case, he had to hack it to look elsewhere
06:27 dcook        We've chatted a bit here about Koha's APIs
06:27 ashimema     yeah, we ran up against that one too dcook
06:27 ashimema     I must have been offline for that chat..
06:27 ashimema     what was said?
06:27 dcook        Ah, sorry
06:27 dcook        I meant here as in the office
06:27 cait         ashimema: how does it work? using ils-di?
06:28 ashimema     hehe.. I see
06:28 ashimema     mostly ils-di yeah..
06:28 dcook        I'm not sure how to describe it..haha
06:29 dcook        Umm..just that it would be nice if Koha just had more feature rich APIs
06:29 cait         ashimema: cool :)
06:29 ashimema     bascially we've used whatever we could api wise.. so mostly ils-di as it's the most complete.. but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some srv and other stuff
06:29 dcook        But not just externally...
06:29 cait         we'd be interested to use that maybe at some point
06:29 cait         we have libraries that will use vufind+koha
06:29 ashimema     I wish koha had just one simple api.. rather than a whole bunch.
06:29 cait         but it's till in the early stages :)
06:29 dcook        ashimema: Word
06:29 ashimema     ;)
06:30 ashimema     I say one.. probably two.. bib's out in one (SRU, z39.50 whatever) and everything else out in another, ils-di.
06:30 ashimema     I'm not really sure where SRV et al fit in
06:31 ashimema     OAI-PMH..
06:31 wahanui      oai-pmh is probably "a way to share Koha data with external applications"
06:31 ashimema     ils-di
06:31 ashimema     ILS-DI
06:31 cait         ashimema++ #thx for the sign off :)
06:32 ashimema     we should add ils-di to wahanui.. if I new how
06:32 dcook        Then you have SIP, NCIP, rest, all the things!
06:32 ashimema     we should add ils-di to wahanui.. if I knew how
06:32 dcook        C'est facile, ashimema
06:32 ashimema     true.
06:32 dcook        What would you like to say about it?
06:32 ashimema     similar to oai-pmh ;)
06:32 ashimema     seeing as it came up for it.
06:33 ashimema     i tihnk it's mainly svc I don't see the point of.
06:33 dcook        ILS-DI is similar to oai-pmh
06:33 dcook        ILS-DI?
06:33 wahanui      well, ILS-DI is too specific, but a component for web services seems reasonable to me
06:33 cait         ashimema: ah but that's an cool api
06:33 dcook        ILS-DI?
06:33 wahanui      i guess ILS-DI is too specific, but a component for web services seems reasonable to me
06:33 ashimema     those should be merged into ils-di me thinks
06:33 cait         svc is catalouging :)
06:33 cait         ils-di was some kind of a standard that didn't get really popular
06:33 cait         di = discovery interface
06:33 dcook        ashimema: svc can be pretty h andy I think
06:34 cait         a catalouging api doesn't really fit in welll there
06:34 dcook        I guess I'd say svc is really "backend"
06:34 cait         i think what ils-di wuld need is being a bit more secure
06:34 dcook        It also gives you access to reports
06:34 cait         like working on a different port if you want
06:34 cait         not on 80
06:35 cait         the ability to limit it to a single ip addres sin sysprefs is not really ideal
06:35 * dcook      should scram...
06:35 dcook        night all!
06:35 wahanui      goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:35 cait         atheia++
06:36 ashimema     svc feels weird to me.
06:36 ashimema     it's not just cataloging
06:37 cait         hm reports too...
06:37 cait         i am not sure there is any standard for those out there, so we need to think up something ourselves
06:37 cait         as long as it's well documented i think it's ok and it covers things that the other apis don't do
06:37 ashimema     and setting system prefs
06:38 ashimema     is ils-di really a standard.. I thought it was something we made up
06:38 cait         nope
06:38 ashimema     svc is bascially not documented
06:38 reiveune     hello
06:38 cait         well kind of standard
06:38 cait         http://old.diglib.org/architectures/ilsdi/
06:38 cait         as i said, i think one that didn't really work out
06:39 cait         http://www.diglib.org/community/groups/ils-di/
06:39 ashimema     The documentation in the ils-di page on koha is great.
06:39 cait         that's true, but we could do similar for other things
06:39 ashimema     but actually finding it in the first palce isn't intuative
06:40 ashimema     in fact..
06:40 wahanui      in fact is, like, the today situation
06:40 ashimema     I can't find it right now.
06:40 cait         gotta run
06:40 cait         brb
06:54 * magnuse    waves
06:54 ashimema     ok.. svc is now starting to make more sense
06:56 magnuse      ashimema: have you looked at the rest api biblibre created?
06:56 ashimema     that's where I'm going next..
06:56 ashimema     there are too many way to skin the same cat ;)
06:56 magnuse      (should probably read further back than a screenfull before joining the conversation, but...)
06:56 magnuse      yup
06:57 ashimema     hmm, I can't actually get to the repo for koha-restful thouhg
06:57 ashimema     the link to it from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha
06:57 ashimema     requires a login
07:03 Joubu        ashimema: our git web interface has been migrated yesterday
07:03 ashimema     haha..
07:03 Joubu        from gitweb to gitlab
07:03 ashimema     trust my timing
07:04 Joubu        and it seems that projects have not been marked as public :)
07:04 ashimema     I get redirected to the gitlab login page
07:04 ashimema     so yeah.. not public as yet ;)
07:05 ashimema     I didn't realise your restful stuff wasn't upstreamed.. though you'de been doing it in ils-di
07:07 Joubu        ashimema: you can clone now it using git clone http://git.biblibre.com/biblibre/koha-restful.git
07:07 ashimema     thanks Joubu
07:10 * cait       waves
07:16 magnuse      wb cait
07:16 ashimema     so Joubu.. why wasn't the restful stuff upstreamed.. sure there was a reason way back.. but I can't remember it ;)
07:17 magnuse      Joubu: and do you have plans for upstreaming it? :-)
07:18 Joubu        no, because it is too difficult to upstream this kind of stuff
07:21 ashimema     that's a fair arguament.
07:22 magnuse      yup
07:22 ashimema     there's a heck of allot in there.. would be very difficult to get it in.
07:22 ashimema     shame though.
07:25 Joubu        ashimema: an other reason would be there are not enough UT to be sure the code is working for all versions.
07:28 ashimema     I can certainly see why you guys have gone in this direction..
07:31 ashimema     take it you guys deploy it as a git submodule?
07:34 Joubu        ashimema: I don't know, I didn't develop it. I am going to ping a developer.
07:34 ashimema     :)
07:34 fridolin     hie all
07:34 ashimema     hi fridolin
07:34 Joubu        s/a developer/another developer/ :)
07:35 magnuse      tee hee
07:37 Joubu        ashimema: jajm does not seem to be available atm. He should be here in the morning.
07:39 ashimema     cheers Joubu.. no rush
07:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #41 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
07:47 nlegrand     Hiya #koha o/
07:48 magnuse      bonjour nlegrand
07:50 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:50 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
07:50 magnuse      yay!
07:58 jajm         ashimema, hi
07:58 ashimema     good morning.
07:58 jajm         what do you want to know about koha-restful ?
07:58 ashimema     was just chatting to Joubu.. wondered how your deploying it?
07:58 ashimema     as a git submodule?
07:59 ashimema     we're developing the vufind koha drivers..
07:59 ashimema     and seems silly to duplicate api effort at the koha end ;)
07:59 jajm         no, we deploy it as told in the readme file
07:59 ashimema     haha.. haven't got that far yet ;)
08:00 ashimema     I'll keep reading then..
08:00 jajm         ashimema, please feel free to contribute ;)
08:00 ashimema     cheers
08:00 ashimema     will do.. it's looking very complete.. shame it's not likely to get upstreamed.. though I can understand why
08:06 jajm         ashimema, you could also take a look at branch ft/R997, there's more unit tests, and a bit of code refactoring
08:06 ashimema     Cheers jajm.. it's all very interesting code.
08:07 ashimema     I don't think we need the scope it's gone into yet.
08:07 ashimema     but for the bits that we found already missing seems you've tied most of it up nicely already..
08:08 ashimema     if we find any missing bits, we'll submit it for your aproval ;)
08:08 ashimema     thanks jajm
08:26 cait         hi atheia :)
08:26 cait         @karma atheia
08:26 huginn       cait: Karma for "atheia" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5.
08:26 atheia       Good morning cait
08:26 atheia       And everyone else of course :-)
08:28 jajm         yw ashimema
08:28 ashimema     @karma
08:28 huginn       ashimema: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (95), "cait" (73), and "eythian" (54).  Lowest karma: "indexdata" (-3), "-" (-3), and "windchill" (-3).  You (ashimema) are ranked 9 out of 188.
08:29 atheia       Oh, there's a karma ladder!
08:30 ashimema     hehe
08:30 ashimema     there is indeed
08:38 magnuse      and it is even reset periodically
08:38 magnuse      i don't remember when, though
08:38 magnuse      year's end? new release?
08:38 magnuse      @karma
08:38 huginn       magnuse: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (95), "cait" (73), and "eythian" (54).  Lowest karma: "indexdata" (-3), "-" (-3), and "windchill" (-3).  You (magnuse) are ranked 10 out of 188.
09:13 nlegrand     I would like to have an export only option in rebuild_zebra.pl (exported_recordes aree  portable, can be done outside production server, easy to debug), do you think I can add such a feature? Or is it a bad idea?
09:13 nlegrand     or maybe it already exist? :)
09:13 nlegrand     +s
09:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #41: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/41/
09:28 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 12271: add Bootstrap templates to valid-templates.t tests
09:28 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12271: (follow-up) teach valid-templates.t how to include specified templates
09:28 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12271: (follow-up) fix minor errors in Bootstrap theme
09:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12271 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , valid-templates.t does not test bootstrap opac templates
09:30 fridolin     thank my friend jenkins ;). But I'm a noob in unit tests. Can someone have a look ?
09:55 mtj_         nlegrand: yes, export already exists
09:57 mtj_         use -x and -k, for exporting
09:58 mtj_         the man page will tell you more
10:01 mtj_         fridolin: here is the detail on build 41 -> http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/41/
10:05 mtj_         but some good news fridolin... looks like build 41 has 6 less errors than build 40 :)
10:07 fridolin     cool
10:08 mtj_         'Test Result (43 failures / -6)'
10:16 mtj_         more good news fridolin... your 12271 patch looks to be working OK
10:17 fridolin     yep, a pity I did not notice earlier
10:17 fridolin     I've run this test for validating backports
10:18 mtj_         ahh, ok :)
10:18 mtj_         you can check the build logs -> http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/41/consoleFull
10:19 mtj_         says ... "10:45:08 [10:45:08] xt/author/valid-templates.t ............................ ok   233203 ms"
10:20 mtj_         hmm, but there are some warnings too...
10:21 mtj_         10:41:16 Devel::Cover: Can't find file "Parser.yp" (Parser.yp): ignored.
10:21 fridolin     There is a bad email adresse in some patches I think : Invalid address: “staff@bywatersolutions.com”
10:21 mtj_         i'm not sure if that msg important, or not
10:24 mtj_         yeah, that happens sometimes...
10:24 mtj_         some accidental non-utf patches, perhaps?
10:53 bgkriegel    hello
10:59 magnuse      ¡hola bgkriegel!
11:00 bgkriegel    Hi magnuse!
11:16 nlegrand     mtj_: that's not what I want to do, rebuild_zebra.pl -x -k still reindexes with zebraidx afterward. I feel usefull to have an option to get just the export without zebraidx afterward
11:19 mtj_         gotcha
11:20 mtj_         should be easy to do :)
11:21 cait         talking about diacritics... could someone confirm bug 12279 maybe?
11:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12279 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Diacritics in system preference editor broken
11:22 nlegrand     mtj_: sure :)
11:22 cait         ok, diacritics was not really the topic, but the email address above reminded me:)
11:29 nlegrand     :)
11:37 paxed        cait: i've seen it before, although i haven't tested with the current master.
11:38 cait         it seemed werid and it was a weird evening when I ran into it
11:38 cait         so someone confirming if the same happens on their system wouldn't hurt I think
11:40 nlegrand     cait: Eine einzelne Zahl definiert eine exakt verlangte Länge, ein Längenbereich wird kommasepariert eingegeben
11:41 nlegrand     cait: Inclure la feuille de style CSS supplémentaire
11:42 cait         hm so it was not just me
11:42 cait         thx nlegrand
11:42 nlegrand
11:42 cait         coudl you add a note to the bug please?
11:43 nlegrand     cait: ok :)
11:44 Joubu        bug 12274 is critical and waiting for qa
11:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12274 critical, P3, ---, abl, Signed Off , Closed invoices not properly handled on invoice details page
11:45 vfernandes   hi :)
11:45 bgkriegel    cait: errr, about 12279, looks good for me (...URL ohne abschließenden Schrägstrich an...)
11:45 vfernandes   need some help to set Koha as a public server - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
11:46 vfernandes   i've uncommented the publicserver tags on koha-conf.xml and restarted the zebra server
11:47 vfernandes   but when I do "yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties localhost:9999/biblios" i get "Connecting...error = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused"
11:50 magnuse      bgkriegel, cait: opl have been seeing this too. it's just on some of the syspref tabs, not all of them
11:51 vfernandes   checking the ports I only have tcp        0      0 *:9998                  *:*                     LISTEN
11:51 vfernandes   should I have one udp?
11:51 cait         bgkriegel: did you look at different tabs? some were completely ok
11:51 cait         others were not
11:52 cait         really strange
11:54 cait         on another note... someone using ldap around?
11:56 bgkriegel    cait: checked, all looks ok
11:57 nlegrand     cait: done
11:58 nlegrand     cait: I didn't looked in tabs I was in syspref search. I gave examples of OK and not OK fields.
11:59 cait         bgkriegel: i hate bugs that do that - being not reproducable for everyone :(
11:59 bgkriegel    yes :( still testing
12:02 Joubu        cait: I reproduce
12:02 magnuse      "file koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/preferences/*.pref" says one of the files is utf8, the rest ascii
12:02 cait         ah
12:02 cait         could this be it?
12:03 * magnuse    dunno
12:04 Joubu        cait: the problem exists in 3.14
12:07 magnuse      which tabs are you seeing the problems on?
12:10 Joubu        OPAC
12:13 magnuse      hm, my private installation running 3.1406000 off the packages does not have the problem
12:14 magnuse      but my dev installation (running master off a gitified package install) does have the problem on the OPAC tab
12:14 magnuse      also the circ tab
12:15 magnuse      hm, i think there is a bug for this
12:16 bgkriegel    on 3.14 (3.1403000/tar) no problems using DE/FR
12:17 Joubu        the opac.pref contains "é" and "\xC3\xA9"
12:17 francharb    good morning
12:19 magnuse      i think benjamin at opl did some digging, and found that it mattered if the string was quoted or not in the yaml (.pref) file
12:19 bgkriegel    Joubu: which line?
12:24 magnuse      hm, i can't seem to find a bug
12:30 Joubu        bgkriegel: everywhere :)
12:30 Joubu        bgkriegel: grep -c é opac.pref : 96
12:30 Joubu        grep -c '\\xC3\\xA9' opac.pref : 17
12:30 tcohen       morning
12:35 cait         sorry i got called into a meeting
12:35 cait         mine was a git installation, not gitified
12:36 bgkriegel    Joubu: on master, not a one 'é' on FR or DE translation (sysprefs)
12:39 Joubu        bgkriegel: I confirm my last number on master... :)
12:39 Joubu        bug!
12:39 Joubu        but!
12:39 Joubu        ./translate install fr-FR                                                                                  [14:37:48]
12:39 Joubu        Smartmatch is experimental at ./translate line 54.
12:39 Joubu        tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (14/15):
12:39 Joubu        and a lot of others!
12:47 bgkriegel    :( - reset and clean, update/install fr-FR, no one é on prefs. There are 2 è on EN enhanced_content (from Babelthèque)
12:59 pastebot     "Joubu" at pasted "fr-FR opac.pref" (735 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/10
12:59 Joubu        bgkriegel: I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. Here is my opac.pref on master after update/install fr-FR
13:02 pastebot     "bgkriegel" at pasted "fr-FR opac.pref" (60 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11
13:02 bgkriegel    Joubu: that's part of mine
13:03 bgkriegel    also don't know why the difference
13:03 Joubu        bgkriegel: hum, this is weird! fridolin does not get any "é" either
13:04 fridolin     testing on 3.14.x
13:04 Joubu        bgkriegel: what is your perl version?
13:04 fridolin     I get for opac.pref : Utiliser le th\xC3\xA8me
13:04 bgkriegel    Joubu: v5.14.2
13:04 Joubu        I got
13:04 Joubu        main::token_negligible_p() called too early to check prototype at ./xgettext.pl line 52.
13:05 Joubu        and Smartmatch is experimental at ./translate line 54.
13:05 wahanui      i already had it that way, Joubu.
13:05 Joubu        with perl 5.18
13:05 fridolin     I have v5.14.2
13:06 Joubu        cait: could you confirm you reproduce this problem with perl v5.18?
13:06 cait         not now i am afraid
13:06 cait         if you leave a note on the bug I can look it up tonight
13:07 cait         i am using whatever is current in the older ubuntu version (haven't updated yet)
13:10 fridolin     Joubu: I do reproduce with 5.18
13:10 magnuse      this kind of reminds me of benjamins problem described on bug 11944 - he got lots of double encoding after applying the patches there, i did not. and we could not really find anything different in our environments...
13:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
13:10 fridolin     I get Smartmatch is experimental at translate line 54.
13:10 fridolin     maybe some code deprecated
13:11 fridolin     yep : not $lang ~~ $installer->{langs}, this must be corrected
13:13 bgkriegel    fridolin: yes, was the topic of a thread on mailing list
13:14 fridolin     but can this cause the bug we see in translation ?
13:14 bgkriegel    Bug 12151
13:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12151 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove remaining uses of the Perl smartmatch operator
13:14 bgkriegel    don't know
13:15 bgkriegel    will try to find an updated machine to test
13:16 fridolin     no it is not the origin
13:16 fridolin     Joubu: cc ^
13:17 fridolin     maybe some perl lib
13:23 cait         fridolin: but why would only besome pages affected?
13:24 fridolin     don't know, maybe something in gettext lib
13:25 cait         hm
13:25 magnuse      is there any difference in how the strings are quoted in the .pref files?
13:25 cait         could someone verify that it also appears on older versions?
13:25 cait         like a 3.14.0?
13:25 fridolin     it sould be tested in a debian Jessie. Not in ubuntu I'd say
13:25 cait         we did quite a lot of changes to the translation scripts recently
13:26 cait         maybe something caused a side effect
13:26 * tcohen     will try bisecting
13:27 cait         sorry that i can't help much right now :(
13:31 Joubu        tcohen: I tried but I didn't find a commit id where that worked!
13:32 Joubu        bgkriegel: how are .pref generated? I don't find the strings in po files
13:32 bgkriegel    I edited opac.pref and added some letters with accents, and reloaded, they look bad.
13:32 bgkriegel    Joubu: looking on that
13:32 bgkriegel    fr-FR-pref.po
13:33 bgkriegel    ^ that file
13:33 Joubu        yep, just found it!
13:34 magnuse      i think opl spotted this for the first time several months ago
13:43 tcohen       Joubu: did u?
13:43 Joubu        tcohen: hum?
13:44 tcohen       did u find the bug?
13:44 Joubu        tcohen: no
14:13 jpap         Hello everybody, just installed koha from packages for ubuntu 12.04 LTS (unimarc). However, without importing any data at all, when running the 'MARC bibliographic framework test' I get the error: The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield,
14:14 jpap         any ideas?
14:14 wahanui      any ideas are welcome :)
14:15 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12282: fix RESERVESLIP in German sample notices <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f9a8ccc18c8d97ac4167e313f4d3a685a9000dc>
14:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1759 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:28 pastebot     "tcohen" at pasted "bgkriegel: this test shows correctly (YAML::Syck 1.27)" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12
14:29 tcohen       if I remove $YAML::Syck::ImplicitUnicode = 1; then it breaks like in the sysprefs
14:29 tcohen       BUT, it doesn't fix if you add it to preferences.pl
14:30 tcohen       somehow, the UTF-8 data is rendered as Latin-1 (that's why every char results in two broken chars)
14:30 bgkriegel    yup
14:31 tcohen       we should compare the load -> process -> render chain
14:35 gmcharlt     jpap: what MARC flavor did you select during installation?
14:39 jpap         unimarc. both in koha-conf and web installation...
14:39 fridolin     jpap: if you use UNIMARC, those are false wornings
14:39 jpap         ... so, I can proceed ignoring them. Thank you!
14:45 fridolin     jpap: but infact you need to have a mapping for those fields : got to /cgi-bin/koha/admin/koha2marclinks.pl
14:51 jpap         but, as I can see in koha2marclinks.pl, biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber are already mapped to 001 and 090 $a respectively
14:55 tcohen       khall: a user approached me regarding the VA you provided in kylehall.info
14:56 khall        va?
14:57 khall        oh, virtual appliance ; )
14:57 tcohen       Pabloab was asking
14:57 Pabloab      That's me
15:06 reiveune     bye
15:16 talljoy      back
15:25 * tcohen     is having a headache thinking of double encoding problems
15:28 oleonard     Hi #koha
15:28 cait         hi oleonard
15:28 cait         :)
15:37 jce          Trying to migrate biblios and holdings from 3.08 to 3.14.  Tried using bulkmarcimport.pl -d -commit 1000 -file ./BCMC.MRC and get the following error messages:
15:37 jce          DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot truncate a table referenced in a foreign key constraint (`koha_bcmc`.`biblioimages`, CONSTRAINT `bibliocoverimage_fk1` FOREIGN KEY (`biblionumber`) REFERENCES `koha_bcmc`.`biblio` (`biblionumber`)) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 115.
15:37 jce          DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot truncate a table referenced in a foreign key constraint (`koha_bcmc`.`items`, CONSTRAINT `items_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`biblioitemnumber`) REFERENCES `koha_bcmc`.`biblioitems` (`biblioitemnumber`)) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 116.
15:37 jce          DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot truncate a table referenced in a foreign key constraint (`koha_bcmc`.`accountlines`, CONSTRAINT `accountlines_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`itemnumber`) REFERENCES `koha_bcmc`.`items` (`itemnumber`)) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 117.
16:04 talljoy      jce are you sure you want to use the -d?
16:05 talljoy      and it is running into problems with the biblioimages table.  you will need to truncate that table before proceeding.  but you will lose all your bib images.
16:07 talljoy      did you export all your marc records?  Are you starting fresh on this?  Do you have 952 and 999 tags in your file that you're importing?
16:07 talljoy      jcamins are you in?
16:16 jcamins      talljoy: barely.
16:16 * talljoy    slides a cup o coffee to jcamins
16:16 talljoy      nothing urgent.  i've just got an oddity with authority merge.
16:16 jcamins      talljoy: nah, it's not so much sleepiness as being mostly not here.
16:17 jcamins      Oh? What version? And what's the oddity?
16:17 talljoy      on 3.14.6 and clicking on the merge button does *nothing*
16:17 jcamins      *Nothing*?
16:17 talljoy      *nothing*
16:17 jcamins      Hmm.
16:17 talljoy      like clicking in dead air.
16:17 jcamins      JS error?
16:17 talljoy      that's the thought from last night.
16:18 talljoy      same browser and it works on other sites though
16:18 talljoy      but still could be some kind of conflict with some custom js they have
16:18 jcamins      So it's just the one site?
16:18 talljoy      yup
16:18 jcamins      Bad installation?
16:18 talljoy      that was my first thought.
16:18 talljoy      it could be that.
16:19 * talljoy    rules nothing out.
16:19 jcamins      That'd be my guess as the most likely problem... some stale files from an older version. Unless there are JS errors, of course.
16:19 jcamins      I mean, it could well be a JS conflict, but you'd know if there were custom JS.
16:19 talljoy      i'm checking apache log now and koha error log if i can track it down.  durn package site
16:20 jcamins      Oh, hm. I've never had problems with a package site.
16:20 * talljoy    dislikes them
16:20 jcamins      The upgrade process will catch when there's an error and complain.
16:20 talljoy      but then again, i just find git sites easier to navigate
16:20 talljoy      but i learned on them, so that's probly why
16:21 jcamins      I've seen mixed up sites with git, where someone merged something they oughtn't, and ended up with some files that weren't tracked preventing the actual upgrade.
16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1759: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1759/
16:21 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 12282: fix RESERVESLIP in German sample notices
16:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12282 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , RESERVESLIP wrong in German sample notices
16:54 tcohen       question: if setting an explicit encoding in the IO layer doesn't work, but decoding does, what does it mean?
17:03 jce          talljoy:  This is a problematic upgrade from 3.08 to 3.14.  No results are found in zebra querys, even after rebuilding the index.  I've reinstalled 3.08 in a VM and it is working.  The migration strategy was suggested here to fix the database in 3.14 after normal upgrade failed.
17:04 jce          talljoy:  IIUC the biblioimages table is for visual images, such as book covers.  We aren't using any of those.
17:04 talljoy      then I would truncate biblioimages altogether and try to reimport your bibs again.
17:05 talljoy      and yes. that is quite a leap from 3.08 to 3.14.  lots of changes involved in the data between the two.
17:05 jce          talljoy:  Yes, I exported all the marc records and holdings.  Not sure about the 952 and 999 tags.
17:05 talljoy      952 are the item record tags.  999 would contain the biblionumber
17:12 tcohen       Joubu: around?
17:12 tcohen       @wunder ARC0023
17:12 huginn       tcohen: Error: No such location could be found.
17:14 tcohen       @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
17:14 huginn       tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 16.8°C (2:10 PM ART on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
17:20 jce          talljoy:  I exported from "Export bibliographic and holdings" in Home->Tools in the intranet interface.  It's possible I didn't specify items right the first time.  A second export is 1.1M instead of .6M.  Maybe I should try importing that one.
17:20 talljoy      that sounds like it definitely got more stuff.  you can use marcedit (free download) to crack open the marc and see what've you've got!
17:25 jce          talljoy:  That sounds useful. I'll check it out.  Thanks
17:25 druthb       @wunder 77098
17:25 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 28.3°C (12:25 PM CDT on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
17:37 cait         tcohen++
18:01 tcohen       bye #koha
18:09 cait         bye tcohen :)
18:26 rambutan     @wunder 64507
18:26 huginn       rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 31.7°C (1:26 PM CDT on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
18:43 oleonard     Anyone know if the KOCT has a git repo somewhere?
19:01 cait         oleonard: it's on our git repository
19:01 cait         http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=summary
19:03 oleonard     Thanks cait
20:07 rangi        looks like the mail is slowly catching up
20:09 gmcharlt     cool
20:10 rangi        up to the 16th now
20:11 oleonard     Everything I get from "schnydszch" goes into spam.
20:12 jcamins      oleonard: you could retrain your mail filter.
20:14 * oleonard   gets out the rolled-up newspaper and the spray bottle
20:14 jcamins      rangi: was the server down, or was it just not sending mail to the list for a while?
20:15 rangi        its always been sending, i think its just been totally clogged, dunno I dont know the backstory, just watching messages come through a bit faster now
20:16 jcamins      Ah. I actually hadn't realized there was a problem.
20:16 jcamins      I guess only the messages on koha-devel were coming through, but I don't generally look to see which mailing list a message is from.
20:17 rangi        *nod*
20:28 Pabloab      Hi all!
20:28 Pabloab      I'm following http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_package I edited with some changes added by Ubuntu 14, but adding NameVirtualHost *:80 to ports.conf throw AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release /etc/apache2/ports.conf
20:29 Pabloab      we  don't need namevirtualhost anymore?
20:37 oleonard     Since the KOCT Firefox addon can't live in the status bar anymore I'm tinkering with a new icon: http://www.screencast.com/t/uGNMe9VGnqo
20:37 magnuse      woohoo - catmandu getting packaged for debian!
20:37 bag          nice!
20:38 bag          magnuse: close to almost all the funding for elastic search - just need a little more - we're using catmandu for that
20:38 bag          and of course HI magnuse
20:45 cait         oleonard++
20:46 oleonard     My success in updating the KOCT for Firefox 29 is proof that the "hit it repeatedly with a rock" method of software development works.
20:48 pianohacker  oleonard: is this the web version or the firefox extension?
20:48 oleonard     Extension
20:52 pianohacker  oleonard: then yup, sounds like you've got the right approach :)
20:59 oleonard     Later #koha
21:31 JoeLib001    Hello, I am having a weird issue in Koha after updating to Koha 3.14.06.
21:32 JoeLib001    Koha does something whenever I press the control key. I am not exactly sure what it is doing, but it looks like it is consistently bringing up the advanced search page when I press the control key.
21:34 JoeLib001    It is extremely annoying. I use ctrl+a, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, a lot. ;-)
21:35 pianohacker  JoeLib001: Which browser?
21:35 wahanui      Which browser are you using?
21:35 JoeLib001    Firefox
21:36 wizzyrea     JoeLib001: Clear your cache and cookies, force reload, and it should be happy again.
21:36 JoeLib001    I just tried it on IE and it does it there too.
21:36 JoeLib001    Hmm...., should I have done a server reboot after the update?
21:40 JoeLib001    Ok, I just fixed it in I.E. I haven an IRC chat client on Firefox, so I will need to close out of IRC.
21:40 JoeLib001    Clearing Cookies should fix it for me. Thanks. :-)
21:45 JoeLib001    pianohacker: I cleared my cookies and cache, closed the window, and restarted Firefox. It is now functioning properly. Thanks. :-) That would have driven me crazy in short order. XD
21:46 pianohacker  JoeLib001: Thank wizzyrea, I just asked a troubleshooting question :)
21:48 JoeLib001    wizzyrea: Thanks, too. :-) I didn't remember who had provided the solution. :-)
21:52 wizzyrea     \o/ glad it's working
21:57 jce          Working on a troubled upgrade from 3.08 to 3.14.  Tried to validate MARC records and holdings exported from 3.08 with marcedit and noticed that my 100 (Personal Name) entries are messed up.  They are missing the first indicator, and have a uniform piece of junk data appended to the Personal name subfield, though the original name is still present.  What options do I have for programmatically repairing the database?  I could expo
21:57 jce          rt everything in XML format and try to slap together a Perl program to fix it.  Is there something easier available?
21:57 pianohacker  jce: is this piece of info frey50 by any chance?
21:57 jce          Why, how did you guess?
21:58 jce          Sounds like you've seen this before.
21:58 pianohacker  jce: have dealt with this annoying little thing before... Is the marcflavour preference set to MARC21?
21:58 jce          I believe it is.
21:59 pianohacker  jce: You may want to check in the DB, if it's unset, the system will sometimes think it's unimarc, and "fix" the 100, which is a fixed field in unimarc
22:00 jce          I'll check it.
22:04 jce          It is set to MARC21 at present, but this database has gone through several upgrades since about 2008.
22:04 wizzyrea     is it set in the db, and not just in the interface?
22:05 Pabloab      Do anyone konw where can I download a koha virtual appliance no more than 1 year older...?
22:05 jce          Good question, wizzrea.  Where would I find that using phpmyadmin?
22:06 Pabloab      kylehall.info site seems down, and sourceforge have v3.8 :/
22:06 gmcharlt     jce: the systempreferences table, the row whose value is 'marcflavour'
22:06 gmcharlt     er, where variable = 'marcflavour'
22:10 jce          Well, the value there is MARC21
22:47 eythian      hi
22:50 * eythian    prepares to build new master packages, here's hoping everything still works...
22:58 eythian      well, the control file is totally current, that's always a good start.
23:05 tcohen       heh
23:07 tcohen       hi eythian
23:07 eythian      hello
23:21 eythian      master packages uploading
23:24 dcook        @later tell cait That first CSS you sent me was using an id rather than a class. Should've been "ul." not "ul#". My bad for not catching it sooner!
23:24 huginn       dcook: The operation succeeded.
23:24 dcook        @later tell cait Also, it looks great this morning :D
23:24 huginn       dcook: The operation succeeded.
23:26 dcook        Gotta love/hate when one character will resolve a problem\
23:26 dcook        ...
23:30 bag          @wunder 93109
23:30 huginn       bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7°C (4:30 PM PDT on May 20, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
23:30 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
23:31 bag          boo it didn't put the wind on there...  it's super wicked windy here
23:31 huginn       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 19.0°C (9:00 AM EST on May 21, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
23:31 dcook        It's ridiculously nice here ;). Should be cold but it's a beautiful day.
23:43 eythian      yeah, I wish it'd put the wind on there. That way wellington would win at something more often :)
23:43 eythian      bag: hey, did you see the ES screenshots from the other day?
23:44 bag          no
23:44 eythian      lemme find them...
23:44 bag          sweet
23:46 eythian      https://i.imgur.com/XjZzVVe.png and a little bit later https://i.imgur.com/F4Cpxgk.png
23:46 eythian      that's all coming from ES, including the facets (which still need polish.)
23:47 eythian      ^-- bag
23:47 bag          nice nice
23:47 bag          is this all pushed to the repo?
23:47 bag          I may pull a new copy
23:48 eythian      yeah, it's all in the catalyst repo
23:48 rangi        you'll have to make the mapping table and insert that data, i havent written the updatedatabase bit yet
23:49 rangi        but its all there in kohastructure.sql and the  installer/data/mysql/elasticsearch_mapping.sql
23:51 dcook        eythian++
23:51 dcook        rangi++