Time  Nick                Message
00:06 eythian             jce: for migration/export purposes, a tarball would be easiest, unless you have a koha-common .deb of your old version still around.
00:09 jce                 eythian: I do see a .deb for at download.koha-community.org, but if you think the tar would be easier I'll try that.
00:10 dcook               Just to complicate things, you can also try cloning the git and then checking out the version that you need
00:10 eythian             give the deb a go, see what works. I'm assuming, of course, that everything is backed up...
00:13 jce                 eythian:  It's backed up.  But I think I'm going to install this on a VM, just to make it as clean and uncomplicated as possible.
00:13 eythian             not a silly idea
00:14 jce                 Thank you all for your help.  Now at least I have something more I can try.
00:16 eythian             finger's crossed /this/ build attempt works, then I can get some lunch
00:18 * dcook             checks the calendar
00:18 dcook               What does eythian eat on a non-wednesday?
00:18 dcook               That sounded less weird before I wrote it
00:18 eythian             I don't know.
00:19 * dcook             figures eythian subsists on curry and beer
00:23 eythian             I was thinking vietnamese chicken curry...
00:25 eythian             OK, master finally built. Now I can test tcohen's patches after lunch.
00:27 * eythian           sidesteps the QA process and sends bug 12234 straight to master
00:27 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master
00:31 eythian             gmcharlt: bug 12234 really probably should go in for 3.16
03:41 * eythian           wonders if he should jump the gun on gmcharlt and just release 3.17 now.
03:42 wizzyrea            @later tell pianohacker http://www.npr.org/event/music/311114992/chvrches-tiny-desk-concert < seems relevant to your interests
03:42 huginn              wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:51 eythian             new master packages uploading
03:51 eythian             for anyone who actually uses them...
03:56 eythian             hi cait
03:56 cait                hi eythian
04:51 cait                @wunder köln
04:51 huginn              cait: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian             @wunder cologne
04:52 huginn              eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian             @wunder koln
04:52 huginn              eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
04:52 eythian             @wunder kln
04:52 huginn              eythian: The current temperature in Akhiok AP, Akhiok, AK, Alaska is 8.0°C (7:56 PM AKDT on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
04:52 eythian             not quite it...
04:52 BobB                lol
04:52 BobB                @wunder bergisch-gladbach
04:52 huginn              BobB: Error: No such location could be found.
04:53 BobB                hrumphh
04:54 cait                @wunder Konstanz
04:54 huginn              cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (6:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:54 cait                kinda cold
04:55 wizzyrea            @wunder nzwn
04:55 huginn              wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
04:55 wizzyrea            seems odd-ish that it's warmer here than in Germany
04:56 eythian             it's not even 7am there
05:02 cait                i don't expect it to get a ot warmer
06:25 ashimema            eythian, you still about?
06:38 dcook               While not the person you're looking for, hi anyway, ashimema :)
06:38 ashimema            Hi dcook
06:38 ashimema            how's aus?
06:39 dcook               Not too bad at all. Got soaked in the rain last night, so my jacket is still drying...but today was warm enough that I didn't need one anyway :)
06:39 dcook               Actually quite warm for this time of year..
06:39 dcook               @wunder sydney, australia
06:39 huginn              dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
06:39 dcook               How's the UK?
06:40 ashimema            yeah, not bad at all at the moment.
06:40 ashimema            @wunder steveange, uk
06:40 huginn              ashimema: Error: No such location could be found.
06:40 ashimema            @wunder stevenage, uk
06:40 huginn              ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 9.5°C (7:40 AM BST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
06:40 reiveune            hello
06:40 wahanui             que tal, reiveune
06:42 dcook               salut reiveune
06:42 reiveune            salut dcook
06:42 dcook               Just about time for the changing of the guard, eh?
06:42 reiveune            yep
06:44 ashimema            indeed
06:45 ashimema            it's nice having such an international community
06:45 ashimema            someone to talk too at pretty much any time of day ;)
06:49 reiveune            this is great for those that never sleep ;)
07:00 alex_a              bonjour
07:00 wahanui             what's up, alex_a
07:03 matts               hi !
07:05 * magnuse           waves
07:05 * mveron            waves back
07:06 magnuse             :-)
07:07 * mveron            Meeting...
07:09 magnuse             have fun mveron
07:09 magnuse             @wunder boo
07:09 huginn              magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:11 dcook               ashimema: It is pretty sweet :)
07:12 ashimema            for all us insomniacs..
07:12 gaetan_B            hello
07:13 ashimema            though there are occasions when I wish I didn't need to stay up so late to catch some people ;)
07:16 dcook               Mmm truth
07:16 dcook               Speaking of late, I should head home. Immigration stuffs can wait for tomorrow...
07:17 dcook               Am I just procrastinating? Maybe a little bit..
07:19 magnuse             bonjour sophie_m gaetan_B
07:21 sophie_m            hello magnuse
07:21 sophie_m            hi #koha
07:25 dcook               Anyway, I'm oout
07:25 dcook               night all
07:25 wahanui             goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:39 magnuse             have fun dcook
07:39 magnuse             @wunder marseille
07:39 huginn              magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 14.1°C (9:39 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:39 magnuse             nice
08:27 quyen_pq_           Hello expert of koha
08:27 quyen_pq_           somebody can help me
08:28 quyen_pq_           about index zebra of koha 3.12.0
08:28 quyen_pq_           I used vietnamese language
08:58 magnuse             icu?
08:58 wahanui             icu is a good idea.
09:17 ashimema            icu certainly is a good idea..
09:17 ashimema            anyone else getting 'Resource interpreted as Image but transferred with MIME type application/javascript:' with current stable packages?
09:17 ashimema            for a couple of the js bootstrap imports?
09:19 magnuse             any particular page to look at?
09:19 ashimema            all on opac..
09:19 ashimema            looks like the offending lines are <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/enquire.min.js"></script>
09:20 ashimema            and <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/js/script.js"></script>
09:20 ashimema            should have a type="" I believe.
09:20 ashimema            time for a git blame ;)
09:20 magnuse             should it be in the "console" in firebug?
09:20 magnuse             wasn't me!
09:20 magnuse             ;-)
09:21 ashimema            It's in the console on chrome developer tools.. so I imagine it should also be in firebug
09:22 magnuse             i can see it in chromium, but not in firebug/firefox
09:22 ashimema            interesting..
09:22 wahanui             interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:23 ashimema            maybe it's a chrome/chromium security hardening..
09:23 ashimema            i don't remember having seen it before.
09:24 ashimema            oh.. those lines are generated in a very strange way.
09:24 magnuse             in firebug you can choose to enable "Show Chrome Errors", but it still does not show anything like Chromium. not sure if they refer to "browser chrome" or "chrome the browser"...
09:25 ashimema            pass..
09:25 ashimema            I'll have a play at fixing it..
09:25 magnuse             yay!
09:25 ashimema            think it's probably just chrome being really really strict
09:25 magnuse             fix all the bugs!
09:39 ashimema            @later tell oleonard Could you take a look at bug 12239 pretty please?
09:39 huginn              ashimema: The operation succeeded.
10:34 paxed               there's no setting or anything to config what columns are displayed in the patron checkouts table?
10:35 paxed               (if only the columns were consistently named, hiding them via CSS would be nicer...)
10:52 Joubu               paxed: see bug 10212
10:52 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables
11:04 paxed               janPasi: ah.
11:04 paxed               bah
11:04 paxed               Joubu: ah, ok.
11:04 paxed               there's no way to hide branches from the opac library pulldown, right?
11:10 Joubu               paxed: no I don't think so
11:30 magnuse             paxed: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Hide_branch_from_search_pulldown
11:30 magnuse             ...which probably means there is no setting for it
11:32 paxed               bug 12242
11:32 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow hiding branches from the OPAC search pulldowns
11:59 oleonard            Hi #koha
12:01 francharb           morning
12:02 oleonard            ashimema: Does Bug 12239 cause problems other than a warning in the console?
12:02 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Errors loading script under https in chrome
12:03 ashimema            chrome marks the site as unsafe in https.. which a few of our customers don't like at all.
12:03 ashimema            otherwise, no it's a minor issue in the grand scheme
12:03 ashimema            thanks for taking a look.
12:03 oleonard            I've seen that error before. I don't think it's related to https
12:04 ashimema            interesting..
12:04 wahanui             it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:04 ashimema            It's all I can narrow down to on a few sites where chrome marks the https as unsafe.
12:54 * magnuse           waves to dpavlin
12:58 oleonard            ticketfest... I like the sound of that
13:07 ashimema            sounds promising
13:33 francharb           HI
13:34 francharb           Is EnhancedMessagingPreferences mandatory if I want to send HOLD notices?
13:34 francharb           I thought it was
13:34 francharb           but if I look in the script, there is just a warn saying it might not send notices.
13:35 francharb           It doesnt say, "it will not" so I'm confused...
13:37 oleonard            gmcharlt: Is there a reason to have both Bug 11346 and Bug 12233?
13:37 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes
13:37 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove prog and CCSR OPAC themes
14:12 tcohen              morning!
14:12 wahanui             it has been said that morning is a state of cat
14:12 huginn              New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12234 - build script version update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=739def89dddf2fda76d998a6eebcb08304aaf3cd> / Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf1935736e33f95a8b1e472d77d39f1e148bf4f> / Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c
14:16 jenkins_koha        Starting build #1753 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:30 user55              @wunder 65201
14:30 huginn              user55: The current temperature in Cedar Lake, Columbia, Missouri is 11.5°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
14:30 user55              @wunder houston, tx
14:30 huginn              user55: The current temperature in Galena Park, Galena Park, Texas is 19.7°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
14:31 user55              the weather channel says druthb got 5" of rain overnight
14:43 tcohen              @leter tell eythian if the user installs on apache2.2 then the instance handling should be done with .conf
14:43 huginn              tcohen: I suck
14:43 tcohen              huginn: i know
14:43 huginn              tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:46 user55              ergo, RDA sucks?
14:46 tcohen              heh
14:47 oleonard            Why is there now a separate "*-messages.po" ?
14:47 oleonard            Bug 8044?
14:47 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Localization for Perl scripts and modules
14:48 oleonard            ...but why have the strings in a separate po file? Doesn't that mean the strings will be translated multiple times?
14:52 gmcharlt            oleonard: the file is for supporting the translation of strings embedded in Perl code
14:55 gmcharlt            as far as why it's in a separate file, it's so that the code that retrieves the translations doesn't have to load /all/ of the strings, just the comparatively tiny subset of strings that simply must be generated from the Perl code
14:56 oleonard            gmcharlt: Are there established guidelines for when strings can/should be embedded in Perl?
14:56 gmcharlt            oleonard: not yet
14:56 gmcharlt            though one obvious case where it's pretty clear that the strings should be in the Perl would be for things like translating the output of command-line jobs
14:59 oleonard            ...and as in Bug 11668 where the output is to a file. I get it.
14:59 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable "Total" in borrowers stats report
14:59 oleonard            Thanks
15:08 * cait              waves
15:09 gmcharlt            hi cait
15:10 * cait              survived
15:10 cait                :)
15:10 gmcharlt            cait++
15:11 cait                now on to the next big project ...
15:11 cait                but first travelling home
15:12 cait                gmcharlt: i kept saying: this will be in 3.16 a lot
15:12 gmcharlt            :)
15:13 cait                and people were very intersted to see command line patron import
15:13 cait                edifact, acq email sending, acq for elecronitc resources and
15:13 cait                hm.
15:14 cait                I meant acq order emails
15:14 cait                and something else i currently forgot about
15:17 cait                lots of things that are actually already planned/being worked on
15:22 cait                @wunder Konstanz
15:22 huginn              cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
15:47 talljoy             ck
15:47 talljoy             back that is
15:55 ashimema            yikes cait, some of those are on my todo list
15:55 ashimema            missed her, damn
16:18 jenkins_koha        Project Koha_master build #1753: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1753/
16:18 jenkins_koha        * Galen Charlton: Bug 12206: fix HTML in other holdings list in staff search results page
16:18 jenkins_koha        * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build
16:18 jenkins_koha        * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series
16:18 jenkins_koha        * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - build script version update
16:18 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12206 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Malformed HTML in search result other holdings list
16:18 huginn              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master
16:18 gaetan_B            bye!
16:33 bag                 @later tell trea Happy Birthday dood
16:33 huginn              bag: The operation succeeded.
17:01 jwellner-Stanwood   Hey Brendan, are you available?
17:03 ashimema            bag, your beng summoned ;)
17:04 ashimema            bag - your beng summoned ;)
17:04 ashimema            how can I typo twice in a row.. ack
17:04 * jwellner-Stanwood places incense around the room and lights the candles....
17:05 ashimema            ;)
17:07 bag                 ashimema++
17:08 ashimema            your welcome
17:08 bag                 ashimema: it's you're
17:08 bag                 you are welcome :)
17:11 ashimema            indeed, my brain hurts today
17:19 jwellner-Stanwood   My side hurts... and head... :)  But working on both... :)
17:29 reiveune            bye
18:06 * cait              waves from another train
18:18 * jwellner-Stanwood waves back!
18:24 cait                hi jwellner-Stanwood
20:06 cait                @later tell nengard commented on 12331 - hope it helps
20:06 huginn              cait: The operation succeeded.
21:05 cait                hi kathryn
21:06 kathryn             hi cait :)
21:08 cait                :)
21:19 mtompset            Greetings, #koha.
21:23 rangi               morning
21:24 tcohen              morning rangi
21:31 mtompset            Greetings, rangi tcohen.
21:32 rangi               so we have the SCO thing on the opac, for self checkout, ... has anyone done a self check in thing for it? otherwise im gonna have to
21:32 mtompset            Nope, sorry.
21:41 cait                rangi: hm good question, no idea
21:42 cait                rangi: looks like there is a return item link
21:43 cait                http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/selfcheckout.html
21:43 cait                in the table with the checkouts
21:43 markvandenborre     man, what a mess
21:43 rangi               oh interesting
21:43 wahanui             interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:43 markvandenborre     about 40% of the library here has at least some kind of labeling
21:44 cait                rangi: AllowSelfCheckReturns
21:44 rangi               but you have to login with your card right
21:44 rangi               you cant just return an item?
21:44 markvandenborre     every pdf has at least five duplicates
21:44 cait                haven't tested that - and won#t tonight :)
21:45 markvandenborre     at least half has only a timestamp as file name, and no embedded metadata
21:45 markvandenborre     it's the digital equivalent of a rubbish heap
21:45 markvandenborre     sorry to bother you all with this
21:45 markvandenborre     frustration
21:46 markvandenborre     it will take a few times more time to clean up the mess than it took to install and configure koha correctly
21:46 markvandenborre     thanks again, all of you, for your help
21:46 cait                markvandenborre: let it out, it's ok
22:23 eythian             hi
22:24 * cait              waves
22:24 tcohen              hi cait, eythian
22:24 cait                hi tcohen
22:24 tcohen              good catch eythian # your followup
22:29 eythian             ashimema: I wasn't, but I am now
22:30 eythian             tcohen: yeah, I figured there was no point nagging people on new installs :)
22:38 tcohen              eythian: does apt-get purge remove the user's selection?
22:39 eythian             I don't know
22:39 eythian             probably not
23:09 mtj                 interesting FOSS discussion here...
23:09 mtj                 http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/12/2159234/how-to-approve-the-use-of-open-source-on-the-job
23:09 mtj                 http://opensource.com/business/14/5/negotiate-open-source-on-the-job
23:10 rangi               ah yeah saw that yesterday
23:11 mtj                 woah, i rftm more…, it mentions koha :p
23:12 mtj                 '"Open Source," "Free [Software]," "Contribute," and "Development" appear to scare managers away. '
23:13 mtj                 funny…, those are often word i us to *promote* FOSS ^^
23:13 rangi               its all about gauging your audience and switching words for them
23:13 rangi               i dont think any rules actually applie
23:13 rangi               apply
23:13 mtj                 yeah, all true
23:15 mtj                 hmm… my spelling needs a coffee :)
23:20 eythian             I'm fairly sure the koha list is broken
23:20 rangi               theres a lot in the archive that i havent seen actual mail for
23:21 rangi               http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-May/date.html
23:21 rangi               sijobl: are you around by any chance?
23:22 eythian             yeah, same here
23:26 mtj                 http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-May/039436.html
23:27 mtj                 "***UNCHECKED*** … it looks borked
23:27 rangi               dropped si an email
23:27 mtj                 awesome :)
23:27 rangi               naw, thats just people sending attachments and the virus scanner not liking them, i think there is other stuff going on
23:27 eythian             yeah
23:28 mtj                 aah, ok :)
23:28 rangi               i think its probably choked up with whatever fools keeping trying to mass subscribe people
23:28 eythian             I've seen my own emails take days to show up
23:30 * tcohen            hasn't seen any delays, thou
23:31 rangi               youve seen copies of all the mail in the archive?
23:31 tcohen              heh, no, but my own
23:31 tcohen              (and its responses)
23:31 * tcohen            rechecks the archive
23:35 eythian             the UNCHECKED thing is a bit weird, I assumed it was one person, but maybe someone at katipo is doing things with the server and virus scanners.
23:35 eythian             Whatever's happened, it's not working right.
23:36 mtj                 yeah, UNCHECKED is happening for many users
23:37 mtj                 s/many/some/
23:38 rangi               it'll be people with images etc as their sigs
23:41 mtj                 yeah :)