Time Nick Message 00:06 eythian jce: for migration/export purposes, a tarball would be easiest, unless you have a koha-common .deb of your old version still around. 00:09 jce eythian: I do see a .deb for 3.08.16.1-1 at download.koha-community.org, but if you think the tar would be easier I'll try that. 00:10 dcook Just to complicate things, you can also try cloning the git and then checking out the version that you need 00:10 eythian give the deb a go, see what works. I'm assuming, of course, that everything is backed up... 00:13 jce eythian: It's backed up. But I think I'm going to install this on a VM, just to make it as clean and uncomplicated as possible. 00:13 eythian not a silly idea 00:14 jce Thank you all for your help. Now at least I have something more I can try. 00:16 eythian finger's crossed /this/ build attempt works, then I can get some lunch 00:18 * dcook checks the calendar 00:18 dcook What does eythian eat on a non-wednesday? 00:18 dcook That sounded less weird before I wrote it 00:18 eythian I don't know. 00:19 * dcook figures eythian subsists on curry and beer 00:23 eythian I was thinking vietnamese chicken curry... 00:25 eythian OK, master finally built. Now I can test tcohen's patches after lunch. 00:27 * eythian sidesteps the QA process and sends bug 12234 straight to master 00:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master 00:31 eythian gmcharlt: bug 12234 really probably should go in for 3.16 03:41 * eythian wonders if he should jump the gun on gmcharlt and just release 3.17 now. 03:42 wizzyrea @later tell pianohacker http://www.npr.org/event/music/311114992/chvrches-tiny-desk-concert < seems relevant to your interests 03:42 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 03:51 eythian new master packages uploading 03:51 eythian for anyone who actually uses them... 03:56 eythian hi cait 03:56 cait hi eythian 04:51 cait @wunder köln 04:51 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 04:52 eythian @wunder cologne 04:52 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 04:52 eythian @wunder koln 04:52 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 04:52 eythian @wunder kln 04:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Akhiok AP, Akhiok, AK, Alaska is 8.0°C (7:56 PM AKDT on May 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising). 04:52 eythian not quite it... 04:52 BobB lol 04:52 BobB @wunder bergisch-gladbach 04:52 huginn BobB: Error: No such location could be found. 04:53 BobB hrumphh 04:54 cait @wunder Konstanz 04:54 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (6:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 04:54 cait kinda cold 04:55 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 04:55 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:30 PM NZST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 04:55 wizzyrea seems odd-ish that it's warmer here than in Germany 04:56 eythian it's not even 7am there 05:02 cait i don't expect it to get a ot warmer 06:25 ashimema eythian, you still about? 06:38 dcook While not the person you're looking for, hi anyway, ashimema :) 06:38 ashimema Hi dcook 06:38 ashimema how's aus? 06:39 dcook Not too bad at all. Got soaked in the rain last night, so my jacket is still drying...but today was warm enough that I didn't need one anyway :) 06:39 dcook Actually quite warm for this time of year.. 06:39 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 06:39 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (4:00 PM EST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 06:39 dcook How's the UK? 06:40 ashimema yeah, not bad at all at the moment. 06:40 ashimema @wunder steveange, uk 06:40 huginn ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. 06:40 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 06:40 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 9.5°C (7:40 AM BST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:42 dcook salut reiveune 06:42 reiveune salut dcook 06:42 dcook Just about time for the changing of the guard, eh? 06:42 reiveune yep 06:44 ashimema indeed 06:45 ashimema it's nice having such an international community 06:45 ashimema someone to talk too at pretty much any time of day ;) 06:49 reiveune this is great for those that never sleep ;) 07:00 alex_a bonjour 07:00 wahanui what's up, alex_a 07:03 matts hi ! 07:05 * magnuse waves 07:05 * mveron waves back 07:06 magnuse :-) 07:07 * mveron Meeting... 07:09 magnuse have fun mveron 07:09 magnuse @wunder boo 07:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:11 dcook ashimema: It is pretty sweet :) 07:12 ashimema for all us insomniacs.. 07:12 gaetan_B hello 07:13 ashimema though there are occasions when I wish I didn't need to stay up so late to catch some people ;) 07:16 dcook Mmm truth 07:16 dcook Speaking of late, I should head home. Immigration stuffs can wait for tomorrow... 07:17 dcook Am I just procrastinating? Maybe a little bit.. 07:19 magnuse bonjour sophie_m gaetan_B 07:21 sophie_m hello magnuse 07:21 sophie_m hi #koha 07:25 dcook Anyway, I'm oout 07:25 dcook night all 07:25 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back. 07:39 magnuse have fun dcook 07:39 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:39 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 14.1°C (9:39 AM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:39 magnuse nice 08:27 quyen_pq_ Hello expert of koha 08:27 quyen_pq_ somebody can help me 08:28 quyen_pq_ about index zebra of koha 3.12.0 08:28 quyen_pq_ I used vietnamese language 08:58 magnuse icu? 08:58 wahanui icu is a good idea. 09:17 ashimema icu certainly is a good idea.. 09:17 ashimema anyone else getting 'Resource interpreted as Image but transferred with MIME type application/javascript:' with current stable packages? 09:17 ashimema for a couple of the js bootstrap imports? 09:19 magnuse any particular page to look at? 09:19 ashimema all on opac.. 09:19 ashimema looks like the offending lines are <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/enquire.min.js"></script> 09:20 ashimema and <script src="/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/js/script.js"></script> 09:20 ashimema should have a type="" I believe. 09:20 ashimema time for a git blame ;) 09:20 magnuse should it be in the "console" in firebug? 09:20 magnuse wasn't me! 09:20 magnuse ;-) 09:21 ashimema It's in the console on chrome developer tools.. so I imagine it should also be in firebug 09:22 magnuse i can see it in chromium, but not in firebug/firefox 09:22 ashimema interesting.. 09:22 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:23 ashimema maybe it's a chrome/chromium security hardening.. 09:23 ashimema i don't remember having seen it before. 09:24 ashimema oh.. those lines are generated in a very strange way. 09:24 magnuse in firebug you can choose to enable "Show Chrome Errors", but it still does not show anything like Chromium. not sure if they refer to "browser chrome" or "chrome the browser"... 09:25 ashimema pass.. 09:25 ashimema I'll have a play at fixing it.. 09:25 magnuse yay! 09:25 ashimema think it's probably just chrome being really really strict 09:25 magnuse fix all the bugs! 09:39 ashimema @later tell oleonard Could you take a look at bug 12239 pretty please? 09:39 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 10:34 paxed there's no setting or anything to config what columns are displayed in the patron checkouts table? 10:35 paxed (if only the columns were consistently named, hiding them via CSS would be nicer...) 10:52 Joubu paxed: see bug 10212 10:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables 11:04 paxed janPasi: ah. 11:04 paxed bah 11:04 paxed Joubu: ah, ok. 11:04 paxed there's no way to hide branches from the opac library pulldown, right? 11:10 Joubu paxed: no I don't think so 11:30 magnuse paxed: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Hide_branch_from_search_pulldown 11:30 magnuse ...which probably means there is no setting for it 11:32 paxed bug 12242 11:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow hiding branches from the OPAC search pulldowns 11:59 oleonard Hi #koha 12:01 francharb morning 12:02 oleonard ashimema: Does Bug 12239 cause problems other than a warning in the console? 12:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Errors loading script under https in chrome 12:03 ashimema chrome marks the site as unsafe in https.. which a few of our customers don't like at all. 12:03 ashimema otherwise, no it's a minor issue in the grand scheme 12:03 ashimema thanks for taking a look. 12:03 oleonard I've seen that error before. I don't think it's related to https 12:04 ashimema interesting.. 12:04 wahanui it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 12:04 ashimema It's all I can narrow down to on a few sites where chrome marks the https as unsafe. 12:54 * magnuse waves to dpavlin 12:58 oleonard ticketfest... I like the sound of that 13:07 ashimema sounds promising 13:33 francharb HI 13:34 francharb Is EnhancedMessagingPreferences mandatory if I want to send HOLD notices? 13:34 francharb I thought it was 13:34 francharb but if I look in the script, there is just a warn saying it might not send notices. 13:35 francharb It doesnt say, "it will not" so I'm confused... 13:37 oleonard gmcharlt: Is there a reason to have both Bug 11346 and Bug 12233? 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deprecate the PROG and CCSR themes 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove prog and CCSR OPAC themes 14:12 tcohen morning! 14:12 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of cat 14:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12234 - build script version update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=739def89dddf2fda76d998a6eebcb08304aaf3cd> / Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf1935736e33f95a8b1e472d77d39f1e148bf4f> / Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c 14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1753 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:30 user55 @wunder 65201 14:30 huginn user55: The current temperature in Cedar Lake, Columbia, Missouri is 11.5°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 14:30 user55 @wunder houston, tx 14:30 huginn user55: The current temperature in Galena Park, Galena Park, Texas is 19.7°C (9:30 AM CDT on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 14:31 user55 the weather channel says druthb got 5" of rain overnight 14:43 tcohen @leter tell eythian if the user installs on apache2.2 then the instance handling should be done with .conf 14:43 huginn tcohen: I suck 14:43 tcohen huginn: i know 14:43 huginn tcohen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 14:46 user55 ergo, RDA sucks? 14:46 tcohen heh 14:47 oleonard Why is there now a separate "*-messages.po" ? 14:47 oleonard Bug 8044? 14:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Localization for Perl scripts and modules 14:48 oleonard ...but why have the strings in a separate po file? Doesn't that mean the strings will be translated multiple times? 14:52 gmcharlt oleonard: the file is for supporting the translation of strings embedded in Perl code 14:55 gmcharlt as far as why it's in a separate file, it's so that the code that retrieves the translations doesn't have to load /all/ of the strings, just the comparatively tiny subset of strings that simply must be generated from the Perl code 14:56 oleonard gmcharlt: Are there established guidelines for when strings can/should be embedded in Perl? 14:56 gmcharlt oleonard: not yet 14:56 gmcharlt though one obvious case where it's pretty clear that the strings should be in the Perl would be for things like translating the output of command-line jobs 14:59 oleonard ...and as in Bug 11668 where the output is to a file. I get it. 14:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable "Total" in borrowers stats report 14:59 oleonard Thanks 15:08 * cait waves 15:09 gmcharlt hi cait 15:10 * cait survived 15:10 cait :) 15:10 gmcharlt cait++ 15:11 cait now on to the next big project ... 15:11 cait but first travelling home 15:12 cait gmcharlt: i kept saying: this will be in 3.16 a lot 15:12 gmcharlt :) 15:13 cait and people were very intersted to see command line patron import 15:13 cait edifact, acq email sending, acq for elecronitc resources and 15:13 cait hm. 15:14 cait I meant acq order emails 15:14 cait and something else i currently forgot about 15:17 cait lots of things that are actually already planned/being worked on 15:22 cait @wunder Konstanz 15:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on May 13, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 15:47 talljoy ck 15:47 talljoy back that is 15:55 ashimema yikes cait, some of those are on my todo list 15:55 ashimema missed her, damn 16:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1753: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1753/ 16:18 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12206: fix HTML in other holdings list in staff search results page 16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - dependency changes to allow master to build 16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - changelog updates from 3.14 series 16:18 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 12234 - build script version update 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12206 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Malformed HTML in search result other holdings list 16:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12234 blocker, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Package dependency updates for master 16:18 gaetan_B bye! 16:33 bag @later tell trea Happy Birthday dood 16:33 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 17:01 jwellner-Stanwood Hey Brendan, are you available? 17:03 ashimema bag, your beng summoned ;) 17:04 ashimema bag - your beng summoned ;) 17:04 ashimema how can I typo twice in a row.. ack 17:04 * jwellner-Stanwood places incense around the room and lights the candles.... 17:05 ashimema ;) 17:07 bag ashimema++ 17:08 ashimema your welcome 17:08 bag ashimema: it's you're 17:08 bag you are welcome :) 17:11 ashimema indeed, my brain hurts today 17:19 jwellner-Stanwood My side hurts... and head... :) But working on both... :) 17:29 reiveune bye 18:06 * cait waves from another train 18:18 * jwellner-Stanwood waves back! 18:24 cait hi jwellner-Stanwood 20:06 cait @later tell nengard commented on 12331 - hope it helps 20:06 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 21:05 cait hi kathryn 21:06 kathryn hi cait :) 21:08 cait :) 21:19 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 21:23 rangi morning 21:24 tcohen morning rangi 21:31 mtompset Greetings, rangi tcohen. 21:32 rangi so we have the SCO thing on the opac, for self checkout, ... has anyone done a self check in thing for it? otherwise im gonna have to 21:32 mtompset Nope, sorry. 21:41 cait rangi: hm good question, no idea 21:42 cait rangi: looks like there is a return item link 21:43 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.16/en/selfcheckout.html 21:43 cait in the table with the checkouts 21:43 markvandenborre man, what a mess 21:43 rangi oh interesting 21:43 wahanui interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:43 markvandenborre about 40% of the library here has at least some kind of labeling 21:44 cait rangi: AllowSelfCheckReturns 21:44 rangi but you have to login with your card right 21:44 rangi you cant just return an item? 21:44 markvandenborre every pdf has at least five duplicates 21:44 cait haven't tested that - and won#t tonight :) 21:45 markvandenborre at least half has only a timestamp as file name, and no embedded metadata 21:45 markvandenborre it's the digital equivalent of a rubbish heap 21:45 markvandenborre sorry to bother you all with this 21:45 markvandenborre frustration 21:46 markvandenborre it will take a few times more time to clean up the mess than it took to install and configure koha correctly 21:46 markvandenborre thanks again, all of you, for your help 21:46 cait markvandenborre: let it out, it's ok 22:23 eythian hi 22:24 * cait waves 22:24 tcohen hi cait, eythian 22:24 cait hi tcohen 22:24 tcohen good catch eythian # your followup 22:29 eythian ashimema: I wasn't, but I am now 22:30 eythian tcohen: yeah, I figured there was no point nagging people on new installs :) 22:38 tcohen eythian: does apt-get purge remove the user's selection? 22:39 eythian I don't know 22:39 eythian probably not 23:09 mtj interesting FOSS discussion here... 23:09 mtj http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/05/12/2159234/how-to-approve-the-use-of-open-source-on-the-job 23:09 mtj http://opensource.com/business/14/5/negotiate-open-source-on-the-job 23:10 rangi ah yeah saw that yesterday 23:11 mtj woah, i rftm more…, it mentions koha :p 23:12 mtj '"Open Source," "Free [Software]," "Contribute," and "Development" appear to scare managers away. ' 23:13 mtj funny…, those are often word i us to *promote* FOSS ^^ 23:13 rangi its all about gauging your audience and switching words for them 23:13 rangi i dont think any rules actually applie 23:13 rangi apply 23:13 mtj yeah, all true 23:15 mtj hmm… my spelling needs a coffee :) 23:20 eythian I'm fairly sure the koha list is broken 23:20 rangi theres a lot in the archive that i havent seen actual mail for 23:21 rangi http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-May/date.html 23:21 rangi sijobl: are you around by any chance? 23:22 eythian yeah, same here 23:26 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2014-May/039436.html 23:27 mtj "***UNCHECKED*** … it looks borked 23:27 rangi dropped si an email 23:27 mtj awesome :) 23:27 rangi naw, thats just people sending attachments and the virus scanner not liking them, i think there is other stuff going on 23:27 eythian yeah 23:28 mtj aah, ok :) 23:28 rangi i think its probably choked up with whatever fools keeping trying to mass subscribe people 23:28 eythian I've seen my own emails take days to show up 23:30 * tcohen hasn't seen any delays, thou 23:31 rangi youve seen copies of all the mail in the archive? 23:31 tcohen heh, no, but my own 23:31 tcohen (and its responses) 23:31 * tcohen rechecks the archive 23:35 eythian the UNCHECKED thing is a bit weird, I assumed it was one person, but maybe someone at katipo is doing things with the server and virus scanners. 23:35 eythian Whatever's happened, it's not working right. 23:36 mtj yeah, UNCHECKED is happening for many users 23:37 mtj s/many/some/ 23:38 rangi it'll be people with images etc as their sigs 23:41 mtj yeah :)