Time Nick Message 20:14 jcamins That's basically just a general rule. 20:13 talljoy_tickets HA 20:13 jcamins Ah, yeah, you're SOL when it comes to 773s. 20:12 talljoy_tickets and shoving 773 tags into those. 20:12 talljoy_tickets mainly my issue is with host items (analytics). and i think this is going to be a custom export using the C1, C2 and C3 RIS fields. 20:11 talljoy_tickets i've found the koha code. but before i add more, i thought it would be a good idea to see if anyone cared what i shoved into Alternate Name. heh 20:11 jcamins I believe the code is somewhere in C4. 20:11 talljoy_tickets yup i'm digging around and it seems 'loosey goosey' 20:10 jcamins talljoy_tickets: you might take a look at marc2bibtex. 19:37 talljoy_tickets i know it's friday, but is anyone still in that knows if there are any 'rules' for converting marc21 to Bibtex citations? i.e. what tag goes into what output field 19:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12065 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Consistent use of encode_qp when sending basket/shelf 19:21 jenkins_koha Marcel de Rooy: Bug 12065: use encode_qp consistently when sending basket/shelf 19:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1751: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1751/ 18:57 tcohen bye #koha 18:46 tcohen i've just noticed we don't have it, but have '01e' instead 18:46 tcohen is field 019 of any use in MARC21? 18:45 markvandenborre bye 18:45 markvandenborre thx all for the help 18:45 markvandenborre have to run 18:45 markvandenborre I mapped correctly now for unimarc, but still no cigar 18:41 markvandenborre let's hope that is the case... 18:41 markvandenborre ah, it only becomes searchable when the koha mapping biblio.title and biblio.author are filled in maybe? 18:33 markvandenborre koha is so much more heavyweight than what we actually need, but I _will_ kick it into submission 18:32 markvandenborre I'd hoped to have something running by now 18:31 markvandenborre sorry about all these questions, all... 18:26 markvandenborre (so that I can test while certain) 18:26 markvandenborre what is the cleanest way to remove all existing records from koha? 18:24 markvandenborre the intelligent search in the koha interface does help though 18:19 markvandenborre like title, author, ... 18:19 markvandenborre if only there were a way to find out the number for the ten most important bits of information 18:18 markvandenborre aargh, this is such a long list of meta-metadata 18:15 jcamins Though I guess you weren't getting permissions issues. 18:15 markvandenborre yup 18:15 jcamins Then you don't have to worry about it connecting to the database. 18:15 jcamins Actually, just use the MARC field. 18:14 jcamins Title should be fine. 18:14 markvandenborre together with the title one maybe 18:14 markvandenborre so that may be the issue 18:14 markvandenborre that one was the only one that I took without double checking 18:13 markvandenborre ah, that is the one before indeed 18:13 jcamins 100$a is a required UNIMARC field, and it doesn't have composer in it. 18:13 markvandenborre looking at my koha test instance for reference 18:13 markvandenborre and I used those 18:12 markvandenborre ok, but I checked the equivalent unimarc fields 18:12 jcamins Everyone here uses MARC21, so those are the fields we suggested. 18:11 markvandenborre I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused now 18:05 wahanui unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 18:05 jcamins unimarc? 18:04 jcamins No, all the MARC fields. 18:04 markvandenborre you mean for the title field? 18:03 jcamins You'll need to identify appropriate UNIMARC fields to replace the fields. 18:03 jcamins Yeah, those are MARC21 fields. 18:02 markvandenborre was my exact line 18:02 markvandenborre ./csvtomarc.pl --input=/root/metadata_itunes_geraardsbergen.csv --output=/root/bib_gbergen.marc --mapping='titel=title' --mapping='componist=marc:100_a?' --mapping='code=marc:500_2?' --mapping='instrument=marc:500_r?' --mapping='graad=marc:500_n?' --mapping='type=marc:500_x?' --kohaconf=/etc/koha/sites/gbergen/koha-conf.xml --kohalibs=/usr/share/koha/lib --fieldsep=';' --format=usmarc 18:02 jcamins markvandenborre: what field did you put the title in? 18:02 markvandenborre but nothing yet in the web frontend 18:02 markvandenborre on the rebuild zebra command line 18:01 markvandenborre it seems to find all records 18:01 markvandenborre http://pastie.org/9160037 17:58 gmcharlt try a "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -b -f -v instancename" 17:57 gmcharlt right 17:57 markvandenborre ok 17:57 markvandenborre ah, it doesn't rely on zebra? 17:57 gmcharlt yeah, that's a separate search mode 17:57 markvandenborre but using the normal "search" not 17:57 markvandenborre that yields some results 17:57 markvandenborre "cataloging search" 17:57 markvandenborre as I said, I can search the catalog using 17:56 markvandenborre yes 17:56 gmcharlt then let's see if the search engine is running -- is there at least one process called zebrasrv running? 17:55 markvandenborre it seems to be indexing in some way 17:55 markvandenborre gmcharlt: I installed from debian packages 17:55 gmcharlt if not, you'd need to run rebuild_zebra 17:54 gmcharlt markvandenborre: you need to index; if you installed from packages, the relevant cronjob should already be set up 17:51 * markvandenborre reading the manual again 17:47 markvandenborre but search not 17:47 markvandenborre "cataloging search" works 17:47 markvandenborre I was too quick thinking that 17:44 markvandenborre ah, a restart of the catalog helped 17:44 markvandenborre I feel like I am missing something vitally important here, and I have no idea what 17:41 markvandenborre do I need to trigger a kind of indexing in any way? 17:41 markvandenborre is there anything obvious I am missing? 17:40 markvandenborre status for every record says "imported" 17:38 markvandenborre which fails... obviously, I'm missing something here 17:38 markvandenborre so the first thing I try to do is search for them of course 17:37 markvandenborre and added them to the catalog (I think) 17:37 markvandenborre ok, so now I have staged 2702 records for import 17:33 tcohen heh 17:32 jcamins tcohen: yes, but I will never ever suggest someone use bulkmarcimport because I don't want to be responsible for making someone use bulkmarcimport. :P 17:32 tcohen bulkmarcimport accepts MARCXML, doesn't? 17:31 jcamins Right, unless you want to load it into Koha. 17:31 cait marcxml is way easier to read for testing 17:31 jcamins However, if you're using UNIMARC, you'll want to consult the documentation for UNIMARC to figure out what fields to use. I don't know UNIMARC. 17:30 jcamins (which is the name of the binary format that is used for both MARC21 and UNIMARC) 17:30 markvandenborre ok 17:30 jcamins Koha requires usmarc. 17:30 markvandenborre and B<marcxml>. B<marcxml> is the default. 17:30 markvandenborre This is the file format that will be output. Valid options are B<usmarc> 17:30 markvandenborre this is what the csvtomarc.pl manpage says: 17:30 markvandenborre I wonder if that has something to do with the marc dialect 17:29 markvandenborre it only imported one record 17:29 markvandenborre I tried to import what I had reformatted into a running koha instance 17:28 huginn khall: The operation succeeded. 17:28 khall @later tell cait I've left a comment/question for you on bug 9303 17:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #1751 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12214 minor, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , SQL errors in reports are not shown to user 17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Tools: Batch patron deletion code should be improved 17:16 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12214: (follow-up) Clean up reports-toolbar.inc, show Edit link when SQL has errors 17:16 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12214: (follow-up) correct POD of C4::Reports::Guided::execute_query() 17:16 jenkins_koha * Pasi Kallinen: Bug 12214: display SQL errors in reports to users 17:16 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12214: add regression test for reporting error when running report with SQL error 17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11843 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Manual subscription history doesn't seem to work as expected 17:16 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11975: (follow-up) simplify construction of params for GetBorrowersToExpunge() 17:16 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11975: improve the batch patron deletion code 17:16 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11843: (follow-up) fix unit test in t/db_dependent/Serials.t 17:16 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11843: prevent manual history from being overwritten if subscription switched to automatic history 17:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1750: SUCCESS in 2 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1750/ 17:08 chris_n strawberries, even 17:08 chris_n had strawberrys, biscuit, and whipped cream for breakfast 17:07 markvandenborre some really good wine too! 17:07 markvandenborre and (very few people seem to know this) 17:07 markvandenborre and beer 17:07 markvandenborre and cheese 17:07 markvandenborre and strawberries, this time of the year 17:06 jcamins chris_n: ooh, I have paneer saag for lunch. I think I'll go eat. 17:06 markvandenborre chris_n: and chocolate, and witloof 17:05 * chris_n begins to think in terms of pastry and icecream 17:05 jcamins Ah, yeah, that might be. You're in Belgium? 17:05 markvandenborre but if most people here use the other standard, that's worth a lot to me 17:05 markvandenborre I read that Belgium was more into the French flavor... 17:04 gmcharlt but the two main flavors are UNIMARC and MARC21 17:04 jcamins France/Portugal/Spain vs. the rest of the world. 17:04 gmcharlt it's not a strict US vs EU distinction 17:04 gmcharlt yes 17:04 markvandenborre different Marc dialect? 17:04 markvandenborre ? 17:04 markvandenborre versus US 17:04 markvandenborre ah, EU 17:03 huginn gmcharlt: General note 17:03 gmcharlt @marc 500 a 17:03 huginn gmcharlt: unknown tag 500$a 17:03 gmcharlt @marc 500$a 17:03 jcamins markvandenborre: where are you located? 17:03 gmcharlt 500a 17:03 markvandenborre gmcharlt: you mean 500n (misc info) instead of 500a (uniform title) I presume? 17:01 markvandenborre thx 17:01 markvandenborre and saw what you meant 17:01 markvandenborre I just dug in more deeply 17:01 jcamins markvandenborre: I meant there was a good chance a field would already exist, and if not, you can use a related field, or, if there isn't even one that's similar, 500 is good for everything. 17:00 ashimema :) 17:00 markvandenborre cool 17:00 ashimema perls still alive and kicking.. but feel free to re-wrtie koha in python if you have the inclination ;) 17:00 gmcharlt the 500a (general note) is a good catchall 16:59 markvandenborre (or abuse an unrelated field) 16:59 markvandenborre jcamins: or do you mean like that is a place where one could use an unrelated field 16:58 talljoy happy to help markvandenborre 16:57 * markvandenborre has looked at 5xx and not really found anything useful there 16:56 oleonard Then computers are ancient too, but that doesn't mean you have to use the oldest one. 16:56 markvandenborre also, about really nice people like jcamins or cait or talljoy or ... 16:56 * markvandenborre ducks 16:56 markvandenborre ...and perl 16:55 oleonard ...assuming you're talking about MARC and the holds system. 16:55 jcamins That's pretty accurate. 16:55 markvandenborre koha really feels like a very friendly community around really ancient technology 16:54 jcamins Okay. 16:53 markvandenborre jcamins: I had already figured that out more or less 16:53 jcamins markvandenborre: there may be a field for that sort of thing. There probably is, in the 5xx fields. 16:52 bag_away oleonard++ 16:52 oleonard We should really stop letting people believe that Koha can restrict the number of holds a patron can place. 16:52 markvandenborre so let me take an example... instrument 16:52 jcamins The MARC standard should have been retired >20 years ago. Just making it work is enough trouble. 16:52 * jcamins takes a very cavalier attitude toward these things. 16:51 jcamins If you're not a library cataloger, you won't care, so why would anyone else? 16:51 markvandenborre ? 16:51 markvandenborre ...but that would rather be abusing fields 16:50 jcamins You can use any fields for local information, if you're not sharing your records. 16:50 markvandenborre unless I create items then, right? 16:50 markvandenborre ...and presumably, there is no way to keep that local information 16:49 jcamins Well... usually. 16:48 jcamins Exactly. 16:48 markvandenborre ah, an item is a local "instance" of a particular book? 16:47 jcamins Well, that could be an argument for creating items, so you could use the call number field. 16:47 markvandenborre it wasn't applied to every piece of sheet music 16:47 markvandenborre applied locally to the book 16:47 markvandenborre the code is just a label that was (inconsistently) 16:47 jcamins markvandenborre: there's pretty extensive Perldoc, as I recall. But the actual fields you'll have to figure out by talking to your catalogers (or if you're the cataloger, by looking at the standard). 16:46 markvandenborre how would you map an existing unique code to marc? 16:40 markvandenborre by RTFS (reading the ....... source) 16:40 markvandenborre talljoy: thx, just found that out too 16:25 talljoy SHOW is the column heading and it is mapped to the marc tag 245 a. 16:24 talljoy --mapping=SHOW=marc:245_a? 16:24 talljoy this is an example of one of my mapping lines in the csvtomarc script 16:24 markvandenborre :-) 16:24 markvandenborre or, to be correct, German sheet music records 16:24 cait nice 16:24 markvandenborre German sheet music 16:24 cait german records? :) 16:23 markvandenborre marc:100a 16:23 markvandenborre correct, just found information about that in the source of the script 16:23 cait i think you need to tell it the field it goes to - 245a somewhere 16:23 gmcharlt could you point to the one you're using specifically? 16:23 gmcharlt hmm; there are a few scripts of that name running around 16:22 markvandenborre and running csvtomarc.pl with only the 'titel=title' mapping results in something like http://pastie.org/9159718 16:21 markvandenborre somehow, this script "knows" what "title" means 16:19 oleonard khall: I think this is incorrect. 16:19 markvandenborre for use with this koha migration toolbox script csvtomarc.pl 16:19 oleonard khall: So online registration requires that autoMemberNum be turned on, otherwise patrons who register online will be created with no barcode number 16:19 markvandenborre so I'm not entirely sure yet where I can find a list of destination mappings 16:18 markvandenborre is what I get... 16:18 markvandenborre 100a doesn't appear to be a valid Koha field name. 16:17 markvandenborre ok 16:16 markvandenborre as mappings in csvtomarc.pl? 16:16 markvandenborre ? 16:16 markvandenborre so I just use these numbers that I can find in the url that talljoy just gave 16:14 talljoy additional composers/lyricists 700a 16:14 gmcharlt composer = 100a 16:14 gmcharlt title = 245a 16:14 gmcharlt then for the easy ones 16:13 markvandenborre gmcharlt: all sheet music, correct 16:13 talljoy http://oclc.org/bibformats/en/0xx.html is a great resource for marc tags 16:13 talljoy yes your url woud go in th 856u 16:13 gmcharlt are your records all works of musics? 16:12 markvandenborre that stands for url 16:12 markvandenborre and found something like 856u there 16:12 talljoy oh, that is cataloging question. 16:12 markvandenborre I have a url field and I have been looking into koha 16:12 markvandenborre but I don't know the name of the marc field to map this to 16:11 markvandenborre header in the csv file 16:11 markvandenborre so I have a composer 16:11 markvandenborre but I don't know the exact name of the marc side of mappings of the fields 16:11 markvandenborre I understand the syntax, and it's working correctly 16:11 talljoy markvandenborre i've used it before and ethyian is the one who wrote it, if i'm not mistaken. 16:10 markvandenborre but I'm not 100% where to find this 16:10 markvandenborre the csvtomarc.pl tool gives the example of title as something to map 16:10 markvandenborre title, code, level (string), various (string), instrument, composer and (internal) url 16:09 markvandenborre how to map these very basic fields from csv to marc 16:09 markvandenborre I'm looking through all kinds of metadata fields and I'm not really sure 15:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12065: use encode_qp consistently when sending basket/shelf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76e8bb0fabd4a9ef85fd2dc5ad604c446a50f751> 15:23 markvandenborre it seems to be workign 15:23 markvandenborre thx for the hint 15:23 markvandenborre just did that 15:21 jcamins Yeah, that's why the best thing to do is change the separator character the script is using. 15:20 markvandenborre I tried to avoid using commas since some book titles tend to contain them... 15:18 jcamins CSV is generally pronounced "comma-separated values," even though technically it stands for "character-separated values." 15:17 markvandenborre brilliant, thank you 15:17 markvandenborre _ah_ 15:17 jcamins Comma. 15:17 markvandenborre jcamins: I was hoping someone would be able to tell me what separator it was expecting 15:17 markvandenborre it doesn't seem to tell what separator it expects, but indeed... 15:16 jcamins markvandenborre: I can't really troubleshoot, but if I had to guess, I'd say you might not have changed the separator character. 15:16 markvandenborre I'm not a perfect perl reader 15:16 markvandenborre jcamins: any idea? 15:15 markvandenborre code;titel;graad;stuk/studie/methode (string);instrument;componist (string); 15:15 markvandenborre while the first line of that file says: 15:15 markvandenborre Missing column specified in the mapping: titel doesn't exist in migrate.csv 15:14 markvandenborre but for some reason it complains about 15:14 markvandenborre I have all dependencies installed, and I am quite certain I am calling it in the right way 15:14 markvandenborre hm, anyone used csvtomarc.pl before? 15:06 cait hi tcohen 15:05 reiveune bye 15:05 tcohen hi cait 15:02 cait nice 15:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1750 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12214: (follow-up) Clean up reports-toolbar.inc, show Edit link when SQL has... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31781ffb02c3a806e0956ca07dfc24beab0b88dd> / Bug 12214: (follow-up) correct POD of C4::Reports::Guided::execute_query() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d514c21aed640be48dfbc70d3976ec0f865bb370> / Bug 12214: display SQL errors in reports to users 14:45 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.4°C (9:45 AM CDT on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 14:45 rambutan @wunder 64507 14:19 * mveron ...thinks that it could be set to critical or higher... 14:17 oleonard khall: And then you can sign off :) 14:16 mveron Sorry, mistaked, has "Needs Signoff" as status. 14:14 khall thanks! 14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9612 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled 14:13 mveron khall: See Bug 9612 - SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled . A patch that fixes this issue is pushed. 14:05 khall I'm getting bad search results on master: http://i.imgur.com/ff3BorL.png 13:38 markvandenborre jcamins: thank you for the hints 13:38 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 22.1°C (3:38 PM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 13:38 mveron @wunder allschwil 13:38 mveron Good afternoon barton :-) 13:36 barton morning mveron 13:36 barton ashimema: I just made those changes; also I added a 'REGENERATE THE DOM CONFIGS' step -- there should be a link there to any documentation that we have about that. 13:35 mveron Hi #koha 13:32 jcamins You'll have to read the documentation for that script, because you have to do all the mapping on the command line. 13:31 jcamins It generates MARC records which you can load through the Stage MARC Record tool. 13:31 markvandenborre jcamins: so I run the csvtomarc.pl script, and I get a text file that I can import somehow into koha... 13:21 markvandenborre jcamins: /me is looking at the conversion scripts 13:20 markvandenborre and we don't want the physical copies of the sheet music to be used 13:20 markvandenborre the main one 13:20 markvandenborre there is only one branch 13:20 markvandenborre jcamins: no, we don't want that (for the moment) 13:19 jcamins But whether that's what you want to do is a policy decision. If you have multiple branches, or the sheet music exists somewhere physically as well, you might want items. 13:19 markvandenborre the point of course being that all of these will need to be edited (pdf url field needs to be customised) 13:19 markvandenborre ok, I'll try and do that first then 13:18 jcamins I would not add any items. 13:18 jcamins If I had scanned sheet music, all I would do is convert the CSV into MARC and load it into Koha. 13:18 markvandenborre there seem to be quite a few layers of metadata in koha (probably rightly so for many situations) 13:17 markvandenborre jcamins: I was hoping to get a better idea of minimal steps to take 13:16 jcamins Possibly. That's a policy decision. How you want to handle item types, etc. 13:14 markvandenborre but don't I need to define an item type for this kind of thing first? 13:13 wahanui oleonard: I forgot in that case 13:13 oleonard wahanui: forget in that case 13:13 jcamins ^^ there's a csv to marc script in the migration toolbox. 13:12 wahanui well, migration toolbox is https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox 13:12 jcamins migration toolbox? 13:12 jcamins toolbox? 13:12 jcamins koha toolbox? 13:12 jcamins koha tool box? 13:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Make translation toolchain ignore useless translatable strings 13:12 wahanui in that case is preferable thar each text be inside some tag, then it will be picked alone, and not with all %s mess, they are left and removed by Bug 11631 13:12 jcamins markvandenborre: in that case... 13:12 markvandenborre jcamins: I have pulled some csv out of iTunes (don't ask how, it was horrible) 13:11 jcamins There is already a script for converting CSVs to MARC. 13:10 jcamins markvandenborre: you'll need to convert your records into MARC format. You'll probably need to write a script to do that, though if you can get a CSV out of iTunes, you might be able to make use of that. 13:10 markvandenborre asap 13:10 markvandenborre but to keep things as simple as possible in the short term, and to have something up and running 13:09 markvandenborre the goal would be to upgrade this data set in the long term with some extra fields (publisher, ...) 13:08 markvandenborre without wading through piles and piles of metadata fields? 13:08 markvandenborre is there an easy and clean way to import these into koha? 13:07 markvandenborre and pdf document 13:07 markvandenborre the only fields are: title, code, level (string), various (string), instrument, composer 13:07 markvandenborre right now, the only metadata we have is in iTunes (don't ask) 13:06 markvandenborre I have a library of 2702 pieces of sheet music 13:03 barton Yeah, I will, once I've been through it once or twice. I'm still learning... 13:02 ashimema I left it under my username whilst it was a bit crude.. but it sounds like you've got allot of it tidied up nicely now.. 13:01 ashimema feel free to 'publish' it somewhere more sensible if you like. 13:01 ashimema :) 13:01 ashimema it's a while since i've actually followed the instructions to be honest.. I understand it just about well enough to fly by the seed of my pants now ;) 13:01 barton i'll update your wiki page. 13:00 ashimema sounds fair to me barton 13:00 barton I think that it's worth doing a diff after the fact, just to make sure... 12:59 barton ashimema: If you fix the ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml before you run xsltproc, that basically takes care of ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl ... the only changes that I had there were the ones that I wanted. 12:46 tcohen hi magnuse 12:29 tcohen hi ashimema 12:29 tcohen dcookhi 12:28 ashimema morning tcohen 12:28 tcohen morning #koha 12:18 cait hi oleonard :) 12:17 oleonard Hi #koha 12:12 ashimema glad to hear it ;) 12:12 ashimema :) 12:10 jcamins ashimema: yeah, there was a moment of Transendent Moment of Understanding. 12:10 ashimema did I miss anything 12:10 ashimema ack.. my IRC just crashed.. 12:08 barton ok, that makes sense, more or less. 12:05 ashimema I'm sure it's not too bad.. but I've been trying to keep the configs in sync whilst we support both.. and i've found the easiest way was to regenerate and then diff accross the 'special' bits for dom 12:03 jcamins gmcharlt did write some documentation, but I don't remember where it is. It's a pretty straightforward format. 12:03 barton so ... is there someplace that I could read up on regenerating DOM configs? 12:00 ashimema :) 12:00 jcamins Agreed. 12:00 ashimema which reminds me.. I'd like a aptch to ditch all the comments in those dom files at some point.. if w don't want them relating to grs anymore.. then they don't need to be there.. they're just confusing 12:00 barton hm. that slightly rings a bell ... 11:59 ashimema hehe.. yup.. that's how I remember it 11:58 jcamins barton: really? I could've sworn you were part of the conversation when ashimena added the page and I said "STOP!!!! DON'T FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT YOU SHOULDN'T REGENERATE THE DOM CONFIGS!!!" 11:58 ashimema I remember ;) 11:58 ashimema he did.. when I first added that page to the wiki for you ;) 11:57 barton um, jcamins ... actually I *don't* remember you polnting out to me that this was a bad idea... 11:57 ashimema I really aught to take another look at that bug.. we simply can't use QP until that's fixed :'( 11:57 jcamins You said it! 11:56 ashimema hehe :) 11:56 ashimema supression is plain baldy implimented 11:56 ashimema eythian was having similar issues with getting elasticsearch working with supression 11:56 ashimema I'm still stuck on getting QueryParser working with opacsupression though.. 11:56 * barton stands corrected. 11:55 jcamins Also, I've already pointed out to Barton that doing that is a Bad Idea, so there's no one involved in the conversation who might leave with incorrect ideas. 11:55 ashimema hehe.. thanks jcamins.. that's reasonable.. 11:55 barton maybe jcamins hasn't had his coffee yet, either. 11:55 jcamins ashimema: if you want to do something stupid after you *know* it's stupid, I don't really care... it's just when there's a possibility that you're doing something dumb because you don't know any better that I'll point it out. 11:54 ashimema jcamins, surprised you've not shot me down in flames yet ;) 11:54 barton ashimema++ 11:54 ashimema but I'm no pro in writing the DOM config manually.. so I use them and deal with the consequences 11:53 ashimema Jared still won't like them, as he goes on about never ever using those scripts to generate configs again.. 11:53 * cait prefer taming it 11:53 ashimema ok, barton, I've updated the instructions a bit to be more generic 11:53 barton (appoligies to elmer fudd) 11:52 barton kill the zebra, kill the, kill the ZEEEE-BRA!!! 11:52 cait good luck :) 11:52 barton ok. I've got my spear and magic helmet ... 11:48 cait ... it as just too tempting :) 11:48 ashimema haha.. classic typo 11:48 ashimema if you are, you'll deffo need a hacked up version of those additional steps ;) 11:48 barton using yes, suing, no ;-) 11:48 cait why would he sue the dom? 11:48 ashimema Are you suing Dom barton? 11:47 cait hi khall 11:47 khall hi cait! 11:47 cait barton: we also go the full package approach, i think there were some security concerns about git installs in the past 11:47 barton hm. 11:46 ashimema problem is.. those scripts a) create a massive diff due to the comments with linenumber, and B) grs1 and dom haven't been kept in sync well generally.. so they are often mor different than you may expect 11:46 * barton waves at cait. 11:45 * cait waves 11:45 ashimema then I just diff the backup and the newly created ones.. and make sure I've not accidentally dropped anything from the backup that I didn't want to 11:45 barton ok, I think I'll skip them... 11:45 ashimema basically, I run through the step 2 (using scripts to create new dom configs) having taken a backups of the existing ones.. 11:44 ashimema barton: those additional steps are highly frowned upon by Jared.. you have been warned ;) 11:44 barton I've been testing your process against 3.14.05 -- I don't think that my biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml ends up looking like yours... 11:43 ashimema zebra is a complex beast 11:43 cait ping gmcharlt 11:43 ashimema yeah, that's true. 11:42 khall it would also be nice to have a system to add new indexes to the advanced search pulldown, but that's a different ball of wax. We just do it with jquery at the moment 11:42 ashimema mmm. 11:42 ashimema along with the packages patch I've put together it'll allow proper customisation of zebra config all over I beleive 11:42 barton your 'Additional steps for DOM indexing...' section -- you've got a couple of lines that get added to ' ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml' 11:41 khall that is exactly what we've discussed doing as well 11:41 ashimema (I'll sign it off though.. ;) ) 11:41 khall np! ; ) 11:41 barton oh, he's used to it. 11:41 ashimema haha.. sorry khall.. volunteering you ;) 11:40 khall indeed! 11:40 ashimema go ahead 11:40 ashimema My approach would be to append an array (based upon a directive in koha-conf.xml) to the indexes array in Search.pm. sure khall could nock that up in minutes ;) 11:40 barton oh, one more question. 11:40 barton ... although frankly, I've got a pile of zebra index tickets that I'm going to be able to close real soon now... 11:39 ashimema lol 11:39 barton ;-) 11:39 barton who does? 11:39 ashimema but I don't really have the time to do it at the moment. 11:39 ashimema should be sort of straight forward to add a syspref or config option to enable simple additon of indexes to for koha's array.. 11:38 barton well, thanks for the update... that will give larrby, khall and me something to talk aobut today :-) 11:37 barton exactly. 11:37 ashimema it's the last missing step really ;) 11:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Adding a zebra index should be a configuration change. 11:37 ashimema and of course.. your bug 11910 11:36 huginn 04Bug 12216: enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , One should be able to override zebra configuration on a per instance basis 11:36 ashimema may be worth looking at: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12216 11:35 barton right. 11:35 ashimema gitified could be interesting.. as managing the zebra config will be a tad different in terms of all the locations.. 11:34 ashimema in fact, we're now building our own repositories and going the whole pacakge appraoch 11:34 barton but this gives me somewhere to start. 11:34 ashimema yeah, we've been doing that.. 11:34 barton ... but we're also moving toward a gitified package install. 11:33 ashimema :) 11:33 ashimema else your changes won't take effect 11:33 barton right... I think that we do basically the same... 11:33 ashimema the important bit is running through the makefile, make and make upgrade steps.. then rebuilding zebra. 11:33 ashimema which is a dev install using git etc.. so you may need to alter some apths etc.. 11:33 barton nod. 11:32 barton et voila! 11:32 ashimema The command set in there is based on how we install koha though.. 11:32 * barton refreshes wiki/MRenvoize/zebra ... 11:31 barton aha! 11:31 ashimema ok barton, I've lifted the relevant page from our internal wiki now. 11:30 barton Ironically, it's never actually notified me of anything, either. 11:29 barton hense the dbus message above. 11:29 barton I don't think that my irssi 'ring the bell when my name shows up' plugin likes unicode. 11:27 barton heh. 11:26 huginn barton: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 6.9°C (1:16 PM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 11:26 barton @wunder oslo 11:25 magnuse howdy barton 11:23 barton morning magnuse :-) 11:22 barton coffee++ 11:22 magnuse yay! :-) 11:20 * barton has coffee now... Coffee: |==>|................| 20 % <== this means that I'm functional ;-) 11:14 barton so... I've been working through your instructions for updating zebra indexes... you suggest working in kohaclone, then running the 'koha update procedure'... but the link to that is broken. 11:12 ashimema just in a call.. will reply in a minute 11:11 barton not enough coffee yet. 11:11 * barton shakes his head... 11:10 ashimema I'm here barton ;) 11:09 huginn barton: The operation succeeded. 11:09 barton @later tell ashimema there's a broken link on your 'adding a link to zebra' page: 'Updating Koha Install' does not exist on the koha wiki. 11:05 khall mornin all! 11:05 barton morning khall! 11:03 ashimema hi 11:00 barton ping ashimema 10:58 * magnuse hums "it's oh so quiet" almost inaudibly 10:52 ashimema super quiet 10:26 cait hm friday 10:25 cait quiet freiday 08:32 ashimema :) 08:00 cait ashimema: read your pm 07:57 cait morning 07:57 ashimema morning cait 07:54 cait ping gmcharlt 07:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12221 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, NEW , Remove TT statement placeholders from translatable strings 07:48 paxed magnuse: re. trimming placeholders from po-files, see bug 12221 07:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9593 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , Prices not imported correctly from a staged file 07:06 sophie_m khall_away: I only receive now your notification on bug 9593, sorry for not answering before, but I see that now it is pushed 07:02 alex_a bonjour 06:58 sophie_m hello magnuse and #koha 06:58 reiveune hi magnuse 06:58 magnuse hiya sophie_m and reiveune 06:52 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 06:52 reiveune hello 06:42 * magnuse waves 05:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7°C (7:55 AM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 05:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:58 cait h dcook 05:50 dcook yo cait 05:07 cait hi #koha 03:51 eythian http://blog.petflow.com/truly-astonishing-i-had-no-idea-they-were-this-smart-must-see/ <-- honey badgers 03:45 eythian Something I sent on wednesday appeared to only arrive this morning. 03:45 eythian the koha list definitely seems to be playing up. 03:35 rangi heh 03:34 dcook Gotta make sure someone is around to keep rangi in working order :p 03:34 eythian yeah, we talked about rangi :) 03:34 dcook Ack! 03:34 wizzyrea j/k 03:34 wizzyrea I feel ok having a heart attack now. 03:34 eythian (actually, I don't know that my old one expired, but it was getting close.) 03:33 * eythian once again has a valid first aid qualification 03:28 * dcook waves 03:27 eythian hi 02:01 dcook That link tracker is a nice touch 02:01 dcook rangi++ 01:22 * dcook takes a cupcake break. 01:22 dcook Well, maybe they all are. 01:21 dcook Actually, I guess those first few posts would be an easy patch.. 01:17 * dcook is pretty sure he doesn't even sound coherent anymore 01:17 dcook All the patches... 01:17 dcook It groups and deduplicates bib level and item level links, so that you can get them in the results as well.. 01:17 dcook Now I'm remembering why we made a change :p 01:16 rangi sweet 01:16 dcook Sounds good. I'm working on our new Koha, so trying to combine all the changes.. 01:15 rangi and whatever conditions you want 01:15 rangi just select * from linktracker 01:15 dcook Sweet as. Thanks :) 01:15 rangi nope 01:15 dcook Cool. Nothing else involved? 01:14 rangi yep 01:14 dcook So you set the pref, and then you get the data using your own SQL queries from scratch? 01:14 rangi yep 01:14 dcook Actually, while you're around rangi, can you shed some light on the link tracking? 01:13 dcook Thought I'd make folks aware in any case :p 01:12 dcook I have a few re-writes to the XSLT that will come up eventually anyway.. 01:12 * dcook hasn't had breakfast so he might be a bit ornery 01:12 dcook I think Owen was bang on about using the existing pref from the start 01:12 dcook I don't really see the purpose of that syspref anyway. 01:11 dcook Maybe to write the patch. Probably not the test plan though. 01:11 dcook Hehe. I don't know about that. 01:10 rangi you've ranted more than it would take to write a patch :) 01:09 dcook night tcohen! 01:09 dcook Mmm pizza 01:09 tcohen night #koha, pizza time :-D 01:09 tcohen networking issues 01:04 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 01:04 dcook @later tell tcohen Possibly, although we use a non-standard FS layout, so probably not for us. Seems like a worthwhile goal overall though! 01:03 dcook Sorry for spamming everyone 01:03 * dcook is having a mega rant on Bugzilla it seems 00:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , New 'cluster' install mode 00:40 tcohen dcook, as a tar user, do u think you could benefit from bug 11962? 00:36 tcohen there might be some glitches 00:36 tcohen thanks! 00:36 rangi yep ill have a look after lunch 00:36 tcohen i've been focused on the packages 00:35 tcohen rangi, if you have some time would you take a look at https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/tree/bug_11404_apache2.4 ? 00:30 * tcohen hopes he finds the time to publish Memoize::Memcached v1.00 soon 00:29 rangi its a very low barrier to entry, so you could even join the debian perl group and update the modules yourself 00:29 tcohen thanks rangi 00:29 rangi http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/ 00:29 wahanui it has been said that the best thing to do is make the password VERY secure 00:29 rangi the best thing to do 00:28 tcohen btw, how do i ask Debian perl maintainers to update some lib I maintain? 00:28 rangi since we want/need to package upstream perl modules sometimes too 00:28 tcohen :-D 00:27 rangi maybe i could do a packaging tutorial or something at kohacon 00:27 rangi but it doesnt hurt to know about it 00:26 rangi since we are upstream as well, we dont have to do that, we can edit the koha-conf.xml.in file ourselves etc 00:26 rangi i would add the changes i need as a debian patch .. 00:25 rangi say if i was packaging koha, but wasnt a developer of koha 00:25 rangi when you arent the upstream 00:25 rangi you usually do this 00:25 tcohen heh 00:25 tcohen damn rangi, more stuff to read before bed! 00:25 rangi http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html 00:24 rangi i was fixing debian bugs last weekend with debian/patches for stuff, using quilt 00:24 tcohen quilt? 00:23 rangi you can do it with quilt quite easily 00:23 dcook As a non-package user, I'm very interested 00:23 rangi ahh right :) 00:23 rangi so if we can do it, we should 00:23 tcohen i just didn't know it before i read the ppa docs 00:23 * dcook perks up 00:23 rangi however that doesnt help the people using tar 00:23 rangi yep 00:22 tcohen i was just commenting that another approach (rather then supporting everything in the same code) is used too 00:22 rangi if you are building for unstable, you should make it work with the unstable apache 00:22 tcohen exactly 00:22 rangi thats not specific to ppa 00:22 tcohen so i don't need that 00:22 tcohen i already have the patches for it to work with either version 00:22 rangi yeah thats the same with any package 00:21 tcohen so for the same codebase, one provides the patches for (for example) a specific apache version 00:21 rangi only where needed 00:21 tcohen i just noticed that the ppa's expect us to provide patches specific for each dist build 00:20 rangi nope 00:20 dcook Is this Debian's introduction of PPAs? 00:20 dcook tcohen: Well, welcome home belatedly! 00:19 rangi you have to wait for it to get built, and it can be in the queue for hours 00:19 rangi its a lot faster to just build your own packages using the build-git-snapshot and pbuilder .. a lot faster 00:19 tcohen i might set my own just for testing purposes 00:18 tcohen rangi: i don't think the ppa's should substitute our repo, I was thinking more of the way they work and expect us to send our stuff 00:17 tcohen it was a 28 day trip in europe 00:16 tcohen yes, i got back two weeks ago 00:15 dcook I only saw some photos but it looked interesting! 00:15 dcook I was wondering if you were back from your honeymoon ;) 00:15 dcook Sounds like an all right day 00:15 tcohen work + meetings + tennis -> home 00:14 dcook Back home? 00:14 tcohen \o 00:13 dcook o/ tcohen! 00:07 huginn dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 00:07 dcook @$#%^#