Time Nick Message 22:44 cait night :) 22:44 cait ah people, don't forget to have the irc meeting... i am going to sleep :) 22:44 cait pianohacker++ eythian++ 22:44 cait :) 22:43 eythian about this time yesterday 22:43 eythian yeah 22:43 cait ? 22:43 cait ah, so you 2 talked already 22:42 eythian he is. 22:42 cait *confused* 22:42 cait does that mean pianohacker is looking or you are? 22:42 cait hi eythian 22:42 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 22:42 eythian @later tell cait pianohacker is hoping to have a look at packaging stuff for bug 10486, it probably won't be too difficult. 22:37 wahanui it has been said that eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. 22:37 bag heya eythian 22:30 wahanui salut, eythian 22:30 eythian hi 22:21 cait it's quite late here 22:21 cait for a few more mins 22:20 bag cait: you around? 21:51 cait ashimema++ # meeting and lal 20:43 talljoy i do most definitely unlike the unlinked ones. heh 20:31 WNickC poor unliked subfields :-( 20:25 talljoy it looks like unliked_item_subfields=(x......) with all the 'other' subfields that get stored as xml 20:25 talljoy that was my next step to see how koha does it 20:25 cait it probably needs to know th emarc field 20:24 cait maybe you could look at the code in koha that does it? 20:24 cait hmm 20:23 talljoy i've used ModItem a lot to update item data. but not for nonpublic notes. and it's high time i learned to do that. 20:23 talljoy http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Items.html#ModItem 20:23 cait do you have a link? 20:22 talljoy i'm looking at the perldoc for ModItem and have a question on the use for non public notes. (more item subfields). I'm not understanding the optional fourth paramter description in perldoc. anyone know about this? 20:18 * talljoy wonders if it's safe to get comfortable or if i'll be booted. 19:53 tcohen gotta run, have a nice day #koha 19:41 oleonard Bye #koha 19:36 cait chris_n++ 19:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages 19:36 cait bug 12068 19:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9854 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, BLOCKED , Add 'ttf-dejavu*' packages to debian/control file, for label printing (bug 8375) 19:36 cait bug 9854 19:35 tcohen i can't reproduce the errors 19:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Signed Off , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF 19:35 wahanui bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work. 19:35 cait bug 8375 19:35 cait hi chris_n - sorry, totally exhausted right now - i will look up the bugs 19:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 19:35 tcohen @later tell fridolin where is the 3.14.x jenkins run? 19:28 chris_n I'll try to get to 12068 before the end of the week 19:27 * chris_n has also signed off on 9854 19:27 chris_n cait: 8375 looks fine 18:59 cait hi tcohen :) 18:59 tcohen hi cait 18:57 * cait waves 18:35 tcohen bye 18:35 reiveune bye 18:27 barton in this case, close is good enough. 18:27 DaSa It might also be how multiple terms are treated, as a single phrase or as individual terms like by Boolean operators 18:26 barton zebra: clarity of options eclipsed only by breadth and depth of documentation. 18:25 barton mostly because I hadn't thought of the latter. 18:25 barton I was going to guess the former... 18:24 bag doesn't know 18:24 bag my first guess would be - that string is exact and phrase isn't as exact. Or maybe phrase is more than one subfield and string is only one subfield? 18:23 barton I'm still partial to :s = supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness 18:22 barton thanks bag. 18:22 barton I was wondering if it was string, but that seemed redundant. 18:22 barton Hm. I'll have to hit the link to see what the difference between 'Phrase' and 'String' is. 18:21 bag (:w = Word, :p = Phrase, :s = String, :n = Number, default = Phrase) 18:21 bag barton: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MRenvoize/Editing_record.abs 18:20 bag barton how about string 18:18 barton wb oleonard. 18:17 * barton considers that this is actually something that I'm explaining to a partner ... maybe supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness would work ... 18:16 barton spaghetti? stagnation? supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness? 18:15 barton I've got zebra indexes set up by 'w', 'p' and 's' ... 'w' => keyword, 'p' => phrase, 's' => ??? 18:14 barton heh. 18:09 * mtompset chokes, "Quick?! Zebra?!" 18:08 barton quick zebra question: 17:39 oleonard Thanks francharb 17:38 francharb ;) 17:38 francharb I just checked, its the "mark-returned" parameter I was thinking of 17:36 oleonard Okay maybe that's what I was thinking of. 17:36 francharb longoverdue 17:36 francharb but manageable with the script 17:36 francharb oleonard, I think it's not a preference 17:30 oleonard Isn't there a preference for controlling whether an marking an item lost removes it from the patron's checkouts or not? 16:26 tajoli Ok, thank you !! 16:24 wajasu rangi 16:22 tajoli do you know who manage schema.koha-community.org ? 16:22 thd s/wale/wake/ 16:22 thd If I am tired, then I must be awake and must be in the wrong (sleep|wale) state. 16:21 ashimema hehe 16:21 ashimema not too far out by the looks.. only my minor mess up for moving on topic before agreeing at the end ;) 16:21 barton_lunch ashimema: yeah, the clutch is tricky with the meetbot, and you never know how much gas to give it... 16:20 ashimema appologies 16:20 ashimema got a feeling I may need to get those logs cleaned up slightly.. never driven meetbot before.. 16:20 oleonard ashimema++ # thanks for chairing 16:19 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_irc_meeting__part_1.2014-04-23-15.03.log.html 16:19 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_irc_meeting__part_1.2014-04-23-15.03.txt 16:19 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_irc_meeting__part_1.2014-04-23-15.03.html 16:19 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 23 16:19:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 16:19 ashimema #endmeeting 16:19 thd ashimema++ 16:18 ashimema #agreed 21st May for next meeting(s) 16:18 ashimema ok, wanting to bring this to a close now.. only 1/3 time over ;) 16:17 tajoli +1 21 May same times. 16:17 thd +1 21 May same times. 16:17 ashimema +1 16:17 wahanui okay, ashimema. 16:17 ashimema 21st is also good by me.. (and I can make that at the moment ;) ) 16:17 barton ok nevermind. may. 16:17 gmcharlt +1 21 May 16:16 * thd assumed some agenda forthcoming for 30 April -- oops. 16:16 oleonard Wednesday 21 May? 16:15 gaetan_B bye 16:15 oleonard 30 May is a Friday 16:15 gmcharlt oleonard: next week is too soon, but mid-May or late May 16:15 ashimema 1 week is a bit short ;) 16:15 ashimema I only got 30th in the chat ;).. 16:15 barton I don't know if that matters... 16:15 ashimema 30 May, me thinks.. 16:15 barton bywater staff retreat is going on then... 16:15 oleonard Another meeting in 1 week? 16:15 tajoli not 30 May ? 16:14 barton umholdon... 16:14 thd +1 Same times 30 April 16:14 ashimema +1 from me, though I personally can't make it 16:13 ashimema gmcharlt suggest same times on the 30th 16:13 ashimema #Topic Date of next meeting. 16:13 ashimema ok, moving on again then.. 16:12 ashimema i facny that'll be more for the part 2 of this meeting.. if there are any? 16:12 ashimema did anyone have any anouncments then? 16:12 ashimema hehe.. 16:11 barton sorry. will shutup now. 16:11 barton How 'bout a 'depricated()' method in C4/Dates.pm. 16:11 ashimema can we now move on.. pretty please.. :) 16:11 thd +1 Changing the guidelines and adding an unmissable comment to the code.. 16:10 ashimema #agreed Add 'Deprecate C4/Dates.pm to coding guidlines' 16:10 ashimema hell, lets go for it. 16:10 thd +1 16:09 ashimema I'm happy to add it to the Coding guidlines if we agree.. 16:09 ashimema +1 to gmcharlt's suggestion 16:09 gmcharlt *here 16:09 * gmcharlt is not really hear 16:09 ashimema funny how peopel pipe up when you decide to move on ;).. works a charm 16:09 gmcharlt a commit adding a big "DO NOT USE" to C4/Dates.lpm would also be good 16:09 ashimema +1 16:08 ashimema yeah, we should reflect the change 16:08 oleonard ashimema: Did we arrive at an #agreed on that one? 16:08 thd +1 16:08 ashimema good spot thd.. 16:08 thd Has it not already been deprecated and is the issue not more about updating the coding guidelines to reflect that? 16:08 ashimema #Topic Big stuff we are working on 16:08 ashimema and moving on again 16:07 tcohen +1 16:07 ashimema anyone else? 16:07 ashimema +1 16:07 Joubu +1 for deprecating C4/* 16:06 ashimema (first I've spotted this :S) 16:06 ashimema Does everyone agree on deprecating C4::Dates? 16:06 ashimema #Topic Additions to Coding guidelines 16:06 ashimema so.. shall we move on.. 16:05 liw ashimema, thanks; do continue the meeting 16:05 ashimema actually.. i think it's all there. 16:05 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.198 pasted "thread" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11 16:05 ashimema that's one thread.. but it morphed into another which i'm trying to find. 16:04 ashimema http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040430.html 16:04 ashimema I'll dig it out liw 16:04 ashimema adn.. we're no in overtime for the meeting chaps. 16:03 liw if someone can give me a URL to the email thread, I'll respond to that when I can 16:03 ashimema lets have a chat at a more appropriate moment maybe.. get the key players in packages together. 16:03 tcohen liw: i'd be great to discuss it whenever you have time to do it 16:03 liw (I made the .deb packages originally, though I haven't been involved in years) 16:03 ashimema ooh.. lars. didn't know he still lurked.. 16:02 tcohen lars 16:02 ashimema liw, whose liw.. forgive my ignorance 16:02 ashimema how would you 'deprecate' a version tcohen? 16:02 * liw pipes in and says he'd be happy to discuss the apt repository setup if that'd be helpful, but not right now since he's at work and busy with things 16:02 tcohen i'm in favour of using "3.12" "3.14" and so on instead 16:01 ashimema then trying to keep those inline with our verisoning instead of confusing people with squeeze, wheezy stuff. 16:01 thd squeeze forever :) 16:00 ashimema there was a conversation about switching the repository to testing, stable and oldstable.. 16:00 ashimema just trying to dig it out.. 16:00 tcohen we where in 3.12.5 when 3.14.0 overwrote 'squeeze' 15:59 tcohen paul_p: we call 'squeeze' the stable version 15:59 tcohen ashimema: i missed it as well 15:59 ashimema good point tcohen.. there was a mail thread aobut that too i think 15:59 paul_p channel/pocket schema ??? 15:58 tcohen we could add to the mix the fac tthat the current channel/pocket schema in the Debian repo makes people inadvertedly shift version too soon 15:58 paul_p (to me) 15:58 paul_p ashimema = 18 months sounds a good duration. 15:58 tajoli In fact is the today situation 15:58 ashimema which is about what we've got ;) 15:58 ashimema 18-24 months is 3-4 releases.. 15:57 tajoli For me as comunity i think we need encouraging people to step up around 18-24 months. LTS si for paid costumers 15:57 ashimema I actualyl have very little idea of what versions are in the wild outside of our own comapny ;) 15:57 ashimema I think the stats stuff will be usefull to tell us our demographic better too.. 15:56 thd Despite the truth of needing a maintainer to volunteer, we might have an official community position that the community strives to maintain the previous X release for period Y. 15:56 ashimema oleonard++ exactly my thoughts 15:55 oleonard I think the point is that if we *want* to adopt a more rigid release/support pattern then we can do more to convince folks to take on the role. Still no guarantee though. 15:55 ashimema likewise 15:55 ashimema ;) 15:55 paul_p ashimema = for 3.14, I alsmot can guarantee you'll get a RMaint for the next 12 months, because we're deploying it a lot ;-) 15:55 ashimema having volunteers, or encouraging people to step up? 15:54 thd paul_p++ 15:54 paul_p ashimema = I fear it's all related to having a volunteer to maintain ! 15:54 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 15:54 ashimema anyone? 15:54 ashimema security only fixes, and bug fixes.. 15:54 ashimema to me there's also two levels of support.. 15:54 ashimema in terms of.. how long we should support our cycle.. 15:53 ashimema I think the bigger question here is 'Should we adopt a more rigid release/support pattern' 15:53 cait i have to run :) - be good for ashimema #koha 15:52 ashimema right.. so release maintainers.. 15:52 ashimema ++ 15:52 thd paul_p++ 15:52 paul_p chris_n that's my feeling & what I'd like to see on Koha ! 15:51 thd paul_p: I completely agree I merely nopte the risk so that we can be aware of it. 15:51 cait I think his definition covers the current role well 15:51 chris_n paul_p: probably the MM is a mini-RM for a given module with similar RM prerogatives limited to a given module 15:51 cait linking to an email from gmcharlt on the mailing list 15:51 paul_p thd= ok, so you mostly agree with me, right ? ;-) 15:50 cait #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-April/040420.html 15:50 thd paul_p:The task of RM is very large and motivates using MM, similarly the task of QA, consequently I think that your thought about MM merging somewhat with QA is a good one despite risks of insufficient independence. 15:50 ashimema +1 15:50 cait #topic Discussion: Role of Release maintainers 15:50 paul_p +1 15:50 cait hm maybe we should move on and leave at that for now? 15:48 paul_p thd (not sure I understand what you mean) 15:47 thd s/volume/volume of patches/ 15:47 thd paul_p: I think that it is a necessary risk to cope with the volume well. 15:47 paul_p thd = OTOH, if adding MM is only adding one step, I think/fear it won't improve our workflow. 15:47 chris_n I think if MMs are ever to direct push, they will need to QA also to some extent 15:47 tcohen this is a matter of trust and communication 15:47 cait i will move the topic if that's ok? 15:46 cait :) 15:46 tcohen nothing ever gets pushed without a lot of eyes on it 15:46 thd paul_p: I think that your sus excellent and of course the RM should decide. I merely see the possibility of risk for not enough independent examination in merging MM with QA. 15:46 ashimema +1 to communication 15:46 ashimema communication is key.. :) 15:46 * paul_p remember his honeymoon, 20 years ago... 15:46 cait we will have overlap, but let's give it a try to get otherson board for testing 15:45 tcohen thanks paul_p 15:45 cait I'd like MM not to replace QA 15:45 paul_p maybe we should let tcohen some time to be back, and talk about that in the next days 15:45 tcohen and i don't think this should prevent scrutiny from other QA members 15:45 tcohen as i see it, MM should be part of the QA team, and the ones responsible of integrating the patches fr their modules for pulling 15:44 paul_p tcohen welcome back 3.18 RM !!! 15:44 cait +1 15:44 paul_p well, it was just a question/suggestion. and my main feeling is that it's the RM that should decide ! 15:44 bag welcome back tcohen :) 15:44 cait heh 15:43 ashimema I hadn't thought about that side.. good idea.. give people the tools to fish and they'll feed themsevles froever ;) 15:43 tcohen thd: i've just read the ongoing discussion (i've just arrived Cordoba from a month abroad) 15:43 cait ldap, sip, packages, etc. 15:43 ashimema perfect bag.. 15:43 cait everything server side is a bit hard to get people on 15:43 thd paul_p: Would there be a danger of reduced review in your thought? 15:43 cait :) 15:42 bag also for something with LDAP/SIP which I volunteered for - it's hard for people to test - so ideally I will help provide a testing suite to help, move things along 15:42 paul_p (time passes so quickly...) 15:42 cait thd: hm i think that goes into a very similar direction as the question before 15:42 paul_p thx to call me thd ! 15:42 ashimema agreed cait, where there's not a lack of expertise, then get as many eys on the ball as possible... and as bag says, that's part of the MM's job.. to promote poeple looking at bugs in their area. 15:42 paul_p hey, I missed the start of the meeting ! 15:41 thd tcohen: Do you have any comment about the thought from paul_p that a module maintainer is automatically part of the QA team for that module? 15:41 cait communicate :) 15:41 cait i think i like that idea - havign someone being responsible for an area, taking care no kittens get lost, prioritize etc 15:41 tcohen bag++ 15:41 cait bag++ 15:41 cait ashimema: i agree about that for some areas, other areas like holds and circs often can't have enough eyes on them 15:41 ashimema bag++ 15:40 bag yes - MM has a good idea of what's important to get push to "help" his module. I view my role would be to help encourage others to test and QA patches in "my" module... so things don't get lost. Encouragement - then once it's all good - communicate with the RM to say it's important and has passed all steps :) 15:40 ashimema agree with chris_n, it's often hard to find the expertise for certain area's in koha.. diluting the pool by removing the MM from QA for their module would just make that harder.. 15:39 tcohen which as RM i'd pull. I really hope i can do it well regarding to communication 15:39 * chris_n would suggest that MMs be able to QA within their module as well 15:38 tcohen as I expressed before, the main help will be integrating patch series into topic branches 15:38 ashimema yup.. 15:38 tajoli I'm agree with tcohen 15:38 tcohen my thought is that MM are people that have a deep insight on the problems related to a specific module 15:37 * cait agrees 15:37 ashimema I think tcohens 'Communication would be key' sums up my thoughts on Module maintainers. 15:37 cait I made the topic, i can't force you all to discuss :) 15:36 ashimema :) 15:36 cait ashimema: thx:) if you could take over at around :50 that would be awesome 15:36 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:What_does_a_module_maintainer_do 15:36 ashimema I'll take over if you have to go cait ;) (assuming I can remember any irc commands) 15:35 cait on the agenda is a link to the discussion page in the wiki, with some opinions about this 15:35 cait another typo, gr. 15:35 cait #topic Discussion: Role of Module Maintainrs 15:35 * barton is stayin' the distance. 15:35 ashimema maybe not.. but worth starting ;) 15:35 cait hm let's see:) 15:34 cait i am not sure we wll make the whole agenda in the time remaining 15:34 cait :) 15:34 tcohen koha+ 15:33 cait community++ 15:33 thd I still control my autopilot even in my sleep. :) 15:33 ashimema I'll get athaei to volunteer before the seocnd meeting ;) 15:33 cait We got a release team 3.18 :) 15:33 tajoli :) 15:33 cait done! 15:33 cait #agreed Bug wranglers... Zeno Tajoli 15:33 tcohen +1 # eythian, missed that 7 15:33 Joubu +1 15:32 cait +1, gmcharlt +1 15:32 cait ah wahanui... 15:32 tcohen +1 15:32 wahanui okay, cait. 15:32 * cait thinks oleonard is also a bug wrangler 15:32 oleonard :) 15:32 cait ok, isee you people are on auto pilot by now :) 15:32 edveal +1 15:32 thd +1 all volunteers 15:32 nengard +1 15:32 wahanui well, Zeno Tajoli is the person who has introduced UNIMARC italian support into Koha 15:32 cait #candidate: Zeno Tajoli 15:32 oleonard +1 15:32 talljoy +1 15:32 khall +1 15:32 cait any last minute wranglers? :) 15:31 thd +1 15:31 cait our list of bug wranglers is quite short this time 15:31 cait #topic Bug Wranglers 15:31 cait #agreed Packaging manager is Robin Sheat 15:31 barton +1 15:31 oleonard +1 15:31 rocio +1 15:31 bgkriegel +1 15:31 cait also eythian++ packages++ 15:31 talljoy +1 15:31 tajoli +1 15:31 Joubu +1 15:31 cait +1, gmcharlt +1 15:31 ashimema +1 for Robin.. 15:31 cait almost done, hang on everyone :) 15:31 JesseM +1 15:31 bag +1 15:31 thd +1 15:30 marcelr +1 15:30 cait #info candidate is Robin Sheat (eythian) 15:30 tajoli :) 15:30 cait #topic Packaging manager 15:30 cait #agreed Database documentation manager is Zeno Tajoli 15:30 khall +1 15:30 talljoy +1 15:30 bag +1 15:30 bgkriegel +1 15:30 ashimema +1 15:30 edveal +1 15:30 Joubu +1 15:29 barton +1 15:29 tcohen +1 15:29 JesseM +1 15:29 oleonard +1 15:29 cait hm +1 15:29 thd +1 15:29 cait #1, gmcharlt +1 15:29 nengard +1 15:29 cait #info candidate is Zeno Tajoli 15:29 cait #topic Database documentation manager 15:29 cait but I don't expect too many changes :) 15:28 cait hmwondering if the election is official before the second meeting? 15:28 cait #agreed QA team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Brendan Gallagher, Paul Poulain, Julian Maurice, Jonathan Druart, Galen Charlton, Kyle M Hall 15:28 rocio lol barton 15:28 rocio +1 to all 15:27 barton (and all for 1) 15:27 ashimema +1 to all 15:27 barton +1 to all. 15:27 cait +1 from gmcharlt as well 15:27 cait +1 to all of them! 15:27 cait #info Candidates are: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Brendan Gallagher, Paul Poulain, Julian Maurice, Jonathan Druart, Galen Charlton, Kyle M Hall 15:27 nengard +1 15:27 Joubu +1 15:27 edveal +1 to all 15:27 talljoy +1 15:27 tajoli +1 to all 15:27 tcohen +1 all 15:27 chris_n +1 to all 15:27 marcelr +1 15:27 oleonard +1 to all 15:27 JesseM +1 to all 15:27 thd +1 all we can have 15:26 cait long list of candidates - let's keep the queue small :) 15:26 cait #topic Quality Asssurance Team 15:26 cait thx all :) 15:26 thd nengard++ 15:26 marcelr +1 for cait 15:26 tcohen :-D 15:25 cait #agreed Katrin Fischer will be Quality Assurance Manager 15:25 nengard no problem! 15:25 cait sorry, had scrolled too far 15:25 cait yep, will fix after qa assistants 15:25 nengard cait we skipped the DB doc manager (just a reminder to go back) 15:25 mario +1 15:24 rocio +1 15:24 JesseM cait++ 15:24 bgkriegel +1 15:24 thd +1 15:24 JesseM +1 15:24 tcohen +1 15:24 khall +1 15:24 thd ashemima: Yes, it could become a penal sentence 15:24 chris_n cait++ 15:24 talljoy +1 15:24 bag cait++ 15:24 ashimema +1 for cait 15:24 Joubu +1 15:24 Joubu cait++ 15:24 barton +1 15:24 ashimema cait++ 15:24 bag +1 15:24 edveal +1 15:24 oleonard +1 for cait! 15:24 chris_n +1 15:24 nengard +1 15:24 cait #info candidate: Katrin Fischer (cait) 15:23 edveal #info edveal ByWater 15:23 cait #topic Quality Assurance Manager 15:23 nengard :) 15:23 cait #agreed New Documentation manager - Nicole Engard (nengard) 15:23 tcohen +1 15:23 khall +1 15:23 marcelr +1 15:22 tajoli +1 15:22 bgkriegel +1 15:22 ashimema +1 15:22 thd +1 15:22 ashimema life term ;) 15:22 Joubu +1 15:22 ashimema nengard++ 15:22 bag +1 15:22 chris_n nengard++ 15:22 JesseM +1 15:22 barton +1 15:22 * nengard too 15:22 oleonard +1 15:22 talljoy +1 15:22 cait +1, gmcharlt +1 15:22 chris_n +1 15:22 oleonard I thought nengard had been elected for a lifetime term :P 15:22 cait please vote :) 15:22 cait #info candidate is Nicole Engard (nengard) 15:21 cait #topic Documentation manager 15:21 cait #agreed New old translation manager is Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel) 15:21 thd +1 15:21 khall +1 15:20 nengard +1 15:20 bgkriegel thx :) 15:20 chris_n +1 15:20 cait and +1, gmcharlt +1 15:20 talljoy +1 15:20 cait bgkriegel++ # great work! 15:20 tcohen +1 15:20 Joubu +1 15:20 ashimema +1 Bernardo 15:20 JesseM +1 15:20 tajoli +1 15:20 marcelr +1 15:20 oleonard +1 15:20 bag +1 15:20 cait #info candidate is Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel 15:19 cait #topic Vote on Translation manager 15:19 ashimema nah, the other half's gotta have some say bag ;) 15:19 cait #agreed All module maintainers elected (see wiki) 15:19 marcelr ashimena: you can always enter QA but never leave :) 15:19 bag ashimema: aren't you the boss of yourself 15:19 cait ok, ready for an agreed? :) 15:19 tcohen Joubu++ 15:19 ashimema Joubu++ 15:19 cait yeah, extra cookies for Joubu :) 15:19 thd +1 sll 15:19 ashimema was thinking I might persuade the boss to let me do both ;) 15:18 bag heh Joubu++ 15:18 Joubu +1 for others, -1 for me (Acq will be a pain...) 15:18 marcelr do not leave QA, ashimena 15:18 ashimema +1 for all those who stepped up, good show 15:18 ashimema I was tihnking of volunteering for a module next time around.. but sticking to QA this time 15:18 marcelr +1 for all MM 15:18 cait +1 for chris_n :) 15:17 * chris_n volunteers to keep riding herd on label, et. al. 15:17 talljoy +1 15:17 oleonard +1 for module maintainers 15:17 bag no vote for myself --> but +1 for the rest 15:17 JesseM +1 15:17 nengard +1 15:17 cait I am going to not list all in the agreed - please forgive me for that :) 15:17 cait +1, gmcharlt +1 15:17 cait thx to all who volunteered for being module maintainers 15:16 tcohen +1 15:16 ashimema +1 15:16 ashimema sounds fair to me.. 15:16 khall agreed 15:16 cait probably only security updates now 15:16 marcelr i would focus on 3.12, khall 15:16 ashimema the whole LTS and support length is another conversation really.. 15:16 tajoli very good khall 15:16 khall I expect updates to 3.10 will be rare, and 3.8 even more so 15:16 JesseM khall++ 15:15 khall 3.8 has not needed an update in many months, I would be willing to work on 3.12, 3.10 and 3.8 if needed 15:15 cait because it looked like that would go eol for a bit too 15:15 tcohen khall++ # lots of stuff 15:15 nengard khall++ 15:15 talljoy khall++ 15:15 bag khall++ 15:14 ashimema khall++ indeed 15:14 oleonard khall++ 15:14 cait i am quite glad khall stepped up for 3.12 actually 15:14 cait oleonard: so far noone stepped up, i think we could still have somoene elected later 15:14 cait #agreed .. and that would be Galen Charlton for 3.16! 15:13 oleonard So no more official support for 3.10 or 3.8? 15:13 cait thx 15:13 cait oh typoed 15:13 cait #info Candidates are...on the wiki 15:13 tcohen gmcharlt 3.16 15:13 Joubu s/3.14/3.16 15:13 cait #topic Vote on Module maintainers 15:13 cait #agreed Release maintainers are Galen Charlton (gmcharlt, 3.14), Fridolin Somers (3.14) and Kyle Hall (khall, 3.12) 15:12 tcohen +1 all 15:12 bgkriegel +1 all 15:12 thd +1 all 15:12 tajoli +1 for all three 15:12 bag +1 15:12 tcohen +1 15:12 oleonard +1 15:12 cait cait: +1, gmcharlt: +1 15:12 ashimema +1 to all three 15:12 JesseM +1 15:12 nengard +1 to all three 15:12 Joubu +1 15:12 chris_n +1 15:12 talljoy +1 15:12 cait please vote :) 15:12 marcelr +1 for all three of them 15:11 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger FBC 15:11 tcohen i know i'll do my best 15:11 cait #info Candidates are: 3.16: Galen Charlton, 3.14 Fridolin Somers, 3.12 Kyle Hall 15:11 tcohen thanks for your support #koha 15:11 ashimema sorry.. menna say congrats ;) 15:11 chris_n +1 15:11 nengard heh 15:11 cait #topic Vote on Release Maintainers 15:11 ashimema you poor bugger tcohen.. 15:11 JesseM congrats tcohen 15:11 cait tcohen++ 15:11 nengard congrats 15:11 cait congratulations! :) 15:10 thd +1 tcohen 15:10 mario #info Mario Guilin ByWater Solutions 15:10 cait #agreed Release manager for 3.18 is: Tomas Cohen Arazi (tcohen) 15:10 bag_confcall +1 15:10 bag_confcall #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 15:10 tajoli +1 for tcohen 15:10 thd +1 15:10 cait the +1 for gmcharlts applies to all votes today :) 15:10 JesseM +1 for tcohen 15:10 nengard +1 for tcohen 15:10 wahanui okay, cait. 15:10 cait I am also going to add: gmcharlt: +1 15:09 rocio #info Rocio Jordan ByWater Solutions 15:09 bgkriegel +1 15:09 cait +1 15:09 cait #info Candidate: Tomas Cohen Arazi 15:09 Joubu +1 15:09 oleonard +1 for tcohen 15:09 talljoy +1 15:09 ashimema +1 for tcohen 15:09 marcelr +1 for tcohen 15:09 cait #topic Vote on RM 15:09 tcohen heh 15:09 cait i was thinking RM :) 15:09 marcelr :) 15:09 cait heh 15:09 talljoy :-D 15:09 talljoy QA 15:09 cait so let's start with a vote on the most important role :) 15:09 cait roles it is 15:09 cait ok :) 15:08 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_23_April_2014 15:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France 15:08 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 15:08 ashimema roles.. 15:08 tajoli roles 15:08 cait i linked the roles above, the agenda is here 15:08 talljoy roles 15:07 ashimema I better find the agenda then, jsut in case ;) 15:07 barton #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY, USA 15:07 cait can i get a qiuck preference? 15:07 cait vote on persons (p), roles (r) and the total release team (t) 15:07 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions 15:07 cait we have different options here 15:06 cait ok 15:06 cait or i fall off the free wifi 15:06 cait just in case this takes longer ;) 15:06 cait ah :) 15:06 huginn Current chairs: ashimema cait 15:06 cait #chair ashimema 15:05 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.18 15:05 cait #topic Elections - Release Team 3.18 15:05 ashimema go for it cait.. 15:05 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 15:04 cait i'd like to start with the elections as a first item for today 15:04 cait if someone knows, please pm me 15:04 cait i wonder if the meeting bot allows a second chair? 15:04 bgkriegel #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, UNCordoba 15:04 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA (Italy) 15:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:03 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 15:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 15:03 talljoy #info Joy Nelson - ByWater Solutions 15:03 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba 15:03 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater 15:03 cait please introduce yourself with #info 15:03 marcelr #info Marcel 15:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 15:03 cait #topic Introductions 15:03 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA 15:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'dev_irc_meeting__part_1' 15:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 23 15:03:12 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03 cait #startmeeting Dev IRC Meeting, part 1 15:03 cait noone vetoes.. so i am going to start it :) 15:02 cait this is the dev meeting and we are holding elections today 15:02 jwagner My calendar said there was a meeting, is the the normal monthly one or something else? 15:02 cait is that ok? 15:02 cait gmcharlt asked me if i could chair - but we will make it a quick 1 hour meeting then 15:02 cait ok 15:01 thd +1 15:01 ashimema +1 15:01 tcohen +1 15:00 cait anyone here for a meeting? 15:00 cait wiki claims it's meeting time... 14:59 wahanui hey, cait 14:59 cait hola 14:56 cait-m__ brb 14:48 cait-m__ hm meeting bus first - need my laptop :) 14:44 cait-m__ might be 5 mins late 14:44 cait-m__ but have to get off the bis firsr 14:43 cait-m__ i will be around for the neeting 14:34 oleonard Hm. Kitty socks. 14:32 sylvar Well, I got here through KiTTY/SOCKS5, so I should politely drop my tunnel now that I don't strictly need it. Thanks, all! 14:31 jcamins Oh, I see. 14:31 ashimema pass was to sylvar and what we have as an equiivlent 14:31 ashimema yeah, happy to spread it.. 14:30 jcamins ashimema: it's a great phrase! 14:30 ashimema pass 14:29 * oleonard tasks ashimema with promulgating "SOL" throughout the British Isles 14:29 sylvar If I'm understanding correctly, the British equivalent is "and then you're lucked out". But in US English, we say "I really lucked out" when we roll a natural 20. 14:29 * ashimema is a silly brit 14:28 ashimema cheers 14:28 ashimema haha.. I see 14:28 sylvar ashimema: yes, 'shit out of luck'. 14:27 ashimema SOL. what that.. an americanism? 14:27 jcamins ashimema: yeah, it works... until someone else is doing something, and then you're SOL. 14:26 ashimema jcamins to the rescue 14:26 sylvar jcamins++ I have my MLS and my wife is getting hers in a week and a half, but she regrets her limited ILS experience and I want to show her Koha. 14:26 ashimema really? 14:25 jcamins ashimema: yeah, but OpenVZ + Koha = :( 14:25 ashimema there are other of simlar style.. 14:25 ashimema these guys offer super tiny vm's: http://tinyvz.com/ 14:25 jcamins (PMing more information) 14:25 jcamins sylvar: possibly. If you're in the US or Canada and a librarian (or library student, or can make a convincing argument that you should be considered to be like a librarian), you'd be eligible for our DaredevILS program. 14:24 sylvar ashimema++ that's the backup plan 14:24 ashimema sylvar: you could get some pretty cheap hosting and install your own though? 14:23 ashimema sylvar: not that I know of, sorry. 14:22 sylvar Hi all! Are there any vendors offering a free/cheap Koha hosted installation for hobbyists? I know there are community demo servers, but was thinking of a summer project with a bit more data continuity. 14:18 marcelr commit says: if the user has neither of them, there is 1 new message: 1 print. (If the user disabled sms and email, he will have 0 messages) 14:16 marcelr Yes I saw that (print is a fallback for the other mtt there) 14:16 Joubu marcelr: look at the C4::Reserves l.1926 14:14 marcelr I will read it again :) 14:14 Joubu sorry 14:14 Joubu marcelr: ok, looking at the code, the commit message is correct :) 14:12 gmcharlt Joubu++ 14:10 Joubu marcelr: it seems to be wrong... 14:09 Joubu marcelr: It's useless to generate a print message 14:09 marcelr ok so the commit message is wrong? 14:08 Joubu marcelr: no sorry. It's the expected behavior 14:05 marcelr the results are empty then 14:05 marcelr it is not in the results of GetMessageing Prefs 14:05 Joubu it should 14:05 Joubu hum 14:03 marcelr (as promised in the commit message) 14:03 marcelr if I disable sms and email, I do not get a print notification 14:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10845 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for holds 14:03 marcelr Joubu: still another question on bug 10845 ;) 13:57 oleonard :) 13:56 Joubu wip 13:56 Joubu oleonard: will be possible shortly: https://github.com/joubu/bz-splitter ;) 13:50 oleonard Hey you guys I had a great idea! http://imgur.com/aAAx8qU 13:37 marcelr ok resolved 13:35 marcelr i guess not 13:35 Joubu marcelr: did you fill the smsdriver pref? 13:31 marcelr how do I enable sms for hold_filled? 13:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10845 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for holds 13:31 marcelr bug 10845 13:30 wahanui i guess Joubu is not his irc name? 13:30 marcelr Joubu? 13:29 Joubu gmcharlt: done 13:15 oleonard Or the patch writer included some fancy-schmancy French word in the commit message 13:14 oleonard Thanks Joubu 13:14 ashimema what Joubu said ;) 13:14 ashimema one of the signoffer/author has an unlaut or somthing in their anme oleonard 13:14 Joubu oleonard: you can attach this kind of patch without the -e param 13:13 tcohen oleonard: it has a problem with unicode 13:12 oleonard Am I doing something wrong? Trying to git-bz attach a patch and I get that error 13:10 oleonard UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 352: ordinal not in range(128) 13:10 oleonard git bz has a problem with unicode? 13:05 Joubu gmcharlt: yes, I will do it 13:03 gmcharlt Joubu: could you or one of your colleagues provide a follow-up for 11351 to add French translations? 13:01 tcohen oleonard: yes 13:01 wahanui salut, tcohen 13:01 tcohen hi 12:53 chris_n will do 12:53 cait chris_n: i suggest leaving a note on the bug, bgkriegel is normally fast answering 12:51 chris_n k, tnx 12:50 cait hm i am not sure and can't check right now - sorry 12:50 chris_n or should they be below <config> 12:50 chris_n cait: the <ttf> tags should be just inside the <yazgfs> tags, right? 12:48 cait i think he might now much more than i do :) 12:48 cait bgkriegel: ? 12:48 chris_n syntax is a killer sometimes :-) 12:48 cait no idea then right now sorry :( 12:48 chris_n I'll go over it all again 12:47 chris_n :-P 12:47 chris_n seems to be ok 12:47 cait and mabe check the paths? 12:47 chris_n they are installed as well 12:47 cait dejavu? 12:47 chris_n per the notes on the bug 12:47 cait hm i think you might have to install the package with the fonts 12:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12105 - Remove duplicated plugin jquery.dataTables.columnFilter.js <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45ce7431d42cd470d7f7326d8935333014b1f62c> 12:47 chris_n yes 12:47 chris_n is there anything special about the xml to add to the conf file? 12:47 cait do you have the mappings in your kohaconf.xml? 12:47 cait and sorry, have to run out in a few mins... hope to be back for the meeting in time 12:46 chris_n helvetica 12:46 cait hm i mean font 12:46 cait i think only some of them work nicely i ws told 12:46 wahanui it has been said that which script is this? 12:46 cait hm which script? 12:46 chris_n I must be doing something wrong 12:46 chris_n cait: after applying 8375: Wide character in compress at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819. 12:45 oleonard Is tcohen going to be present? 12:45 cait I tend to agree with that 12:45 gmcharlt oleonard: depends on which RM you're talking about; the MM discussion is going to be much more driven by tcohen's desires, I would think 12:42 oleonard Anyone else have an opinion? Who is ready to commit to a meeting today? 12:40 oleonard Particularly with regard to the Module Maintainer/Release Maintainer discussions 12:40 oleonard I think it might be better to postpone the dev meeting if the RM can't be there. 12:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10782 - Add a koha-mysqlcheck script <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=25c932967f9def41b689b07f4536f398b612944b> 12:31 cait that was my assumption 12:29 chris_n cait: ok, so the patch is the newest version 12:29 marcelr hi cait 12:29 marcelr is the dev meeting cancelled or is galen just absent? 12:29 cait hi marcelr and tcohen 12:29 cait 'Downloaded the newest plugin version and minified it. Now works as intended.' 12:29 marcelr hi tcohen 12:28 cait i might have misread that, it hought it was only the newest version of the plugin 12:28 tcohen morning #koha 12:28 cait hm 12:28 marcelr hi #koha 12:28 * chris_n may be showing his js ignorance 12:28 chris_n question about the fix for 11369: it patches jquery.cookie.js-plugin which is a third-party plugin: should/has this fix been submitted to the plugin maintainer for inclusion in future releases? 12:21 chris_n I'll apply it and see if it helps here 12:20 chris_n :) 12:20 chris_n based on the irritation level around here, that should be a high priority fix 12:20 oleonard (haven't gotten any more reports anyway) 12:20 oleonard ByWater applied the patch for us and it seems to have cleared it up 12:19 wahanui oleonard: what? 12:19 oleonard wahanui: Oh hey I said that! 12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client. 12:19 wahanui somebody said Bug 11369 was hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14 12:19 oleonard Bug 11369 12:19 * chris_n is all ears 12:19 oleonard There is a patch 12:19 chris_n is there a fix for it yet? 12:18 chris_n clearing the cookies fixes it up 12:18 cait there is a known bug with search history i think 12:18 chris_n seems to plague chrome and ff every few weeks 12:18 chris_n so does anyone else have issues with browsers borking with a error about the cookie being too long with the staff client? 12:15 cait hi oleonard :) 12:15 cait chris_n: oh 12:15 oleonard Hi #koha 12:12 chris_n cait: tnx; it appears I will need lots of it 12:12 francharb Morning 11:53 cait chris_n: good luck! 11:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF 11:53 * chris_n grabs a can of spray and walks in the direction of bug 8375 11:53 cait hi bgkriegel :) 11:43 bgkriegel Buen dÃa 11:03 cait ashimema++ 10:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions 10:31 cait hm looking for a sign off for bug 11859... 10:02 cait hi atheia 09:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Cannot use the override function AllowFineOverride on the Staff client because this stops the pay function working on the SelfCheck (SC) machines 09:29 ashimema bug 11633 09:29 ashimema anyone fancy testing a SIP patch? 09:26 ashimema morning atheia 08:10 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 08:10 cait @later tell eythian could you take a look at bug 10486? I am wondering if it will be ok for packages 07:39 cait hm i think i got it 07:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11741 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , < > not displaying correctly in XSLT result list 07:32 cait to fix bug 11741 for now 07:32 cait i need to replace a string with another 07:32 cait i am fighting with a jquery 07:32 cait hm 07:32 gaetan_B hello 07:31 dcook Well, I should go home and take care of my sick wife (and sick cat). Have a good day! 07:30 cait it's fun yeah :) 07:26 dcook Spanish course? That sounds exciting! 07:25 cait very busy this week with work, my spanish course and feature freeze coming up 07:24 cait mostly ok i think 07:24 dcook How're you going, cait? 07:23 cait morning dcook :) 07:19 dcook evening, cait :) 07:16 cait good morning #koha 07:05 dcook salut alex_a 07:05 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:05 alex_a bonjour 07:05 dcook pianohacker++ 07:05 pianohacker had to celebrate that, carry on, good to see you all 07:04 * pianohacker dances 07:04 pianohacker hahahahah wooo I have XML fixed field widgets finally working! 06:46 dcook Yata! 06:44 dcook Hmm...I have PATH problems.. 06:44 reiveune hi dcook 06:43 dcook yo, reiveune 06:43 dcook Can I even remember how to use git bz.. 06:38 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:38 reiveune hello 06:37 cait bbl 06:35 pianohacker good night all 06:35 pianohacker oh goodness, it's late 06:25 ashimema pybugz look interesting.. a possible starting point.. any python addicts here with some spare time ;) 06:08 ashimema though I agree.. it may be time to re-think git-bz using the api's that now exist 06:07 ashimema gmcharlt++ for git-bz improvments.. 05:52 cait gmcharlt is a hero :) 05:52 cait so close... 05:49 dcook I think this will be the first patch I've sent in ages... 05:49 dcook \o/ 05:49 dcook gmcharlt++ 05:48 gmcharlt ayup 05:48 dcook cait: Did gmcharlt get git bz working again? 05:34 dcook Thanks for letting me know :) 05:34 dcook Cool. In that case, I might make some extra improvements as well. 05:33 gmcharlt dcook: new bug after it's pushed to master, and definitely after it's pushed to stable 05:31 dcook gmcharlt: Since it's been pushed to three different branches, I'm not quite sure what is optimal :/ 05:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Order from staged file improvements 05:30 * cait thinks how horrible bug 7180 would be without working git-bz 05:30 dcook Should I post the patch to that bug or make a new one? 05:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11502 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Branch filter in "Holds To Pull" is too fuzzy 05:29 dcook bug 11502 needs the tiniest of follow-ups 05:29 gmcharlt dcook: hmm? 05:29 dcook gmcharlt: Are you around to answer a quick RM question? 05:29 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Herrera, Inc., Seattle, Washington is 8.1°C (10:29 PM PDT on April 22, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 05:29 dcook @wunder seattle 05:28 dcook Found a solution anyways, but damn 05:28 dcook As far as I know, the version hasn't changed, so...I don't know. Maybe it's browser-based... 05:28 dcook For some reason, DataTables seems to be detecting an html type where it previously detected a string type 05:28 dcook I think I've had enough confusion for today.. 05:28 * eythian has to go to training now. 05:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8970 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack 05:27 eythian bug 8970 in case anyone wants something confusing to look at 05:27 eythian np :) 05:25 dcook eythian: Thanks for reminding me to do the obvious with that JS :) 05:25 dcook Muahaha 05:15 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 7.6°C (6:10 AM BST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 05:15 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 05:15 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 05:15 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Wilshire-Thornhill, Vaughan, Ontario is 3.7°C (1:10 AM EDT on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). 05:14 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 05:14 mtompset Yuck. Debugging multithreading is a pain, unless you have something to serialize processing as needed. 05:12 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 05:12 eythian @wunder nzwn 05:10 ashimema evening eythian 05:10 cait eythian: ugh 05:10 ashimema morning cait 05:10 cait morning ashimema 05:10 wahanui :( 05:10 eythian wahanui: botsmack 05:09 wahanui salut, eythian 05:09 eythian ashimema: howdy 05:08 eythian unfortunately this means that making MARC import work on a plack setup is best done with a rewrite and the addition of a queueing process. 05:07 cait eythian++ 05:03 eythian no, it did fail again later however. I'm screwing with multithreading so I think there are race conditions happening. That's bad. 05:03 mtompset eythian: So did you figure out why your diagnostic change caused it to work? ;) 04:52 eythian keep in mind its only worth worrying about if it's called enough times for a time difference to actually show up. 04:50 eythian it probably will. 04:50 eythian hmm. NYTProf may tell you that sort of thing, I'm not sure. 04:49 mtompset I was wondering how to profile the speed difference between Koha.Preference() calls in Template, and actually passing a template parameter. 04:49 eythian damn it, I just made a diagnostic change to something to see why it was failing, and it started working. 04:49 eythian I figured :) 04:48 mtompset Oops... Got distracted, eythian. :) 04:47 dcook Go back to bed while you can! :p 04:47 * dcook was up at 6:30am with a sick wife.. 04:46 dcook Earrrly! 04:46 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (6:45 AM CEST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 04:46 dcook @wunder konstanz 04:46 cait :P 04:46 dcook All right let's try this again.. 04:45 eythian go back to bed 04:45 eythian hi cait 04:45 dcook Yay for us using recent DataTables! 04:45 dcook Good one :p 04:45 dcook Was going to do that, then I seemed to think that wouldn't work...but now it's obvious that it will 04:45 dcook I... 04:44 eythian switch it out for the non-minified version 04:42 * dcook twitches 04:42 dcook Trying to debug minified JS... 03:50 eythian I...guess. 03:49 mtompset Oh profiling-king eythian, you here? ;) 03:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha.