Time  Nick        Message
00:05 eythian     gmcharlt: cheers, all grabbed
00:05 gmcharlt    great
00:07 eythian     wow, it's pretty steadily busy
00:08 eythian     after lunch I'll build some stats from that.
00:15 eythian     speaking of
00:15 * eythian   -> curry
00:58 pianohacker gmcharlt: Actual visible fixed-field widgets: http://imgur.com/tnfzYqe
01:03 dac         pianohacker++
01:03 pianohacker ah okay :)
01:03 pianohacker oh, those are based on the XML. That should be clarified
01:15 pianohacker good night
01:15 wahanui     I watch you sleep.
01:15 pianohacker so do I, wahanui. So do I
01:18 gmcharlt    pianohacker++
01:22 gmcharlt    jcamins: I don't suppose you happen to have the original bib export for the test cases added in bug 8649?
01:23 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, C4::Search needs a unit test
02:09 jmsasse     Hello community
02:14 mtompset    Greetings, jmsasse.
02:23 eythian     wahanui: Thanks, Lorax is <reply> Thorax
02:23 wahanui     eythian: no problem
02:24 mtompset    Why are you telling wahanui what Lorax is?
02:28 eythian     I'm not. I'm telling wahanui what a thorax is.
02:28 eythian     wahanui: thanks ants
02:28 wahanui     bitte eythian
02:28 eythian     wahanui: thanks, ants
02:28 wahanui     eythian: sure thing
02:28 eythian     it probably doesn't work though
02:28 eythian     wahanui: literal thanks ants
02:28 wahanui     eythian: sure thing
03:11 jmsasse     bag: got your ears on?
04:13 barton      Evening, all...
04:14 paxed       oh, hey, lovely. members/member.pl?quicksearch=1&surname=Ä shows patrons with surname A.
04:14 paxed       grrr
04:15 barton      paxed: oh frabjus day ;-/
04:17 paxed       lovely start to a morning, indeed.
04:18 barton      so ... I have a 'is this a feature or a bug' question ...
04:19 barton      If I go to http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=48001&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20practical%20open%20source
04:19 eythian     wahanui: feature or bug is https://xkcd.com/1172/
04:19 wahanui     OK, eythian.
04:19 barton      and click the 'print' link, the formatting of the printed page looks --- weird.
04:20 barton      yes, yes, my update murders children...
04:22 barton      ... anyway, the deal, as far as I can tell, is that the URLs added to the printed page are frking up the spacing on the page in a most serious way...
04:22 barton      URLs => good, Frkd_formatting => bad -- so is this bug or feature?
04:23 rangi       who cares
04:23 rangi       if it looks bad fix it
04:25 eythian     yeah, if it's looking not correct, then it's not correct.
04:26 barton      but what if my bug report murders children? ;-)
04:26 eythian     it was their own fault for looking ugly due to the URLs.
04:27 barton      ok. makes sense.
04:28 barton      It's late here in +5 GMT, see y'all on the flipside.
04:31 wizzyrea    a print css for that page might make some sense but yeah, you should fix it if it annoys you ;)
04:32 mtompset    No, no... don't use that criteria. You'll never sleep! :)
04:32 wizzyrea    let me revise, you should either fix it or pay someone to fix it.
04:33 wizzyrea    then you can sleep soundly knowing your annoyances are being fixed.
04:33 mtompset    better. :)
04:33 mtompset    because I know that if I fixed everything that annoyed me, I'd never sleep.
04:33 mtompset    Though, it is after midnight.
04:33 mtompset    Perhaps I'm turning into a pumpkin.
04:34 mtompset    Have a great day, #koha wizzyrea barton_away eythian paxed
04:40 wizzyrea    at least you're trying ;)
04:41 wizzyrea    actually I think barton may have illustrated that the print css for that page hasn't been touched for bootstrap - I could be wrong but it looks like it hasn't had a proper going over.
06:34 reiveune    hello
06:34 wahanui     privet, reiveune
06:46 cait        good morning everyone :)
06:55 alex_a      bonjour
07:13 Joubu       hello
07:13 wahanui     hola, Joubu
07:24 cait        hi Joubu
07:36 Joubu       @later tell oleonard No really, that does not make sense. It is a useless restriction.
07:36 huginn      Joubu: The operation succeeded.
07:53 cait        Joubu: i think i found the problem with the card view last night :)
07:55 Joubu       cait: yep I saw your comment, good catch!
07:55 cait        if you agree i can do the follow up too - whoever gets to it first :)
07:55 cait        have to work on a few non-koha things first today, but coming back to it later
07:55 Joubu       cait: I will provide a followup asap
07:56 cait        ok :)
10:01 ashimema    in packages.. how would one enable and disable overdue emails on a per instance basis..
10:01 ashimema    only overdues.. not emails total.
10:03 cait        hm
10:03 cait        you could deactivate in the patron category...
10:03 cait        but that's not ideal
10:04 ashimema    hmmm
10:04 ashimema    it was easy on the old installs..
10:04 ashimema    just comment the cron..
10:04 ashimema    but as it's a system task, rather than an instance task in pacakges that's somewhat more difficult
10:06 cait        packages
10:06 wahanui     rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:41 cait        ashimema++
12:28 oleonard    Hi everyone
12:49 cait        hi oleonard
12:53 rambutan    ping talljoy barton
12:53 talljoy     yes?
12:53 talljoy     you rang?
12:53 barton      hellooo?
12:53 * cait      has to try that sometime :)
12:54 talljoy     :-)
12:55 barton      cait: please do be aware that this causes mild electrocution. Don't be afraid to use it, but don't lean on the button ;-)
12:55 talljoy     heh
12:55 cait        lol
12:55 barton      rambutan: anything you needed?
13:00 oleonard    What do you know, shedges is still on the Koha list?
13:00 oleonard    @seen shedges
13:00 huginn      oleonard: I have not seen shedges.
13:00 oleonard    Yeah that's how young you are huginn
13:10 cait        heh
13:16 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
13:29 oleonard    My jQueryUI upgrade patch was not my best work.
13:31 ashimema    oh?
13:32 oleonard    Buggy.
13:32 oleonard    First the keyboard shortcut thing, now a problem with default tabs not being selected correctly (as we talked about yesterday cait)
13:40 mtompset    Takes a man to own up to flaws, oleonard. :)
13:40 mtompset    I'm sure you'll get it fixed.
13:40 oleonard    I blame society.
13:41 mtompset    -- No, blame Canada! (http://youtu.be/_aY9Ensgd0c) ;)
13:46 oleonard    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw39tcyg7So
13:49 vfernandes  hi :)
13:50 vfernandes  using bulkmarcimport if this error Record length of 177484 is larger than the MARC spec allows (99999 bytes). at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/USMARC.pm line 313 happens, what means?
13:54 rambutan    catalogers seem to think that merge authorities in 3.14 is a very good thing
13:56 ashimema    vfernandes.. it means exactly what it say ;)  That your MARC record is too big
13:58 vfernandes  but it's still imported?
13:58 ashimema    I beleive that, that one record will not be imported..
13:59 ashimema    but i'm not 100% sure without looking at the code..
13:59 ashimema    I aslo can't remembe if the import continues, or aborts at that point..
13:59 ashimema    I tend to clean up my marc records before throwing them at bulkmarcimport..
13:59 ashimema    or I convert thme to marcxml and import that instead... but you may still get the same issue, just later in the chain.
14:05 kivilahtio  Just wanted to say that hte default messaging preferences for patron categories is an awesome feature! Blame Joubu? :)
14:08 Joubu       kivilahtio: hum, I don't think so
14:08 kivilahtio  Joubu: you didnt do it or you dont find it neat?
14:10 Joubu       I don't think I wrote it
14:11 kivilahtio  We are having a holiday this friday, that is cool
14:13 Joubu       I am in holiday tonight :)
14:29 kivilahtio  Joubu: why are you here?
14:32 Joubu       kivilahtio: Don't worry, not for a long time
14:52 ashimema    random question for devs out there..
14:53 oleonard    nengard: You can upload multiple cover images as a zip file
14:53 ashimema    EDI requires some server side configuration, in that you need to open ports for ftp/sftp out, set a location to drop files that get transferred and processed.
14:54 ashimema    for consistancy should the edi configuration per vendor go into the config file serverside (like for shibboleth or ldap configuration).. or should we let librarians do 'half' the configuration from the staff client
14:55 ashimema    i'm tempted to say.. turn on EDI and set Location for files under config file, but let staff add edi accounts via the staff client.
14:56 ashimema    sounds reasonable
14:57 nengard     oleonard - of course you can :) so tired
14:57 nengard     have to go in to webinar - feel free to close of course :)
15:12 * Joubu     will be afak for 1 week.
15:12 Joubu       Have fun #koha
15:13 Joubu       s/afak/afk :)
15:13 * cait      waves
15:13 cait        bookstore cafe with free wifi... :)
15:18 cait        @wunder Konstanz
15:18 huginn      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on April 16, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
15:19 sekjal      greetings, #koha
15:20 oleonard    Hi sekjal, what's up?
15:20 sekjal      hi, oleonard!
15:21 sekjal      working on my libraries' new website, was on IRC, and figured it'd been too long since I popped into #koha
15:23 oleonard    What are you working with these days sekjal? Same CMS?
15:23 sekjal      yup, SilverStripe, and now ElasticSearch as a backend for the searching
15:23 sekjal      and Zurb Foundation as the responsive frontend
15:24 * cait      waves at sekjal
15:25 sekjal      hi, cait!
15:28 sekjal      I was pleased to see the new Bootstrap OPAC theme in 3.14
15:31 bag         hey sekjal
15:31 sekjal      hey, bag!
15:31 talljoy     hi sekjal!
15:32 bag         how you been - long time since we've had an ian sighting in #koha
15:32 sekjal      hi, talljoy!
15:32 sekjal      been well
15:32 sekjal      got a tight deadline with the new library website (this Fall), but I'm making progress
15:33 bag         sekjal++
15:33 reiveune    bye
15:35 sekjal      best part, though, is that about 3 weeks after the site goes live, I go on paternity leave for 6 months.
15:35 sekjal      here's hoping it doesn't catch fire
15:35 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12081: make tmpl_process3.pl delete ts temp files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de81d7abe43f3c2eed327b52e212bc790b406961> / Bug 11630: (follow-up) tighten up code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b324e893e86730378f633db0537eb0048c6b8a35> / Bug 11630: (follow-up) unit tests can be independent of DB <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
15:35 oleonard    Congratulations in advance sekjal
15:35 cait        sekjal: congratulations? :)
15:35 talljoy     great news!
15:35 sekjal      thanks!  we're really excited
15:38 bag         oh congrats
15:39 gmcharlt    sekjal: congrats!
15:43 sekjal      thanks, gmcharlt (and hi!)
15:43 cait        have to run off again :) bye all!
15:43 sekjal      bye, cait
15:47 sekjal      so what's the latest hot development for Koha?  anything particular in the works for the next version?
15:49 oleonard    Time travel.
15:49 oleonard    But keep it under your hat.
15:50 oleonard    When we get it working we'll have told you last week.
15:53 sekjal      :)
15:55 gmcharlt    sekjal: a new cataloging editor is likely going to be the biggest additiona to 3.16
15:56 gmcharlt    also, work on support for Elastic Search as an alternative for OPAC searching
16:06 sekjal      oooh.  ES is pretty awesome
16:07 ashimema    It'll be a nice addition.. fingers crossed it fits together nicely with it all though.
16:07 ashimema    and the new cataloging editor looks awesome
16:17 sekjal      Westboro Baptist is on campus today protesting the coming out of one of UMass's football players
16:17 sekjal      at least, I think they are... I'm not sure I could see them through the massive counter-protest
16:17 oleonard    How lovely.
16:17 rambutan    sekjal: what's your <library's?> website?
16:18 sekjal      rambutan: URL is http://library.umass.edu, but the new version is in testing elsewhere
16:20 rambutan    I really miss the large-campus educational environment
16:20 rambutan    and the University of Missouri wasn't all that big
16:34 vfernandes  bye :)
17:11 kivilahtio  I assume it is not safe to use overdue_notices.pl and advance_notices.pl simultaneously?
18:14 oleonard    A thing which works on one thing should work on another thing, right? That's a thing?
18:14 * oleonard  shakes his fist at JavaScript
18:33 chris_n     wonder why we offer the option of unchecking "mandatory" "options?" That all seems a bit of an oxymoron
18:40 oleonard    I <3 git bz
18:51 chris_n     oleonard: can you look at my last comment on bug 8797 and see if that agrees with what you were seeing?
18:51 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8797 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , can't delete quote of the day
18:57 oleonard    chris_n: I have not tested with a fresh database, but steps 4-7 don't match what I see. #7 doesn't happen.
18:59 chris_n     that's odd as that step is definitely not db related
19:00 chris_n     I assume you're using FF?
19:01 chris_n     well, I'll debug the problem I do see and go from there
19:01 chris_n     maybe the other problem will stick its head up in the meantime
19:06 oleonard    Good news (?) chris_n... Now it works :P
19:07 * cait      waves
19:08 chris_n     which "it?" :-)
19:08 chris_n     #7?
19:08 * chris_n   waves back at cait
19:09 oleonard    Deleting quotes worked for met that time chris_n
19:09 oleonard    But subsequent selection of quotes seems randomly problematic
19:09 oleonard    Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
19:10 chris_n     I'm definitely seeing the problem with subsequent selections
19:11 chris_n     probably some bad/missing js somewhere
19:11 chris_n     or it may be a problem with  something executing out of sync
19:23 * chris_n   suspects something is wrong with fnReloadAjax()
19:25 jcamins     chris_n: oh, yeah, there were a few bugs.
19:25 * jcamins   figured since no one had noticed them in Koha that there were alternate workarounds in place.
19:26 jcamins     Lemme see if I can figure out what the bugs were.
19:26 oleonard    Hi jcamins, long time no read
19:27 chris_n     jcamins: it looks like some of the handlers are missing after the redraw
19:28 chris_n     its incredible how one can write code and two years later it looks like a foreign language
19:29 jcamins     Hrm. Looks like the bug was only in the if statements.
19:29 jcamins     It uses != when it should use !==
19:29 jcamins     oleonard: hello. It turns out that preparing for an exhibition at the last minute is time-consuming.
19:30 oleonard    exhibition?
19:33 jcamins     Yeah, I'm exhibiting Biblionarrator a week from Thursday.
19:34 rambutan    jcamins: hey, looks like a cool project
19:34 rambutan    jcamins++
19:35 * jcamins   certainly thinks so!
19:39 chris_n     I bet we loose something here: that.oApi._fnClearTable( oSettings );
19:41 * barton    agrees: Biblionarrator definitely looks slick.
19:45 jcamins     barton: in just over a week we'll know whether 10k techies agree with you or not.
19:46 barton      jcamins: well, lets hope that they do -- although that could make for a *very* busy jcamins :-)
19:47 jcamins     barton: oh yeah.
19:53 * barton    wonders whether 10k techies rounds up to 16384 or down to 8192.
19:55 jcamins     barton: hehe.
19:55 oleonard    Wow Bug 11369 is hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14
19:55 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
20:00 chris_n     it looks like fnClearTable nukes the entire table and we loose the click handler for the quote id column
20:00 chris_n     yuk
20:10 * chris_n   heads out
20:12 oleonard    Gotta run. Bye #koha
20:13 ibeardslee  In case it hasn't been posted yet .. http://opensource.com/education/14/4/story-of-koha-lms
20:23 cait        hm doesn't load for me
20:24 jcamins     Loaded for me.
20:24 rambutan    me2
20:24 ibeardslee  hmm
20:24 cait        sniff
20:28 rangi       looks like repost of the code4lib journal
20:28 rangi       article
20:28 rangi       without attribution
20:28 rangi       ahh no
20:28 rangi       its not
20:28 rangi       its a rewrite by Jo :)
20:29 rangi       just that first paragraph is from the old article
20:31 cait        still not loading for me
20:31 cait        why is that? :(
20:33 rambutan    clear your cache?
20:33 rambutan    force refresh?
20:33 rambutan    what error messages are you getting?
20:33 cait        nothing
20:33 cait        just timing out...
20:34 cait        white page
20:34 rambutan    can you load  just http://opensource.com
20:34 rambutan    using a proxy?  web filter?
20:35 rambutan    try https....
20:37 cait        nope
20:37 cait        i will just wait
20:37 cait        i bet itworks later
20:38 rambutan    try to load it from here: http://anonymouse.org/anonwww_de.html
20:39 rambutan    or here: http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html
20:39 cait        it's ok
20:39 cait        i can be a bit patient :)
22:18 wizzyrea    http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11369 is biting us as well
22:18 huginn      04Bug 11369: major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client.
22:26 wizzyrea    has anyone noticed that deleting bibs brings back a Can't call method "title" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 835 error?
22:26 wizzyrea    I didn't see anything in the bugs
22:49 wizzyrea    can that result browse feature in the OPAC be turned off?
22:49 wizzyrea    er in the intranet I mean
22:50 cjh         I agree.
22:53 eythian     http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/news/2014/02/crocodiles-can-climb-trees <-- terrifying news of the day
22:56 wizzyrea    have I mentioned lately how glad I am that I don't live in Australia
22:58 wizzyrea    between the spiders, the snakes, and the tree climbing crocodiles, I'll take the Tui and the Kiwi thanks.
22:58 wizzyrea    you can kind of talk to tuis, that's fun.
23:30 eythian     wahanui: earworm is http://youtu.be/QH2-TGUlwu4
23:30 wahanui     OK, eythian.
23:36 BobB        wizzyrea, Australia is the lucky country
23:37 BobB        because between the spiders, the snakes, the crocodiles, the stone fish, the box jelly ....
23:37 BobB        you're lucky to be alive :)
23:37 wizzyrea    hahahaha
23:38 BobB        come on over, you'll love it (if you live long enough)
23:43 eythian     http://magshop.com.au/most-dangerous-spiders <-- read this before you go. It's probably quite a long book.
23:44 bag         hey BobB
23:44 bag         also wizzyrea and eythian
23:45 BobB        hey bag