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23:59 gmcharlt eythian: http://wiki.koha-community.org/~gmc/debian/
23:58 eythian even just the past month or so will be telling, I think.
23:57 eythian s/repo/distro/
23:56 eythian Hey, can you pull the logs for the use of the repo? I'd like to see how many machines are using each repo (roughly, obviously.)
23:56 eythian If it is a real issue, I have no real problem with maintaining another branch for it, I'd just not like to add the overhead if nothing is to be gained.
23:55 gmcharlt yeah
23:55 eythian i.e. if they do get caught out by surprise major upgrades.
23:55 eythian I suppose the best way would be to survey people and see where they tend to stand.
23:54 gmcharlt eythian: just a bit! ;)
23:54 bag ideal_world++
23:54 eythian no upgrade should be unexpected if people are paying attention, though that's a bit of an "ideal world" situation.
23:53 gmcharlt of course, many major releases add a dep or two, forcing a dist-upgrade and giving a sysadmin a chance to say "better switch to oldstable", but that's not guaranteed at present
23:53 BobB hi bag
23:52 bag heya BobB
23:52 gmcharlt well, we don't tend to ship badly broken releases nowadays, but an unexpected major upgrade can be painful for libraries who like to prepare with internal training on the new features
23:51 eythian we could put a debconf thing in that lets you know and gives you the option to back out of the upgrade, but that's probably not a great idea (and I'm not 100% sure debconf can do that.)
23:50 eythian gmcharlt: yeah. Though, to what degree is that a real problem?
23:50 mario pianohacker++
23:49 mario hello all
23:48 pianohacker mario++
23:48 gmcharlt hi mario
23:48 pianohacker hi bywaterian
23:48 bag mario is the new systems person with ByWater
23:48 gmcharlt and we circle back to the original problem, which is that 10 months of the year, a plain old apt-get upgrade gets you a minor release, while two tiimes a year it gets a major upgrade
23:47 mario hey rangi
23:47 rangi hi mario
23:46 eythian Having a separate distro requires maintaining another packaging branch and doing another build for each one.
23:45 eythian I'd be more inclined to say that if you don't want a .0 release, don't upgrade to it.
23:44 eythian that's a sizeable bit of overhead for a very small difference.
23:43 gmcharlt right
23:42 eythian So, the only difference between testing and stable is that testing gets .0?
23:42 eythian hmm
23:39 gmcharlt IOW, for a major release, don't instantly make its .0 the current stable
23:39 gmcharlt testing being, at least provisionally, the first major .0 release
23:38 gmcharlt experimental being the master builds
23:38 gmcharlt if we go with that, I'd actually go with experimental, testing, stable, oldstable
23:33 eythian Probably more correctly would be experimental, stable, oldstable, but eh
23:33 eythian I'd probably go for testing, stable, oldstable, as this mirrors debian.
23:33 mtompset we are -- we plan to.
23:32 mtompset So, logically we are maintaining the versions and old labels, and perhaps friendlier new labels (which will be used in documentation), but physically which will be which?
23:30 eythian *going
23:30 eythian nope, we're doing to symlink them if that's possible, which I think it is.
23:29 mtompset So are we going to break people's sources.list files by losing the names squeeze and squeeze-dev?
23:28 eythian my thinking is more you can be conservative or less conservative, but you'll always be current with no extra work on your part aside from updates.
23:24 gmcharlt yeah, don't want to mislead like that; better would be for it to complain duing apt-get update that it can no longer find the version, which would make the sysadmin look at sources.list
23:23 mtompset Hmm... you're right... the version labels become pointless then.
23:23 eythian then what's the point?
23:22 mtompset eythian: I know it is evil, but could we force a version upgrade in the case that a version is retired, but leaving the name 3.x.y, but linking it 3.x+1,z?
22:51 mtompset ^happen^happy^
22:51 mtompset rangi: Exactly. No way to catch up. I'm happen with #2. :)
22:50 cait well practically any word can appear in a title
22:50 gmcharlt danke
22:50 cait Füreinander? Österreich? Fuß?
22:49 cait my mind just went blank
22:48 gmcharlt cait: give me a word that might appear in a title that has an umlaut, please
22:40 cait 30
22:40 cait :)
22:40 gmcharlt at least the patch itself is correct
22:40 cait you lied???
22:40 huginn gmcharlt: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
22:40 gmcharlt gmcharlt-- # lying in commit messages
22:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12052: DBrev 3.15.00.023 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e28dbbf76c25437ca43afe154619e89c775034d0> / Bug 12052: New syspref to display message on the OPAC patron summary page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f82d22b0df63e2924e9c8b35d2a4eb02edc2650e>
22:37 eythian hi
22:32 wahanui 14.4931506849315
22:32 rangi 5290/365
22:30 mtompset I don't see me getting 18 sign offs in 8 days.
22:29 rangi :)
22:29 rangi you have until the 23rd
22:29 mtompset Which is why I am not likely to catch up.
22:29 mtompset Exactly.
22:29 mtompset And right now, I got side tracked by ugly HTML.
22:29 rangi youve had a month where ive had no laptop
22:28 mtompset I doubt I'll catch rangi for 2014.
22:28 mtompset I'm trying to keep ahead of the bunch. :)
22:28 mtompset yes, pianohacker. ;)
22:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
22:18 bag anyone up for taking a look at bug 10486 ? I'll trade you with looking at something that your interested in (either QA or sign-off)?
22:08 pianohacker bernardo konsalez griegel?
22:05 rangi *nod*
22:03 gmcharlt rangi: IOW, not a huge deal
22:03 mtompset sorry, cait. bkg forced me to sign more off. ;)
22:03 gmcharlt rangi: sounds like the quick-and-dirty way to reconcile that with khall's stuff is to (a) revive admin/printers.pl (b) update the printers table to add lpr/netprint + columns for Net::Printer config stuff (c) and add a bit of wrapping
21:59 pianohacker * cait is now known as ghost
21:59 jmsasse bye koha
21:59 * cait is not really here
21:59 cait befoe you come back... kind of?
21:58 pianohacker cait: didn't you say you were going to bed?
21:58 cait it was hidden sometime after i started with koha
21:58 cait hm, i don't tink i know how it should work - i have never seen it
21:57 rangi i dont mind a refactor but id hate to see one that introduces regressions
21:57 rangi yep
21:57 gmcharlt stock, I assume ?
21:56 rangi gmcharlt: printing via lp is working fully at hlt
21:55 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2014/04/14/thats-not-what-they-asked/
21:54 * pianohacker pretends not to be people for a bit
21:54 cait where?
21:54 cait hm?
21:54 rangi wtaf people
21:47 * pianohacker makes note to spread out future patches over more bugs
21:47 cait i tjust won't stay below 60!
21:47 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
21:47 bag @later tell magnuse HI
21:47 * cait grumps at the qa queue
21:47 bag I LOVE it
21:47 cait :)
21:47 bag :P
21:46 pianohacker WELCOME bag
21:46 bag welcome back pianohacker
21:41 pianohacker back
21:21 * wizzyrea nods
21:18 wahanui wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing.
21:18 bag hey wizzyrea
21:15 wizzyrea sup bag
21:14 cait hi bag :)
21:13 bag heya cait
20:40 cait cool :) but there are lots of others really... our problem is more the mass of good things than the lack of those
20:40 jmsasse ls
20:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5670 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Housebound Readers Module
20:38 jmsasse cait: I'll take a closer look at bug 5670 when I get a chance : )
20:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5670 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Housebound Readers Module
20:28 wahanui bug 5670 is very interesting
20:28 cait bug 5670
20:28 cait hm housebound
20:28 cait homebound still needs a sign offer...
20:27 jmsasse Ah, thanks cait.
20:26 cait the new catalouging interface pianohacker is working on
20:26 jmsasse What's rancor?
20:18 cait have a nice evening! :)
20:18 oleonard Bye #koha
20:18 oleonard Time for a git bisect. Tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it. I'm off.
20:17 cait i think it used to be different... but i have the same problem
20:17 oleonard Oh yes it was different in 3.12.x
20:14 oleonard I was thinking about that the other day cait, wondering whether I imagined that it used to be different
20:12 cait catalog search - keyword search - tab doesn't stay on search the catalog but switches back to check out
20:12 cait and other patches
20:12 cait it happens on the start page
20:11 cait which is quite irritating - could you test if it happens for you too?
20:11 cait oleonard: hm i wonder - if you do a keyword search and no results are found, the tab switches back to check out
20:08 cait i wonder why my card view is so broken on 7180 :(
20:08 cait hm bug :)
20:08 oleonard cait: No it's the other budget page that has the tree view thing, aqbudgets.tt
20:02 cait or... it's just a bug
20:02 cait oleonard: maybe becuseof the tree view thing?
20:01 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
20:01 oleonard @later tell Joubu Do you know why admin/aqbudgetperiods.tt includes a DataTables configuration for both tables but disables sorting altogether?
19:56 oleonard admin/aqbudgetperiods.pl
19:56 oleonard Why does the budgets administration page template include DataTable configuration for both tables but then disable sorting on all columns? Why use DataTables if you're not sorting, or filtering, or anything?
19:49 oleonard Interesting... a Bugzilla search by "attachment data" seems to be a pretty good way to find out if an outstanding patch touches the file you're working on.
19:45 cait jmsasse: mean I feel with you and wihsed the day had lots more hours
19:45 cait jmsasse: I'd like all those, plus rancor, homebound, external ztargets... and a gazillion other things :(
19:44 cait ew
19:40 pianohacker my excitement is boundless
19:40 pianohacker I have to make .NET, MySQL, a webcam and labview talk to each other
19:40 pianohacker bbl
19:35 jmsasse Cait: but I know these things are difficult and time consuming to test.
19:35 jmsasse cait: I would also like to see the breaking up of IndependentBranches permissions also
19:34 jmsasse cait: tell me where to send the chocolates : )
19:28 cait i'd like to see those moved forward ideally before going back to the local preference holds
19:28 cait and there are currently a lot of known problems with priorities
19:28 cait I just don't want to promise something
19:27 jmsasse cait: I understand, and I appreciate your hard work.
19:27 cait we can get snickers here - peanut butter cups!
19:27 pianohacker ha!
19:27 cait I planned 2 hours on one bug today and actually spent a lot more :(
19:27 wahanui peanut butter cups are good :)… I think we should bring cait - some snickers and reese's pieces
19:27 pianohacker or peanut butter cups
19:26 cait jmsasse: i know, i am trying to work through some of the big bugs this week... but it takes a lot of time to test things like that
19:26 JesseM jmsasse you need to sweeten the pot with a few chocolate bunnies for cait :D
19:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds
19:25 oleonard Bug 11126
19:25 jmsasse cait: feature freeze is coming soon :(
19:24 jmsasse cait: when you get a moment, would you please look at bugzilla #11126?
19:23 cait i thought it wa sme failing at it :)
19:19 pianohacker *english
19:19 pianohacker ... me failing at englihs
19:19 cait what's reinstalling the pazpar2 patches?
19:19 cait i don't understand 2) in the rancor instructions
19:19 cait btw
19:19 pianohacker I'll give it a shot
19:18 pianohacker kk, thanks
19:18 cait at least when you change something locally... not sure what it does when you change a file on the server
19:18 cait i think it does...
19:18 cait maybe - i really haven't looked so much at the technical details i tihnk
19:17 pianohacker it doesn't do sync on file change?
19:17 cait with the last version it tended to forget the login data, but it seems to work stable now
19:17 cait it seems to work well
19:17 cait so no access to server data... and not sure how i see the client information... i have it synching constantly every minute or so right now i think
19:17 pianohacker how about the desktop client? How well does the file sync work?
19:16 pianohacker ahhh, kk
19:16 cait i don#t have my own server right now, but a hosting package that allows to use owncloud
19:16 cait no idea
19:14 pianohacker how are the client and server in terms of quality and memory usage? (I ask about memory because I'll be throwing the server on a vps)
19:13 cait pianohacker: i do
19:13 cait hi paul_p
19:12 paul_p hello pianohacker (& others)
19:12 pianohacker hi paul_p
19:12 pianohacker you use owncloud, right?
19:12 pianohacker cait: oh! I have a non-koha question for you
19:11 pianohacker phew!
19:10 cait was lucky - it was about to drive off and then stopped agian when the driver saw me running :)
19:10 mtompset not a problem.
19:09 cait mtompset: sorry for running out - forgot about the time and almost missed my bus
19:09 cait hi jmsasse :)
19:07 jmsasse Guten Tag, Cait :)
19:06 mtompset oleonard: Well, since I'll probably get to it first. I'm going to pop a lot of these on that URL I gave you. :P
19:01 pianohacker hi mtompset
19:01 cait hola pianohacker :)
19:01 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
19:01 pianohacker hi cait!
19:01 mtompset Greetings, cait.
18:56 pianohacker hahahaha
18:54 mtompset Okay. That makes sense then.
18:53 oleonard To me a page full of HTML validation errors is like a sheet of unpopped bubble wrap
18:53 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
18:52 pianohacker @later tell dcook new version of 11559
18:52 mtompset *over dramatic* How have you kept your sanity?
18:52 mtompset Eeeewww! oleonard, my poor eyes! I blame you for suggesting a plugin which let's me see the evilness of the HTML generated. Ewwwww! admin/auth_subfields_structure.pl?op=add_form&tagfield=010&authtypecode=
18:44 mtompset perhaps a reallyreallyoldstable?
18:43 mtompset okay... and thinking back to a former conversation... i think it was rangi that pointed out that 3.8.x is only 2 years old.
18:42 gmcharlt yes; I don't think there's anything precluding doing both approaches in the same APT repo
18:41 mtompset so those who don't want it to auto upgrade can use the version number method, but those who are willing to jump with the shift use the 'stable' method.
18:40 mtompset i.e. get it to still behave the way it currently does.
18:39 mtompset And would there be a way to have a label like 'current' shift with the creation of the latest version?
18:38 gmcharlt yeah, I think the idea is that suites would be removed once a version is desupported
18:38 gmcharlt on the minus side, perhaps a slightly increased chance of folks falling behind
18:38 mtompset And would we delete old repos?
18:38 gmcharlt on the plus side, no unexpected major version upgrades
18:37 gmcharlt mtompset: yes
18:37 mtompset gmcharlt: Out of curiousity, how would the upgrade process work for a koha if we used a versioned number? You've have to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list each major version?
17:13 mtompset No problems. :)
17:12 mtompset I mistyped. :)
17:06 gmcharlt also, I called nothing "idiot"; there is a difference between idiomatic and non-, is all
17:05 gmcharlt mtompset: Joubu's approach avoids the use of one-use temporary variables, which is why I standardized on it
16:32 mtompset hey! why is my patch called idiotmatically? The problem is subfields is too smart/dumb for its own good. I just force a scalar context by assigning it to a scalar.
16:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10825: don't display enum/chron twice for items received via the serials module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f5636cac39ca1109a73b40be08d9dbef096a17c> / Bug 11797: (follow-up) fix MARC21 branch of bug more idiomatically <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc7a99ba7f23c7f77bb28c23613fbd9b4ab61cd5> / Bug 11797: fix odd number of elements in hash (UNIMARC) <h
16:22 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
16:22 mtompset @later tell cait Sorry, I tried to test 8375, but my labeling printing seems totally screwy. The barcodes are not aligned with their corresponding text.
16:14 mtompset Hmmm... I wonder if a PDF library is newer in Debian.
16:12 oleonard Doesn't look normal to me, but the only time I use labels is when testing labels.
16:10 mtompset Is that normal, oleonard?
16:09 mtompset It's like the labels are shifted over one.
16:08 mtompset http://snag.gy/wfXXp.jpg
16:06 mtompset I'll show you.
16:06 mtompset how can I share a screen print?
16:06 oleonard What do you mean mtompset?
16:04 mtompset I've never printed labels before... Are the barcodes supposed to be a different label?
16:01 oleonard I don't know of a way to track OPAC holds.
15:57 vfernandes and for reserves?
15:56 oleonard vfernandes: There is the OpacRenewalBranch system preference for tracking OPAC renewals, assuming you don't *also* want to track OPAC renewals by library
15:54 vfernandes my client asked to created two reports to obtain those numbers
15:53 vfernandes one question: it's possible to know which reserves and renews are done in OPAC?
15:52 vfernandes hi :)
15:29 ashimema ack..
15:29 cait wah have to run
15:28 cait ashimema: only a giess... could it be someone ran it manually messing up permissions?
15:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
15:28 cait mtompset: could i get a sign off for bug 8375 ? *offers cookies*
15:27 ashimema when rebuilding zebra for an instance?
15:27 ashimema any idea's why I'de be getting: 15:24:23-15/04 zebraidx(18808) [fatal] open state..LCK w [Permission denied]
15:26 ashimema so.. new packages issue.
15:24 cait mtompset: i think a partial fix is a good start, I'd think it could go in (if it works) and we leave the bug for another fix
15:20 cait but it would be a start
15:20 cait yeah fredericd noted that
15:19 mtompset cait: Sad news. The patch only solves problem 1 for 12080. :(
15:11 reiveune bye
15:05 kivilahtio hola!
15:03 gmcharlt bien, bien, gracias ;)
15:02 cait ;)
15:02 cait y tu?
15:02 cait muy bien
15:02 gmcharlt cait: que tal?
15:02 cait hola gmcharlt
15:02 mtompset Yes. I was wrong. Sorry. :)
15:02 mtompset Looking at his patch, he found a similar problem elsewhere. :)
15:02 Joubu mtompset: there is a if unimarc else
15:02 gmcharlt ;)
15:01 gmcharlt doesn't matter either way, I WILL TEST THEM ALL!
15:01 gmcharlt mtompset: I was assuming so by inference from the fact that Joubu had filed a UNIMARC follow-up patch
15:01 Joubu gmcharlt: yes... should be //
15:01 mtompset It was?
15:00 Joubu gmcharlt: oops, yes sorry, I'm fixing it right now
15:00 mtompset gmcharlt: This patch wasn't UNIMARC or MARC21 specific.
15:00 gmcharlt also, re your followup for UNIMARC, is it certain that the subfield $a and $9 values will never have a valid value that evaluates to Perl false?
14:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash
14:59 gmcharlt Joubu: please note a minor query I made on bug 11797
14:59 Joubu cait: I am going to investigate the card view stuff
14:57 cait added somemore comments
14:57 cait Joubu++ super fast
14:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8°C (4:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
14:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
14:52 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is 0.0°C (10:52 AM EDT on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
14:52 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:52 mtompset (if there is any)
14:51 peggy OK, Cait, thanks. I'll check out the crons for ideas. I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if there was already a convention.
14:51 mtompset Yes, I am looking at it now... I'll also note that potential conflict between the bug patches. :)
14:51 cait today
14:51 cait fredericd did one
14:50 mtompset cait: Your superserials bug that you noticed... I just found a patch to sign off for that, I think.
14:50 cait i think some of the cronjobs ask for a path where they put temporary files then, so oyu have to set it up
14:50 cait for overdues the attachement seems to be stored within the message_queue table and not as a separate file
14:50 cait hm i tink i am not making sense
14:49 cait peggy: that's how the overdues mail does it, the one that is sent to the library with a file attachement
14:49 cait peggy: i tink what we do now is create the file for the attachment
14:49 mtompset Greetings, cait.
14:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:48 cait peggy: what are you trying to do? :)
14:48 mtompset ashimema_away: Greetings. Why?
14:47 ashimema_away any package users here?
14:35 peggy Is there a convention for creating temporary files by Koha? Is there a directory that can be used to store temporary files? I would only need to create, write, send, delete the file.
14:33 peggy I'm interested in looking at how koha might send the results of a cron report as an email attachment rather than embedding the report in the email message.
14:23 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
14:23 gmcharlt @later tell rangi could you take a look at bug 8352 and advise how much of the current net print you've got running for HLT or others?
14:22 gmcharlt heh
14:22 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012)
14:22 gmcharlt @quote random
13:36 Joubu cait: ok, I am going to provide a followup quickly
13:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 8.9°C (8:36 AM CDT on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
13:36 druthb @wunder 77098
13:35 cait if you could take alook soon it would be great - i'd love to move this forward the next days
13:34 cait Joubu: I didn't cover the new pref so far, will in my next session with your follow-up
13:33 Joubu cait: whaou, big comment, thanks! :)
13:33 cait Joubu: comments added
13:32 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:32 rambutan @wunder boo
13:32 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 1.4°C (8:32 AM CDT on April 15, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
13:32 rambutan @wunder 64507
13:29 cait khall: done
13:15 cait Joubu: i found a couple of small things - nothing big so far, but still have to test the new pref functionality
13:14 Joubu cait: ok thanks
13:14 cait khall: saw now that you tell it the printer in the job
13:14 talljoy cait, i haven't found anything that scares khall yet.
13:14 khall cait: good point, you should fail qa on it with that as a note
13:14 cait hi Joubu, i will put up my first batch of testing notes soon, i thought i had run into a bigger problem but it resolved itself - still working on the staged
13:13 * cait might have scared away khall now
13:13 Joubu cait: yep
13:13 cait oh, I didn't realize you were the author
13:11 cait khall: the patch also only seems to modify reserves, but not old_reserves
13:09 cait so being able to pick a specific printer for different tasks was wanted
13:09 cait but some prints were supposed to go to the big printer or reverse
13:09 cait with another system i know there was always the problem that the standard printer is the slip printer
13:09 cait hm not sure there, but i think configuring printers from the web might have advantages
13:06 khall : )
13:06 cait never mind, i looked it up :)
13:06 cait khall: render you a verdict?
12:53 huginn khall: The operation succeeded.
12:53 khall @later tell gmcharlt can you please ready my reply on bug 8352 and render me a verdict? thanks!
12:49 cait hm maybe
12:48 oleonard In that case it should probably be marked "assigned"
12:47 cait oleonard: i htink he just wanted to put the code out somewhere - and itmight clash with some of the other fixes around right now .hm.
12:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron
12:43 oleonard paxed: Is Bug 12085 awaiting signoff? If so, can you please add a test plan?
12:32 cait Joubu: still around?
12:27 cait hi oleonard :)
12:24 oleonard Hi #koha
12:10 cait hi francharb
12:10 francharb morning
09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12086 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed
09:41 cait bug 12086
09:29 cait *sigh*
09:29 cait i think i foundanother priority issue...
09:29 cait thx
09:28 paxed just throwing it up there, perhaps it'll be of some use.
09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron
09:28 paxed eh. bug 12085
09:28 paxed cait: see 12085
09:22 cait woudl be good to see that signed off so we can fix it up a bit more
09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12079 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , CheckReserves() and _Findgroupreserve do not return reserve_id
09:22 cait yeah, we are still moving into it, there is a patch - bug 12079
09:21 cait but it's not old, so some of the code still needs updating
09:21 paxed sure, but it's not used.
09:21 cait we got a reserveid now
09:21 cait ah no longer i think
09:21 paxed yes. the reserves table uses patron, bibitem and date as the unique key. which is silly.
09:20 cait always so much to do...
09:19 cait there are bugs for multiple holds, i think it's something that is quite desired
09:19 cait there has been quite a lot of work in that area recently
09:19 cait ah yeah
09:17 paxed we have a need to have multiple holds for the same person. i wrote a fix for that, and i wondered why the priorities weren't being recalc'd.
09:16 paxed hah.
09:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11947 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Hold priorities not re-calculated when hold is confirmed on checkin.
09:14 * cait tries to wrap her mind around bug 11947
09:12 paxed but at least we over here can go forward with this now.
09:12 cait ah, but it also says noone uses it :)
09:12 paxed ideally i'd fix the whole dateformat thing to allow the admin set the date format specifier, instead of just picking from a list.
09:11 paxed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country
09:10 cait huh?
09:10 paxed ah. wikipedia says "Since 1996-05-01, the international format yyyy-mm-dd has become the official standard date format" for Germany
09:09 cait we never got a complaint, but it would be nice to have the option
09:08 cait that's why i commented, I'd really like to see that
09:08 cait paxed: correct
09:08 paxed cait: isn't the dd.mm.yyyy format widely used in germany too?
08:47 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
08:47 cait @later tell could you take a look at bug 12042 for another native speaker's opionion maybe?
08:26 cait hi atheia :)
08:23 atheia Good morning Koha world!
07:40 kivilahtio or AMD seems to work noticeably better even under KVM compared to LXC on Intel
07:40 kivilahtio the price tag is interesting
07:39 kivilahtio I am feeling so great for buying Intel :)
07:39 kivilahtio http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/160/AMD_FX-Series_FX-8150_vs_Intel_Xeon_E5-2690.html
07:39 kivilahtio take a look at this :)
07:28 kivilahtio dac: me neither. Thanks and take care!
07:28 dac Alas, it's time for me to head home. Good luck!
07:28 dac Hmm, not sure, kivilahtio.
07:22 kivilahtio yeah there was something in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
07:22 kivilahtio dac: no idea. I installed apt-get install koha-deps
07:22 dac If so, I think there are some noted issues with that
07:21 dac kivilahtio: I haven't tried but are you using apache 2.4?
07:21 kivilahtio maybe running iwth nginx :)
07:19 kivilahtio apache2 doesnt recognize my sites-available/koha as a proper site when trying to "a2ensite koha" :(
07:18 kivilahtio has anyone installed koha on ubuntu 14.04?
07:17 kivilahtio hello matts
07:04 matts hello !
07:02 cait hi matts :)
06:54 cait bye eythian
06:54 eythian bye cait (and everyone else :)
06:54 cait hi eythian
06:54 eythian hi cait
06:37 eythian hi
06:37 reiveune hello
06:36 eythian shoulda fixed that upstream
06:36 eythian damn. Now I know why. Stupid versioning issues.
06:32 eythian so far so good...
06:29 eythian hopefully this works, haven't done it for a bit too long.
06:29 * eythian builds new master packages.
06:27 john__ :)
06:27 eythian I could use more debtors really ;)
06:26 john__ Anyway I'm your debtor
06:24 eythian it's what the channel is for :)
06:24 eythian no worries
06:23 john__ I'm so much appreciate your help!!!
06:23 john__ Thank you so much!!!!!
06:23 john__ Installation complete!
06:22 john__ Select your MARC flavor Marc21 Unimarc
06:22 eythian it's what the library uses. If it was a typically french speaking country, or some others, I would have said unimarc, but I'm pretty sure Indian libraries use marc21 generally.
06:20 john__ I mean server in India is this important?
06:16 eythian then marc21
06:16 john__ India
06:15 eythian and what country are you in?
06:15 john__ english
06:15 eythian what language are your records usually in?
06:15 eythian it depends on your library
06:13 john__ Sorry, what should I choose Marc21 or Unimarc?
06:10 john__ Yes I'm doing this now
06:10 eythian cool, now hit the web installer again and it should offer to set everything up for you.
06:09 john__ ok looks pretty empty :)
06:06 eythian when you delete whatever that one depends on, you'll be able to delete that one.
06:06 eythian skip it and come back to it.
06:05 john__ Cannot delete or update a parent row: a foreign key constraint fails
06:05 eythian yep
06:04 john__ delete means drop right?
06:02 john__ ok. let me try
06:01 eythian no, it'll do it for you. you don't need to do anything special.
06:01 john__ Just itself ? or I should run some command?
06:00 eythian (koha would see that there are no tables and create them for you.)
05:59 eythian that'd probably be easier as you wouldn't need to set it up again.
05:59 eythian you could use phpmyadmin to delete all the tables.
05:56 john__ And create new one
05:56 john__ Whould be enough to sudo koha-remove {instance}?
05:54 john__ Could you please guide me a bit on this?
05:54 eythian definitely safer if there's not much there.
05:53 eythian it could be, yeah.
05:53 john__ Actualy there is not much data in database. May be it will be easier to delete and create new instance?
05:53 eythian I don't know.
05:52 john__ How it has happen?
05:51 john__ yes I'm trying to compare them now.
05:50 eythian the main concern is that if the sessions table is missing, other things may be missing/wrong also.
05:49 john__ I'm using phpmyadmin to create it.
05:47 mtj http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/sessions.html
05:46 mtj john__ ^^ :)
05:46 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
05:46 mtj schema?
05:46 mtj ...or look at the schema for Koha too
05:46 eythian 2, see the create statement above.
05:45 john__ Sorry
05:45 john__ Stupid question how many columns should be in sessions table?
05:30 eythian what are the differences, and in particular, what are you missing (given you don't seem to have a sessions table.)
05:29 john__ I have 163 tables but in here http://paste.koha-community.org/213 only 161
05:27 john__ Ok let me compare them please
05:26 eythian if it's only sessions, then: CREATE TABLE `sessions` ( `id` varchar(32) NOT NULL, `a_session` text NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`id`)) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8
05:25 eythian see what is missing.
05:25 eythian your list of tables should look something like this.
05:25 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "list of tables in koha" (161 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/213
05:24 john__ What should I do?
05:24 eythian So if it's missing, what else is missing?
05:24 eythian I don't imagine it's change in the past several releases at least.
05:24 eythian john__: if you don't have a sessions table, something has probably gone screwey
05:23 john__ Ok, But before update was no essues with login
05:23 * rangi has to go catch his bus
05:23 eythian that'll be the issue
05:23 eythian yeah
05:23 rangi well theres the problem right there
05:22 john__ There is no sessons table in my koha database. I cant find it. For any case I'm emptyed search history table, restart sql but still same problem
05:21 eythian dont' forget to make the expiry time stochastic.
05:18 mtj to fix the google-books problem - swapping memcache for a mysql table will (hopefully?) fix that :)
05:16 mtj ...switching to google-books fixed that nicely.. but introduced a new problem when building a fresh isbn cache
05:14 mtj so, for new books - OL often had a very small number of hits
05:12 mtj but the catch with OL was… OL have many covers - but not many *new* covers
05:12 mtj fwiw, the memcache solution worked really well with open-libraries covers
05:11 rangi which means that no $session is being created
05:11 rangi $anon_search_history = $session->param('search_history');
05:11 rangi its this line
05:09 john__ OK, let me try
05:08 eythian john__: try deleting everything from the sessions table in the database.
05:08 john__ to delete and create new instanse will help?
05:07 mtj so, 1step forward, 1step back :)
05:06 mtj …switching to mysql will mean that each koha will be forced to have separate isbn caches :/
05:05 mtj i initially wanted many kohas sharing the memcache data, (that made some good sense)
05:04 john__ Deleted, same error
05:04 mtj yeah, i think i will have to switch to just using a mysql table
05:03 eythian delete your cookies for the koha site, in your browser.
05:03 john__ is there is some special place for CGISESSID cookies? I cant find it in preferances?
05:02 eythian (for example.)
05:02 eythian why not just put that in the database with a 30-day ± random <=2 days?
05:01 mtj the success/failure is added to the cache
05:01 eythian ah
05:01 mtj to check that a bib's isbn has a book-cover
05:00 eythian mtj: why is Koha hitting google, anyway?
04:59 rangi id go into your browser and delete the CGISESSID cookie
04:59 mtj ...on a production server after a memcached restart, a nagios ping will cause a bunch of kohas to hit google at the same time
04:59 rangi its nothing to do with indexes
04:59 john__ I have done a full reindex after an upgrade
04:58 eythian or rather, cookie format changed
04:58 rangi could be, try hitting the opac, then the staff interface
04:58 eythian bad cookie?
04:57 rangi its the search history
04:57 john__ What could be a soilution for that? What do you thing?
04:56 mtj eythian, its not really dodgy - i'm just bumping into a scaling problem with the caro
04:55 john__ 695 in my case
04:55 rangi that was from 3.2 to 3.6
04:55 rangi you are to 3.14.5
04:55 john__ line 695
04:54 john__ No, I'm not a fist one. http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/3-2-to-3-8-upgrade-no-items-available-td5728914.html#a5728915
04:54 rangi what line is it giving that error on
04:54 john__ yes
04:53 john__ Beeng searching for last two days
04:53 rangi yeah its not a known bug, you seem to be the first one to have run into it, going to 3.14.05 eh?
04:52 john__ I cant find any solution on the web.
04:51 john__ from 3.8 to current
04:51 rangi going from what version to what version?
04:50 john__ Oh thanks! Yes, It happens after update. Then when I was trying to login as admin to koha it start to uptade database and after that I'm geting this message
04:49 rangi gonna need a lot more context than that
04:47 john__ Hello everybody. Sorry to start from whining but for two days I'm tring to fix one problem with no success. Could someone help me with this: Can't call method "param" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm ???
04:42 eythian sounds dodgy.
04:42 mtj i think a persistent cache would solve that problem
04:41 rangi hmm that sounds like we are breaking their t&c then
04:41 mtj so the problem is… its quite easy to get banned by google, when building up a fresh memcached cache :/
04:41 eythian that doesn't address the question of why a persistent cache is a requirement.
04:40 mtj why?, coz they have the best coverage of new book images - compared to OL
04:39 mtj the really short version of the caro problem is, i've been targeting google-bookcovers, as a source
04:38 eythian later
04:38 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha rangi eythian mtj.
04:38 eythian But I don't understand why you'd need a "persistent cache" (given those two words are somewhat of an oxymoron together.)
04:38 mtompset Well, I should sleep.
04:38 rangi heya :)
04:38 mtj heya chris :)
04:38 eythian also, redis would involve a lot of extra configuration, I'd expect.
04:37 rangi maybe do the carousel as a plugin
04:37 rangi ppl might run memcache, they might do mmap, they might do whatever .. but i dont think making it a depedency of core koha is a good idea
04:36 rangi the cache should be designed to be independent
04:36 eythian mtj: why?
04:36 mtompset mtj, I say sign it off, and if some QA person comes back and says, it needs sign off by someone else, that's fine.
04:36 mtj eythian, it turns out to be quite crucial for the feature :/
04:35 * mtompset grins, "Autocomplete!"
04:35 eythian mtj
04:35 eythian err
04:35 mtompset I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that question.
04:35 eythian How long does it take to populate the cache the first time?
04:35 eythian mtompset: is cache persistence after reboot/restart a useful thing to have?
04:34 mtj yep, so perhaps we both cant sign-off on that bug?
04:33 mtompset and squashed.
04:33 mtompset Yes, but some of that patch you rebased was MINE. ;)
04:33 mtj hmm, i cant sign-off on my own patch
04:32 mtj mtompset, just read it :)
04:28 mtj cache persistence after reboot/restart etc...
04:28 mtompset on a side note, mtj, did you notice my comment on 10823?
04:27 mtj i have a old carousel feature, that uses memcached… but it would work much better with redis (i think)
04:26 mtompset And let's add nodejs and php and ... ;)
04:26 eythian to do what?
04:22 mtj hey peeps, what do people think about using Redis for a new feature for Koha?
03:43 mtompset eythian: Yes, but it looked like an interesting dialogue to check. :)
03:43 eythian mostly just talking to myself.
03:42 * mtompset scurries back to the irc logs.
03:41 eythian I think the docs are wrong.
03:38 eythian which is frankly bizarre
03:38 eythian that seems to say that anything with a mapped db column can't be changed using modbiblio.
03:37 eythian to be used to try to modify item records.
03:37 eythian are present in C<$record>. Consequently, ModBiblio() is not
03:37 eythian version of the bib record replace any such fields of those tags that
03:37 eythian item, biblioitem, and biblionumber fields from the previous
03:37 eythian > The embedded
03:37 eythian actually, either the docs are wrong, or ModBiblio has some weird behaviour
03:37 eythian looks like no
03:35 * eythian wonders if a call to ModBiblio providing no items data will delete existing items.
00:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12075: fix keyboard shortcuts broken by jQueryUI upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcca71f0befa92d2212855aecfc0f473b6304832>