Time  Nick          Message
23:54 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11734 - Use new DataTables include in batch modification templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7349f847fad28ada0eb98cd5ebb44d563d7ee0f7> / Bug 11711 - Use new DataTables include in circ templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=612b33ae69adbed63e55c91f7314f6c2888f6d71> / Bug 11855: remove unused template file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
23:44 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11978 - Fix URLs displayed in OverDrive search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea5040bad2d3d0d298a9b27a95b81e2a3d7a9ad0> / Bug 9075: Rename "type" to "material type" on OPAC XSLT detail and results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=007c94ff20a5c9d9c3121849b42f820a0da5b869> / Bug 9075: Rename "type" to "material type" on staff XSLT detail and results <http:/
23:42 gmcharlt      heh
23:41 wahanui       OK, eythian.
23:41 eythian       wahanui: use strict is <reply>http://wellington.pm.org/archive/200606/tdd/images/hindenberg_strict.jpg
23:41 wajasu        i;m working in master
23:41 wajasu        pulled it up
23:41 wajasu        i looked in staff client for a book.  for marc record cicked item tab.  cut full call number, and pasted in opac   callnum:BV 3265.3 .I525 2009
23:37 wajasu        found callnum in zebra's ccl.properties  but haven't had luck finding anything with it yet.
23:35 gml           (I'm working on CCL querys from Search.pm subs)
23:34 gml           callnumbers stored in 942$h and 942$i can be found through 'callnum'?
23:34 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7413: (follow-up) tweak description of the AllowRenewalLimitOverride syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6813e560f70c5efa2e7697876ba52e47c83c447d> / Bug 7413: (follow-up) teach renew interface about too_soon <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c79241868e981a0e3a90f9ce83d28f286ee285> / Bug 7413: (follow-up) add direct unit tests <http://git.koha-communit
23:28 wajasu        let me see if i can try on my local db
23:28 gml           wajasu: at what level can I use LC-callnumber or Local-classification? zebra internal settings files? (I just find something in the koha manual, but I don't know how to use these search indexes in the code)
23:24 gml           comparing visible structure differences between imported vs created records, I don't see any ones in biblio.cn_class, biblio.cn_item, or even the ones stored in biblio.marcxml
23:15 wajasu        LC-callnumber 050   vs   callnum is Local-classificaiton 952$o    i think
23:11 rangi         then check what is different regarding the callnumber in both of them
23:11 rangi         and if you can find imported ones, but not ones you have created
23:10 rangi         but if you can find them searching by title, its not a matter of the job not having run yet
23:10 rangi         cronjob
23:09 gml           how zebra is updated after a newly record (in biblio or in items) is created with the GUI? this update occurs immediately or by means of a cronjob?
23:00 wajasu        or LC-call-number
22:59 wajasu        i wonder if Local-classification:  will work.
22:56 gml           yes I do, just tested title in intranet with advanced search
22:53 pianohacker   gml: can you find newly created records using, say a title or keyword search?
22:52 gml           I've noticed that callnum searches fail with newly records created with the cataloguing web GUI, but not with the batch-migrated records.
22:45 gml           Hello guys, please someone could help me: Do you know reasons for failing the zebra search by 'callnum'? (other searches such as 'kw' or 'pn' does work normally, but 'callnum' doesn't)
22:30 wajasu        that means i'll have to query each facet index sequentially, upon a ERROR 25.  but that shouldn't be too much of a delay. (approx 6 zebra facet queries.
22:28 wajasu        or Suppress
22:28 wajasu        probably the same deal with noob with no records
22:28 wajasu        ok. so for a query to succeed, even a zebra::facet query, one must have a result for that index.  or else ERROR 25..
22:25 rangi         need to fix that sometime
22:24 wahanui       kai ora, eythian
22:24 eythian       hi
22:23 cait          good night all
21:59 wajasu        i wonder is my new indexes that don't currently exists for index : 0 should be called  Subject-to vs su-to   or  Subject-geo  vs su-geo
21:37 mtompset      Thanks, gmcharlt. :)
21:36 gmcharlt      mtompset++
21:23 mtompset      good night, magnuse. :)
21:22 cait          good night magnuse
21:21 pianohacker   good night magnuse
21:20 magnuse       oh, well, time to sleep, have fun #koha!
21:20 magnuse       that would be nice
21:20 cait          subscription? :)
21:20 magnuse       hehe
21:20 pianohacker   Yeah, I could use a bulk delivery service of those
21:20 wajasu        or maybe bitcoins
21:19 pianohacker   oh! I'd never heard that phrase before
21:19 cait          +1
21:18 ibeardslee    Can someone get wahanui to give out round tuits for people that need them?
21:17 pianohacker   round tuits?
21:17 magnuse       i will have some evenings during easter, i'll see what i can do, but if anyone wants to beat me to it...
21:17 cait          :)
21:17 magnuse       pianohacker: i'd love to, but i'm running out of round tuits...
21:17 mtompset      oh right... testing... got distracted.
21:16 pianohacker   I'm just fishing for testers over here :)
21:16 * magnuse     waves to cait
21:16 pianohacker   hi, cait
21:16 * cait        waves
21:15 pianohacker   magnuse: I did implement a solution to your problem with using the editor without pazpar2 in the latest followup, btw. Any chance you could test it sometime soon, please?
21:15 mtompset      Thanks. I tried.
21:15 rangi         mtompset++ #good email
21:10 magnuse       yeah, it can lead to confusion rather quickly, i fear...
21:10 magnuse       so you can have say 008 position 06 be audience, but "a" in  marc21 can mean adult, and it can mean teenager i nnormarc
21:10 pianohacker   definitely not a good idea to mix them up then
21:10 pianohacker   ohhhhh, gotcha...
21:09 magnuse       marc 21 and normarc share the same 00x fields (well there are some in marc21 that are not in normarc), and the same positions in those fields, but the different codes mean different things
21:08 magnuse       ooh...
21:08 pianohacker   end of the monthe
21:08 magnuse       when is feature freeze, btw?
21:08 magnuse       yay!
21:08 pianohacker   magnuse: very very soon, we're trying to get everything in before the feature freeze
21:08 pianohacker   yeah, probably best to play it safe. Are the two standards similar enough that that might be a reasonable approach at some point in the future?
21:08 magnuse       what's the timeframe for using the xml?
21:07 magnuse       hm, my gut feeling is that it is better not to have "something that is not normarc" labeled as normarc...
21:06 magnuse       lol
21:06 * pianohacker is making assumptions about marc standards, always a good idea
21:06 pianohacker   there's a file called cateditor-widgets-marc21.inc; I can make cateditor-widgets-normarc.inc just import cateditor-widgets-marc21.inc for now, and then we can add widgets for the tags that are different. That way you at least have something
21:04 magnuse       whaddaya mean "based on marc21"?
21:03 pianohacker   magnuse: I can always just make the widgets for normarc based on marc21 for now
21:03 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10997 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Modernize value_builders for NORMARC
21:03 magnuse       and it means i should get cracking on bug 10997, if i only had the time
21:02 magnuse       yeah, that sounds like a good plan
21:02 pianohacker   magnuse: The initial release will require editing the coded fields verbatim, at least for UNIMARC. I'm working on supporting the XML format used for MARC21 006 and 008; then the UNIMARC plugins can be ported to that, which is to the benefit of both editors
21:01 magnuse       pianohacker: did you decide on a good way to adapt rancor to unimarc and normarc? i never got round to talking about that in marseille...
20:53 pianohacker   Well, not candy. But really nice pictures of candy from the internet!
20:53 pianohacker   Free candy for all testers
20:53 bag           who's going to test them?
20:49 gmcharlt      pianohacker: great
20:49 pianohacker   gmcharlt: rancor update; still working on fixed fields, but the rest should be ready. New set of patches ready for testing by anyone in the community
20:40 wajasu        well.  i'm making it minimal.
20:40 mtompset      When you get it working and have a test plan that an idiot can follow, I'll test it. :)
20:34 wajasu        but the 490a shows up if i do a Title search
20:33 wajasu        must be some corner case.
20:31 wajasu        but it might be because of the way the search query is done in "Library catalog" and "Author" selections in main search box.
20:30 wajasu        mtompset: i am stuck with testing my 11232 patch.  the Series facet doesn't seem to always show all the 490a for zebra facets compared to the current brute force way.
20:24 mtompset      I like what you said, rangi. I think it is a decent reply.
20:23 rangi         but now its time to do the school run
20:22 rangi         we run into this all the time
20:22 rangi         its the problem with the rfp process, there is no place to tell them all the things it does instead or as well as those things, so basically the only thing that can fill the rfp is their current system
20:22 rangi         people only compare against what they know
20:21 rangi         this is the problem
20:21 rangi         probably something in athena
20:21 pianohacker   What are supervisor and manuals, come to think of it?
20:20 rangi         something like, its interesting you want koha compared against other open source systems. this is perhaps because this is the only thing you can actually reallly do, as with all the proprietary ones, you can't actually see the code, or the schema or anything like that. So you can't actually compare them. I have no doubt tho that in every feature, including security and borrower privacy Koha compares favourably to any proprietary system, Destiny included.
20:20 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
20:20 wajasu        its what is holding up my bug 11232 patch
20:18 wajasu        its when i get a certain set of results, that my 490a Title-series  disappears. for my zebra facets.
20:18 rangi         on the mail list, comparing koha
20:18 mtompset      usp?
20:17 rangi         cant think of a nice way to reply to that usp email
20:17 pianohacker   you're sighing meaningfully but vaguely
20:17 pianohacker   wassup rangi
20:16 rangi         *sigh*
20:11 huginn        rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:11 rangi         @later tell oleonard you should ping fridolyn, once its in 3.14.x then it can go into the other stables
20:09 wajasu        i have 11 biblios in my test db.  i specifically exported them with rebuild_zebra and i get a missing 490a with those 11 results. once i remove one from the list, the 490a appears (Title-series).  this is for a zebra facets query
18:48 bag           :)
18:48 wahanui       que tal, magnuse
18:48 magnuse       bag: HI
18:35 mtompset      I prefer 3 spaces myself, but 4 is the koha standard. :)
18:30 druthb        eh?
18:28 pianohacker   druthb: you use 3-space indentation?
18:28 pianohacker   oh, what in the seven
18:15 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
18:10 oleonard      Bye #koha
18:00 oleonard      Is there a notice for warning patrons in advance that their accounts are about to expire?
17:36 * wajasu      divides and conquers to find a possible rogue biblio
17:34 pianohacker   trw-------
17:34 pianohacker   I don't want my sticky rolls to be have fully-open permissions
17:34 wajasu        pianohacker: no sticky bit?
17:29 bag           magnuse  HI
17:26 pianohacker   -rwxrwxrwx++
17:25 pianohacker   goddamn -rw-r--r
17:25 huginn        druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 20.0°C (12:25 PM CDT on April 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).  Wind Advisory in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 7 PM CDT this evening...
17:25 druthb        @wunder 77098
17:25 huginn        druthb: coming after a ": 1, "people_who_don't_know_how_to_make_a_csv": 1, and "bag": 1
17:25 druthb        @more
17:24 huginn        druthb: "windchill": 3, "people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8": 2, "yui": 2, "css": 2, "Microfilm": 2, "<-": 2, "^": 2, "ie": 2, "district": 1, "hay_fever": 1, "windows_all": 1, "M$": 1, "windows": 1, "chainsaw": 1, "wifi": 1, "-rw-r--r": 1, "printer": 1, "network_fail": 1, "sinuses": 1, "seriously": 1, "out-": 1, "titles": 1, "d probably mean changing the interface a bit, e.g. having all the passed-on options (1 more message)
17:24 druthb        @most decreased
17:24 pianohacker   The config file format is pretty nice after years of apache
17:24 huginn        druthb: "gmcharlt": 56, "cait": 50, "oleonard": 45, "eythian": 41, "rangi": 33, "tcohen": 28, "magnuse": 22, "fridolin": 19, "wizzyrea": 19, "ashimema": 18, "khall": 17, "jcamins": 15, "Joubu": 15, "bag": 14, "dpavlin": 13, "marcelr": 13, "paul_p": 8, "pianohacker": 8, "mtompset": 8, "wajasu": 6, "dbs": 6, "dcook": 6, "druthb": 6, "aleisha": 5, and "kivilahtio": 5
17:24 druthb        @most increased
17:23 druthb        nginx++
17:23 pianohacker   nginx++
17:23 pianohacker   also,
17:23 pianohacker   hey druthb
17:23 druthb        hi, bag!
17:23 bag           heya druthb
17:15 pianohacker   overdrive doesn't seem to have a way of getting any info out to devs like Amazon, so most likely!
17:13 oleonard      Sure. Easy fix, easy test. I'll bet that API change screwed up lots of folks.
17:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11978 major, P1 - high, ---, jweaver, Passed QA , OverDrive API now prepends http:// to URLs
17:12 pianohacker   Thanks for testing bug 11978
17:12 pianohacker   oleonard++
17:09 wajasu        sometimes years, sometimes days
17:08 * oleonard    confesses he does not know how long it usually takes things to make it into stable
17:08 oleonard      (duplicate)
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12049 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , DatePicker not translated
17:07 oleonard      Because now Bug 12049
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11618 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , jQuery timepicker is not picked up by the i18n toolchain
17:07 oleonard      Is there a reason why Bug 11618 is not getting pushed to the stable branches?
17:04 * wajasu      waves
17:03 pianohacker   hey #koha
16:56 wajasu        i guess i can wittle throughthe 57 to see if certain one(s) are responsible
16:56 wajasu        makes me wonder if having certain biblios can put the kabosh on some zebra logic/pipeline.  dom filter.
16:55 wajasu        weird. with my zebra facets search for books with 57 results i can't see a certain Title-series from 490a, but if i rebuild the index with just two of the biblios that have that Title-series, they show in my zebra facets.
16:19 magnuse       ouch! http://heartbleed.com/
16:15 reiveune      bye
13:21 francharb     thanks oleonard !
13:21 oleonard      Should just be available items.
13:21 francharb     Should we see holds on checked out items in the hold queue? or, is it just holds on available items?
13:15 oleonard      Wow I would never have guessed
13:14 paul_p        oleonard = a lot of ppl speak french in Romania & Moldova. The woman who picked me up at the airport had an almost perfect french -and she's never been in France !-
13:07 oleonard      Are you practicing your Romanian language skills?
13:06 paul_p        if we win the RFP yes, exciting ;-)
13:05 oleonard      Exciting!
13:05 paul_p        (for a big EU project with moldovan universities)
13:05 paul_p        arrived a few hours ago. 3 days of Koha demo starting tomorrow.
13:05 paul_p        oleonard yes I am. In a really strange/new place those days: Chisinau, in Moldavia !
13:04 oleonard      ...and hi paul_p! I hope you are well :)
13:00 oleonard      They just asked to be listed a few days ago, so they have no excuse.
12:59 paul_p        oleonard (+link to the demo broken...) looks a little bit abandonned...
12:41 oleonard      http://www.bibliorion.com/
12:41 oleonard      Wow it's been a while since I've seen an all-flash site. I never expected that from a Koha support company.
12:27 fridolin      hie all
12:19 francharb     morning
12:17 meliss        hi oleonard
12:16 oleonard      Hi #koha
10:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8735 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Expire holds waiting only on days the library is open
10:57 paxed         ah. bug 8735
10:44 paxed         looking at the code, it seems like CancelExpiredReserves() (that is, the ReservesMaxPickUpDelay syspref) doesn't seem to consider library closed dates at all?
10:23 magnuse       yeah, with git bz you get that for free
10:13 atheia        Most other bugs will have commit messages as comments.
10:13 atheia        hmm, not sure whether the commit msg would then appear. If it hasn't I would add it.
10:11 paxed         atheia: via web.
10:08 atheia        Did you upload via the webform?
10:08 atheia        paxed: the commit message should normally appear if you use 'git bz'.
10:03 paxed         hm. should i comment on a bug with the patch commit message, if i uploaded the patch to bugzilla? (seeing how it doesn't automagically show the commit msg...)
08:40 cait          hi magnuse
08:37 atheia        Hi magnuse
08:36 * magnuse     waves to cait and atheia
08:34 atheia        Not too bad. Upgrades and such…
08:30 cait          how are you doing?
08:27 atheia        ;-)
08:26 cait          on a train again...shaky? :)
08:24 atheia        How's things?
08:24 atheia        Morning cait
08:24 cait          hi atheia
08:24 cait          hi #koha
06:56 alex_a        bonjour
06:53 magnuse       bonjour france!
06:40 wahanui       niihau, reiveune
06:40 reiveune      hello
06:32 * wajasu      signs off
06:30 wajasu        thx.  i'm just doing minimal changes. (additional indexes, without removing existing)
06:28 dcook         thought he would*
06:28 * dcook       thought he was just barge in with some librarian-ness
06:28 dcook         Good luck in any case.
06:28 dcook         Tough to say without looking further, and I'm crazy busy.
06:27 dcook         Actually, I think my idea could work, since "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" is parsing the whole MARC record. It's just an extra bit of XPath. Of course, I'm not sure it's a great idea to start playing around too much..
06:27 wajasu        i tried making a new distinct index called Series : 0   but still don't see my 490a.   One thing is there is also a 490  index.  I'll try to comment that out to see if its interfering.
06:26 dcook         I suppose you could always use both
06:26 dcook         But it would be nice to use an authority when available..
06:26 dcook         You need 490 for the cases when you don't have an 830...
06:26 dcook         The 490/830 thing is interesting.
06:25 wajasu        i think i'm getting pipped.
06:25 dcook         Good. You won't want to retrieve it.
06:25 dcook         It might depend on where you've placed it. As paul_p mentioned on Bugzilla, you might be getting pipped by another index
06:24 wajasu        well, that would mean i would have to retrieve the marc record to decide.  and i am not retrieving it yet.
06:24 dcook         That is, if the series isn't traced, use 490. If it is traced, use 830.
06:24 wajasu        i got all the facets looking like the current implementation, but for series, i seem not to get one book's 490a.  i have an index in that for Title-series:0, which i use for the element set name, and can't seem to get it to show.
06:22 dcook         I haven't looked at the DOM indexing stuff, but if a person can play with indicators...
06:22 dcook         The 830 will have the authorized form, where an authorized form is available.
06:22 dcook         The 490 is always going to have the series statement (in theory)
06:22 dcook         Actually...what you might be able to do...
06:21 dcook         If you're getting more hits on 830, your data might be off
06:21 dcook         They should use 490
06:21 wajasu        i think i see both series titles in the details page which might use 830a.   but the current facets use 490a
06:21 dcook         Not legacy data. "Current" data.
06:21 dcook         Ah, my mistake. Sorry 'bout that ;)
06:20 dcook         Actually, I better doublecheck that :p
06:20 wajasu        830a is legacy?
06:20 dcook         wajasu: That would be legacy data
06:20 wajasu        ok. just want to be sure.
06:19 dcook         Noope
06:19 wajasu        for facets
06:19 wajasu        i also wonder if we should use 830a instead of 490a.  I seem to see the same series title in both, but get more results with 830a.
06:18 magnuse       learning is good, right? ;-)
06:16 wajasu        i did not think i would have to learn so much about zebra.
06:16 wajasu        i think its got to do with the facet that the general search box does a @attr 1=6   word list search, while the 490a  series title might only be in the : p register.
06:14 wajasu        eythian++
06:14 magnuse       eythian++
06:14 wahanui       That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
06:14 magnuse       eythian: awesome!
06:14 wajasu        i've kind of got the zebra facets working, but i can't get the 490a  Title-series : 0  to show in the Series facet section.
06:14 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Improve Koha::Cache
06:14 eythian       bug 12041
06:13 eythian       I just redid koha::cache to make it work better
06:13 eythian       magnuse: yeah, I'm tracking down the issues and sorting them.
06:13 eythian       later
06:13 magnuse       ooh, "Support for plackifying the staff client"
06:13 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha, eythian wizzyrea dcook magnuse
06:13 eythian       you might be able to use koha gitify in conjunction with it, I'm not sure.
06:12 * mtompset    dreams. :)
06:12 mtompset      I'll have to look at it later. Perhaps it will be obvious for me to tweak to work on my git.
06:11 eythian       I manually made mine work with both
06:11 eythian       yeah
06:11 mtompset      Quick question before I sleep, eythian. :) So, this plackify works on the packages, not a git?
06:02 magnuse       hiya dcook
06:02 dcook         heya magnuse :)
06:01 dac           Wha, I quit?
06:00 * magnuse     waves
06:00 wahanui       kai ora, magnuse
06:00 magnuse       bag: HI
05:10 bag           UCONN!!!!
04:36 eythian       it's very alpha
04:36 eythian       http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git
04:36 eythian       yes
04:34 mtompset      koha-plackify?
04:33 mtompset      is port 11211 the default memcached port?
04:31 eythian       which is something that koha-plackify can do
04:31 eythian       and then you need to set up the environment vars
04:30 eythian       -h
04:30 eythian       apt-get install memchached
04:29 mtompset      documentation url?
04:28 eythian       memcache is easy
04:27 mtompset      If only I could figure out how to install plack and memcache, I'd test your patch.
04:03 dcook         eythian++
04:02 wizzyrea      eythian++
03:59 eythian       phew, caching system heavily modified, and all the tests pass.
03:59 wizzyrea      this sounds like what koha does already
03:58 Alias         let's do first with show a database on a screen
03:55 wizzyrea      besides "show things on a screen" because that is not a great amount of information
03:55 wizzyrea      what do you want your module to do?
03:51 Alias         you know, I'm a student. And my exercise is add a module to koha, it can connect to any database.
03:49 wajasu        picture is worth...
03:49 mtompset      Yes, that's a good start at getting the books in. :)
03:49 wajasu        http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/02/29/altering-marc-records-in-marcedit-before-importing-in-to-koha/
03:49 wajasu        Alias: http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/04/11/importing-marc-records-in-to-koha-3-8/
03:48 wizzyrea      well, I'm trying to think of someone who can help you in your language - that'll be easier.
03:48 Alias         connected and show it on a webpage
03:47 Alias         can you  help me?
03:47 Alias         " have records for books and people and stuff from another database that you want to put into Koha"
03:46 wizzyrea      when you're bored.
03:46 wizzyrea      well no
03:46 eythian       erm. Maybe, though not right now.
03:46 wizzyrea      :)
03:46 wahanui       MARC is the standard that isn't
03:46 wizzyrea      eythian: can you teach wahanui that when we say something like "zip it" he shuts up for 5 minutes or something
03:46 mtompset      MARC?
03:46 wahanui       mtompset: what?
03:46 * mtompset    laughs, "Not useful, wahanui."
03:46 wahanui       MARC data is probably being migrated from 2.2.9 to 3.2
03:46 wizzyrea      MARC data?
03:46 Alias         yeah
03:46 wizzyrea      True.
03:45 wahanui       Wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
03:45 Alias         Wizzyrea
03:45 wizzyrea      oh, ok so you have some kind of data that you want to put into Koha
03:45 Alias         no no, not old system, this's a my  exercise
03:44 wizzyrea      you have records for books and people and stuff from another database that you want to put into Koha? does that sound right?
03:44 mtompset      Is the database an old system that you want to change to Koha?
03:43 huginn        Alias: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
03:43 Alias         @@
03:43 Alias         to hard to say what i mean
03:43 mtompset      Is the database another library system, Alias?
03:43 eythian       Oh, a friend's girlfriend is Laos. However, that doesn't help us either.
03:43 wizzyrea      ?
03:43 mtompset      I think you are right, wizzyrea.
03:43 wizzyrea      what system are you coming from/
03:42 wizzyrea      don't need a a plugin for that either
03:42 Alias         Laos
03:42 wizzyrea      ohhhh you want to move your things from another system to Koha?
03:42 wizzyrea      what is your native language?
03:42 Alias         and import other database: patrons, staffs, books, user,....
03:42 mtompset      Home -> Tools -> Import patrons.
03:41 mtompset      You don't need a plug in for that.
03:41 Alias         maybe
03:41 mtompset      Do you want to import patrons?
03:41 Alias         (sr, because my EL is not really good) :(
03:40 eythian       Alias: you're going to have to provide a lot more detail.
03:40 mtompset      What do you mean import a database user?
03:39 Alias         ex, I have a database user, and i want to import it
03:37 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
03:37 wizzyrea      the first question?
03:36 wizzyrea      Alias: what are you trying to do with your connection to the database?
03:36 wahanui       it has been said that z39.50 is the ANSI standard of the beast.
03:36 eythian       wahanui: z39.50
03:36 Alias         yes, i want to connect to other database.
03:35 eythian       It sometimes connects to other databases via Z39.50 to get information.
03:34 eythian       Koha spends all its time connected to a MySQL database.
03:34 eythian       what does "connect database" mean?
03:34 Alias         I'm trying to connect database, do you have any document or video?
03:33 dcook         ^
03:32 eythian       Alias: what are you actually trying to do?
03:32 dcook         Alias: Maybe what you really want is this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
03:30 Alias         can i write by JavaScript?
03:30 wajasu        perl
03:30 wajasu        you could look at t/Koha/Plugin/Test.pm    to get started.   i am not sure, but i think they are zip files(.kpz)  that overlay and the plugin handler looks at C4::Context->config("enable_plugins")
03:30 Alias         and, plugin is written by JavaScript or perl?
03:25 eythian       cjh volunteered.
03:24 Alias         yeah, let's write a wiki page that's an intro to writing plugins...
03:18 * cjh         nominates eythian
03:18 eythian       * bags not
03:18 eythian       someone* needs to go write a wiki page that's an intro to writing plugins.
03:18 huginn        04Bug 7804: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Koha Plugin System
03:18 wizzyrea      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804#c2 < this comment
03:17 wizzyrea      there is an example plugin there.
03:17 wizzyrea      this is the bug that added the feature
03:17 huginn        04Bug 7804: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Koha Plugin System
03:17 wizzyrea      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804
03:17 mtompset      That's probably a bad assumption.
03:17 * mtompset    laughs.
03:17 * eythian     assumes there's documentation
03:16 eythian       Alias: you'll have to look at existing plugins, look at the plugin documentation, and start from there.
03:16 mtompset      There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere, Alias. Sorry, we can't help.
03:15 Alias         Help me, plz
03:15 mtompset      wizzyrea: Tiffany is okay. I like that song. :P
03:14 * mtompset    nods at eythian.
03:14 mtompset      There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere.
03:14 eythian       It's like deja-vu all over again.
03:13 Alias         How to create a plugin in koha?
03:13 mtompset      I counter your debbie gibson with whitney! http://youtu.be/eH3giaIzONA (I wanna dance with somebody)
03:12 wizzyrea      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Q3mHyzn78
03:12 * mtompset    cringes, "That's pretty bad."
03:11 wizzyrea      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I_WavHGBdA you're welcome.
03:10 mtompset      http://youtu.be/K38xNqZvBJI (1985 - Bowling for Soup)
03:09 wizzyrea      I can't!
03:08 mtompset      wizzyrea: Stop clicking!
03:08 mtompset      wizzyrea: I put the name of the song and band on the link.
03:07 wizzyrea      next thing will be debbie gibson and tiffany, and then you might as well call the coroner.
03:06 wizzyrea      someone please kill me I've gone down the new kids on the block rabbit hole.
02:50 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improvement of the funds list view
02:50 mtompset      I wanted to help cait out and test bug 11578, but something doesn't make sense to me intuitively.
02:49 mtompset      I'm confused on how acquisition budgets and funds are supposed to work.
02:48 eythian       :)
02:48 mtompset      eythian: Sorry about the NKOTB flashback. ;)
02:48 mtompset      Oh. :(
02:47 eythian       [14:28] * khall (~khall@h10.105.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) is binnengekomen bij #koha
02:47 eythian       [14:27] * khall heeft verlaten (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
02:47 eythian       mtompset: it was a reconnect.
02:45 mtompset      Is this really you, or just a computer? :)
02:45 mtompset      Greetings, khall!
02:21 wajasu        i clicked, and got 57 hits
02:14 eythian       http://i.imgur.com/VIM31JE.png <-- click here
02:12 mtompset      There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere.
02:11 * mtompset    laughs.
02:11 eythian       /kick mtompset NO!@#!@!@!#
02:10 mtompset      Musical flashback: http://youtu.be/ay6GjmiJTPM (step by step NKOTB)
02:09 Aslien        dcook: yah, I checked out ByWater but not anymore. They just have some example plugins. @@...
02:08 dcook         ^
02:08 eythian       you can't really make a plugin "step by step".
02:07 dcook         Aslien: No, I cannot help you, if that's the case. As I mentioned, check out the ByWater sites. If that's too complex, you'll probably have trouble trying to create a plugin.
02:06 eythian       arg Cache::Entry has some real brain-dead decisions in it.
02:05 Aslien        I need a document or video help me step by step make a plugin, but i can't find it. can you help me/.
02:03 dcook         bag: My home could use so many improvements :p. I do love hardware...
02:03 dcook         Aslien: It probably depends on what you want to do, but the examples I've seen have been written in Perl.
02:01 Aslien        plugin koha is written by javascript or perl language?
01:56 bag           it’s pretty rad
01:56 bag           dcook: it’s an add for Lowe’s home improvement…  need help?
01:41 dcook         Aslien: I recommend looking at anything by ByWater as they're the ones who developed the plugin system
01:40 wajasu        i once came face to face with my  doppleganger. folks had mentioned of his existence for years.  we walked up to each other looked into each others eyes with no words spoken, then turned and walked away, never to see each other again.
01:40 dcook         No idea, Aslien. I haven't looked into it too much yet. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=koha+plugin
01:39 Aslien        I want to have a plugin connect database, have any document or anything else?
01:37 dcook         She didn't see the similarity, but everyone else did. It was pretty neat talking to a near duplicate of yourself, especially growing up in a family full of sisters :p
01:37 Aslien        How to make a plugin in koha?
01:37 wajasu        dcook++
01:37 dcook         However, once, I got to meet a doppelganger. He was dating a classmate of mine.
01:37 dcook         There are many people in the world who look like me. Usually, I hear about it through situations like this.
01:36 dcook         ibeardslee: *insert joke about politics here*
01:36 ibeardslee    you'd would hope you'd be aware if they were selling you
01:35 dcook         I can assure you that it wasn't me, but I'm curious
01:35 dcook         What were they selling?
01:35 dcook         lol
01:31 bag           Hi there dcook - just saw you
01:31 bag           just saw a comerical on tv - that the guy looked like dcook
00:54 * dcook       sees if he can crash his browser again..
00:53 dcook         I thought that was what we were doing right now :p
00:53 eythian       Not not working.
00:52 dcook         Working?
00:51 eythian       oh, I'm connected here by IPv6, that'll be why this channel is still working.
00:49 wajasu        i recently migrated a company from xp to win7 and hacks plus new security broke old app functionality.  explorer 10 (no dhtml .htc scripts) broke even more so 8  expl 8 became the new corp standard.
00:49 eythian       yeah, we've convinced some of them to do that.
00:48 dcook         Done.
00:48 dcook         I think the best response to IE breaking things is "So I switched to Firefox or Chrome instead."
00:48 dcook         eythian: That sounds familiar. I think we might've run into similar issues.
00:47 eythian       we have people who keep turning compatibility mode on, and it breaks the staff client.
00:46 wajasu        lets add a mode to koha :)
00:46 dcook         My summary: "Oh no. Everyone's website breaks for IE 10/11 because the classic workarounds no longer work, but our browser still doesn't perform up to snuff, so let's add a 'mode' and act like we're doing you a favour for bringing back what we already took away."
00:45 dcook         http://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http%3a%2f%2fvideo.ch9.ms%2fsessions%2fbuild%2f2014%2f2-559.pptx