Time Nick Message 01:08 dcook Hmm... I have a Koha on a remote server but I want to play with its metadata... 01:08 dcook I think this might be a job for Koha RESTFUL API 01:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:10 wajasu hi 01:10 wahanui hey, wajasu 01:10 wajasu i fall for that every time. 01:11 dbs rangi: hey, I've been talking about koha's # of systems (minimum estimate) for a while now! 01:12 dbs (Estimate being a minimum of 2,500 libraries, via the breeding thing; couldn't find better official stats when I went through the koha-community web site / wiki) 01:14 dcook dbs: If the Breeding thing says a minimum of 2,500, I can only imagine the actual number 01:15 dcook We have about 100 libraries alone, iirc, and we're a rather small org 01:20 dbs dcook: right. Which is why I say "minimum estimate". 01:21 dbs If you want to publicize a larger number, you need to make it easy for authors to find so they can publicize it. 01:22 dcook dbs: Totally. I wasn't criticizing. Just stating my awe of the unknown ;). 01:24 mtj hey mtompset, which bugs did you want me to take a look at, yesterday? 01:24 mtompset bug 10823 and bug 10825 01:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10823 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , add class info to enumchron data in detail.tt, for better styling 01:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10825 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , detail.tt displays duplicated enumchron values for serial items 01:24 mtj also, attn: perl n3rdz, -> http://www.infoq.com/interviews/conway-perl 01:25 mtompset basically, I believe 10823 just needs your sign off, and my sign off, and then QA can take it. 01:25 mtompset Then 10825 needs to be dependent on 10823. 01:25 mtj mtompset, no no .. which of *your* bugs :) 01:25 mtompset Oh... let me check again. 01:26 mtompset bug 11797 01:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11797 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , auth_finder.pl: Odd number of elements in anonymous hash 01:26 mtj the above DC interview is pretty grate ^^ 01:26 mtompset bug 11253 01:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed 01:27 mtj ok 01:27 dbs dcook: no worries, quantifying open source project installs that don't include a phone-home mechanism is known hard territory :) 01:29 eythian https://www.humblebundle.com/ <-- type:rider is the sort of game that would appeal to people here. 01:36 mtj have any keyboard nerds have a go at -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard ? 01:38 mtj i've always been curious, but never got round to it 01:38 eythian Yeah, I used to use it. 01:38 eythian It was fine, though a bit tricky with vim. 01:40 * dcook is rather pleased with his typing abilities with a qwerty keyboard. He would love to know what it would be like to use a...more efficient keyboard (with adequate experience/skill/knowledge, of course) 01:41 mtj i guess any new keyboard style requires lots of time investment, before it starts to pay off 01:42 dcook Or you could just learn Matrix style 01:42 dcook That would be convenient] 01:42 mtj eythian, the type:rider game looks very classy 01:43 eythian The learning phase sucks. 01:43 eythian (of the keyboard, not the game.) 01:43 eythian (the game is pretty straightforward.) 01:44 eythian I think the game would work better on a tablet than a phone though. 03:00 eythian how disappointing, you can't have a mandatory yet hidden field in a framework. 03:02 dcook Hmm, that is disappointing 03:10 dcook You know what isn't disappointing? 03:10 dcook Listening to the discography of a band you love and finding songs that you didn't know existed before 03:12 eythian heh 03:12 eythian that's always good 03:28 dcook dpavlin++ 03:28 dcook For documenting the HTTP API and creating that sample client 03:33 dcook I'm really looking forward to upgrading from 3.8... 03:34 dcook Using the bib and report services, a person could actually get some good stuff done 03:50 * magnuse waves, then wanders off to catch a plane 04:05 mtj dcook, i'm really looking fwd to trying out some of that new stuff too :) 04:05 dcook \o 04:05 dcook Ack 04:05 dcook \o/ 04:23 eythian bug 12023 is an easy one for someone. 04:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Web installer fails under plack 04:41 * cait waves 04:42 mtompset eythian: Why C4? 04:42 mtompset Why not Koha? 04:42 eythian mtompset: I didn't actually think of that. 04:43 eythian But, it is old-style code that references a lot of C4 things, so it might be best in C4. 04:43 mtompset Okay. Just was thinking out loud. :) 04:43 eythian It doesn't matter too much either way. I'll see what others say. 04:43 mtompset I don't have plak installed. 04:43 mtompset set up or whatever. 04:43 eythian Anyway, I'm feeling a little hazy after a flu shot, so I'm going home. 04:44 mtompset Is there a wiki page somewhere? 04:44 eythian for what? 04:44 mtompset plack? 04:44 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. 04:44 eythian there 04:44 mtompset Yes, yes there is. 04:54 cait bag++ 04:55 cait get better eythian 05:08 mtompset Can someone clarify what /srv/koha is supposed to be in the plack instructions? 05:20 cait ? 05:20 mtompset The plack instructions were clearly written by programmers. :P 05:21 mtompset I think I figured out that problem, and have moved onto the next one. :) 05:21 mtompset I was hoping it would be explicit about where the psgi file goes. 05:22 mtompset I think I'll give up and go to bed. 05:23 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha cait 05:23 wajasu mtompset: don't worry about 11909. i am seeing if i can write facets in 11232. 05:24 mtompset okay, wajasu. 06:42 reiveune hello 07:12 alex_a bonjour 07:12 wahanui kai ora, alex_a 07:28 tarsem hello 07:28 wahanui que tal, tarsem 07:28 tarsem i need hepl about zebra rebuld 07:29 tarsem how to rebuild zebra 07:29 tarsem plz tell me 13:04 grharry Hi, is there a way to stage a file of marc records from the server command line ... instead of downloading it to the PC and then upload it again via the staff web interface ???? 13:05 jcamins grharry: yes, look for stage_file (or something like that) in misc. 13:07 grharry jcamins: thanks !!! 13:52 rhcl @wunder 64507 13:52 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 4.7°C (8:50 AM CDT on April 02, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 13:59 oleonard Hi #koha 14:07 mjkerpan hello koha fans 14:08 mjkerpan quick question: is there a way to allow self-checkout/checkin users the choice of using either a card or a username/password or can the system only handle one method at a time 14:09 oleonard both seem to work when I try it mjkerpan 14:09 francharb morning! 14:09 wahanui morning is a state of cat 14:10 francharb whatever it means, good to know 14:10 mjkerpan oleonard: so the users have an option? good 14:12 oleonard Tested in master mjkerpan 14:12 mjkerpan my club library is getting ready to deploy koha for the checkout of video materials and there's been debate about how to access the system 14:13 mjkerpan i can't test at the moment as koha is intranet-only at our clubhouse. 14:16 dustin hello 14:16 dustin Can someone help me with my koha installation on debian? im having one problem. 14:27 oleonard paxed around? 14:27 paxed yes? 14:27 oleonard Please classify Bug 12024 as a bug (rather than an enhancement), assign to yourself, and set to "needs signoff" if it is ready for testing. 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12024 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add to list opens the list adding UI in two windows 14:30 paxed done 14:30 oleonard Thanks! 15:06 reiveune bye 15:41 oleonard jcamins around? 15:42 jcamins -ish. 15:42 oleonard I'm trying to understand what is going on in browser.js with regard to Bug 11817 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11817 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Staff client next/previous browse JavaScript interferes with other JS functions 15:43 oleonard Especially lines 79-82 15:43 oleonard That selector is too broad, but I'm not sure exactly what it was intended to target 15:44 jcamins 79-82 of what? 15:44 oleonard intranet-tmpl/browser.js 15:44 jcamins Ah. 15:44 jcamins The goal is to catch all the detail viws. 15:44 jcamins *views 15:45 jcamins And addbiblio. 15:45 oleonard So normal, MARC, ISBD, etc? 15:45 jcamins And the item detail. 15:45 jcamins Yeah. 16:27 * magnuse waves from oslo 16:29 * druthb waves back. 16:45 oleonard rdio.com 16:53 wajasu looks like when i retreive facet results,for an author, there is an entry with the authority number as well. this can be helpful for building my links when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on 17:13 wajasu okay. got facet results in search. got to parse em. XML::Simple? or regex? or what? any suggestions? 17:25 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra facets strategy needed" (85 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/203 17:29 barton @seen Ashimema 17:30 huginn barton: Ashimema was last seen in #koha 1 day, 3 hours, 37 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <ashimema> ;) 17:32 barton @later tell ashimema I made some minor updates to your zebra wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MRenvoize/zebra#Background 17:32 huginn barton: The operation succeeded. 17:34 jcamins @later tell ashimena pqf.properties has nothing to do with QueryParser. 17:34 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:36 wajasu just read "Supplementary Note: QueryParser uses pqf.properties for indexes" in that zebra wiki page above 18:16 barton how do I run overdue_notices.pl by hand on a package site? 18:22 wajasu as the correct koha user, or such, you must set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB correclty and use /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl, I would expect. 18:22 wajasu but don't quote me on that. 18:23 wajasu :) 18:23 cait-m__ using the koha shell 18:23 wajasu ahh. 18:24 cait-m__ would set the env variables etc i think 18:24 wajasu it does. 18:24 * cait-m__ is on a train, again 18:24 wajasu man koha-shell explains 18:28 dbs @later tell nengard thanks for the article referral 18:28 huginn dbs: The operation succeeded. 18:30 magnuse koha-shell++ 18:31 barton wow. That's definitely powerful... 19:20 * cait waves 19:33 * JesseM waves back 19:36 cait hi JesseM :) 19:36 JesseM hi cait 19:38 magnuse hiya cait and JesseM 19:39 JesseM hiya magnuse hows it going? 19:40 magnuse trying to put the finishing touches on my ebook thingy 19:40 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:40 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (9:35 PM CEST on April 02, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 19:40 magnuse there is always one last little thing... 19:40 magnuse well, finishing as in "having a minimum viable product" 19:41 JesseM that is very true. always one last thing 19:42 mjkerpan Hello, all. 19:42 magnuse JesseM: and yerself? 19:42 mjkerpan Is it possible to allow for both barcode-based and username-based self checkout at the same time? 19:43 mjkerpan This morning someone said it was, but I can't find any option that would allow it. 19:43 JesseM All is well. The family is out of the house and it is sooo quite here. :D 19:44 mjkerpan hmm. 19:44 mjkerpan i'm in a building with practically no insulatioon, so the traffic noise makes it loud. 19:45 JesseM oh not good mjkerpan 19:45 magnuse JesseM: lovely :-) 19:45 * magnuse is in a nice and quiet hotelroom 19:48 mjkerpan it's just a clubhouse 19:48 mjkerpan the 15000 volume library keeps it warmer than it would be at least 19:49 cait hm 19:49 cait web based self chckout? 19:49 cait or sip2 based self checkout? 19:50 cait koha's opac allows for username + password and cardnumber + password by default,so there is no switch for it. sip2 only works with cardnumber afaik 19:52 * cait is on a train... 19:52 cait did my answer to the login question come through? 19:56 jcamins Yes. 19:58 cait ok 20:00 wajasu if i get two facet results from zebra for lets say <term coccur="4" occur="4">Tozer, A. W.</term><term coccur="4" occur="4">Tozer, A. W. (Aiden Wilson), 1897-1963. 11849</term> 20:00 wajasu should i consolidate them? 20:01 wajasu that 11849 is the authority number. should i use that when building links if UseAuthorityForTracings is on? 20:02 mjkerpan sorry i was away 20:02 mjkerpan web-based 20:03 mjkerpan are you still there 20:03 mjkerpan sorry 20:05 jcamins mjkerpan: why don't you tell us what the problem actually is, so that someone can help you with it, if they know how to solve it. 20:06 jcamins (not me, I'm leaving now, but someone might know the answer to whatever problem has you asking about this again) 20:06 * wajasu thinks he needs the dewey decimal number relating to heating/thermostat operation 20:09 mjkerpan Basically, my organization is getting ready to start using Koha for item checkin/checkout and some members want to use a username/password and others want to use cards with barcodes 20:10 mjkerpan I want to know if both can be kept happy. 20:10 mjkerpan Currently, the options for we-based checkout allow me to present either a page that asks for a barcode number OR a page that asks for login/password 20:11 mjkerpan I want to know if I can (easily) present a page that has both 20:12 rangi morning 20:13 rangi you'd have to do some dev, to get it to do that 20:13 mjkerpan ah 20:13 rangi not a lot, but you would have to change the template page, that presents that 20:14 mjkerpan that's the answer i'll give to the club then: if there's a perl wizrd who wants to make it so then it can happen, otherwise, you have to choose. 20:14 rangi template toolkit mostly 20:14 rangi not actual perl but yep 20:22 wajasu if i code support for zebra facets, should i leave it so the current implementaiton is used as a fallback when indexes are not configured? 20:32 cait1 wajasu: wouldn't we need the old config for grs1 using libraries anyway? 20:36 wajasu i am going to see if i can get grs1 working as well, but not sure. we'll see. i've just got the response coming back now for DOM and am parsing for the UI. 20:38 * wajasu just working on "Authors" now 20:40 ashimema @later tell barton Cheers for the updates.. feel free to move my scribblings into a more useful part of the wiki if their useful.. 20:40 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 20:40 * cait1 waves at ashimema 20:40 ashimema jcamins.. your later didn't work.. 20:41 ashimema hmm. that note was added at smoeone in here's request.. 20:41 ashimema mha.. random scribblings.. 20:41 ashimema High cait1 20:41 ashimema hi.. 20:41 jcamins ashimema: Fortunately you got it anyway. ;) 20:44 barton ashimema -- I may move that stuff into the wiki proper at some point. I'm still trying to get some of that stuff straight in my head. 20:45 barton zebra indexing is one of those things that I want to understand *before* I go messing with it :-) 20:55 ashimema certainly.. 20:56 ashimema indeed jcamins.. 20:56 wahanui indeed jcamins is not. 20:56 ashimema so.. what does QueryParser use then?... I thought it relied uopn a different indexing style/query language.. 20:57 ashimema hmm. bedtime me thinks. 20:57 ashimema nighty night peeps 20:57 * cait1 is still on a train... 20:58 cait1 night ashimema_afk 20:58 ashimema_afk poor cait... it's been quiet here without you 20:58 cait1 aaw :) 20:58 cait1 will be back tomorrow :) 20:58 cait1 tired... but here 20:58 cait1 :) 20:58 cait1 and now i am running out of battery... bbl :) 20:58 jcamins @later tell ashimena QueryParser uses the QueryParser configuration file. It is orthogonal to Zebra. 20:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 21:15 magnuse kia ora Irma 21:17 eythian hi 21:27 magnuse hiya eythian 21:27 magnuse upgrade done, time to catch some sleep! 21:27 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 21:37 rhcl HI mtompset 21:39 mtompset Greetings, rhcl. :) 22:51 mtompset Is anyone around who is familiar with setting up plack? 22:53 eythian mtompset: start with this perhaps: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git 22:54 mtompset instead of the default kohaclone? 23:01 eythian it's not part of koha, it's tools to do things with it. 23:01 eythian it's a separate checkout. 23:14 mtompset a separate branch or a separate clone location? 23:16 mtompset BTW, who controls the titles on the dashboard? It still says March, even though it did clear the March totals and has started counting April. 23:16 dcook mtompset: If you looked at the source, you would see that it is a separate git repo all together 23:17 dcook Hence a separate clone location 23:25 dcook Random quote from the dashboard: 'oleonard: bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.' 23:25 dcook Love it 23:28 * mtompset sighs, "Programmer documentation. That is, the bar is too high to participate without learning time."