Time Nick Message 01:54 eythian new packages uploading 01:55 eythian *uploaded 01:56 dcook \o/ 03:34 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:01 mtompset Greetings, cait. 04:01 mtompset I was wondering if you might be able to explain the difference between translate update and translate install. 04:02 eythian that's a terrible question to ask someone who presumably woke up 15 minutes ago. 04:02 dcook ^ 04:02 rangi -i, --install Install the specified lang_code language translation. 04:03 rangi install creates .tt files and .js etc from the .po files and the english files 04:03 cait hm make it 10 minutes ago 04:03 cait and overslept 2 alarm clocks by half an hour 04:03 eythian oops 04:03 mtompset cait: Sorry. :( 04:03 rangi update updates the po files from the english templates 04:03 cait rangi++ 04:04 rangi you update, translate, install 04:04 mtompset rangi: So, if I install and install and install... no harm done? 04:04 rangi nope 04:04 mtompset but it is effectively overkill the second and following times? 04:04 rangi not overkill 04:04 rangi just pointless 04:05 rangi unless you have changed the .po file in between 04:05 rangi or changed the english templates 04:05 rangi (by upgrading your install for example) 04:06 mtompset so if I change the english templates (apply a patch), then an update won't work? 04:06 rangi what? 04:06 rangi an update will update the .po file(s) yes 04:06 rangi it wont touch your installed language templates 04:09 mtompset Hmm... let me try this again... I smacked it hard with install, because update wasn't working for me. 04:09 rangi update only updates the .po files 04:09 rangi it does not change any installed language you have 04:09 rangi ie update does not ever never ever ever ever ever update or create .tt files 04:09 rangi only install does that 04:10 rangi so if you change the english template 04:10 rangi and run update, you now have a po file, with the new string in it 04:10 rangi translate it, using poedit, or if its been updated on translate.koha-community.org 04:10 rangi translate it there 04:11 rangi now you have a po file with your new string(s) and translations 04:11 rangi install that to update you .tt and .js files 04:15 mtompset does update touch pref files? 04:16 mtompset bug 10818 04:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10818 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Signed Off , System preference OAI-PMH:ConfFile isn't translatable 04:16 cait yes, it also translates the pref files 04:16 cait all the files 04:16 mtompset I signed it off, because if I do perl translate install, I see the behaviour being described. 04:16 rangi update never touches .pref files 04:16 rangi only .po files 04:16 cait ah sorry 04:16 cait shoudl have readback 04:16 cait rangi is right ofcourse 04:16 rangi install makes the .pref files 04:17 mtompset okay... then I noted the mistake in the test plan. ;) 04:21 rangi right time to head home 04:44 cait ... and time to catch my bus and then hopefully the train as well 04:44 cait bye all, later 05:33 mtompset Sleep calls. 05:33 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:40 reiveune hello 06:40 wahanui what's up, reiveune 06:47 marcelr hi #koha 06:58 alex_a bonjour 06:58 wahanui niihau, alex_a 07:06 * magnuse waves 07:22 gaetan_B hello 07:22 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 07:29 ashimema anyone here understand the auth code especially well? 07:30 ashimema i.e. What the order of events is when logging in vie a page other than opac-auth.tt 07:46 cait-m__ hi koha 07:56 magnuse kia ora cait-m__ 07:56 magnuse traveling? 07:56 wahanui traveling is probably good 08:02 cait-m__ yeah 08:03 cait-m__ waiting for my next train now 08:41 * cait waves 08:43 marcelr hi cait 08:47 cait @wunder Bochum 08:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bochum, Germany is 15.7°C (10:46 AM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 08:49 magnuse nice 08:49 magnuse @wunder boo 08:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 08:50 cait yeah it's pretty nice out there 08:51 cait only problem is the itchy eyes from the hay fever 09:00 magnuse yeah, that sux 09:01 magnuse no hay in sight here... 09:04 magnuse no hay in sight here... 09:15 * cait wishes the train wouldn't shake as much 09:15 * cait watches cait1 leave and also wishes for more stable internet 09:16 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 09:16 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.1°C (10:16 AM BST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:16 magnuse nice 09:16 ashimema lovely :) 09:17 magnuse friday was really nice here 09:17 ashimema it was horrid here.. but we had an excellent weekend to make up for it. 09:18 cait hi ashimema :) 09:18 ashimema hi cait.. 09:19 ashimema I've found a relatively annoying bug in the shib implementation cait.. 09:19 ashimema it's a rather 'head scratching' one too.. no obviose fix. 09:19 cait oh sorry to hear that 09:19 cait i found a bug in external search also 09:19 ashimema auth in koha is 'weird' 09:19 cait tested with Jesse yesterday, it basicallyworks on my laptop now 09:20 cait i guess it's grown over a longer period of tme... 09:20 ashimema With shib, you can have a semi-anonymous session.. in that you are logged in to shibboleth, but not matched to a koha user and so not actualyl logged in. 09:20 cait maybe document and ask the others for ideas? 09:20 cait seems alot of people have been working with shib in one way or the other 09:20 ashimema I'm reading through the cas code.. 09:21 ashimema it deals with this exact kinda thing.. I think 09:21 ashimema it's certainly not a deal breaker at least.. 09:21 ashimema you tested shib with jesse? 09:21 ashimema I thought you had somthing else planned? 09:21 cait ah not shib 09:21 ashimema ah.. sorry.. missed a line above. 09:21 ashimema external search. 09:21 cait we tested his pazpar2/external search targets 09:22 ashimema i'm super excited to see that go in :) 09:22 cait but i will be able to test any follow ups now i think, which will make things easier 09:22 cait yeah... i was going to ask you if you can check it for packages... 09:22 ashimema sure thing.. 09:22 cait he wanted to do a follow up tomorrow 09:22 ashimema i'll wait for his followup then.. 09:23 ashimema what days does he work agian.. Tue and ? 09:23 cait Thursday i think 09:23 ashimema I've got a few questions of my own to collar him about. 09:23 cait I'd love to see that go in as well 09:23 ashimema likewise. 09:25 magnuse so much cool stuff going on! :-) 09:28 ashimema my head hurts.. 09:29 ashimema am I reading this right.. if cas is enabled do 'all' urls paths get appended with a 'cas=' query to show wether a valid cas session is prrpesent or not.. 09:29 ashimema It seems a bit of a hacky way to access this data.. 09:29 ashimema but I could well be reading it wrong. 09:29 ashimema and.. where woudl be a better location for such data. 09:31 cait1 gr 09:31 ashimema poor cait 09:32 ashimema oh.. hang on.. 09:32 * magnuse hangs on 09:33 ashimema is there a standard userid for a anonymous session.. 09:33 ashimema I want to be able to test, on every page, wether I have both a 'shibboleth session' And an 'anonymous session'. 09:34 cait1 hm we do search history for anonymous 09:34 cait1 and sessions 09:34 wahanui sessions are another biggie 09:39 ashimema indeed we do. 09:40 ashimema think i've reverted to using the whole irc channel as a big rubber duck.. apologies 09:41 magnuse fine by me :-) 09:43 nlegrand howdy #koha 09:54 cait ashimema: no problem with being a rubberduck 10:11 cait @wunder Bochum 10:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bochum, Germany is 19.2°C (12:11 PM CEST on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 10:12 cait so quiet, i thought i was gone again 10:15 magnuse 19! 10:17 cait ? 10:19 magnuse 19.2°C 10:19 cait ah 19 10:19 cait yes 10:19 cait it's too warm already :) 10:19 magnuse send some degrees up here? 12:20 oleonard Hi #koha 12:21 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:30 magnuse did galen announce dates for feature freeze etc yet? 12:50 magnuse wb cait 12:50 magnuse still having fun on a train? 12:50 cait nah having fun in a hotel room now 12:50 cait and sneeziing 12:51 magnuse well, that is progress at least ;-) 12:53 magnuse druthb! 12:53 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 12:53 druthb magnuse! 12:53 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant. 13:04 cait because he is wahanui :) 13:04 cait hi druthb :) 13:08 cait ok, i am goin gout for a little adventure and more sneezing 13:08 cait bbl 13:13 rhcl @wunder 64507 13:13 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 16.3°C (8:10 AM CDT on March 31, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect from 10 am this morning to 7 PM CDT this evening... 13:13 rhcl time to go mushroom hunting 13:19 magnuse spring mushrooms? 13:23 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch? 13:48 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch? 14:13 rhcl magnuse: Yes. http://morelsandmore.com/Morchella%20esculenta%2023.jpg Too early here yet, probably in about 3 weeks. 14:21 magnuse rhcl: cool, we get something similar here, in ~2 months :-) 14:25 * francharb waves 14:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #401 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:27 gmcharlt @quote random 14:27 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011) 14:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #1675 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7378d488414d1859c75f0d3b40e5ce99cde67cb7> / Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94d80555489a2f07163bdb2e1b1a8104de9c410c> 14:49 barton Morning #koha! 14:50 barton Is there an open bug concerning search on '&'? I've got a partner who's getting an error on 14:50 marjorie anyone for my question? in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch? 14:51 barton http://catalog.foundationcenter.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=se,phr:%22Nonprofit%20Management%20&%20Leadership%22 14:51 barton I've seen bugs concerning perentheses and the use of 'and', but I think this is different. 15:07 jcamins barton: the problem looks to be URLencoding, or lack thereof. 15:09 barton jcamins -- that makse sense. The link in question was on the search results page, so it's definitely a bug. 15:09 barton morning, cait. 15:11 cait morning barton 15:18 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #401: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/401/ 15:18 jenkins_koha Owen Leonard: Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches 15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , add table sorters to label batches 15:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #402 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:28 gaetan_B bye ! 15:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:07 cait hm can i get a sign off on bug 11578? 16:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improvement of the funds list view 16:16 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #402: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/402/ 16:16 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12000 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , staff users can set hold suspension dates to occur in the past 16:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #469 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #469: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/469/ 16:31 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add note about bib export needing items 16:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #40 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #40: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.14.x/40/ 16:45 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add note about bib export needing items 16:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1675: SUCCESS in 2 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1675/ 16:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11946 - add table sorters to label batches 16:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 12000: ensure that hold resumption dates can be set only to future dates 16:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , add table sorters to label batches 16:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12000 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , staff users can set hold suspension dates to occur in the past 16:57 reiveune bye 17:18 marjorie Hi, in 3.12, on acquisition home, we can see all funds of all branches. Is this an enhancement or i missed a syspref to see just funds of my branch? 17:47 Sean Hi all, we have 11 libraries and I've generated a script that will email each library their own hold pickup notices each morning (rather than having them go to a web directory to view them). Would anyone else find that remotely useful 17:47 Sean If so I'll post it to wiki, if not I'll keep our organization wierdness to ourselves :P 17:53 cait Sean: it's not weird, although i think we couldn#t use it - email is not very safe from a data privacy perspective 17:53 cait which means we are weird :) 18:02 Sean cait this is true :) 18:05 mtompset Greetings again, #koha. 18:27 mtompset Greetings, khall. :) 18:28 mtompset Actually, email is quite safe if your organization hosts its own mail server and you are emailing internally. ;) 18:30 rangi or you are using tls 18:31 rangi id post it to the wiki, libraries do a lot less secure stuff all the time 18:31 rangi the best way to do it, would be to have each library have a gpg key, and you encrypt the mail 18:31 rangi then only the intended recipient could read it 18:32 rangi drojf has a patch for adding this to koha already 18:37 mtompset rangi: if you have a function/method that returns different results based on scalar or non-scalar contexts, is there a way to tell it is in a scalar context? 18:37 mtompset tell it that it is in... 18:40 rangi eh? 18:40 mtompset how to force a function/method to return a scalar in a nice way. 18:41 mtompset I could always do a string operation, but that seems so hokey. 18:42 rangi return(scalar(something)) 18:43 rangi not sure why you would ever need to do that tho 18:46 * cait waves 18:48 mtompset rangi: I'm thinking if there is a better way to solve bug 11797. 18:49 mtompset Hi, cait. 18:59 mtompset mtj: You here? 19:02 jcamins ::snrrkk:: 19:02 jcamins rangi++ 19:06 rangi http://perltricks.com/article/81/2014/3/31/Perl-web-application-security-HTTP-headers 19:09 rangi also this is cool 19:09 * druthb sees rangi's post on his blog, then remembers where he is in proximity to the International Date Line. 19:10 cait2 my internet is ... dying 19:10 cait2 seems everyone got into th ehotel now 19:10 Sean can Koha search OPAC or staff client by OCLC# (useful for ILL's)? 19:11 cait2 it dependson where your oclc# is stored 19:12 Sean it appears to be in control # field 19:12 cait2 then yes 19:12 cait2 keyword search or Control-number=... 19:13 bag sean 001? or 035? 19:13 cait2 heya bag :) 19:13 Sean yeah thought that would work but search fails. Checking the MARC now (we really need to overhaul ILL procedures :) 19:13 bag heya cait2 19:15 cait2 hm my inernet is broken... i am still here... but i can't open any website? 19:15 rangi probably your dns 19:16 Sean 001 field, and in looking I think staff are conflating record data, and searching on the wrong strings.... 19:16 cait2 hm brb trying sth 19:20 talljoy druthb me too! 19:20 talljoy and i'm time zone challenged. took me a minute. 19:20 cait back 19:21 talljoy but rangi, shouldn't the quote have been "Yeah, naw" instead of just 'naw'? :-D 19:22 rangi :) 19:29 mtompset rangi++ # nice April fools post. :) 19:29 cait ssssh 19:30 cait :) 19:31 cait @later tell oleonard - could we add table sorting on the circlation conditions table? 19:31 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 19:31 * cait waves at gmcharlt 19:32 gmcharlt @quote random 19:32 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #239: "slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:54 AM, April 03, 2013) 19:33 cait @quote random 19:33 huginn cait: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010) 19:33 * cait hopes that is the answer to her later 19:34 cait hmm 19:34 cait ok bug 11744 19:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11744 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , cancel receipt doesn't work for one item 19:35 cait when adding items on receive... and you want to cancel it, the items are currnently not deleted automatically 19:35 cait and i failed the fix for deleting them, because they would have left the holds uncancelled and invisible (for records with no more items) 19:36 cait so we changed it and now you can't undo the receive if there is a hold at all... but it still doesn't seem quite right? 19:36 cait wonder if we made it worse 19:41 cait ok 19:41 * cait will stop talking about ac 19:41 cait q 19:41 cait immediately :) 19:41 * cait puts the cookie in the middle of #koha 19:42 cait hi trea 19:45 druthb @quote random 19:45 huginn druthb: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012) 19:46 jcamins I can't remember the context, but it sounds hysterical. 19:46 jcamins lol 19:46 jcamins Yep. 740. 19:50 trea o/ 19:50 trea hi cait 19:54 * cait just found the perfect bug for her march branch 100 19:58 cait hm 19:59 cait is this something to worry about? 19:59 cait bumblebee:~/kohaclone (master) $ git pull 19:59 cait warning: expected SRV RR, found RR type 1 20:00 rangi never seen it before 20:01 rangi did the pull work? 20:02 cait yep it die 20:02 cait yep it did 20:02 cait maybe we don#t have to worry, that's what someone wrote on google: 20:03 cait "At a hotel with a very broken Wi-Fi setup, DNS replies are being rewritten in a weird way" 20:03 cait after the problems earlier... and noone else seeing it... 20:03 rangi most likely that 20:03 rangi since your internet is being weird 20:03 cait yeah 20:13 rhcl cait: can't you just manually enter a good known DNS resolver in your network settings? 20:15 cait it work right now - not going to touch it :) 20:15 rhcl aw, be brave! 20:16 cait nope - too late for htat :) going to sleep soon and I'd rather have internet until I do 20:17 rhcl @seen bag 20:17 huginn rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <bag> heya cait 20:18 bag hi 20:25 cait dbs: bug 11786 20:25 wahanui bug 11786 is ready for signoff is it not? 20:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dan, Passed QA , Improve RDFa schema.org mappings in prog and bootstrap 20:29 dbs cait++ rangi++ 20:32 cait :) 21:05 cait night all:) 21:26 eythian hi 21:28 rhcl HI eythian 21:40 eythian http://listverse.com/2014/03/30/10-of-the-most-bizarre-books-ever-written/ 22:07 wizzyrea if ashs wanted to use bootstrap, the recommendation system wouldn't work eh? 22:07 wizzyrea or wouldn't display 22:08 eythian yeah 23:14 eythian I totally never knew about this: 23:14 eythian if ($ENV{KOHA_BACKTRACES}) { 23:14 eythian $main::SIG{__DIE__} = \&CGI::Carp::confess; 23:14 eythian } 23:14 eythian that'll be handy 23:32 mtompset Hmmm... so a KOHA_BACKTRACES environment variable will confess the die into the log files when die is called? 23:35 eythian I assume that it's die and all other exceptions, but I'm not 100% sure. 23:48 mtompset Greetings, papa. 23:51 papa hi there! 23:51 papa mtompset: those tests I've added, that's what you had in mind? 23:52 mtompset I noticed you putting tests, I haven't had a chance to go look at them. This is for bug 11213, right? 23:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11213 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , GetItemsInfo() called twice 23:52 papa mtompset: yes. no pressure 23:53 papa ah, need tochange status... 23:57 mtj heya mtompset, papa 23:58 papa g'day mate 23:58 mtompset Greetings, mtj. 23:58 mtompset I think I touched a bug report or two of yours today. :) 23:58 mtj aah ok, what numbers? 23:59 * mtj checks emails...