Time  Nick         Message
23:27 eythian      rats, I need to make a both plackified and gitified installation.
23:19 cait         :)
23:17 eythian      that's always good.
23:16 * dcook      enjoys his Scottish post-rock. Just when he thinks he's heard enough, he finds another gem from another album.
23:13 * eythian    listens to some nice German electronic music for the afternoon.
23:10 eythian      it's more a thing that shouldn't really be possible, but is.
23:10 * dcook      goes back to the shadows
23:10 dcook        Alas, I think today is a DSpace day...
23:10 eythian      yeah
23:10 dcook        Yeah, we have heaps of local use sysprefs. Just throwing it out there though :)
23:09 cait         we still have local use sysprefs
23:09 dcook        It should be used for presentation as well, no?
23:09 eythian      I think mostly it's meaningless though.
23:09 eythian      The type is used for some things, like how to convert it when saving, and things like that.
23:08 dcook        And that the database was actually ignored except for local use prefs
23:08 * dcook      thought the type and description of sysprefs came from the .pref files
23:07 eythian      otherwise it's copy-paste code.
23:07 eythian      I think I'll move it to C4::Context->set_preference
23:03 eythian      Right now it's the latter, but that doesn't seem the best to me.
23:03 * eythian    wonders if C4::Context should write to the log when a syspref is updated, or if whatever calls it should.
22:58 cait         ew
22:54 * eythian    fixes this.
22:54 * eythian    notes that you can change the type and description of a syspref from the staff client if you construct a custom request.
21:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #468: SUCCESS in 2 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/468/
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21:50 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update delete images with permission
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21:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: FIXED)
21:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1673 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1671 4 hr 50 min ago)
21:47 wajasu       it seems like we should   a) do a release, b) apply those patches, and c) run in master for some time before a release.  especially the 10Kb patch
21:45 eythian      seems hopeful :)
21:45 eythian      > This bug report will try to fix all UTF-8 problems once and forever!
21:44 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update delete images with permission
21:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #467: SUCCESS in 6 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/467/
21:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #467 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
21:44 wajasu       bug 11944 seems like a beast to test.
21:43 gmcharlt     rangi: thanks
21:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11738 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11878 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
21:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
21:43 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
21:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1672: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1672/
21:43 rangi        gmcharlt: signed off now
21:38 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
21:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
21:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11738 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11878 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template
21:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage
21:32 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #399: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/399/
21:18 wajasu       woo bash completion
21:18 wajasu       :)
21:17 eythian      wajasu: we already have a prompt we can use for that kind of thing. Often it's bash.
21:15 eythian      hi
21:10 jatara       I am fascinated by the endless cold weather of the DMV area ... it's like the weather is holding a serious grudge.
21:08 rhcl         "High rip current risk" - don't see that much
21:08 jatara       It's raining in TX, so that's part of it.
21:07 huginn       jatara: The current temperature in Towson Weather, Towson, Maryland is 1.5°C (5:07 PM EDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
21:07 jatara       @wunder 21212
21:07 huginn       wajasu: The current temperature in Lake Ridge, Fort Lauderdale, Florida is 19.6°C (5:06 PM EDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady).  High rip current risk in effect through Thursday evening... 
21:07 wajasu       @wunder 33308
21:07 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
21:07 rangi        @wunder nzwn
21:07 huginn       gmcharlt: The current temperature in Magnolia - MaxHome, Seattle, Washington is 10.3°C (2:07 PM PDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000 hPa (Falling).
21:07 gmcharlt     @wunder 98199
21:06 rhcl         What, we're warmer than TX? What's going on down there?
21:06 huginn       jatara: The current temperature in Independence/Hedgcoxe, Plano, Texas is 11.6°C (4:06 PM CDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:06 jatara       @wunder 75025
21:05 huginn       rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 14.2°C (4:00 PM CDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT this evening... 
21:05 rhcl         @wunder 64507
21:03 wajasu       but more of a prompt like yaz-client.
21:03 cait         brr
21:03 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
21:03 cait         @wunder Konstanz
21:03 wajasu       that seems to be in the spirit of what i was wanting :)
21:02 cait         ah my scrolling is broken again
21:02 cait         wajasu: there is a koha shell when you use packages...
21:02 wajasu       haven't used it yet.
21:01 wajasu       now i see it. learning.
21:01 gmcharlt     I may be mistaken in that perception, of course
21:01 gmcharlt     to be clear, I'm not trying to be too combative, but you seem to be proposing something that already exists
21:01 rangi        yeah, thats what koha-shell does
21:00 gmcharlt     wajasu: as opposed to, say, koha-shell?
21:00 gmcharlt     thanks
21:00 rangi        sweet, ill amend the commit message when signing off
20:59 gmcharlt     both patches are for 11906
20:59 wajasu       just having one central command script that would setup Koha::Context,  db, etc and allow new command to be added/supported/tested.
20:59 gmcharlt     gah
20:58 rangi        or should i renumber that when signing off?
20:58 rangi        hmm one of the patches is for 12001 .. is that intentional?
20:57 gmcharlt     wajasu: what would that gain us over koha-rebuild-zebra and other such scripts?
20:57 rangi        ah right
20:57 wajasu       i think we should create some sort of koha command shell.  ie.   kohash    koha> rebuild index biblio  etc.    and call Koha modules.
20:55 gmcharlt     a couple patches I'd like you to lok at
20:55 rangi        gmcharlt: hmmm?
20:50 wajasu       probably look at  C4/Languages getTranslatedLanguges  for how it read/pushed to template.
20:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11906 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable)
20:50 gmcharlt     rangi: bug 11906
20:49 magnuse      wajasu: yup, looks like it
20:47 wajasu       so are TT templates cached?  in template cache dir?
20:47 * magnuse    needs some sleep
20:47 magnuse      hylte public library in sweden is now all set to test koha under plack in production for one day - tomorrow will be interesting :-)
20:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12002 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha does not pick up installed languages when running under Plack
20:45 magnuse      bug 12002 - if anyone can set it to WORKSFORME that would be nice :-)
20:42 magnuse      i did kill off the plack processes and start them again, but that did not change anything either
20:41 cait         he filed a bug
20:41 cait         jcamins: i think he intnds on fixing it
20:40 jcamins      cait: if you see eythian talking about syspref caching, you might point out that there's already a way to disable it.
20:40 jcamins      Restarting Plack would've fixed it.
20:38 magnuse      restarted mysql and memcached, no change
20:37 gmcharlt     memcached would be a better bet
20:37 wajasu       you could restart mysql.
20:37 cait         jcamins: sysprefs + plack problems?
20:37 cait         hm still suspecting caching soomehow
20:36 magnuse      but only en is shown for those two prefs in the web ui
20:35 magnuse      and opaclanguages : sv-SE,en,fr-FR,de-DE,es-ES,ar-Arab
20:35 magnuse      the database has language : sv-SE,en
20:34 cait         magnuse: look for language?
20:33 cait         magnuse: the language cods should be in the prefs
20:33 wajasu       koha_translate --list   shows installed po files.
20:32 wajasu       i did a less /usr/sbin/koha-translate and the  bourne shell script doesn't really talk perl.  just runs commands to generate translation in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator
20:28 magnuse      should it be in the database? where?
20:28 cait         magnuse: is it in the database?
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20:27 magnuse      i restarted koha/plack and that did not change anything
20:27 magnuse      if i run "sudo koha-translate -i nb-NO" it says nb-NO is already installed, but on the I18N syspref tab only en is listed
20:26 cait         hm could it be the syspref caching that eythan was investigating?
20:26 cait         oh?
20:25 magnuse      gah, koha uncer plack does not pick up the installed languages?
20:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
20:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
20:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set
20:21 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method
20:21 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #398: SUCCESS in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/398/
20:16 wajasu       the trick will be coding pluggable inteface/api so later elastic search folks can leverage the desired facets and map accordingly.
20:14 wajasu       thanks to dcook, tcohen, mtompset, jcamin, etc I finally got  the knowledge needed.
20:12 magnuse      wajasu++
20:09 wajasu       just for reference ^^^
20:09 pastebot     "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "example yaz-client facet search" (138 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/188
20:07 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b0dd7eedebc91fa7178d0d4e0768ebc64b41fd2>
20:02 mjkerpan     anyway go to go. someone else needs the machine
20:02 mjkerpan     i need minions.\
20:02 gmcharlt     mjkerpan: or you need to get busy on making some clones
20:02 magnuse      mjkerpan: sounds like you have something to do the next 7 years, then ;-)
20:01 mjkerpan     hnow to continue the eternal cataloging project. in 6 months, i've done about 1000 out of our 15000 items
20:01 magnuse      whoever decided on the norwegian keyboard layout was *not* a perl programmer, i can tell you that
20:00 mjkerpan     our organziation's treasurer will be happy as he can now have his gaming box back niow that we have a rweal server
19:59 mjkerpan     that worked. thanks.
19:56 barton       jcamins, nope. 7 bit ascii for me.
19:56 jcamins      except an APL programmer, but none of your punctuation requires a separate keyboard.
19:56 jcamins      Ah...
19:56 jcamins      barton: no one but a Perl programmer would use that much punctuation.
19:55 barton       s/aks/ask/
19:55 barton       jcamins. Yes, why do you aks?
19:55 jcamins      mjkerpan: that's why I suggest using koha-upgrade-schema.
19:55 mjkerpan     now i have to find them
19:55 barton       jcamins -- them is *sigils* dammit!
19:54 jcamins      mjkerpan: if you didn't run koha-upgrade-schema, you have to use the system user to run the update.
19:54 mjkerpan     hmm. now it sees it but it doesn't know my old password
19:53 jcamins      barton: wait, let me guess... you're a Perl programmer?
19:53 * barton     ? add:s ex-tra ?? punctuation. #$for *fun.
19:52 gmcharlt     http://languagehat.com/pace/
19:52 * gmcharlt   was referring to the expression borrowed from Latin, actually
19:52 barton       that, and I threw in an extra ':' as a typo, just for good measure :-)
19:51 cait         it makes a little more sense now
19:51 cait         oh
19:51 barton       cait: gmcharlt hides face in shame for misusing "pace" -- This may be a regional thing -- there's a hot sauce called 'pace' around here.
19:49 * cait       is confused :)
19:49 * barton     envisions gmcharlt abusing a bottle of: pace picante salsa
19:48 magnuse      hm, is there any reason why there would be more encoding issues under plack than with the "normal" setup?
19:45 gmcharlt     I timed it especially for you ;)
19:45 cait         that was an interesting comment to come online to :)
19:45 cait         hi gmcharlt
19:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #1672 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:43 gmcharlt     hi cait
19:43 cait         hi all
19:43 cait         ?
19:42 mjkerpan     ok
19:42 jcamins      Also, you might want to run koha-upgrade-schema, since you've restored into a newer version of Koha.
19:42 * gmcharlt   hides face in shame for misusing "pace"
19:42 gmcharlt     gah
19:41 gmcharlt     another thing to check is that the Apache config is (pace jcamins listening on port 8080) and if relevant to your setup, that ServerName and/or ServerAlias match the name you're using
19:41 jcamins      mjkerpan: at a guess, you need to tell Apache to listen on port 8080.
19:40 gmcharlt     mjkerpan: one thing to check is that koha-conf.xml is pointing to the new database
19:40 mjkerpan     what gives
19:40 mjkerpan     now the opac comes up on port 80 as down for maintenance and the admin interface on 8080 is invisible to the lan
19:39 gmcharlt     barton++
19:39 barton       Oh, I'll need at least a +4 for these folks. They have an enchanted helmet of density with a THAC0 of 19.
19:39 mjkerpan     hey there. i just moved my koha databases to a new database using dump/restore
19:38 * gmcharlt   hands barton a Wand of Standardization +1
19:37 * barton     feels very jinxed.
19:37 bag          :P  jinx
19:37 bag          yes barton they did do some weird local customizations
19:37 barton       The library in question had a *lot* of local customization.
19:36 bag          ah that's probably it gmcharlt
19:36 barton       gmcharlt -- that wouldn't surprise me.
19:36 gmcharlt     at first glance, there's no sign that it was in Koha proper
19:36 gmcharlt     barton: I suspect that reserves.printed was also a local customization
19:36 edveal       Does anyone in hear use B&T content cafe for cover art?
19:36 magnuse      :-)
19:35 wahanui      hey, bag
19:35 bag          magnuse: HI
19:35 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11738: Use new DataTables include in batch patron modification template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac82cbb3dc79b00f2a73bfce1b8a57c2f8e9e202> / Bug 11878 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .toggle() method usage <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06026a7e297c8537c7a4a7cb9c7720b482f26eba>
19:35 magnuse      bag: HI
19:35 barton       bag: nod -- I was sort of thinking about the message queue.
19:34 bag          or maybe look in the message_queue
19:34 bag          hmm barton perhaps you could find the bug in bugzilla and then see what that was replaced with?
19:31 barton       I have a library that recently upgraded from 3.04 (!!) to 3.12.x. They have a custom script called 'print_call_slips.pl' that queries against 'resrves.printed'. That field has been removed -- can anyone tell me if there is some other way of determining whether information about a hold has been printed or otherwise sent to the library?
19:25 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11806 - Use validation plugin when creating new OAI set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e634a5ad82e9fa0aef96ae5a23bb5b389d1704e7> / Bug 11877 - Eliminate use of deprecated jQuery .live() method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=330e903e798c22d041a0378ce4a806c3cdebd2bd>
19:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #398 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:19 magnuse      success! \o/
19:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
19:14 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for individual hold
19:14 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
19:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1671: SUCCESS in 2 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1671/
19:03 rhcl         <if google got that right>
19:02 rhcl         Vive le peuple français!
19:02 rhcl         I have just discovered an unopened bottle of Lemon Perrier in the staff refrigerator, which I shall now commence drinking.
18:45 * wajasu     indexing my production database with new facet :0 support
18:30 rangi        morning
18:18 talljoy      thanks magnuse
18:18 magnuse      welcome back talljoy
18:17 talljoy      oops...back
18:16 talljoy      ack
18:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11694 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
18:13 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for individual hold
18:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC
18:13 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #397: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/397/
18:05 huginn       mtompset: oleonard was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <oleonard> Yes
18:05 mtompset     @seen oleonard
17:39 gaetan_B     bye
17:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #397 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:13 gmcharlt     kivilahtio++
17:12 kivilahtio   take care and see u tomorrow!
17:12 kivilahtio   IT is so cool!
17:12 kivilahtio   I made nginx + SSL + starman + Plack happen!
17:11 kivilahtio   thanks everyone!
17:00 mtompset     Didn't oleonard recently do a patch related to renamed branch to library in a huge bunch of template files?
16:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #1671 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:56 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11694: [QA Followup] strip out time portion when setting suspension date for... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb62a47bbf6fde22ac3bc4e33481c403b8c2c193> / Bug 11694: Improve handling of individual hold suspension in Bootstrap OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17cf2657ef7fe0e293cdf4956b75f8e39c0aeeed>
16:50 huginn       gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
16:50 gmcharlt     @later tell oleonard I have been completely unable to reproduce the issue you originally reported in bug 11702 - I'd appreciate confirmation that this is an issue for you (without applying the QA follow-up for bug 11694) and if it is, details of your testing environment, including MySQL version
16:40 mtompset     It's no different than the logic required to upgrade Koha to a newer version, because it was fixed in that.
16:40 jcamins      No worse than debugging any other Zebra configuration.
16:39 mtompset     It does if you want to encourage people to using DOM. ;)
16:39 wajasu       thats what I thought.  debugging this stuff would be a real pain down the line.
16:38 jcamins      wajasu: of course we should. Deprecated != broken.
16:38 wajasu       yes, i just was to be sure if its OK to diverge the dom stuff, and leave maintaining GRS related configs behind.  i'm not sure if all that cql2pqf converter and the ability to use diffferent querytypes using yaz-client is worht preserving.
16:35 mtompset     Didn't we announce GRS was being deprecated?
16:35 wajasu       jcamins: if we do such a thing to support facets, should we add corresponding :0 entries to record.abs for the grs world?
16:34 * mtompset   cheers. :)
16:33 wajasu       jcamins: after adding the z:index ???:0 xml to the biblio-koha-indexdefs.xsl   for all the existing places that have Subject:p  Title:p  holdingbranch:p  and regenerating the other biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, i was successful in getting facets working with dom/ICU
16:26 mtompset     That lists the values currently in the table, you change the URL accordingly. :)
16:26 mtompset     [off] https://demo.library-admin.kohasystem.ca/cgi-bin/koha/admin/currency.pl
16:25 mtompset     but if you wanted to, the script is there. :)
16:24 gaetan_B     probably not indeed
16:24 mtompset     However, cait said on that bug that there's not likely a need to have the same default currencies in every currency file.
16:23 mtompset     You, of course, have to copy manually, because there is no direct link between language and default currency.
16:23 mtompset     I put an attachment on there that is a script of how to grab values from Yahoo! finance, and generate the default currency values.
16:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11939 minor, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Sample of currencies with a working active value
16:22 cait         hm i think so
16:22 mtompset     bug 11939
16:21 gaetan_B     is the only way to test it to create an order ?
16:21 gaetan_B     maybe it's just the screen shot
16:21 gaetan_B     i also think this would be what makes sense
16:21 cait         you could do a quick test to make sure
16:21 mtompset     What was that bug report... *searches* It just made master.
16:20 cait         gaetan_B: i normally do: 1 EUR in GBP in google and use that value :)
16:20 gaetan_B     indeed
16:20 mtompset     gaetan_B: However, the rates and exchanges table have no direct link to reality. ;)
16:20 gaetan_B     but maybe
16:20 gaetan_B     i don't think 1 dollar has ever been two pounds
16:20 gaetan_B     so the rate would be what 1 pound gives you in dollars ? so what 1 unit of the currency you are looking at will give you in the currency currently set with a rate of 1 ?
16:19 cait         and it hink it should work like that - maybe just the values are outdated on the screenshot?
16:19 cait         gaetan_B: i think i would think the same
16:19 wahanui      link is, like, broken. Also, we don't know what tools you're using to create the marc, but there is probably an option in that tool
16:19 mtompset     link?
16:19 gaetan_B     but the example in the manual seems to indicate otherwise
16:19 gaetan_B     so roughly 0.5
16:18 gaetan_B     i would expect the rate of the pound to be what 1 dollar will give you in pounds
16:18 gaetan_B     with a rate of 1
16:18 gaetan_B     if my currency is the us dollar
16:18 gaetan_B     hmmm rates and currencies seem a little bit unclear in the manual
16:18 reiveune     bye
16:11 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing typo in updatedatabase
16:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #183: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/183/
16:11 wahanui      o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:11 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
15:53 ashimema     :)
15:53 mtompset     Greetings, ashimema. :)
15:53 mtompset     Speaking of hungry. It's almost lunch. :)
15:49 barton       and kudos to whoever added i18n to Koha -- good choice of technology.
15:47 bag          barton++
15:46 barton       bag++
15:46 barton       cait++
15:46 barton       that worked perfectly!
15:44 barton       thank god for #koha.
15:43 barton       yeah, *fixing* it is always the easy part ;-)
15:43 bag          barton it was something easy
15:43 bag          thanks cait
15:43 bag          aha!
15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #183 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #179 2 days 10 hr ago)
15:42 barton       aha.
15:42 cait         update is for updating the po files to get the new strings from master
15:42 cait         barton: you need install
15:42 barton       running this as the koha user...
15:41 barton       -rw-r--r-- 1 koha koha 2553 Dec 27  2012 /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/es-ES/includes/opac-bottom.inc
15:41 barton       but ...
15:41 barton       which shows From: /home/koha/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/ ... The update seems to be successful.
15:40 barton       I actually ran "perl translate -v update es-ES"
15:40 barton       bag, oleonard: 'perl translate update es-ES' didn't update es-ES/includes/opac-bottom.inc.
15:39 ashimema     your making me hungry guys
15:33 bag          that sounds like a good idea for foodz today
15:33 cait         and they have matcha icecream
15:32 cait         trying to stay away from them today, because we go for sushi later...
15:32 bag          heh
15:32 cait         ah i think tomorrow
15:32 bag          or 2 days?
15:32 bag          6 left = 6 days?
15:32 cait         :)
15:32 bag          so sad
15:31 cait         so sad
15:31 cait         i have 6 left...
15:31 cait         :)
15:30 bag          heya cait!!!  I'm enjoying a reese's peanut butter cup right now :)
15:30 bag          barton any luck?
15:25 barton       hi mtompset
15:22 cait         hi mtompset
15:21 mtompset     Greetings, #koha cait barton
15:18 cait         barton: you absolutely want to update the templates after every koha update :)
15:18 cait         barton: it will lead to weird things if you forget... i have been there many many times
14:53 barton       Good to know.
14:53 oleonard     Yes
14:52 barton       Is that something that needs to happen after every update?
14:51 barton       oleonard++
14:50 oleonard     ...or... perl translate update es-ES
14:50 oleonard     perl translate install es-ES
14:50 oleonard     misc/translator
14:49 barton       mm. I see.
14:49 oleonard     Koha ships with just the English templates, and then the translations are built from those.
14:49 * barton     doesn't know how templates are built in the first place...
14:47 oleonard     barton: Sounds like that set of templates needs to be rebuilt?
14:46 barton       oleonard: quick template question: es-ES/includes/opac-bottom.inc is using changelanguage.pl rather than opac-changelanguage.pl -- do you know if there's a bug open on that? (couldn't find anyting obvious in bugzilla, but I'm bad for that)
14:41 ashimema     it'll be nice to get at least one promise off the pile :)
14:40 bag          and very cool ashimema I'm looking forward to seeing those squashed commits :)
14:39 huginn       ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 2.9°C (2:39 PM GMT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:39 ashimema     @wunder stevenage, uk
14:39 huginn       bag: The current temperature in Westside (Gillespie), Santa Barbara, California is 13.3°C (7:39 AM PDT on March 26, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
14:39 bag          @wunder 93102
14:39 ashimema     wow.. it just started snowing here.. that was unexpected
14:39 bag          tired
14:38 bag          HA I've already answered 2 emails about that this morning for Baker and Taylor :P
14:38 ashimema     how are you?
14:38 ashimema     just squashing commit now for a submission :)
14:38 ashimema     I'm good, been hacking at edi today..
14:38 ashimema     :) Good morning bag.
14:37 bag          heya ashimema - how's things - guess I got in early enough to catch you one of these days
14:36 bag          good morning
13:35 ashimema     edi messages are now readable ;)
13:34 ashimema     that's much better.
13:34 ashimema     beautiful..
13:32 oleonard     I assume I stole the trick from someone else :)
13:32 ashimema     thanks
13:32 ashimema     :)
13:32 ashimema     your work around for that is clever
13:32 ashimema     So wasn't wrong that datatables aaSorting doesn't allow class as a selector..
13:31 oleonard     It's not a hack, it's clever ;)
13:30 ashimema     it's a bit of a hack.. ut it makes sense
13:30 ashimema     that makes sense
13:30 ashimema     of course..
13:30 oleonard     I had to do it that way in that case because so many preferences affect the columns on that page.
13:29 oleonard     It's not exactly a built-in feature, but that part of the script looks for a class on a header cell to determine the default sort
13:29 oleonard     Starting at line 638
13:28 oleonard     ashimema: The thing I was thinking of is in opac-user.tt in the bootstrap theme
13:28 ashimema     ack..
13:16 francharb    hi
13:15 ashimema     hmm.. on second look.. it does appear to be sorting by the column I want it to upon initialisation.. it's just ignoring my request to sort descending instead of ascending.
13:13 * oleonard   thinks he saw an example of that in the templates yesterday
13:13 ashimema     :).. I've not found that yet.
13:13 oleonard     ashimema: I think you can add a class to define initial sort
13:11 ashimema     instead you now use 'asSorting', but this doesn't allow choosing which column is the default sort upon initial load
13:11 ashimema     to my reading the 'aaSorting' param cannot be used in combination with class identifiers.
13:09 ashimema     and I think DataTables doesn't support what I wanted t do either.
13:09 ashimema     Joubu: thanks for the offer but I think i've gotten to the bottom of the issue now.. It was two things.. A messed up tidy operation that left in a bad class..
12:58 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Increment version for 3.14.5 release
12:58 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Update release notes for 3.14.5 release
12:58 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Tranlation updates for 3.14.05 release
12:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #28: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/28/
12:57 sophie_m     barton: it's misc/cronjob/printoverdues.sh that is doing the job
12:50 barton       ;-)
12:50 barton       And yes, I did look in C4/Letters.pm.
12:49 barton       magnuse: yeah, I looked at that -- all it does is call C4::Letters::SendQueuedMessages( { verbose => $verbose, username => $username, password => $password, method => $method } );
12:48 magnuse      barton: have a look at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl;h=c79fea8452cba93e0be23ee6d88559f43d6c7bc7;hb=HEAD
12:48 barton       I have a partner who wants to autoatically generate formfeeds in the file. Nengard has instructions on how to do that by hand, but he doesn't want that.
12:45 JesseM       Morning
12:45 barton       morning jessem
12:45 barton       can someone explain the mechanics of how and when unsent notices generated by overdue_notices.pl are sent via email or output to a file?
12:43 barton       morning, all!
12:19 Joubu        ashimema: I can take a look if you have a patch somewhere.
12:17 ashimema     thanks for the pointer though.
12:17 ashimema     anywho.. I'll get there in the end I'm sure.
12:16 ashimema     inside the "aoColumnDefs" block
12:16 ashimema     { "asSorting": ["desc", "asc"], "aTargets" : [ "desc" ] }
12:14 ashimema     Indeed.. problem is when I try to use classes instead of integers my sorting breaks ;)
12:13 Joubu        ashimema: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2014-February/040301.html ?
11:51 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
11:51 ashimema     @later tell oleonard I may need a few more pointers on using classes with datatables sorts when your back
11:06 cait         hi nlegrand
10:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #28 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
10:35 nlegrand     hiya!
09:24 wahanui      I'll be waiting for you to come back, kivilahtio.
09:24 kivilahtio   rangi: good night!
09:23 cait         sleep well
09:22 ashimema     sleep well rangi
09:22 rangi        right time for sleep
09:21 kivilahtio   rangi: Thanks for the guidance
09:21 kivilahtio   ok, I'll go read a book
09:20 rangi        thats its main point of difference
09:20 rangi        nginx doesnt use threads
09:19 kivilahtio   but I guess it's ok
09:19 kivilahtio   with apache2 you have the worker threads, with nginx you have worker threads and with starman
09:19 kivilahtio   but that is awfull lot of thread hanging around. One thread for nginx, one for starman
09:18 ashimema     at some point i'll finish splitting out the nginx + plack bug as I intended..
09:18 kivilahtio   "short version".minified
09:18 kivilahtio   well you kinda did already :)
09:18 kivilahtio   don't tell me the short version
09:18 ashimema     indeed there is.
09:18 kivilahtio   ok ok
09:18 rangi        theres tons of literature on this already
09:17 kivilahtio   I can sign that off
09:17 rangi        apache2 is old and bloated
09:17 kivilahtio   :)
09:17 ashimema     haha
09:17 rangi        yes
09:17 kivilahtio   do you know why?
09:17 rangi        well it does
09:17 kivilahtio   but I find it hard to believe it could do better than apache2, which is quite tested?
09:17 rangi        even under plack
09:16 rangi        no its still /cgi-bin/koha
09:16 kivilahtio   yeah I have heard of this super awesome nginx
09:16 rangi        nginx will also do ssl faster than starman, and faster than apache too
09:16 kivilahtio   if one is not using plack?
09:16 rangi        except they will be /cgi-bin/koha/ requests
09:16 kivilahtio   you made me a happy boy!
09:16 kivilahtio   thanks :D
09:15 rangi        yes
09:15 kivilahtio   well ok, configure nginx to proxy .psgi requests to starman
09:15 rangi        nginx will deliver them magnitudes faster than starman
09:15 kivilahtio   hmm
09:14 kivilahtio   rangi: that's true
09:14 rangi        not the css files, or the js, or all the images
09:14 kivilahtio   even the start pages
09:14 kivilahtio   dynamically created
09:14 kivilahtio   most of the stuff is pulled from the db
09:14 kivilahtio   not sure what you mean with static context
09:13 rangi        you knew that eh
09:13 rangi        of course it does
09:13 kivilahtio   silly question
09:13 kivilahtio   erm but does Koha have static content?
09:13 rangi        yes
09:13 kivilahtio   rangi: so it actually is a good idea performance wise?
09:13 rangi        because you shouldnt be serving static content with starman
09:12 rangi        you should be anyway
09:12 kivilahtio   rangi: I just don't feel very comfortable using two web servers
09:12 kivilahtio   but this is a quite common case
09:12 kivilahtio   nope :)
09:11 cait         kivilahtio: you saw what rangi said?
09:09 kivilahtio   cait: just sent a very formal letter to him :)
09:08 * magnuse    found a norwegian shop that sells laptops sans os: http://www.multicom.no/
09:04 kivilahtio   cait: thanks :D
09:04 cait         kivilahtio: dpavlin is not really here, email is working better for him
09:03 ashimema     feels very wastful
09:03 ashimema     I pretty much always end up getting a windows mechine and nuking windows as my first thing..
09:03 ashimema     wish we could get them here.
09:03 rangi        yep
09:03 ashimema     ooh.. system76 by any chance ;)
09:02 rangi        nope ordered one tho, picking it up when im in the us next month
09:00 ashimema     back on a laptop yet?
08:59 ashimema     ;) you beat me to it rangi
08:58 rangi        it will be a ton faster, then starman can listen on localhost only
08:58 rangi        id just put nginx doing ssl in front, and proxy to starman
08:53 kivilahtio   or would Plack::Handler::Apache2 be better for SSL?
08:52 kivilahtio   dpavlin: I am looking into enabling https / SSL on starman, but I am getting pretty mixed reviews. Do you have an opinion?
08:51 kivilahtio   dpavlin: ping ping!  I have a question about plack and starman specifically.
08:48 ashimema     hi cait
08:47 cait         morning ashimema :)
08:22 ashimema     morning #koha
08:22 ashimema     and I have no issues with being the 'affable brit' in your stories pianohacker ;)
08:21 ashimema     the scrollback today is hilarious..
08:05 magnuse      hiya cait
08:03 cait         good morning #koha :)
08:03 cait         hmpf
08:03 wahanui      germs is, like, http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
08:03 huginn       GERMS!!!!
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11329 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Check for marc record in opac-showmarc
07:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11352 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Batch Patron Deletion/Anonmyzation deletes more than warning states it will delete
07:57 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in catalogue/showmarc
07:57 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11329: Check for MARC record existence in opac-showmarc
07:57 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11352: fix unexpected data loss issues with batch patron deletion/anonymization
07:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/182/
07:56 sophie_m     hello magnuse :-)
07:55 magnuse      bonjour france!
07:55 magnuse      have fun dcook
07:49 alex_a       bonjour
07:49 reiveune     hello
07:47 dcook        Ok. Giving in and getting food. Night all.
07:46 magnuse      very cool :-)
07:45 rangi        not one single line
07:45 rangi        magnuse: no
07:45 magnuse      yeah, a wiki page might be good
07:45 magnuse      the ncip work will not affect even a single line of koha code?
07:41 * dcook      has been on a bug closing rampage at work lately, so quite anti-bugs that are needlessly open
07:41 dcook        magnuse: Perhaps a wiki page?
07:40 rangi        someone can make a bug if they want, it just will sit there and never get closed
07:40 magnuse      sweet as
07:39 magnuse      and btw, i'm all for it being a separate project!
07:39 magnuse      hm, my persepctive is some someone researching koha and wondering about ncip support. they might look at the documentation and bugzilla, and they will have no clue that anything is happening
07:37 * dcook      likes the sound of that
07:36 rangi        its a sep repo, sep project
07:35 rangi        no plan to bundle it like SIP and have it become ILS dependent
07:35 rangi        its not part of koha
07:35 rangi        magnuse: no
07:34 * magnuse    did not mean to do that
07:34 cait         i have to go to work... later :)
07:34 magnuse      oh noes
07:34 cait         now you scared him away ;)
07:30 magnuse      rangi: talking of bugs, maybe there should be a bug for the ncip work you are doing?
07:30 cait         also communicating things while they are being developed... not once it's all done would be good
07:30 * cait       agrees
07:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #182 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #179 2 days 2 hr ago)
07:22 dcook        Totally
07:22 rangi        thats a flawed expectation
07:21 rangi        right
07:21 dcook        Rather...there is an expectation that everything "should" go in
07:21 dcook        No, that's not what I mean...
07:21 dcook        Yet, I sometimes think that there is this expectation that once you submit a patch, it has to go in
07:21 dcook        True
07:19 rangi        exactly, no one knows what others are doing, or if the code will be useful if they never see it
07:19 dcook        I suppose it makes a certain amount of sense to submit everything though and the useful can be sorted from the not useful by the community...
07:18 dcook        2) Not all the work I do is relevant to the community. It might be a local customization that isn't relevant for other users of Koha
07:18 dcook        1) I don't have the time
07:18 dcook        I don't feed back all my work to the community for two reasons
07:18 dcook        I'm starting to wonder a bit about all the patches in Bugzilla...
07:16 dcook        I might not be testing patches, but maybe my feedback will count for something
07:10 dcook        Well, maybe not easy to read, but I like the formatting!
07:09 dcook        So easy to read
07:09 dcook        Love the format of these bug reports
07:09 dcook        kivilahtio++
07:08 dcook        I'm not too keen on the dying myself
07:08 * cait       thinks that would not be good
07:07 dcook        Nope. I think I'll probably die here.
07:05 magnuse      dcook: there is no escape!
07:02 * dcook      lied before when he said that he was leaving..
07:02 dcook        hey  magnuse
07:02 * magnuse    waves
06:31 dcook        I think I'm out. Gym time maybe.
06:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Syspref caching issues
06:11 eythian      bug 11998 in case anyone is interested.
06:08 eythian      wajasu: there is a script that makes it a lot easier.
06:08 eythian      later
06:08 * wajasu     gnight.
06:07 wajasu       all i know is, i can't wait to use plack/psgi  to test, with a nice preconfigured debugging setup.
06:03 wajasu       and once the message adapter was in place we could call https://camel.apache.org/components.html
06:02 wajasu       https://camel.apache.org/elasticsearch.html
06:00 wajasu       we need an API that is like a message ESB (ike apache camel).  i wanted to just write an adapter using stomp to send/receive messages to Apache Camel, so folks could get Solr, and all those services.
05:58 wajasu       i wish we could decouple as well.  it would let folks supply alternative implementations, even as KohaPlugins.
05:56 dcook        You're probably right. I suppose I just wish that we coupled things a bit more loosely in Koha.
05:55 cait         dcook: not sure elastic search will be for everyone
05:53 dcook        I imagine but it would be good to have something a bit abstract/pluggable
05:53 wajasu       sure would be worth a try because of the headaches supporting complex configs.  but of course we would have an unmanaged mode for extreme
05:53 eythian      zebra will be around for a while yet I suspect.
05:53 dcook        Given that rangi and eythian have been working on ElasticSearch, it might not hurt to wait on this one
05:52 dcook        Hmm...maybe wajasu.
05:51 dcook        eythian: Probably a good idea to have a "get your feet wet with zebra" wiki page. I wonder if anyone took notes from when gmcharlt gave a talk on Zebra at kohacon13
05:51 wajasu       i could write a Koha::Config::Zebra class that gives most of what we offer, and write out the configurable files in a "root" for zebra.
05:50 dcook        Since each index we want to use with facets needs to have a ":0" index in the Zebra config
05:50 dcook        It'll be a limited configurability
05:49 dcook        That said...
05:49 eythian      it could be
05:49 dcook        eythian: Possibly. Configurable facets could be handy.
05:49 wajasu       or just vote on the set of facets we really need and config that set, driven by koha-conf.xml.
05:48 eythian      some parts of it could be worthwhile, though my bar for sysprefs is usually "would it be useful for a librarian to modify this"
05:47 wajasu       well i wonder if we should make all zebra config "managed" as a syspref, and we generate teh configs on the fly, so we can choose what to facet and limits.
05:47 eythian      maybe we need a "get your feet wet with zebra" wiki page, that covers the basics of how it works.
05:46 eythian      oh good, we need more zebra experts. I know very little about it myself.
05:45 dcook        On an unrelated note, there's a Diablo III expansion? O_o
05:45 dcook        heya cait :)
05:45 dcook        No worries. Zebra is a bit of an intimidating beast at first, and this facet stuff has puzzled folks for years, so it feels pretty good to have sorted out a lot of it now.
05:44 * cait       waves
05:44 wajasu       dcook: thanks for all the patience/help on that facet stuff.  i ended up learning all about zebra, reading the source code as well since i got stuck.
05:39 wajasu       dcook: the missing knowledge was the fact that I hadd to add  z:index to a stylesheet.  you guys already add that knowledge, but i was flying blind. a greenhorn in all that stuff.
05:37 eythian      wajasu: your name is too close to wahanui :)
05:36 eythian      oh
05:36 wahanui      i already had it that way, eythian.
05:36 eythian      wahanui: css selectors is http://flukeout.github.io/
05:36 dcook        In any case, glad you got it working :)
05:36 dcook        As in, add the index to the XML and then convert that over into the XSL
05:36 dcook        Also follow Tomas's instructions
05:35 eythian      wajasu: css selectors is http://flukeout.github.io/
05:35 wajasu       i did.
05:35 * wajasu     yay!
05:35 dcook        wajasu: Follow the instructions I posteed
05:35 * wajasu     just finally figured out i needed to add a z:index to the xsl so i can get  Z> element zebra;:facet::Title:0   Z> f @attr 1=1003 Gianfranco    working.
05:33 eythian      hello cait
05:32 eythian      it'd make more sense to just disable it actually, you could do that on a staging site or similar.
05:30 wajasu       yeah.
05:30 eythian      it could certainly be done, but it'd probably be a followup.
05:29 wajasu       you call.
05:29 wajasu       if you have a way to set the timeout for the cached data (ie koha-conf.xml) for 0 or 1 second, that would be helpful enough.
05:24 wahanui      okay, eythian.
05:24 eythian      wajasu: popcorn is also <reply>http://f.thumbs.redditmedia.com/isdNJCNrpornZlXe.png
05:14 eythian      *short of...
05:14 eythian      Memcache shouldn't be a problem, I'll make it clear. However doing that for an internal cache is a problem for the same reason that caching internally is a problem anyway: we have no way to signal to other workers to turn off the cache (sort of setting something in koha-conf.)
05:12 wajasu       maybe have a way to turn off memcache of sysprefs so when testing, and changing  sysprefs, one gets changes immediately.
04:54 mtj          ok, and yes :)
04:54 eythian      yeah, but memcache isn't always available, so I'd like to handle that nicely too.
04:53 mtj          eythian,  you get plack to not cache in-process, and always fetch from memcache?
04:49 mtj          yeah, i see that
04:48 eythian      but it fails when you have persistence.
04:48 eythian      well, the hash would have worked perfectly fine for CGI
04:47 mtj          i wonder if folks thought that mysql did a decent enuff job of caching the prefs, and didnt bother
04:47 eythian      it shouldn't be too hard.
04:46 eythian      I'm thinking of refactoring that area a bit so that there's a Koha::SystemPreferences module and all things go through that.
04:46 eythian      yeah, they just go into that little hash.
04:46 mtj          hmm, they sure dont look like they are cached, from the code
04:44 eythian      it'd be fairly fast, it wouldn't even need serialisation.
04:43 eythian      yeah, me too
04:42 mtj          woah… i though sysprefs were memcached too :/
04:41 mtj          aaah ok.. yeah, i was assuming memcache
04:41 eythian      I might make them do that too if it's available.
04:41 eythian      it seems that sysprefs don't go into memcache.
04:40 eythian      This is an in-process cache, not memcache or similar.
04:40 eythian      mtj: that wouldn't work when you have multiple processes.
04:37 mtj          that would fix the bug, without the need for any timing code?
04:36 mtj          i am thinking to myself, why not wipe, then recache the table, after any syspref change?
04:34 mtj          i'm still trying to understand that weird bug
04:34 wahanui      hola, eythian
04:34 eythian      howdy
04:31 mtj          hiya eythian
04:29 * eythian    is thinking of putting a 30 second timer onto the syspref cache if you're running under plack.
04:28 eythian      I guess it makes sense in a CGI world.
04:28 eythian      That's problematic.
04:28 eythian      hrm, setting sysprefs doesn't seem to clear the syspref cache at all.
04:25 mtj          wow, thats very handy for koha   :)
01:01 wizzyrea     which is actually something else that just popped into my mind, related but not.
01:00 * wizzyrea   imagines a map with the search results plotted
00:59 wizzyrea     ohhhhh that's neat!
00:13 eythian      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0553568159 <-- this could be a useful thing to link to from records.
00:03 pianohacker  woops
00:03 pianohacker  ************
00:03 pianohacker  oh, thank goodness I don't use that password anymore
00:02 eythian      that's what I said.
00:01 pianohacker  *******?
00:00 eythian      could have been worse. could have been hunter2
00:00 pianohacker  hi middle click
00:00 pianohacker  return true;
00:00 pianohacker  document.f.submit();