Time Nick Message 23:54 jcamins wajasu: I can't help you with this now, but I think Tomas may have documented how he set up facets to work with ICU. The key point is that -- as pointed out way back at KohaCon -- the :p indexes CANNOT BE USED FOR FACETS. You MUST use :0 indexes. 22:30 wajasu well you can see xml escaped stuff in there. and the count of chars i believe matches the correct result closely. so i think its a transliteration icu-chain rule. 22:29 wajasu i had success with non-ICU. but am trying to ICU. wasn't sure is tcohen did ICU. 22:29 cait that looks like a weird mix 22:28 wajasu i get <term coccur="4" occur="2">"1/I3OKCAK7A+='7I)</term> 22:26 wajasu it looks like tcohen got some results. i haven't got there yet. 22:25 wajasu yes 22:25 cait wajasu: did you see the newest comments on the bug? 22:24 wajasu refereing to http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/general/rules#TOC-Context 22:24 wajasu i am getting results for facets for non-ICU now. looking at ICU, I get results, but the displayed text is garbled, so I cam looking at the ICU transliteration rules for the phrases :p option 20:39 rhcl its 20:39 rhcl well, if it applications then layer 7, but if it the device drivers that's layer 2 20:38 mtompset maybe layer 6? ;) 20:20 rhcl yea, it's those layer 7 programmers... 20:18 mtompset It's probably not 100% your fault. Blame the application designers who provided it in a way that is difficult to print. ;) 20:10 cait *sigh* printers hate me 20:10 cait because i wasted a lot of paper printing my train ticket for tomorrow 20:10 mtompset Why, cait? 20:10 cait printer-- 19:54 oleonard Bye #koha, have a good weekend! 19:50 cait we'll totally be :) 19:50 * mtompset is excited to hear about the facet progress. Combine that with something customizable, and we'll be awesome. :) 19:31 cait tcohen++ 19:31 cait tcohen: did you just post the solution for facets with zebra AND ICU??! 19:01 cait hm? 18:55 tcohen cait. icu? 18:52 tcohen maybe until january then? 18:52 tcohen of course ! 18:52 cait you want to keep us around :) 18:48 tcohen by brain and my fingers haven't reached a consensus 18:48 tcohen oh, i get it 18:48 tcohen dunno why get wrote that with bgkriegel 18:48 tcohen cait: it is 10/12 18:42 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 18:42 mtompset @later tell Oak Sorry, I had my chauffeur hat on. 18:40 tcohen its very wrong :-D 18:39 cait there is a gab between12 - 20 18:39 cait tcohen: is the last line on the schedule correct? 18:37 cait hm ont sure, it hink most is on the bug 18:34 tcohen is there a wiki page for the work on retrieving facets from Zebra? 18:01 tcohen :( 17:59 jcamins No Argentine tango in Argentina for us. 17:58 jcamins Yeah. :( 17:57 tcohen oh, that's sad! 17:57 jcamins Though, alas, I probably won't be able to make KohaCon this year. :( 17:57 jcamins tcohen: oooh. I like grilled vegetables! 17:56 tcohen jcamins: when I do an asado, I usually put half meat and half vegetables 17:54 * cait is persuaded ... just have to persuade some others now as well 17:53 tcohen oh, we put several vegetables on the grill too! 17:53 cait oh food! 17:53 jcamins tcohen: asado doesn't seem very good for vegetarians. 17:52 tcohen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asado 17:51 cait asado? :) 17:51 cait looking at the schedule just this moment :) 17:51 cait hi tcohen :) 17:51 tcohen hi cait 17:50 * cait waves 17:39 druthb ZOMGBRILLIANT: http://usecloak.com/ 17:39 reiveune bye 17:23 francharb well, you'll never know until you try it... ;) 17:21 jcamins francharb: I see a problem with that. After the frog is done playing on the iPad, it will attack the owner. 17:19 francharb ;) 17:19 francharb hey jcamins, if you still dont know what to do with the frogs you might buy one day at your local store : http://dailypicksandflicks.com/2011/12/21/bullfrog-playing-ant-crusher-video/ 16:55 cait hi Oak! 16:13 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add SelfCheckReceiptPrompt 16:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #466: SUCCESS in 2 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/466/ 16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #466 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:59 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update AcqItemSetSubfieldsWhenReceived 15:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #465: SUCCESS in 2 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/465/ 15:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #465 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED) 15:21 Oak hello druthb ! :) 15:21 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (4:00 PM CET on March 21, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 15:21 Oak @wunder Konstanz 15:21 druthb kia ora, Oak! 15:20 Oak hello mtompset 15:20 Oak magnuse 15:20 Oak hello cait 15:20 Oak kia ora #koha 14:55 JesseM Pizza Day!!! 14:55 * magnuse calls it a week 14:55 magnuse w00t! 14:55 wahanui friday is pizzaday! 14:55 magnuse friday? 14:39 magnuse marcmustdie! 14:37 dbs magnuse: cool! will do 14:32 magnuse (with the possibility to dumb rdf down to marc if there are no other options) 14:32 magnuse dbs: make sure you have a good talk with Anne-Lena Westrum and Asgeir Rekkavik - they are going to replace marc with rdf in a year or two 14:31 magnuse dbs: sure! and: ah, yes :-) 14:24 dbs magnuse: Do I count as a koha person? If so, yes 14:20 magnuse hiya francharb 14:18 francharb hi! 14:03 magnuse any koha people going to http://code4lib.org/conference/2014/schedule ? (appart from anne-lena and asgeir from opl) 13:39 rhcl Morning tcohen 13:37 tcohen morning #koha 12:51 wajasu mtompset: i was doing git am -i -u -3 ... 12:50 wajasu fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/NewsChannels.pm) on patch id 25325 Use Display Filter,, Cannot fall back to three-way merge 12:45 wajasu let me try again. :) 12:42 mtompset Easy to test each piece. 12:42 mtompset Yes, tiny, incremental patches. 12:42 wajasu 11 patches for that one. in progress. 12:41 mtompset wajasu: There... confirmed the sha1 problem of Joubu. It should work no problems now. 12:37 ashimema I played with it with dcook at kohacon.. but don't remember the details tbh 12:37 ashimema less promising.. 12:36 wajasu i will try to investigate ICU later. 12:35 mtompset ashimema, only slightly. There are ICU issues. 12:35 ashimema hi oleonard 12:35 oleonard Hi #koha 12:35 ashimema thats promising 12:35 wajasu grabbing your bug now. 12:35 wajasu yay! i got the facet behavior to work. like dcook did. 12:31 wajasu sure. one moment 12:30 mtompset wajasu: Could you check that you can git bz apply 7567 on a new branch of master with minimal difficulty? 12:27 wajasu thats what i was thinking 12:26 mtompset Sucky, wajasu. :( 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra 12:25 wajasu i built a fresh new debian VM with koha packages and non-ICU, and tried to get facets to respond in yaz-client like dcook did in bug 11232, but just can't get it to work. 12:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 12:05 cait hi slef 12:02 slef (hi all) 12:02 huginn slef: magnuse was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <magnuse> hiya ashimema 12:02 slef @seen magnuse 11:08 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 11:08 cait @later tell pianohacker - want to test the external targets bug with you next week - suggest a time? ideally my afternoon would be good if that's doable. I will have a Debian machine then to test with :) 11:06 cait especially the real old commits 11:06 cait git is sometimes hard to read 11:06 paxed because $count and $totalcount weren't used in katipo's code either. git show f408ead60b7d55eb9f6fde05097a4e99278c1d1f 11:06 cait it used to work in the first koha I saw, which was past 2007 11:06 cait it wasn't broken then no 11:04 paxed was it broken when the changes from katipo were folded in 2006? 11:02 cait reasons why we have QA today - trying to make sure nothing gets broken 11:01 cait adding a new feature... not thinking about how an existing one worked 11:01 cait yeah, someone broke it 11:00 paxed cait: well, unused variables. see $totalcount and $count 10:59 cait katipo wrote the first version of koha 10:59 cait paxed: it#s not weirdness, but holds worked differently back then 10:45 paxed the weirdness dates back to 2006, coming from katipo. 10:31 paxed the only place where AddReserve is called with constraint other than 'a' is routing-preview.pl ... and that piece of code looks a bit weird. 10:25 cait i filed a bug report with my findings 10:25 cait well in my experience it does not - but you can test it again 10:24 paxed oh? 10:24 cait routinglistaddreserves doesn't work 10:18 paxed except when RoutingListAddReserves is set. 09:57 paxed lovely, a FIXME in code clears up the situation. 09:57 * paxed goes ah-ha 09:34 magnuse hiya ashimema 09:25 ashimema Morning Koha... 09:19 gaetan_B hello 09:09 paxed OPAC doesn't show how many reserves a book has? 08:22 magnuse :-) 08:20 cait hi Magnuse :) 08:20 magnuse kia ora cait! 07:58 * magnuse waves again 07:47 sophie_m hello #koha 07:39 markvandenborre buongiorno, goedemorgen 07:36 alex_a bonjour 07:35 reiveune hello 07:07 * magnuse waves 06:55 cait oh 06:49 dcook Debugging the cat! 06:49 dcook Finally found out what is wrong with one of our cats \o/ 06:49 dcook In any case, I need to head to the vet! 06:48 cait yeah i think that's it 06:48 dcook It's just the label that is probably off 06:48 cait it could be a good thing to fix that bug 06:48 dcook I'd have to look at the code, but I think - as Bernardo points out - the values are probably fine 06:47 dcook Ah, I think that might not mean what people think it means 06:45 paxed also* 06:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9093 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 008 forgetting what material type was chosen 06:45 paxed aösp bug 9093 06:44 dcook Hmm, that would be interesting to try 06:43 cait you can set the string in the normal configuration, but it's a bit fiddly with the plugins, i have only used it, when the plugins are not used 06:43 dcook Ah...although I suppose you could use a default value... 06:43 cait i do that for our FA 06:43 dcook I didn't see any defaults for 008 or Leader as they use plugins 06:43 cait but probably only works when you first open the framework 06:43 cait you can set a default value for the fixed fields i think 06:43 dcook But, the joy of open source is that it can be changed :) 06:42 dcook Cataloguing is a bit of a weakness with Koha, I think 06:42 dcook It would reduce user error 06:42 dcook It would probably even be a good idea 06:41 dcook I suppose in theory that could be changed... 06:41 dcook There's no reason why they would change values for the LDR, 008, or certain other fixed fields 06:41 dcook Yeah, frameworks are arbitrary. 06:41 dcook Ah, right. 06:40 dcook I'll look 06:40 dcook Or maybe I don't understand them quite right ;) 06:40 paxed could be. 06:40 dcook I think you might not understand the purpose of frameworks 06:39 paxed for example, koha's system doesn't populate eg. LDR, 008, etc. correctly when changing frameworks. 06:39 dcook So does it use form fields or is it more like a text editor? 06:38 paxed no, it's windows program. 06:38 dcook Is it web-based? 06:38 dcook What does the screen look like? How do they interact with it? 06:38 dcook How do they use that ILS 06:37 dcook That's not what I mean really 06:37 paxed closed-source ILS. 06:37 dcook If not, find out what they do currently use. 06:37 dcook Perhaps they already use a third-party tool for cataloguing. 06:37 dcook (And of course create efficiencies wherever possible as older workflows almost always have redundant steps in them.) 06:36 dcook That way, you can figure out what they will need to do in the current system, and address any gaps. 06:36 dcook In my experience, it's handy to have someone talk to everyone (especially in technical services) and figure out what they've been doing with the past system. 06:36 paxed yes 06:35 paxed translation was a big part of my job, but that's now 99% done. now i've tackled some koha deficiencies our library needs, but there's still lots to do. 06:35 dcook Do you have a project manager who is managing the softer side of things? 06:34 paxed i'm one of the devs. 06:34 dcook What's your role in the migration? 06:33 dcook Mmm, so you're worried about what the cataloguers will think. 06:32 paxed supposedly we'll start using it this summer. 06:31 paxed ask kivilahtio when we will be using it. 06:31 dcook Or do you want it to use Koha? 06:31 dcook Does your public library use Koha? 06:31 dcook What's your question, paxed? 06:31 dcook But I guess the real question is... 06:30 dcook There are other cataloguing agencies out there. Lots of cataloguing is outsourced these days. 06:30 dcook OCLC is quite active outside America as well, but I take your point 06:30 paxed OCLC is not an option - we are not an american library 06:29 cait paxed: did you ask them what especially they don't like? 06:29 dcook If it's a wealthy public library, they could use OCLC and then import the records into Koha using a few different methods 06:29 dcook But there are alternatives 06:29 dcook Well, I suspect that they do use it 06:29 paxed so what do they use? 06:28 dcook Koha's current system isn't set up for a pro who is doing this 8 hours a day 06:28 dcook And they'd be right to kill you 06:28 dcook There you go 06:28 paxed public library 06:28 dcook Are you at a public or academic institution? 06:28 dcook I had the feeling you might have your own cataloguers, paxed ;) 06:28 dcook Many of them don't know AACR2/RDA, MARC, etc 06:27 paxed ours would kill us if we tried to get them to use koha's current system. 06:27 dcook I would say 99% of the librarians I support have never taken a cataloguing course 06:27 dcook "many" library schools* 06:27 dcook Nor is cataloguing a required course in library schools 06:27 dcook Not every library can employ full-time cataloguers or library technicians 06:26 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 06:26 * dcook facepalm 06:26 paxed GIGO 06:26 dcook "allowed to catalogue"? 06:26 dcook O_o 06:26 paxed why would a non-pro be allowed to catalogue anyway? 06:25 dcook Aside from some of the scary MARC labels 06:25 dcook Lots of non-pros don't necessarily mind Koha's current system. 06:25 paxed right, that's why i said "koha's _current_ system" 06:25 dcook As a fairly experienced cataloguer, I would ideally use "Rancor" that pianohacker is developing. It's old school and lots of pro cataloguers would probably love it. 06:25 dcook In lots of different systems at lots of different experience levels 06:24 dcook You can do cataloguing in so many different ways 06:24 dcook But I think I'm just being facetious :p 06:24 dcook I think they usually use their brains and their fingers 06:24 paxed what do cataloguers use to catalogue? because i don't believe for a second they'd use koha's current system 06:24 dcook Hehe. It wasn't that long ago, but hopefully it's for real this time. I've been working hard to get caught up. Hopefully I'll be putting up a few bug reports and testing... 06:19 cait not sure when i last saw that :) 06:19 cait woohoo 06:15 dcook Hopefully I'll reduce that number quickly at the start of next week and get back into some community involvement (he says for the third time in three months) 06:15 dcook It's Friday and I'm down to 30 local issues in our bug tracker :D 06:15 dcook Late lunch/early supper? 06:14 * cait waves back 06:14 cait late lunch? 05:45 * dcook remedies that 05:45 dcook Oh, I forgot to eat lunch... 05:45 * dcook waves 05:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7339] Help System in IE8 Does Not Load With 500 Error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7339> / [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875> / [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing (umbrella report) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536> 04:45 wajasu note sure, but you might also see if you need ICU for your vietnamese characters for searches. but get some data loaded, and indexed so you can get searches going. 04:42 wajasu quyen: might give guidance. http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/ 04:28 quyen the third request, I mean that I have a file .kpz (koha plugins) but I can't install it into koha system. Please guide me when you can. Thank you very much. 04:25 quyen Thank you very much! Best wishes to you! 04:22 wajasu quyen: this may be helpful: http://isistomarc.pbworks.com/w/page/7858377/FrontPage 04:13 wajasu gnight 04:13 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 04:13 wahanui mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:13 mtompset mailing lists? 04:13 mtompset You may wish to ask on the mailing lists. 04:13 mtompset There are not many people here right now (lunch for a lot of people), midnight for others. 04:12 mtompset And given that I should have gone to sleep 12 minutes ago (it is 12:12AM here), I can't quite understand your third request. 04:11 mtompset Data conversion. I can't help you. I'm not familiar with ISIS. 04:11 mtompset You probably want to start with 3.14, if you are just starting using Koha. 04:11 mtompset You probably was to start with 3.14, if you are just starting using Koha. 04:10 mtompset wahanui: Is a bot. It is not human. 03:55 quyen and 1 more, I'd like integrated dspace on e-resource of bibliographic framework 03:54 quyen Please send me your guidance when you have free time. 03:54 quyen I'm sorry, maybe you are busy 03:51 quyen But my data is vietnamese code 03:51 quyen Althoug I have read Mark Edit 03:50 quyen And I'm not sure to convert data from ISIS to koha 03:50 quyen Now, I would like to setup plugins but I can't please guide me how to do it 03:49 quyen I know it is a good ILS 03:49 quyen I try to start with koha 3.12 03:49 wahanui hi, quyen 03:49 quyen Hello 03:33 mtompset 11213 down... 11909 to start. 03:17 mtompset I hate putting failed QA, but that's the proper setting. :( 02:31 mtompset I think I finally have a solid test plan. I wish people would write clear, mildly verbose, instructions for their test plans. 02:00 dcook Does the trick anyway 02:00 dcook Seems to me that it could be done a bit more elegantly although I'm not sure if that's relying on MySQLism or not *shrug* 01:58 dcook Well said, eythian ;) 01:58 dcook hehe 01:58 eythian basically, I'd say if it's the best way to do whatever it's trying to do, then it's fine. If it's not, then it's not :) 01:58 eythian don't know. 01:57 dcook Could use "DROP TEMPORARY TABLE" instead of "DROP TABLE" but I'm not sure how cross-database that is 01:56 dcook Yep 01:56 eythian if so, I have less issue with it than if it was creating a real one. 01:56 eythian dcook: is it actually using "create temporary table"? 01:53 dcook Creating a temporary table then dropping it? 01:53 dcook What are folks thoughts on clone-rules.pl? 01:06 tcohen night #koha 00:47 tcohen there's an option, that it is not documented to control that 00:47 tcohen [off] facets, didn't find a way to control how many facets are retrieved, looks like it is hardcoded at 20 00:41 mtompset [off] Since you just popped back in why were you cursing indexdata? Because of Zebra, ICU, and facets? 00:41 tcohen hi mtompset 00:40 mtompset Greetings, tcohen 00:33 eythian probably 00:32 mtompset [off] And why was tcohen cursing indexdata? Because of Zebra, ICU, and facets? 00:30 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-File-MiJ-0.04/lib/MARC/Record/MiJ.pm 00:30 mtompset "MiJ is faster than Marcxml" -- What was jcamins talking about? 00:28 eythian It means "me" in Dutch. 00:27 mtompset ^Why^What^ 00:27 mtompset Why is MiJ? 00:10 wizzyrea hahaha it throws confetti when the build works. That's awesome 00:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update images for opac patron record 00:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron holds info in opac 00:06 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update local cover images info 00:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #464: FIXED in 2 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/464/ 00:06 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 00:06 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 00:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #464 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #457 1 day 10 hr ago)