Time Nick Message
23:30 * eythian -> lunch now though
23:29 eythian s/them/debconf/
23:28 eythian Oh, there are some minor issues with the messages about translations too, they should go to stderr, not stdout as stdout is for communication with debconf and there's a risk of them getting confused.
23:28 eythian maybe let gmcharlt or Martin have a look and see if they can QA.
23:27 eythian heh
23:26 tcohen perlish syntax on bash :-D
23:25 tcohen two typos only
23:25 eythian colour me surprised.
23:25 eythian tcohen: the debconf one? it worked?
23:23 * tcohen feels marking it Passed-QA would be a bit "endogamic"
23:22 tcohen eythian: i've just tested your last patch for 10942, marked SO
23:07 wajasu oh
23:07 eythian It's not in the MARC in biblioitems, it's recreated when needed from the items table.
23:05 wajasu i know GetMarcBiblio also got items embedded, so I'l like to get_fields for the itemtag, but don't see any such thing in MARC:Record. i guess I'll just query the DB.
23:01 wahanui If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me.
23:01 cait good night
23:01 magnuse_ have fun #koha!
22:56 * dcook will never understand
22:56 dcook huh
22:55 wizzyrea ...
22:50 gmcharlt ... not in 45 seconds we can't
22:48 pablito can someone give me a quick intro to OAI in Koha?
22:47 pablito hi all
22:46 wizzyrea lol.
22:46 irma g'day chrisvella94_
22:46 wahanui hmmm... everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
22:46 chrisvella94_ Hey everyone
22:46 eythian thd: plack
22:46 thd eythian: Was it Zebra or Plack which you were distinguishing for difficulties with multiple hosts on a single server?
22:46 irma g'day chrisvella94
22:43 eythian thd: you'll have to re-quote the sentence in question.
22:42 thd eythian: I never understood which "it" was which from earlier.
22:42 eythian I set it up on one of our servers (it was using a bit much ram on my desktop.)
22:41 eythian yeah
22:40 wajasu i am thinking i can eventually do testing with ES running on my HOST OS, and the koha debian VM talking to it.
22:37 wajasu ok.
22:37 eythian wajasu: if you're interested in having a look at the ES stuff: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/elastic_search
22:34 wajasu ok. thats what i thought
22:34 gmcharlt wajasu: definitely worth it to do it for 3.14
22:34 wajasu rangi: is it worth regenerating the schema,koha-community.org or wait until a later release, since its from last august.
22:32 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_meeting__12_march_2014__part_2.2014-03-12-21.25.log.html
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22:32 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/dev_meeting__12_march_2014__part_2.2014-03-12-21.25.html
22:32 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 12 22:32:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
22:32 gmcharlt #endmeeting
22:32 gmcharlt ok, thanks everybody
22:31 gmcharlt any other topics (briefly?)
22:31 wizzyrea :)
22:30 magnuse ok, i'll shut up now
22:30 magnuse lol
22:29 rangi i have plenty of those
22:29 rangi plus it was a dumb idea then too
22:28 wizzyrea and it's just a button, "report in"
22:28 rangi a button that takes you off to a form to fill in somewhere
22:28 wizzyrea it doesn't continuously collect data
22:28 rangi yep totally different thing
22:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6293 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Add a button to the intranet for registering with the Koha community
22:27 magnuse rangi: remember bug 6293? ;-)
22:27 rangi naw i dont think i will
22:26 magnuse :-)
22:26 magnuse cool, add your thoughts to the bug or the wiki page folks!
22:26 magnuse um, a plugin woul hardly increase use?
22:26 rangi and that
22:26 eythian it seems that it would be better emailing, properly configured servers shouldn't be allowing port 80 access to the outside world anyway.
22:25 wizzyrea ^^
22:25 rangi this feels like something that should be a plugin
22:25 magnuse for the same reason they register on the wiki or in web-lib-cats?
22:25 mtompset Perhaps something in the about?
22:25 magnuse and an option to shar anonymously
22:25 rangi or even know too?
22:25 rangi so why would someone go turn it on?
22:25 * mtompset agrees with rangi. "Off by default."
22:25 magnuse yup, of course
22:24 rangi but it has to be off by default
22:24 magnuse also the versions that are in use
22:24 magnuse it was also a goal to report on the setting of some sysprefs, to be able to tell how koha is used, if there are features that no-one uses etc
22:23 magnuse to be able to know how many libraries use koha, and their sizes
22:23 magnuse that's what it is
22:23 magnuse if sharing is enabled, every month koha will push data to the dancer app
22:22 wizzyrea something like "a central repository for anonymous worldwide koha usage" would be nice, if that's what it is.
22:22 magnuse so, there will be a syspref: do not share data/share data/share data anonymously
22:21 wizzyrea I'm pretty baffled too, tbh.
22:21 wizzyrea ^^
22:21 eythian it doesn't if you have no context.
22:21 magnuse the wiki page does sum it up ,i think
22:21 * gmcharlt agrees with eythian that more detail would be nice
22:18 * magnuse has not been involved in the work, but heard a prsentation from the people who have this afternoon
22:17 magnuse eythian: the idea is to enable koha to report stats to the dancer app, like number of records/items, settings for some interesting sysprefs etc
22:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add course reserves to staff client home page
22:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , set overlay and import status translatable in addorderiso2709.tt
22:16 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10415 - Add course reserves to staff client home page
22:16 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11845 - set overlay and import status translatable in addorderiso2709.tt
22:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1662: SUCCESS in 1 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1662/
22:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Render community koha statistic usages
22:16 wajasu should the schema get regenerated?
22:16 mtompset Isn't just a matter of putting some js in a system preference to use it?
22:16 eythian can someone who really knows what it is put a description on bug 11926 and the wiki page? It doesn't actually say much about what it is going to do/be.
22:15 rangi and a couple of other koha
22:15 magnuse rangi: ah, kewl
22:15 rangi koha-community.org has been using it for years
22:15 magnuse there is now a basic dancer app to collect data: https://github.com/clrh/hea-app
22:15 rangi http://piwik.koha-community.org/
22:14 rangi plus its already been done
22:14 magnuse yeah, paul_p talked about having one central piwik install that any koh site could use, but i *think* it was abandoned, because it would be too much data
22:13 * mtompset goes hunting for the email.
22:12 mtompset wasn't there discussion of piwik or something on the devel list a while back?
22:12 wajasu no. I'm just all in that search code and understand many issues now.
22:11 eythian ah, that's a different thing, ignore me
22:11 eythian I want to have realtime stats pushed to logstash one day
22:11 magnuse we might try to have it signed off and qa'ed before the end of the week...
22:11 eythian ohh
22:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Render community koha statistic usages
22:10 magnuse in other news, look out for bug 11926
22:10 wahanui gmcharlt: I forgot anything else
22:10 gmcharlt wajasu: forget anything else
22:10 wahanui anything else is a guess
22:10 gmcharlt anything else?
22:10 gmcharlt eythian++ # thanks for the update
22:09 eythian yup, that too
22:09 magnuse and zebra should remain as an option as long as there is no z39.50/SRU based on ES, methinks.
22:09 eythian (I don't expect ES to be a requirement any time in the near future anyway though.)
22:09 eythian So, you would have your ES servers and point to them from Koha.
22:08 eythian a production ES installation requires a minimum of 3 servers in a cluster for data integrity.
22:08 eythian you shouldn't run ES on the same server you're running koha.
22:08 wajasu that is a java/lucene based index engine. so would that be something we would begin to require java jvm, or would it be optional
22:06 eythian testing is probably a bit of a strong word at the moment, but you're welcome to have a poke at it.
22:06 wajasu jcamins said i might start testing that stuff.
22:05 magnuse yay for progress
22:05 eythian it works, but it can't yet do anything particularly advanced.
22:05 eythian elastic search integration is making progress
22:04 gmcharlt any new items folks want to discuss?
22:03 gmcharlt #agreed http://paste.koha-community.org/160 is accepted as a new coding gudeline
22:03 gmcharlt #agreed http://paste.koha-community.org/158 is accepted as a QA guideline
22:00 eythian though it is the biggest single performance killer :)
22:00 eythian fair enough.
22:00 gmcharlt I am not disagreeing that a useful strategy would be to reduce the number of queries made, through various means, but I do not see it as a primary thing that we're trying to reduce or conseve
22:00 eythian and the heading is "Performance" :)
22:00 eythian well, it's specifically a performance issue.
21:59 gmcharlt eythian: we don't get billed for database accesses, just time, as it were
21:59 wajasu N+1 select problem
21:59 eythian http://debian.koha-community.org/~robin/opac-search/ <-- mtompset
21:58 mtompset 1718?!
21:58 eythian (for example)
21:58 eythian gmcharlt: the issue being that currently an opac-search causes 1,718 database hits, which starts to be counted in actual seconds.
21:56 gmcharlt mtompset: yep, there was general agreement that some sort of automated performance testing would be a nice thing to set up
21:56 eythian gmcharlt: I'd put in the same bucket as bandwidth, storage, and memory.
21:56 gmcharlt eythian: I don't think database access per se needs to be optimized for -- sure, a lot of the time a good way to avoid latency is to avoid reading from the database when you can read from a faster cache, but that strikes me as an implementation detail, not a matter for a broad guideline
21:56 mtompset I know in the first meeting there were talks of profiling and perhaps even having some process flag things that generate a 5% slow down.
21:54 gmcharlt thd: -1 to that amendment -- the text as written is loose enough to cover that possiblity, but I don't think it wise to open the door to either "turn this system preference on to make your Koha catalog slow" or "let's syspref away a bad initial implementation of a feature"
21:52 eythian I'd also like to include database accesses in the coding guidelines, that's where a _large_ proportion of time is spent at the moment.
21:51 thd Perhaps the policy should acknowledge the possibility that some possible useful features would intrinsically degrade performance and thus may be required to have a system preference to enable or disable them.
21:51 gmcharlt thd: yes?
21:50 magnuse qam in da house!
21:49 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
21:49 wizzyrea +1 - we should definitely pay close attention to performance in circ.
21:49 thd I would like to suggest an amendment.
21:49 wahanui meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
21:49 cait oh meeting time?
21:48 cait we had couscous and tajine? tonight
21:48 mtompset I voted last time, don't want to double vote. :)
21:48 rangi +1
21:48 cait the others are still out
21:48 cait :)
21:48 * magnuse waves to cait
21:47 eythian That seems reasonable. We do have some bad database latency issues as it is, it'd be good to not have any more.
21:47 gmcharlt feedback? objections? +1s?
21:45 gmcharlt second, for an addition to the coding guidelines, http://paste.koha-community.org/160
21:45 gmcharlt first, for QA policy - http://paste.koha-community.org/158
21:45 gmcharlt two proposals were made at the first part for policies
21:45 gmcharlt #info Question: Should performance be an issue during the QA process?
21:44 gmcharlt #topic Performance and QA
21:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
21:44 magnuse but that should not stop us from testing things with plack, using the stuff from bug 7844
21:44 gmcharlt moving on
21:44 gmcharlt OK, great
21:44 eythian and once I did some benchmarking and tuning, making sure it can't run out of ram due to leaks, it's been handling load marvelously.
21:43 * magnuse looks quizzically at the "o" key on his keyboard
21:43 eythian the instance we have running it has its own server for unrelated reasons.
21:43 magnuse (in productin)
21:43 eythian yup
21:43 magnuse eythian: sounds like a problem that needs to be solved before we see widespread adoption of plack among vendors...
21:39 thd eythian: Yes, multiple hosts per server with an ambiguous 'it'.
21:38 eythian (that is how apache works, fwiw)
21:38 magnuse eythian: sounds like a good thing to have, yes
21:38 eythian this may be possible using a different thing than starman.
21:38 eythian magnuse: if I were to fix it, I'd fix it in plack: allowing it to say "keep 3 around, but go up to 10 if needed and then back down to 3 when thigns are quiet."
21:38 jcamins Just as a comment for anyone who isn't familiar with that part of the code, if C4::Context's context switching were to be resurrected and finetuned, Plack could probably run multiple instances from one process, but you'd lose the user separation, which would be bad.
21:37 eythian you meant that one?
21:37 eythian thd: *So, if you have 5 hosts on one server
21:36 eythian magnuse: mostly neither
21:36 thd eythian: is the it to which you are referring Plack or Zebra?
21:36 magnuse eythian: is that a problem with plack or with koha?
21:36 * mtompset mutters something about version numbers. ;)
21:36 eythian (because each site has its own plack instance in order to do UID separation properly.)
21:35 magnuse eythian: ah, thanks
21:35 magnuse mtompset: no set schedule - it will be ready for production when we think there are no more evil bugs lurking
21:35 eythian so if one site gets busy, there's a whole lot of wasted memory you can't use.
21:35 eythian So, if you have 5 hosts on it, you use 5 times the RAM as when you have one, even when idle
21:34 eythian magnuse: the current plack system pre-allocates everything, and doesn't "bubble".
21:34 mtompset out of curiousity... if it does get into 3.16 experimentally... does that mean the next release it could go production, or will there be more time than that?
21:34 eythian magnuse: memory
21:34 wajasu i will attempt to signoff 7844 tonight if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
21:34 magnuse eythian: wht resurces would yu want to pool?
21:33 eythian We're hoping to look into the staff client side some time soon.
21:33 * magnuse thinks that is an excellent plan
21:33 eythian yeah, there's no reason that won't work pretty well on the OPAC side.
21:33 gmcharlt my goal is mostly to have Plack be reasonably functional enough for dev installations that more devs will actually use it that way
21:33 * magnuse hands eythian a bunch of rund tuits
21:32 gmcharlt OK, well that keeps in the realm of experimental
21:32 wizzyrea even two seems dodgy.
21:32 eythian Solutions to this are possible, I just haven't had a chance to look.
21:32 eythian Though, there is a bigger issue when it comes to having many sites on one server using it: that won't work very well atm, as there's no ability to pool resources between them.
21:32 rangi OPAC only
21:32 rangi (which is what happens under cgi anyway)
21:32 gmcharlt OPAC-only or with staff as well
21:32 rangi yeah issues have gone now we have switched to just making a z3950 connection per search and not trying to reuse it
21:31 eythian We have one site in production with plack, minor issues have shown up, but nothing world-ending.
21:31 gmcharlt comments, particularly from Catalyst?
21:31 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT
21:31 gmcharlt I, hopefully notfoolheartedly, announced in-core Plack configs for both intranet and OPAC as a goal for the 3.16 release
21:30 gmcharlt some stuff I know folks are aware of and have patches for are the Zebra reconnection issues
21:30 gmcharlt and I believe dpavlin and ashimema will be trying to organize a consolidation of the various threads of Plack support
21:29 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
21:29 gmcharlt at the first part there was some discussion about work on Plack at the hackfest
21:29 gmcharlt #topic Performance - Plack
21:28 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
21:27 gmcharlt #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_dev_meeting__12_march_2014_part1.html Minutes of first part of meeting
21:26 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM
21:26 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014 Agenda
21:26 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
21:25 mtompset Don't mention the bonus cheese for those who attend both. ;)
21:25 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Oslo Public Library
21:25 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
21:25 magnuse yeah, the first meeting was the best ever - with lots of cheese in it ;-)
21:25 rangi #info Chris Cormack
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21:24 mtompset No problem. you were probably debugging and pushing things. :)
21:24 wajasu that was a good 1st meeting
21:24 gmcharlt sorry
21:24 gmcharlt shoot
21:23 mtompset 23 minutes late?
21:23 * gmcharlt checks watch
21:23 * magnuse thought gmcharlt did
21:21 mtompset So, who is chairing meeting 2? It hasn't really started.
21:21 magnuse is the meeting over already? or did i mess up the time?
21:20 mtompset Greetings, eythian. :)
21:20 eythian hi
21:20 magnuse hiya mtompset
21:19 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. :)
21:14 francharb bye #koha
21:13 thd rangi: Would you have any special tricks for creating a hash of hashes in a loop while using use strict?
21:07 rangi i dont really have anything to add tho
21:02 rangi now ish
21:01 mtompset when was round 2 supposed to be?
20:27 wajasu i'll confirm the other routes are there
20:26 mtompset wajasu: Perhaps it isn't hidden to them based on the PatronEveryBranch or PatronSingleBranch system preferences?
20:25 wajasu the user logged in being the one who lost the item
20:25 wajasu your all hidden some lost case: is it okay to hide the biblio in OPAC? what if the user logged in searches. would we need to show that in search? or would they get to the details another way?
20:23 mtompset themaybe is what the system preference needs to help define. :)
20:22 mtompset the maybe being that strange all items being covered by lost items and hidden items together.
20:21 mtompset I would expect: hide (biblio), hide, hide, show, maybe, show, depends on hidelost, show, show, depends on hidelost.
20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1662 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:19 mtompset messed up on a none vs all. :)
20:19 mtompset all hidden none lost, all hidden some lost, all hidden all lost, some hidden none lost, some hidden some lost all items, some hidden some lost not all items, some hidden all lost, none hidden none lost, none hidden some lost, none hidden all lost
20:18 mtompset Oops... was there a duplicate in that list... let's check...
20:17 wajasu that clears things up tremendously :)
20:17 mtompset all hidden none lost, all hidden some lost, all hidden all lost, some hidden none lost, some hidden some lost all items, some hidden some lost not all items, some hidden none lost, none hidden none lost, none hidden some lost, none hidden all lost
20:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Cannot add new libraries to the transport cost if previously used.
20:16 mtompset Yes, but when talking about hiding or showing the biblio, you need to flavour the answer.
20:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11861 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add ISSN column in serials claims table
20:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11718 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in reports templates
20:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6869 normal, P3, ---, fcapovilla, CLOSED FIXED, Batch item modification fails if accented characters are used in the modification form.
20:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11493 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Batch Item Modification not handling unicode characters
20:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11760 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , In notices, code of road type is used instead of descritpion
20:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11459 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , [Signed-Off] OrderPdfFormat pref description could be more verbose
20:15 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11531: make it possible to edit transport cost for a new libraries
20:15 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11861: Add ISSN column in serials claims table
20:15 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11718 - Use new DataTables include in reports templates
20:15 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11493: Revert "Bug 6869 Batch item modification fails whit accented characters"
20:15 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 11760: In notices, output road type description rather than code
20:15 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11459: use drop-down to set OrderPdfFormat syspref
20:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1661: SUCCESS in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1661/
20:15 wajasu i got rid of that overlap in the patch from the other night i believe
20:14 mtompset the problem is the overlap between hidden and lost.
20:14 mtompset lost items, wajasu.
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10415 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add course reserves to staff client home page
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , set overlay and import status translatable in addorderiso2709.tt
20:02 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10415 - Add course reserves to staff client home page
20:02 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11845 - set overlay and import status translatable in addorderiso2709.tt
20:02 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #386: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/386/
20:00 wajasu i will add a syspref to 'show biblio when all items hidden' for those libraries that wish that.
19:58 wajasu let me look
19:57 mtompset Did you see gmcharlt's follow up comment?
19:57 wajasu i am working on the tweak now.
19:57 wajasu since itemlost wants to show biblios when all items are lost.
19:57 mtompset did you put up your tweak then?
19:56 wajasu i took care of item_lost in that patch we were testing the other night.
19:56 wajasu hidden items. thats why i chose 'h' for now. but will put it in mappings.
19:55 mtompset and 999$h will be related to how to hide the biblio based on lost and/or hidden items?
19:54 wajasu yes.
19:54 mtompset wajasu: So you are differentiating between 942$n and 999$h in that both hide, but the reasoning is different?
19:53 wajasu since getRecords builds facets and its too messy to try to move facet building after searchResults.
19:52 wajasu so the biblios don't show up with all items hidden.
19:51 wajasu i only set it if all items are hidden
19:51 wajasu no. its a flag to hide the biblio. i really use the mapping and will have biblio.visible or such later.
19:50 mtompset ^while^will^
19:50 mtompset So, while 999 be repeated for each 952?
19:50 wajasu then the build facets code just does a 'next' to skip if it sees that in the opac. then the facet counters will be ok.
19:49 wajasu a 999h=1 for hidden.
19:48 wajasu i'm adding to the exported MARCXML just for the export index
19:48 mtompset Unless you are ADDing to the MARCXML to note which are hidden and which are not.
19:47 mtompset You need everything indexed.
19:47 mtompset wajasu: Why would you want to hide anything in the MARC XML?
19:45 wajasu rebuild_zebra uses it.
19:45 mtompset wajasu: What led you to this function?
19:41 mtompset wajasu: looking....
19:37 gmcharlt mtompset: I've fixed the link
19:37 wajasu probably need perl scope related help ^^
19:36 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "hiddenitems patch work in progress 1" (34 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164
19:35 mtompset (trying to click on any links)
19:34 mtompset gmcharlt: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/log.log.html#l-204 -- Internal Server Error?
19:21 rangi ahhh
19:21 gmcharlt as I hadn't started the meeting properly for meetboot
19:21 gmcharlt had to figure out how to generate them
19:21 rangi ah yep, thats easier to read
19:20 gmcharlt http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_dev_meeting__12_march_2014_part1.html
19:20 gmcharlt ah, even better
19:14 rangi ta
19:13 gmcharlt rangi: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/koha_dev_meeting__12_march_2014_part1.log.txt
19:12 rangi cool
19:11 gmcharlt yep
19:09 rangi we have another meeting in a couple of hours eh?
19:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #386 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Cannot add new libraries to the transport cost if previously used.
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11861 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add ISSN column in serials claims table
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11718 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in reports templates
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6869 normal, P3, ---, fcapovilla, CLOSED FIXED, Batch item modification fails if accented characters are used in the modification form.
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11493 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Batch Item Modification not handling unicode characters
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11760 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , In notices, code of road type is used instead of descritpion
19:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11531: make it possible to edit transport cost for a new libraries
19:03 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 11861: Add ISSN column in serials claims table
19:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11718 - Use new DataTables include in reports templates
19:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11459 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , [Signed-Off] OrderPdfFormat pref description could be more verbose
19:03 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11493: Revert "Bug 6869 Batch item modification fails whit accented characters"
19:03 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 11760: In notices, output road type description rather than code
19:03 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11459: use drop-down to set OrderPdfFormat syspref
19:03 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #385: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/385/
18:57 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is 2.5°C (2:57 PM EDT on March 12, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until midnight EDT tonight...
18:57 oleonard @wunder 45701
18:53 mtompset That explains the blowing snow falling outside my window. YUCK!
18:53 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -8.0°C (2:52 PM EDT on March 12, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
18:52 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5
18:42 tcohen hi mtompset
18:41 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. :)
18:37 Sean-CCLSD Hi all
18:31 pianohacker I think I have enough for a reasonable first prototypes, I can find xargs sed -i the name of tables later
18:31 pianohacker gmcharlt: makes sense
18:30 gmcharlt and a "run scheduled reports" task would general want to be part of a job with hourly or even minutely periodicity
18:30 pianohacker right right
18:30 gmcharlt not that doing so would be the worst thing in the world
18:30 gmcharlt the point of such a task is to avoid writting a separate cronjob or daemon just to run reports
18:29 gmcharlt right - nothign says that the "run scheduled reports" task couldn't chck a separate reports schedule queue
18:29 pianohacker they take different kind of parameters
18:29 * oleonard hear's pianohacker's new French accent coming out
18:29 pianohacker gmcharlt: Yes, but ze reports to be run should be scheduled seperately
18:29 * tcohen thinks cait is at least in the hackfest :-(
18:29 gmcharlt pianohacker: jcamins: right, hence [09:52:41] <gmcharlt> one of the tasks could be "run scheduled reports"
18:28 * oleonard wishes he could come!
18:28 cait already 19:30 around here...
18:28 cait we are going to find some dinner now
18:28 cait ans sorry for the caps - tired typing fingers
18:28 cait so you can't come in now and say i mssed up there :)
18:28 cait i paassed it and it'S PUSHED
18:28 cait oleonard: i think so
18:28 jcamins And presumably your proposal is intended to work.
18:27 jcamins pianohacker: if it were possible to schedule cron jobs, it would be possible to schedule a cron job that ran a report.
18:27 oleonard cait: Is it working correctly?
18:26 pianohacker (right?)
18:26 pianohacker jcamins: Uh, not intentionally, that was more for scheduled reports and such rather than cronjobs?
18:24 gmcharlt as it doesn't express the concept that a job consists of one or more whazzits
18:24 gmcharlt I'm not opposed to a better name, but job_type isn't it
18:24 gmcharlt pianohacker: 2 - what jcamins said
18:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10415 - Add course reserves to staff client home page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a9cdcd3bcce07ace793b9b2a6ad31f4604961a2> / Bug 11845 - set overlay and import status translatable in addorderiso2709.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20d0aff0e88544cdddfb4a6b90fc73ed652c84bd>
18:23 gmcharlt pianohacker: to accoutn for the possiblity of wanting to disable a give task in the stock jobs across teh board -- however, I'd accept an argument taht task.active is superflous
18:23 jcamins pianohacker: aren't you replacing the task scheduler?
18:23 pianohacker job_type rather than task, say?
18:22 pianohacker And shouldn't we be careful with terminology to avoid confusing with the task scheduler?
18:22 pianohacker gmcharlt: that seems reasonable enough, you think we're safe from that table getting too complicated? Also, why active specified per task and not per job?
18:20 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for pianohacker - rev 3 - add default_value and mandatory to task_parameters; get rid of JSON" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/163
18:19 pianohacker sorry, I'm pulling a dcook and thinking out loud
18:19 pianohacker hmm, no, those could probably be rolled into one column
18:19 pianohacker well, to account for the many possible variations of parameters
18:18 gmcharlt er, how is "INSERT INTO task_parameters (task_parameter_code, task_code...)" is complicated?
18:17 pianohacker yes, and at least somewhat against the separate table
18:17 gmcharlt well, that argues against the JSON
18:16 pianohacker *add a new option or change its properties
18:16 pianohacker gmcharlt: yes, but if you need to update a particular option or change its value, you'll need to put a big, duplicated blob'o'json in updatedatabase.pl or have a rather verbose sql statement
18:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1661 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:09 cait can't change anything - so it's only displaying like in the opac
18:09 gmcharlt however, I don't think it's necessarily /logically/ different from what would happen if one radically changed an existing cronjob
18:09 cait i think i figured it out
18:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #385 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:08 gmcharlt but that would be where our general policy of not breaking existing functionality would come into play
18:08 gmcharlt but I could certainly see a case where a new mandatory parameter gets established for a task
18:08 cait my user only has the staff access permission and nothing else right now
18:08 gmcharlt as far as broken-out tables, arranging FKs for cascading updates can help
18:08 cait oleonard: should i be able to access course reserves without having permissions to it?
18:07 gmcharlt pianohacker: that's one of the reasons for not permitting users to create tasks directly
18:07 pianohacker if it's a JSON blob, you have to respecify the entire blob each time you update it, and if it's a broken-out table, updates get a little tricky
18:07 pianohacker gmcharlt: in discussion with other developers, I've realized that having the definitions of each job and its options in the database raises some tricky problems with updates
18:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11531: make it possible to edit transport cost for a new libraries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4edcec3d5812b159b7012c43a04577bfd7e462bc> / Bug 11861: Add ISSN column in serials claims table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65b62137fcd9101abadb79ca521281854b0ed055> / Bug 11718 - Use new DataTables include in reports templates <http://git.koha-community.
18:00 bag could be - best of luck kyle
18:00 tcohen !!
18:00 cait hackfest baby!
18:00 gmcharlt great!
18:00 bag so it maybe baby time soon
18:00 cait !!
18:00 bag ah gmcharlt kyle has run to the hospital with his wife
17:59 cait gmcharlt: probably safe to assume in tha tcase
17:57 gmcharlt though I assume the patch was written by khall
17:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Cannot add new libraries to the transport cost if previously used.
17:57 gmcharlt bag: khall_away: I'd the name of a specific staff person for the commit for bug 11531, please
17:56 reiveune bye
17:50 pianohacker fair enough
17:49 gmcharlt pianohacker: I mildly prefer a separate table, but I suggest that you make an inventory of the task parameters in use first before committing
17:48 jcamins A 1962 bibliography of books about film.
17:48 jcamins And it's out of paper. I hate you, microfilm.
17:48 pianohacker jcamins: what in the seven hells are you reading?
17:48 pianohacker gmcharlt: do you have a particular preference between a JSON blob and separate rows? The former is a bit quirky but seems simpler to implement/update
17:47 jcamins No problem! It's only a 180-page book!
17:47 jcamins The reel is too short.
17:46 jcamins And I get to manually advance the roll, too.
17:46 * jcamins too.
17:46 pianohacker sorry to hear that
17:46 pianohacker ouch...
17:46 jcamins Unfortunately, it's the microfilm here.
17:45 jcamins Thankfully it's one in New York.
17:45 jcamins Only one on the East Coast.
17:45 jcamins pianohacker: the book I want is available at four libraries in the US.
17:44 pianohacker why do you have to deal with it?
17:44 jcamins pianohacker: it's awful.
17:40 nengard No prob! Some of it is old, but hopefully it helps with whatever you're trying to do
17:39 paul_p thanks nengard !
17:39 tcohen has anyone experienced fatal error on searching if the order is other than relevance?
17:39 pianohacker but in all seriousness... microfilm?
17:38 pianohacker line 2: incompatible implicit declaration of builtin variable `Microfilm'
17:37 jcamins while (1) { microfilm--; }
17:37 jcamins Microfilm--
17:33 pianohacker as martin and my suggestion to make everyone just speak english and have names within ASCII doesn't seem to be going through
17:32 pianohacker translation is probably the ultimate example of "if it's stupid but it works it ain't stupid"
17:32 nengard there you are
17:32 nengard :)
17:31 paul_p hello nengard !
17:31 druthb (they work; we're 100% on 19 languages or more…but they're strange.
17:31 pianohacker and you have an up on webmin, they have no bovine administration procedures ;)
17:31 druthb probably. We have some pretty squirrely translation tools, even weirder than Koha's
17:30 pianohacker written by a perler I'm guessing?
17:30 pianohacker oy vey that translation syntax
17:30 druthb cow=I had ~[_1#number of cows~] cows in the morning and ~[_2#number of night cows~] at night.
17:30 druthb # grep 'cow=' /usr/local/cpanel/base/frontend/x3/lang/english-utf8
17:30 pianohacker druthb: dare I ask for a pastebin?
17:29 druthb no, pianohacker, something I found in the cPanel language-translation files.
17:28 pianohacker ashimema: http://docs.activestate.com/komodo/4.4/debugperl.html
17:28 pianohacker ashimema: https://github.com/joonty/vdebug
17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
17:25 pianohacker druthb: you talking about the bug 11573 patch?
17:23 talljoy back
17:22 nengard hiya
17:21 tcohen hi mtompset nengard
17:18 mtompset Right, Joubu and mathieu saby were going to figure out where and why and how. :)
17:17 nengard but then I remembered
17:17 nengard at first i was going to say 'no i forgot ...'
17:16 nengard no worries we all have a lot to remember
17:16 nengard hehe
17:16 mtompset Oh my... I'm going senile!
17:16 nengard didn't hear back after that to try again
17:16 nengard yes, remember i couldn't apply the patch
17:15 mtompset nengard: Did you get a chance to look at the bug I asked you about yesterday?
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client place hold screen if record has no items
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11821 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Staff client catalog: delete menu items greyed out without explanation
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11833 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Filtering on saved report subgroup doesn't work
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Pushed to Master , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11820 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , dead code in basketgroup.pl : "add" operation is never invoked without a booksellerid
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11686 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "please note your reason here..." does not get translated
17:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11832: fix JavaScript error on staff client place hold screen if record has no items
17:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11821: disable catalog edit menu items and provide explanations when actions cannot be done
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11648 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use word item instead of copy
17:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11833 - fix filtering on saved report subgroup
17:13 jenkins_koha * Isaac Brodsky: Bug 1047: Punctuation in site names no longer breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11550 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a couple of unit tests for C4::Acq::GetOrder
17:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11820: remove dead code in basket group management
17:13 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11686: make "please note your reason here..." translatable
17:13 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - opac prog
17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10012 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , Remove all traces of NoZebraIndexes
17:13 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - opac bootstrap
17:13 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - intranet
17:13 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11550: Add UT for C4::Acquisition::GetOrder
17:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10012: DBRev 3.15.00.024
17:13 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10012: remove last traces of NoZebra
17:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1660: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1660/
17:12 mtompset gmcharlt: Well, perhaps the screen, not necessarily the table.
17:12 druthb I used to think I'd seen some peculiar things in the Koha codebase. Now I've seen it all.
17:11 * druthb snaps
17:11 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:11 druthb druthb?
17:09 gmcharlt mtompset: circ rules really sounds like the wrong place to put catalog visiblity settings
17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
17:09 wajasu can someone fine savy look at the bug 11573 patch, it basically makes us derive a consistent description for "account" and "pay fines" tabs from the other fields.
17:07 mtompset His idea was to supercede OpacHiddenItems and hence my sysprefs by moving the hiding capability into circulation rules.
17:06 mtompset wajasu: Oh, the hiding stuff also reminds me of a conversation I had with papa.
17:06 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
17:06 bag bag?
17:05 pianohacker I think you have the wrong person
17:05 pianohacker exciteable and verbose?
17:05 * pianohacker ?
17:05 mtompset where is update_zebra_conf?
17:05 gmcharlt pianohacker: speak up, I can't quite hear you ;)
17:04 pianohacker so so nice
17:04 pianohacker update_zebra_conf+++++++++++
17:04 pianohacker oh god, yes
17:04 pianohacker gmcharlt: I'm thinking of making a Koha::Job class eventually that will allow for reporting progress/error information in a structured way, but that'll be later :)
17:04 gmcharlt bag: a make update_zebra_conf after rerunnign Makefile.PL should do it
17:04 mtompset Wasn't someone working on a koha-conf.xml comparing tool?
17:04 bag grs1 to dom*
17:04 bag hey gmcharlt if we are switching from grs1 to dev (and yes this is on a dev machine) is it fine to just change koha-conf - or best to just redo the make install
17:03 pianohacker gmcharlt: 502 bad gateway :)
17:03 gmcharlt of course, Plack+Nginx would defeat that dastardly scheme
17:02 mtompset YES! I knew there was a way to do it, gmcharlt.
17:02 * mtompset laughs.
17:02 wajasu i'm writing a patch for some of that now. collaborating with mtompset. of course he showed me lots of other bugs last night i read over.
17:02 gmcharlt /etc/init.d/apache stop # hey look, a perfectly suppressed OPAC! ;)
17:00 pianohacker friggin' opacsuppression and all of its bugs and confusing behavior
17:00 * mtompset cackles evilly, "You will be traumatized by hiding records too!"
17:00 pianohacker oh god I missed that
16:59 mtompset What? No props for wajasu getting the OPAC Suppression reference? ;)
16:58 pianohacker Okay, mtompset has filled a row on the Geeky Joke bingo card, we can all go home now
16:58 pianohacker I think a structured ui for nightly cronjobs could help reduce that greatly
16:57 mtompset pianohacker: Actually, you probably had to Mark Breaker the MRC stick to transform it into a MRK stick. ;)
16:57 pianohacker We spend a lot of time at ByWater dealing with frustration and confusion from our customers related to being middlemen between them and the fines/longoverdue/notices cronjobs
16:56 * wajasu supresses
16:56 * pianohacker hits mtompset with the MARC stick
16:56 * mtompset perks up. "Did someone say MARC? 942$n! ;)"
16:55 gmcharlt you're welcome
16:54 pianohacker gmcharlt: Thanks very much for your input, I like the schema you've come up with
16:53 pianohacker (for specifying which reports to run and when)
16:53 pianohacker makes sense :) Would still warrant a separate config screen and structure
16:52 gmcharlt one of the tasks could be "run scheduled reports"
16:52 gmcharlt or to get out of the double-negative trap
16:52 gmcharlt *couldn't be
16:52 gmcharlt but that's not to say that one of the tasks could be "run all scheuled reports"
16:52 pianohacker yup
16:52 gmcharlt wajasu: pianohacker: in my paste, the job table is pretty much implicitly a /recurring/ job
16:49 pianohacker not often a bug in the 1000s gets saved
16:49 pianohacker wajasu: I'm glad that's finally getting resurrected, actually, because it takes away one thing I thought I'd have to implement!
16:49 wajasu ok
16:48 pianohacker wajasu: I'd say that covers related but separate functionality
16:48 pianohacker ah, kk.
16:48 gmcharlt not really necessary
16:48 gmcharlt hmm...
16:47 pianohacker gmcharlt: I like that quite a lot. One question, what is the sequence column in task_parameters for?
16:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 major, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
16:47 wajasu bug 1993 :)
16:47 gmcharlt etc.
16:47 gmcharlt cron.hourly run-koha-jobs --periodicity houlry
16:47 gmcharlt so cron.daily would be something like run-koha-jobs --periodcity daily
16:47 pianohacker wajasu: scheduler rewrite?
16:46 gmcharlt right
16:46 pianohacker in fact, my plan was to limit this to only-nightly jobs, at least at first
16:46 wajasu pianohacker: wouldn't a DB driven set of cronjobs be something to be done under the scheduler rewrite?
16:46 pianohacker gmcharlt: I agree with that, and your comment on reinventing cron
16:45 gmcharlt I think it might be better if job_task_options => job_schedule_task_options
16:45 gmcharlt pianohacker: hmm
16:44 druthb hi, pianohacker. :)
16:44 pianohacker gmcharlt: just a very straightforward discussion? :)
16:44 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for pianohacker -- rev 2" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/162
16:44 gmcharlt pianohacker: I don't see an argument going on here
16:44 pianohacker hi druthb
16:44 * pianohacker blinks
16:44 druthb “Through three cheese trees three free fleas flew. While these fleas flew, freezy breeze blew. Freezy breeze made these three trees freeze. Freezy trees made these trees' cheese freeze. That's what made these three free fleas sneeze.â€
16:44 pianohacker We're not talking about MARC or the livecd, so we're not at each others' throats at least
16:43 pianohacker gmcharlt: thanks. I hope I'm not coming off too rude, just trying to nail down something really good so it's a true improvement for devs and users, and do so before I start coding
16:40 gmcharlt pianohacker: a revised paste coming soon
16:38 gmcharlt a la the sysprefs editor
16:38 gmcharlt pianohacker: as a convience for the script, but yes, if we don't let them create new tasks (and I think we shouldn't), then yeah, task descriptions and parameter descirpitons could be moved outside
16:38 magnuse so long and thanks for all the cheese!
16:37 * magnuse needs to take a break
16:37 pianohacker gmcharlt: If users can't define new tasks, why have descriptions stored in the DB?
16:36 pianohacker gmcharlt: A new task, to use the schema's terminology
16:36 gmcharlt a new task? or a new job?
16:36 gmcharlt what does a user-defined cronjob mean, in this case
16:35 pianohacker (the latter being for stock cronjobs like fines/longoverdue/advance_notice/etc.)
16:33 pianohacker but slightly-nicer, translatable descriptions are stored elsewhere
16:33 pianohacker so user-defined cronjobs can be added, and descriptions stored in the DB
16:33 pianohacker but having data related to display/description of them in yaml or even just a JS struct
16:32 pianohacker storing the actual configuration/structure of the tasks in the DB
16:32 pianohacker gmcharlt: how about a mixed approach
16:30 gmcharlt if there's no configuraiton interface there, then frankly I think we'd be better off sticking with the current approach and just tidying up the perldoc and perhaps imposing more consistentcy
16:30 * oleonard pictures barton_ingesting in a vat of nutrients, absorbing food through his skin.
16:29 gmcharlt thereby making it accessible to normal users
16:28 gmcharlt pianohacker: the main reason for that proposal is keeping as much configuration as possible into the DB
16:28 cait yaml?
16:28 pianohacker gmcharlt: was the main reason for sticking the cronjobs in the DB to allow user-defined scheduled tasks?
16:28 cait aah pref file
16:27 gmcharlt as a less worky alternative, maybe adapting what you did with the sysprefs editor would suffice
16:27 gmcharlt pianohacker: indeed, it's a lot of work
16:27 cait or is the user supposed to add to it?
16:27 gmcharlt what's problematic, of course, is just sticking plain English into the database
16:27 pianohacker again, I like the idea but that's a crapload of work
16:27 cait hm if this is for existing cronjobs, maybe we could do it a bit simpler and move the descriptions into the template?
16:26 gmcharlt - install and upgrade hooks to stick translation into it during updates
16:26 gmcharlt - adjustments to the translation scripts to generate a PO file from it
16:26 gmcharlt i.e., a i18n table implies the following
16:25 gmcharlt pianohacker: well, sticking them in the DB is fine... as long as one provides a translation mechanism
16:25 pianohacker okay... I like that particular idea but I thought we were trying to get translatable strings out of the DB
16:24 gmcharlt there are other efforts underway to get somethign like that started
16:24 gmcharlt pianohacker: perhaps a separate i18n table that contains a key, a locale, and a translation
16:23 pianohacker I like the flexibility of it, but descriptions of cronjobs/options/option values have to be stored somewhere
16:23 gmcharlt pianohacker: what are you asking?
16:22 wahanui it has been said that translation is translate.koha-community.org
16:22 pianohacker gmcharlt: translation?
16:22 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for pianohacker -- initial thoughts on a database schema for a unified job runner" (46 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/161
16:19 pianohacker brb
16:18 pianohacker magnuse++
16:17 magnuse i can haz fresh numbers? sure! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014#Wednesday_afternoon
16:11 mtompset Oooo... cool, pianohacker. Will read log file after getting back from my chauffeur gig.
16:11 pianohacker gmcharlt: thanks
16:11 magnuse one cheese to rule them all? nah, i prefer there to be lots and lots and lots of different ones!
16:11 gmcharlt pianohacker: I'll have a paste for you in a few minutes
16:10 * pianohacker finishes braindumping and goes to get coffee
16:10 pianohacker and for that I need to either refactor the cronjobs to take their config differently or store metadata on their options
16:09 pianohacker limits relevant parameters to numerical values, etc.
16:09 pianohacker I'd like to expose a UI that, for instance, hooks up the LOST authval for the -c option of longoverdue
16:09 pianohacker because I don't want to just say "and put the command line options here"
16:09 pianohacker the second part is the tricky bit
16:08 bag typo bag it's cheese :P
16:08 pianohacker and the cronjobs can be configured from the web interface
16:08 bag typo magnuse it's ring ;)
16:08 pianohacker good night thd
16:08 pianohacker i.e., with the exceptions of process_message_queue and rebuild_zebra, only one script has to be added to the crontab
16:08 * thd has to sleep more.
16:08 magnuse one cronjob to rule them all!?
16:08 gmcharlt yeah, we had had a prior discussion
16:07 pianohacker gmcharlt: I thought I had talked to you about this, but my memory has tripped me up :) I'm working on unifying the cronjobs
16:07 pianohacker gmcharlt: I think so, apologies
16:07 pianohacker I'd also like to refactor the cronjobs so they can optionally output nice, machine-readable information about progress/errors
16:07 gmcharlt I think I'm missing some context
16:06 gmcharlt and name_of_cronjob --help
16:06 gmcharlt well, there is always the boring man name_of_cronjob
16:06 pianohacker plus information on the cronjob itself
16:06 bag now that was a typo pianohacker
16:06 pianohacker gmcharlt: Available options, meanings of those options, what values they can be set to, etc.
16:05 bag but file
16:05 bag sorry not text file :P
16:05 gmcharlt pianohacker: what sorts of metadata, specifically?
16:05 bag pianohacker: how about the user could choose to store them in the database or in a text file?
16:05 pianohacker doing it entirely in JS is easy to implement and can easily be translated
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client place hold screen if record has no items
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11821 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Staff client catalog: delete menu items greyed out without explanation
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11833 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Filtering on saved report subgroup doesn't work
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Pushed to Master , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11820 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , dead code in basketgroup.pl : "add" operation is never invoked without a booksellerid
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11686 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "please note your reason here..." does not get translated
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11832: fix JavaScript error on staff client place hold screen if record has no items
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11821: disable catalog edit menu items and provide explanations when actions cannot be done
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11648 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use word item instead of copy
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11550 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a couple of unit tests for C4::Acq::GetOrder
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11833 - fix filtering on saved report subgroup
16:05 jenkins_koha * Isaac Brodsky: Bug 1047: Punctuation in site names no longer breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
16:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11820: remove dead code in basket group management
16:05 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11686: make "please note your reason here..." translatable
16:05 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - opac prog
16:05 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - opac bootstrap
16:05 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11648 - Use word item instead of copy - intranet
16:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10012 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmc, Pushed to Master , Remove all traces of NoZebraIndexes
16:05 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11550: Add UT for C4::Acquisition::GetOrder
16:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10012: DBRev 3.15.00.024
16:05 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10012: remove last traces of NoZebra
16:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #384: SUCCESS in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/384/
16:05 pianohacker I'm trying to figure out where to store the metadata/info on cronjobs and their options
16:04 gmcharlt pianohacker: what are the questions?
16:04 pianohacker gmcharlt: your opinion in particular would be helpful on cronjobs
16:03 mtompset Please sir, can I have some more? ;)
16:01 cait more cheese!
16:00 gmcharlt lol
16:00 magnuse three cheese for gmcharlt!
16:00 bag I may be there - I can't sleep on this much cheese :)
16:00 cait we might still be out partying ... who knows?
16:00 cait :)
16:00 gmcharlt #endmeeting
16:00 gmcharlt extra cheese to those of you who stay up to the second part!
15:59 gmcharlt OK, thanks, everybody
15:59 bag pianohacker: was that typo kindergartners?
15:59 gmcharlt I typ reel gud too
15:59 * pianohacker is bad at typing for a keyboard geek
15:59 ashimema exactly ;)
15:59 * pianohacker just notices typo in above harassment of gmcharlt
15:59 * magnuse runs away
15:58 magnuse i think what would be good wuld be for ashimema to thnk about how the different pieces of the puzzle can fit together/be reconciled
15:58 ashimema I'll grab magnus, dpavlin later (no running away boys)
15:58 gmcharlt great
15:58 ashimema happy to try and co-ordinate that gmcharlt
15:58 cait dpavlin++
15:58 dpavlin gmcharlt: ack
15:58 gmcharlt dpavlin: that's OK, I mostly just want the email thread to exist as a coordination point
15:57 dpavlin gmcharlt: sure, but we didn't really did much work (yet). patch in question is two years old
15:57 pianohacker cait: as penance?
15:56 cait pianohacker: you could write up a summary for the second dev meeting tonihgt... :)
15:56 mtompset gmcharlt++ # rather productive still!
15:56 gmcharlt ashimema: dpavlin: whoever: could I ask that one of you write up a summary of the Plack work done at hackfest to send to koha-devel?
15:56 * pianohacker wants to grab the ear of some developers to talk cronjobs, but that can happen post-meeting
15:56 magnuse sinuses--
15:56 gmcharlt are there any other last minute announcements?
15:55 * pianohacker readies weaponized kindergarteners
15:55 marcelr gmcharlt++
15:55 cait gmcharlt++ # glad you are better now
15:55 mtompset +1 for 160.
15:55 gmcharlt good work at the hackfest, folks!
15:55 pianohacker If this is how slow gmcharlt is when he's sick...
15:55 gmcharlt ashimema++
15:55 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt was laid low by his sinuses over the weekend, still workingo n DBIC examples and clearing the PQA queue
15:54 ashimema I'm going to run the idea of donating a small server for performance profiling past 'the big boss man' here..
15:54 gmcharlt #topic Action items from previous meeting
15:53 gmcharlt #agreed http://paste.koha-community.org/160 is provisionally accepted as an amendment to the coding guidelines regarding performance
15:53 cait +1
15:52 oleonard gmcharlt: I like the double English/French meaning of that word, formidable :)
15:52 * cait is reading :)
15:52 bag +1
15:52 paul_p or very very strong ;-)
15:51 ColinC +1 for 160
15:51 gmcharlt paul_p: alcholic cheese that could affect me from 5,000 miles away would be... formidable
15:51 magnuse +1 for 160
15:51 paul_p ( +1 for 160 )
15:51 pianohacker just a small one that makes a bit of a rattle
15:51 * pianohacker didn't intend to throw that large of a wrench into the works
15:51 paul_p gmcharlt = I promise there was no alcohol with the cheese. If things becomes mad now, it's not my fault ;-)
15:51 ashimema gmcharlt++
15:51 magnuse mmm, cheese...
15:51 ashimema it's all about the cheese gromit.
15:51 mtompset gmcharlt++ # for manual awesomeness. ;)
15:50 bag don't forget the cheese
15:50 pianohacker phew :)
15:50 * gmcharlt will generate the meeting log and minutes manually
15:50 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver ByWater
15:50 pianohacker we have to start the meeting from scratch
15:50 marcelr 160 reads good
15:50 pianohacker oh god everything is messed up now
15:50 paul_p oups, it was the left one :D
15:50 cait bit worried that the meetingbot is not working... can we check?
15:49 bag magnuse++
15:49 mtompset ashimema++ # like the idea of the profiling server.
15:49 gmcharlt thoughts on the proposed coding guidelines wording? http://paste.koha-community.org/160
15:49 paul_p lol. magnuse rised his (right) hand ;-)
15:49 gmcharlt #agreed http://paste.koha-community.org/158 is provisionally approved as a QA guideline for performance t
15:49 bag sorry kind of odd having a meeting sitting in a room with 3/4 of the people in the meeting and it's so quiet - I could always imagine magnus rasing his hand to speak or something - sorry to say it doesn't happen
15:48 paul_p gmcharlt agreed, of course. We must be sure that conditions are the same (same DB, same resources available,...)
15:48 magnuse https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Performance+Plugin ?
15:48 ashimema maybe we needs a performance profiling server.., or to set resrouces aside for performance profileing only.
15:48 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Coding guidelines regarding performance" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/160
15:48 gmcharlt e.g., running it on test servers that aren't running other things
15:47 gmcharlt paul_p: I think some automated performance benchmarking is a good idea, though some care will have to be taken
15:47 mtompset if the runs are serialized, it would be possible.
15:47 pianohacker Joubu: good point
15:47 ashimema paul_p++ I like that idea.. and would suggest it mysefl but don't fully understand the implications of setting that up
15:47 cait maybe we cold log this as an idea?
15:47 Joubu It depends on the load of the server. I think sometime several runs are done at the same time.
15:47 * pianohacker agrees in principle though
15:46 marcelr :)
15:46 paul_p s/strictly/really/
15:46 paul_p pianohacker I strictly don't know...
15:46 pianohacker paul_p: is that difficult to do?
15:46 paul_p what about setup jenkins to run benchmark tests before an after each build, and if a difference of, for example, more than +5% is detected, hilight that ?
15:45 pianohacker +1 for 158
15:45 paul_p +1 for 158
15:44 mtompset +1 for 158 # the QA-rs who don't have profiling all set up will be relieved. :)
15:44 magnuse +1 for 158
15:44 cait +1
15:44 * cait is reading
15:44 ashimema :)
15:44 ashimema +1 for 158
15:43 gmcharlt (both to set the final version, and to give me time to finish by coding guidelines draft ;)
15:43 marcelr +1 for 158
15:43 gmcharlt could I have a round for +1/-1 for paste 158?
15:42 pianohacker hey there slowpoke
15:42 mtompset +1 for paste 157
15:42 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett
15:42 * ashimema see a copy paste from gmcharlt's statement coming soon ;)
15:41 * cait might need a better hiding spot tomorrow ;)
15:41 ashimema sometime at hackfest.. whilst we're sitting next ot each other ;)
15:40 * cait tries to volunteer ashimema to create one ;)
15:40 ashimema I'll be happy to add qa guidelines wiki page (in terms of editing wiki).. guided by cait for the content.
15:40 gmcharlt one sec
15:40 * gmcharlt is drafting a statement for the coding guidlines
15:40 gmcharlt cait: my proposing I think is best for a QA page
15:40 ColinC yes coding guidelines .... makes people aware who are coding it
15:40 marcelr we need common sense here
15:40 marcelr improvement :)
15:40 gmcharlt marcelr: does ^^ read more clearly to you?
15:39 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed QA policy regarding performance" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/158
15:39 cait where to put it on the wiki? coding guidelines? I think I never got around to start a qa page *hides*
15:39 bag +1
15:38 ColinC +1
15:38 magnuse +1
15:38 paul_p +1 for paste 157
15:38 cait +1
15:38 pianohacker +1
15:38 marcelr requested to watch out? or something less mandatory?
15:38 ashimema sounds fiar to me gmcharlt
15:38 cait reads fine to me, just some grammar/typo issue in the last bits
15:38 gmcharlt let's try this ^^
15:38 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed QA policy regarding performance" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/157
15:38 cait :)
15:37 gmcharlt Holy wrapping, Batman!
15:37 huginn bag: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (4:30 PM CET on March 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
15:37 bag @wunder marseille france
15:37 gmcharlt ok, comments on that wording?
15:36 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed QA policy regarding performance" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156
15:36 paul_p having a performance problem in admin/marc_subfield_structure.pl is much less critical than in circulation/returns.pl !
15:35 paul_p and they can detect performance caveats in the most common places.
15:35 bag but it's an addtional thing that I forgot about that I can add to my QA steps
15:35 paul_p but it can be used as a frameork to add more
15:35 paul_p bag = they test "common" cases, like searching a patron, checkout/checkin, ... Only a few cases, you're right
15:34 cait could be a good guideline as well
15:34 cait but then checking that code is not executed when the feature is turned off
15:34 pianohacker thd: I believe there is precedent for that
15:34 cait it often is the case i think
15:34 bag paul_p: yes but aren't there only a few tests in there?
15:34 thd Some performance tradeoffs for useful but performance draining features could be regulated by a system preference.
15:34 cait :)
15:34 gmcharlt give me a moment to draft something
15:34 ashimema ++
15:34 magnuse sounds like a good start to me
15:33 pianohacker I agree with gmcharlt
15:33 gmcharlt for example, if a new page displays an arbitrary number fo recrords that can be large... if it doesn't implement some sort of paging or lazy loading, it is potentially a trouble-spot
15:33 marcelr the QAer could ask for feedback on performance from dev or signoffer
15:33 cait i tihnk we had that recently with some changes o the letter processing
15:33 cait agreed
15:33 gmcharlt there are also some design points that can be considered
15:33 ashimema sounds fair
15:32 gmcharlt 2. HOWEVER, performance issues, if observed, /are/ considered a valid reason to fail a patch series
15:32 gmcharlt 1. performance testing is a desirable but not mandatory part of QA, particularly for large patches
15:32 paul_p is everybody aware of the scripts in misc/load_testing/ ?
15:32 gmcharlt cait: marcelr: how about this
15:31 ColinC very difficult to generate rules for performance testing so many factors in play
15:31 pianohacker I can see a proper automated profile in the qa scripts as a highly complicated task
15:31 marcelr i think we should not add performance as a qa task
15:31 cait I have to admit, while i see the advantages, it is a bit of a scary thing to me right now
15:31 bag ah good thought ashimema
15:31 ashimema maybe add some prof stuff to the qa scripts.. if poss?
15:30 pianohacker I don't know about profiling beyond 'dang stuff is slow now', QA is already a rather complex process
15:30 gmcharlt bag: need to be careful there, though -- a mandatory profling step would slow down QA
15:30 ashimema though means all qa team learning this stuff properly.
15:30 ashimema bag++ before/after profiling would be nice.
15:30 gmcharlt i.e., there, it would be OK to allow performance enhancements to come later
15:30 bag hmm maybe we could profile before patch and then profile afterwards cait ?
15:30 gmcharlt but a patch that adds a new module that itself is a little slow, doesn't necessarily need to be blocked if it doesn't drag overall speed down
15:30 ashimema as I said in our meet the yesterday.. it's hard to test performance during qa.. allot of performance slow down is 'creep' as aposed to big performance hits.
15:29 cait gmcharlt: I think we can't say 'no' here, but i am not sure how to include it in my review
15:29 pianohacker I agree with that
15:29 bag ah you are
15:29 gmcharlt for example, a patch that adds a minor enhancment but makes displaying a bib record in the OPAC ten times slower likely should fail QA
15:29 bag "but with a little care" can you expand on that
15:28 gmcharlt my view of it is that performance does need to be considered, but with a little care
15:28 ashimema that's my current understanding.
15:28 ashimema and the catalyst stuff is all about koha-plackify as such.
15:28 bag gmcharlt: yes
15:28 ashimema elliots is more suitable for production
15:28 ashimema indeed.. dpavlin.. your stuff add's all the debugging goodness to the plackup scripts
15:28 gmcharlt #info Question: Should performance be an issue during the QA process?
15:28 gmcharlt #topic Performance and QA
15:27 dpavlin my work is mostly useful for developers since it has a bunch of debugging stuff (turned off by default) in it
15:27 cait ashimema++
15:27 cait maybe gater some stuff on the wiki and have some kind of action plan?
15:26 gmcharlt #info Plack support will almost certainly be experimental for production use, but will be encouraged for development environments to shake out remaining bugs
15:26 paul_p pianohacker about making parts of Koha Plack/PSGI-native = we never spoke of this before AFAIK. it looks a good idea, and a "natural" one
15:26 ashimema but yeah.. generally it needs a good tidy up
15:26 gmcharlt #info RM announces Plack configs for both OPAC and intranet as a release goal for 3.16
15:25 ashimema we have one customer using elliots stuff in production.
15:25 magnuse ashimema++
15:25 ashimema I'm happy to take on trying to get plack collaboration..
15:25 gmcharlt since I know that the Catalyst stuff, for instance, has been in use in production (for the OPAC)
15:25 ashimema currently they're rather out fo sync and confusing from a user point of view which one should apply and in what order
15:25 gmcharlt magnuse: it means that there's going to have to be a reconciliation
15:25 magnuse ...and cheese
15:25 magnuse seems like we could do with some more coordination here ;-)
15:24 ashimema yeah.. it's elliots makefile work I want to make dependant upon dpavlins bug
15:24 magnuse not sure how the catalyst repo relates to the work from dpavlin?
15:24 bag right
15:24 magnuse yup
15:24 ashimema yeah.. that's what gmcharlt linked to
15:24 bag Elliott
15:24 bag ashimema: I think libsysguy started that
15:24 ashimema catalyst did it I think..
15:23 gmcharlt ok
15:23 ashimema there are begginings of a koha-plackify script somewhere..
15:23 magnuse bag++
15:23 bag I am pursuing getting a recording of a butload of transactions across all intranet - so that we can have that with a debug screen available to, rewind, press play etc. (with plack turned on) - so we could quickly catch errors
15:23 magnuse a koha-plackify script for the packages would be awesome - and 7844 more or less provides that, i think
15:23 gmcharlt pianohacker: desires to do so, at any rate
15:21 gmcharlt at least a an experimental basis
15:21 cait I tihk we had a link to that in the minutes from the second meeting last time
15:21 pianohacker Are there plans to gradually make parts of Koha Plack/PSGI-native once we get Plack/CGI working?
15:21 gmcharlt the upshot, from my POV, is that it seems more likely that we can achieve a full set of Plack configurations to ship with 3.16
15:21 bag cool
15:21 gmcharlt #info Catalyst also has some patches for dealing with restarting Zebra connections
15:20 gmcharlt #info http://git.catalyst.co.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git;a=summary contains some stuff for Debian-package management of Plack for the OPAC
15:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , plack scripts for developers
15:20 magnuse i added that - our meeting about it seems to have cleared up the issues i tried/failed to forumlate on the agenda
15:19 gmcharlt #info Plack bug 7844 is in progress
15:19 ashimema thought i'de break the silence
15:19 ashimema plack is good for performance ;)
15:19 gmcharlt #topic Performance - Plack
15:18 gmcharlt ok, moving on
15:18 gmcharlt heh
15:18 pianohacker was about to be quite sad
15:18 paul_p it seems it didn't prevented ppl from working after "cheesing"...
15:18 pianohacker I thought the cheese had failed qa the first time I read that sentence
15:18 magnuse #url https://twitter.com/Jmaseto/status/443729984285581312/photo/1
15:18 bag great plan
15:18 ashimema good plan/bad plan?
15:17 ashimema cheese fuelled qa'ing..
15:17 bag :D
15:17 gmcharlt I see the cheese-fest is a success! ;)
15:17 cait :)
15:17 cait #info ... there also was a lot of cheese...
15:16 pianohacker all wallace and gromit up in here
15:16 magnuse ooh, cheesy
15:16 ashimema mmmm, cheese
15:16 bag and cheese
15:16 ashimema :) woop, woop
15:16 bag yes that must happen :) it will be my goal
15:15 ashimema yeah..bag++ for suggesting and hopefully acting upon getting a big customers live use recorded for a day so we can use it for testing
15:15 cait #info And looking into a new default XSLT for UNIMARC
15:15 magnuse in short: lots of work!
15:15 cait #info There was also work on sample SQL reports to install with Koha
15:15 magnuse bug 11858
15:15 bag also some great discussion on getting a testing database/suite set up for plackify the intranet
15:15 magnuse ashimema++
15:14 magnuse yeah, the sooner 7844 is qa'ed and pushed and used by developers, the better, if you ask me ;-)
15:14 ashimema I'm looking at linking up the makefile patch for plack/nginx with bug 11858 later today too..
15:14 pianohacker dpavlin++
15:14 cait dpavlin++
15:14 cait #info dpavlin also looked at a bunch of LDAP related bugs and patches
15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , plack scripts for developers
15:13 dpavlin #info plack bug 7844 got signed off (magnuse++) so we might get something into koha soon
15:13 pianohacker ?
15:13 pianohacker oleonard: not http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2011/04/sadcover-1303842437.jpg
15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , RFID for circulation
15:13 magnuse #info we also discussed RFID, based on work that is being done at Oslo Public Library, see bug 11858
15:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1660 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:12 cait #info Joubu gave a good introduction on profiling and debugging - showing us how to turn on Plack and use NYTprof
15:12 gmcharlt oleonard++
15:12 bag #info CHEESE!!! and froglegs too
15:12 oleonard http://thenounproject.com/term/monster/24989/
15:11 gmcharlt hmm... how to pick an icon for a thingy ;)
15:10 cait #info We discussed SIP implementations in various libraries with various vendors and how it works currently and how it could be improved
15:10 bag thanks cait
15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Professional cataloger's interface
15:10 bag #info professional catalogers thingy has been submitted - good comments and discussion on using it for more than just Marc21 - bug 11559
15:09 cait #info there was a nice demo about the new textual cataloguing interface ByWater's pianohacker is working on
15:09 paul_p #info I'll send a mail to koha-devel to request a DNS entry to host the stats server
15:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #384 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:09 paul_p #info clrh & alex_a will submit soon a patch to collect datas about Koha setups&users
15:09 thd paul_p: Hard wires are better.
15:09 magnuse #info bug status numbers for this week are available from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014
15:09 rhcl #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
15:08 paul_p info = our wifi sometimes get crazy. In this case, mose of us will be disconnected from IRC.
15:08 cait #info Lots of sign-offs has QA fighting to keep up :)
15:08 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Oslo Public Library
15:08 gmcharlt #info numbers from the hackfest - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014
15:08 gmcharlt ok, I'm not at the hackfest, but I'll get this started :)
15:06 gmcharlt folks at the hackfest, please use #info to supply updates about all the good stuff that is going on
15:06 gmcharlt #topic Hackfest update
15:06 gmcharlt great
15:05 JesseM_ #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater
15:05 paul_p #info paul Poulain, BibLibre, France
15:04 cait dpavlin++ for reminding us about the meeting :)
15:04 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver ByWater
15:04 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater
15:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
15:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
15:03 dpavlin #info Dobrica Pavlinušić, FFZG Zagreb, Croatia
15:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:02 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
15:02 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Netherlands
15:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
15:02 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
15:01 gmcharlt #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM
15:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:01 gmcharlt #topic Introductions
15:01 gmcharlt #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014 Agenda
15:01 gmcharlt #start_meeting Developer meeting, 12 March 2014 (part1)
15:00 thd gmcharlt, pianohacker: I am wondering if there is some feature of arrays similar to split which leaves trailing empty strings undefined by default?
14:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11832: fix JavaScript error on staff client place hold screen if record has no... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b5b8cef348b61761305dd0bbc574699404c7c69> / Bug 11821: disable catalog edit menu items and provide explanations when actions... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c1691a8013bd38d6bae8b00a8950e1417695176> / Bug 11833 - fix filtering on saved repo
14:58 thd gmcharlt, pianohacker: I have some empty values such as my $element = ''; push (@array, $element); For some empty values later my $elem = $array[$i]; has some empty strings and some mysteriously undefined.
14:55 gmcharlt are you /completely/ sure that all the values you are inserted are defined, and that you are not missing any steps in the sequence?
14:55 mtompset oleonard: Too many processes hogging memory, slowing down other processes?
14:53 thd gmcharlt: The example you show is for non-sequential array element creation. Why would I have undefined values in a sequentially created array?
14:52 * oleonard wonders why his VM is running so slowly...
14:51 gmcharlt mtompset: in its current form, it adds too much complexity and risk for breaking upgrades; the current approach, although not without its flaws, has allowed rather stable upgrades for the past four or five years
14:50 thd pianohacker: How high would an "artificially high" index be?
14:50 mtompset pianohacker: Are you wearing square pants? :P
14:49 thd gmcharlt: Is your example a negative or modular index?
14:49 pianohacker bag: I'm spongebob
14:49 bag I am
14:49 bag ok pianohacker you ready?
14:48 mtompset gmcharlt: Do you think 7167 will ever get pushed? Or do you forsee it becoming unnecessary?
14:47 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for thd" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/155
14:46 pianohacker thd: Is something setting an artificially high index in the array? I believe perl will autofill undef's
14:45 thd gmcharlt: Do you have experience of mysteriously appearing undefined values from an array?
14:43 gmcharlt pianohacker: no
14:41 * pianohacker remembers the bad old days when we tried to assign numbers ourself...
14:40 huginn 04Bug 7167: new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , updatedatabase improvements
14:40 pianohacker gmcharlt: Are you going to push http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 ?
14:40 * pianohacker had to look a bit to see what had changed
14:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8760 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Phone number Field tags are reversed in patron record
14:37 JesseM_ cait bug 8760
14:37 thd Do arrays return undefined for trailing elements containing empty strings?
14:37 magnuse huh, the packages don't install on debian 7.4?
14:35 jcamins pianohacker: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Database_updates
14:29 pianohacker has something changed?
14:29 * pianohacker is confused
14:29 mtompset Great. :)
14:28 gmcharlt mtompset: indeed; I'll correct that the next time I push an updatedatabase patch
14:27 mtompset I was noticing that .019 and .020 for the master use the older version number comparison method. Shouldn't we be using CheckVersion() on a forward basis?
14:26 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:23 jcamins gmcharlt: heh. That's about the cutest picture ever, though, so I'm not sure what could top it.
14:22 gmcharlt jcamins: I believe the gauntlet has just been thrown
14:22 pianohacker I almost just squeed in the middle of hackfest
14:21 jcamins pianohacker: http://www.thatcutesite.com/just-a-kitten-with-a-bow-tie.html
14:21 pianohacker before, from what my parents have told me, squirming out of it and ripping it to shreds
14:20 pianohacker she would look adorable in a bowtie
14:20 jcamins pianohacker: it should wear a bowtie.
14:20 * gmcharlt melts into a puddle
14:20 gmcharlt color-words++
14:20 pianohacker well, here's the reverse (my parent's new kitten): https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/q74/s720x720/1956821_371391689669494_101205169_o.jpg
14:19 marcelr gmcharlt++ #trying to clear the PQA queue
14:17 gmcharlt pianohacker: oh, but that's part of the fun of mixing in work stuff on Facebook!
14:16 pianohacker I would be tweeting in response but I have no twitter and the reaction from most of my fb would be "u wot m8"
14:16 pianohacker for pushing like a madman
14:15 pianohacker gmcharlt++
14:14 * oleonard gets in line for the Katniss vs. Predator movie
14:12 jcamins lol
14:11 gmcharlt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3CuL7N82-k
14:11 jcamins I don't remember the person in the Hunger Games looking like her, but I thought that everyone looked different from how they were described in the book.
14:10 jcamins oleonard: I just looked up Jennifer Lawrence on Wikipedia, and learned that she was the star in Hunger Games.
14:10 oleonard jcamins: ?
14:08 jcamins I just remember that the Hunger Games types seemed all wrong to me.
14:08 oleonard On the other hand, the percentage of Deep Space 9 gifs on kohadevreactions seems a little out of proportion
14:08 pianohacker especially reddit
14:08 pianohacker that's because the internet defies silly math by being roughly 137% jennifer lawrence
14:07 jcamins I just watched the Hunger Games film a few weeks or months ago, and I have no recollection of Katniss looking like her.
14:06 oleonard Whatever the percentage of Jennifer Lawrence gifs on kohadevreactions it can't match that of the internet as a whole.
14:05 pianohacker I also love how kohadevreactions went on a massive jennifer lawrence kick for a bit
14:04 pianohacker haha right?
14:04 jcamins pianohacker: that is remarkably convincing running in place.
14:03 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
14:03 gmcharlt @quote random
14:03 pianohacker http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/79349198148/vendors-benchmarks
14:01 * Dyrcona goes back to figuring out what happened to open-ils.storage.biblio.multiclass,search_fts in Evergreen.
13:58 francharb :)
13:58 francharb ok! thanks for the laugh. Now, lets go back to salt mine!
13:58 * dpavlin hides in the corner -- I had good intention to sign off few LDAP patches, but I had just to leave comments on them instead
13:56 Dyrcona Me, if I've run out of earth worms.
13:56 francharb oleonard, true!
13:56 oleonard Crows?
13:55 francharb who eats plain snails anyway?
13:55 tcohen dpavlin++
13:55 Dyrcona pianohacker: is right. They are better than snails. Plain snails don't taste like anything.
13:55 pianohacker true!
13:55 francharb ;)
13:55 francharb pianohacker, anithing with butter, garlic and parsley is good
13:54 pianohacker like really tender and tasty funny-shaped chicken
13:54 pianohacker frog legs are surprisingly good
13:53 francharb ahah
13:53 francharb so I dont get the point to eat them
13:53 jcamins francharb: this is the kind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_edible_frog
13:52 francharb Because, in the end, frogs or snails, it only tastes butter, garlic and persley
13:51 francharb \0/
13:51 * oleonard donates to francharb's frog sanctuary
13:50 jcamins Ooh, frog sushi!
13:50 magnuse francharb: you prefer them raw? ;-)
13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , koha-* scripts (packages) should provide tab-completion in bash
13:49 francharb ;)
13:49 magnuse dpavlin++ for signing off bug 10003
13:49 francharb I dont want them to be cooked
13:49 jcamins You like frogs a lot?
13:49 francharb dont tell me where it is or I'll go next time I'll be in New york and buy them all
13:49 cait so now francharb is going to tell us on which criteria best to pick live frogs?
13:48 jcamins You choose them one at a time.
13:47 francharb ?
13:47 francharb Can you pick them
13:47 francharb lets focus on frogs. Do they give you a bag of live frogs?
13:45 francharb ahahahah
13:45 jcamins Here in New York, I haven't seen anyone with a live goat.
13:44 francharb I guess but I'm such a city kind that it never cross my mind
13:44 jcamins In Morocco you commonly purchase your birds and goats live, too.
13:43 jcamins francharb: presumably if you don't live in a big city you can get other animals.
13:43 francharb weird
13:43 cait frogs... and seafood...
13:42 jcamins francharb: nah, mostly just frogs and seafood.
13:42 francharb do they sell all kind of animals to be butchered?
13:42 jcamins They're pretty big.
13:41 Dyrcona francharb: It's easier than catching your own.
13:41 jcamins francharb: yes.
13:41 francharb jcamins, wait, they sell live frogs?
13:39 jcamins Dyrcona: and what we did dissect arrived pre-killed.
13:39 jcamins Dyrcona: nope.
13:39 Dyrcona jcamins: You never dissected frogs in biology class, I take it?
13:39 oleonard Hi francharb
13:38 francharb good morning #koha
13:27 jcamins lol
13:19 bag "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County" becomes ""The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Camins Apt NY"
13:18 bag you fill the frog up with buckshot - like the mark twain story - so the frog can't jump away from you
13:18 oleonard If I log in, set back the Koha version, refresh the page, go through update, I stay logged in as myself.
13:17 oleonard If I log out, set back my Koha version, and trigger the update that way I stay logged in as the db user.
13:16 jcamins oleonard: I feel like the meat might end up a bit tough.
13:16 oleonard wait, that is.
13:16 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -0.5°C (8:16 AM CDT on March 12, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
13:16 oleonard jcamins: You get him hooked on cigarettes and way 20-30 years.
13:16 rhcl @wunder 64507
13:15 jcamins They also sell frogs, but I'm not really sure how one butchers a live frog.
13:15 jcamins They started stocking them at our grocery store.
13:15 jcamins We've been considering buying frogs' legs.
13:14 oleonard :D
13:14 bag actually I thought of you and was like - no way I can go home without having froglegs - owen would be disappointed ;)
13:13 oleonard bag: Did it make you feel like Doc Hopper in "The Muppet Movie?"
13:12 bag oh oleonard we had froglegs last night
13:11 oleonard After watching Breaking Bad "heisenbug" sounds like a bug that cooks meth.
13:11 pianohacker oleonard: any idea why your problem is happening?
13:11 pianohacker ... it's a heisenbug
13:04 pianohacker oh bugger it's my own code leaving a broken session behind, nvm...
13:02 pianohacker and I don't think the theme has a chance to do anything yet
13:01 pianohacker oleonard: if you go to opac-user.pl then refresh the page, is when it happens for me
13:01 pianohacker due to get_template... returning rather than showing the login screen and getalerts being called with an undefined borrowernnumber
13:00 marcelr oleonard: i did the upgrade to current master just now and had to login again
13:00 oleonard Load which page?
13:00 pianohacker oleonard: the second time I load the page it gives me 'Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 2064'
12:59 oleonard Bootstrap theme? What am I looking for?
12:59 pianohacker try refreshing the page?
12:59 jcamins Works fine for me.
12:59 pianohacker aw bugger
12:59 oleonard Not seeing a problem pianohacker
12:58 pianohacker oleonard: Currently horribly breaks, wondering if related
12:57 oleonard Why?
12:57 pianohacker *not logged in
12:56 pianohacker oleonard: Try going to the opac not logged out and clicking "log in"
12:54 oleonard I'm simply left logged in as the database user.
12:53 oleonard Something has changed: Now after a db update Koha doesn't ask me to log in as a regular user anymore.
12:51 cait well 'the qa queue' :)
12:51 cait but it's hard!
12:51 cait oleonard: trying to get my queue down
12:50 cait morning tcohen :)
12:40 tcohen morning
12:40 magnuse giannis++
12:33 cait we need teleporters...
12:33 * cait hides it away
12:33 * oleonard grumbles at his no cheese
12:32 * cait waves at oleonard with a piece of cheese in her hand
12:29 oleonard Hi #koha
12:19 marcelr good
12:19 cait so it might get a bit louder in a bit again :)
12:19 cait having lunch right now - today is cheese and salad
12:18 marcelr :)
12:18 cait hi marcelr :)
12:18 marcelr hi #koha, hi marseille
12:00 fridolin whouuu
12:00 fridolin Giannis Kourmoulis made first patch : BZ11927 : add greek sorting chr file
11:28 bag magnuse:
11:26 magnuse ah, thanks cait
11:19 cait because some bugsin the queues are assigned to the bug list, instead of to the patch writer :)
11:19 cait field
11:19 cait like fill in the assignee filed
11:19 magnuse cait: assign a bug to ourselves?
11:18 * cait sends some cookies to the god of networks
11:14 cait Please all remember to assign a bug to yourself :)
10:36 Oak cait++
10:36 Oak magnuse++
10:32 cait magnuse: been there...
10:31 magnuse cait: yeah, it was the latter
10:12 bag I think we are within an hour of cheese!
10:11 pianohacker curse you space
10:11 pianohacker /me slaps bag around with a large http://search.cpan.org/dist/Enbugger/lib/Enbugger.pod#From_gdb
10:10 bag pianohacker: get binoculars and roll the chair back :) is that remote enough?
10:09 pianohacker does anyone know how to remotely debug perl? I'm having a frustrating error that I can't duplicate from the command line...
10:04 cait magnuse: might be you are not logged in correctly to bugzilla or trying to switch to astatus that does not work without switching to some other status first
10:04 cait magnuse: hm today so far it works quite well for me
09:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , plack scripts for developers
09:58 magnuse bug 7844 is signed off now - i hope it can make it into master quickly :-)
09:56 magnuse dpavlin++
09:56 magnuse gah, my fault
09:51 magnuse anyone else having trouble with "git bz attach"? i get lots of html in my terminal...
09:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , plack scripts for developers
09:03 * magnuse tries to resurrect bug 7844
08:59 * magnuse bows
08:59 pianohacker magnuse++
08:52 nlegrand_ ho
08:52 nlegrand_ Hey #koha :)
08:50 cait thx for numbers!
08:50 cait magnuse++
08:42 magnuse numbers? we've got numbers! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Marseille_hackfest_2014
08:36 JesseM thanks cait I will take a look at these
08:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page
08:32 cait JesseM: maybe bug 11762 - moving the code from the detail pge to result lists as well
08:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10936 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Standardnumber doubled up in Advanced search - more options
08:32 cait JesseM: bug 10936
08:31 magnuse please double check the time, the links on the wiki were wrong...
08:30 cait thx for reminding us
08:30 cait oh
08:30 magnuse developer's meeting in 6,5 hours, unless i am mistaken! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_March_12_2014
08:30 magnuse pianohacker: you missed it? too late now! :-)
08:27 huginn JesseM: The operation succeeded.
08:27 JesseM @later tell talljoy that Foxriver Server is not yet set up. I will take care of SIP and OCLC connexion once its up.
08:08 pianohacker (also hello)
08:08 pianohacker how does one wave in norwegian exactly? very properly and only when it is your turn?
08:06 * magnuse waves in norwegian
08:05 bag good morning
07:59 JesseM Good Morning
07:58 Joubu hi
07:38 reiveune hello
06:50 cait good morning #koha :)
06:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=108661 was not found.
06:40 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 108661: (follow-up) enshrine letting CardnumberLength specify just a maximum
06:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10861 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a check on cardnumber length
06:40 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10861: (follow-up) use minlength/maxlength rather than pattern for client-side validation
06:40 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10861: DBrev 3.15.00.023
06:40 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10861: (follow-up) Clarify preference description
06:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10861: (follow-up) various refactoring
06:40 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10861: (follow-up) for typo in patrons.pref
06:40 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10861: Add a check on cardnumber length
06:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1659: SUCCESS in 2 hr 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1659/
05:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=108661 was not found.
05:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 108661: (follow-up) enshrine letting CardnumberLength specify just a maximum
05:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10861: (follow-up) use minlength/maxlength rather than pattern for client-side validation
05:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10861 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a check on cardnumber length
05:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10861: DBrev 3.15.00.023
05:04 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10861: (follow-up) Clarify preference description
05:04 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10861: (follow-up) various refactoring
05:04 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10861: (follow-up) for typo in patrons.pref
05:04 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10861: Add a check on cardnumber length
05:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #383: SUCCESS in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/383/
04:48 wajasu thx
04:47 wajasu mtpompset: makes sense.
04:46 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. Bye, Oak wajasu.
04:27 mtompset wajasu: Does that rambling all make some sense?
04:25 Oak :)
04:25 mtompset Greetings, Oak. :)
04:25 Oak hello mtompset!
04:25 Oak kia ora #koha
04:19 mtompset 11592
04:18 mtompset And speaking of hiding at a framework level...
04:16 mtompset So, you can override OpacHiddenItems based on patron category. :)
04:14 mtompset oh, and wajasu bugs 10589 10895 10900
04:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1659 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 108661: (follow-up) enshrine letting CardnumberLength specify just a maximum <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=556eb677186b738c036fd13a7cc3461c3f8c3d48> / Bug 10861: (follow-up) use minlength/maxlength rather than pattern for client-side... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22593e2e9b613bd03fd42100e60f9a1da53476d9> / Bug 10861: DBrev 3.15.00.023 <http://git.k
04:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #383 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:07 mtompset That is, if all the items are hidden, the OpacSuppression system preference would indicate to hide the biblio. Of course, it may be cleaner to create a separate system preference.
04:06 mtompset I'm wondering if using the OpacSuppression system preference would be an incorrect overloading of functionality.
04:03 mtompset Okay... three way still then. :)
04:02 mtompset I guess that is the OpacSuppression?
04:01 mtompset Ahh... 942$n.
04:00 mtompset If you hide everything at the framework level, are you trying to hide items and biblios too?
03:59 mtompset And if your frameworks hides various fields in different ways, the only tells you about that particular field/subfield pairing.
03:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11705 normal, P4, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , New Debian policy enforcement is breaking the build script
03:58 mtompset If you hide items with OpacHiddenItems, you may or may not want the Biblio hidden, but there is no way to tell, since your intent is items, not biblios.
03:58 jenkins_koha Robin Sheat: Bug 11705 - change versioning of build-git-snapshot
03:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1658: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1658/
03:56 mtompset -- sorry, having to reindex.
03:56 mtompset If you suppress a biblio with OpacSuppression, you clearly want all the items for it hidden too. :)
03:55 mtompset and I believe it is only in the biblioitems marcxml.
03:53 mtompset My gut is saying something $n.
03:51 mtompset so it is individual fields.
03:51 mtompset There is a visibility tag which affects the framework...
03:50 mtompset Actually... four now that I think some...
03:49 mtompset And then... let's see if I remember where that third one is.
03:48 mtompset And is at the item level.
03:48 wahanui opachiddenitems is a YAML rule set for deciding whether to hide an item or not.
03:48 mtompset OpacHiddenItems.
03:48 mtompset It's at the Biblio level.
03:48 wahanui i think opacsuppression is different.
03:48 mtompset OpacSuppression.
03:48 mtompset Okay. there are THREE hiding mechanisms in Koha currently.
03:47 mtompset Just scrolled back...
03:45 wajasu mtompset: i talk a bit earlier 17;15 -17:46 about my current strategy for getting the facet counts correct for OpacHiddenItems. anything you can think of that i might have missed. i'm still working inthe patch.
03:11 mtompset woah! Nice flood of new stuff.
02:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11705 normal, P4, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , New Debian policy enforcement is breaking the build script
02:49 jenkins_koha Robin Sheat: Bug 11705 - change versioning of build-git-snapshot
02:49 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #382: SUCCESS in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/382/
02:32 * mtompset laughs.
02:24 gmcharlt eythian: just trying to focus your attention on debconf support ;)
02:23 eythian damnit gmcharlt, I was just about to submit patches for that configuration thing, and then saw you'd already done it :)
02:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11705 - change versioning of build-git-snapshot <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd773f8e798f328292f49969b103892eb7dc6721>
01:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #1658 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #382 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:06 rangi sup
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