Time Nick Message 00:29 bag cait 00:30 bag @marc 856 00:30 huginn` bag: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) 00:30 bag @more 00:30 huginn` bag: [a,b,c,d,f,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,2,3,6,8] 00:31 bag @marc 856 u 00:31 huginn` bag: Uniform Resource Identifier The URI, which provides standard syntax for locating an object using existing Internet protocols. Field 856 is structured to allow for the creation of a URL from the concatenation of other separate 856 subfields. Subfield $u may be used instead of those separate subfields or in addition to them.Subfield $u may be repeated only if both a URN or a URL or more than one URN are (1 more message) 00:31 bag @ 00:31 bag @more 00:31 huginn` bag: recorded. (Repeatable) 01:12 mtompset 856$u rocks. :) 02:26 mtompset Well, logbot. we've been split. :) 02:26 mtompset dcook: You there? 02:56 dcook ... 02:56 dcook It's so lonely out here! 06:26 saa i have a 3.2 sql backup can some one tell me hw easily and safely i can get it in 3.14 06:37 wajasu pwd 06:37 wajasu ls 06:37 wajasu you are on the right track 06:38 wajasu you might scour the release notes or wiki to see how things progressed across versions. 07:06 mtj saa, create a test 3.14 koha - then load your 3.2 db into it 07:07 saa will it directly take 07:07 mtj hit the admin url, and it will prompt you for 3.2 -> 3.14 upgrade 07:07 mtj yes 07:07 saa oh let me try immediately 07:08 saa i spent unnecessarily time on going from 3.2 to 3.4, 3.6 etc. 07:08 mtj every time koha generates a page it checks the db version number... 07:08 mtj …if the version number is old, koha redirects to the upgrade page 07:09 mtj yep, a biggg waste of time ^^ :) 07:10 mtj you can upgrade a koha 3.0 db to latest koha, all in one go :) 07:10 saa oh tx for this 07:10 mtj no probs… :) 07:10 saa i can install 3.14 and i dont need to run webinstall right 07:11 saa i can just run mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha3.2backup.sql 07:11 mtj you do need to run web-install 07:13 mtj and then the 'sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha' script, too 07:13 mtj $ sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha 07:14 mtj $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v your_koha 07:14 mtj . 07:14 mtj …run those 2 commands after web-install, all done :) 07:40 huginn` GERMS!!!! 07:40 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 07:40 cait good morning #koha 07:40 cait ho narro! 07:41 cait (something that is said today in Konstanz by crazily costumed people) 07:48 reiveune hello 07:59 Joubu o/ 08:06 gaetan_B hello 08:10 cait hi Joubu and gaetan_B 08:10 cait oh and hi reiveune :) 08:10 paxed <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[(@tag=100 or @tag=700) and @ind1!='z']"> 08:10 cait khall: isn't it really late or realyl early for you? 08:10 paxed ind1!=z???? 08:10 reiveune salut cait 08:11 paxed there is no ind1=z in the marc21 format 08:11 cait paxed: yes, that is used I think when you index headings 08:11 cait paxed: correct, that's why z is used 08:11 paxed index headings? 08:11 matts hi ! 08:11 cait sec 08:12 cait finding the pref 08:12 cait IncludeSeeFromInSearches 08:12 wahanui IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore. 08:12 cait when using authorities you can make the search also index the see also forms 08:12 cait so zebra gets them with the record for indexing 08:15 cait and they will use the z indicator (to my knowledge) 08:17 paxed ok, just an undocumented(?) Magic Value 08:17 cait you can always do a git blame 08:17 cait and find the patch that added it, if you are lookng at the code :) 08:17 paxed if i'm looking at the xslt and it handles marc, i first look at the marc specs. 08:18 cait yeah but it can help when you stumble on something you don't find there 08:18 cait which xslt are you looking at? 08:18 paxed MARC21slim2intranetResults.xsl 08:18 * magnuse waves 08:18 cait bug 7417 08:18 wahanui bug 7417 is a good one too 08:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 08:19 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 5.4°C (9:18 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 08:19 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway 08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 1.9°C (9:05 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 08:19 cait good morning magnuse 08:19 magnuse kia ora cait 08:25 saa i tried importing koha 3.2 to 3.14 first blank installation of 3.14 with web install run 08:25 saa then copied 3.2 sql file through terminal 08:26 saa but when i opened webpage it did nt ask for any upgrade page 08:26 cait did your sql file copy correctly? 08:26 cait check the version it shows in the systempreferences 08:26 saa ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 2586: Can't create table 'koha_library.letter' (errno: 150) 08:26 saa it threw above error 08:26 cait yeah 08:26 saa but came out 08:26 cait try emptying out the database 08:27 cait before you import yours 08:27 cait not run the web installer 08:27 saa can u tell me command to empty database 08:28 cait you log into mysql for that 08:28 saa already logged in 08:28 cait make sure you drop the right database! drop database xxxx; create database xxxx; 08:28 cait then reload your dump 08:28 saa my old dump has database name koha and passwd library 08:28 saa new database will be koha_library 08:29 saa is that ok 08:29 cait check the sql file you loaded - sometimes the database name is in the dump 08:29 cait and then bad things can happen 08:29 cait if it's in the sql file (somewhere at the beginning) change it to your new database name 08:30 cait should be use database; 08:30 saa sorry 08:30 saa can u tell me hw i can change that in sql file of old dump 08:31 cait open it in an editor or use vi 08:31 saa i opened 08:31 cait it's not different to a text filer really 08:31 cait look for a line starting with use 08:32 cait if there is use koha; you want to change it to use koha_library - but it might not be necessary 08:32 cait doing the drop and create and then reloading might just wor without any additional changes 08:32 saa it is not there use koha 08:32 cait good :) 08:33 cait did you do the drop and create commands? 08:33 saa ok let me try 08:34 saa i ran mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha-dapoli-3.2-backup.sql this command and it did nt throw any error 08:35 saa shall i now just run webinstall 08:35 saa or index first 08:35 cait i'd runt he web installer first 08:35 cait it should update now your database, instead of offering sample files etc. 08:36 saa right it says updating from 3.01 to 3.14.04 08:37 cait not bad so far then :) 08:38 magnuse paul_p: could/shuld bug 5439 just be closed? 08:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 3M RFID sensitization 08:38 saa [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4003. [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4004. 08:38 saa only threw abv two errors 08:39 saa shall i rebuild zebra manually 08:39 saa and then check 08:43 cait the errors should be ok 08:43 paul_p magnuse done, bug 5439 closed. I think there's another bug for this 08:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, 3M RFID sensitization 08:44 magnuse there is bug 2244 08:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2244 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , RFID Cataloguing and Circulation 08:44 magnuse which has some ~5 years old code from slef 08:45 cait paul_p: not sure 3M was submitted somewhere - I remember talking to hdl about it ages ago 08:45 cait paul_p: I think he pointed me to your repository back then 08:46 saa yes worked fine 08:46 saa only thing koha opac page shows old UI 08:46 cait paul_p: which remembers me - do uyou have libraries using mifare cards? 08:46 saa why it could be 08:46 paul_p cait = I don't think so. AixMarseille university uses contact-less cards, dunno if it's mifare. 08:46 cait saa: if you use trnaslations, you need to recreate the templates 08:46 paul_p cait = we made a specific branch for them. 08:47 cait saa: also coming from an old version you need to run an additional script 08:47 * paul_p dig git 08:47 cait paul_p: maybe it's similar to what we have here - maybe ask you again in marseille ;) 08:47 saa if u tell me those 08:47 cait magnuse: can you help me out with the remove... script saa needs to run? 08:47 saa my job is over 08:48 saa thx cait for all help 08:48 cait saa: the way items are stored changed between 3.2 and 3.12 - lots of things changed :) 08:49 cait saa: how did oyu install koha? 08:49 saa i installed 3.14 through packages 08:49 cait if you are using packages there shoudl be a koha-translate command for updating the templates 08:49 saa and dumped 3.2 database 08:49 paul_p cait = can't find what I was looking for (and must leave for a meeting. don't hesitate to ask alex during the hackfest. We made a branch just for aix-marseille, that we maintain 08:49 cait paul_p: i will make a note :) already have quite a list! 08:50 paul_p cait do you want me to ask our govt to declare that, from 10th to 14th, days will last 48 hours ? 08:50 paul_p :D 08:50 saa what should i use just koha_translate 08:50 magnuse paul_p: excellent idea! 08:50 saa install or update 08:50 cait look at the help for the script 08:50 cait paul_p: it would help yes :) 08:51 magnuse saa: there is a script you need to run 08:51 paul_p OK, will try. You should ask angela for the same. Maybe EU will accept ! 08:51 paul_p :D :D 08:51 saa can u pl tell me what i need to run 08:51 cait heh 08:52 cait saa: have to leave for a bit, maybe someone else can help you with updating translations and correcting item data - i think that's the steps you need to do now 08:52 magnuse saa: "sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 <instancename>" - but i have never run it after such a "long" upgrade... 08:53 magnuse also for the translations: "sudo koha-translate -u <yourlanguagecode>" 08:54 saa koha-translate -u en 08:54 saa Error: the default language (en) cannot be updated. 08:55 magnuse yeah, no use updating en, tht's the default 08:55 magnuse you have no other languages installed? 08:55 saa no 08:56 magnuse ok 08:56 magnuse forget about koha-translate, then ;-) 08:56 magnuse dud you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 08:56 magnuse ? 08:56 saa ok that means i can only see old koha opac internace 08:56 saa i am running 08:56 magnuse you have to change the syspref 08:57 saa will that help 08:57 saa what in syspref 08:57 magnuse the syspref is called " opacthemes " 08:57 cait some french around? :) 08:57 magnuse set that to bootstrap 08:57 cait i need the french term for account number in the vendor :) 08:58 cait ah never mind 08:58 Joubu cait: numéro de compte ? 08:58 cait Joubu: i am working on some enh for the layout2pages 08:58 magnuse le numeriqe accountique de la vendorique 08:58 cait but the french one is layout3pages 08:58 cait magnuse: you invented that 08:59 magnuse naaaah... 08:59 Joubu magnuse: :) 08:59 cait Joubu: bug 7267 08:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Display accountnumber in PDF 08:59 cait woudl you be interested in showing the accountnumber on the french template? 08:59 Joubu cait: yes, certainly 09:00 cait I will just add in a separate patch and you can take a look 09:01 Joubu cait: yep 09:11 marcelr hi #koha 09:11 cait hi marcel 09:11 marcelr :) 09:12 cait :) 09:21 magnuse adding a new feature that should be off by default and needs one setting (a url for a service). which is best: to have a dedicated syspref to turn the feature on and off + one syspref for te setting OR to have empty setting = feature off, non-empty setting = feature on? 09:21 cait what kind of feature? 09:21 magnuse rfid :-) 09:21 cait hm 09:21 magnuse there might be more settings needed later 09:21 cait i think smsdriver only has the url to activate 09:22 cait leave empty otherwise 09:22 cait i think if more setting, a central switch is good 09:22 magnuse i favour the two syspref version 09:22 cait if only one setting, one pref shoudl work 09:22 magnuse then you can turn it off and on without needing to re-enter the setting to turn it on 09:22 cait :) 09:23 Joubu magnuse: are you a syspref addict? :) 09:33 cait patches attached 09:33 cait hope i didn't mess up :) 09:53 cait hi petter 09:53 petter hi cait! 09:57 cait :) 10:05 cait Joubu: do you knwo in which field the edition is stored for UNIMARC? 10:07 cait field = biblio or biblioitems field 10:07 cait column 10:14 Joubu cait: no, gaetan_B maybe? 10:15 gaetan_B cait: the edition as in "énd editioné ? 10:15 gaetan_B err 10:15 gaetan_B "2nd edition" 10:15 cait i think i found it 10:15 cait 205 $a 10:15 cait and it's not mapped 10:15 cait but we have biblioitems.editionstatement - i think it could go there for marc21 and unimarc ? 10:16 gaetan_B indeed 10:22 marcelr Joubu: what did you mean with [The transaction does not work, we use 2 handlers on the same DB] in connection with bug 8007 ? 10:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management 10:31 Joubu marcelr: there are 2 handlers on the same DB: 1 handler created in C4::Context and 1 in Koha::Database 10:31 marcelr yes, and what was the exact problem 10:32 Joubu using a transaction, the 2nd handler is waiting the connexion and don't manage to execute the query 10:32 marcelr ok isee thanks 10:32 Joubu marcelr: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=24025 10:32 Joubu there is a FIXME and the end 10:33 marcelr this needs some general attention 10:33 marcelr soon 10:33 Joubu s/and/at 10:33 Joubu marcelr: yes, it is quite important. 10:37 cait gaetan_B: 205$a was right? 10:37 kivilahtio_ Could anyone help me with linux routing tables? 10:37 gaetan_B cait: yes ! absolutely ! 10:37 cait thx :) 10:38 cait now what do you think about bug 11859? 10:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions 10:38 cait gaetan_B: should i add it to the French PDF template as well? 10:38 cait i was not sure why it as left out in the first place 10:38 gaetan_B it sounds like a very good idea yes 10:39 kivilahtio_ I need to send packets from a virtual container via a specific eth4 (not the default gateway). Containers are connected by a bridge and their outbound packets are routed via an extra routing table specifying the eth4 as a default gateway, then they are NATed. I get packets out via the correct path but not the replies :( 10:39 cait gaetan_B: ok :) 10:39 cait kivilahtio_: no idea - sorry 10:39 kivilahtio_ jcamins had an idea 10:39 kivilahtio_ I hope he will be around today :) 10:41 magnuse cait: text strings in .js files are not translated? 10:41 magnuse they have to be in separate .inc/.tt files to be translated? 10:42 cait magnuse: correct 10:42 magnuse cait: ok, thanks 11:48 drojf hi #koha 11:49 cait hi drojf 11:49 drojf hi cait :) 11:56 drojf is there a roadmap for 3.16 somewhere? i can't find it on the wiki 11:59 nlegrand hey #koha! 12:08 nlegrand naive question: I just made some profiling with http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf/ with Bulac Koha, it's rather usefull to see what is taking time. I'm about to document it inside Bulac documentation site, but maybe it's worth an entry in the Koha Wiki? 12:12 petter nlegrand: I've also been profiling with NYTprof lately (fantastic tool btw!) 12:12 petter I'd love to see more activity on this 12:12 petter It's very interesting to see where most time is spent 12:13 petter For example, I thought database-calls where the most expensive, but it turns out in usually takes more time to parse XML and generate marc objects 12:13 petter So, please share your finds! 12:16 nlegrand ok ! 12:20 jcamins kivilahtio_: I don't have any idea how to fix your problem, sorry. I was just telling you that I have a multi-homed server. 12:30 ashimema deffo share your finds nlegrand.. profiling is really suefull to us all 12:32 kivilahtio_ jcamins: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 12:35 cait French speaker around? gaetan_B? 12:36 tcohen morning #koha 12:37 cait Joubu: ? :) 12:37 cait matts: :) 12:37 cait do you have a second? 12:38 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=20432 < if you look for 'published by' you see it has not been translated 12:38 cait i could add the translation , but not sure what it shoudl be 12:39 cait same for the Page 1/1, Page 1/2 it prints 12:40 matts hey cait, no problem 12:41 matts published by => publié par 12:41 cait cool 12:41 cait and Page? 12:41 wahanui Page is too big? 12:42 matts Page is page :) 12:43 cait oh! 12:43 cait ok :) 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:18 francharb Hi #koha oleonard 13:30 cait thx matts :) matts++ 13:30 matts thx cait for pointing that out and fixing it :) 13:37 oleonard khall around? 13:37 khall yo 13:38 oleonard I think the permissions for course reserves are a little wonky and I wanted to run it by you 13:38 oleonard I think it should be possible for a staff member to view course reserves in the staff client even if they don't have edit/delete/manage permissions 13:38 oleonard Does that sound right? 13:39 khall hmm, let me take a look 13:44 khall oleonard: I cannot view course reserves if I have no permissions. Do you think librarians should be able to view courses even if they modify them? 13:45 oleonard Patrons can view course reserves in the OPAC. Why shouldn't librarians be able to view them in the staff client? 13:45 khall oleonard: that was my thought exactly 13:46 khall is there a bug filed for this already? 13:46 oleonard No 13:50 khall oleonard: I'm working on a patch right now 13:50 oleonard Great, thanks! 13:50 khall np! 13:57 khall oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11866 13:57 huginn` 04Bug 11866: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Staff side course reserves too restrictive 14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:18 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -10.6°C (8:18 AM CST on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 14:20 oleonard khall++ 14:23 magnuse hm, trying to figure out what happens when i click on the tabs below the checkin/checkout/patronsearch etc box 14:24 magnuse i thught it was jquery onclick, but it doesn't seem to be 14:24 magnuse anyone got a clue? oleonard? 14:24 oleonard What do you mean magnuse? What are you trying to do? 14:24 magnuse not sure my phrasing of the question is good... 14:25 magnuse when i click on the "check in" tab, i want to be taken to the check in page 14:25 magnuse not give focus to the check in field 14:25 khall I believe it uses jquery ui tabs, right? 14:25 oleonard That's right khall 14:26 magnuse how is my clicking on the "check in" tab bound to the "show the check in box" action? 14:26 oleonard Somewhere in the jQueryUI library JS 14:26 magnuse s/box/field/ 14:27 magnuse but what triggers the binding? 14:28 magnuse ah 14:28 magnuse <a href="#checkin_search">Check in</a> 14:28 magnuse href="#checkin_search" is interpreted as "give focus to the "#checkin_search" div 14:29 magnuse i thnk i got it, thanks oleonard khall 14:29 khall np! 14:34 oleonard Wanting to charge your patrons for their own overdue notices is a great #123 example. 14:34 oleonard @quote get 123 14:34 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/ 14:34 huginn` oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:39 magnuse hm, what's a good name for the things yu click on to show different tabs? are the things yu click on called tabs? or do they have a separate name? 14:40 oleonard I would call them tabs, although the ones for check out/check in are not styled like tabs in their off state. 14:40 magnuse ok 14:41 magnuse so if i were to give an id to the tab tht says "check in", "checkin_tab" would be a good candidate? or are there other suggestions? 14:41 oleonard That seems reasonable to me 14:41 magnuse cool 15:27 talljoy y ears ack 15:31 mveron Hi #koha 15:31 mveron The community website seems to be down... 15:31 mveron http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koha-community.org 15:33 cait hm seems to happen more often at this time of thed ay 15:33 cait is that possible? 15:33 cait but really early morning in nz? 15:34 cait mveron: could I interest you in testing a few patches? :) 15:34 mveron cait: Why not? :-) 15:34 cait 11828 15:34 cait bug 11828 15:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add German PDF template for orders in acquisitions 15:35 cait once you have a few orders to work with it's quite fast to test 15:35 cait you can print the same pdf group all the time 15:35 mveron Ok, I'll have a look... 15:36 cait it's a dependency tree 15:36 cait but this is the one to start testing with :) 15:40 cait mveron: thx - no hurry 15:40 cait mveron: just not so many german testers availalbe :) 15:41 cait is it only me or does low bug numbers with patches make you extra happy? :) 15:41 cait oleonard: the z39.50 was oold :) bug 1047 15:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration 15:41 oleonard I know, and the fix was so simple 15:42 cait it's good it's gone, that's the most important 15:42 cait we should do some looking at old bugs sometime 15:42 cait maybe some more are easy now 15:42 cait TT made a lot of things easier 15:46 tcohen @later tell eythian I took 7234 after a discussion about that in the koha-es list, using debconf dialogs might belong to a new bug i guess 15:46 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 15:49 oleonard Oldest open bug: Bug 444 15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do) 15:49 oleonard Oldest open non-enhancement: Bug 766 15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template 15:51 cait hm 766 could fall that TT category 15:51 cait i had take a quick look, but was not sure how to start a while ago 15:53 oleonard When I saw the patch for Bug 1047 I thought 1047 was a typo the number was so small 15:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration 15:56 cait :) 15:57 mveron cait: 11828 looks fine, will sign it off later in the evening 15:57 tcohen jcamins: would you agree on the defaults for bug 7234? 15:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf 15:58 drojf is there a reason why the koha-remove command doesn't delete the zebra register files? 16:00 drojf oh there is a bug for it ^^ 16:09 cait mveron: thx! 16:09 cait mveron: i have more ideas for improvement, but trying a step by step approach 16:10 cait mveron: there are also bugs linked adding the account number/Kundennummer and edition and publication year 16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63d7386ed00f73be837a57aeb12d75c6893ca0bd> / Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd089028b8c5e8f2b15ed2d41ce79bb37873662d> / Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha ne 16:20 oleonard Having trouble with git fetch again. "read error: Invalid argument" 16:20 oleonard gmcharlt: Do you know what that means? 16:21 gmcharlt hmm - paste your .git/confg, please? 16:24 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git config (minus other remotes, branches, etc)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144 16:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ce0848fe35814f2324a8e3d59b3c04f061a858b> 16:37 gmcharlt oleonard: to rule out the possiblity that you were colliding with me pushing to master, could yuo try a fetch now? 16:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #366 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:39 oleonard It's working now, thanks 16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1647 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:03 * cait cheers gmcharlt on :) 17:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha 17:10 tcohen hi mtompset 17:10 mtompset Greetings, tcohen! 17:10 tcohen i've just updated the ubuntu packages wiki 17:11 mtompset oh? how so? 17:11 tcohen would u take a look at the "initial configuration" section? 17:12 tcohen there where some variables missing 17:12 tcohen and I also put an real life example 17:12 tcohen so people knows what are those variables for 17:12 mtompset I don't like putting in a real life example, because people will try to use it to get Koha running. 17:12 mtompset I do like the extra text you added. 17:13 tcohen well, myDNS.com was an unexplained real-life example too :-P 17:14 mtompset I would leave the blue boxes with "bad" examples that generate a working example if they don't think. 17:14 mtompset But add further explanation around it for those who actually read. 17:14 mtompset (which we know people don't do) 17:15 mtompset Not to mention the comment does say "# Change this to be your domain." ;) 17:15 tcohen we need to explain how the URL is built (hence the example desired configuration) 17:16 tcohen OTH I don't care which the example is 17:17 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. But we shouldn't break the "just cut and paste the blue boxes to get something working" philosophy. ;) 17:17 tcohen i've just attached a patch for 7234, so they'd find a file with different sample configuration 17:18 tcohen and notice they need to read :-P 17:19 tcohen mtompset: just made it more generic 17:22 mtompset Could we set the memcache stuff to 'no', and leave them as comments with a statement about setting to yes and using these? 17:25 mtompset Also, did you notice Appendix A? 17:34 cait bye all 17:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #366: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/366/ 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined 17:36 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates 17:36 tcohen mtompset: tl;dr, just leave a simple understandable way of setting it 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined 17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table 17:52 gaetan_B bye! 18:00 mtompset tcohen: Okay... revised some more. Comments? 18:01 tcohen i'd prefer USE_MEMCACHED="no" instead of commenting it 18:06 * cait waves 18:07 tcohen hi cait 18:07 cait hi tcohen :) 18:13 mtompset So, all three uncommented, tcohen? 18:14 mtompset Ah, okay... that's fine with me. 18:23 mtompset Greetings, cait. :) 18:23 cait hi mtompset 18:26 mtompset How goes the kitten rescuing? :) 18:29 tcohen yes, fixed them already and also adjusted the appendix to match the new options too 18:29 tcohen mtompset: have you looked at the bug i mentioned about this very same problem? 18:30 mtompset 7234? 18:31 mtompset what bug is that, tcohen? 18:31 tcohen 7234 18:31 tcohen (i.e. packages don't provide a sample koha-sites.conf file, it was filled by jcamins a long time ago) 18:32 mtompset I just commented on it. 18:32 tcohen oh :-D 18:32 mtompset I was hoping that eythian had gotten around to his idea. 18:32 tcohen i think that belongs to another bug actually 18:32 mtompset That is: debconf questions to populate the initial koha-sites.conf 18:32 gmcharlt 443 strikes me as an even better default port ;) 18:33 gmcharlt (admittedly, that opens up the inconvenience of dealing with certs, eiither paid or self-signed, so please consider this comment purely a digression) 18:34 mtompset gmcharlt: Yes, I agree. However, dealing with certs is beyond Koha's line of responsibility. 18:35 gmcharlt that's too strong of a statement, IMO - having the installer go so far as to generate certs is a no-go, but having it nudge people in directions that make for a more secure installation is not beyond the realm of discussion 18:37 cait +1 18:40 tcohen generating them during instance creation should be straightforward 18:40 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. The difficulty becomes not causing the former while attempting the latter, and doing it in a way that doesn't create an insurmountable installation for testing purposes barrier. 18:40 gmcharlt actually, yeah, it would be straightforward enough; one could always stuff them under /etc/koha/sites/FOO/ssl 18:41 wajasu was i correct about 11573. any comments. maybe we should yank logic in perl code that builds the viewable description into accountlines up into the template if the context is all there. [% IF accounttype = 'Rent' ... format accordingly. 18:41 gmcharlt the problem is that 99% of the time you'll want a non-self-signed cert 18:42 gmcharlt wajasu: in general, +1 to moving purely presentation logic to the templates 18:46 mtompset Yes, to the non-self-signed cert. And to those who want that, they'll likely have the technical skill to tweak the Apache configuration accordingly. 19:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1647: SUCCESS in 2 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1647/ 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 19:07 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined 19:07 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined 19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table 19:17 tcohen gmcharlt: would you agree on the defaults I chose for bug 7234? 19:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf 19:19 oleonard Is it possible to temporarily remove a branch from consideration for the holds queue? 19:19 * cait thinks 19:20 cait you could change the holds settings? 19:20 cait for the itemtypes... or the branch transfer configuration? 19:24 cait i think there is no gereal switch 19:29 * pianohacker is hungry for some gereal now 19:30 reiveune bye 19:38 oleonard Here's a fun bug: Place a hold on a title. Delete all the items from that title. Assuming you don't know who placed the hold, how do you remove it? 19:38 oleonard If you click the holds tab for the title you get a message which says "Cannot place hold: this record has no items attached." 19:38 oleonard ...but no list of existing holds. 19:39 cait hm 19:39 cait not sure if the bug is at the end 19:39 cait i think you should not be able to delete the items in the first place 19:40 mtompset gereal, pianohacker? 19:49 cait mveron++ thx 19:49 mveron cait: Welcome :-) 19:50 cait did you see bug 7267? ;) 19:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Display accountnumber in PDF 19:50 * cait is mean :) 19:51 mveron http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/?query=mean 19:51 mveron :-) 19:52 cait that's a long list 20:07 Brooke o/ 20:21 oleonard What's up Brooke? 20:27 wizzyrea oleonard: pretty certain there is no situation in which you should be able to delete all items if there are reserves on a title. 20:27 wizzyrea at the very least, librarians should be told that there are reserves, and do you want to also delete the reserves when you delete all items 20:28 gmcharlt if all of the items get damaged, you may have to delete them regardless 20:28 gmcharlt but yeah, the librarian should be given the option to cancel teh requests 20:28 gmcharlt (or not cancel them, if they know that they'll shortly be ordering replacements) 20:29 wizzyrea if you choose "no, I don't want to delete all reserves" the items aren't removed. In that case, either the library should order a replacement and make an on-order item 20:29 wizzyrea no, that's what they should do. They should order a replacement or they should delete the reserves. 20:30 wizzyrea ideally, the borrower who placed the reserve should get an email "this reserve was removed because <item was damaged>" or "Something happened at the library, contact them for your options" 20:30 wizzyrea but that's ideal 20:30 oleonard My librarians were just asking for an automated way of sending a message to the patron: "Your hold was cancelled because you didn't pick it up" 20:37 wajasu when i was testing some fines code, I noticed some code updated an existing accountline accounttype from FU to F. maybe when making apayment or writeoff, is that a known hack? don't know why it would need to be changed, unless its an accrual hack. 21:06 oleonard Bye #koha 21:11 rangi pianohacker: http://brackets.io/ <-- might be useful for your future :) 21:11 pianohacker rangi: ooh good point. Will definitely recommend to anyone not using Vim 21:36 eythian hi 21:37 cait morning eythian 21:53 mveron Oh it's late. Good night #koha 22:34 francharb bye all 22:37 talljoy ck 22:40 IsaacB Could someone check if bug 11612 should be assigned to product koha-security? It appears to be, albeit a minor one, a security concern 22:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 404 error page for Intranet may leak information 22:43 wizzyrea doesn't seem like it's the sort of thing that needs ultimate secrecy to me. 22:43 IsaacB that's what I figured 22:45 dcook Nice catch though. 22:48 eythian hmm, it is a borderline one, but probably minor enough that it can go through the regular process. 22:49 cait good night all 22:49 dcook night cait 22:49 dcook See you in the morning ;) 22:49 cait :) 22:49 cait travelling tomorrow :) 22:49 dcook :o 22:49 dcook Well, have a good trip! 22:49 dcook And a good sleep 22:49 dcook And a good weekend! 22:50 cait thx 22:50 cait you too 22:50 eythian bye cait 22:51 IsaacB It looked like setting needsauthentication=1 on the 404 and other pages would work to prevent the interface from being shown, but it seemed 404.pl doesn't accept login, so the login box it shows is broken.