Time Nick Message
00:26 pianohacker Thank goodness, that was disorienting
00:26 rangi heh
01:28 eythian 3.12.11 packages uploading
01:30 dcook eythian++
04:47 brendan_ hey bag
04:47 bag hey there brendan_
04:47 bag :P
04:48 dcook Wha?
04:48 dcook :p
04:55 bag heh
04:55 brendan_ thought you'd like that one dcook
04:56 bag my daughter deletes my irc connections when I leave the laptop open at home - so I have too many connections here... realized on was on as both :P
04:57 dcook hehe
04:57 dcook Not that there would be anything wrong with having two bags
04:59 bag that's my bag -- -- baby
04:59 bag or something like that
04:59 dcook :p
05:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha bag dcook
05:05 bag heya
05:05 dcook hey mtompset
05:05 wahanui i heard mtompset was catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:05 mtompset Still true.
05:25 eythian http://xkcd.com/1335/ <-- meeting scheduling helper :)
05:27 dcook Hmm, surprisingly accurate
05:52 cait morning #koha
05:53 mtj hi cait
05:54 mtj hey peeps, does anyone run memcache on their koha?
05:54 mtompset Not I.
05:54 mtompset Morning, cait.
05:54 mtompset Greetings, mtj.
05:54 mtj i think i've spotted a weird fwrk bug, with memcache
05:55 mtj hiya mtompset
05:55 mtompset Would that be related to Memoize::Memcached?
05:55 bag morning cait
05:56 mtompset Because, as a sidenote, tcohen just took over maintainence of that. :)
05:56 bag hmm mtj I think we have memcache on two of our servers iirc
05:56 mtj my hunch is that after fwrk is modified, the new fwrk is not cached correctly
05:57 mtj ie: i edited a fwrk, saved it, checked the database ok… but after that - the old fwrk settings are still showing in the fwrk editor
05:58 mtj specifically changing the 'hidden' value of a subfield
05:59 cait mtj: we don't
05:59 mtj looks like its an unreported bug
05:59 cait mtj: that's correct, you need to wait long or restart i think
05:59 cait ah
05:59 cait i only knew it took a while for the changes to show up
06:01 mtj ok ok .. so there is a deliberately long cache timeout, for the fwrk stuff
06:01 * mtj makes some stuff up… :)
06:03 cait mtompset: i commented on the patron import bug - i think your csv is no longer utf-8
06:03 cait or never was, not usre, but cutting off the characters is exactly what it does when you feed a file with wrong encoding... i have been there and Excel is very annoying about that
06:03 mtompset ms excel doesn't give me good options.
06:03 cait no not at all
06:04 cait i switched to libreoffice
06:04 cait much better
06:04 cait you can choose the separator, choose to have "" and choose the right encoding
06:04 mtompset I thought about saving as unicode .txt and renaming
06:04 mtompset but that barfed on import.
06:04 eythian mtj: I just this minute set it up on some servers I'm building.
06:06 cait hm
06:06 eythian and that was the last thing I had to do, so time to go I think.
06:06 cait try using an editor - if you are using windows notepad++ is really nice
06:07 mtompset how can I take a [dos] file and make it utf-8 in linux?
06:07 eythian ASCII is UTF-8.
06:07 eythian but if you have accents and things, then you'll have issues.
06:08 mtompset vi shows me the csv file just fine.
06:08 mtj ta eythian
06:08 eythian vi can be a bit too smart sometimes though
06:12 cait morning ashimema
06:12 dcook You scared 'em, cait!
06:13 eythian jeez cait
06:13 cait Germs!!!!
06:13 wahanui i heard germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
06:14 * wajasu just read the bug 8190 logging saga
06:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Add a logging module to Koha
06:14 eythian germs
06:14 eythian wahanui: germs
06:14 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
06:14 eythian that's better
06:18 cait germs?
06:18 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
06:18 cait germs?
06:18 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
06:18 cait aha.
06:18 cait eythian: i thought you wanted to leave? :)
06:18 eythian I have left already.
06:19 mtompset THERE! Thanks, cait.
06:20 cait mtompset: it's working now? :)
06:20 mtompset I got it showing diacritics properly now. Yes.
06:24 cait cool
06:27 mtompset There signed off.
06:27 mtompset That took too long. :(
06:33 cait it sometimesdoes
06:53 mtompset Well, I better get sleep. I have a meeting -- today.
06:54 cait sleep well
06:54 mtompset Silly question... 3.15.00.018 -- what if it fails, and the system updates to 3.15.00.019. How will the 18 ever be reattempted?
06:56 cait you'd get a message it failed
06:56 mtompset I don't like those types of upgrade steps.
06:56 cait and it won't get reattempted
06:56 cait on update it looks at the version in your database
06:56 wajasu bug11369 need signoff patch might need its status changed because bug10952 is in master.
06:56 cait then attempts all databaes updates from that version to the top
06:57 cait and you get the page that tells you about errors and what succeeded
06:58 mtompset good point, wajasu.
06:58 mtompset Okay.
06:58 mtompset Anyways... sleep.
06:59 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha cait wajasu eythian dcook.
07:00 bag night night
07:08 cait @later tell francharb - could you take a look at bug 11842? I wonder if I remember correctly how this used to work
07:08 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
07:08 cait good night bag :)
07:10 sophie_m hello #koha
07:11 cait hi sophie_m
07:21 dcook night all
07:21 wahanui goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
07:32 reiveune hello
07:40 cait hi reiveune
07:40 cait hi ashimema
07:40 reiveune salut cait
07:41 cait hi matts
07:41 cait and... bbl :)
07:41 matts hi !
07:56 Joubu hello #koha
07:58 ashimema mornin' cait
07:58 ashimema mornin' Joubu
08:12 ashimema @later tell cait, any idea's why bug 8962 got left behind.. I'm looking to do similar, but wondered whether the history meant anything.
08:12 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:16 kivilahtio hello Joubu!
08:23 huginn` GERMS!!!!
08:23 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
08:23 cait good morning #koha
08:25 cait ashimema: cait, won't work when you want me to get a message ;)
08:25 cait bug 8962
08:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8962 enhancement, P4, ---, mathsabypro, Needs Signoff , Create a new index for OPAC simple search, more specific than "any"
08:28 ashimema ?
08:29 cait you did a cait, when leaving me the later earlier
08:29 ashimema why not?
08:29 cait i just saw it in the logs
08:29 cait i didn't get it :)
08:29 ashimema ok.. am i being thick then.. how's it work?
08:29 cait @later tell ashimema without the comma
08:29 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
08:29 cait @msg cait,
08:29 huginn` cait: I suck
08:30 cait hm yeah it was another command
08:33 ashimema ah. i see..
08:33 ashimema thanks
08:37 nlegrand hey #koha
08:39 gaetan_B hello
09:26 magnuse o meetbot log frm the second meeting yesterday?
09:26 magnuse no meetbot log from the second meeting yesterday?
09:27 cait hm i think there was one
09:27 ashimema I was reading it this morning as it happens..
09:27 ashimema had to refersh the meetings page a few times for them to come up
09:27 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_IRC_Meeting,_February_25,_2014 ?
09:28 magnuse ah yes, shift+refresh fixed it
09:28 magnuse thanks
09:28 ashimema http://meetings.koha-community.org/2014/
09:28 ashimema :)
09:29 Joubu Does someone know where a date is automatically set to "9999-12-31" using the interface?
09:30 gaetan_B Joubu: i think this is what happens when you debar a patron without specifying an end date
09:30 Joubu gaetan_B: no the date is set to NULL
09:31 Joubu because the following script:
09:31 Joubu use Modern::Perl;use Koha::DateUtils;my $date = '9999-12-31';my $dt = dt_from_string( $date, 'iso' );say output_pref({ dt => $dt });
09:31 Joubu is executed in... 25sec!
09:32 Joubu and it is how the KohaDates TT plugin works
09:32 Joubu So if we try to display this date, the page will be really looong to be displayed
09:33 gaetan_B Joubu: so, not in the interface but i think this is the date that will be set when a patron is automatically debarred because he has overdues items
09:34 gaetan_B when the cronjob processes overdues and generates notices
09:34 gaetan_B and debars patrons which should be debarred after n notices according to the triggers
09:36 Joubu gaetan_B: the debarred date was set to 9999 before the patron debarment rewrite I guess
09:37 gaetan_B ok, maybe that's an old information then
09:37 cait gaetan_B: i think it might have chanced with recent development
09:37 cait dependson the version you look at
09:38 cait first debarred unlimited was 1/0 (before fines in days)
09:38 cait then it got 9999-12-31 when we changed it to be a date
09:38 cait and now it's all in a separate table i think it might be null
09:39 cait there is a recent patch from fridolin around that bug 2720
09:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned
09:41 Joubu cait: yes, this patch is quite useful to avoid the important page loading time
09:44 cait does someone remember the bug about improving translations for terms with severl meanings?
09:44 cait ah foudn it
09:45 cait bug 11285
09:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11285 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Vocabulary disambiguation
10:03 ashimema mmm, warm home made triple chocolate muffins... if that doesnt get me going on QA, nothing will.
10:04 cait lol
10:04 cait is that a hint what to bring to the hackfest?
10:04 ashimema lol..
10:05 ashimema nah.. I was hoping to bring some goodies myself.. but as hang lugage only I think i may struggle
10:05 cait it seems almost everything i could bring is als available in france
10:10 * cait hopes for norwegian easter goodies
10:13 ashimema any grs-1 to dom pro's about?
10:18 magnuse huh, when i go to check out i get "Template process failed: plugin error - KohaBranchName: plugin not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 132."
10:18 magnuse package install running 3.14.3
10:19 cait reinstall your templates :)
10:57 cait ashimema++ tcohen will be happy :)
10:59 cait @karma
10:59 huginn` cait: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (38), "cait" (32), and "oleonard" (30). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "^" (-1), and "titles" (-1). You (cait) are ranked 2 out of 99.
11:01 ashimema @karma
11:01 huginn` ashimema: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (38), "cait" (32), and "oleonard" (30). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "^" (-1), and "titles" (-1). You (ashimema) are ranked 11 out of 99.
11:01 ashimema 11th.. that's not bad ;)
11:03 ashimema with any luck galen will have a chance to look at it before hackfest.. it's cutting it tight for his deadline on qa's before this evening though ;)
11:05 cait yeah i oly managed one more this morning
11:05 cait do you have a bit more time? there is one acq bug that i think would be good to make it
11:06 cait bug 11744
11:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11744 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , cancel receipt doesn't work for one item
11:06 cait it's a first sign off via sandboxed - if the patch works we shoudl add the sign off line for marjorie
11:07 fridolin hie all
11:07 cait hi fridolin :)
11:07 cait thx for putting your patch on the separate bug :)
11:08 fridolin yep, Joubu told me it will be better for intergration.
11:08 cait also for release notes :)
11:08 cait i think
11:08 fridolin I've set to major because it has blocked one of our clients
11:09 fridolin If someone could SO http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11846
11:09 huginn` 04Bug 11846: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31
11:09 fridolin I'm also thinking about TT plugin KohaDates performance
11:10 fridolin i think it should not create a Date::Time object, it's very heavy
11:12 fridolin is there a pb with git repo ? i get "fatal: read error: Connection reset by peer"
11:17 cait fridolin: it happened a few days ago as well
11:17 cait we were not sure if it fixed itself or someone did, maybe try again in a few mins?
11:18 fridolin ok
11:26 cait hi khall :)
11:26 cait did you read about the QA stop?
11:26 khall mornin cait!
11:26 cait hm i shoudl send an email I think
11:26 khall please do
11:27 cait no more passing qa from end of day today to beginning of hackfest
11:27 cait focus on sign offs and kitten rescue
11:27 cait i will try to send an email this afternoon :)
11:27 khall easy enought. there is quite a backlog of passed qa patches, aren't there?
11:28 cait gmcharlt will try to clean out his queue before the hackfest :)
11:28 cait so we are giving him a little break without piling onto it
11:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #19 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE)
12:38 tcohen morning #koha
12:48 vfernandes hi :)
12:48 vfernandes can anyone help me building a report?
12:48 vfernandes I want a list of all 606$a of all records
12:49 vfernandes using ExtractValue the 606$a of one record are being concat in one line
12:52 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SQL report" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/143
12:52 vfernandes check my SQL
12:53 vfernandes for example if a record has one 606$a = "test" and another 606$a = "test2", the report returns a row "test test2"
12:53 tcohen vfernandes: i'd write a function to calculate it
12:53 vfernandes but I want two rows
12:54 vfernandes it's possible to write a function in Koha report modules?
12:55 francharb good morning #koha
12:55 vfernandes tcohen can you give me an example? SQL is not a problem to me :)
12:56 tcohen vfernandes: you can't. it has to be done on mysql and called from the report
12:58 francharb hi cait
13:00 francharb about the 11842, I remember having this in the past. For libraries who used memcached, we would restart the memcached server after set up changes
13:01 francharb but maybe, you asked me to look at this bug for something else ?
13:02 tcohen vfernandes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1096679/can-mysql-split-a-column
13:02 tcohen http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10808149/mysql-use-extractvaluexml-value-values-to-get-all-multiple-values-split-on
13:04 tcohen you should assume ExtractValue returns something that needs to be splitted
13:05 vfernandes yes, the problem is the delimiter
13:05 tcohen i think you can add a delimiter
13:06 vfernandes ok... let me see if a can work it out
13:15 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 marcelr hi #koha
13:18 marcelr ashimema: saw bug 9612 (no patches yet :) ?
13:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled
13:19 marcelr will be looking at that soon
13:19 ashimema Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was by design or not, so never patched it..
13:19 marcelr ok
13:19 ashimema didn't get any further responses... but it's probaly why your thouht it was broke ?
13:19 marcelr no i tried before but some time ago
13:20 marcelr time goes fast..
13:32 cait francharb: my bug was about serials, i guess i messed up the number again :)
13:32 cait bug 11843
13:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11843 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Manual subscription history doesn't seem to work as expected
13:33 cait francharb: sorry for the confusion!
13:36 fridolin I've released 3.14.4 : http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-4-released/
13:36 tcohen fridolin++
13:37 ashimema fridolin++
13:38 cait fridolin++
13:38 fridolin vfernandes : be carefull with ExctractValue on marcxml, it is not optimized and can take a lot of time on a full catalog
13:38 fridolin thanks all for your ++ :)
13:39 francharb cait, which version did you use for your testings?
13:40 cait master as of yesterdaya
13:40 cait hm today actually
13:40 cait i ran into it when i tested a patch for the missing status this morning
13:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.14.x build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.14.x/19/
13:41 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.14.04 release
13:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Update release notes for 3.14.4 release
13:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Increment version for 3.14.4 release
13:44 fridolin Jenkins says : t_db_dependent_Holds_t.Number of runned tests does not match plan. (85)
13:44 fridolin I will look at that
13:44 marcelr fridolin: Holds are always fun :)
13:45 fridolin marcelr: indeed, I fear them like death :-[
13:46 marcelr i am quite reserved about Holds, so I rather hold on to Reserves
13:47 marcelr cait: my last qa will be bug 10858 today
13:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10858 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Browse selected biblios
13:47 francharb cait, when the manual history is checked, you have a link in the planning tab to edit the history. Before, you had to edit the subscription itself to edit it.
13:48 francharb cait, is this what you are looking for?
13:48 francharb or the way the history worked?
13:51 francharb I remember it will only add what you receive (if you didnt check the manual history box) and will manage the missing issues when using the missing status. But I remember that it couldnt be reverted automatically. If, within the reveive page, you would tell that the issue is missing by mistake.
13:51 francharb The history would be updated with the information
13:52 francharb but you add to correct the mistake manually
13:52 francharb s/add/have
13:53 francharb s/have/had
13:53 francharb ahah
13:53 francharb cait, hope it helps
13:53 francharb ;)
13:57 cait marcelr: sounds good
13:58 marcelr cait: i still have one for you :) bug 11278
13:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11278 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Adjusting bulkmarcimport.pl for customization routine and verbose printing
13:58 cait francharb: not quite, marcelr fixed that bug at some point
13:58 cait francharb: my problem is that any manual additions you make will be overwritten when you switch manual history off
13:58 cait oh maybe marcelr knows
13:59 cait marcelr: i have no time today and in the evening :(
13:59 francharb cait, I would say it's a bug
13:59 marcelr not really :)
13:59 francharb I never noticed it
13:59 marcelr cait: np
13:59 cait marcel will probably not be a good place for big ones, but i hope to do some more again soon
13:59 marcelr ?
13:59 cait marcelr: i think you looked into the manual history in subscriptions once
14:00 marcelr yeah i remember just vaguely
14:00 cait bug 11843
14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11843 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Manual subscription history doesn't seem to work as expected
14:00 cait it looks like a bug to me
14:00 cait it will just delete any manual additions you made and that contradicts the hints on the page itself and how i remember it
14:00 marcelr it sure sounds that way
14:01 cait francharb: thx for taking a look :)
14:02 cait marcelr: it seems to rely heavily on regex in the past... so is my assumption correct that it would only update but not recreate/overwrite before?
14:02 cait i have to test with an older koha i think
14:04 cait Joubu: did you see my comment on bug 9016? it looks like there are sample templates for phone notices in an update - maybe we missed to add them to sample notices?
14:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for notices
14:06 rhcl @wunder 64507
14:06 huginn` rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -13.3°C (8:06 AM CST on February 26, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
14:08 rhcl Bonjour #koha
14:11 Joubu cait: yes I saw it. but since I cannot test the Talking Tech service, I prefer not to change the script.
14:12 cait Joubu: i just think we need to be careful not to break the feature
14:12 Joubu cait: I should not change the existing behavior if I did not update this notice
14:12 cait was not sure if people were aware of its existance
14:12 cait Joubu: sounds good
14:12 cait Joubu: one other thing - could the checkboxes be guided by the prefs activating it? like only show sms if an sms driver is entered into the pref?
14:13 cait it's how we do it on the patron messaging preferences I think
14:13 Joubu cait: yes, it is manage. The existing notice "template" will be put into the email template. If no mtt is given, the email mtt is the default one.
14:14 cait maybe we could also check phone mtt for those? not sure if it would change the behaviour
14:14 Joubu cait: yes, sounds consistent, I am going to submit a follow-up.
14:14 cait Joubu: i think they shoudl have been added to the sample notices
14:15 Joubu cait: I don't really know when phone is used
14:15 cait but iam not sure why that wasn't done
14:15 cait Joubu: you can tell from the lettercode i think
14:15 cait it's all _PHONE
14:16 cait I saw HOLD OVERDUE PREDUE at least, it seems to be a bit of a mess as usual
14:16 Joubu cait: not really, the letter code is "*_PHONE" for now, but it should be moved into the phone mtt of the overdue notice
14:16 cait hm?
14:16 cait I thin it's ODUE_PHONE
14:17 cait i guess email is ok
14:17 marcelr Joubu: if i want to delete a message type, should I do it on the command line ?
14:17 marcelr sorry transport type
14:18 marcelr (lazy question)
14:18 Joubu marcelr: yes, there is no way to remove them from the interface
14:18 marcelr quick reply
14:18 marcelr thx
14:18 cait there are prefs that could guide the visibility
14:18 marcelr cait: i had some comments in that direction
14:18 marcelr you saw them probably
14:18 cait but it might be that you want to prepare a letter without activatting the feature yet
14:18 cait not sure if that might happen
14:19 cait yeah, have been thinking about them
14:19 marcelr or just deactivate at some point in time for some time
14:19 cait TalkingTechItivaPhoneNotification and SMSDriver
14:19 cait we could have an alert or grey out... but i think it's not totally bad if you can add something that won't work immediately because needs more configuration
14:20 marcelr could be confusing
14:20 cait that's how it is now as well
14:20 cait you can have a hold_print notice
14:20 cait well you will have it
14:20 bag good morning
14:20 cait but wihtout configuing the cronjob it won't ever do osmething
14:21 marcelr the standard should not be what we have now (remember the technical debt discussion :)
14:21 cait we put the templates there, but what is used when seems mostly to be configured elsewhere in the system
14:21 cait oh i remember it well :)
14:21 marcelr true
14:21 marcelr the second meeting appeared to be different from the first
14:25 cait yeah, different atmosphere
14:26 Joubu cait: ok, it looks the "phone" mtt has been introduced at the same time that the TalkingTechItivaPhoneNotification pref. So it looks consistent too to hide the "phone" mtt if the pref is disabled. But I will certainly create a new report for that.
14:27 cait Joubu: thining about it - I am not sure hiding will be good as you can't configure it without activating then... which might be confusing. Maybe we should leave everything visible and put a note that more configuration is needed?
14:27 cait So you can prepare all your messages and the sample notices are shown nicely with all the available mtt
14:27 Joubu cait: in the tools/letter.pl or overduerules.pl?
14:27 Joubu or both
14:27 cait like we could have sample notices for sms in the future - extra short ones and it could look weird
14:27 marcelr and do we need a form to configure the mtt in general (not via command line please) ?
14:28 cait oh, i was thinking tools
14:28 cait but similar for overdues maybe?
14:28 cait marcelr: i think better not tinker with them
14:29 cait i mean we should always ship with all available mtt, so people can see what can be done
14:29 Joubu cait: So I mark checkboxes (in overduerules.pl) and div (in letter.pl) as disabled?
14:29 cait I remember when the mtt tables were not part of the mandatory sample files and half the time people didn't know why things were not working
14:29 marcelr well some way to disable them or so
14:30 cait Joubu: i wonder how people will configure - will they want to configure everything and turn on the pref last, or turn on the pref when configuring everything else?
14:31 cait maybe it's good to have the checkboxes all open and then when you are done you can switch on the pref that will activate and start sending out the messages
14:31 Joubu cait: it is how it works with the patches I think
14:32 cait i didn't want to interfere really :(
14:32 cait just made me thinking and i had strted to look at the bugs a bit - it's an interesting feature
14:33 vfernandes how to solve this HTTPS problem: [blocked] The page at 'https://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=9534' was loaded over HTTPS, but ran insecure content from 'http://books.google.com/books?bibkeys=0631183159&jscmd=viewapi&callback=KOHA.Google.gbsCallBack': this content should also be loaded over HTTPS.
14:33 vfernandes ?
14:34 ashimema totally different
14:34 Joubu marcelr: In my opinion, adding a mtt management page will be confusing: There will be prefs to enable/disable, mtt to enable/disable and checkboxes to enable/disable (for overdue and patron preferences). Don't you think?
14:35 oleonard vfernandes: Sounds like you need a fix for Google like the one for Amazon in Bug 10944
14:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https
14:44 marcelr OK Joubu: I will not start about this form again :)
14:45 marcelr Joubu: just fasten your seatbelt for my comments on bug 10868,,
14:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10868 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Use new DataTables include in catalog templates
14:45 marcelr oops wrong number
14:45 marcelr bug 10858
14:45 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10858 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Browse selected biblios
14:45 marcelr that is better
14:48 cait marcelr++ :)
14:54 marcelr cait: no qa's until Galen cleared the queue ?
14:55 cait you can still qa until tonight
14:55 cait i will try to send out an email when i am finished with the ticked i am working on
14:56 cait marcelr: he said end of today i think, and galen's day ends later than ours - so as long as you want today shoudl work
14:57 marcelr no this was my last one for today, but are we waiting for galen to continue again?
15:01 Joubu thanks marcelr!
15:05 cait marcelr: i think he might start tomorrow, when the deadline is over
15:06 marcelr yes, i was trying to guess when he finished :)
15:06 marcelr nobody knows
15:14 oleonard marcelr: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_Bootstrap_OPAC_LESS_files
15:15 marcelr oleonard: thx; note that it could be expressed more clearly on the wiki page
15:16 marcelr everybody reads diagonally these days
15:16 oleonard ?
15:17 oleonard That page is a description of the process. It doesn't reflect any decisions by the RM or community about official procedures
15:17 marcelr but we expect one to compile himself?
15:18 oleonard At this time yes
15:19 marcelr oleonard: the text on the page now on bootstrap is too long actually; it wraps to the second line showing up not very nice
15:20 cait maybe something for another dev meeting?
15:20 oleonard marcelr: In your opinion should it be up to the developer to do so or should it be left to the RM?
15:20 marcelr both the category and the permissions line
15:20 marcelr oleonard: i think the RM should say the developer, and i would like to know too as QAer
15:21 oleonard I don't understand what you're saying.
15:21 marcelr well two discussions going on at the same time
15:22 marcelr the first one is about the wrapping lines on the bug 10865
15:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10865 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Don't show list permissions when adding public lists/sharing lists is not allowed
15:22 marcelr the second is the compile stuff
15:22 marcelr i would say let the developer compile
15:23 marcelr you would be the one often i guess :)
15:23 oleonard I would like to not be the *only* person submitting updates to the OPAC ;)
15:23 marcelr agreed
15:24 cait maybe make it easier?
15:24 cait hm
15:24 oleonard As for long lines, I see that as a problem to be addressed in someone's chosen editor
15:24 jcamins What's wrong with long lines?
15:24 cait I was thinking we could just add the css in a separate patch, and maybe have compilation done by QA...
15:25 cait but i haven't figured out yet how to do it
15:25 kivilahtio Hello everyone! I have some gruesome issues with Ubuntu networking I have been trying to solve for over a week now. Our server has two NICs (static IP, eth1 and eth4), each pointing to a separate network region. Then I have two bridges containing virtual guests, in subnets 10.0.2.0/24 and 10.0.3.0/24. The issue is in directing all inbound and outbound traffic from 10.0.3.0/24 via eth1 and from 10.0.2.0/24 via eth4. Also the subnets must not be
15:25 kivilahtio able to directly communicate, but the TCP packets must travel via an external firewall. Somehow I managed to route the traffic using separate routing tables. I am verifying the traffic is leaving the proper NIC and branded with the proper IP, but I can't get return packets through :( This is killing me. This solution http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html brought me closest, but the section for inbound traffic is outdated. Is what I
15:25 kivilahtio am trying to achieve even possible?
15:25 marcelr cait: QAers do not compile less files..
15:25 marcelr :)
15:26 marcelr jcamins: nothing wrong with a long line if it displays nicely
15:26 kivilahtio do you have any ideas where I could ask for guidance regarding the matter?!
15:27 jcamins marcelr: never mind, I finally figured out what the two conversations were about. :)
15:27 kivilahtio I have zero issues when using the default gateway, I can nat/port forward properly, but when the second NIC with strict outbound rules are added to the mix it get really nasty
15:28 jcamins kivilahtio: maybe an IRC channel for Linux networking?
15:28 banana yes!
15:28 kivilahtio jcamins: know of any?
15:29 jcamins kivilahtio: no, but I'm sure they exist.
15:29 jcamins Arch has an IRC channel. Not that this helps, but there is one.
15:29 kivilahtio also ubuntu community
15:30 kivilahtio ok I'll try there. But I am starting to think this actually might be something which is impossible given Ubuntu 12.04
15:32 jcamins kivilahtio: it's certainly possible, because I have Ubuntu servers set up with ethernet cards attached to two distinct physical subnets.
15:33 jcamins But I didn't do anything special. I plugged them in, set the IP addresses, and routes, and was done.
15:33 kivilahtio jcamins: could you take a look at the route script I have?
15:34 jcamins Not at the moment, sorry.
15:34 kivilahtio 8 line
15:34 kivilahtio 8 lines :) ok
15:35 oleonard marcelr: What would you like to see happen to 10865 with regard to the design?
15:42 kivilahtio Heres the routing script anyway, if someone accidentally takes a peek at it http://pastebin.com/T2QE96h7
15:45 fridolin have a nice day/night
15:55 gmcharlt cait: I would appreciate your thoughts on bug 11849
15:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11849 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , consolidate display of analytic/bound-width analytic item links
16:02 matts cait, I guess i've just the submitted the shortest patch in koha's history :)
16:03 cait one space is to beat matts? :)
16:03 matts one single character :)
16:03 cait not bad :)
16:03 matts It's even a feature patch, not a cosmetic one !
16:03 cait gmcharlt: let me take a look
16:04 cait matts: ok, that's getting close to record - which bug?
16:04 matts cait, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11850
16:04 huginn` 04Bug 11850: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Bulkmarcimport does not append in logfile
16:05 gmcharlt matts: and it might get the quickest transition to In Discussion, too ;)
16:05 matts ^^
16:05 gmcharlt i.e., auto-appending to log files is not a universal preference :)
16:05 matts not universal but most common, don't you think ?
16:06 gmcharlt nope, I don't think that, actually
16:06 matts really ?
16:06 matts I would be angry at my apache if it did trash the logs every time it started
16:06 cait i think the fines.pl can do a log... probably overwrites
16:06 cait thinking of other examples
16:07 gmcharlt there's a difference between how a daemon and a batch job script manages log files, typically
16:07 gmcharlt and bulkmarcimport is no daemon
16:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #363 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:09 gmcharlt to be clear, I'm not opposed to the /option/ of appending to logs
16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11746 [QA Followup] display edit item link only if user has permission to edit... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8ad1e6928ed424ae127bfac870d00fae7ea180a> / Bug 11746 - Add edit item links to record details page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8b7e635e01175bcb4c90777ee3e080d4301db79>
16:10 matts hmm, that would make my patch the shortest no more... :)
16:11 gmcharlt heh
16:11 matts but maybe an option could be an idea, yes
16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1645 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:16 cait matts: you will be at the hackfest right?
16:17 matts cait, yep !
16:17 cait :)
16:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10751: standardize validation of title in staff purchase suggestions form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=59b9078a3f7cf240bd814ee611e8f553d043491e>
16:40 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11707: fix editing additional attributes for patron whose category code includes... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=521d7173720b4acbf4ecf40ed114520d500c5f6a>
16:52 * magnuse waves from a hotelroom in oslo
16:52 * cait waves at oslo
17:03 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #363: SUCCESS in 55 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/363/
17:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11746 - Add edit item links to record details page
17:03 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11746 [QA Followup] display edit item link only if user has permission to edit items
17:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add edit item links to record details page
17:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #364 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11819 - Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8ebfa4702e2492388b6f60a11921a8ab69d677b> / Bug 11768: Show patron cardnumber in OPAC personal details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2345dc12d8cd6f80164fce3a2a846613da44fc50>
17:40 wajasu how would i create a barcode file. aka bug 11253
17:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed
17:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11809: don't display 'Clear date' on OPAC patron details form if date of birth... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=234560a690c78ef7723f15c0cb31f0497d073988>
17:43 magnuse wajasu: scan brcodes into a file? or create a report that justs selects barcdes from the items table
17:52 tcohen bye #koha
18:03 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #364: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/364/
18:03 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10751: standardize validation of title in staff purchase suggestions form
18:03 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11707: fix editing additional attributes for patron whose category code includes a space
18:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Title should be mandatory for creating suggestions in staff
18:03 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11707 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Additional attributes broken for category code with space
18:08 reiveune bye
18:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #365 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:12 wajasu gmcharlt: does the bug 10012 you signed off just need its status changed to signed off?
18:12 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10012 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Remove all traces of NoZebraIndexes
18:12 wajasu i'm working through needs signoffs
18:13 gmcharlt wajasu: no, it needs an independent signoff
18:13 wajasu ok
18:14 gmcharlt I'm perhaps a little idiosyncratic in attaching a git signoff to all of my patches, but that signfiies that *I* believe in 'em, not that somebody else has looked at them yet :)
18:14 gmcharlt however, I do need to obsolute the earlier patch
18:15 gmcharlt had rebased but neglected to obsolete the earlier one
18:16 wajasu the 1st comment mentions 3.6-3.12. i don't see NoZebraIndexes im my master. does this patch apply to master only? or ?
18:17 gmcharlt it applies to master and should backport cleanly to 3.14
18:17 gmcharlt given the minor nature of the problem, there's little reason IMO for it to be backported further
18:18 wajasu right
18:20 gaetan_B bye!
18:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1645: SUCCESS in 2 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1645/
18:30 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11746 - Add edit item links to record details page
18:30 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11746 [QA Followup] display edit item link only if user has permission to edit items
18:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add edit item links to record details page
18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #1646 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:47 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:47 mtompset gmcharlt++ # thanks for the feedback.
18:47 magnuse hiya mtompset
18:48 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
18:48 bag cait you around?
18:49 mtompset magnuse: Congratulations on the silver placing for Norway. :)
18:49 magnuse bag: nope she left a litle while ago
18:49 magnuse mtompset: huh?
18:49 bag yo magnuse
18:49 bag HI
18:50 magnuse yo bag!
18:50 mtompset magnuse: second overall in the olympics... I know they are done.
18:54 magnuse :-)
19:00 mtompset @karma gmcharlt
19:00 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 39 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 39.
19:01 mtompset gmcharlt++ # because 39 is too low. ;)
19:04 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #365: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/365/
19:04 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11768: Show patron cardnumber in OPAC personal details
19:04 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11819 - Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions
19:04 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11809: don't display 'Clear date' on OPAC patron details form if date of birth is required
19:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11768 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Show patron cardnumber in opac personal details
19:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11819 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions
19:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11809 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC patron details form shouldn't show 'Clear date' if field is required
19:06 druthb @karma
19:06 huginn` druthb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (40), "cait" (32), and "oleonard" (30). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "^" (-1), and "titles" (-1). You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 99.
19:07 druthb @karma druthb
19:07 huginn` druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
19:09 magnuse druthb!
19:09 druthb magnuse!
19:09 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
19:10 druthb My favorite Norwegian giant!
19:10 magnuse :-)
19:19 mtompset http://youtu.be/pBuFZ-jxC8s?t=28s (The Friendly Giant)
19:22 mtompset I guess it's a Canadian show. :)
19:56 wajasu dang.
19:58 wajasu khall_away: can you rebase bug 7595
19:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7595 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add branchcode to accountlines
20:04 magnuse wajasu++
20:16 wajasu khall_away: also rebase bug 7572
20:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7572 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Clubs & Services Feature
20:19 oleonard wajasu: Set the bug status to "patch does not apply" if it needs a rebase
20:19 wajasu ok
20:21 * wizzyrea waves
20:21 wajasu for bug 11573 does this require me to test against the 3.12 tag or master?
20:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
20:22 oleonard jcamins: How is Bug 10404 supposed to affect the biblio edit and item edit screens?
20:22 gmcharlt new features are almost invariable meant for master
20:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10404 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Add previous/next browsing to staff client search results
20:22 wajasu ok
20:23 jcamins oleonard: you should be able to change from the item edit screen, I think, and after saving a biblio you're editing, you should be able to change from the detail view.
20:24 oleonard Ah, so the context is supposed to pass between them
20:24 jcamins Yeah.
20:25 oleonard I completely missed that aspect of it, so I never tested to see if it worked. Missing from the test plan ;)
20:25 jcamins Sorry.
20:26 jcamins I can check and confirm that.
20:26 jcamins But not right now.
20:27 oleonard It works as you describe
20:28 jcamins Ah. Good. That's how it worked when I tested it.
20:28 oleonard Oops, maybe not completely. "return to results" from the item edit screen didn't work for me just now.
20:28 oleonard I'll keep testing and file a bug if necessary
20:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1646: SUCCESS in 2 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1646/
20:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10751: standardize validation of title in staff purchase suggestions form
20:34 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11707: fix editing additional attributes for patron whose category code includes a space
20:34 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11768: Show patron cardnumber in OPAC personal details
20:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11819 - Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions
20:34 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11809: don't display 'Clear date' on OPAC patron details form if date of birth is required
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Title should be mandatory for creating suggestions in staff
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11707 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Additional attributes broken for category code with space
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11768 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Show patron cardnumber in opac personal details
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11819 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions
20:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11809 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC patron details form shouldn't show 'Clear date' if field is required
22:08 mtj hey rangi, got a tic for a quick Q, re: memcache and fwrks…?
22:10 mtj kf mentioned yesterday, that there may be a known issue where memcache stores an outdated copy of the fwrks
22:12 mtj i vaguely remember the problem being discussed , perhaps 2 years ago… but cant be sure :)
22:12 mtj anyone else recall this…? ^^
22:24 * cait waves
22:27 * magnuse falls asleep
22:34 francharb bye all
22:36 * dcook waves belatedly to francharb_afk
22:51 cait bag: ?
22:52 cait you were looking forme?
22:54 cait mtj: looking at the logs :) i meant that one of the things i thought were annoying was that it didn't refresh the cache after changing something in the frameworks, you had to wait a longer time or restart memcache :)
22:55 dcook That IS rather annoyinh
22:55 dcook annoying*
22:55 mtj hi hi
22:55 mtj ah, ok.. gotcha
22:56 mtj so, sounds like a fixable bug.. :)
22:57 wajasu bug 11573 might need discussion. if someone could comment on what status I should make it
22:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11573 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , change description of charges in account fines
22:57 mtj just have some code that wipes the fwrks from memcache, after a save_frameworks() call...
22:58 mtj …that should force memcache to get fresh copy from mysql
23:00 cait not sure why it wasn't done
23:00 cait it sounded like it was more complicated
23:00 cait maybe check bugzilla - should hide some secrets about caching
23:01 cait night all
23:01 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
23:01 mtj already checked, there is none
23:01 mtj cya cait
23:02 mtj fyi: BobB logged a new bug for this.. -> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11842
23:02 huginn` 04Bug 11842: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , MARC framework editing is broken when memcache is enabled
23:03 mtompset Has the guard changed already?
23:20 mtj mtompset, yeah.. you just missed them :)
23:32 mtj woo, looks like the memcache/fwrk bug is fixed in master and 3.14 :)
23:33 eythian hi
23:45 mtj hey eythian...
23:45 wahanui go back to bed, eythian
23:46 mtj meh, i cant recreate the fwrk bug on my test 3.12
23:47 mtj thats a bit quirky