Time  Nick        Message
23:37 dcook       night tcohen
23:37 tcohen      night everyone
23:37 tcohen      gmcharlt++
23:10 wahanui     the saddest thing is http://ur1.ca/9x67k
23:10 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
23:10 wahanui     ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
23:10 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
23:10 wahanui     ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
23:10 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
23:10 wahanui     the saddest thing is http://careydraws.tumblr.com/post/74224444875/written-in-the-bones-new-comic-written-by
23:10 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
23:10 eythian     yeah, itanium sales figures were pretty sad
23:10 wahanui     the saddest thing is http://ur1.ca/cxl9a
23:10 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
23:08 wizzyrea    jesus that *is* the saddest thing.
23:06 wahanui     okay, eythian.
23:06 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://careydraws.tumblr.com/post/74224444875/written-in-the-bones-new-comic-written-by
23:06 wahanui     i think the saddest thing is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png
23:06 eythian     wahanui: the saddest thing
22:52 eythian     heh "Greatest Hit (...And 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs) - Dream Theater"
22:39 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11579: Show ordernumber in basket.pl tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a8bbccf9c2ff93d1d7b2ce71dc8d26e5e3109f5>
22:34 mtompset    lego sets, lego bricks, lego blocks, lego creations, etc. ... never legos. :)
22:28 francharb   ;)
22:28 francharb   see ya
22:28 francharb   on this essential note, I wish you a good day/afternoon/evening/night
22:27 francharb   hummm
22:21 eythian     http://i.imgur.com/rvYK59U.gif
22:16 wizzyrea    being plural with an s
22:16 wizzyrea    "the company forbids it"
22:15 wahanui     well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
22:15 jcamins     INteresting.
22:15 wizzyrea    not the first time.
22:15 eythian     http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:lego#Mass_noun <-- ah, it just seems that the US is wrong ;)
22:14 eythian     jcamins: I'd say "too much lego" in that case
22:13 wizzyrea    if you play with your lego, then you only have one, in my mind.
22:13 jcamins     As would I. Or, "no one can have too many legos."
22:09 * wizzyrea  would say go play with your legos
22:09 mtompset    So I suspect it is.
22:09 mtompset    You don't say, "Go play with your Legos."
22:07 * eythian   wonders if lego is a mass noun. I tend to think it is.
22:07 wizzyrea    why would you jump on a pile of legos
22:07 eythian     it's not been a problem yet.
22:07 * eythian   shrugs
22:06 mtompset    anyone? Isn't that a bad thing (tm)?
22:05 wahanui     OK, eythian.
22:05 eythian     wahanui: ouch is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/SjElkzG.gif
22:04 eythian     anyone can edit the topic
22:04 mtompset    eythian++ # using his powers for good. ;)
21:55 tcohen      4
21:54 eythian     I don't know when the next meeting is though
21:54 mtompset    Or 3.14.x?
21:53 tcohen      Can someone change 3.14.0 for 3.14.2 in the IRC channel heading?
21:52 mtompset    eythian++ # that ± is cool. :)
21:51 tcohen      eythian++
21:50 wizzyrea    Yayboo!
21:50 wizzyrea    That thing you did, it's totally neutral!
21:50 * blou      is gone fishing
21:50 gmcharlt    eythian++
21:50 gmcharlt    heh
21:50 francharb   ahahah
21:50 eythian     gmcharlt±±
21:50 francharb   you lost me
21:50 wizzyrea    ;)
21:50 * wizzyrea  had her kick command ready
21:49 * mtompset  pretends to slap someone over the head with a wet trout.
21:49 cait        don't you dare!
21:49 mtompset    I think she means something like...
21:49 francharb   trout?
21:49 francharb   wizzyrea, ^
21:48 blou        trout?
21:48 wizzyrea    just as a general warning.
21:48 francharb   ;)
21:48 wizzyrea    also refrain from employing the trout.
21:48 cait        well especially if the RM is gmcharlt :)
21:48 blou        will be late... again.  But thanks for the laugh
21:48 cait        listen to the RM!
21:48 blou        lol
21:48 francharb   ;)
21:48 gmcharlt    (now enough with the decrements)
21:48 mtompset    blou++ # for working on patches. :)
21:48 francharb   thanks gmcharlt
21:48 francharb   thanks blou
21:47 gmcharlt    francharb++
21:47 gmcharlt    blou++
21:47 huginn      francharb: Karma for "francharb" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
21:47 francharb   @karma francharb
21:47 huginn      francharb: Karma for "blou" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
21:47 francharb   @karma blou
21:47 mtompset    eythian-- # for encouraging the fighting. :P
21:47 francharb   eythian, ahah
21:47 eythian     FIGHT! FIGHT!
21:47 francharb   ;)
21:47 francharb   a -- for a --
21:47 francharb   blou--
21:46 mtompset    blou! Don't do that.
21:46 blou        francharb--
21:46 blou        i can balance it all:
21:46 eythian     how disappointing
21:46 huginn      eythian: <! has neutral karma.
21:46 eythian     @karma <!
21:45 mtompset    blou: 20/65 is okay. :)
21:45 blou        mtompset++
21:45 huginn      mtompset: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (21), "oleonard" (16), and "cait" (15).  Lowest karma: "windchill" (-2), "-" (-1), and "ie" (-1).  You (mtompset) are ranked 20 out of 65.
21:45 mtompset    @karma
21:44 blou        mtompset++
21:44 huginn      francharb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (21), "oleonard" (16), and "cait" (15).  Lowest karma: "windchill" (-2), "-" (-1), and "ie" (-1).  You (francharb) are ranked 26 out of 65.
21:44 francharb   @karma
21:44 francharb   ;)
21:44 cait        francharb++ thx
21:44 mtompset    Okay.
21:44 mtompset    Too bad.
21:43 blou        mtompset: but have to go now
21:43 tcohen      good to know
21:43 blou        shoudl be simple
21:43 cait        i will do some more tests soon - but not more tonight
21:43 blou        I started looking at it
21:43 cait        tcohen: all tests pass now
21:42 blou        tomorrow morning
21:42 mtompset    So any ETA on the revision, blou?
21:41 blou        :)
21:41 mtompset    If no pain was experienced, the system is failing. ;)
21:41 blou        NORMALLY, francharb would be faster, but he lost us into a youtube video exploration
21:41 wahanui     cait: go to bed
21:41 tcohen      cait?
21:40 blou        funny
21:40 francharb   ;)
21:40 francharb   mtompset, I let him know
21:31 tcohen      prove t/db_dependent/Search.t 2> /dev/null?
21:30 mtompset    This is a test of the blou hitting system, francharb. ;)
21:29 cait        ok, all patches applied
21:27 cait        now i get it i think, will try
21:27 cait        ah
21:26 cait        hm patch 4 doesn't apply for me
21:25 cait        and why did you make it so hard? ;)
21:25 tcohen      and then git bz apply 11096 (interactive, comment the last one)
21:24 tcohen      so, git bz apply 11096 (interactive, comment all but the last one)
21:24 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra
21:24 tcohen      the first, Bug 11096: "(follow-up) add direct regression tests"
21:22 cait        what#s the right sequence?
21:22 cait        if i create a new branch
21:21 tcohen      just apply the klast one first
21:21 wahanui     the same is true i think for some other 'hidden' things, like hiding lots or damaged items by pref
21:21 tcohen      the same
21:21 cait        hm less patches?
21:18 tcohen      apply the last one, and then the first
21:18 tcohen      cait: you can now run the tests :-D
21:15 francharb   bye oleonard
21:14 oleonard    Bye #koha
21:14 francharb   cait, email me if you need explanations on the serial module ;)
21:10 cait        i am not sure i understand you as tired as i am, but le tme know when i can start testing again :)
21:10 tcohen      when I rebased galen's tests patch, I (don't know how/why) removed the sample files
21:08 * jcamins   blames the trade deficit on tcohen, gets elected.
21:07 cait        oh?
21:07 tcohen      its all my fault
21:07 tcohen      sorry cait
21:07 tcohen      hahahahaha
21:07 tcohen      I removed them!
21:06 gmcharlt    hmm
21:06 gmcharlt    er...
21:06 tcohen      heh, i remember seen them in a patch from you!
21:05 tcohen      gmcharlt: where did your big sample records go?
21:04 cait        and i guess the libraries will like it when we update - if i manage to be able to epxlain it unti lthen :)
21:04 cait        i am getting more used to the new way
21:03 francharb   :)
21:03 francharb   I like the XXX date better as well
21:03 francharb   And thanks for spotting it
21:03 francharb   cait, sure!
21:02 cait        francharb: yeah, but we shoudl fix it
21:01 francharb   ;)
21:01 francharb   cait, I will just confirm what you said. Your explanation is clear enough for someone who used both versions
21:01 eythian     hi
21:00 francharb   for sure, we lost something but, to me, the benefit of this develpment is worth it
21:00 cait        i am not sure my explanation works well, so having someon else explain is a win :)
20:59 cait        thx :)
20:59 francharb   I will
20:59 francharb   yes
20:59 cait        could you add a comment maybe?
20:59 cait        well not good, but i am not going crazy
20:59 francharb   cait, good catch, you're right. the way it works is different now for the irregulars subscriptions. Koha doesnt display XXX but the first issue publication date
20:53 cait        i think someone told me it was useful for loose leaf things as you don't know exactly when updates will arrive sometimes
20:52 cait        oleonard: and i meant i file_d_ a bug - 11637
20:52 francharb   i see what you mean
20:52 francharb   cait, i'm going to test it
20:51 francharb   yes
20:51 cait        could you take a look at 11637?
20:51 francharb   Tell me. Whats your question?
20:50 francharb   ahah
20:50 cait        you are a serials expert
20:50 wahanui     francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
20:50 cait        oh francharb
20:50 cait        oleonard: files a bug
20:49 francharb   :(
20:49 wizzyrea    something about this newest version of wordpress is very server-unhappymaking
20:48 wizzyrea    I'll check on it.
20:47 francharb   I cant access it from here
20:47 francharb   is koha-community.org down?
20:47 francharb   hi all
20:46 cait        for irregular it looks like the date is always today
20:45 cait        according to the help page which is a bit outdated now
20:45 cait        Without periodicy: some very specific (usually high level science  journals) don't have a true periodicity. When you subscribe to the  title, you subscribe for 6 issues, which can arrive in 1 year... or 2...  There is no regularity or known schedule. 	Unknown select this if none of the other choices are relevant
20:45 cait        well we lost 2 options from frequencies we used to have
20:45 cait        oleonard: understandable
20:44 * oleonard  tries to avoid serials if he can
20:43 cait        oleonard: i thik irregular doesn't seem to work like it should
20:40 tcohen      (more isolated)
20:40 tcohen      my intention is to have a function that is easier to write unit tests to
20:40 cait        oleonard: so this opens a bigger question i guess. hm.
20:39 gmcharlt    C4::Record is OK; Koha::Util::MARC might be better, though
20:38 tcohen      i recall you told me we had C4::Record to handle local stuff (that MARC::Record is not intended to handle)
20:38 tcohen      is it reasonable to put new_from_zebra :: ZOOM::ResultSet -> MARC::Record into C4::Record?
20:37 cait        i know it worked in the old serials module
20:37 cait        oleonard: i wonder if the XXX is still an option with the new frequencies
20:37 gmcharlt    hi tcohenwhat's up?
20:36 tcohen      gmcharlt: around?
20:32 * wizzyrea  will test that one
20:31 oleonard    Leading zeros or all letters, take your pick!
20:31 wizzyrea    that probably explains why it worked for me.
20:30 wizzyrea    ohhh good catch on the leading 0's causing that "can't remove course instructor" thing
20:29 oleonard    http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Serials.pm;h=81fa86c604e07c3957234b51327af750e89a0bb8;hb=HEAD#l430
20:28 cait        i think we had 2 options in the past... and then it would show the date as xxx
20:28 cait        but that does not seem to work like it used to
20:28 cait        i thought it was an irregular subscriotion
20:26 oleonard    It looks like it appears on one of the tabs if you have data which isn't connected to a year? But I'm not sure how to create the data to trigger it.
20:25 cait        is that possible?
20:25 cait        oleonard: i have seen the manage sometime somewhere... i think on one of the tabs
20:24 mtompset    wizzyrea: Oooo... a pretty staff client too.
20:22 cait        oleonard: maybe i can, let me try
20:20 mtompset    oleonard: Yes, based on what has been said about the two options, 2 looks better to me.
20:16 wizzyrea    rather we'll have an excuse to make it better now
20:16 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11576 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Untranslatable "manage" in serials-collection
20:16 oleonard    paxed: I'm curious whether you were able to trigger Bug 11576 in the interface or whether you simply noticed it in looking at the code.
20:16 wizzyrea    right ok, so if we go ahead and do 2, it will suck less to upgrade
20:15 oleonard    wizzyrea: 2 are required in Bootstrap 3, optional in Bootstrap 2
20:15 wizzyrea    i.e. class="btn btn-default"
20:15 wizzyrea    oleonard: with bootstrap 3 you have to have 2 classes on all buttons anyway, right?
20:13 smrt        dang. so i guess two different logins belonging to two different libraries are required. ok thanks.
20:13 oleonard    That isn't possible smrt
20:12 smrt        hi does anyone know if a staff patron can belong to two different branches?
20:09 janPasi
20:01 oleonard    Option 2 means making incremental changes to all staff client pages adding Bootstrap style elements to all buttons.
20:00 oleonard    No Bootstrap style for anything other than toolbar buttons.
19:59 oleonard    Option 1 keeps things status quo
19:57 mtompset    By btn class only being the one type of buttons?
19:56 mtompset    How would option 1 accomplish the ability to style differently?
19:55 mtompset    Yes, but I don't really understand the differences?
19:54 cait        mtompset: i think oleonard proposed a solution on the mailing list
19:54 oleonard    It shouldn't be a matter of "some may wish to style differently," it should be a matter of "This is our style guide for the user interface and it lays out the rules everyone can follow with ease"
19:54 cait        oleonard++
19:54 mtompset    So how do we do that with the least amount of pain?
19:53 mtompset    Okay, so some people may wish to style differently.
19:53 oleonard    A submit button finishes something, completes a step.
19:53 oleonard    An "action" button starts a new process, initiates something.
19:52 oleonard    Maybe not everyone cares. I think it is useful to style buttons differently based on their category: submit button vs. "action" button for instance.
19:51 mtompset    oleonard: The button email... I have a question. Why do we care where the button is in order to style it?
19:51 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11614 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Untranslatable label_element_title in label management
19:51 oleonard    The translation issues with the label creator area total mess. (Bug 11614 etc)
19:38 mtompset    oleonard++ # thanks for the sign off. :)
19:33 druthb      Ferengi is there too, as is Tengwar.
19:32 druthb      yes.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConScript_Unicode_Registry
19:31 druthb      hm.  'sec, I'll look
19:31 rhcl        druthb: ah, ok then. So is there a character set for Klingon? This actually came up as a discussion topic on a list I monitor for schools and libraries. And you being the expert on such....
19:30 druthb      ooo.  I like that idea.
19:29 mtompset    Is there like a Sailor Moon transformation sequence with that. ;)
19:29 mtompset    ooooo... automagically.
19:29 cait        :)
19:29 druthb      and the "away" is set automagically by my bip server when no client is connected to it. :D
19:29 druthb      lunch with Le Boss, yes.
19:21 rhcl        long lunch probably
19:21 rhcl        so it would seem
19:19 oleonard    rhcl: I guess when druthb is away she really means it.
19:02 huginn      rhcl: druthb was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 22 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <druthb> wahanui:  botsnack cookie
19:02 rhcl        @seen druthb
19:02 rhcl        helpful
19:02 huginn      rhcl: druthb_away was last seen in #koha 2 years, 6 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <druthb_away> loading bibs now...gonna go stir up some breakfast! :D
19:02 rhcl        @seen druthb_away
18:17 tcohen      we are having our honeymoon in late march
18:17 tcohen      but she's working actually
18:17 tcohen      of course
18:16 mtompset    spending time with the new wife?
18:16 tcohen      going to buenos aires in a couple of weeks
18:16 tcohen      doing stuff at home, visiting friends
18:16 tcohen      mtompset: yes
18:16 mtompset    Is your vacation a stay-cation?
18:15 mtompset    Greetings, tcohen.
18:13 tcohen      hi #koha
17:45 mtompset    liw++ # bad, but good pun.
17:43 liw         I expect koha-community.org to be hosted in the cloud, so presumably it is pretty moist there
17:37 huginn      rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
17:37 rhcl        @wunder koha-community.org
17:37 wahanui     rumour has it koha-community.org is actually updated and right
17:37 rhcl        koha-community.org?
17:11 reiveune    bye
16:57 mtompset    Greetings, oleonard. :)
16:57 oleonard    http://i.imgur.com/dJrPK3d.gif
16:57 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
16:55 rhcl        it's broke in Missouri
16:47 oleonard    http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koha-community.org
16:45 JesseM      I think the Koha Community website is down!
16:39 oleonard    It happens when JavaScript interprets a string of numbers as an actual number and ignores leading zeroes.
16:31 kf          sounds like a consistent bug :)
16:26 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11534 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , impossible to remove instructors on course reserve
16:26 oleonard    Bug 11534
16:26 oleonard    Oh that's not in patron lists it's in course reserves. Only the same problem is in patron lists!
16:24 oleonard    Isn't there a bug report for the problem where a patron can't be removed from a patron list?
16:08 Oak         :)
16:07 * Oak       loved <div id="oh"></div>
16:06 * Oak       loved http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bootstrap_OPAC
16:06 Oak         it's awesome work man.
16:06 oleonard    That was me, thanks to KohaCon hackfest giving me some work time and inspiration.
16:04 Oak         whoever did that, i'll hug you when we meet.
16:03 Oak         the part about the boilerplate media queries, and the divs code to show the grids (with the intranet preferences name mentioned, where to paste) is very very very well thought out.
16:03 Oak         that bootstrap wiki page is extremely useful.
16:02 Oak         i can help in any way possible.
16:01 oleonard    Documentation, primarily.
16:01 oleonard    Thanks. I'm feeling a little neglectful about it... several follow-up things I should be doing for it.
16:00 Oak         :)
16:00 Oak         oleonard++
15:59 kf          oleonard++
15:59 kf          Oak: thx :)
15:59 oleonard    Yes
15:59 Oak         one of the guys behind it i mean/
15:58 Oak         oleonard, the responsive stuff in OPAC is awesome. You must be behind it?
15:57 huginn      oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -12.4°C (10:44 AM EST on January 29, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -18.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Rising).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon EST today... 
15:57 oleonard    @wunder 45701
15:55 Oak         not yet.
15:55 huginn      Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.9°C (4:55 PM CET on January 29, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
15:55 Oak         @wunder Konstanz
15:55 Oak         i'll remind you go home when it's time :)
15:54 Oak         ah isee.
15:54 kf          someone else took it, but seems he/she is not around on the server rightnow:)
15:54 kf          ah
15:54 cait        not at home :) i had to switch nicks
15:51 Oak         cait at home. how are you?
15:50 Oak         hello druthb. good to see you.
15:50 Oak         she is 2.5 years old. i think.
15:50 Oak         oh hey guys. my niece came to my room and... well.
15:49 Oak         :)
15:40 wahanui     :)
15:40 druthb      wahanui:  botsnack cookie
15:40 druthb      Hi, Oak! :)
15:40 cait        Oak :)
15:37 wahanui     hello cait are you here?
15:37 Oak         hello cait
15:37 * Oak       waves
14:22 cait        paul_p: around?
14:11 * druthb    waves back.
14:10 * oleonard  waves to people waking up
13:33 oleonard    http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koha-community.org
13:32 oleonard    Oh no, again?
13:32 sophie_m    is http://koha-community.org/ down ?
13:32 sophie_m    hello
12:59 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , OPAC search results in 404 error when the only search result is supressed
12:59 oleonard    Is Bug 11489 signed off or isn't it? Both patches appear to have a signoff, but the status doesn't say so
12:36 oleonard    Hi #koha
10:57 ashimema    anyone know how rangi's work on elastic search is going.. not heard much for a while.
10:07 petter      good day
10:07 petter      Godday koha!
08:42 matts       hi wahanui
08:42 wahanui     hey, matts
08:42 matts       hello
08:28 nlegrand    Hey #Koha !
08:27 alex_a      bonjour
08:21 gaetan_B    hello
07:36 reiveune    hello
06:48 wahanui     goodnight dcook. You'll be back.
06:48 dcook       night all
06:48 * dcook     is off to get a passport photo
06:48 dcook       hey bshum
06:30 * cait      waves back
06:30 * dcook     waves to cait
05:07 dcook       That might get around some of those proxy issues that I've been mentioning recently on Bugzilla..
05:07 dcook       Hmm, just learned about the Apache directive "ProxyPreserveHost"
04:16 bwagman     thank you for your help though. very much apprechiated.
04:16 bwagman     Ok. I understand
04:16 bwagman     At some point I found a Virtual Appliance of Koha. I was never able to properly install it on my own.
04:15 eythian     your best bet would be to find someone local who can look at your setup and tell you what you need to do, it's very hard to give advice like that without knowing a lot about how you have things.
04:15 bwagman     I am not skilled with command line. I am good with a graphical interface
04:14 bwagman     what would we need to connect a server at a private location (home) and connect it to our website
04:14 eythian     well, more specifically, you need a server you have root access on generally. Making it work on a shared server would be very very hard.
04:13 bwagman     oh ok/
04:13 eythian     bwagman: not really, you need a real server to run it from.
04:13 bwagman     Hello. We are a small nonprofit currently unable to physically host Koha and connect it to a website for the OPAC feature. Is there a way to install this on our website server? We are using a shared hosting GoDaddy account. Please email me at brandonwagman@rainbowserenity.org Thanks!
04:10 wahanui     OK, eythian.
04:10 eythian     wahanui: trying to install koha on windows is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/VONyQVW.gif
03:54 Oak         hello wizzyrea
03:54 Oak         kia ora #koha
03:54 Oak         oh man, he leaves before I am able to say bye.
03:52 wizzyrea    later :)
03:52 mtompset    Have a great day, #koha Oak eythian dcook wizzyrea jcamins :)
03:13 eythian     heh
03:12 dcook       eythian: It's like this troubleshooting is an adventure :p
03:03 eythian     he is a bit
03:03 dcook       He is rather bad ass
03:02 dcook       I hear Christopher Lee
03:02 dcook       Esmerine to Rhapsody of Fire
03:01 dcook       Album at random!
03:01 dcook       Hmm, don't see too much of that one
02:56 eythian     in this case, "Dark Wings of Steel" because I apparently haven't heard it before.
02:56 eythian     I tend to go for albums for this sort of thing.
02:55 dcook       eythian: Any particular song?
02:54 pianohacker Okay, I'm dead. I need to head out.
02:54 * eythian   doesn't think it's an Iron and Wine sort of day. I think Rhapsody of Fire will do instead.
02:52 mtompset    (Starting with Joy)
02:52 mtompset    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjgdmmpFeu8&list=UUzEOgPvZv8BZjVkfmwjtpAQ&feature=share
02:51 mtompset    That's laid back.
02:47 dcook       Or at least my playlists..
02:47 dcook       Iron & Wine really doesn't blend well with other music on a playlist...
02:29 pianohacker back
01:49 wizzyrea    enjoy :)
01:48 pianohacker bbl dinner
01:48 pianohacker oh hai :)
01:48 wizzyrea    ooo
01:48 huginn      pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
01:48 pianohacker @later tell wizzyrea CC'd you on bug 11211, finally have a patch to test if you're interested.
00:58 pianohacker jcamins++
00:58 pianohacker holy balls. I now understand all of this, but Perl just got a lot weirder.
00:58 jcamins     Right. When in a pm.
00:57 pianohacker so, for that particular case, $whatever creates one and only one closure the first time the module is loaded?
00:56 jcamins     http://paste.koha-community.org/101
00:55 jcamins     (in pm files only)
00:55 jcamins     The problem is...
00:55 jcamins     That will work.
00:54 pianohacker jcamins: That's the heart of the problem, correct?
00:54 pastebot    "pianohacker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Problems with closures in nested named subroutines" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/100
00:50 * jcamins   agrees.
00:50 pianohacker ... and I do not think Perl could have made this any more confusing
00:50 pianohacker jcamins: I think I understand. Just trying to confirm, as I wish to add no barriers to Plack on the staff side
00:49 jcamins     See the lengthy attempted explanation above.
00:49 jcamins     In a pl file, you never have to use our.
00:48 pianohacker eythian: ok, thanks
00:48 eythian     pianohacker: it depends on what the use case is. If it's likely to be changed dynamically, I'd go for the hash. Otherwise probably the if for readability.
00:47 pianohacker jcamins: So if I'm using anonymous subs, I don't even have to use our?
00:47 jcamins     (i.e. "no, this does not apply to anonymous subs in a pl file")
00:46 jcamins     I mean, you are correct, in the case of a pl file.
00:46 pianohacker grr, even anonymous subs are only compiled once?
00:46 jcamins     In a pm file, file-level scope is evaluated at compile time.
00:46 jcamins     pianohacker: not in a pl file.
00:45 pianohacker jcamins: wait, does this my/our stuff even apply to anonymous subs? Aren't they recompiled each time their enclosing scope is evaluated?
00:31 pianohacker jcamins: thank you for your help today :)
00:31 pianohacker bah, technicalities: For 6 different possibilities, do you think an if-else chain ( if ( $a eq 'foo' ) { ... } elsif ( $a eq 'bar' ) { ... etc. ) or a hash of anonymous subs is better?
00:29 eythian     OK, but can you ask me the question because I can't see it :)
00:29 jcamins     pianohacker: I'd prefer the hash.
00:28 pianohacker eythian: You know Perl quite well, so I guess I'll ask you the same question :)
00:14 pianohacker jcamins: Okay, cool. I'm beginning to think it might be worth it to just write out the silly if-else chain, as there aren't really enough options to make the hash-of-anonymous-subs trick worth it, but do you think that's a reasonable idea?
00:11 jcamins     Right, that's safe, because the anonymous subroutines you're defining are closures.
00:05 pianohacker jcamins: But if I have something basic and silly, like our $close_hour = $input->param( 'close_hour' ), so it's visible to an anonymous sub, shouldn't that be re-run every request, and not cause much memory to be lost?
00:04 pianohacker jcamins: What you said does make sense, yes :)