Time Nick Message 23:45 pianohacker quick ways to mess with your vim productivity, part 15: move your escape key 23:29 kathryn_ doot de doo... 23:29 kathryn_ accidetal fish slap! 23:29 kathryn_ OOOOOPPPPPSSSS! 23:25 wizzyrea i'm shocked. SHOCKED. 23:24 eythian there's two of her, split personality can have strange effects. 23:23 * wizzyrea did not expect kathryn_ to be the wielder of the fishbot 23:22 * dcook wonders if the exterior of a fishbot is the bot part or the fish part... 23:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:20 eythian @wunder nzwn 23:20 * kathryn_ slaps eythian around a bit with a large fishbot 23:11 ibeardslee http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/01/23/1842210/ask-slashdot-how-to-reimagine-a-library 22:37 eythian mtompset: it's almost entirely small style things rather than actual problems. 22:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility 22:35 eythian mtompset: you're up on bug 11592 :) 22:22 cait good night all 22:11 wizzyrea have fun 22:11 rhcl good luck 22:09 jcamins I'll go with the black vest purple bowtie, I think. 22:09 jcamins Well, it's time to go, happy or not. 22:08 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZUVeMtYXc 22:08 * jcamins changes cufflinks. 22:05 jcamins If I went in white face no one would think it out of place if I started singing "Wilcommen bienvenue." 22:05 jcamins lol 22:04 rhcl And make sure your shirt is monogrammed 22:04 rhcl You'll definitely need some gold cufflinks 22:04 wizzyrea that could probably actually work. 22:03 wizzyrea pretend you're james bond? 22:03 wizzyrea put on your debonair face? 22:03 jcamins There must be a way to not look like an idiot. 22:03 wizzyrea omg, lol. 22:03 mtompset Just don't waddle, or you'll look like a penguin. :P 22:03 eythian :) 22:03 jcamins You anticipated me. 22:03 jcamins eythian: well done. 22:02 wizzyrea ... 22:02 eythian you'll look like a waiter now 22:02 jcamins And I'm wearing a white shirt, so I should be fine. 22:01 jcamins I found a black bowtie! 22:01 eythian Always. 21:57 mtompset The red shirts always die, jcamins. 21:57 jcamins Or a red bowtie, I suppose. 21:57 jcamins I wish I could find a black bowtie so I could wear a red vest. 21:56 mtompset As long as it isn't a RED vest, you're okay. ;) 21:56 jcamins I look like a security guard in a TV drama. 21:47 mtompset Well, it's not that bad. 21:47 mtompset read the code and weep. ;) 21:47 eythian excellent 21:47 mtompset As far as I know. 21:47 wahanui rhcl: bugger all, i dunno 21:47 rhcl wahanui: do you know Emma the Catbot? 21:47 eythian mtompset: so, now everything going out the OPAC is run through a nice central filter? 21:46 eythian mtompset: ah yeah, that's another good place to catch. 21:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix typo... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a6aed95d3de225cef5701d92521ea166f679cea> 21:46 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:46 eythian no wahanui, be human is <reply>\I got 98% in \my last Turing test! 21:46 mtompset DOH! 21:46 mtompset eythian: I just discovered the exporting save record piece this morning. 21:46 eythian doh 21:46 wahanui I got 98% in eythian's last Turing test! 21:46 eythian wahanui: be human 21:45 eythian rhcl: wahanui is practicing 21:45 rhcl that's quasi-sentient 21:45 rhcl Whoa 21:45 wahanui hello cait are you here? 21:45 eythian hello cait 21:44 eythian mtompset: no, it's supposed to be ironic. It means Hawaiian shirts. 21:44 jcamins Also, why don't I practice tying bowties more often? 21:44 eythian mtompset: excellent :) 21:44 mtompset Call me a literalist, but doesn't blacktie mean BLACK tie? 21:44 jcamins Vitally important question! If you are wearing a colored vest to a blacktie event, does your bowtie have to be the same color? 21:44 * cait waves at eythian 21:43 mtompset I think it's done, eythian. 21:43 wahanui hola, eythian 21:43 eythian hi 21:42 cait probably more interesting than ours here :) 21:42 wizzyrea there isn't the "saucy librarian" stereotype for nothin, you know. 21:41 mtompset Acoholic Librarians Anonymous? 21:41 wizzyrea dunno, librarians can be pretty crazy... 21:41 gmcharlt no, ALA conferences are not /that/ interesting! 21:41 cait :) 21:41 gmcharlt heh 21:41 wizzyrea well between the wet noodle lashings, the cowering, and being tied up at ALA, I see how your mind could go there. 21:40 cait might be time to sleep :) 21:40 cait hm i think i took that too literally for a moment 21:40 cait ok :) 21:40 * gmcharlt will be tied up in ALA 21:40 gmcharlt ah -- let's talk next Tuesday 21:39 * gmcharlt looks 21:39 cait did you see my pm? 21:39 gmcharlt ;) 21:39 gmcharlt right, that was it! 21:39 gmcharlt oh... 21:39 cait i think you just did it so I don't feel so bad about breaking the sorting ;) 21:38 cait hehe 21:38 * gmcharlt cowers 21:38 cait oh you broke my feature! 21:38 huginn gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source 21:38 gmcharlt huginn will explain in a moment 21:38 gmcharlt no 21:37 cait is that a religious thing? 21:37 cait ? 21:36 * gmcharlt lashes himself ten times with a wet noodle 21:15 cait i guess better not revert :) 21:15 cait as cookies are not strictly healthy... 21:15 rangi heh 21:14 gmcharlt ;) 21:14 gmcharlt happy rangi? or well-fed rangi? 21:14 gmcharlt maybe I should revert? 21:14 wahanui well, problem there is we don't have an interface for lists. 21:14 gmcharlt problem there 21:14 gmcharlt hmm 21:14 gmcharlt tcohen: I've put a Gitolite config change in place to prevent pushing non-v* tags ... which mean that rangi won't be getting cookies from you 21:14 rangi ah right 21:13 wizzyrea and we all got unregistered :) 21:13 wizzyrea naw, i think huginn logged out 21:13 wizzyrea booyah 21:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #292 added. 21:13 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:13 rangi hmm i must have logged out 21:13 huginn rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:13 rangi @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:13 ashimema wizzyrea: foiled again.. 21:13 rangi https://soundcloud.com/rocknrolla-soundsystem/ken-boothe-is-it-because-im 21:12 wizzyrea daw 21:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:12 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:12 rangi heh 21:12 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qYtubNDzw < french cheese funk 21:12 ashimema looks like i've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again.. thanks rangi ;) 21:09 wizzyrea *snicker* 21:09 rangi wizzyrea: you wanted funky cheese ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF7vnx479Gw 21:08 wizzyrea ohh that is very funky. 21:07 rangi tcohen: that works 21:07 wizzyrea cheese funky? 21:06 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7XwCsx4fs 21:05 tcohen violent funky? 21:03 rangi i proclaim it funky friday 21:02 rangi https://soundcloud.com/jeantonique/destinys-child-jumpin-jumpin 21:01 ashimema hey rangi. 21:00 rangi hi ashimema 21:00 tcohen heh 21:00 ashimema hey cait. 21:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:00 rangi @later tell fridolin tcohen confessed it was him :) all good :) 20:59 * cait waves at ashimema 20:57 rangi :) 20:55 tcohen i can blame the one who wrote the instructions anyway LOL 20:54 cait oups 20:54 cait lol 20:54 * tcohen sends cookies to rangi, as it was his second time (never thought it would happen again if religiously followed the instructions) 20:54 cait for next time you will have to send rangi cookies :) 20:53 cait tradition ... 20:53 cait i think 20:53 cait e 20:53 cait you got one fre 20:53 tcohen sorry for that 20:53 tcohen it was me btw 20:52 rangi cant hurt 20:49 tcohen rangi: would you agree we should replace "git push remote --tags branch" for "git push remote tag" in the rmaint instructions? 20:34 nengard I don't know if I did mention it here in channel 20:34 nengard most of my "memos" are on facebook and twitter 20:34 nengard I moved in October 20:34 nengard hehe 20:34 rhcl I just didn't remember seeing that memo cross my desk 20:34 rhcl cool 20:34 nengard living in an apartment for now 20:33 nengard we're building a house: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/archives/date-taken/2014/01/22/ 20:33 nengard ha 20:33 rangi she was too weird for PA anymore, so they sent her to austin 20:33 nengard and since I can work anywhere ... we moved 20:33 nengard bengard got a job here 20:33 nengard living here 20:33 rhcl nengard: are you living in Austin now or just working there temp? 20:24 nengard getting colder ... but no rain yet 20:23 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 4.0°C (2:11 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1030 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday... 20:23 nengard @wunder 78741 20:12 druthb hm. Some rather-vigorous rain going on here, and temps are falling fast. 20:11 cait np :) 20:11 talljoy yup wasn't looking there. thanks cait! 20:11 cait not much yet, but dates :) 20:11 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon14 20:10 talljoy let me look again. i was not on wiki i thinks, but on website 20:10 cait trying to find it sec 20:10 * talljoy rubs her eyes 20:10 cait second week of october i think, was on the mailing list, i think also the wiki 20:10 talljoy didn't see it on the wiki. was i in the wrong spot? 20:09 cait yep 20:09 talljoy speaking of cordoba. did a date ever get set for kohacon 14? 20:09 talljoy heh 20:08 cait it seems like eythian really really doesn't like winter 20:08 rhcl ah, you jet setters... 20:07 cait it was awesome. 20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, Philippines 20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, phillipines 20:07 rangi rhcl: eythian worked at caits work a couple of years ago, and at a desk at biblibre too 20:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 39.0°C (5:05 PM ART on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa (Steady). 20:07 cait @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 20:07 cait hm 20:06 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 20:06 cait @wunder Cordoba 20:06 cait :) 20:06 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 21.3°C (3:00 AM ICT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 20:06 rhcl @wunder Pattaya, Thailand 20:05 talljoy druthb++ 20:05 druthb There ya go. The capital of Bali province. 20:05 talljoy there.....finally! 20:05 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Denpasar / Ngurah-Rai, Indonesia is 24.0°C (2:00 AM CIT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 20:05 druthb @wunder Denpasar, Indonesia 20:04 huginn druthb: downloading the Perl source 20:04 druthb @sunder Denpasar, Indonesia 20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 talljoy @wunder DPS 20:04 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Flora Vista/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8°C (12:04 PM PST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 20:04 bag @wunder 93109 20:04 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 rhcl @wunder indonesia 20:04 talljoy oh no, where did it go? lol 20:04 cait :) 20:04 talljoy no bali? 20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 talljoy @wunder Bali 20:04 talljoy Bali....hmmmm 20:03 rangi :) 20:03 rangi topologically wellington nz is only a few more hops away than texas 20:03 rhcl Isn't Bali down there around NZ somewhere? That would be a great OL (operating location) 20:03 rangi naw, rhcl, keep working for bywater/bsz just a different desk 20:02 rangi hehe yep 20:02 rhcl ? 20:02 rhcl blatant poaching 20:02 cait rangi: got a second desk? 20:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 23.0°C (1:10 AM IST on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 20:02 druthb @wunder mumbai 20:02 talljoy nice. 20:02 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 21.0°C (9:53 AM HST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). High surf warning in effect until 6 am HST Friday... 20:02 talljoy @wunder Lihue 20:01 talljoy then again, i ought to just move to a tropical locale and never have to move. 20:01 rangi laurel got her flights to sfo for 1199$ nz return so under 1k usd 20:01 druthb $bunchteen.99 20:01 rangi there was a special on airnz 20:01 * talljoy goes to check airfare to NZ 20:01 talljoy sweet deal. 20:01 rangi talljoy: theres always a spare desk at the koha team at catalyst, you could do a trea :) 20:00 talljoy -1??? wha? 20:00 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in HADS WEST FORK TRINITY RIVER AT FORT TX US USGS, Fort Worth, Texas is -1.7°C (1:15 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady). 20:00 talljoy @wunder Fort Worth, TX 20:00 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 10.0°C (2:00 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 6 am CST Friday... 20:00 druthb @wunder 77098 20:00 druthb talljoy++ 20:00 talljoy i think i need to become nomadic and work in the southern hemisphere half the year. i can't take the cold 19:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.2°C (8:55 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 19:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:57 rhcl I'm lots more colder than magnus 19:56 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -11.1°C (1:56 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Falling). 19:56 rhcl @wunder 64507 19:53 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:30 AM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 19:53 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:53 rangi sleep well magnuse 19:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 19:53 magnuse @wunder boo 19:53 * magnuse wanders off into the night 19:53 magnuse rangi: that is kind of appropriate for this channel, though... :-) 19:50 wahanui hola, cait 19:50 cait wahanui: hello 19:50 cait hello 19:50 cait lol 19:49 bag HAHA 19:48 rangi hmm i need to fix wahanui, unless kai ora is hello in some other language .. cos in maori that means eat well, not hello 19:47 dani howdy 19:47 wahanui kai ora, dani 19:47 dani hello 19:47 * magnuse waves to dani 19:47 bag heya dani 19:46 nengard I was typing in the wrong window anyway, but glad she's joining us 19:46 nengard there she is :) hehe 19:46 rangi :) 19:46 rangi nengard: and now dani is here too 19:45 magnuse rangi: yay - way to go! 19:43 nengard Found her ... she was in our work channel :) 19:43 rangi magnuse: i particularly like my ranty session is sponsored by publishers 19:43 magnuse LibraryBox - yay! 19:43 magnuse rangi: cool! 19:42 rangi unless she chose a new nick 19:42 rangi nengard: no 19:42 nengard dani around? 19:42 rangi and we are exhibiting too and doing a short koha presentation 19:41 rangi magnuse: http://www.vala.org.au/boot-camp 19:41 huginn talljoy: The operation succeeded. 19:41 talljoy @later tell druthb ping me when you can 19:41 talljoy yes but is she here? 19:41 talljoy lol 19:41 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 19:41 talljoy druthb ? 19:41 rangi http://www.vala.org.au/conf2014 19:37 magnuse Vala? 19:36 rangi heh 19:36 kathryn_ esp after you lose your voice 19:36 rangi yup 19:36 kathryn_ yeah will need to talk a lot at Vala 19:35 rangi so rest is good 19:35 rangi well we will be talking a crap ton in 9 days time 19:35 rangi ah yeah 19:35 kathryn_ more likely a spasm 19:35 kathryn_ "take painkillers and rest it" 19:35 rangi like a pulled muscle? 19:34 kathryn_ yeah, not even to do with teeth :/ 19:34 rangi weird 19:34 rangi ahh i just read the whereis 19:34 rangi got a dentist appt? 19:34 rangi eek 19:34 gmcharlt rangi: done 19:33 kathryn_ REALLY sore jaw now 19:33 kathryn_ rangi: just sent a whereis message for work, but am staying home so can put food in a blender and talk less 19:33 kathryn_ rangi: I wish! (to both) 19:33 rangi :) 19:33 rangi or blowing off work for the cricket? 19:32 rangi miss the ferry kathryn_ ? 19:31 kathryn_ morning :) 19:30 rangi ill go clean up the tags 19:30 rangi yes please 19:30 gmcharlt shall I make it? 19:30 gmcharlt rangi: easy Gitolite config change to only allow tags/v* 19:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:30 rangi @later tell tcohen awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need 19:30 cait just nobody ever listens to me! :p 19:29 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:29 rangi @later tell fridolin awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need 19:29 cait that's what i tried to say earlier... 19:28 rangi it was either tcohen or fridolin 19:28 magnuse not me! 19:28 rangi who pushed all the tags again 19:28 rangi eeek 19:28 gmcharlt water-byers? 19:27 rangi tcohen++ 19:25 bag hey rhcl you were looking for me? 19:21 magnuse lol 19:21 * bag is a bugger to his poor dear old dad 19:21 bag my dad for my whole life has always said - I've forgotten more than you know - I was always like geezze thanks dad I must be really dumb then 19:20 magnuse sorry, i just forgot 19:20 bag or is that what I used to know and have already forgotten 19:20 bag or is that know? 19:19 bag it's dangerous what I think :P 19:19 magnuse bag: that's what you think 19:19 pianohacker I think most people at bywater just call me pianohacker anymore... 19:18 bag HA - I'll stick with Brendan :P 19:18 rangi heh 19:18 pianohacker awesome 19:18 pianohacker jesse g, jesse m, and jesse w 19:18 cait sounds like a plan 19:18 mtompset Why bywaterians? Why not bywaterites? 19:18 rangi bag will probably still answer to that 19:18 rangi cait: just call them all jesse 19:18 bag well cait and magnuse - it's really easy - you've got cute young fun pianohacker, awesomely fun JesseM and old fart annoying dood bag 19:18 magnuse yay, i get to meet some more bywaterians i have not met! 19:18 * druthb climbs into the pillow fort with lil Ginny 19:17 magnuse we must all just use last names 19:17 cait we will have to number you 19:17 bag so pianohacker = Jesse Weaver, JesseM = Jesse Maseto, and bag = this crazy fool 19:17 JesseM Yup :D 19:17 cait :) 19:17 cait confusing! 19:17 pianohacker yup :) 19:17 magnuse so 2x jesse? 19:17 magnuse ah, cool 19:17 bag magnuse: it's pianohacker, JesseM and me 19:16 pianohacker khall right? 19:16 bag druthb: just texted you some pics of the fort 19:16 magnuse bag: i'm a little confused as to who is coming to marseille - you and pianohacker and... one more? 19:15 bag druthb: ginny has room for you - she'd love it if you joined :D 19:15 mtompset I hate writing tests, but having just tweaked t/db_dependent/Biblio.t, I think standards would be a good thing! 19:14 * druthb builds a pillow fort, hides in it. 19:13 cait wrong tags/branches again? 19:13 cait hm looks like some weird git messages 19:11 cait :) 19:10 bag it's a build pillow forts with Ginny kind of day 19:10 magnuse have fun tcohen 19:09 tcohen ok, see u later #koha 19:00 magnuse consensus++ 18:58 gmcharlt then a consensus can emerge :) 18:58 gmcharlt discuss on koha-devel 18:58 gmcharlt write about writing tests 18:58 gmcharlt i.e., write tests 18:58 gmcharlt tcohen: and that's what I want to emphasize to you 18:58 tcohen and as rangi told me several times, the patches should talk for themselves 18:57 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll try to do something I can convince the RM with, don't worry 18:56 fridolin see you tomorrow 18:55 gmcharlt but it didn't end up being used by folks other than those who introduced it 18:55 gmcharlt in part, for historical reasons -- there was a time when Test::Class was used 18:55 magnuse fridolin++ 18:55 gmcharlt I'd be cautious about adopting an OOP testing framework 18:54 gmcharlt the bit about tseting behavior, not implementation, is good 18:54 cait fridolin++ 18:54 tcohen fridolin++ # I got distracted by this chat and you won this time :-P 18:53 gmcharlt of course, that's not to stand in the way of using subtests if somebody wants to 18:53 fridolin I've updated this time the symlink "koha-latest.tar.gz" on download site 18:53 rangi fridolin++ 18:53 gmcharlt fridolin++ 18:53 fridolin FYI : 3.14.2 is released, still hot :D 18:53 tcohen I think that would be the RM decision 18:53 gmcharlt IOW, a coding rule of "you always must use subtests" would be too much of a barrier, at least at present 18:53 tcohen as in Search.t 18:52 gmcharlt easier to justify as a set of tests grows in size and complexity 18:52 gmcharlt the example given in that link tacks on 7 more lines of code; not justified for a set of simple tests 18:52 cait +1 18:51 rangi so there is NO excuse for not doing it 18:51 rangi i personally want it as utterly easy and low barrier to write tests as possible 18:51 tcohen that link was just the first gogole result i got 18:51 gmcharlt I do too... but only over a certain level of complexity 18:51 tcohen gmcharlt: i personally like subtests 18:50 gmcharlt e.g., in the link tcohen provided, the example under the "Group your tests or, even better, use classes" is not great 18:50 rangi name the tests 18:50 magnuse kia ora rangi 18:50 gmcharlt +1 to more grouping, but not to the point of verbosity 18:50 cait morning rangi 18:50 rangi and yes i agree 18:50 rangi morning 18:49 * cait likes that 18:49 gmcharlt do is($foo, $bar, 'the foo is barred'); 18:48 gmcharlt i.e., never just do is($foo, $bar); 18:48 gmcharlt now one specific suggestion I have for a new guideline: every test should have a name 18:48 tcohen heh 18:48 tcohen but I'm not actually aware of "good practices" 18:48 * magnuse is a copy-and-paster 18:48 tcohen got the point gmcharlt, will try to put my 2 cents on that 18:48 magnuse +1 to all of the above 18:47 gmcharlt and +1 to cleaning 18:47 gmcharlt so if one wants to introduce a new guideline, making an implementation of it part of the proposal makes it mroe clear why it's a good idea, and gives the copy-and-pasters among us a better starting point 18:47 * cait likes how tcohen thinks ;) 18:47 tcohen then I thought it should be documented somewhere 18:47 tcohen gmcharlt: i was thinking of working on refactoring some tests (mostly cleaning) 18:46 cait ihave had a lot of people asking for some best practice exapmles for dbic 18:46 tcohen hm, not following you 18:46 gmcharlt IOW, a lot of people, for good or ill, get started by looking for an example to copy and extend 18:45 gmcharlt but I think that actually needs to be part of the process -- i.e., rather than just assert new guidelines, accompany them with patches that improve the tests 18:45 tcohen heh 18:44 tcohen then copy and pasted the wrong sample test 18:44 tcohen first time I tried to write one, I looked for the coding guidelines 18:44 cait true :) 18:44 tcohen "they ask me for tests, how do I write one?" 18:43 tcohen hmm, I think its actually the opossite 18:43 cait it's still hard to get people to actually write them 18:43 cait not sure if we should insist on too many rules right now 18:42 tcohen we should use more subtests for organizing the tests, and remove output (or at least have <> if $DEBUG; or something similar 18:41 cait thx for fixing the sorting 18:41 cait gmcharlt++ 18:41 gmcharlt well, at a start the unit tests should be subject to the same guidelines as the rest of the codebase 18:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix table sorting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cc0d7b700f27ac3bacb2964475da1f3aabbc919> / Bug 10907: DBRev 3.15.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f474c9dea10828e80dbed909e6c70904158535b6> / Bug 10907: Optionally show the staff member's name who managed a suggestion in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 18:41 cait hm like? 18:40 tcohen should we have coding guidelines for unit tests? 18:40 tcohen http://showmetheco.de/articles/2011/11/tdd-best-practices-in-perl.html 18:36 pianohacker ahhh. woo hackfest! 18:35 cait magnuse booked his tickets tomarseille and tcohen has healthy envy 18:34 pianohacker I don't actually know what we're talking about 18:34 cait ah 18:34 cait aren't you going too pianohacker? 18:34 cait hm? 18:34 pianohacker heh yourself! :( 18:33 cait heh 18:33 * tcohen has *healthy* envy 18:31 cait :) 18:31 cait woohoo 18:31 * magnuse has his tickets for marseille booked 18:23 * magnuse waves 18:03 cait gmcharlt++ 17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11486: Don't display the number of remaining renewals if == 0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=443ec407861762b8249685700e9cf18c9a9407e2> / Bug 11486: Show renewal count on 'check out' and 'details' tabs in patron record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b464eda7c39392143c4448c505312c7bb310ae92> 17:44 * tcohen thought he might have been hiding 17:44 tcohen :-P 17:44 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x 17:43 wahanui junkins is a bit lazy today 17:43 tcohen where is junkins? 17:42 cait hi tcohen :) 17:42 tcohen hi cait 17:40 * cait waves 17:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11415: DBRev 3.15.00.014 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24be6eb80eda9dee146687d5109d41430c7a8c76> / Bug 11415 (QA Followup) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6254f5f07ab84ef7d6b6518d8f39bde9987a92e4> / Bug 11415: Add syspref to toggle SCO receipt printing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cc3b69a0cf1adfc7c50c2 17:16 reiveune bye 17:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10922: (follow-up) remove display of form parameter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e276049746bf3cffc835eeee596040967b4ac9cc> / Bug 10922: Display whether prices are include or don't include tax when creating... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b56285e2250737a1a2282f2e3e8b4d0f1e0818c> / Bug 11397: Remove the itemnumber list on the Acquisition detail tab < 16:42 cait bye all 16:40 cait tcohen++ 16:00 gmcharlt tcohen++ 15:59 tcohen i'll release3.12 today with a statement on the MARC::XML upgrade 15:58 tcohen ok 15:58 gmcharlt re your second question, sure 15:58 gmcharlt re 9579, yes, but I will review the patch today first 15:57 tcohen and also: should the Search.t tests also mix "-g iso2709" and the marcxml counterpart? 15:55 tcohen is it ok that I mark 9579 3.14 instead of master? 15:51 gmcharlt yep 15:51 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 15:44 tcohen it targets the stable branches 15:42 tcohen can anyone take a quick look at 9579? 15:21 tcohen holidays++ 15:21 * tcohen just remembered 3.12.9 should be released soon 15:14 huginn rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 44 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <bag> heya gaetan_B 15:14 rhcl @seen bag 15:07 paul_p JesseM and you're right ;-) 15:07 paul_p bag told me in Reno, where we decided the dates. We choose the dates to fit pianohacker school holidays ;-) 15:06 JesseM Cant wait paul_p 15:06 paul_p JesseM yes, but I already knew, so it's not a surprise for me ;-) 15:06 JesseM Hi paul_p pianohacker is coming as well. The other Jesse :) 15:05 paul_p hi bag & JesseM & khall = so Kyle is not coming to Marseille, it's JesseM. Happy for JesseM ( & too bad for you, khall ) 15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Store anonymous search history in session 15:04 Joubu bug 10952 should fix that 15:00 chris_n tcohen: thanks, I'll try that 14:58 tcohen it happened a couple of times, the only solution was to delete the recent searches cookies 14:58 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 14:58 tcohen yes chris_n 14:57 mtompset just when you think you're done another thread unravels. 14:56 mtompset oh curses! 14:56 mtompset No, but I have seen my university friend post something about how Chrome extensions/plugins have been hijacked by adware folk. :) 14:52 pastebot "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Broswer Weirdness" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/96 14:52 chris_n has anyone seen this sort of weirdness with Chrome? 14:31 talljoy lol 14:31 magnuse talljoy: who says i'm surviving ;-) 14:26 drojf hi mtompset 14:25 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 14:25 drojf hi #koha 14:21 druthb (which, given that we are a city of four million people that only has a dozen snow plows…. ) 14:21 druthb It was all over the radio this morning, how nasty it's gonna be here. 0.1 inches of ice possible… 14:21 nengard ick! and no advisory 14:20 huginn edveal: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is -4.4°C (7:25 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1030 hPa (Rising). 14:20 edveal @wunder 79410 14:20 nengard got to love it here 14:20 nengard That's too funny .... 9.7 and we have a winter weather advisory 14:19 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 9.7°C (8:14 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday... 14:19 nengard @wunder 78741 14:19 mtompset Anyone below -18.8? ;) 14:19 rhcl that's pretty cold 14:19 rhcl -118.3°C 14:19 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -18.8°C (9:19 AM EST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 14:19 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 14:19 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 13.3°C (8:19 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am CST Friday... 14:19 druthb @wunder 77098 14:19 druthb hi, mtompset! :) 14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -18.3°C (8:18 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -18.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am CST this morning... 14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:18 mtompset if I wanted to try testing a patch in a sandbox, how would I do that? 14:17 talljoy magnuse that is ^ 14:17 talljoy magnues how are you surviving with such a drastic diet change? 14:17 Dyrcona hello! 14:17 edveal morning everyone 14:16 talljoy yo mtompset 14:16 tcohen morning nengard 14:16 nengard good morning all 14:16 tcohen hi mtompset 14:16 mtompset Greetings, Dyrcona edveal nengard tcohen talljoy. :) 14:16 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :) 14:15 * magnuse has noe eaten pizza since friday 13:49 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 13:49 druthb magnuse! 13:48 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 13:48 magnuse druthb! 13:41 marcelr o those scripts.. 13:37 magnuse maybe his scripts kicked *him* off... 13:35 marcelr i mailed him in the meantime 13:35 marcelr yeah 13:35 mtompset If he is, he is being rather quiet, marcelr. :) 13:35 huginn mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 2 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> 12k records to go. I have some other scripts I want to kick off when this is done. 13:35 mtompset @seen jcamins 13:35 mtompset Greetings, oleonard 13:23 marcelr jcamins already here? 13:22 marcelr hi oleonard 13:19 oleonard Hi #koha 12:48 marcelr cait: that is true; i checked too now 12:47 mtompset Yes, it was a local change. 12:47 cait thankfully, i got worried for a moment :) 12:47 cait was a local change 12:47 cait marcelr: the default files in the installer are not mapping 541 - i checked yesterday 12:47 mtompset And the weird thing is... the values, for the most part, never made it into the stocknumber field either. 12:46 mtompset However, that means our MARCXML has buggy 541$e entries. 12:46 marcelr is it still in the install files that way? 12:46 marcelr just remove it :) 12:46 mtompset We've corrected that. 12:46 mtompset Yes, I agree. But we had 541$e mapping to items.stocknumber. 12:45 marcelr mtompset: imo 541 should never map to items 12:45 mtompset Though, I doubt people would create a frameworkcode of YOLO. 12:44 mtompset YOLO... some people say You Only Live Once. 12:41 mtompset in marc_subfield_structure; 12:41 mtompset More specifically, why 541$e is 9 for all but the default framework. 12:29 marcelr i'll have a look at my data now 12:28 mtompset I've figured out part of our problems, and worked it through with my colleagues... but I'm still trying to understand why tab 5 vs. tab 9. 12:27 marcelr hi mtompset: you still want someone to look at the framework/541 problem? 12:21 tcohen YOLO? 12:20 fridolin hie mtompset ;) 12:18 mtompset Greeting, fridolin. 12:17 fridolin hie all 12:12 mtompset Is anyone ever going to create a YOLO framework? 12:08 mtompset YAY! 12:08 mtompset There. Wrote some tests. 12:08 tcohen hi mtompset 12:04 mtompset greetings, tcohen khall 12:04 tcohen morning #koha 11:25 mtompset slef++ # yes, the dog octopus was a nice touch. 11:24 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 11:24 magnuse slef++ for the octopus! 11:24 magnuse hiya mtompset 11:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 10:46 wahanui octopus is good raw 10:46 cait octopus. 10:46 cait slef++ 10:45 * cait waves 09:19 gaetan_B hey bag how are you doing ? :) 08:29 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 08:29 bag heya gaetan_B 08:27 gaetan_B hello 08:20 cait oh that was fast :) 08:20 bag hi there 08:20 cait bag: ping me when you are around sometime? 08:06 cait hi all, hi Joubu 08:02 Joubu hello 07:53 alex_a bonjour 07:46 cait :) 07:46 cait hi marcelr 07:44 marcelr hi cait 07:43 reiveune hi marcelr 07:43 marcelr hello reiveune 07:42 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:42 reiveune hello 07:36 marcelr hi paul_p 07:36 paul_p good morning #koha 07:36 marcelr good morning #koha 07:33 * magnuse waves 06:33 cait hm too slow 06:33 cait hae a nice evening :) 06:33 dcook have a good day, cait :) 06:32 dcook Time for me to head out too 06:31 dcook Thanks again for those explanations this morning ^_^ 06:31 dcook ta eythian 06:28 eythian bye 06:28 * eythian is now leaving 06:26 cait hi eythian and dcook 06:26 dcook yo cait 06:24 wahanui hi, eythian 06:24 eythian hi 06:23 cait hi #koha 05:11 Oak have a good night mtompset. 05:09 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 05:09 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 04:56 Oak kia ora #koha 04:53 eythian heh 04:53 dcook Bad humour doesn't translate so well to IRC...*goes back to his Apache config* 04:53 dcook "Oh dear" now, earlier wizzyrea was talking about "that guy on the listserv" :p 04:53 dcook magnuse is copping lots of flak today :p 04:51 eythian oh dear 04:48 dcook He doesn't. He explodes in the sky. 04:45 eythian I didn't know tcohen glitters. 04:43 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 04:43 dcook @later tell tcohen Listening to "Glittering Darkness" and thinking of you! 03:53 dcook cait++ 03:53 dcook gmcharlt++ 03:53 dcook Wow 64 pushed in January, go gmcharlt! 03:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11313: supply empty value in mandatory comboboxs in MARC record editors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc698eed06ec9a7335c4b94362917d2b364b44c4> 03:26 wizzyrea thanks :D 03:26 wizzyrea (also didn't want to spend the time doing a prog version of the last patch if there was a concern) 03:25 wizzyrea just wanted to make sure there wasn't some underlying concern 03:25 wizzyrea oh cool yay! 03:24 gmcharlt wizzyrea: well, now that there's a bootstrap follow-up, I'll look at it in due course 03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https 03:17 wizzyrea i had a question about the passed qa patches on bug 10944 - is there a concern there that I'm not aware of? 03:17 gmcharlt wizzyrea: whassup? 02:53 wizzyrea yowch. 02:52 eythian http://blogs.csoonline.com/network-security/2945/researcher-rewarded-33k-snatching-password-file-facebooks-server <-- y'know that MARC-XML issue. Well, it was this. 02:13 wizzyrea gmcharlt, about? 01:14 mtompset GAH! LOCATE is a MySQLism. 00:19 * tcohen is tempted but comparing to wahanui would give interesting results :-P 00:18 tcohen heh 00:14 wahanui OK, eythian. 00:14 eythian wahanui: be human is <reply>\I got 98% in my last Turing test! 00:14 eythian there isn't really a feedback loop going on with those emails, is there. 00:13 eythian heh 00:13 tcohen what I mean eythian, is that its like watching "Family guy", just random unlinked stuff 00:11 * tcohen belives answering means teaching the machines, and they will rule us 00:11 cjh heh 00:10 eythian +You 00:10 eythian 're not helping! Why is that, tcohen? 00:10 eythian The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. 00:10 eythian You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, tcohen. 00:10 eythian You look down and see a tortoise, tcohen. It's crawling toward you... 00:08 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* wouldn't pass a Turing test 00:02 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* is a bot 00:01 * dcook seems to recall needing something like 3 different pathways to a key for it to be trusted 00:01 tcohen yeah, gmcharlt mentioned the signing step when I created mine but hten I forgot to get them signed during kohacon31 00:01 dcook I've never met eythian, but I have met rangi a couple times, so I would probably sign rangi's public key, and he's signed eythian's so that's one connection... 00:00 * dcook says again having only really been researching/experimenting for 2 days 00:00 dcook Ideally, when I met you in person, we would've exchanged public keys, signed them, and uploaded them to a keyserver