Time Nick Message 00:00 dcook Ideally, when I met you in person, we would've exchanged public keys, signed them, and uploaded them to a keyserver 00:00 * dcook says again having only really been researching/experimenting for 2 days 00:01 dcook I've never met eythian, but I have met rangi a couple times, so I would probably sign rangi's public key, and he's signed eythian's so that's one connection... 00:01 tcohen yeah, gmcharlt mentioned the signing step when I created mine but hten I forgot to get them signed during kohacon31 00:01 * dcook seems to recall needing something like 3 different pathways to a key for it to be trusted 00:02 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* is a bot 00:08 * tcohen belives *shiyas1234* wouldn't pass a Turing test 00:10 eythian You look down and see a tortoise, tcohen. It's crawling toward you... 00:10 eythian You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back, tcohen. 00:10 eythian The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. 00:10 eythian 're not helping! Why is that, tcohen? 00:10 eythian +You 00:11 cjh heh 00:11 * tcohen belives answering means teaching the machines, and they will rule us 00:13 tcohen what I mean eythian, is that its like watching "Family guy", just random unlinked stuff 00:13 eythian heh 00:14 eythian there isn't really a feedback loop going on with those emails, is there. 00:14 eythian wahanui: be human is <reply>\I got 98% in my last Turing test! 00:14 wahanui OK, eythian. 00:18 tcohen heh 00:19 * tcohen is tempted but comparing to wahanui would give interesting results :-P 01:14 mtompset GAH! LOCATE is a MySQLism. 02:13 wizzyrea gmcharlt, about? 02:52 eythian http://blogs.csoonline.com/network-security/2945/researcher-rewarded-33k-snatching-password-file-facebooks-server <-- y'know that MARC-XML issue. Well, it was this. 02:53 wizzyrea yowch. 03:17 gmcharlt wizzyrea: whassup? 03:17 wizzyrea i had a question about the passed qa patches on bug 10944 - is there a concern there that I'm not aware of? 03:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Mixed content warnings in results and detail with Amazon images on https 03:24 gmcharlt wizzyrea: well, now that there's a bootstrap follow-up, I'll look at it in due course 03:25 wizzyrea oh cool yay! 03:25 wizzyrea just wanted to make sure there wasn't some underlying concern 03:26 wizzyrea (also didn't want to spend the time doing a prog version of the last patch if there was a concern) 03:26 wizzyrea thanks :D 03:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11313: supply empty value in mandatory comboboxs in MARC record editors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc698eed06ec9a7335c4b94362917d2b364b44c4> 03:53 dcook Wow 64 pushed in January, go gmcharlt! 03:53 dcook gmcharlt++ 03:53 dcook cait++ 04:43 dcook @later tell tcohen Listening to "Glittering Darkness" and thinking of you! 04:43 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 04:45 eythian I didn't know tcohen glitters. 04:48 dcook He doesn't. He explodes in the sky. 04:51 eythian oh dear 04:53 dcook magnuse is copping lots of flak today :p 04:53 dcook "Oh dear" now, earlier wizzyrea was talking about "that guy on the listserv" :p 04:53 dcook Bad humour doesn't translate so well to IRC...*goes back to his Apache config* 04:53 eythian heh 04:56 Oak kia ora #koha 05:09 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 05:09 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. 05:11 Oak have a good night mtompset. 06:23 cait hi #koha 06:24 eythian hi 06:24 wahanui hi, eythian 06:26 dcook yo cait 06:26 cait hi eythian and dcook 06:28 * eythian is now leaving 06:28 eythian bye 06:31 dcook ta eythian 06:31 dcook Thanks again for those explanations this morning ^_^ 06:32 dcook Time for me to head out too 06:33 dcook have a good day, cait :) 06:33 cait hae a nice evening :) 06:33 cait hm too slow 07:33 * magnuse waves 07:36 marcelr good morning #koha 07:36 paul_p good morning #koha 07:36 marcelr hi paul_p 07:42 reiveune hello 07:42 wahanui niihau, reiveune 07:43 marcelr hello reiveune 07:43 reiveune hi marcelr 07:44 marcelr hi cait 07:46 cait hi marcelr 07:46 cait :) 07:53 alex_a bonjour 08:02 Joubu hello 08:06 cait hi all, hi Joubu 08:20 cait bag: ping me when you are around sometime? 08:20 bag hi there 08:20 cait oh that was fast :) 08:27 gaetan_B hello 08:29 bag heya gaetan_B 08:29 wahanui gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 09:19 gaetan_B hey bag how are you doing ? :) 10:45 * cait waves 10:46 cait slef++ 10:46 cait octopus. 10:46 wahanui octopus is good raw 11:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 11:24 magnuse hiya mtompset 11:24 magnuse slef++ for the octopus! 11:24 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 11:25 mtompset slef++ # yes, the dog octopus was a nice touch. 12:04 tcohen morning #koha 12:04 mtompset greetings, tcohen khall 12:08 tcohen hi mtompset 12:08 mtompset There. Wrote some tests. 12:08 mtompset YAY! 12:12 mtompset Is anyone ever going to create a YOLO framework? 12:17 fridolin hie all 12:18 mtompset Greeting, fridolin. 12:20 fridolin hie mtompset ;) 12:21 tcohen YOLO? 12:27 marcelr hi mtompset: you still want someone to look at the framework/541 problem? 12:28 mtompset I've figured out part of our problems, and worked it through with my colleagues... but I'm still trying to understand why tab 5 vs. tab 9. 12:29 marcelr i'll have a look at my data now 12:41 mtompset More specifically, why 541$e is 9 for all but the default framework. 12:41 mtompset in marc_subfield_structure; 12:44 mtompset YOLO... some people say You Only Live Once. 12:45 mtompset Though, I doubt people would create a frameworkcode of YOLO. 12:45 marcelr mtompset: imo 541 should never map to items 12:46 mtompset Yes, I agree. But we had 541$e mapping to items.stocknumber. 12:46 mtompset We've corrected that. 12:46 marcelr just remove it :) 12:46 marcelr is it still in the install files that way? 12:46 mtompset However, that means our MARCXML has buggy 541$e entries. 12:47 mtompset And the weird thing is... the values, for the most part, never made it into the stocknumber field either. 12:47 cait marcelr: the default files in the installer are not mapping 541 - i checked yesterday 12:47 cait was a local change 12:47 cait thankfully, i got worried for a moment :) 12:47 mtompset Yes, it was a local change. 12:48 marcelr cait: that is true; i checked too now 13:19 oleonard Hi #koha 13:22 marcelr hi oleonard 13:23 marcelr jcamins already here? 13:35 mtompset Greetings, oleonard 13:35 mtompset @seen jcamins 13:35 huginn mtompset: jcamins was last seen in #koha 2 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> 12k records to go. I have some other scripts I want to kick off when this is done. 13:35 mtompset If he is, he is being rather quiet, marcelr. :) 13:35 marcelr yeah 13:35 marcelr i mailed him in the meantime 13:37 magnuse maybe his scripts kicked *him* off... 13:41 marcelr o those scripts.. 13:48 magnuse druthb! 13:48 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 13:49 druthb magnuse! 13:49 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 14:15 * magnuse has noe eaten pizza since friday 14:16 mtompset Greetings, druthb. :) 14:16 mtompset Greetings, Dyrcona edveal nengard tcohen talljoy. :) 14:16 tcohen hi mtompset 14:16 nengard good morning all 14:16 tcohen morning nengard 14:16 talljoy yo mtompset 14:17 edveal morning everyone 14:17 Dyrcona hello! 14:17 talljoy magnues how are you surviving with such a drastic diet change? 14:17 talljoy magnuse that is ^ 14:18 mtompset if I wanted to try testing a patch in a sandbox, how would I do that? 14:18 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:18 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -18.3°C (8:18 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Windchill: -18.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Rising). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 11 am CST this morning... 14:19 druthb hi, mtompset! :) 14:19 druthb @wunder 77098 14:19 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 13.3°C (8:19 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 9 PM this evening to 9 am CST Friday... 14:19 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 14:19 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -18.8°C (9:19 AM EST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -22.0°C. Windchill: -19.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 14:19 rhcl -118.3°C 14:19 rhcl that's pretty cold 14:19 mtompset Anyone below -18.8? ;) 14:19 nengard @wunder 78741 14:19 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 9.7°C (8:14 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday... 14:20 nengard That's too funny .... 9.7 and we have a winter weather advisory 14:20 nengard got to love it here 14:20 edveal @wunder 79410 14:20 huginn edveal: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is -4.4°C (7:25 AM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1030 hPa (Rising). 14:21 nengard ick! and no advisory 14:21 druthb It was all over the radio this morning, how nasty it's gonna be here. 0.1 inches of ice possible… 14:21 druthb (which, given that we are a city of four million people that only has a dozen snow plows…. ) 14:25 drojf hi #koha 14:25 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 14:26 drojf hi mtompset 14:31 magnuse talljoy: who says i'm surviving ;-) 14:31 talljoy lol 14:52 chris_n has anyone seen this sort of weirdness with Chrome? 14:52 pastebot "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Broswer Weirdness" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/96 14:56 mtompset No, but I have seen my university friend post something about how Chrome extensions/plugins have been hijacked by adware folk. :) 14:56 mtompset oh curses! 14:57 mtompset just when you think you're done another thread unravels. 14:58 tcohen yes chris_n 14:58 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 14:58 tcohen it happened a couple of times, the only solution was to delete the recent searches cookies 15:00 chris_n tcohen: thanks, I'll try that 15:04 Joubu bug 10952 should fix that 15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Store anonymous search history in session 15:05 paul_p hi bag & JesseM & khall = so Kyle is not coming to Marseille, it's JesseM. Happy for JesseM ( & too bad for you, khall ) 15:06 JesseM Hi paul_p pianohacker is coming as well. The other Jesse :) 15:06 paul_p JesseM yes, but I already knew, so it's not a surprise for me ;-) 15:06 JesseM Cant wait paul_p 15:07 paul_p bag told me in Reno, where we decided the dates. We choose the dates to fit pianohacker school holidays ;-) 15:07 paul_p JesseM and you're right ;-) 15:14 rhcl @seen bag 15:14 huginn rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 44 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <bag> heya gaetan_B 15:21 * tcohen just remembered 3.12.9 should be released soon 15:21 tcohen holidays++ 15:42 tcohen can anyone take a quick look at 9579? 15:44 tcohen it targets the stable branches 15:51 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 15:51 gmcharlt yep 15:55 tcohen is it ok that I mark 9579 3.14 instead of master? 15:57 tcohen and also: should the Search.t tests also mix "-g iso2709" and the marcxml counterpart? 15:58 gmcharlt re 9579, yes, but I will review the patch today first 15:58 gmcharlt re your second question, sure 15:58 tcohen ok 15:59 tcohen i'll release3.12 today with a statement on the MARC::XML upgrade 16:00 gmcharlt tcohen++ 16:40 cait tcohen++ 16:42 cait bye all 17:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10922: (follow-up) remove display of form parameter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e276049746bf3cffc835eeee596040967b4ac9cc> / Bug 10922: Display whether prices are include or don't include tax when creating... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b56285e2250737a1a2282f2e3e8b4d0f1e0818c> / Bug 11397: Remove the itemnumber list on the Acquisition detail tab < 17:16 reiveune bye 17:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11415: DBRev 3.15.00.014 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24be6eb80eda9dee146687d5109d41430c7a8c76> / Bug 11415 (QA Followup) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6254f5f07ab84ef7d6b6518d8f39bde9987a92e4> / Bug 11415: Add syspref to toggle SCO receipt printing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cc3b69a0cf1adfc7c50c2 17:40 * cait waves 17:42 tcohen hi cait 17:42 cait hi tcohen :) 17:43 tcohen where is junkins? 17:43 wahanui junkins is a bit lazy today 17:44 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x 17:44 tcohen :-P 17:44 * tcohen thought he might have been hiding 17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11486: Don't display the number of remaining renewals if == 0 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=443ec407861762b8249685700e9cf18c9a9407e2> / Bug 11486: Show renewal count on 'check out' and 'details' tabs in patron record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b464eda7c39392143c4448c505312c7bb310ae92> 18:03 cait gmcharlt++ 18:23 * magnuse waves 18:31 * magnuse has his tickets for marseille booked 18:31 cait woohoo 18:31 cait :) 18:33 * tcohen has *healthy* envy 18:33 cait heh 18:34 pianohacker heh yourself! :( 18:34 cait hm? 18:34 cait aren't you going too pianohacker? 18:34 cait ah 18:34 pianohacker I don't actually know what we're talking about 18:35 cait magnuse booked his tickets tomarseille and tcohen has healthy envy 18:36 pianohacker ahhh. woo hackfest! 18:40 tcohen http://showmetheco.de/articles/2011/11/tdd-best-practices-in-perl.html 18:40 tcohen should we have coding guidelines for unit tests? 18:41 cait hm like? 18:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix table sorting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cc0d7b700f27ac3bacb2964475da1f3aabbc919> / Bug 10907: DBRev 3.15.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f474c9dea10828e80dbed909e6c70904158535b6> / Bug 10907: Optionally show the staff member's name who managed a suggestion in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 18:41 gmcharlt well, at a start the unit tests should be subject to the same guidelines as the rest of the codebase 18:41 cait gmcharlt++ 18:41 cait thx for fixing the sorting 18:42 tcohen we should use more subtests for organizing the tests, and remove output (or at least have <> if $DEBUG; or something similar 18:43 cait not sure if we should insist on too many rules right now 18:43 cait it's still hard to get people to actually write them 18:43 tcohen hmm, I think its actually the opossite 18:44 tcohen "they ask me for tests, how do I write one?" 18:44 cait true :) 18:44 tcohen first time I tried to write one, I looked for the coding guidelines 18:44 tcohen then copy and pasted the wrong sample test 18:45 tcohen heh 18:45 gmcharlt but I think that actually needs to be part of the process -- i.e., rather than just assert new guidelines, accompany them with patches that improve the tests 18:46 gmcharlt IOW, a lot of people, for good or ill, get started by looking for an example to copy and extend 18:46 tcohen hm, not following you 18:46 cait ihave had a lot of people asking for some best practice exapmles for dbic 18:47 tcohen gmcharlt: i was thinking of working on refactoring some tests (mostly cleaning) 18:47 tcohen then I thought it should be documented somewhere 18:47 * cait likes how tcohen thinks ;) 18:47 gmcharlt so if one wants to introduce a new guideline, making an implementation of it part of the proposal makes it mroe clear why it's a good idea, and gives the copy-and-pasters among us a better starting point 18:47 gmcharlt and +1 to cleaning 18:48 magnuse +1 to all of the above 18:48 tcohen got the point gmcharlt, will try to put my 2 cents on that 18:48 * magnuse is a copy-and-paster 18:48 tcohen but I'm not actually aware of "good practices" 18:48 tcohen heh 18:48 gmcharlt now one specific suggestion I have for a new guideline: every test should have a name 18:48 gmcharlt i.e., never just do is($foo, $bar); 18:49 gmcharlt do is($foo, $bar, 'the foo is barred'); 18:49 * cait likes that 18:50 rangi morning 18:50 rangi and yes i agree 18:50 cait morning rangi 18:50 gmcharlt +1 to more grouping, but not to the point of verbosity 18:50 magnuse kia ora rangi 18:50 rangi name the tests 18:50 gmcharlt e.g., in the link tcohen provided, the example under the "Group your tests or, even better, use classes" is not great 18:51 tcohen gmcharlt: i personally like subtests 18:51 gmcharlt I do too... but only over a certain level of complexity 18:51 tcohen that link was just the first gogole result i got 18:51 rangi i personally want it as utterly easy and low barrier to write tests as possible 18:51 rangi so there is NO excuse for not doing it 18:52 cait +1 18:52 gmcharlt the example given in that link tacks on 7 more lines of code; not justified for a set of simple tests 18:52 gmcharlt easier to justify as a set of tests grows in size and complexity 18:53 tcohen as in Search.t 18:53 gmcharlt IOW, a coding rule of "you always must use subtests" would be too much of a barrier, at least at present 18:53 tcohen I think that would be the RM decision 18:53 fridolin FYI : 3.14.2 is released, still hot :D 18:53 gmcharlt fridolin++ 18:53 rangi fridolin++ 18:53 fridolin I've updated this time the symlink "koha-latest.tar.gz" on download site 18:53 gmcharlt of course, that's not to stand in the way of using subtests if somebody wants to 18:54 tcohen fridolin++ # I got distracted by this chat and you won this time :-P 18:54 cait fridolin++ 18:54 gmcharlt the bit about tseting behavior, not implementation, is good 18:55 gmcharlt I'd be cautious about adopting an OOP testing framework 18:55 magnuse fridolin++ 18:55 gmcharlt in part, for historical reasons -- there was a time when Test::Class was used 18:55 gmcharlt but it didn't end up being used by folks other than those who introduced it 18:56 fridolin see you tomorrow 18:57 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll try to do something I can convince the RM with, don't worry 18:58 tcohen and as rangi told me several times, the patches should talk for themselves 18:58 gmcharlt tcohen: and that's what I want to emphasize to you 18:58 gmcharlt i.e., write tests 18:58 gmcharlt write about writing tests 18:58 gmcharlt discuss on koha-devel 18:58 gmcharlt then a consensus can emerge :) 19:00 magnuse consensus++ 19:09 tcohen ok, see u later #koha 19:10 magnuse have fun tcohen 19:10 bag it's a build pillow forts with Ginny kind of day 19:11 cait :) 19:13 cait hm looks like some weird git messages 19:13 cait wrong tags/branches again? 19:14 * druthb builds a pillow fort, hides in it. 19:15 mtompset I hate writing tests, but having just tweaked t/db_dependent/Biblio.t, I think standards would be a good thing! 19:15 bag druthb: ginny has room for you - she'd love it if you joined :D 19:16 magnuse bag: i'm a little confused as to who is coming to marseille - you and pianohacker and... one more? 19:16 bag druthb: just texted you some pics of the fort 19:16 pianohacker khall right? 19:17 bag magnuse: it's pianohacker, JesseM and me 19:17 magnuse ah, cool 19:17 magnuse so 2x jesse? 19:17 pianohacker yup :) 19:17 cait confusing! 19:17 cait :) 19:17 JesseM Yup :D 19:17 bag so pianohacker = Jesse Weaver, JesseM = Jesse Maseto, and bag = this crazy fool 19:17 cait we will have to number you 19:17 magnuse we must all just use last names 19:18 * druthb climbs into the pillow fort with lil Ginny 19:18 magnuse yay, i get to meet some more bywaterians i have not met! 19:18 bag well cait and magnuse - it's really easy - you've got cute young fun pianohacker, awesomely fun JesseM and old fart annoying dood bag 19:18 rangi cait: just call them all jesse 19:18 rangi bag will probably still answer to that 19:18 mtompset Why bywaterians? Why not bywaterites? 19:18 cait sounds like a plan 19:18 pianohacker jesse g, jesse m, and jesse w 19:18 pianohacker awesome 19:18 rangi heh 19:18 bag HA - I'll stick with Brendan :P 19:19 pianohacker I think most people at bywater just call me pianohacker anymore... 19:19 magnuse bag: that's what you think 19:19 bag it's dangerous what I think :P 19:20 bag or is that know? 19:20 bag or is that what I used to know and have already forgotten 19:20 magnuse sorry, i just forgot 19:21 bag my dad for my whole life has always said - I've forgotten more than you know - I was always like geezze thanks dad I must be really dumb then 19:21 * bag is a bugger to his poor dear old dad 19:21 magnuse lol 19:25 bag hey rhcl you were looking for me? 19:27 rangi tcohen++ 19:28 gmcharlt water-byers? 19:28 rangi eeek 19:28 rangi who pushed all the tags again 19:28 magnuse not me! 19:28 rangi it was either tcohen or fridolin 19:29 cait that's what i tried to say earlier... 19:29 rangi @later tell fridolin awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need 19:29 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:30 cait just nobody ever listens to me! :p 19:30 rangi @later tell tcohen awesome work on the new release, just can you make sure you only push the new tag (or push tags from a clean repo) otherwise it pushes a whole pile of tags we dont want/need 19:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:30 gmcharlt rangi: easy Gitolite config change to only allow tags/v* 19:30 gmcharlt shall I make it? 19:30 rangi yes please 19:30 rangi ill go clean up the tags 19:31 kathryn_ morning :) 19:32 rangi miss the ferry kathryn_ ? 19:33 rangi or blowing off work for the cricket? 19:33 rangi :) 19:33 kathryn_ rangi: I wish! (to both) 19:33 kathryn_ rangi: just sent a whereis message for work, but am staying home so can put food in a blender and talk less 19:33 kathryn_ REALLY sore jaw now 19:34 gmcharlt rangi: done 19:34 rangi eek 19:34 rangi got a dentist appt? 19:34 rangi ahh i just read the whereis 19:34 rangi weird 19:34 kathryn_ yeah, not even to do with teeth :/ 19:35 rangi like a pulled muscle? 19:35 kathryn_ "take painkillers and rest it" 19:35 kathryn_ more likely a spasm 19:35 rangi ah yeah 19:35 rangi well we will be talking a crap ton in 9 days time 19:35 rangi so rest is good 19:36 kathryn_ yeah will need to talk a lot at Vala 19:36 rangi yup 19:36 kathryn_ esp after you lose your voice 19:36 rangi heh 19:37 magnuse Vala? 19:41 rangi http://www.vala.org.au/conf2014 19:41 talljoy druthb ? 19:41 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 19:41 talljoy lol 19:41 talljoy yes but is she here? 19:41 talljoy @later tell druthb ping me when you can 19:41 huginn talljoy: The operation succeeded. 19:41 rangi magnuse: http://www.vala.org.au/boot-camp 19:42 rangi and we are exhibiting too and doing a short koha presentation 19:42 nengard dani around? 19:42 rangi nengard: no 19:42 rangi unless she chose a new nick 19:43 magnuse rangi: cool! 19:43 magnuse LibraryBox - yay! 19:43 rangi magnuse: i particularly like my ranty session is sponsored by publishers 19:43 nengard Found her ... she was in our work channel :) 19:45 magnuse rangi: yay - way to go! 19:46 rangi nengard: and now dani is here too 19:46 rangi :) 19:46 nengard there she is :) hehe 19:46 nengard I was typing in the wrong window anyway, but glad she's joining us 19:47 bag heya dani 19:47 * magnuse waves to dani 19:47 dani hello 19:47 wahanui kai ora, dani 19:47 dani howdy 19:48 rangi hmm i need to fix wahanui, unless kai ora is hello in some other language .. cos in maori that means eat well, not hello 19:49 bag HAHA 19:50 cait lol 19:50 cait hello 19:50 cait wahanui: hello 19:50 wahanui hola, cait 19:53 magnuse rangi: that is kind of appropriate for this channel, though... :-) 19:53 * magnuse wanders off into the night 19:53 magnuse @wunder boo 19:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 19:53 rangi sleep well magnuse 19:53 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:53 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:30 AM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 19:56 rhcl @wunder 64507 19:56 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -11.1°C (1:56 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.84 in 1044 hPa (Falling). 19:57 rhcl I'm lots more colder than magnus 19:59 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.2°C (8:55 PM CET on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 20:00 talljoy i think i need to become nomadic and work in the southern hemisphere half the year. i can't take the cold 20:00 druthb talljoy++ 20:00 druthb @wunder 77098 20:00 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 10.0°C (2:00 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 6 am CST Friday... 20:00 talljoy @wunder Fort Worth, TX 20:00 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in HADS WEST FORK TRINITY RIVER AT FORT TX US USGS, Fort Worth, Texas is -1.7°C (1:15 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady). 20:00 talljoy -1??? wha? 20:01 rangi talljoy: theres always a spare desk at the koha team at catalyst, you could do a trea :) 20:01 talljoy sweet deal. 20:01 * talljoy goes to check airfare to NZ 20:01 rangi there was a special on airnz 20:01 druthb $bunchteen.99 20:01 rangi laurel got her flights to sfo for 1199$ nz return so under 1k usd 20:01 talljoy then again, i ought to just move to a tropical locale and never have to move. 20:02 talljoy @wunder Lihue 20:02 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in Lihue, Hawaii is 21.0°C (9:53 AM HST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). High surf warning in effect until 6 am HST Friday... 20:02 talljoy nice. 20:02 druthb @wunder mumbai 20:02 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 23.0°C (1:10 AM IST on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 20:02 cait rangi: got a second desk? 20:02 rhcl blatant poaching 20:02 rhcl ? 20:02 rangi hehe yep 20:03 rangi naw, rhcl, keep working for bywater/bsz just a different desk 20:03 rhcl Isn't Bali down there around NZ somewhere? That would be a great OL (operating location) 20:03 rangi topologically wellington nz is only a few more hops away than texas 20:03 rangi :) 20:04 talljoy Bali....hmmmm 20:04 talljoy @wunder Bali 20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 talljoy no bali? 20:04 cait :) 20:04 talljoy oh no, where did it go? lol 20:04 rhcl @wunder indonesia 20:04 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 bag @wunder 93109 20:04 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Flora Vista/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.8°C (12:04 PM PST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 20:04 talljoy @wunder DPS 20:04 huginn talljoy: Error: No such location could be found. 20:04 druthb @sunder Denpasar, Indonesia 20:04 huginn druthb: downloading the Perl source 20:05 druthb @wunder Denpasar, Indonesia 20:05 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Denpasar / Ngurah-Rai, Indonesia is 24.0°C (2:00 AM CIT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 20:05 talljoy there.....finally! 20:05 druthb There ya go. The capital of Bali province. 20:05 talljoy druthb++ 20:06 rhcl @wunder Pattaya, Thailand 20:06 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Jomtien, Jomtien, Thailand is 21.3°C (3:00 AM ICT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 20:06 cait :) 20:06 cait @wunder Cordoba 20:06 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 20:07 cait hm 20:07 cait @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 20:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 39.0°C (5:05 PM ART on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa (Steady). 20:07 rangi rhcl: eythian worked at caits work a couple of years ago, and at a desk at biblibre too 20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, phillipines 20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:07 rhcl @wunder angeles city, Philippines 20:07 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. 20:07 cait it was awesome. 20:08 rhcl ah, you jet setters... 20:08 cait it seems like eythian really really doesn't like winter 20:09 talljoy heh 20:09 talljoy speaking of cordoba. did a date ever get set for kohacon 14? 20:09 cait yep 20:10 talljoy didn't see it on the wiki. was i in the wrong spot? 20:10 cait second week of october i think, was on the mailing list, i think also the wiki 20:10 * talljoy rubs her eyes 20:10 cait trying to find it sec 20:10 talljoy let me look again. i was not on wiki i thinks, but on website 20:11 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon14 20:11 cait not much yet, but dates :) 20:11 talljoy yup wasn't looking there. thanks cait! 20:11 cait np :) 20:12 druthb hm. Some rather-vigorous rain going on here, and temps are falling fast. 20:23 nengard @wunder 78741 20:23 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Waller Beach, Austin, Texas is 4.0°C (2:11 PM CST on January 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1030 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 6 PM this evening to noon CST Friday... 20:24 nengard getting colder ... but no rain yet 20:33 rhcl nengard: are you living in Austin now or just working there temp? 20:33 nengard living here 20:33 nengard bengard got a job here 20:33 nengard and since I can work anywhere ... we moved 20:33 rangi she was too weird for PA anymore, so they sent her to austin 20:33 nengard ha 20:33 nengard we're building a house: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/archives/date-taken/2014/01/22/ 20:34 nengard living in an apartment for now 20:34 rhcl cool 20:34 rhcl I just didn't remember seeing that memo cross my desk 20:34 nengard hehe 20:34 nengard I moved in October 20:34 nengard most of my "memos" are on facebook and twitter 20:34 nengard I don't know if I did mention it here in channel 20:49 tcohen rangi: would you agree we should replace "git push remote --tags branch" for "git push remote tag" in the rmaint instructions? 20:52 rangi cant hurt 20:53 tcohen it was me btw 20:53 tcohen sorry for that 20:53 cait you got one fre 20:53 cait e 20:53 cait i think 20:53 cait tradition ... 20:54 cait for next time you will have to send rangi cookies :) 20:54 * tcohen sends cookies to rangi, as it was his second time (never thought it would happen again if religiously followed the instructions) 20:54 cait lol 20:54 cait oups 20:55 tcohen i can blame the one who wrote the instructions anyway LOL 20:57 rangi :) 20:59 * cait waves at ashimema 21:00 rangi @later tell fridolin tcohen confessed it was him :) all good :) 21:00 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:00 ashimema hey cait. 21:00 tcohen heh 21:00 rangi hi ashimema 21:01 ashimema hey rangi. 21:02 rangi https://soundcloud.com/jeantonique/destinys-child-jumpin-jumpin 21:03 rangi i proclaim it funky friday 21:05 tcohen violent funky? 21:06 tcohen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7XwCsx4fs 21:07 wizzyrea cheese funky? 21:07 rangi tcohen: that works 21:08 wizzyrea ohh that is very funky. 21:09 rangi wizzyrea: you wanted funky cheese ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF7vnx479Gw 21:09 wizzyrea *snicker* 21:12 ashimema looks like i've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again.. thanks rangi ;) 21:12 wizzyrea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qYtubNDzw < french cheese funk 21:12 rangi heh 21:12 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:12 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:12 wizzyrea daw 21:13 rangi https://soundcloud.com/rocknrolla-soundsystem/ken-boothe-is-it-because-im 21:13 ashimema wizzyrea: foiled again.. 21:13 rangi @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:13 huginn rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:13 rangi hmm i must have logged out 21:13 wizzyrea @quote add Ashimema: looks like I've stumbled into that strange bit of the internet again 21:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #292 added. 21:13 wizzyrea booyah 21:13 wizzyrea naw, i think huginn logged out 21:13 wizzyrea and we all got unregistered :) 21:14 rangi ah right 21:14 gmcharlt tcohen: I've put a Gitolite config change in place to prevent pushing non-v* tags ... which mean that rangi won't be getting cookies from you 21:14 gmcharlt hmm 21:14 gmcharlt problem there 21:14 wahanui well, problem there is we don't have an interface for lists. 21:14 gmcharlt maybe I should revert? 21:14 gmcharlt happy rangi? or well-fed rangi? 21:14 gmcharlt ;) 21:15 rangi heh 21:15 cait as cookies are not strictly healthy... 21:15 cait i guess better not revert :) 21:36 * gmcharlt lashes himself ten times with a wet noodle 21:37 cait ? 21:37 cait is that a religious thing? 21:38 gmcharlt no 21:38 gmcharlt huginn will explain in a moment 21:38 huginn gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source 21:38 cait oh you broke my feature! 21:38 * gmcharlt cowers 21:38 cait hehe 21:39 cait i think you just did it so I don't feel so bad about breaking the sorting ;) 21:39 gmcharlt oh... 21:39 gmcharlt right, that was it! 21:39 gmcharlt ;) 21:39 cait did you see my pm? 21:39 * gmcharlt looks 21:40 gmcharlt ah -- let's talk next Tuesday 21:40 * gmcharlt will be tied up in ALA 21:40 cait ok :) 21:40 cait hm i think i took that too literally for a moment 21:40 cait might be time to sleep :) 21:41 wizzyrea well between the wet noodle lashings, the cowering, and being tied up at ALA, I see how your mind could go there. 21:41 gmcharlt heh 21:41 cait :) 21:41 gmcharlt no, ALA conferences are not /that/ interesting! 21:41 wizzyrea dunno, librarians can be pretty crazy... 21:41 mtompset Acoholic Librarians Anonymous? 21:42 wizzyrea there isn't the "saucy librarian" stereotype for nothin, you know. 21:42 cait probably more interesting than ours here :) 21:43 eythian hi 21:43 wahanui hola, eythian 21:43 mtompset I think it's done, eythian. 21:44 * cait waves at eythian 21:44 jcamins Vitally important question! If you are wearing a colored vest to a blacktie event, does your bowtie have to be the same color? 21:44 mtompset Call me a literalist, but doesn't blacktie mean BLACK tie? 21:44 eythian mtompset: excellent :) 21:44 jcamins Also, why don't I practice tying bowties more often? 21:44 eythian mtompset: no, it's supposed to be ironic. It means Hawaiian shirts. 21:45 eythian hello cait 21:45 wahanui hello cait are you here? 21:45 rhcl Whoa 21:45 rhcl that's quasi-sentient 21:45 eythian rhcl: wahanui is practicing 21:46 eythian wahanui: be human 21:46 wahanui I got 98% in eythian's last Turing test! 21:46 eythian doh 21:46 mtompset eythian: I just discovered the exporting save record piece this morning. 21:46 mtompset DOH! 21:46 eythian no wahanui, be human is <reply>\I got 98% in \my last Turing test! 21:46 wahanui okay, eythian. 21:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10907: (follow-up) fix typo... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a6aed95d3de225cef5701d92521ea166f679cea> 21:46 eythian mtompset: ah yeah, that's another good place to catch. 21:47 eythian mtompset: so, now everything going out the OPAC is run through a nice central filter? 21:47 rhcl wahanui: do you know Emma the Catbot? 21:47 wahanui rhcl: bugger all, i dunno 21:47 mtompset As far as I know. 21:47 eythian excellent 21:47 mtompset read the code and weep. ;) 21:47 mtompset Well, it's not that bad. 21:56 jcamins I look like a security guard in a TV drama. 21:56 mtompset As long as it isn't a RED vest, you're okay. ;) 21:57 jcamins I wish I could find a black bowtie so I could wear a red vest. 21:57 jcamins Or a red bowtie, I suppose. 21:57 mtompset The red shirts always die, jcamins. 22:01 eythian Always. 22:01 jcamins I found a black bowtie! 22:02 jcamins And I'm wearing a white shirt, so I should be fine. 22:02 eythian you'll look like a waiter now 22:02 wizzyrea ... 22:03 jcamins eythian: well done. 22:03 jcamins You anticipated me. 22:03 eythian :) 22:03 mtompset Just don't waddle, or you'll look like a penguin. :P 22:03 wizzyrea omg, lol. 22:03 jcamins There must be a way to not look like an idiot. 22:03 wizzyrea put on your debonair face? 22:03 wizzyrea pretend you're james bond? 22:04 wizzyrea that could probably actually work. 22:04 rhcl You'll definitely need some gold cufflinks 22:04 rhcl And make sure your shirt is monogrammed 22:05 jcamins lol 22:05 jcamins If I went in white face no one would think it out of place if I started singing "Wilcommen bienvenue." 22:08 * jcamins changes cufflinks. 22:08 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZUVeMtYXc 22:09 jcamins Well, it's time to go, happy or not. 22:09 jcamins I'll go with the black vest purple bowtie, I think. 22:11 rhcl good luck 22:11 wizzyrea have fun 22:22 cait good night all 22:35 eythian mtompset: you're up on bug 11592 :) 22:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility 22:37 eythian mtompset: it's almost entirely small style things rather than actual problems. 23:11 ibeardslee http://ask.slashdot.org/story/14/01/23/1842210/ask-slashdot-how-to-reimagine-a-library 23:20 * kathryn_ slaps eythian around a bit with a large fishbot 23:20 eythian @wunder nzwn 23:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on January 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:22 * dcook wonders if the exterior of a fishbot is the bot part or the fish part... 23:23 * wizzyrea did not expect kathryn_ to be the wielder of the fishbot 23:24 eythian there's two of her, split personality can have strange effects. 23:25 wizzyrea i'm shocked. SHOCKED. 23:29 kathryn_ OOOOOPPPPPSSSS! 23:29 kathryn_ accidetal fish slap! 23:29 kathryn_ doot de doo... 23:45 pianohacker quick ways to mess with your vim productivity, part 15: move your escape key