Time Nick Message 02:34 dcook Quick question if anyone is around... 02:34 dcook If you're testing a patch and something is wrong, do you fail it or sign off with a follow-up fix? 03:01 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2014p051675 03:01 rangi felt that 03:04 dcook Apparently, I've had earthquakes happen around me, but I've only known because I was told afterward. How might that feel? 03:04 dcook 6.3 that is? 03:31 dcook hehe 03:31 dcook "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." 03:49 dcook rangi: When might the bug count on the dashboard turn yellow/green? 03:51 dcook All things considered...Koha is actually rather impressive. We might have quite a few bugs to sign off, but the oldest is from October 24th. That's not even 3 months ago. 04:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:24 mtompset dcook: I just commented on one of your bugs. ;) 04:27 dcook Cool. Which one? 04:27 mtompset 11575 04:28 mtompset see also bug 6800 04:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, CLOSED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better 04:29 dcook Yes, I already wrote that in the first comment. 04:30 dcook I think it makes more sense to use the system preference, as we use it elsewhere in Koha. 04:32 mtompset If we handled proxies properly, I would think that using the URL directly would make more sense. ;) 04:32 mtompset But since we don't, I agree that using the system preference makes more sense. 04:43 dcook Perhaps. I think that we would need to check through Koha and see why we're using the system preference instead, so that we don't spit out links with two different URLs 04:52 mtompset hey, do you have any brilliant thoughts on how to get the framework code or biblionumber if you only have a MARC record? 04:55 mtompset I don't want to have to edit a whole bunch of files to add another parameter, but it is looking like I may have to do that. :( 04:58 dcook I would say... 04:58 dcook first question? 04:58 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 05:02 mtompset make opac-detail hide the same things that opac-MARCdetail hides. 05:03 mtompset The problem is GetMarcSubjects, GetMarcNotes, etc. don't check the hidden field in marc_subfield_structure. 05:03 mtompset They grab directly from the koha fields. 05:05 mtompset So, in order to hide things properly, I may need to pass the biblionumber to those calls, so I can grab the correct hidden field. 05:06 mtompset And then use that in those functions to filter out what shouldn't be shown. :) 05:06 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:10 cait hi mtompset 05:12 mtompset Well, better sleep now. 05:13 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook cait. :) 05:20 dcook hey cait 05:34 cait hi dcook 05:34 cait i wanted to add it to your bug but forgot 05:34 cait there had been some discussion about opacbaseurl on irc 05:34 cait because i ran into a problem with the cart/list emails there 05:34 dcook Oh? 05:35 cait bug 5010 05:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client 05:36 cait when i worked on this 05:36 cait galen suggested doing a pref then 05:36 cait haven't taken a closer look at oyur patches yet I am afraid :( 05:37 dcook Mine uses the system preference if it is set. If it isn't set, it uses the SERVER_NAME 05:38 dcook Although if I had been smarter, I would've done it like this 05:38 dcook 1) system preference 2) if no, syspref - check for http_forwarded_x_host 3) if no http_forwarded_x_host - server_name 05:38 cait not sure if it'ssmarter 05:38 cait part of the discussion was about multibranchsetups 05:39 cait with different opac urls 05:39 cait i think 05:39 dcook I think you mentioned them being able to use apache config to do that 05:40 cait I am not sure i get all the ifs thens that are needed here - that's why I chose my solution and didn't clean it up totally :) 05:42 cait aah 05:42 cait dcook: i think the main problem was fnding the right opac url from staff 05:42 cait because we are using links to the opac in the list and cart email and on the opac detail screen i think 05:42 cait http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2013-12-09#i_1435556 05:42 cait staff detail 05:43 dcook Sorry what line am I looking for? 05:44 dcook OPACBaseURL is a bit of a mess.. 05:44 cait sorry i am confusing :) 05:44 cait yes it is 05:44 cait it drove me nuts trying to fix the stupid links 05:44 cait cait: one issue re your last comment -- constructing a base URL using $ENV{'SERVER_NAME'} from the *staff* interface won't necessarily give the correct result 05:44 cait that's hwat galen said 05:45 dcook "we acutally have links into the opac for the intranet mails as well" 05:45 dcook I've been thinking about that as well 05:45 dcook I imagine there might be other cases where we use OPACBaseURL without a http request 05:45 cait hm why without a http request? 05:46 cait sorry, i am really confusing here 05:46 dcook No, not at all 05:46 cait but i thoguth maybe the discussion had some interesting bits for you 05:46 dcook You're probably right 05:46 cait and hoping someone might finally sign off my patch or improve it :) 05:46 dcook Just if there's a time where a cronjob is generating a value for OPACBaseURL, but I don't know if that would happen 05:47 cait hm i think we don't have that yet 05:47 dcook Well, I know I don't like Maxime's solution 05:47 cait but it seems that when the intranet files generate a url into the opac it's also a bit complicated 05:47 dcook Hardcoding http isn't a good idea 05:47 cait yeah that's why i did the alternative patches 05:47 cait as another proposal how to solve it 05:47 cait not in a perfect way tho.. but maybe improving it some for now 05:48 dcook Hmm, I'm not sure 05:49 dcook I'd probably prefer to use CGI's https() method rather than a system preference 05:49 dcook Then again, with a proxy, that could be a problem too 05:49 dcook Although there might be a forwarded value for that as well.. 05:49 cait dcook: but would that work if you try to determine the OPAC uses https from the intranet? 05:50 cait i imagine it woudl just tell you if the staff odes use httsp 05:50 dcook Mmm, that's true 05:51 dcook I keep forgetting about that crossing over from the intranet to the opac 05:52 cait as you said... it's messy 05:52 dcook I wonder how much interrogation of the apache config could be done 05:53 dcook I suppose some people might have SSL mostly set up without actually using it though.. 07:02 cait @later tell ashimema - I think bug 11519 is a duplicate to your development, but I can't find the bug, maybe you can? 07:02 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 07:05 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:05 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa (Rising). 07:08 * magnuse waves 07:09 magnuse @wunder boo 07:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 07:09 magnuse nice... 07:09 cait ah 07:10 cait finally a real winter? 07:10 magnuse hehe yeah 07:10 magnuse almost too real ;-) 07:10 cait it's supposed to get colder here now too 07:12 cait morning ashimema 07:12 cait i was thinking about you like 5 minutes ago :) 07:12 ashimema that was quck cait.. my computer hasn't fully started yet.. 07:13 ashimema :) 07:13 ashimema glad to know i'm in your thoughts ;) 07:14 cait always ;) 07:14 ashimema what bugs? 07:14 wahanui somebody said bugs was http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release 07:15 ashimema looks like huggin just caught up ;) 07:16 cait i think i was thnking about 10477 07:17 cait bug 10477 07:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, Failed QA , Increased flexibility for upload of Staged MARC records 07:23 magnuse hm, what happened to http://lists.katipo.co.nz/ ? 07:23 cait bbiab 07:40 reiveune hello 07:48 magnuse bonjour reiveune paul_p paul_p_ 07:49 reiveune salut magnuse :) 07:49 paul_p_ I don't understand why 3 xirc are opening when I switch my computer ON... 07:49 paul_p_ 'morning #koha 07:50 gaetan_B hello 07:50 alex_a bonjour 07:50 wahanui what's up, alex_a 07:52 magnuse paul_p_: to help you be 3x more effective? ;-) 07:53 reiveune gaetan_B: salut, tu me tiens au courant pour chaillot stp 07:58 cait good morning #koha 07:59 magnuse kia ora cait 08:00 cait hi magnus :) 08:09 Joubu hello 08:11 cait hi Joubu 08:57 nlegrand Hey #koha 09:10 cait hi nlegrand 09:11 petter good day koha! 09:11 cait god morgen petter 09:11 petter hi kathrin 09:11 cait oh please no h :) 09:12 petter sorry! 09:12 petter katrin 09:12 cait perfect :) 09:12 cait just one of my pet peeves... people keep adding that extra letter all the time 09:14 petter I'll never do it again! 09:14 petter I promise 09:14 cait heh thx :) 09:16 cait ah and btw... we need more sign offs people... http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 09:16 cait or qa will run out of things to qa soon ;) 09:27 petter cait: I'm on it! 09:27 cait :) 09:27 petter Speaking of 09:27 petter There are many patches that changes the database, run updatedatabase.pl 09:27 petter sp 09:27 petter so 09:27 petter Is there an automated way to roll back changes? 09:27 cait hm not yet 09:28 petter Or do I have to manually dump the database and import it after 09:28 petter oh, too bad 09:28 cait what i do is a mysqldump if i have a structural change to test 09:28 cait and reload the database after my test 09:28 petter Would help speed up the process 09:28 cait for sysprefs i mostly leave them in or delete them manually 09:28 cait i think it woudl be really hard in some cases to provide an undo 09:29 petter I was just thinking of a script to automat dumb and import 09:29 petter like koha-db-set-restore-point 09:29 petter and 09:29 petter koha-db-restore 09:29 cait hmnot sure, maybe something in the packages could 09:29 petter Maybe I should stop complaining and start do it myself! 09:30 marcelr hi #koha 09:31 cait petter: i think writing a script for your personal use is probably quite easy, a general solution might be a bit harder 09:33 petter yes you're right 09:35 Yaxh Hi, I am Yaxh :) new to koha... 09:36 cait hi Yaxh 09:37 petter hi Yaxh 09:37 petter welcome 09:37 * magnuse started on a testing script once, but have not been maintaining it: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohatesting/blob/master/testkoha 09:49 magnuse koha in occitan - very cool! 09:50 cait :) 10:45 paul_p "hackfest in Marseille" officially announced and registration open : http://www.biblibre.com/en/blog/hackfest-marseille-2014 ! 10:54 magnuse paul_p++ 11:02 cait paul_p++ 11:04 paul_p magnuse & cait = now, I'm waiting for YOUR registration ;-) 11:07 cait paul_p: I woudl love to attend, but I don't know yet if i can 11:25 cait hm the koha mailing list archive still seems down :( 11:25 cait http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha 11:29 cait hm katipo's website seems also not working well 11:32 magnuse oops 11:38 gaetan_B hmmm there's a confition where the accordion for editing subfields in the framework structure is misbehaving but i can't characterize it yet 11:38 gaetan_B has anyone else seen this ? 11:39 gaetan_B once i want to unfold advanced constraints everything gets hidden, and i can't unhide any, the headers are still there, clicking on them activates them 11:39 gaetan_B but the content doesn't unfold 11:42 gaetan_B maybe it's linked to bug 11570 11:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQueryUI to latest version in the staff client 11:58 tcohen morning #koha 12:00 tcohen cait++ # such a good qa manager 12:06 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:07 tcohen hi magnuse 12:07 wahanui hi magnuse are you spending much time in oslo? 12:08 tcohen do u plan to hack on the apache 2.4 bug? 12:09 tcohen i ask just because I'll be busy for some days on bug 11096 12:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra 12:10 magnuse tcohen: not really - i don't think i would know how to move existing installations from no .conf to .conf extension 12:10 tcohen the way to solve it is to "fallback" to non .conf for old setups 12:11 tcohen if you happen to plan working on that just let me know 12:12 tcohen i'll do it otherwise as soon as I finish working on that bug 12:13 tcohen gmcharlt: do u know of anyone that can write UNIMARC unit tests? 12:17 magnuse i'll be working full speed on bug 11401 for the next week, so you'll probably beat me to it (which is a good thing, since i would be fairly clueless about the fallback strategy too...) 12:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card 12:19 tcohen magnuse: that's great 12:25 tcohen jcamins: r u around? 12:26 tcohen #koha: anyone with UNIMARC knowledge around? 12:35 tcohen *+++++++++++/* 12:35 cait tcohen: glad you are not grumpy :) 12:35 tcohen sorry for that, they where just cleaning my desk and pushed some keys 12:38 tcohen cait: i need to write regression tests for UNIMARC searches 12:38 tcohen and know nothing about UNIMARC 12:50 cait hm not sure it needs to be very specific 12:51 cait there are records in the sandbox sample database 12:51 cait i use those :) 12:51 cait you could just 'blow up' one of those records maybe 13:13 cait tcohen: you can download the sandbox databaess from git 13:14 tcohen where? 13:16 tcohen sandboxes? 13:16 wahanui it has been said that sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha 13:16 tcohen sandboxes? 13:16 wahanui sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha 13:18 cait tcohen: it#s on our git 13:18 tcohen koha.git? 13:18 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=tree;h=61e9fb188c5712c82cea576d4282be80922cb457;hb=61e9fb188c5712c82cea576d4282be80922cb457 13:19 tcohen thanks cait 13:28 * tcohen is gettting grumpy 13:28 tcohen my dev setup fr UNIMARC using GRS-1 for biblios 13:29 tcohen seems to give me an error "Record syntax not supported" 13:31 magnuse tcohen: did you set marcflavour = unimarc? 13:31 magnuse (the marcflavour syspref, that is) 13:34 tcohen magnuse: thanks, but I'm using a default setup (choosing unimarc in the right places) 13:35 tcohen and right now, my problem is talking to zebra using yaz-client 13:35 magnuse ah, ok 13:51 tcohen joubu 13:52 tcohen Joubu: around? 13:53 Joubu tcohen: yep 15:08 cait ie-- 15:08 cait grr. 15:31 * tcohen needs more coffee so he can focus on UNIMARC unit tests... 15:38 alex_a cait++ 15:38 tcohen need a UNIMARCguru... pleaseeeeee 15:44 tcohen free croisants for the volunteers? :-P 15:54 gaetan_B tcohen: is it a question that could be answered in a few minutes ? 15:54 tcohen yes 15:55 tcohen can u provide me a full koha - marc mapping? 15:55 gaetan_B hmmm yes 15:55 tcohen the default is lacking several items 15:55 gaetan_B there should be one in the install files actually 15:55 gaetan_B ok, we actually recycle it in different ways depending on the customer's wishes 15:55 tcohen booksellerid, cn_source, cn_sort and so on 15:56 tcohen so there's is no complete default 15:56 gaetan_B but maybe we could make the default more complete indeed 15:56 tcohen I need at least something more complete so I can make proper unit tests for unimarc 15:57 tcohen no need for a patch for me, just information, so I can write tests for 11096 15:59 tcohen where do u live gaetan_B? 15:59 gaetan_B tcohen: paris :) 16:00 gaetan_B i'm reading the bz in order to get what it is about 16:00 tcohen so, maybe I can actually give you the croissant 16:00 gaetan_B ooh 16:00 gaetan_B where are you ? 16:00 tcohen argentina 16:00 wahanui argentina is in for kohacon13 16:00 gaetan_B :D 16:00 gaetan_B that's one very far croissant 16:00 tcohen but will be in paris in a couple of month, for a few days thou 16:00 gaetan_B aaah 16:01 cait tcohen: intall french sample files 16:01 tcohen =) 16:02 cait i think they are the most complete 16:02 tcohen ok cait, will give it a try 16:02 gaetan_B tcohen: do cn_source and cn_sort really need to be linked to some unimarc fields ? 16:03 tcohen i'm not sure gaetan_B, i know nothing about UNIMARC 16:03 gaetan_B damn tcohen you're right it seems 16:03 gaetan_B it should be mapped to something for callnumber sorting to work 16:04 tcohen as cait said, maybe we expect people using UNIMARC use it in french 16:04 gaetan_B there's no mapping in the defaults for french eitehr 16:05 tcohen will u fill a bug for this? 16:08 gaetan_B tcohen: i think i should 16:09 gaetan_B since it means callnumber sorting is broken out of the in unimarc 16:09 gaetan_B tcohen: what are the other mappings that are missing for your tests ? 16:10 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.22.66.78 pasted "UNIMARC mappings" (35 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/94 16:10 tcohen the empty ones are the ones missing, I'm not sur eif they are needed or not 16:11 tcohen this are the mappings that MARC21 unit tests set 16:11 tcohen I want to replicate for UNIMARC so we can have decent Unit Tests for UNIMARC 16:11 gaetan_B are items subfields normalized in marc21 ? (they are not in unimarc, there is only a "recommandation") 16:12 tcohen disclaimer: I migth be all wrong, but have good will on improving things 16:12 tcohen gaetan_B: this fields have default mappings in MARC21 as they do in UNIMARC 16:13 tcohen and can be changed of course to match some library's needs 16:13 tcohen a good default should be enough for both the users and the tests 16:13 gaetan_B what i mean is a lot of these fields are not mapped by default because they don't match any standard 16:13 gaetan_B that's not a good reason not to set up something by default in koha though 16:15 tcohen i'm not sure what to say, gaetan_B. I guess I could just leave them as they are now and start looking what is broken in a default UNIMARC setup... 16:15 tcohen that'd be a good thing actually 16:18 gaetan_B tcohen: ok let's create a bz for this, something like "bette defaults for unimarc items mapping" 16:18 gaetan_B cn_sort, damaged are issues 16:18 gaetan_B but we might as well fiw a few more things on the way 16:19 gaetan_B i'm creating it tcohen 16:19 gaetan_B i am afraid this is not going to sort your problem though :) 17:04 reiveune bye 18:22 gaetan_B bye ! 18:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:33 druthb hi, mtompset. :) 18:34 mtompset Does anyone have a framework defined where tagfield=773 or 461 have a defined kohafield value in marc_subfield_structure? 18:34 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 18:34 tcohen 461 is for unimarc? 18:34 mtompset yes. 18:35 mtompset I don't really care which. 18:35 mtompset I just want to know what the kohafield value is supposed to be. 18:35 mtompset I'm looking at GetMarcHosts() 18:36 tcohen maybe use print p($kohafield) ? :-P 18:36 mtompset I would like to grab the proper marc_subfield_structure record, such that I can look at hidden. 18:36 mtompset tcohen: I looked at my DB and they are all blank or NULL. 18:37 mtompset That doesn't really help me write nice generic code. 18:37 tcohen im' sorry mtompset, i'm deadlocked here with other stuff 18:37 mtompset Not a problem. 18:38 mtompset Perhaps I'll just ignore that one for now, and keep going. :) 18:39 * tcohen always tries to keep going 18:40 tcohen druthb: question on internationalization 18:40 mtompset No questions. just do it! ;) 18:40 druthb ask, tcohen. 18:40 druthb mtompset: don't make me get the pointy stick out! 18:40 tcohen facets show "Label (number of records)" 18:41 tcohen and if it is right to left they are broken 18:41 mtompset Sorry, I believe gmcharlt fried them, last I checked. :P 18:41 tcohen something like ") Label number of records)" 18:41 magnuse fried facets? yum! 18:41 mtompset no... fried the pointy sticks. 18:42 druthb color me unsurprised, tcohen. RTL display generally doesn't cope well with parens and other punctuation. 18:42 druthb could be something dodgy in the po, though. 18:42 tcohen is it ok to show them the same as left-to-right? 18:42 druthb I would think so, yes. Might want to confirm that with an actual RTL speaker. 18:42 tcohen I think they can be fixed wrapping each thing in a span 18:42 druthb mtompset: I'm a woodworker. Plenty of sticks. 18:42 tcohen label & count of course 18:43 tcohen just need to know if that's how it is supposed to show 18:43 druthb tcohen, that might well fix it for you, using a pair of spans. 18:43 druthb I would expect (#) Label 18:43 tcohen if it is mixed with LTR facets too? 18:44 druthb yeah, I'd think so. The layout would look tidier, certainly. 18:44 druthb And when I was dealing with Arabic readers, I found that *even in English*, they like stuff flush-right more often than not. 18:45 tcohen oh 18:45 tcohen I use an english template, with mixed RTL and LTR facets 18:46 tcohen haven't tried how bad does an RTL template show this 18:46 druthb The text within a string might be either way, depending on what it's written in, of course. But an overall RTL layout seems to make things smoother for RTL-centric readers. 18:47 druthb When I was *in* Jordan, we had a number of crash-test dummies for that sort of thing; Ihab would call in one of the office folks, and we'd say, "does this make sense?" 18:50 tcohen yes druth, i'd be great to ask them 18:51 tcohen how should facets show in both RTL and LTR contexts, for RTL labels and counts 18:51 tcohen once we know that, we can fix it :-D 18:52 tcohen i filled bug 11117 after hearing you in reno :-D 18:52 druthb I would assume that semi-random Arabs would be kind of scarce in your part of Argentina. 18:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Right to left text in facets + facet count = mixed text 18:53 tcohen indeed 18:53 tcohen oh, the screenshot I attached in the bug looks better than I thought :-P 18:54 druthb I would kick it out to the koha-translate list, perhaps, and ask for some Arabic input. Karam Qubsi used to be a member of that list, and was willing to talk about such things. 18:55 tcohen ok, I'll ask about this on the list, please help me if they are not too responsive :-D 18:55 druthb :P 18:55 * tcohen loves lobbying 18:57 * druthb hunts for a way to blame cait, but fails. 18:57 * druthb blames cait anyway 18:58 * tcohen knows cait had a hard day today. Will blame her tomorrow 18:59 druthb fair 'nuf. 18:59 * druthb blames talljoy instead 19:02 * tcohen halts digging into UNIMARC unit tests assuming the problem is on the tests NOT UNIMARC related 19:02 tcohen bye felllows, bbl 19:14 smrt is it possible to run a php based website on the same port as koha just in a different directory? 19:16 mtompset That's what name based virtual hosts are about in Apache, aren't they? 19:18 smrt oh so i can just put two different virtual hosts in with the same port? 19:19 smrt with a different document root? 19:33 mtompset As far as I know, yes. 19:33 mtompset but the NAME has to be different. 19:34 mtompset YAY! I think I have it. 19:34 mtompset I think I have hiding mostly working correctly. 19:34 magnuse heh, gmail keeps giving me ads for holidays in nz. sigh... 19:36 smrt ok thanks. and happy holidays? 19:37 * mtompset laughs. 19:38 mtompset Lucky you, magnuse. ;) 19:38 * magnuse wishes he could say "gmail keeps giving me holidays in nz" 19:39 * magnuse has an empty inbox and runs away from his computer before it starts filling up again 19:39 * mtompset smirks. 19:40 mtompset Don't we all want holidays? :) 19:51 Bahruz hi all 19:53 Bahruz i need help about 3.14.00.000 19:53 Bahruz koha 3.14.00.000 19:54 mtompset Wow... that's useful. 19:54 * mtompset grumbles. 19:54 mtompset OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay --- GRRRR. 19:54 Bahruz i need support with money 19:55 Bahruz info@caspinet.com 19:55 Bahruz it's my mail 19:55 Bahruz plz help me my friends 19:56 * cait waves 19:56 Bahruz i'm waiting 19:59 mtompset Bahruz: you don't even state what you need help with. 20:00 Bahruz i installed koha 3.14.00 20:00 mtompset And? 20:01 Bahruz when i'm trying add biblio record Software error: 20:01 Bahruz Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2507. 20:01 Bahruz i dont know what i must do? 20:01 mtompset Bahruz, are you logged in as the system user or as a superlibrarian that you created after installing? 20:02 Bahruz i created user as superlibrarian permisson 20:02 mtompset And then you logged in as that user? 20:02 Bahruz yea 20:02 mtompset And then did you create libraries? 20:03 Bahruz yes 20:03 Bahruz i installed koha for our university library 20:03 mtompset And patron categories? 20:03 wahanui patron categories is probably using a different template plugin, isn't it? 20:03 mtompset wahanui: forget and patron categories 20:03 wahanui mtompset, I didn't have anything matching and patron categories 20:03 mtompset wahanui: forget patron categories 20:03 wahanui mtompset: I forgot patron categories 20:04 mtompset and all the other things you need to set up by default? 20:04 Bahruz i used "root" patron category for my user 20:05 mtompset Okay, so you did all this default setup stuff. 20:05 mtompset Then what did you do? 20:06 cait did you change the default frameworks? 20:06 Bahruz i created new unimarc framework 20:06 cait and did you create a patron category with the name root? 20:06 cait oh unimarc 20:06 cait what language did you install koha in? 20:06 Bahruz and tried add biblio recod 20:06 Bahruz in english 20:06 cait where ar you located? 20:07 Bahruz in Azerbaijan 20:07 cait hm 20:07 cait are libraries in azerbaijan generally using unimarc? 20:07 Bahruz yea 20:07 cait aah 20:07 cait I didn't knwo that 20:08 cait a lot of countries are using marc21 20:08 Bahruz cait, are you librarian? 20:08 cait yes 20:09 cait my guess is, that it could be a mistake in the english frameworks 20:09 cait the french, mostly used, frameworks are sligthly different afaik 20:09 cait could you try administration > test bibliographic framework? 20:09 Bahruz that's why 20:09 cait and how did you create the new framework? 20:09 Bahruz i tried use default framework 20:09 Bahruz but the same error i saw 20:10 Bahruz Software error: 20:10 Bahruz Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2507. 20:10 cait hm yes 20:10 cait could you run the test on the administration page? 20:11 Bahruz can you use teamviewer? 20:11 Bahruz lets' i say u my id and password 20:11 Bahruz connect to my pc 20:11 Bahruz i will show you 20:11 Bahruz ok? 20:12 cait sorry, but i won't 20:13 cait i can try to help you here, but i am not very familiar with unimarc 20:13 cait runnign the test on the administration page would bemy next suggestion 20:13 cait you could also try mailing the mailing list - make sure to include the marcflavour, koha version and a good problem description 20:15 Bahruz i need koha devoloper for improve our library system 20:15 Bahruz and i want pay this devoloper for his help 20:15 cait there are lots of support provides you could contact 20:15 cait listed on the homepage 20:15 cait you could also try the mailing list 20:32 chris_n does this sound familiar folks: http://nerdvittles.com/?p=8721 20:32 chris_n http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=86014936&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch 20:36 * mtompset grumbles. 20:36 mtompset I really dislike fixing non-XSLT, only to discover I need to fix XSLT stuff too. 20:38 wizzyrea man i am glad we more or less dodged that bullet. 20:38 wizzyrea re: chris_n's link 20:38 wizzyrea also, good morning, happy #time_of_day 20:39 wizzyrea or $day_of_week 20:39 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 20:39 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:30 AM NZDT on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 20:39 wizzyrea light rain showers. oh you're funny. 20:39 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 20:39 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -11.9°C (3:39 PM EST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 20:40 * druthb decides to make mtompset just a lil jealous. 20:40 druthb @wunder 77098 20:41 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.8°C (2:40 PM CST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 21:29 eythian hi 21:32 cait hi eythian 21:32 eythian hi cait! 22:03 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. I'll be back to ask about filtering a MARCXML record. ;) 22:17 eythian http://awfullibrarybooks.net/tobias-goes-seal-hunting/ <-- a baby seal walks into a club 22:37 eythian jcamins: I see you reproducing a lot of what is already in the csvtomarc I have, you probably want to avoid that. 22:48 eythian http://twist.redspider.co.nz/captured/gbt32.png <-- cait 22:57 francharb bye all 22:58 dcook eythian: All the more reason to play scrabble, I would think 22:59 dcook Apparently French scrabble is quite good because of all the vowels. 23:04 eythian I play scrabble in both en and nl, nl is nice for clearing out vowels. 23:06 dcook My wife has been learning a bit of Dutch recently for work, and I saw some of the print outs she had...I have renewed respect for your commitment to the language, eythian 23:08 dcook I'm sure if I understood the grammar that it might be more comprehensible but dang. It seems close enough to German to understand but then different enough that I'm puzzled. 23:08 eythian It actually not too bad. It doesn't have a ridiculous grammar like German. 23:08 dcook (Not that I understand German, but find it not too bad to speak sometimes) 23:11 eythian http://www.duolingo.com/eythian <-- I'm slowly working my way through German too 23:12 dcook Nice one! I keep forgetting about duolingo... 23:14 * dcook needs to find a cheap/free option for keeping up on his French 23:14 eythian duolingo is free and quite good I find 23:15 dcook Alas, the Koha French listserv isn't as rivetting as I would like :p 23:15 eythian heh 23:15 dcook Hmm, maybe I should give that a go if only for maintenance 23:15 dcook Plus, it would be good to bone up on my Spanish again. 23:15 * dcook would love to learn all the languages 23:16 eythian it tracks the areas you're not so good at, and what you haven't practiced recently and such too which is nice. 23:16 dcook I used to work at a library that had a collection in more than 26 different languages. It was amazing... 23:16 eythian nice 23:16 dcook Ooo. That would be nice! 23:16 dcook There are a few tenses and moods that just don't come up as often as I would like 23:16 dcook Moods? Modes? Moods... 23:16 eythian moods 23:17 dcook Right 23:17 dcook Ah 23:17 dcook Mood in english. Mode in French. 23:17 dcook Both! 23:17 eythian ah :) 23:20 dcook Wow...Toronto to London, UK for 901... 23:21 dcook I'm not sure how many Canadians are on here right now except blou, but that's a pretty decent deal, me thinks 23:28 * dcook did not take enough advantage of living in North America at the time. 23:28 dcook Of course, I was a poor student, but c'est la vie... 23:28 dcook One of these days, I'll visit NZ. 23:29 eythian it's <901 if you time it right 23:30 eythian don't come today, we've got a bit of a cyclone. 23:30 dcook Earthquake yesterday, cyclone today... 23:31 wizzyrea every day something different ;) 23:31 dcook lol 23:31 dcook I guess you're never bored? 23:33 dcook lol 23:34 dcook This placement test is hilarious 23:34 dcook Des poissons mangent du riz. 23:35 dcook Le 23:35 dcook You can’t peek in a test! 23:35 dcook chat a une botte rouge. 23:36 dcook Oh man, I've already made two obvious mistakes...Duolingo is rather nice! 23:43 eythian hi there papa 23:43 eythian yeah, it's gamification is quite nice 23:45 eythian It's the die, der, das that usually catches me out. I just end up stuck at a stage for ages until it starts to absorb. 23:45 dcook I keep getting tripped up by not reading the full sentence :/ 23:45 eythian ah 23:45 dcook Or some of the audio as I have horrible hearing to begin with 23:45 eythian don't do that then :) 23:45 dcook Ah, I guess I could skip it, eh? 23:46 dcook But good practice, I suppose 23:46 eythian The audio is pretty good I find, as you can play it back slow, or put headphones on, or whatever. 23:46 dcook Not doing it won't make it go away 23:46 eythian :) 23:46 dcook Yeah, I like that you can play it slow 23:47 dcook Second guessed myself between "vendent-elles" and "vend-t-elle" 23:47 dcook It sounds the same! 23:47 eythian heh 23:48 * eythian considers braving the elements to fetch some lunch 23:48 dcook I need to learn some Dutch so I can wish you luck 23:48 eythian that's easy: succes 23:49 dcook Well, I wish you succes finding lunch out in the wild outdoors 23:49 dcook I love some of these 23:50 dcook Mark all the correct translations of "Your boy is ugly" 23:50 eythian haha 23:50 dcook Oh no, I'm out of hearts.. 23:50 eythian sad owl 23:50 * wizzyrea ponders the lunch question as well 23:51 * dcook has been chowing down on cashews all morning 23:51 * eythian just did the usual monday thing and pre-ordered subway 23:51 eythian also it's close and mostly covered 23:53 dcook I've been craving subway for weeks... 23:53 dcook Toning down the eating out this year in advance of going to Europe later in the year.. 23:55 dcook The accent is a bit odd...I keep hearing different letters.. 23:57 wizzyrea oh nuts, I have nuts. for nibbling. 23:57 wizzyrea there is no world in which that sentence does not come off as naughty. 23:58 wizzyrea not really intended though. 23:59 dcook Context is everything?