Time  Nick           Message
23:48 magnuse        weird winter indeed
23:48 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (11:50 PM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
23:48 magnuse        @wunder boo
23:06 francharb      bye all
23:06 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha.
22:50 mtompset       http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=3466947&postcount=5 ("I think you need Cat-alyst drivers for that motherboard")
22:50 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
20:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Pushed to Master , Export Citations not RDA compatible
20:03 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test
20:03 jenkins_koha   * Joy Nelson: Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible
20:03 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1583: FIXED in 1 hr 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1583/
20:03 wahanui        o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:03 jenkins_koha   Yippee, build fixed!
20:03 huginn         druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 15.4°C (2:02 PM CST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
20:03 druthb         @wunder 77098
20:01 huginn         rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 1.0°C (2:01 PM CST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
20:01 rambutan       @wunder 64507
19:56 cait           well not here in Konstanz, it's a weird winter
19:56 cait           no snow this year so far
19:56 cait           we got rain
19:55 jcamins        Ugh. Forecast is for -11C on Tuesday.
19:53 jcamins        Oh, huh. 17cm.
19:52 cait           oh
19:52 jcamins        We got 10cm, maybe.
19:52 jcamins        No.
19:52 jcamins        Except to that one enterprising woman who was going remarkably fast.
19:51 cait           youactually got so much snow in the city?
19:51 cait           not really
19:51 jcamins        So I can't say I'm surprised.
19:51 jcamins        It's not an obvious mode of urban transportation to me.
19:49 cait           i have never seen that here
19:49 jcamins        cait: this is the first time I ever saw someone skiing in the city.
19:49 cait           ?
19:48 jcamins        Apparently we can add "skiing" to our list of "ways people travel to get around New York City in 2014."
19:47 jcamins        Someone just skied by across the street.
19:36 * talljoy      is glad she already ate lunch.  grilled pizzas would drive me insanely hungry
18:41 cait           dunno
18:40 jcamins        cait: when are you getting your oven replaced?
18:34 cait           no pizza for me currently
18:34 * cait         would be happy with a new oven too
18:32 jcamins        Yeah, I'd love to have a grill.
18:32 tcohen         grilled pizza is great :-D
18:32 jcamins        I grilled hamburger buns once when visiting a friend, though.
18:31 jcamins        We don't have a grill.
18:31 tcohen         jcamins: have you tried like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QP3S8Nx5ijI/T_EYHX609zI/AAAAAAAAAjw/AZAac8xeyno/s1600/pizza.jpg
18:29 jcamins        magnuse: I usually use whole wheat flour, though yesterday I didn't out of pique with the whole wheat flour I've been using.
18:21 tcohen         Charcoal grilled
18:19 * tcohen       cooks its home made pizzas on his spit
18:19 * tcohen       makes his own pizza tooooo
18:15 * magnuse      wanders off to actually do it
18:15 magnuse        ah, i use "wholemeal flour" according to google translate
18:14 magnuse        the faster i can get it into the oven the better, it seems
18:14 magnuse        i have a dough with lots of fiber in it - if i give it any time to rise it falls flat
18:10 jcamins        Usually I make it after coming back late from work so I don't give it much time to proof, but yesterday Shari had to run errands after I got home, so it had time to rise.
18:10 jcamins        magnuse: I made some awesome pizza yesterday.
18:10 * magnuse      convinces himself to start making pizza
18:07 tcohen         jeff, the problem seems to be getting jasper server to run out of the box with whatever Koha needs to use it. It could be a nice enhancement for vendors to offer clients
18:05 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1583 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1581 1 day 0 hr ago)
18:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11192 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , Fix two definitions in ccl.properties
18:01 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo
18:01 jenkins_koha   * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties
18:01 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1582: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1582/
18:00 jcamins        oleonard: yeah, what a memorial: "Not as important as someone considered so unimportant as to not have her own name."
17:59 oleonard       I'll bet Anton Günther II would be mad to hear that his consort made more of herself than he did
17:58 jcamins        Seemingly.
17:58 jcamins        There's no authority for Anton Günther himself.
17:57 jcamins        Wow, what a heading: ‎‡a Augusta Dorothea,‏ ‎‡c Princess, consort of Anton Günther II, Prince of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen,‏ ‡d 1666-1751‏
17:56 jeff           Works very well for most users, though. I make no claims of its suitability either way for Koha.
17:56 jeff           And just to be clear, I think JasperReports is a great option for reporting, and JasperReports Server is a handy tool for staff to use for self-service reports against a wide array of sources. I just find myself staring at a Java stacktrace and dealing with Java more often than I like.
17:55 jcamins        tcohen: it seems counter-intuitive, but there are actually entire conferences devoted to describing games.
17:54 tcohen         interesting pov jcamins
17:53 jcamins        jeff: it turns out that if you don't want to hard code every aspect of the game, you have a problem.
17:52 jcamins        jeff: that was my original plan, but it's gotten wildly out of hand.
17:52 jeff           because oddly enough, that was something that came up in brief conversation last night. :P
17:51 jeff           does "taking an existing card game and defining a new variant/expansion based on a programming language" count?
17:48 jcamins        jeff: and then there are the people who when faced with the desire to play a card game say "I know, I'll just define a new language for defining card games."
17:48 jeff           We use JasperReports Server here to report against statistics databases and Evergreen.
17:47 jeff           (i kid, i kid!)
17:47 jeff           "Some people, when faced with a reporting problem, think 'I know, I'll use JasperReports!'. Now you have Java."
17:42 reiveune       bye
17:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Signed Off , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
17:37 tcohen         bug 8375, we should be using something like jasper reports
17:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Pushed to Master , Export Citations not RDA compatible
17:26 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test
17:26 jenkins_koha   * Joy Nelson: Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible
17:26 jenkins_koha   Project master_maria build #292: UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/292/
17:25 tcohen         ashimema: INDEXER_DAEMON needs a daemon, not a command
17:04 cait           thx
17:04 talljoy        cait just got your message on 2499 i will take a look
17:03 talljoy        later tell cait just got your message on 2499 i will take a look
17:02 talljoy        good mid-morning #koha
16:33 jenkins_koha   Starting build #292 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11192 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Master , Fix two definitions in ccl.properties
16:27 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo
16:27 jenkins_koha   * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties
16:27 jenkins_koha   Project master_maria build #291: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/291/
16:25 cait           bye all :)
16:21 ashimema       ack.. too many 'indexer' mentions.. I had my head wrapped around this stuff.. or at least I thought I had..  yes, I have tested the koha-indexer script.. with tamil enabled.. works nicely.. just reading it to see if/what would need to change to get it working nicely with rebuild_zebra (or rather koha-rebuild-zebra)
16:18 ashimema       you think koha-indexer needs refactoring or rebuild_zebra.pl then..
16:17 ashimema       just reading it now..
16:14 tcohen         it is called from the init script
16:13 tcohen         koha-indexer --help
16:13 tcohen         you should test it upon signing
16:13 tcohen         that has several switches
16:13 tcohen         koha-indexer is a helper script for packages
16:11 ashimema       koha-indexer script.. sorry you lost me slighlty there.
16:10 ashimema       rebuild_zebra has needed a good re-factoring (read re-writing from scratch) for a while..  I think you explained the whole history fo those bugs to me at some point.. shame an internal one didn't get through before tamil came on the scene.
16:09 cait           ashimema++
16:08 tcohen         ashimema: i meant the koha-indexer script
16:04 tcohen         the question would be if there's something tamil's-specific that would prevent rebuild_zebra to be daemonized
16:04 tcohen         (those introduced by 8773)
16:03 tcohen         anyway, the koha-*-indexer scripts all set the relevant environment variables
16:03 tcohen         i belive we need to refactor the rebuild_zebra script soon
16:03 tcohen         it does
16:02 ashimema       Works perfectly with the tamil indexer already :)
16:02 ashimema       tcohen: cheers.. I'll have a play.. very very close to signing off on qa for it now.. it's been a long time coming (sorry for that).. but i had to learn rather allot on the way to it..
16:00 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11066: (follow-up) add regression test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f90a4fb27ca06bbe39174b555f96445682a0c28> / Bug 11066: make RIS and Bibtex exports RDA compatible <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12feed267c84e7e68aacc988aed70af93a5a4f61>
16:00 tcohen         INDEXER_DAEMON="koha-index-daemon"
15:59 tcohen         ashimema: /etc/default/koha-common
15:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
15:59 ashimema       tcohen: bug 8773, how would one go about using a different indexing daemon with it? I assume it's just replace one of the config variables with the command to run another indexer... now that daemon mode is available in rebuild_zebra.pl I'd love to see if this patch can also support it.
15:57 gmcharlt       oleonard: or, level 3 strikes again!
15:56 oleonard       RDA: "Follow these rules! Or don't. Whatever."
15:56 oleonard       cait: Luckily RDA also says that all cataloging decisions are left to the discretion of the cataloger.
15:55 cait           can't see germany adopting that rule :)
15:55 cait           oleonard: it hink it's a question of interpretation maybe?
15:55 wahanui        oleonard: huh?
15:55 oleonard       wahanui: I'm picking "bad" in this case
15:55 wahanui        i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:55 cait           interesting
15:54 cait           hm
15:54 oleonard       RDA rules say that the cover of the book is the definitive reference for title, including case.
15:52 * cait         has some doubts
15:52 cait           oleonard: and all caps is rda?
15:51 kivilahtio     have a nice weekend!
15:44 oleonard       Looks like OCLC's starting to do more and more RDA cataloging. Some records from OverDrive are NOW IN ALL CAPS.
15:40 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11192: (follow-up) fix a little typo <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=211acdd30b000af33f1bb70b33356b8ac945f451> / Bug 11192: Fix lf and ff07-02 definition in ccl.properties <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a032b0a5cd73c9a67bab130c183751309fa95c6e>
15:39 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1582 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:38 tcohen         you might just test and see how bad it is
15:37 kivilahtio     our investement should cover us pretty well :)
15:37 kivilahtio     but I did some two years ago
15:37 kivilahtio     there is no coparison benchmark
15:37 kivilahtio     tcohen: It is pretty hard to make preformance tests as we dont have any data from our current ILS
15:37 tcohen         i'm not aware of that, sorry
15:36 kivilahtio     tcohen: I am mostly worried about how Zebra deals with caching, and can you preload the zebra to RAM on startup?
15:35 tcohen         maybe is not a bad idea to have the ssd drives, but it will depend on the load/size of your setup
15:35 jenkins_koha   Starting build #291 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:35 tcohen         kivilahtio: you should make some performance tests before investing i guess
15:31 kivilahtio     And we have them mirrored, so duh
15:30 kivilahtio     200GB
15:30 kivilahtio     SSD's cost like 2000$ a piece so I am not sure should we buy them
15:30 tcohen         but, we use lots of caching and RAM :-D
15:30 kivilahtio     tcohen: OK
15:30 tcohen         so we have latency
15:29 tcohen         (SCSI-over-Ethernet)
15:29 tcohen         oh, i have no experience with SSD in servers, we have several storage servers (with and without SSD) but we use them through iSCSI
15:29 kivilahtio     with libvirt+KVM I noticed the IO to be somewhat slower
15:28 kivilahtio     but I can just give the Zebra indexer native access to SSD's
15:28 kivilahtio     tcohen: ok, thanks! I'll stick to KVM+libvirt then. But I think i notice it esp with SSD's
15:28 tcohen         you wont' notice it
15:28 tcohen         the overhead is not something to worry about
15:28 kivilahtio     tcohen: yeah, that is pretty awesome
15:28 tcohen         virtualization will give you flexibility
15:27 kivilahtio     but then again virtualization adds overhead and I have no idea which one is better
15:27 kivilahtio     tho we have 2x4 cores, but wouldnt want to waste hardware on inefficiency
15:27 tcohen         that's correct kivilahtio
15:26 kivilahtio     tcohen: But I thought if there are multiple threads in Koha, then DB might have to wait for CPU time
15:26 kivilahtio     tcohen: they compete for IO
15:26 kivilahtio     tcohen: I thought virtualization solves that one?
15:25 tcohen         they will compete anyway (in the host OS)
15:25 kivilahtio     tcohen: ok
15:24 tcohen         (i.e. multiple http front-ends, a single shared db)
15:24 kivilahtio     tcohen: I thought they comp0ete for resources if they are under one OS
15:24 tcohen         having mysql apart from the front-end server makes sense for (horizontal) scalability
15:24 kivilahtio     tcohen: for us the zebra index gets pretty large, say 50GB+
15:24 kivilahtio     tcohen: but I was planning to run the zebra index from the ssd
15:23 kivilahtio     tcohen: 128GB
15:23 ashimema       the koha-remove script isn't completely thorough either yet is it..
15:23 tcohen         if you have spare memory you won't have problems with IO and the DB
15:23 kivilahtio     shouldnt be an issue :) tho ridiculously expensive, just crazy, and our provider didnt let us use anything more affordable
15:23 kivilahtio     tcohen: we got some HP brand SSD's
15:23 kivilahtio     so it's not only Koha
15:22 tcohen         the bottleneck is (as usual) IO
15:22 kivilahtio     I am trying to grasp that
15:22 kivilahtio     300+ wow
15:22 kivilahtio     tcohen: up
15:22 tcohen         the only benefit I see is isolation
15:22 cait           unreadable_templates--
15:22 tcohen         we virtualize everything here (300+ servers)
15:22 kivilahtio     tcohen: I am just curious if there is any benefit to virtualization when using one server to host the DB and application logic(Koha)
15:21 kivilahtio     tcohen: I agree, with libvirt virtualization is quite easy, but there are some optimization parts that get more complex
15:21 kivilahtio     tcohen: What I am worried about is the increased overhead caused by virutalization
15:21 tcohen         just a couple of commands
15:21 kivilahtio     just thinking about separating db and logic
15:20 tcohen         for me, vistualization is really easy
15:20 kivilahtio     would make things easier for sure
15:20 cait           argh = might have found it :)
15:20 kivilahtio     tcohen: then again should I just skip virtualization :)
15:19 tcohen         the question is if lxc is
15:19 tcohen         kvm certaintly is suitable
15:19 kivilahtio     I guess I should separate MariaDB and Koha to separate LXC's
15:19 cait           argh.
15:19 kivilahtio     we have only one serve rto run all the services on
15:19 ashimema       yeah.. that's sounds about right.
15:19 kivilahtio     any opinions? Which would be more suitable for Koha?
15:18 ashimema       I'm generally trying to get to grips with the packaging stuff.. adding one more person to the small list of people who can reasonably thoroughly check packaging bugs.
15:18 kivilahtio     do you have experience between lxc and kvm?
15:18 tcohen         we just need to catch the db upgrade failure, alert the user and move on, I guess
15:17 ashimema       hehe.. cheers
15:17 tcohen         i'll try to do something about it
15:17 tcohen         i completely forgot about that bug
15:16 ashimema       awesome.. knew you were the right guy to ask
15:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , .deb upgrade fails on incomplete instance setup
15:16 tcohen         bug 8779
15:15 ashimema       I see.. that might make sense
15:15 tcohen         so when you install, it tries to upgrade the db schema
15:15 tcohen         but it hasn't got its DB initialized
15:14 tcohen         that happens (usually) when you have already tried creating an instance
15:14 ashimema       slightly lost now... sure it worked the first time
15:14 ashimema       the apt-get then fails
15:13 ashimema       for the dpkg -i piece?
15:13 ashimema       tcohen:  I followed the easy packaging guide.. and for quickness am trying to install the created package using the 'dpkg -i' -> 'apt-get -f install' method.. should i really get lots of lines like: Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
15:10 cait           k
15:07 tcohen         cait: of course not, but if you bring some mate cookies, I'll put dulce de leche on them
15:06 francharb      ;)
15:06 * francharb    pitch a load of cookies to cait
15:06 cait           tcohen: do they exist?
15:06 * druthb       sends cookies, too
15:06 ashimema       any packaging guru's about?
15:06 * tcohen       sends mate cookies with dulce de leche
15:05 cait           hard to explain because i changed something... just send cookies?
15:05 tcohen         cait: what's up?
15:05 cait           hmpf? :)
15:05 francharb      ;)
15:05 francharb      everything gonna be alright
15:05 francharb      cait, breathe
15:04 cait           i am gonig to scream if i can't figure out what's going wrong here soon :(
14:54 tcohen         hi gmcharlt
14:54 cait           thx jcamins
14:54 cait           lol
14:54 * jcamins      heads into the city, having helped cait on her quest for better fried food.
14:53 oleonard       ebegin: You might have to take off your mittens
14:52 ebegin         pffff... just write a line for debug purpose and I wrote 'warm' instead of 'warn' :)
14:51 jcamins        cait: I always add oregano.
14:50 ebegin         warmer that yesterday's -27C :)
14:50 cait           *sigh*
14:49 * cait         changed something int he breadcrumbs and now they won't work
14:49 cait           gr.
14:49 oleonard       I had a feeling you could top mine ebegin
14:49 ebegin         :(
14:48 huginn         ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -23.0°C (9:00 AM EST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -30.0°C. Windchill: -30.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
14:48 ebegin         @wunder montreal quebec
14:48 huginn         oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -12.7°C (9:40 AM EST on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising).
14:48 oleonard       @wunder 45701
14:43 ebegin         good morning
14:43 francharb      pouette
14:15 bgallagher     Alright night night all
14:09 magnuse        Alfred Russel Wallace seems to have been quite fond of it though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian#Flavour_and_odour
14:08 magnuse        lol
14:07 bgallagher     Two of the hotels we stayed at had it listed that you could not bring it in to the hotel
14:07 magnuse        "the durian is distinctive for its large size, strong odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk"
14:06 oleonard       Yeah I was warned against that one
14:06 bgallagher     Yes that is the smelly one
14:06 magnuse        is that the smelly one?
14:06 bgallagher     Happy new year cait
14:06 bgallagher     oleonard: Not durarian (spelling?) though
14:05 kivilahtio     especially rambutans
14:05 oleonard       bgallagher: I hope you're getting some fresh fruit too. Mangosteens, longans, rambutans, etc.
14:05 cait           happy new year bgallagher :)
14:02 bgallagher     Haha
14:02 oleonard       (okay maybe not the shark fin part)
14:02 oleonard       bgallagher: If I didn't know where you were right now I might think you were eating with hobos
14:01 magnuse        hiya tcohen and bgallagher
14:01 tcohen         hi magnuse !
14:01 bgallagher     Well I ate deep fried pigeon, shark fin, and goose flipper tonight
13:45 kmkale         sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha
13:42 kmkale         I'm sure it can be adopted. Looks really great!
13:42 magnuse        and if we all make sure we get our names on there every month, great things will happen! :-)
13:41 magnuse        that's true
13:41 cait           but I can see your point :)
13:41 cait           magnuse: but it's all our custom status and such, so it would take work to modify i guess
13:41 magnuse        it's mostly data from bugzilla, isn't it? i can imagine other projects finding something like that useful
13:40 cait           kmkale: it's probably quite specific to koha tho
13:39 magnuse        hiya kmkale!
13:39 kmkale         hi magnuse :-)
13:39 kmkale         yup thats a piece of work much worth spinning off as a project on its own
13:39 magnuse        kivilahtio: https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard
13:38 cait           and quite sure there is a git repo somewhere
13:38 cait           i think it pulls data from different sources
13:38 kivilahtio     I'm pretty sure it's not built on Jira :)
13:38 kmkale         reading about sandboxes. Fascinating!!
13:38 kivilahtio     I wonder how it is made
13:37 kivilahtio     dashboard is cool!
13:37 kmkale         :-)
13:37 druthb         hi, kmkale.  :)
13:37 kmkale         hi druthb
13:37 kmkale         hey cait
13:36 cait           happy new year kmkale and oleonard
13:28 kmkale         Wow!! rangi++
13:26 tcohen         rangi's
13:26 kmkale         is it based on some FOSS? or is it koha community creation?
13:25 kmkale         http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ looks great
13:23 kmkale         Hi oleonard
13:23 oleonard       And to you too kmkale
13:19 kmkale         Happy new year #koha
13:15 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:50 kivilahtio     gday francharb!
12:48 francharb      Hello #koha
12:41 ashimema       hmm... motd is a bit out of date.. we have 3.14.01 now ;)
12:34 cait           i am hoping :)
12:33 kivilahtio     cait: And have a awesome new year
12:33 kivilahtio     cait: Thanks for your help!
12:32 cait           it should not :)
12:32 kivilahtio     cait: Shouldn't happen very often
12:32 kivilahtio     cait: hmm, I feel this wont be much of an issue
12:31 cait           or 'run the script for another date'
12:31 cait           it's hard to recreate them the other day
12:31 cait           what i tmeans is that if you miss to create your ovedues on one day for whatever reason
12:30 cait           i guess the packages do it that way
12:30 kivilahtio     cait: I should read more thoroughyl :(
12:30 kivilahtio     This could be circumvented by using the /etc/cron.daily/ -folder?
12:30 kivilahtio     cait: "Add the --triggered option for daily cron, at the risk of no notice being generated if the cron fails to run on time."
12:28 cait           then it will follow the notice triggers set in the interface, that#s how we do it
12:27 cait           kivilahtio: look into the -t option
12:26 kivilahtio     ofc!
12:26 tcohen         Yes! heh
12:26 kivilahtio     how do you deal with overdue_notices.pl? If you run it nightly, I get the same overdue email sent every day?
12:26 tcohen         will this be a great year for Koha?
12:25 kivilahtio     good day tcohen!
12:25 cait           hi tcohen
12:25 tcohen         morning #koha!
12:08 cait           at least it looks like it's working now :)
12:07 cait           XSLT.pm
12:05 cait           ah i think i know
12:01 * cait         might be just a bit confused right now
12:01 cait           ok... so um. what would the path be relativ to then?
12:00 ashimema       but yeah.. we jsut stick them next to the defaults
12:00 ashimema       you can host them pretty much anywhere you like ;)
12:00 ashimema       yeah, you can use relative paths..
11:58 cait           the xslt are all in the same directory as the standard xslt
11:57 cait           trying for the first time right now
11:57 cait           ashimema: doyou know if it takes a relativ path?
11:57 cait           i was thinking maybe Joubu or khall
11:57 ashimema       yes we use local xslt's now.. though I'm still pondering exactly how to merge in the updates from the changing default into our custom ones.
11:57 cait           ashimema: i agree with you - but sadly rangi is not
11:56 ashimema       is Chris on qa this release.. I think he would understand it nicely and could test it pretty quick.. it's a trivial patch really.. just gone through the loop a few times to get it perfect for packages etc.. both robin and galen have already pretty much given it their blessing.
11:55 cait           ashimema: are you using external xslt btw?
11:55 cait           but i agree about wanting this to go in
11:54 cait           not sure i know how to make sure that it actually does what it says :(
11:54 cait           i think the flock testing scared me off a bit
11:54 cait           ah i see
11:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Signed Off , rebuild_zebra.pl can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds
11:51 ashimema       bug 11078
11:51 ashimema       sorry.. kettle boiled.. I can't mis the kettle.. it's sacroligous
11:48 cait           ashimema: bug number! .)
11:42 cait           which bug? :)
11:39 ashimema       and am about to give it another sign-ff comment as I've now tested it with yet more variations.. (I build a package with it)
11:39 ashimema       Robin has verified it should work with packages too..  I’d QA but I signed it off in a various iteration..
11:38 ashimema       there's a pretty good test plan for it I believe..
11:38 cait           the problem is, i might not know how to test it
11:37 cait           which of those?
11:37 ashimema       sounds fun..
11:37 ashimema       You didn't get a chance to checkout the zebra locking bug did you?  I'd love to see that go in..
11:37 cait           updating it :)
11:37 cait           used for manuscripts
11:37 cait           we have one heavier customized koha
11:36 ashimema       oh?
11:36 cait           working on something that I wanted to work on all last year
11:36 cait           i enjoy the quiet :)
11:35 ashimema       yeah... lucky buggers :P
11:35 cait           friday aftre lots of holidays... guess still a lot of people on vacation
11:35 * cait         felt a little ignored :)
11:34 ashimema       hi cait
11:34 ashimema       tumbleweed drifts by..
11:30 * cait         waves
11:29 ashimema       quiet here today
08:54 nlegrand       hey #koha
08:46 cait           magnuse: clear is a lie... lts of white fog today
08:43 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:43 magnuse        @wunder boo
08:43 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1°C (9:40 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:43 magnuse        @wunder konstanz
08:43 magnuse        bonjour reiveune
08:43 reiveune       hi cait, magnuse, rangi
08:42 cait           hi reiveune :)
08:37 reiveune       hello
07:57 arunkumars3189 need info
07:56 wahanui        niihau, arunkumars3189
07:56 arunkumars3189 hello
07:36 magnuse        yeah, i thought it was kinda warm...
07:36 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
07:36 magnuse        @wunder boo
06:37 * magnuse      waves
06:34 cait           good morning #koha
05:54 dcook          I guess only part of it was fixed..
05:53 wahanui        http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg
05:53 * dcook        facepalm
05:53 dcook          That moment when you realize that someone has already fixed something in master and you didn't realize until you've already written out a detailed bug report
05:27 dcook          Bleargh...too many problems...
03:53 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha!
03:48 mtompset       WOW! That was a split.
03:04 dcook          Maybe I'll try gmcharlt's idea of a patch series...
03:04 dcook          Hmm
02:42 dcook          This log viewer isn't anywhere even close to right..
02:41 dcook          eythian++
02:33 eythian        Oh, I totally forgot to check that the version numbers would be right. Good thing they are.
02:32 eythian        new master packages uploading, for those on the bleeding edge.
02:14 dcook          Hmm, looks like a bug in a log viewer..
01:18 mtompset       No problem, I figure a reminder randomly can't hurt. Sometimes, people need a break from the piles of things thrown at them. :)
01:15 mtompset       I'm in the midst of cleaning up branches in my git repo.
01:15 dcook          I'd love for you to sign it off, but I'm working on local stuff atm.
01:15 mtompset       I'd love to sign it off. ;)
01:15 dcook          Probably even.
01:14 dcook          Mmm, maybe
01:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Add a 999$c record matching rule to the MARC21 defaults
01:14 mtompset       Are you ever going to get back to bug 10811?
01:14 dcook          Hmm?
01:14 mtompset       dcook: *ping*
01:13 eythian        NO worries.
01:05 vinz3g         Gracias!
01:05 vinz3g         Thanks
01:00 eythian        I would recommend that.
01:00 vinz3g         ok, I think you're right, and it's better to have a dedicated vps koha
00:57 eythian        you probably can, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets problematic in parts.
00:55 vinz3g         ok, ok, okay, it's just trying to hold my VPS and have seen full Googling, you may do so, however there is not much documentation about it ...
00:53 eythian        Most people don't tend to use Koha with panel things, so far as I know.
00:52 vinz3g         hi, good afternoon
00:51 eythian        afternoon
00:51 eythian        no wait
00:51 eythian        good morning.
00:51 vinz3g         good night, I wonder if anyone has experience in installing koha vhosts? using some panel, for example ZPanel or cpanel?
00:34 rangi          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFwGdKA5veU&noredirect=1  <-- we are kinda used to this weather now, this was 2 days ago
00:26 eythian        Now you usually have a few plants and use it to heat the rest of the house :)
00:25 eythian        so that in cold old ~16th century England you could have tropical fruits growing to impress your guests when they visit.
00:25 eythian        traditionally you'd have plants in it.
00:25 rambutan       :)
00:24 rambutan       close counts
00:23 eythian        whereas I'd consider a sunroom a smallish room with big windows.
00:23 eythian        but usually made totally out of glass and attached to a house.
00:23 eythian        in essence, yes
00:23 eythian        sorta
00:22 rambutan       what's a conservatory? a sun room maybe?
00:21 rangi          "What is left to blow down in Wellington has already blown down in the past several months"
00:21 rambutan       looks like the lamp post was rotten at the bottom anyway
00:10 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9573316/Damaging-winds-to-whip-the-country
00:08 eythian        http://zork.net/~sneakums/orly.png