Time Nick Message 00:04 jcamins @wunder 11375 00:04 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 16.8°C (6:56 PM EST on December 22, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 00:05 jcamins It's *hotter* how than it was at 5pm? Ugh. 00:07 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 00:07 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 32.0°C (9:05 PM ART on December 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 00:07 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 00:07 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 29.0°C (11:05 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 00:08 * dcook forgot his water bottle at home today...facepalm 00:38 dcook magnuse++ 03:21 dcook So French diacritics are showing up as � in acquisitions, but appear fine everywhere else... 03:21 dcook If I backup the db and reload it elsewhere, it's fine in acquisitions and everywhere else 03:22 jcamins dcook: reload it into a different database on the same computer, see if the problem is still there. 03:22 dcook If I understand you correctly, that's what I've done :/ 03:23 dcook Actually, I should rephrase...only the diacritics in the title are off 03:23 dcook The author and notes are OK in acquisitions as well 03:23 jcamins dcook: then no idea. 03:23 dcook Hmm, I wonder.. 03:23 jcamins Resave the record, see if it fixes it. 03:23 dcook Ah, nice one. 03:24 dcook I was thinking of doing a touch_all_biblio later 03:24 jcamins Start with one record. 03:24 dcook C'est une bonne idée ;) 03:24 * dcook realizes that he probably sounds like a massive wanker every time he speaks/writes French 03:25 dcook s/realizes/has just realized/ 03:26 dcook Intriguing... 03:26 dcook No change 03:27 dcook Time to look at the code, me thinks.. 03:35 dcook I'm thinking maybe these records aren't UTF-8 encoded and Koha compensates for that in most places but not this one...but that doesn't necessarily make sense because other data from those records seems fine 03:37 dcook Looks fine in the database.. 03:45 dcook Oh hoh... 03:46 dcook In my browser, I decide to try out Windows 8859-1, and it renders the � into readable characters 03:46 dcook Mmm records with mixed encoding. That's fun. 03:46 * dcook is a bit surprised that opening and saving the bib record didn't fix that record.. 03:47 jcamins I'm not. I'm just surprised that it displays correctly anywhere. 03:47 dcook Mmm, good point. 03:48 dcook I know we have a bit of character encoding magic sprinkled around the place... 03:51 dcook MySQL mentions that it dumps everything as utf8 but I'm surprised it managed to transcode everything correctly as well 04:16 ebegin dcook, the control displaying your �, is it a javascript / jquery 04:17 ebegin I saw this problem with the patrons category in the patrons search page (the one that shows when clicking the [+] in the patron search page) 04:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:35 mtompset @seen davidnind 04:35 huginn` mtompset: davidnind was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <davidnind> Bruce_ :-[ 04:58 mtompset Greetings, dcook. Are you just auto-joining? 04:58 dcook Auto-rejoining. Pretty much :p 04:58 mtompset Ah, but you're still at the desk. ;) 04:59 mtompset No holidays yet? 04:59 dcook Starting in about an hour 05:00 mtompset Any particular fixes you would like signed off that you have a good test plan for? 05:09 dcook bug 10811 05:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a 999$c record matching rule to the MARC21 defaults 05:09 dcook Well, I'll have to check it.. 05:09 dcook But it's super easy in theory 05:10 dcook Hmm, probably needs a rebase now 05:14 dcook Wow, I had more signoffs in 2013 than I thought 05:14 dcook Still nowhere near as many as I should've done 05:18 mtompset Not everyone is superman, as long as you have bug fixes submitted and signoffs done, you are doing better than most. Some never do signoffs. 05:19 mtompset It does need a rebase. 05:19 dcook Rebasing as we speak ;) 05:19 dcook True, but I like to compare myself against myself rather than others. 05:19 dcook It was a rather busy year though. 05:21 mtompset And actually, I think I have an improved test plan for that. So, I should be able to sign off for that. :) 05:22 dcook Sweet. The rebased patch is up now. 05:22 mtompset starting my VM. 05:23 mtompset updating my master branch. :) 05:25 dcook You can try bug 10824 too if you'd like although it's a bit more debateable perhaps 05:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OAI-PMH repository/server not handling time in "from" argument 05:25 mtompset Uh oh... 05:25 mtompset fails qa tool test. 05:26 dcook Interesting. How's that? 05:26 mtompset you need to escape the $c 05:27 dcook In the SQL? 05:27 mtompset yep. 05:27 mtompset "... '999$c' ..." 05:28 mtompset Line 7861 05:28 dcook Probably in kohastructure.sql as well 05:29 mtompset Actually... you don't change the structure of the table. 05:29 dcook Errr not that one, but the other one 05:29 mtompset No need for kohastructure.sql as far as I can tell. 05:29 mtompset Nope. 05:29 mtompset Because it isn't part of a double quote string. 05:30 mtompset The single quote causes it to glob like a string. 05:32 dcook marc21_default_matching_rules.sql 05:32 dcook Alas, I've run out of time. 05:33 dcook Thanks anyway, mtompset :) 05:33 dcook Can you just put a comment on the bug for me to fix that later? 05:33 mtompset Sure I can do that. 05:44 mtompset Enjoy your holiday break, dcook. :) 05:44 mtompset I think I'll leave too. 05:44 mtompset Have a great holiday season, #koha. :) 05:58 dcook All right. Happy holidays, #koha. I doubt I'll be around again until Jan 2nd 06:51 hgh alo 06:51 hgh hello 06:51 hgh every body 07:53 alex_a bonjour 07:55 gaetan_B hello 08:01 petter good morning 09:12 * magnuse waves 10:01 pablito hi everyone 10:02 pablito is there an easy way to batch change item types? 10:03 pablito I want to change some 2000 "books" type to be of "reserve" type 10:11 * Oak waves 10:12 Oak guys, on a new install. to make a "New Framework", which framework do I base it on? It's for books basically. 10:12 Oak the "Default Framework"? or the "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" one? 10:23 magnuse Oak: i think i would base it on the "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" on 10:23 magnuse that should exclude fields that are specific to music, for example. 10:24 magnuse so there should be less fields to remove/hide for you 10:24 magnuse pablito: there is a tool called "Batch item modification" which should help you do that 10:26 Oak thank you magnuse! 10:28 pablito thank you! :-) 10:29 Oak magnuse: can I hide 007 http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007.html ? 10:30 magnuse Oak: i think so 10:30 Oak just want to hear your answer. if you say yes, then i will make decisions myself for other fields as well. 10:30 Oak good. 11:18 Oak what is 100 9 (RLIN)? 11:18 Oak magnuse 12:22 NateC morning #koha 12:28 cait hi all :) 13:05 francharb morning #koiha 13:11 cait khall: around? 13:11 cait I have a question about bug 6254 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6254 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , can't set patron privacy by default 13:11 cait and hi francharb :) 13:12 francharb hi cait 13:14 cait @later tell khall - can you take a look at my commen ton bug 6254? 13:14 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 13:54 tcohen morning #koha 13:55 cait bye all :) have to go to the playground with the little nephew 14:10 talljoy morning #koha 14:11 cait and happy holidays to everyone :) 14:13 * Oak waves 14:13 Oak magnuse 14:13 talljoy i know it's early (at least for me) but is someone in that has knowledge of the updatetotalissues cronjob? 15:03 tcohen fridolin? 15:03 tcohen is he around? 15:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #148 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #144 12 days ago) 15:09 tcohen gmcharlt: i want 10905 on the 3.12.x branch 15:10 gmcharlt tcohen: I'll take a look at it shortly 15:10 tcohen thanks 15:18 * matts thanks rangi for the sign-off and test plan for BZ 11412 :) 15:22 Oak rangi++ 15:26 rambutan hi Oak 15:29 Oak hello rambutan 15:30 Oak :) 15:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #148: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/148/ 15:34 jenkins_koha Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 15:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 15:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #273 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago) 15:37 rambutan "held taut by the tension" I can't wait for the book to come out. Murder mystery. 15:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #1566 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago) 15:40 talljoy is jcamins in today? 15:40 talljoy i think it's going to be a quiet day today..... 15:40 talljoy and i'm full of questions. 15:41 tcohen hi talljoy 15:41 talljoy hiya! 15:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f74d5909f790d08bdbd0ca11f1bc280bf197b9b> 15:41 talljoy how's the southern hemisphere? 15:41 tcohen warm, too warm 15:42 tcohen 38°C 15:42 talljoy it's cold here. i wish it was warm 15:42 talljoy tcohen have you met the new bywater employee? 15:43 talljoy rocio you in here? 15:43 tcohen who? 15:43 rocio yes! 15:43 tcohen hi rocio :-D 15:43 rocio hello! 15:43 talljoy rocio meet Tomas, Tomas meet Rocio 15:43 talljoy tcohen rocio is from Argentina! 15:43 rocio nice to meet you, Tomas 15:43 tcohen oh! sounds great :-D 15:43 rocio haha yes! 15:43 tcohen where are you from? 15:43 rocio buenos aires 15:44 tcohen i'm from cordoba 15:44 talljoy which is where the next Kohacon will be held! 15:44 rocio ah, you are from cordoba! that's where the next conference is right? 15:44 rocio yeah! 15:44 tcohen exactly :-D 15:44 rocio so cool! 15:45 tcohen are you a librarian? 15:45 rocio you will have to take everyone out for some argentine food 15:45 talljoy yum yum. 15:45 rocio I actually just graduated 15:45 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:45 rocio talljoy we can call ourselves librarians now right?! 15:45 tcohen yes, we are adjusting the details on the food front 15:45 talljoy yes 15:46 mtompset Greetings, rocio tcohen talljoy. 15:46 rocio lol then yes! 15:46 talljoy i always refer to myself as the non reading librarian. 15:46 rocio greetings mtompset! 15:46 rocio I am that too.... 15:46 rocio I read.... maybe a book or two a year 15:47 talljoy that's about what I average too. 15:47 rocio I don't say that out loud when I'm around other librarians lol 15:47 talljoy hahaha me either 15:49 talljoy i've lost my mom's empanada recipe, sadly. but did find her noquis recipe! 15:50 rocio oh man I love noquis so much!!!!!!! 15:50 talljoy rocio if you have a good empanada recipe, I'll take it! 15:50 rocio I will pass it along! 15:50 talljoy i remember from when you came for training! 15:50 rocio and my parents found the empanada dough here too! they buy a whole bunch and keep them in the freezer now 15:50 rocio ah, yes 15:50 rocio the only problem is, she smothered them in meat sauce 15:52 talljoy heh 15:53 talljoy anyone know what the marc tag is for biblioitems.totalissues ? i'm assuming it is the 942 tag, but what subfield? 15:55 tcohen talljoy: i have several recipes 15:56 * talljoy would love one 15:56 ebegin talljoy, 952$l 15:57 talljoy is that an l as in lion or 1 as in the number? 15:57 tcohen thanks gmcharlt 15:58 ebegin l as in lion. This is a one (1), this is the letter l 15:59 gmcharlt ebegin: l as l10n? 15:59 gmcharlt ;) 15:59 talljoy ebegin i'm actually looking for the biblioitems.totalissues not items.issues 15:59 ebegin :) 15:59 talljoy this is for the update_totalissues.pl cronjob 16:00 talljoy the script is failing because it can't find the totalissues tag (because I don't have one) 16:00 francharb talljoy, did you map it? 16:00 talljoy and before i just pick a random one, i thought I'd check to see if there was a 'standard' one 16:00 talljoy francharb haven't yet 16:00 talljoy i was just going to go with 942 and a subfield not currently used in the framework. 16:01 francharb dont think there is a standard field for local items... 16:01 francharb talljoy, I would do the same 16:01 ebegin talljoy, which script is failing ? 16:01 ebegin bulkmarcimport ? 16:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=266f2a3a9f3d67fed0e0b35d267419a901345b92> / Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc7071f3705bc43878975efadd9c0c0067c6ad37> 16:02 talljoy ebgin the update_totalissues.pl cronjob is failing 16:03 talljoy basically on line 3599-3607 in Biblio.pm 16:03 talljoy clearly my framework is lacking. 16:03 ebegin talljoy, latest version ? 16:06 ebegin The default mapping seems to be 942$0 (as zero) 16:07 ebegin in the koha 2 marc links 16:07 ebegin <yourURL>:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/koha2marclinks.pl 16:08 talljoy sorry was on phone. 16:08 talljoy 0? i can go with that. sounds good. 16:08 talljoy and yes, i'm on 3.14 with this particular site. 16:08 talljoy bleeding edge (nearly) 16:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7137ee91e0a9c5278d15c116612c62d2c2bd1926> / Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e2754af6a2dbd5f042a1c3504488f5de8c8d23> 16:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=930f4f393e26dd80a6ae35f2f6e692671fadb04c> / Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a52759b0f1f48661d357a0738cb68f6cb17edae> / Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f015d0502 16:22 talljoy ebegin that did it for me. cron is now working! 16:22 talljoy ebegin++ 16:22 jcamins talljoy: you already figured it out, but for the logs, the total issues count must be stored in the subfield configured with Zebra (942$0). 16:23 talljoy thanks jcamins. 16:23 talljoy yes, we got around to it eventually! 16:25 talljoy jcamins what do you recommend for the commit value? This is a large site (>500K items) 16:26 jcamins I usually use ~500. But it depends on the server. 16:27 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #273: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/273/ 16:27 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file 16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Move styling from element to CSS file for search input field in OPAC 16:28 jcamins If you don't have so much memory, the default may be better. 16:30 talljoy what is the default? 16:31 jcamins 100 16:31 thanhtrung Má»i ngÆ°á»i có ai hiểu triển khai Koha trên cloud là nhÆ° thế nà o hok 16:31 thanhtrung :D 16:31 talljoy okay, i'm going to go with 500 and see how that does. 16:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be55359877a0e4d9e772670ce841316a82bef765> / Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d540016b19bc35e56733e3d2bb36a04bc038e420> / Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h 16:31 talljoy thanks jcamins 16:32 jcamins thanhtrung: I'm not sure we have anyone who speaks Vietnamese around at the moment. 16:32 thanhtrung okay 16:33 gaetan_B is it a known bug that when cloning a field, the default values in the subfields are not copied in the new field ? 16:33 gaetan_B i didn't find anything about this in bugzilla 16:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #274 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago) 16:35 thanhtrung Help me?deployment Koha on Cloud (pass) 16:36 jcamins thanhtrung: do you have a specific question? 16:36 ebegin thanhtrung, i think we will need more information 16:39 rambutan thanhtrung: here's a very brief and slightly dated link that might help? http://bywatersolutions.com/2010/10/28/kohacon10-koha-in-the-cloud/ 16:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4f846a866d24779ff18634bd1da2e0c00086fe4> / Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d46dc95030dfe15c12f6f888938cea786c7e428> / Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cada676e 16:42 thanhtrung sofware management library Koha on Cloud ?? 16:47 gaetan_B thanhtrung: if you are looking for a company that can provide paid hosting service for Koha (that is a fully functionnal koha hosted somewhere else for which you would pay an annual fee) you will find several here. I'm one of them ;) 16:47 gaetan_B if you want to host your own koha i suggest looking at the instructions in the wiki 16:48 jcamins thanhtrung: you'll probably need to ask specific questions to get the help you need. "The Cloud" is just another way of saying "virtual servers," and you can definitely run Koha on virtual servers. 16:50 ebegin thanhtrung, yes, Koha on cloud. 16:50 thanhtrung yes 16:52 ebegin @wunder montreal quebec 16:52 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -7.0°C (11:00 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 16:52 jcamins @wunder 11375 16:52 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 12.8°C (11:43 AM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 16:52 jcamins ^^ for contrast 16:53 ebegin -7 is not too bad actually :-) 16:53 jcamins ebegin: I'd rather -7 than +13. 16:53 jcamins (in December) 16:54 thanhtrung I want to deploy software Koha library management on the cloud (pass ) Who can help me, please 16:54 jcamins packages? 16:54 jcamins Oh, no wahanui. 16:55 jcamins thanhtrung: this is the best set of installation instructions: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 16:55 ebegin jcamins, i wanted to ask him some questions too :) 16:55 jcamins At least, that's my experience. 16:55 ebegin Nice discussion ;) 16:56 jcamins @later tell eythian Could you please give wahanui a kick? He's MIA, and we miss him terribly. 16:56 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:56 jcamins ebegin: I should've said "make sure to hold down control or shift while clicking the link." Oh well. 16:57 ebegin jcamins, yes, clicking 16:57 ebegin ;) 16:57 francharb Merry christmas 16:57 francharb :) 16:57 ebegin Yes, merry 16:57 ebegin Merry on the cloud 16:58 * ebegin stop niaising 16:58 Rolls I want to deploy software Koha library management on the cloud (pass ) Who can help me, please 16:58 francharb There's Something About Merry 16:59 ebegin Rolls, what do you mean by (pass) ? 17:00 francharb looks like skynet has just infiltrated koha irc... 17:01 gaetan_B and it's trying to run Koha... doomed! we are all doomed! 17:02 jcamins gaetan_B: no we're not. If Skynet were to use MARC, it would get so confused in the twisty maze of passages, all alike, that it would never get around to dealing with humans. 17:03 francharb AHAHAHA 17:03 gaetan_B indeed jcamins, librarians have been saving humanity from the singularity one marc subfield at a time 17:03 gaetan_B francharb made a nice discovery about marc21 today by the way... 17:04 jcamins gaetan_B: if you add up all the valid tag numbers the result is divisible by 777? 17:05 francharb jcamins, I would have said 42 17:05 francharb ;) 17:06 jcamins francharb: MARC is more sinister than that. 17:06 francharb :) 17:07 gaetan_B well jcamins, i don't want to make it seem like i'm showing off, but in unimarc, we have zone 005 17:08 gaetan_B it contains the date and time of creation of the record 17:08 gaetan_B and its precision is the tenth of a second 17:08 ebegin gaetan_B, but no centuries (i guess) 17:09 gaetan_B the format is AAAMMJJHMMSS.D so the year is on 4 digits, and at the end you have tenth of seconds 17:10 gaetan_B just in case 17:10 gaetan_B it does not manage cases of records created after year 9999, which is a shame though 17:13 gmcharlt gaetan_B: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd005.html 17:13 gmcharlt gaetan_B: and yes, dealing with Y10K problems with our MARC records then will be bad 17:13 gmcharlt especially if we're actually dealing with MARC records then ;) 17:14 gmcharlt @quote random 17:14 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #125: "<oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom." (added by gmcharlt at 01:14 PM, April 06, 2011) 17:15 gaetan_B damn once again the French are bragging about something that is not their own... 17:16 gmcharlt gaetan_B: don't worry about it -- it took /years/ before MARC21 did things like use record numbers in bibs to refer to authority records 17:16 gmcharlt as opposed to relying on complicated normalized string matches 17:16 francharb ahah 17:17 francharb I'm wandering what librarians will do in year 9998... 17:17 francharb Create another field? 17:17 francharb ;) 17:17 gmcharlt heh 17:18 francharb [sarcasm mode OFF] 17:18 francharb ;) 17:18 francharb merry christmas 17:18 francharb :) 17:20 ebegin yes, chrismas 17:21 francharb For the record, I'm not actually against marc21 or think it should die. I just fell, it's sometimes too much information,,, 17:21 francharb s/fell,/feel 17:22 francharb Librarians, our mojo should be : work for your patrons, make it simple! 17:22 rambutan dublin core? 17:23 ebegin yes, dublin core 17:23 * ebegin set bot mode off 17:23 gaetan_B time to stop looking at a computer screen, bye! 17:24 * jcamins is against MARC21 and thinks it should die. 17:24 francharb ahah 17:24 francharb :) 17:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #274: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/274/ 17:25 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on 17:25 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined 17:25 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order 17:25 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11155: remove old PostgreSQL schema and MARC framework scripts 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 17:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , koha-dump not working 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acq data going on first item even if not received 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11414 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Marc modification template limitations should alert the user 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11384 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha should not use "ctid" as a column name 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11391 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , suggestions.suggesteddate has a problematic default value 17:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #275 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 12 days ago) 17:37 saravanakumar Hello everyone 17:38 saravanakumar i have installed koha-3.14.00 17:38 saravanakumar when i tried to access the web page its showing the maintenance page 17:39 saravanakumar and got the error "File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/utilities" in logs 17:39 saravanakumar help me pls to fix this 17:41 jcamins saravanakumar: I'm not sure what the second error is from, but you're seeing the maintenance page because you're hitting the OPAC rather than the staff client. 17:42 talljoy if you don't have data or a database you'll see that maintenance page as well saravanakumar 17:44 jcamins That is, you'll see the maintenance page when hitting the OPAC. You'll never see the maintenance page while connecting to the staff client. 17:44 talljoy correct. 17:44 saravanakumar thanks talljoy & jcamins 17:45 saravanakumar its a fresh installation how do i have a data in db 17:45 saravanakumar i have checked that in db it doesn't have any tables 17:45 saravanakumar pls give me the steps to proceed further 17:46 mtompset @wunder l7e 5y5 17:46 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Vaughan - Hwy 7 & Jane Street, Vaughan, Ontario is -1.9°C (12:34 PM EST on December 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 17:47 jcamins saravanakumar: you need to set up DNS so that you can access name-based virtual hosts for the staff client and OPAC separately, or change your configuration so that you have them on different ports. 17:48 * mtompset was justing going to ask about named-based vs. ip address access. :) 17:48 jcamins There's no Koha-specific configuration, so you can just do it the way you usually would with an Apache site. 17:48 saravanakumar Okay let me try that Jcamins 18:01 cait hi #koha 18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1566: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1566/ 18:03 jenkins_koha Katrin Fischer: Bug 10797: Move styling of simple search from element to CSS file 18:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Move styling from element to CSS file for search input field in OPAC 18:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1567 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago) 18:10 saravanakumar thank you very much @jcamins its working fine.... 18:12 jcamins saravanakumar: excellent! 18:18 cait hmm 18:18 cait @later tell ashimema - bit confused about bug 8773 - looks like chris signed off, why is it not passed qa? :) 18:18 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 18:22 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #275: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/275/ 18:22 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: remove obsolete column deleteditems.marc 18:22 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6331: (follow-up) do not populate deleteditems.marc 18:22 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items 18:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010 18:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 18:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Obsolete marc column in deleteditems 18:23 gmcharlt bug 8773 18:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 18:24 cait gmcharlt: I wondered because i thought it was in the signed off queue before when i asked ashimema to take a look :) 18:26 gmcharlt looks like he wants to test one last thing 18:28 cait aah missed that 19:27 pablito hi 19:28 pablito i wonder if it is safe to do an SQL UPDATE while zebra is reindex? 19:30 ebegin pablito, i don't see any problem, but depending of your SQL command, you may have to reindex it afterward 19:31 pablito I am trying to UPDATE the item type of a couple thousand books 19:31 pablito would this require reindexing afterward? 19:31 ebegin you'll definitively have to reindex 19:32 pablito ok 19:32 jcamins pablito: don't do an SQL UPDATE statement to make bibliographic changes. 19:32 pablito originally, I was trying to use the Batch Modification feature but it gave an error because there were more than 1000 records 19:33 jcamins It will be painful and cause you to tear all your hair out. 19:33 ebegin jcamins, has a point 19:33 pablito how so? 19:33 jcamins And possibly your ears, when you run out of hair to tear out. 19:33 pablito hahaha 19:34 jcamins pablito: I prefer to write a Perl script that will make the changes using Koha's routines. 19:34 pablito do you have a sample I can see? 19:36 ebegin pablito, take a look at misc/migration_tools/fix_onloan.pl 19:37 ebegin it does update the onloan's item information. You want to change the itemtype 19:38 ebegin s/itemtype/itype (always mixing them...) 19:39 pablito ok 19:39 cait jcamins: but items should be safe i thnk? 19:39 cait given that one reindexes 19:40 pablito I don't seem to have hmm 19:40 pablito migration_tools folder 19:41 jcamins cait: in principle, but you wouldn't catch me considering an update in SQL. 19:42 ebegin pablito, you have it somewhere for sure :) look in koha installation directory. 19:42 ebegin pablito, how did you install Koha ? 19:43 pablito i have the latest debian, so i did apt-get koha-common 19:43 jcamins cait: also, if someone did it and ran into trouble, the "help" one could hope to get from me would be limited to "wow, that was a dumb idea. I hope you had a backup." Since that sort of "help" is anything but helpful, I figured I'd give a warning. ;) 19:43 ebegin pablito, try /usr/share/koha/sites/koha/misc/migration_tools 19:45 pablito eh I don't have that 19:45 rangi no sites 19:45 rangi /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/ 19:47 pablito ranghi: yes, that's it! thanks! 19:47 pablito *rangi 19:47 ebegin rangi++ 19:48 pablito so how do I run the fix_onloan.pl script? 19:49 pablito ...to allow me to change 2000 items of "book type" to "reserve type" 19:49 pablito ? 19:49 ebegin /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/fix_onloan.pl ? but i doubt that you want to run this script 19:49 ebegin fix_onloan.pl is an example to base your own script on 19:50 ebegin pablito, do you have your item id or barcode in a file ? 19:50 pablito yes 19:52 ebegin If you are not comfortable to modify a script, the simplest thing would be to split that file in multiple file. btw, I wasn't aware of this 1000 limitation 19:52 pablito it's actually a bug 19:53 pablito but I did as you suggested (splitting file) a couple hours ago and it worked, I just want to see if the SQL UPDATE would be a better solution 19:56 pablito now, it seems the advice is to avoid doing a sql update for biblographic changes 19:57 pablito but would changing an item type be considered a bibliographic change? In this case, I would only be updating the items table 19:58 rangi touching the db 19:58 rangi is always a much worse idea than using the apis 19:59 rangi always 19:59 jcamins pablito: I would consider anything touching biblio, biblioitems, or items a bibliographic change. 19:59 rangi you do have the restful api under svc too 20:00 pablito it's good to know 20:00 rangi as an option for modifying biblio/items .. but a perl script that uses ModItem from C4::Items is also a good way 20:03 pablito can you guys suggest a website for a beginner tutorial on using the api? 20:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1567: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1567/ 20:08 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10905: fix links to author tracings when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is on 20:08 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 10735: prevent koha-dump from aborting if backupdir undefined 20:08 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9948: fix creation/updating of items when partially receiving an order 20:08 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11414: warn user about dangerous MARC modification rules 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11155: remove old PostgreSQL schema and MARC framework scripts 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: rename the collections_tracking.ctId column 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11384: DBRev 3.15.00.008 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: drop default value on suggestions.suggesteddate column 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 20:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 20:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10735 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , koha-dump not working 20:08 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11391: DBRev 3.15.00.009 20:08 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: remove obsolete column deleteditems.marc 20:08 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6331: (follow-up) do not populate deleteditems.marc 20:08 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update timestamp when deleting items 20:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: DBRev 3.15.00.010 20:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 6331: (follow-up) update DBIC schema classes 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9948 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acq data going on first item even if not received 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11414 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Marc modification template limitations should alert the user 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11155 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , PostgreSQL schema contains syntax errors 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11384 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha should not use "ctid" as a column name 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11391 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , suggestions.suggesteddate has a problematic default value 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6331 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Obsolete marc column in deleteditems 20:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1568 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 12 days ago) 20:27 rangi bug 9940 seems to work for me .. anyone have any reasons why it shouldnt be signed off? 20:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9940 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Add a new index for original language of document 20:28 jcamins rangi: Won't somebody think of the children?!? 20:28 rangi heh 20:28 jcamins Hmmm. Not a relevant argument here. Nothing from me. 20:29 rangi the only thing is it misses normarc .. but I dont think that is a blocker 20:40 mtompset children? 20:55 * rangi goes to wash his hands after that 20:56 jcamins UNIMARC? 20:56 rangi bug 11066 20:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11066 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joy, Signed Off , Export Citations not RDA compatible 20:56 jcamins Oh, ouch. 20:56 rangi ive got rda cooties on me 21:58 ebegin Was the decision taken to go for bootstrap 3 in the next release? 21:59 ebegin Just want to know because I'm planning to go with 3.14 for some clients and this will require to adjust their OPAC. I wish I won't have to do this every releases :-) 22:00 rangi prog is still there in 3.14 22:00 rangi you only have to adjust if you want to use the bootstrap theme 22:00 ebegin I know, but I want to go with bootstrap :) 22:01 rangi then it kinda doesnt matter what happens for 3.16 eh 22:01 ebegin bootstrap 3 is not compatible with 2.3.x. 22:01 gmcharlt ebegin: to do that, just keep the customizations minimal, I'd say -- e.g., color and logo, but avoid structural tweaks 22:03 ebegin gmcharlt, here a (work in progress) using bootstrap. Modification were done using the syspref and css. 22:03 ebegin http://icm.chateauguay.inlibro.net/ 22:04 ebegin I didn't change the .tt structure but to add classes in order to make it more CSS-izable 22:05 ebegin (which will be part of an upcoming commit) 22:05 jcamins ebegin: if you made any changes to the .tt files, it's going to be a nightmare to upgrade. 22:05 jcamins Unless you submit it to the community and the changes make it into master, of course. 22:05 ebegin jcamins, I didn't. I went through this nightmare already. Lesson learnt.... the hard way :) 22:05 jcamins :) 22:09 francharb bye 22:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1568: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1568/ 22:18 ebegin good night everyone ! 22:18 rangi cya ebegin 22:19 rangi @wunder nzwn 22:19 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on December 24, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 22:19 cait hi rangi 22:28 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/commits_by_year.png 22:28 rangi spot where liblime lost the plot 22:28 cait i was going to ask about 9/10 22:31 cait ... 22:31 cait ok, i better go :)