Time Nick Message 23:45 * mtompset whispers, "disturb now" multiple times. ;) 22:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1562: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1562/ 22:11 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:08 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 19:08 22:08 eythian @worldtime America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires 22:07 magnuse gotcha 22:07 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about America/Los 22:07 magnuse @worldtime America/Los Angeles 22:07 eythian look in /usr/share/zoneinfo for hints :) 22:06 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 14:06 22:06 eythian @worldtime America/Los_Angeles 22:06 huginn magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 23:06 22:06 magnuse @worldtime Europe/Oslo 22:06 eythian magnuse: that's not how timezones work 22:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #269: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/269/ 22:04 magnuse gah 22:04 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los_Angeles/America 22:04 magnuse @worldtime Los_Angeles/America 22:04 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los 22:04 magnuse @worldtime Los Angeles/America 22:03 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Sacramento/America 22:03 magnuse @worldtime Sacramento/America 22:03 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about posix/UTC 22:03 eythian @worldtime posix/UTC 22:02 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:47 22:02 eythian @worldtime NZ-CHAT 22:02 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:02 22:02 eythian @worldtime NZ 22:02 eythian case sensitive 22:02 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 15:02 22:02 eythian @worldtime US/Mountain 21:55 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about zulu 21:55 rambutan @worldtime zulu 21:54 rambutan man worldtime 21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about us/mountain 21:54 rambutan @worldtime us/mountain 21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about usa/mountain 21:54 rambutan @worldtime usa/mountain 21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about pacific 21:54 rambutan @worldtime pacific standard 21:50 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about California 21:50 rangi @worldtime California 21:50 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about California/USA 21:50 rangi @worldtime California/USA 21:49 rangi ah ha 21:48 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48 21:48 eythian @worldtime Antarctica/McMurdo 21:48 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about NZDT 21:48 eythian @worldtime NZDT 21:48 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about AEST 21:48 eythian @worldtime AEST 21:48 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48 21:48 eythian @worldtime Pacific/Auckland 21:31 rangi whats the time? :) 21:31 rangi gmcharlt: you are in the same timezone as kgs eh? 21:30 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about PST 21:30 rangi @worldtime PST 21:30 huginn rangi: (worldtime <channel> <timezone> <format>) -- Displays time in spesificed timezone. 21:30 rangi @worldtime 21:30 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 21:30 eythian @later tell tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it. 21:29 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 21:29 eythian @later tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it. 21:28 eythian hi 21:20 jcamins Ah. Right. 21:19 rangi it was just hung on one of hte nodes, galens one .. because .. java 21:18 jcamins What's been going on with jenkins that it hasn't been able to build? 21:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #269 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 9 days 0 hr ago) 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11179 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , opac-course-details.pl shows item as available when it is checked out 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11417 major, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , remove_unused_authorities.pl doesn't accept --test 21:11 rangi and thats what happens when a build gets stuck for 6 days 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc 21:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme 21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn 21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions 21:11 jenkins_koha * Gaetan Boisson: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , There should be a way to show the content of a basketgroup without reopening it 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes 21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , searches with quotation marks don't work 21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: regression test for picking random quote 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add db indexes on borrowers names 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9673: QA followup 21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9673 - Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn 21:11 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update - split staff UI and help files 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set 21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent basketgroup.tt 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages 21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name 21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807 : Make it possible to view a basket group without reopening it 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets 21:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11249: DBRev 3.15.00.006 21:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Remove doubled up TT plugins 21:11 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages 21:11 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 3 filters to the serials search 21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626: (follow-up) replace another use of KohaBranchName 21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626 - Remove doubled up TT plugins - Merge KohaBranchName and Branches 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8230 enhancement, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Show the ordered status in catalogue page 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) update the POD for C4::Serials::SearchSubscriptions 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) regression tests 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11124 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not work with sql administrator account 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) fix POD for C4::Serials::NewSubscription 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) tweak wording of serials search form 21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10852: (follow-up) switch from KohaAuthorisedValues to AuthorisedValues 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: (follow-up) rename the "expiration date" filter name 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , sort by relevance asc generates a wrong query 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11261 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Sample frequencies and numbering patterns should better be mandatory on install 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: serials search improvements 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) update POD for C4::Acquisition::GetHistory 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) repair regression on order search 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) fix detection of cancelled orders 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) don't link to basket unless user has appropriate permissions 21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: DBrev 3.15.00.005 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: (follow-up) reflect the fact that order statuses are now alphabetic codes 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: Display acquisition details on the catalogue detail page 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9224 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acqui/finishreceive.pl is not Plack-compatible 21:11 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up adding optional dependency HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench 21:11 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up resolving a warning and three typos 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11124: disallow trying to run the staff benchmark script as the DB account 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11255: allow "relevance ascending" as a sort option 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial frequencies mandatory during installation 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial numbering patterns mandatory during installation 21:11 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9224: Make acqui/finishreceive.pl Plack-compatible 21:11 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #268: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/268/ 21:08 rangi its easy for me to just whack up yaz-proxy on our servers, but to do it in an upstreamable way is a bit more difficult 21:07 rangi we have to fix this in some way, and make it easily upgradable etc 21:07 rangi basically if we want plack 21:06 rangi if you want connection pooling etc, yaz-proxy is the way to do it 21:06 rangi thats actually what indexdata suggest 21:06 rangi yeah, yazproxy or metaproxy would work 21:06 jcamins Right. I was probably just too impatient when I was trying to figure out this bug. 21:05 gmcharlt rangi: random thought, may be worthless -- stick metaproxy in front of Zebra? 21:04 rangi or other people keep connections active :) 21:04 rangi sometimes it takes quite a while, but it needs to be on a system only you are using 21:03 rangi try again 21:03 rangi then wait some longish period of time 21:03 rangi run a bunch of searches 21:03 jcamins How do you trigger the bug consistently? 21:01 rangi ill try some things 21:00 rangi i dunno 21:00 wahanui something is sketchy 21:00 rangi or something 20:59 rangi maybe scan('a') 20:59 jcamins I guess the question would be which is faster. 20:59 rangi but id prefer not to do that if i can find a cheap/quick way to test 20:59 rangi thats what we do under cgi anyway 20:59 rangi in theory we could just open a connection and destroy it each time 20:58 rangi all arent designed for persistent connections 20:58 rangi bascially zebra/z3950/zoom 20:58 rangi before trying to fetch the resultset 20:58 rangi check 20:58 rangi ie do a ->scan 20:57 rangi unless you run right after an action 20:57 rangi it is 20:57 jcamins That's a bit of a useless method then, isn't it. 20:57 rangi Checks whether an error is pending on the connection, and throw a ZOOM::Exception object if so. 20:57 rangi checks if an error is pending 20:57 rangi naw that does the same thing 20:57 jcamins rangi: I guess $conn->check() didn't do it? 20:54 jcamins [off] Yeah, write your wishes on the back of a $10,000 bill and mail to the Car Talk Plaza. 20:54 rangi but aint nobody got time for that today 20:54 rangi which is true 20:54 rangi cos it handles all that for us 20:54 rangi cos they will just tell us we should be using yaz-proxy between koha and zebra 20:54 rangi naw 20:53 cait do they have a wish list we could put it on? :) 20:53 rangi but it doesnt 20:53 rangi yeah, i wish that existed in the ZOOM library 20:53 cait rangi++ 20:52 drojf zebra ping? 20:52 rangi then check the error code 20:52 rangi so im gonna change the code, to do a simple action, that would trigger an error if the connection has timed out 20:51 rangi (under cgi we do a new connection every script run, so this never manifests) 20:51 rangi so we get one failed search 20:51 rangi error code, next time we get a new connection 20:51 rangi then we try to use it, it doesnt work 20:51 rangi because no error code 20:51 rangi we still think its ok 20:50 rangi but in the meantime the connection timed out 20:50 rangi so if the last action was ok 20:50 rangi now, that error code gets set if the last action resulted in an error 20:50 jcamins rangi++ 20:50 rangi what we do is, check if there is an errorcode 20:50 rangi right so ive figured out the error we have with zebra connection tracking 20:49 gmcharlt nengard++ 20:27 nengard If I don't find anything when I get back in 2014 I'll branch the manual then 20:27 nengard so .. i said this last week and was wrong ... but right now i do finally think i'm done with the 3.14 manual (at least as far as adding all the new stuff to it) 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: link to new serials sections 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add number patterns section 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add manage frequencies section 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update serials info 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove 'flag' language from restrictions 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update restricted image in circ 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update restrictions further 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron restriction info 20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo 20:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #430: SUCCESS in 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/430/ 20:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #430 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #268 for job master_maria (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #264 8 days 23 hr ago) 20:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1562 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 8 days 23 hr ago) 20:02 cait bye magnuse :) 20:02 magnuse have fun #koha! 20:01 cait my last work day before christmas holidays :) 20:00 magnuse wow, friday sounds pretty good :-) 19:59 cait my plan to ask dcook about the days always fails because i get up too late... or he leaves work too early, not sure :) 19:58 cait cool :) 19:55 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/413739752761094144 19:54 cait how is friday so far? 19:54 magnuse kia ora rangi! 19:53 cait morning rangi 19:51 rangi morning 19:39 * cait glares a little at drojf 19:39 cait hmpf 19:39 * drojf hides 19:35 cait if you need fun... i know a patch that needs some attention from a gemran speaker... 19:35 drojf cait: oh, that sounds like fun 19:34 drojf no, better don't. ^^ 19:34 cait 217 new bug mails in my qa inbox 19:34 drojf imagine walking through a real life MARC world. a huge labyrinth crowded with weird drawers and files, across hundreds of rooms. and you have to find that one piece of information 19:34 cait ugh 19:33 cait :) 19:33 * cait waves 19:30 magnuse and exchanging iso2709 records over z39.50? perfect obfuscation! ;-) 19:29 magnuse hehe, true! 19:29 jcamins magnuse: on the other hand, if you're going for secrecy by obfuscation, MARC may be the ideal format. 19:29 magnuse s/should/should NOT/ 19:29 magnuse gah 19:29 magnuse i totally agree that secrets should be kept in marc. in fact, i rather lean towards the opinion that MARC must die! ;-) 19:25 drojf we actually had nonpublic information that i did not want in the opac. information from the old system, for reference. i think it got dropped anyway in the end, but if somebody would have liked to download the records and read that, no problem. ;) 19:24 drojf heh 19:24 gmcharlt i.e., if you don't want to interchange it... ;) 19:24 gmcharlt yes, one of the reasons why thinking of MARC as an interchange format is handy 19:23 drojf oh no, all our secrets leaked /o\ :P 19:22 jcamins Most people don't. 19:21 drojf ah. now. yes, i did not think of that 19:21 jcamins You can download the full record, with all "private" MARC fields. 19:21 jcamins No, that's just non-public non-public. 19:20 drojf wouldn't just a tweak to the xslt do it? 19:20 jcamins Heh. Yeah, awesome. :P 19:19 drojf that's how the big players do it! :P 19:19 jcamins But, shh, we use security by obscurity to protct our secrets. 19:18 drojf ah maybe it was item level. oh. then i wonder what i looked at 19:18 jcamins Not even on an item level, really. 19:18 jcamins Not on a record level. 19:18 drojf oh. ok. i thought that was possible in koha 19:18 jcamins i.e. not accessible through the OPAC. 19:17 jcamins Visible to staff only, is how I understood the question. 19:17 drojf or just not at all? 19:17 drojf private to whom? i mean, what would be the purpose? fields only visible on a "per staff member" basis? or for one special user? 19:16 jcamins drojf: but if we filtered MARC records before outputting them to remove fields that were private, there could be truly private notes. 19:15 cait brb 19:15 jcamins drojf: in Koha it can't be. 19:15 cait ? 19:14 drojf i mean, how private can an entry in a marc record be? ^^ 19:14 drojf what's the difference between private non-public and non-public non-public? 19:03 jcamins magnuse: if you just need non-public non-public, you can use a 9xx field. 19:02 magnuse okelydokely 19:01 jcamins magnuse: not private non-public. 19:00 magnuse are there any non-public, record level notes in marc21? 18:59 * tcohen thinks of 3.12.8... 18:57 * magnuse wonders if eythian will have time to package 3.14.1 before he goes on holiday 18:49 jcamins I seem to recall wizzyrea fixing it a while ago. 18:47 jcamins The bug report about enter submitting in the cataloging interface. 18:46 oleonard Latah Library? 18:43 jcamins *wonder 18:43 jcamins Hm. I woner if Latah Library uses IE. 18:31 tcohen we had just made our decision 18:30 tcohen we were starting our migration 18:30 cait oh didn't know 18:30 tcohen he visited us in 2009 (i talked with him about Koha by then) 18:29 rambutan let us know if he accepts 18:29 tcohen i picked the idea i heard in reno of inviting marshall b. to kohacon14 18:28 tcohen heh, i'd like to 18:27 drojf i hope you have travel grants :P 18:27 tcohen i hope you all come 18:27 tcohen university is currently almost closed so i'm trying to make things flow with my librarians colleages so we have all the info this week 18:27 * cait too 18:26 drojf i'll bring mate softdrinks ;) 18:26 tcohen :-D 18:26 * magnuse too 18:25 drojf i so want to go 18:25 tcohen UNC has some agreements on the price with some in the city 18:25 tcohen its fine, we are collecting hotel information 18:23 drojf true. how are you? how is kohacon planning going? :) 18:21 tcohen its been a while drojf 18:19 drojf hi tcohen 18:19 tcohen hi drojf 18:17 drojf hi #koha 17:54 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:54 tcohen @later tell eythian can u tell me what can I improve on 10942 so it moves on? 17:51 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:51 tcohen @later tell rangi will jenkins_koha be online again? 17:23 cait hi rambutan :) 17:23 rambutan hi cait 17:17 cait hi #koha :) 17:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec7fff647d547c9ff5adadcb4c1cb35bc4ea7baf> / Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78b73c3fffc6f5125a688e91582da92287fbbef2> / Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly <http://git.koha- 16:37 jcamins gmcharlt: they're pefect for breakfast. Lots of protein. 16:36 barton HA 16:36 * oleonard hisses "Precious!" 16:36 * barton waves a box of star wars figure blasters in oleonard's face as a distraction. 16:31 gmcharlt jcamins: I am eating my breakfast now... and yet I want those cookies 16:31 oleonard Instagram that pileup! 16:27 jcamins gmcharlt: I guess I shouldn't tell him how delicious the peanut butter pileups look, then? 16:27 oleonard Actually you guys are doing a pretty good job of that today ;) 16:26 gmcharlt quick -- everybody stop distracting oleonard! 16:13 reiveune bye 15:30 SlyzertVoltrond that would be very nice indeed hehe 15:29 oleonard Actually I have a Bootstrap post in progress but I keep getting pulled away by other things 15:28 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for sharing your expertise with others 15:27 SlyzertVoltrond i learned so much from it 15:27 oleonard Yes I should :) 15:27 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: btw, you should update your koha blog sometimes 15:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53495aab241cef4202eac372e85e6f3d09aa873d> 15:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6657860010ef27792251596590c1471ad5d08ad8> / Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee6e4290e2d1ca4fea53363b7ca3275cb0e6f58> / Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected <http://git.koha-c 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on 14:55 tcohen can anyone qa bug 10905 14:51 gmcharlt (and yes, accounted for in one's rates, of course) 14:51 gmcharlt where I do think that participation in community patch review needs to be an expected part of the process 14:49 gmcharlt a distinction I was trying to allude to, but clearly didn't make well enough, is expectations for commercial firms 14:49 oleonard You're telling me! 14:49 gmcharlt oleonard: ACPL is not a multi-developer organization :) 14:44 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for the help 14:44 SlyzertVoltrond ok, i'll try to look into it 14:44 oleonard Yes that's the best option with the Bootstrap theme since there is no fixed logo region 14:42 SlyzertVoltrond i have to use html? 14:42 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: You might look at using the opacheader preference for embedding your logo 14:41 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: That CSS was designed for the prog theme. The Bootstrap theme is completely different 14:41 SlyzertVoltrond oh, that's why 14:41 oleonard It doesn't. The Bootstrap theme doesn't support it 14:40 cait i think someone else said that opacsmallimage was not working with the new bootstrap theme 14:40 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: sorry it took me a while 14:38 SlyzertVoltrond opacsmallimage also doesn't work 14:37 pastebot "SlyzertVoltrond" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opacusercss" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40 14:11 tcohen hi magnuse 14:10 * magnuse waves to tcohen 14:00 jcamins oleonard: yup. 14:00 oleonard ...leading inevitably to an hours-long peanut butter gapers delay 13:59 jcamins Okay, time to make some peanut butter pileups. 13:57 Joubu jcamins: we have several (internal) scripts doing some stuff like that. Maybe I will use them in a first step 13:56 Joubu jcamins: ok thanks. For the moment I park the problem at the bottom of my todo list. 13:55 jcamins That would be my recommendation, yeah. 13:55 gaetan_B hello 13:55 jcamins You're going to be creating a new Zebra index no matter what. 13:55 Joubu jcamins: so the solution would be to extend C4::Linker? 13:55 jcamins I don't think you have an option. 13:50 Joubu I thought to create a new zebra index, but I don't like the idea. 13:50 jcamins Yeah, that's why I didn't manage to include the improvement in any of my authority work. 13:48 Joubu And it seems, C4::Linker should be improved a lot for doing that 13:48 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: Please paste your custom CSS at http://paste.koha-community.org/ or share a link to the OPAC you're working on 13:48 jcamins Any field with a thesaurus (5xx) is (or can be) linked to other authorities. 13:48 wahanui bootstrap is, like, running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha 13:48 SlyzertVoltrond bootstrap 13:47 jcamins I think the syspref idea is going in the wrong direction, though. 13:46 jcamins I'd love to see C4::Linker extended to handle auth-auth links, but at the moment there is nothing that handles them. 13:46 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: What OPAC theme? 13:46 Joubu jcamins: great :) 13:46 * oleonard can't complain about other people's work on Koha lately because he's been tied up in non Koha stuff for weeks 13:46 jcamins Joubu: I've thought over your e-mail, and I have answers. 13:45 Joubu jcamins: yep 13:45 jcamins I wasn't joking about the minute thing! 13:44 oleonard Sheesh. 13:44 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: That message didn't reach us 13:44 SlyzertVoltrond "3.14, trying to change opac koha logo to a custom one" 13:44 SlyzertVoltrond i've already answer to that message, though 13:43 oleonard ashimema: My comment was not meant to imply that I thought you guys were slacking, but that those stats are probably not counting some of your signoffs 13:43 jcamins Your connection is cutting out every minute or so. 13:42 jcamins 08:30 < oleonard> SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do? 13:42 jcamins It's an IRC bouncer, so that you can see if anyone messages you while you're offline. 13:42 wahanui bip is pretty useful too :-) 13:42 SlyzertVoltrond bip? 13:42 jcamins SlyzertVoltrond: I think you need bip... 13:41 jcamins Joubu: around? 13:40 ashimema That might make sense.. either way we need to pull out weight more ;) 13:39 SlyzertVoltrond my internet is kinda bonkers today 13:37 jcamins I think the statistics on the paste are off bz, though I could be mistaken. 13:35 jcamins oleonard: I see one signoff each from Martin and Colin in 3.12, and presumably they signed off on those patches without changing bugzilla. 13:33 ashimema s/oleanard/oleonard/g 13:32 ashimema I'm kicking some butt here to get our guys doing mroe sign-off.. though I'm surprised it's that low.. I'm sure I've talked some of them through it at least a few times each. 13:31 ashimema I was somewhat surprised by that too oleanard.. 13:30 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do? 13:30 cait but ashimema is on qa now .) 13:30 oleonard Are those numbers for PTFS-Europe right? No signoffs? 13:30 cait maybe you have a syntax error 13:29 SlyzertVoltrond changing usercss in system preferences doesn't seem to work anymore 13:29 cait oleonard: take some cookies, go do sign offs... :P 13:27 oleonard Oh wait... Nope, just me. 13:27 oleonard If only some of the other developers here at ACPL would get off their butts and start signing off 13:27 oleonard I guess I need to step up on the signoffs. Or maybe stop submitting patches? http://paste.koha-community.org/27 13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hey there 13:25 wahanui hey, SlyzertVoltrond 13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hi 13:23 oleonard Hi #koha 13:23 cait tcohen: yeah, but i typed nen... and then realized there was no complete :) 13:15 tcohen s/client/IRC client/ 13:14 tcohen cait, doesn't your client have tab-completion? 13:13 cait just need some more practice :) 13:12 cait i keep misreading your nick as nengard :( 13:12 cait hi nlegrand 13:12 cait hi nen 13:12 nlegrand Hey #koha :) 13:11 tcohen hi cait 13:11 cait morning tcohen :) 13:10 tcohen morning #koha 10:42 Joubu cait: you're welcome :) 10:39 cait thx Joubu 09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11424 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Itemtype administration form is broken when noItemTypeImages is activated 09:33 cait bug 11424 09:33 cait hm filed abug 09:31 cait can someone confirm that the itemtype form is broken when noitemtypeimagesis off? 09:31 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 09:31 cait interesting 09:29 cait hi drojf 09:28 ashimema mornin' cait 09:28 cait good morning ashimema 09:28 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 5.4°C (9:21 AM GMT on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). 09:28 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK 08:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 08:23 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:23 cait not really a helpful one :) 08:23 petter I'll be patient 08:23 petter thanks for the advice! 08:23 petter ok 08:23 cait maybe if you wait a bit - it's quite empty here this morning 08:22 cait guess i am the wrong person to ask 08:22 petter How many concurrent request can it handle? 08:22 petter Is it using a thread-pool? 08:22 petter Can someone enlighten me about Koha's DB-connections? 08:20 cait matts: ready for christmas? :) 08:20 matts hi cait ! 08:20 cait hi matts :) 08:20 matts hi #koha ! 08:18 cait hi petter :) 08:16 petter morning koha! 08:09 cait good morning #koha 07:57 alex_a bonjour 07:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 9.4°C (8:43 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 07:43 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (8:40 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 07:43 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 07:41 magnuse @wunder boo 07:41 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:37 reiveune bonjour cait, kathryn, magnuse :) 07:36 cait hi reiveune 07:34 dcook All right. Time to indulge in holiday capitalism. Night all! 07:34 reiveune salut dcook :) 07:33 dcook salut reiveune 07:33 dcook hey cait 07:33 reiveune hello 07:32 cait hi dcook 07:29 dcook Bleargh...I should get moving. More Christmas stuff to buy... 07:25 magnuse yay! ;-) 07:25 dcook something else, luckily enough :) 07:24 magnuse is it koha or something else? 07:23 magnuse if it's broke, fix it ;-) 07:21 dcook Don't know if it's worth the time, but it's broken so...:S 07:21 dcook It needs to be completely re-imagined 07:21 dcook I wonder if I could've fixed it within the existing framework, but I don't think so 07:21 dcook Well, it wasn't working properly, so yes 07:21 dcook Hmm 07:18 magnuse and was it? :-) 07:03 dcook Then I realized...if I have to make something this convoluted...something else is wrong further upstream 07:03 * dcook started writing this really strange convoluted multi-dimensional array 06:59 cait hmm 06:59 magnuse gmcharlt++ can't be said too often 06:59 huginn cait: Highest karma: "oleonard" (806), "jcamins" (662), and "cait" (495). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). You (cait) are ranked 3 out of 2721. 06:59 cait @karma 06:58 huginn magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:58 06:58 magnuse @worldtime Europe/Oslo 06:58 cait gmcharlt++ 06:58 * magnuse waves 06:41 cait morning 06:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0668dd7a8dbf2b34d8a93454bebf93dde44de38f> / Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ef04676835fc3c5b43d8b38736db354559d1be> / Bug 9673: QA followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6807a29afd05128efb3c05024a9d9803a02cb 06:06 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:06 06:06 gmcharlt @worldtime Europe/Paris 06:06 huginn gmcharlt: Error: I don't know about France/Paris 06:06 gmcharlt @worldtime France/Paris 06:05 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 01:05 06:05 gmcharlt @worldtime America/New_York 06:05 rangi w 06:05 rangi good email bt 06:05 rangi oh thats a handy one 06:04 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:04 06:04 gmcharlt @worldtime CET 04:53 dcook The IPA rather than the temperature, that is ;) 04:53 dcook ebegin: That sounds nice 04:49 ebegin -8 is not bad 04:48 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in General Burns, Ottawa, Ontario is -8.8°C (11:48 PM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 04:48 ebegin @wunder ottawa, ontario 04:48 * ebegin which he could fly to Australia to share a IPA with dcook 04:36 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013) 04:36 gmcharlt @quote random 04:30 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha BobB_ ebegin eythian dcook. 04:30 mtompset dcook: Then your test/changes wouldn't be thorough, but I can understand wanting to ignore it for a while. :) 04:30 BobB_ that's it 04:29 ebegin BobB_, thanks ! it make sense in a way. wahanui is always talking :-) 04:26 BobB_ ebegin, eythian, I was lead to believe that wahanui means 'loud mouth' in Maori? 04:22 dcook Beer might make me forget that it exists? 04:21 mtompset And beer will make it more sensible? 04:17 dcook I think I might need one too. This script I'm looking at makes almost no sense. 04:15 eythian you might be on to something there, dcook 04:15 dcook eythian: Time for beer 04:14 mtompset Nevermind... I need to finish the last patch first. :) 04:14 mtompset Care to sign off tiny patches? ;) 04:13 * eythian is totally failing to achieve anything here, might run off. 04:12 ebegin :) 04:12 wahanui ebegin: wish i knew 04:12 ebegin wahanui, what does your name means ? 04:12 eythian I suspect that's the interpretation. 04:12 eythian oh, it also translates as "big mouth" if you treat it as waha nui 04:12 mtompset Oh bother! Superscript doesn't cut and paste. 04:12 mtompset ƆiÆŸiIn 04:11 eythian I don't know which interpretation was intended for wahanui though 04:11 eythian it's a name and a conch shell 04:10 mtompset Forgot the 'ee'. :) 04:10 eythian oh no, wait, it's a name 04:10 mtompset Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ÆŸiIn 04:10 eythian I think it's like 'memory', though I'm not 100% sure 04:09 mtompset Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ÆŸIn 04:09 eythian yep 04:09 ebegin does wahanui means something in maori ? 04:08 ebegin mtompset rules in IPA 04:08 eythian nope 04:08 ebegin eythian, any signification ? 04:08 mtompset Ah. So not ÆÆŸiƆn 04:08 eythian mtompset: eye-thee-in, but it was never intended to be particularly phonetic. 04:07 dcook Living in Australia, I think I say "eh?" more than I did when I was in Canada. Subconscious refusal to give up my heritage ;). 04:06 dcook :p 04:06 ebegin he he 04:06 ebegin he doubles them 04:06 ebegin so is dcook :-) 04:06 dcook hehe 04:06 mtompset How do you pronounce it? 04:05 ebegin mtompset is canadian, so he puts Eh! everywhere :) 04:05 eythian but it is how many others do 04:05 eythian mtompset: that's not how I pronounce it. 04:05 ebegin mtompset, thanks ! I was not aware of that in english 04:04 mtompset Is it "eh?"-"th"-"ee"-"ann"? 04:03 dcook eythian: Naturally. That's our eythian. 04:03 mtompset http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet 04:03 eythian dcook: it's shrouded in mystery 04:03 dcook Already 3 o'clock here 04:03 eythian mtompset: there isn't one. 04:02 * dcook prefers Indian Pale Ale to International Phonetic Alphabet 04:02 ebegin hmmmm... beeeeer 04:02 dcook hehe 04:02 ebegin for me, IPA is Indian Pale Ale ;) 04:02 ebegin mtompset, IPA ? 04:02 * dcook has often wondered about the origin of eythian's name 04:02 mtompset What's the IPA for your name, eythian? ;) 04:01 * dcook chuckles as he reads his scrollback 04:01 eythian I suppose it could. Everyone seems to pronounce it differently (and half the time, spell it differently too.) 04:00 ebegin your nick sounds like if I was saying Etienne 04:00 mtompset http://youtu.be/v8G14REucsQ 04:00 eythian yep :) 04:00 ebegin Nope, Robin ;) 04:00 eythian nope 04:00 ebegin eythian, is your name etienne ? 03:59 wahanui ...but are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc... 03:59 eythian wahanui: are \you a bot is <reply>What? No. 03:59 wahanui wish i knew, eythian 03:59 eythian wahanui: are you a bot? 03:59 ebegin btw ;) 03:59 * ebegin is not crazy, I know wahanui is a bot 03:58 wahanui ebegin: excuse me? 03:58 ebegin wahanui, np ;) 03:58 wahanui ebegin: sorry... 03:58 ebegin wahanui, yes, you left ;) 03:58 wahanui ebegin: huh? 03:58 ebegin wahanui gave up :) 03:57 wahanui ebegin: that doesn't look right 03:57 ebegin change is really good 03:57 eythian he really doesn't. I've been meaning to figure out why, but haven't. 03:57 dcook Ok, so wahanui doesn't like change... 03:56 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right 03:56 dcook Change is good ;) 03:56 mtompset Why doesn't he just go buy an azerty keyboard and carry it with him? 03:55 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 03:55 mtompset @later tell tcohen A majority of the patches for bug 7567 can be applied against 3.14.x -- I haven't finished converting the big patch to smaller pieces yet, but all those smaller pieces there apply nicely. 03:55 ebegin being french, he uses a azerty keyboard for years and now has to change... :) 03:54 ebegin mtompset, francharb is funny when he fights its querty keyboard when he gives the training session :) 03:52 mtompset I can imagine that touch-typists get really messed up in the head if they have to switch keyboards. 03:51 ebegin mtompset, we do have a store like this near my office too :) 03:51 ebegin So, instead of the Q as you have, they have the A, Z replaces our W. and so on. 03:51 mtompset I learned about that recently, when a facebook friend of mine complained that they had thought they found a good cheap source for keyboards, but discovered they were AZERTY. 03:51 Brooke eythian++ for subbing in for druthb 03:50 ebegin french keyboards from France are called « AZERTY » because of the first 6 letters. Other keyboards are called QWERTY, which should be the case for all people around here but BibLibers 03:49 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <tcohen> @karma 03:49 mtompset @seen tcohen 03:49 mtompset Ooooo.... sweet! My patches apply to 3.14.x nicely with no changes. :) 03:49 Brooke ebegin: yep 03:49 dcook Hmm, my browser didn't like that antidote page 03:48 ebegin Our keyboard, in Quebec, have the same layout as the US, with minor differences for the diacritics 03:48 dcook Brooke: That's a good question. There are still a few keys I don't know in the Canadian French keyboards but overall...it seems like muscle memory 03:48 ebegin Brooke, you means a french keyboard from France. 03:47 ebegin dcook, I think so 03:47 mtompset Frustrating would be the word I use, Brooke. :) 03:47 Brooke I don't know how y'all swap back and forth without losing your bloody minds 03:47 ebegin Can not leave without it, even for a native french 03:47 dcook ebegin: Antidote has a mobile app too, no? 03:47 * Brooke remembers how utterly intimidating a French keyboard is. 03:47 ebegin if you need a very good (but not free) spell checker, I recommand Antidote : www.druide.com/antidote.html‎ 03:46 dcook Although studying French made me understand English grammar way better.. 03:46 dcook I think the hardest part is remembering some of the finer intricacies of the grammar 03:46 dcook I was pretty careful though. Good dictionaries. 03:45 dcook Mmm, sometimes 03:45 mtompset could you get the spell checker to correct your English typed words to the correct French? ;) 03:45 dcook ebegin: Yeah, that makes sense. Usually a person can change the combination as well. 03:44 dcook When I started writing essays in French for the 200/300 level courses, it was time to switch to actual keyboards though :p 03:44 mtompset dcook++ # you're the man! :) 03:44 * dcook did the majority of his 100-level French using alt + numberpad 03:44 ebegin mtompset, é = alt + 130 03:43 ebegin dcook, It usually depends on your keybord layout 03:43 mtompset I used to remember the alt codes for accents. :) 03:43 dcook mtompset: You can cheat using Alt + numberpad in most cases. It doesn't work so well with the IRC clients I've used though 03:43 mtompset To be honest, I just cut and paste my text from external sources. :) 03:42 dcook Ouais, certainement le premier choix. 03:41 dcook Possibly the former.. 03:41 dcook I cannot remember if I prefer Canadian French or Canadian Multilingual Standard 03:40 dcook (minus one of those nows..) 03:39 dcook Windows key + Space is now the default combination now 03:39 dcook Yeah, that's what I've done in the past but Windows 8 is a bit different 03:39 ebegin dcook, usually, you can set multiple languages / keyboard and switch them using a key combinason. I use Ctrl + Shift 03:38 dcook D'accord :) 03:38 ebegin dcook, ça semble fonctionner :) 03:36 dcook \o/ 03:36 dcook Ahh, je pense que j'ai trouvé un bon méthode pour changer les langues avec mon clavier dans Windows... 03:32 ebegin yep. I did it once in order to spend few days in Toronto area 03:32 mtompset ~8 hours. 03:32 mtompset So basically a good days drive from here to Montreal then. :) 03:31 ebegin mtompset, about 2 hours 03:31 ebegin yep :-) We (with francharb) giving a training to a new client nearby, on the Quebec side 03:31 mtompset How far is Ottawa from Montreal? 03:30 mtompset Ah, across the river. :) 03:30 ebegin mtompset, Je suis à Ottawa en ce moment 03:29 mtompset Comment ça va à Montréal? :) 03:29 dcook hey ebegin :) 03:29 mtompset Greetings, ebegin. 03:27 ebegin hey #koha ! 03:25 mtompset (since I'm in the midst of tweaking the final stages on my patches) 03:25 mtompset I was going to ask about quick slips and news. 03:23 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> 3.6 was lovely and stable 03:23 mtompset @seen wizzyrea 03:23 mtompset wizzyrea: You here? 03:23 mtompset Oh, and belated greetings eythian dcook rangi. 03:22 Brooke how's it going? 03:22 mtompset Greetings, Brooke. 03:20 dcook \o 03:20 Brooke o/ 03:13 mtompset Should be done in 24 hours. YAY! 03:13 mtompset On an aside, I've almost made the News by Branch patch split into nice parts. YAY! 03:12 * mtompset laughs, "Okay." 03:11 eythian Everybody who I know is right always agrees with me. 03:11 eythian You don't have to agree, but that will make you wrong, of course. 03:10 mtompset Unless you care to define your criteria for knowing, in which case I may have to agree based on definition if your criteria fit. 03:09 mtompset I admire your faith, eythian, but I can't say that I agree with it. 03:09 eythian I just know. 03:07 mtompset probably could get it within a confidence interval range with limited knowledge, but 100% certainty requires 100% knowledge. 03:06 mtompset How can you definitively know something is the best without knowing everything? 03:02 eythian Can too 03:00 mtompset You can't say best, unless you have listened to everything in the universe. 02:51 eythian Yeah, it's objective, not opinion. 02:46 mtompset Well, best... No. Pretty good. Yes. 02:46 dcook Nope. Objective fact, mtompset. :p 02:46 dcook I think he still might be touring too.. 02:46 * mtompset tacks on a "in my opinion" implicitly. ;) 02:45 dcook Richard Cheese is the best. 02:38 eythian Richard Cheese is pretty good. 02:10 rangi hehe 02:10 drojf that's horrible. in a fascinating kind of way. 02:08 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAbAp5tbU0 02:08 rangi and kinda going back the other way 02:08 rangi so thats the lounge -> metal 02:07 rangi :) 02:06 drojf yeah he's cool. if i ever make it to >90 i will cover that song :D 02:06 * dcook debates staying in or going out for lunch... 02:03 drojf i had headphones plugged in and wondered why he's whispering 02:03 dcook That might've contributed.. 02:03 dcook Ah, apparently I had Mogwai on in the background too 02:02 * dcook says in reference to the video 02:02 dcook I have no idea what I'm looking at right now 02:01 rangi 91 years old, and still awesome! 02:01 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305viYB-G1U 02:01 rangi also 02:00 drojf try that with a closed library system… 02:00 drojf sure. just having the option of switching the vendor is fantastic 01:59 drojf [off] and insist that you have done everything right does not help. especially if that means i did something wrong. which i did not. and i can prove it. 01:59 rangi outsourcing is a lot safer with floss 01:56 drojf and you can do a lot of weird things when installing koha without any idea what you are doing 01:56 dcook And maintained 01:56 dcook Totes 01:56 drojf if there is no infrastructure available, it may cost you time and money worth months of hosting just to get the right stuff. and then you need to get it working ^^ 01:55 * dcook was going to use the example of the people who mow his lawn, then he remembered that he's actually being ripped off for that and that it's not a good example at all 01:54 dcook Depending on the price 01:54 dcook Outsourcing makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways though 01:54 dcook [off] So much of what I write is on the demystification of technology for non-it people 01:54 dcook [off] ^^ so much that 01:53 drojf [off] because university non-it people think it people know everything. and it people want to keep it that way. but they don't. they do not know a lot :/ 01:53 eythian I can believe that. Universities tend to get quite political internally. 01:53 rangi IT depts, ruining it for everyone since 1982 01:53 drojf [off] my impression is that university it people can be really annoying, the less they know what they are doing 01:52 drojf but yes. i was thinking of support for people that host in-house but need the certain 'X' on top of that. now that there seems to be demand for the other way round i consider doing that too 01:52 eythian In general, we've found the council IT to be pretty good. These are small councils, so might have just a few people, all of whom are competent. 01:51 drojf avoid_own_it_people++ (unfortunately those that should be avoided are the ones that are used) 01:50 eythian So for the latter, we host, for the former, we just support and they host. 01:50 eythian We've found that (to generalise) there are two main schools of thought for libraries: those (often regional councils) who must in-house everything they can, and those (often government) who outsource everything they can. Probably to avoid their own IT people. 01:49 drojf i tried to tell libraries to host their own koha for quite a while now. i accept that is not for everyone, and i also would not mind to be able to continue working with koha after my contract ends in march. so, well, if they insist, i might host it. ^^ 01:47 * dcook should really join in on this cloud thang 01:46 rangi pretty much 01:46 * dcook thinks rangi has servers all over the world 01:46 dcook join the koha hosting business! 01:44 rangi yep 01:44 drojf the vps are only single core so i was thinking of a root server. i had two libraries ask about hosting and that seems much more powerful than two vps 01:42 drojf cool 01:40 rangi amongst other things 01:40 rangi http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ <-- thats on there 01:40 rangi vps 01:40 drojf root server or vps? 01:39 rangi yeah im using hetzner 01:38 drojf looks like you can basically install everything on hetzner root servers. cool. i guess i'll start with a regular debian and multiple instances anyway in case anything comes out of that "join the koha hosting business" thing 01:35 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:23 rangi new connection is never made 01:23 rangi under plack, timesout from inactivity 01:23 rangi under cgi its fine, script dies, new connection 01:22 rangi (this is my Zconn thing) 01:22 rangi it never tries to reconnect 01:22 rangi tracked it down 01:18 dcook np :) 01:17 drojf thanks for trying! that really confused me 01:16 drojf not sure why it was enabled 01:16 drojf usually oi dont use german in master 01:16 drojf that's fine 01:16 drojf my translation files are just not up to date 01:16 dcook Glad you figured it out. Sucks that it exists :/ 01:16 drojf :) 01:16 drojf its a translation thing. i changed to english to see how the field is named correctly, and it works 01:15 drojf oh 01:15 dcook That's in Chrome on Windows 8 01:15 drojf i have no userjs, i just checked 01:15 drojf ok 01:15 drojf *focus changes when i press any key 01:15 dcook drojf: I just tried it and it seems fine :/ 01:15 dcook I did a spell check of an article I wrote without spellcheck though...no spelling errors. I was happy with that. 01:15 drojf dcook: yep, on cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl if i choose the search field under 'global system preferences', focus changes to the search field on top 01:14 * dcook can't type today apparently 01:14 rangi heh 01:14 dcook s/more/much/ 01:14 dcook Such = so 01:14 rangi yep 01:14 dcook Such more more work 01:14 dcook I think that's reasonable 01:14 rangi cos it takes a lot more work 01:14 rangi we actually do when it comes to design, not double, but it will cost more 01:14 dcook Indeed 01:13 rangi and charge them double 01:13 dcook I should put together a profile of clients we need to support ie7 for 01:13 dcook rangi: Touché 01:13 rangi (we currently have to, for a little while longer for at least one client) 01:13 rangi if support companies have to, that's their problem 01:12 dcook Is this from "/cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl"? 01:12 dcook Ok, so what was that again, drojf? 01:12 rangi i dont think the project needs to support ie7 01:12 * dcook is finally rebased and upgraded 01:12 eythian oh right 01:11 dcook Admittedly, feature detection is better than browser detection, but sometimes you just have to do the latter 01:11 dcook They've also removed the MSIE from wherever that was 01:11 dcook They've changed the appName to Netscape from Microsoft Internet Explorer 01:10 eythian what IE11 thing? 01:10 dcook Let's make it harder for you to develop for our inferior software by making it say that it's better than it is... 01:10 * dcook is still bitter about the whole IE 11 thing 01:10 drojf or even http://saveie6.com/ 01:10 drojf that is why the FOSS scene should keep it alive ^^ 01:09 rangi if you cant upgrade from xp yet 01:09 rangi in fact they tell you to use firefox 01:09 rangi nope 01:09 eythian like, by microsoft 01:09 rangi nope 01:09 drojf i thought that is only for the OPAC 01:09 eythian is IE7 still supported? 01:09 drojf does the staff client work with IE7? 01:09 dcook Or if it's all library staff 01:09 * dcook wonders if there are any actual library users using IE 01:09 drojf what other reason would there be… ;) 01:08 dcook Mostly because we have clients who have to use it :( 01:08 dcook I'm one of the pro supporting IE7 folks :p 01:08 * dcook cringes 01:08 dcook That we do 01:08 drojf on the other hand, we want so support IE7 :P 01:08 dcook Ah, I was just curious because I tend to use Chrome/Chromium almost exclusively 01:07 drojf i should try a later one, good point 01:07 dcook Yeah, I think my Firefox on here is 26 or so 01:07 drojf 17. lol. i think they are at something like 28 01:07 dcook hehe 01:07 drojf iceweasel… some ancient firefox on debian 01:06 dcook drojf: fwiw, what browser are you using? 01:03 dcook Erm. Just give me a minute. 01:02 drojf thanks dcook 01:02 dcook I'll take a look, drojf 00:57 drojf in master, the second i start typing in the global sysprefs search field, the focus jumps to the search field on top of the page. can anyone reproduce that? i did not find a bug for it and i'm not sure if it is a local problem 00:22 dcook jcamins: Good point. 00:21 dcook (Ah, based on Gingerbread anyway, so it might not be much of an improvement, anyway.) 00:21 jcamins That one's not as much of a problem, though, I think... if you haven't come into the library in two years, you probably would understand if they wanted you to confirm your address, etc. 00:21 dcook (Damn it. Now I really want to install CyanogenMod on my phone, but...my new one hasn't arrived yet...) 00:20 dcook Casual use of the library as well, although that one is more difficult to track 00:20 dcook Indeed 00:19 jcamins What with it not taking into account electronic resources? Yeah. 00:19 dcook I didn't realize that cleanborrower was based on borrowing dates. That could be a bit problematic as well.. 00:18 dcook Huh, I knew about cleanborrower.pl, but I didn't know about delete_patrons.pl 00:18 gmcharlt and misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl 00:18 dcook (Snap, I think there is a Cyanogenmod build for my 2.5 year old smart phone...that's awesome) 00:17 gmcharlt tools/cleanborrower.pl 00:16 dcook Automatic purge? Do we have one of those? 00:15 gmcharlt on the other hand, if a patron has made a recent suggestion, that might be reason to consider them active enough to avoid the automatic pruge 00:15 dcook Yeah, I was pondering that as well. 00:15 gmcharlt yeah, there's one obvious question of what a library wants to happen to an active suggestion made by a patron that's to be deleted 00:14 dcook It would probably need to be checked a bit more thoroughly to see if it would cause issues anywhere else with suggestions 00:13 dcook I might make a local stopgap in the meantime but also report a Bugzilla issue for this one 00:13 gaetan_B bye ! 00:13 dcook Hmm 00:12 dcook No worries, jcamins 00:12 jcamins I thought the problem was a stuck e-mail for a patron that was deleted. 00:12 * jcamins is writing a presentation, and just skimmed. 00:12 jcamins Oh, I misunderstood the problem. 00:12 * dcook thinks this also makes the most sense 00:11 dcook That would do it 00:11 dcook ^^ 00:11 * gmcharlt would personally prefer that suggestedby just be made nullable and an on delete set null FK to borrowers.borrowernumber 00:11 dcook Ah, but that's not the problem 00:11 jcamins There we go, then. Very sensible. 00:11 dcook Actually, message_queue already has a cascading delete for the borrowernumber FK. Hmm.. 00:10 jcamins Yes, I'm suggesting that the anonymous patron is a non-issue wrt to the problem you ran into, and the problem you ran into can be solved by deleting messages in the queue when a borrower is deleted. 00:10 dcook Wouldn't those be two separate things? 00:09 dcook O_o 00:08 jcamins dcook: or add an ON DELETE CASCADE to message_queue, since the manual already says that if you haven't set up an anonymous patron, you can't use certain anonymous features. 00:03 dcook I suppose the easiest thing to do is just check if the borrowernumber is valid before trying to send the email 00:02 eythian it would have been around 3.8 that I was looking into it 00:02 eythian I remember looking at this some time ago, so my memory may be hazy. 00:02 * dcook is really looking forward to upgrading at some point... 00:02 dcook Which is a bit problematic...(at least, that was in 3.8.0) 00:02 dcook I think you can make anonymous suggestions, but they don't appear in the management UI 00:02 dcook Or rather... 00:02 dcook Something like that 00:01 eythian as in, the UI for it doesn't show up. 00:01 eythian Though I think it doesn't allow anon suggestions if you don't have an anon patron (IIRC) 00:01 eythian dcook: that's what you have to do, yes 00:00 dcook Or you'd have the same error if folks left the syspref at 0 00:00 dcook I wonder what happens for anonymous suggestions..I suppose you need to have an anonymous patron set up so probably just failed emails