Time  Nick            Message
23:45 * mtompset      whispers, "disturb now" multiple times. ;)
22:21 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1562: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1562/
22:11 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
22:08 huginn          eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 19:08
22:08 eythian         @worldtime America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires
22:07 magnuse         gotcha
22:07 huginn          magnuse: Error: I don't know about America/Los
22:07 magnuse         @worldtime America/Los Angeles
22:07 eythian         look in /usr/share/zoneinfo for hints :)
22:06 huginn          eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 14:06
22:06 eythian         @worldtime America/Los_Angeles
22:06 huginn          magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 23:06
22:06 magnuse         @worldtime Europe/Oslo
22:06 eythian         magnuse: that's not how timezones work
22:05 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #269: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/269/
22:04 magnuse         gah
22:04 huginn          magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los_Angeles/America
22:04 magnuse         @worldtime Los_Angeles/America
22:04 huginn          magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los
22:04 magnuse         @worldtime Los Angeles/America
22:03 huginn          magnuse: Error: I don't know about Sacramento/America
22:03 magnuse         @worldtime Sacramento/America
22:03 huginn          eythian: Error: I don't know about posix/UTC
22:03 eythian         @worldtime posix/UTC
22:02 huginn          eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:47
22:02 eythian         @worldtime NZ-CHAT
22:02 huginn          eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:02
22:02 eythian         @worldtime NZ
22:02 eythian         case sensitive
22:02 huginn          eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 15:02
22:02 eythian         @worldtime US/Mountain
21:55 huginn          rambutan: Error: I don't know about zulu
21:55 rambutan        @worldtime zulu
21:54 rambutan        man worldtime
21:54 huginn          rambutan: Error: I don't know about us/mountain
21:54 rambutan        @worldtime us/mountain
21:54 huginn          rambutan: Error: I don't know about usa/mountain
21:54 rambutan        @worldtime usa/mountain
21:54 huginn          rambutan: Error: I don't know about pacific
21:54 rambutan        @worldtime pacific standard
21:50 huginn          rangi: Error: I don't know about California
21:50 rangi           @worldtime California
21:50 huginn          rangi: Error: I don't know about California/USA
21:50 rangi           @worldtime California/USA
21:49 rangi           ah ha
21:48 huginn          eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48
21:48 eythian         @worldtime Antarctica/McMurdo
21:48 huginn          eythian: Error: I don't know about NZDT
21:48 eythian         @worldtime NZDT
21:48 huginn          eythian: Error: I don't know about AEST
21:48 eythian         @worldtime AEST
21:48 huginn          eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48
21:48 eythian         @worldtime Pacific/Auckland
21:31 rangi           whats the time? :)
21:31 rangi           gmcharlt: you are in the same timezone as kgs eh?
21:30 huginn          rangi: Error: I don't know about PST
21:30 rangi           @worldtime PST
21:30 huginn          rangi: (worldtime <channel> <timezone> <format>) -- Displays time in spesificed timezone.
21:30 rangi           @worldtime
21:30 huginn          eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:30 eythian         @later tell tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it.
21:29 huginn          eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:29 eythian         @later tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it.
21:28 eythian         hi
21:20 jcamins         Ah. Right.
21:19 rangi           it was just hung on one of hte nodes, galens one .. because .. java
21:18 jcamins         What's been going on with jenkins that it hasn't been able to build?
21:17 jenkins_koha    Starting build #269 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 9 days 0 hr ago)
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11179 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , opac-course-details.pl shows item as available when it is checked out
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11417 major, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , remove_unused_authorities.pl doesn't accept --test
21:11 rangi           and thats what happens when a build gets stuck for 6 days
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Owen Leonard: Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Gaetan Boisson: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , There should be a way to show the content of a basketgroup without reopening it
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , searches with quotation marks don't work
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: regression test for picking random quote
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add db indexes on borrowers names
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9673: QA followup
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9673 - Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update - split staff UI and help files
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent basketgroup.tt
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807 : Make it possible to view a basket group without reopening it
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11249: DBRev 3.15.00.006
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Remove doubled up TT plugins
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 3 filters to the serials search
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626: (follow-up) replace another use of KohaBranchName
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626 - Remove doubled up TT plugins - Merge KohaBranchName and Branches
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8230 enhancement, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Show the ordered status in catalogue page
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) update the POD for C4::Serials::SearchSubscriptions
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) regression tests
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11124 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not work with sql administrator account
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) fix POD for C4::Serials::NewSubscription
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) tweak wording of serials search form
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10852: (follow-up) switch from KohaAuthorisedValues to AuthorisedValues
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: (follow-up) rename the "expiration date" filter name
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , sort by relevance asc generates a wrong query
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11261 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Sample frequencies and numbering patterns should better be mandatory on install
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: serials search improvements
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) update POD for C4::Acquisition::GetHistory
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) repair regression on order search
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) fix detection of cancelled orders
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) don't link to basket unless user has appropriate permissions
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: DBrev 3.15.00.005
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: (follow-up) reflect the fact that order statuses are now alphabetic codes
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: Display acquisition details on the catalogue detail page
21:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9224 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acqui/finishreceive.pl is not Plack-compatible
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up adding optional dependency HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up resolving a warning and three typos
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11124: disallow trying to run the staff benchmark script as the DB account
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11255: allow "relevance ascending" as a sort option
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial frequencies mandatory during installation
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial numbering patterns mandatory during installation
21:11 jenkins_koha    * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9224: Make acqui/finishreceive.pl Plack-compatible
21:11 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #268: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/268/
21:08 rangi           its easy for me to just whack up yaz-proxy on our servers, but to do it in an upstreamable way is a bit more difficult
21:07 rangi           we have to fix this in some way, and make it easily upgradable etc
21:07 rangi           basically if we want plack
21:06 rangi           if you want connection pooling etc, yaz-proxy is the way to do it
21:06 rangi           thats actually what indexdata suggest
21:06 rangi           yeah, yazproxy or metaproxy would work
21:06 jcamins         Right. I was probably just too impatient when I was trying to figure out this bug.
21:05 gmcharlt        rangi: random thought, may be worthless -- stick metaproxy in front of Zebra?
21:04 rangi           or other people keep connections active :)
21:04 rangi           sometimes it takes quite a while, but it needs to be on a system only you are using
21:03 rangi           try again
21:03 rangi           then wait some longish period of time
21:03 rangi           run a bunch of searches
21:03 jcamins         How do you trigger the bug consistently?
21:01 rangi           ill try some things
21:00 rangi           i dunno
21:00 wahanui         something is sketchy
21:00 rangi           or something
20:59 rangi           maybe scan('a')
20:59 jcamins         I guess the question would be which is faster.
20:59 rangi           but id prefer not to do that if i can find a cheap/quick way to test
20:59 rangi           thats what we do under cgi anyway
20:59 rangi           in theory we could just open a connection and destroy it each time
20:58 rangi           all arent designed for persistent connections
20:58 rangi           bascially zebra/z3950/zoom
20:58 rangi           before trying to fetch the resultset
20:58 rangi           check
20:58 rangi           ie do a ->scan
20:57 rangi           unless you run right after an action
20:57 rangi           it is
20:57 jcamins         That's a bit of a useless method then, isn't it.
20:57 rangi           Checks whether an error is pending on the connection, and throw a ZOOM::Exception object if so.
20:57 rangi           checks if an error is pending
20:57 rangi           naw that does the same thing
20:57 jcamins         rangi: I guess $conn->check() didn't do it?
20:54 jcamins         [off] Yeah, write your wishes on the back of a $10,000 bill and mail to the Car Talk Plaza.
20:54 rangi           but aint nobody got time for that today
20:54 rangi           which is true
20:54 rangi           cos it handles all that for us
20:54 rangi           cos they will just tell us we should be using yaz-proxy between koha and zebra
20:54 rangi           naw
20:53 cait            do they have a wish list we could put it on? :)
20:53 rangi           but it doesnt
20:53 rangi           yeah, i wish that existed in the ZOOM library
20:53 cait            rangi++
20:52 drojf           zebra ping?
20:52 rangi           then check the error code
20:52 rangi           so im gonna change the code, to do a simple action, that would trigger an error if the connection has timed out
20:51 rangi           (under cgi we do a new connection every script run, so this never manifests)
20:51 rangi           so we get one failed search
20:51 rangi           error code, next time we get a new connection
20:51 rangi           then we try to use it, it doesnt work
20:51 rangi           because no error code
20:51 rangi           we still think its ok
20:50 rangi           but in the meantime the connection timed out
20:50 rangi           so if the last action was ok
20:50 rangi           now, that error code gets set if the last action resulted in an error
20:50 jcamins         rangi++
20:50 rangi           what we do is, check if there is an errorcode
20:50 rangi           right so ive figured out the error we have with zebra connection tracking
20:49 gmcharlt        nengard++
20:27 nengard         If I don't find anything when I get back in 2014 I'll branch the manual then
20:27 nengard         so ..  i said this last week and was wrong ... but right now i do finally think i'm done with the 3.14 manual (at least as far as adding all the new stuff to it)
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: link to new serials sections
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard:  add number patterns section
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: add manage frequencies section
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: update serials info
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: remove 'flag' language from restrictions
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: update restricted image in circ
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: update restrictions further
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: update patron restriction info
20:22 jenkins_koha    * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
20:22 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_Docs build #430: SUCCESS in 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/430/
20:22 jenkins_koha    Starting build #430 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:19 jenkins_koha    Starting build #268 for job master_maria (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #264 8 days 23 hr ago)
20:16 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1562 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 8 days 23 hr ago)
20:02 cait            bye magnuse :)
20:02 magnuse         have fun #koha!
20:01 cait            my last work day before christmas holidays :)
20:00 magnuse         wow, friday sounds pretty good :-)
19:59 cait            my plan to ask dcook about the days always fails because i get up too late... or he leaves work too early, not sure :)
19:58 cait            cool :)
19:55 rangi           https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/413739752761094144
19:54 cait            how is friday so far?
19:54 magnuse         kia ora rangi!
19:53 cait            morning rangi
19:51 rangi           morning
19:39 * cait          glares a little at drojf
19:39 cait            hmpf
19:39 * drojf         hides
19:35 cait            if you need fun... i know a patch that needs some attention from a gemran speaker...
19:35 drojf           cait: oh, that sounds like fun
19:34 drojf           no, better don't. ^^
19:34 cait            217 new bug mails in my qa inbox
19:34 drojf           imagine walking through a real life MARC world. a huge labyrinth crowded with weird drawers and files, across hundreds of rooms. and you have to find that one piece of information
19:34 cait            ugh
19:33 cait            :)
19:33 * cait          waves
19:30 magnuse         and exchanging iso2709 records over z39.50? perfect obfuscation! ;-)
19:29 magnuse         hehe, true!
19:29 jcamins         magnuse: on the other hand, if you're going for secrecy by obfuscation, MARC may be the ideal format.
19:29 magnuse         s/should/should NOT/
19:29 magnuse         gah
19:29 magnuse         i totally agree that secrets should be kept in marc. in fact, i rather lean towards the opinion that MARC must die! ;-)
19:25 drojf           we actually had nonpublic information that i did not want in the opac. information from the old system, for reference. i think it got dropped anyway in the end, but if somebody would have liked to download the records and read that, no problem. ;)
19:24 drojf           heh
19:24 gmcharlt        i.e., if you don't want to interchange it... ;)
19:24 gmcharlt        yes, one of the reasons why thinking of MARC as an interchange format is handy
19:23 drojf           oh no, all our secrets leaked /o\ :P
19:22 jcamins         Most people don't.
19:21 drojf           ah. now. yes, i did not think of that
19:21 jcamins         You can download the full record, with all "private" MARC fields.
19:21 jcamins         No, that's just non-public non-public.
19:20 drojf           wouldn't just a tweak to the xslt do it?
19:20 jcamins         Heh. Yeah, awesome. :P
19:19 drojf           that's how the big players do it! :P
19:19 jcamins         But, shh, we use security by obscurity to protct our secrets.
19:18 drojf           ah maybe it was item level. oh. then i wonder what i looked at
19:18 jcamins         Not even on an item level, really.
19:18 jcamins         Not on a record level.
19:18 drojf           oh. ok. i thought that was possible in koha
19:18 jcamins         i.e. not accessible through the OPAC.
19:17 jcamins         Visible to staff only, is how I understood the question.
19:17 drojf           or just not at all?
19:17 drojf           private to whom? i mean, what would be the purpose? fields only visible on a "per staff member" basis? or for one special user?
19:16 jcamins         drojf: but if we filtered MARC records before outputting them to remove fields that were private, there could be truly private notes.
19:15 cait            brb
19:15 jcamins         drojf: in Koha it can't be.
19:15 cait            ?
19:14 drojf           i mean, how private can an entry in a marc record be? ^^
19:14 drojf           what's the difference between private non-public and non-public non-public?
19:03 jcamins         magnuse: if you just need non-public non-public, you can use a 9xx field.
19:02 magnuse         okelydokely
19:01 jcamins         magnuse: not private non-public.
19:00 magnuse         are there any non-public, record level notes in marc21?
18:59 * tcohen        thinks of 3.12.8...
18:57 * magnuse       wonders if eythian will have time to package 3.14.1 before he goes on holiday
18:49 jcamins         I seem to recall wizzyrea fixing it a while ago.
18:47 jcamins         The bug report about enter submitting in the cataloging interface.
18:46 oleonard        Latah Library?
18:43 jcamins         *wonder
18:43 jcamins         Hm. I woner if Latah Library uses IE.
18:31 tcohen          we had just made our decision
18:30 tcohen          we were starting our migration
18:30 cait            oh didn't know
18:30 tcohen          he visited us in 2009 (i talked with him about Koha by then)
18:29 rambutan        let us know if he accepts
18:29 tcohen          i picked the idea i heard in reno of inviting marshall b. to kohacon14
18:28 tcohen          heh, i'd like to
18:27 drojf           i hope you have travel grants :P
18:27 tcohen          i hope you all come
18:27 tcohen          university is currently almost closed so i'm trying to make things flow with my librarians colleages so we have all the info this week
18:27 * cait          too
18:26 drojf           i'll bring mate softdrinks ;)
18:26 tcohen          :-D
18:26 * magnuse       too
18:25 drojf           i so want to go
18:25 tcohen          UNC has some agreements on the price with some in the city
18:25 tcohen          its fine, we are collecting hotel information
18:23 drojf           true. how are you? how is kohacon planning going? :)
18:21 tcohen          its been a while drojf
18:19 drojf           hi tcohen
18:19 tcohen          hi drojf
18:17 drojf           hi #koha
17:54 huginn          tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:54 tcohen          @later tell eythian can u tell me what can I improve on 10942 so it moves on?
17:51 huginn          tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:51 tcohen          @later tell rangi will jenkins_koha be online again?
17:23 cait            hi rambutan :)
17:23 rambutan        hi cait
17:17 cait            hi #koha :)
17:14 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec7fff647d547c9ff5adadcb4c1cb35bc4ea7baf> / Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78b73c3fffc6f5125a688e91582da92287fbbef2> / Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly <http://git.koha-
16:37 jcamins         gmcharlt: they're pefect for breakfast. Lots of protein.
16:36 barton          HA
16:36 * oleonard      hisses "Precious!"
16:36 * barton        waves a box of star wars figure blasters in oleonard's face as a distraction.
16:31 gmcharlt        jcamins: I am eating my breakfast now... and yet I want those cookies
16:31 oleonard        Instagram that pileup!
16:27 jcamins         gmcharlt: I guess I shouldn't tell him how delicious the peanut butter pileups look, then?
16:27 oleonard        Actually you guys are doing a pretty good job of that today ;)
16:26 gmcharlt        quick -- everybody stop distracting oleonard!
16:13 reiveune        bye
15:30 SlyzertVoltrond that would be very nice indeed hehe
15:29 oleonard        Actually I have a Bootstrap post in progress but I keep getting pulled away by other things
15:28 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for sharing your expertise with others
15:27 SlyzertVoltrond i learned so much from it
15:27 oleonard        Yes I should :)
15:27 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: btw, you should update your koha blog sometimes
15:22 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53495aab241cef4202eac372e85e6f3d09aa873d>
15:10 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6657860010ef27792251596590c1471ad5d08ad8> / Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee6e4290e2d1ca4fea53363b7ca3275cb0e6f58> / Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected <http://git.koha-c
14:55 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
14:55 tcohen          can anyone qa bug 10905
14:51 gmcharlt        (and yes, accounted for in one's rates, of course)
14:51 gmcharlt        where I do think that participation in community patch review needs to be an expected part of the process
14:49 gmcharlt        a distinction I was trying to allude to, but clearly didn't make well enough, is expectations for commercial firms
14:49 oleonard        You're telling me!
14:49 gmcharlt        oleonard: ACPL is not a multi-developer organization :)
14:44 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for the help
14:44 SlyzertVoltrond ok, i'll try to look into it
14:44 oleonard        Yes that's the best option with the Bootstrap theme since there is no fixed logo region
14:42 SlyzertVoltrond i have to use html?
14:42 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: You might look at using the opacheader preference for embedding your logo
14:41 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: That CSS was designed for the prog theme. The Bootstrap theme is completely different
14:41 SlyzertVoltrond oh, that's why
14:41 oleonard        It doesn't. The Bootstrap theme doesn't support it
14:40 cait            i think someone else said that opacsmallimage was not working with the new bootstrap theme
14:40 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: sorry it took me a while
14:38 SlyzertVoltrond opacsmallimage also doesn't work
14:37 pastebot        "SlyzertVoltrond" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opacusercss" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40
14:11 tcohen          hi magnuse
14:10 * magnuse       waves to tcohen
14:00 jcamins         oleonard: yup.
14:00 oleonard        ...leading inevitably to an hours-long peanut butter gapers delay
13:59 jcamins         Okay, time to make some peanut butter pileups.
13:57 Joubu           jcamins: we have several (internal) scripts doing some stuff like that. Maybe I will use them in a first step
13:56 Joubu           jcamins: ok thanks. For the moment I park the problem at the bottom of my todo list.
13:55 jcamins         That would be my recommendation, yeah.
13:55 gaetan_B        hello
13:55 jcamins         You're going to be creating a new Zebra index no matter what.
13:55 Joubu           jcamins: so the solution would be to extend C4::Linker?
13:55 jcamins         I don't think you have an option.
13:50 Joubu           I thought to create a new zebra index, but I don't like the idea.
13:50 jcamins         Yeah, that's why I didn't manage to include the improvement in any of my authority work.
13:48 Joubu           And it seems, C4::Linker should be improved a lot for doing that
13:48 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: Please paste your custom CSS at http://paste.koha-community.org/ or share a link to the OPAC you're working on
13:48 jcamins         Any field with a thesaurus (5xx) is (or can be) linked to other authorities.
13:48 wahanui         bootstrap is, like, running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha
13:48 SlyzertVoltrond bootstrap
13:47 jcamins         I think the syspref idea is going in the wrong direction, though.
13:46 jcamins         I'd love to see C4::Linker extended to handle auth-auth links, but at the moment there is nothing that handles them.
13:46 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: What OPAC theme?
13:46 Joubu           jcamins: great :)
13:46 * oleonard      can't complain about other people's work on Koha lately because he's been tied up in non Koha stuff for weeks
13:46 jcamins         Joubu: I've thought over your e-mail, and I have answers.
13:45 Joubu           jcamins: yep
13:45 jcamins         I wasn't joking about the minute thing!
13:44 oleonard        Sheesh.
13:44 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: That message didn't reach us
13:44 SlyzertVoltrond "3.14, trying to change opac koha logo to a custom one"
13:44 SlyzertVoltrond i've already answer to that message, though
13:43 oleonard        ashimema: My comment was not meant to imply that I thought you guys were slacking, but that those stats are probably not counting some of your signoffs
13:43 jcamins         Your connection is cutting out every minute or so.
13:42 jcamins         08:30 < oleonard> SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do?
13:42 jcamins         It's an IRC bouncer, so that you can see if anyone messages you while you're offline.
13:42 wahanui         bip is pretty useful too :-)
13:42 SlyzertVoltrond bip?
13:42 jcamins         SlyzertVoltrond: I think you need bip...
13:41 jcamins         Joubu: around?
13:40 ashimema        That might make sense.. either way we need to pull out weight more ;)
13:39 SlyzertVoltrond my internet is kinda bonkers today
13:37 jcamins         I think the statistics on the paste are off bz, though I could be mistaken.
13:35 jcamins         oleonard: I see one signoff each from Martin and Colin in 3.12, and presumably they signed off on those patches without changing bugzilla.
13:33 ashimema        s/oleanard/oleonard/g
13:32 ashimema        I'm kicking some butt here to get our guys doing mroe sign-off.. though I'm surprised it's that low.. I'm sure I've talked some of them through it at least a few times each.
13:31 ashimema        I was somewhat surprised by that too oleanard..
13:30 oleonard        SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do?
13:30 cait            but ashimema is on qa now .)
13:30 oleonard        Are those numbers for PTFS-Europe right? No signoffs?
13:30 cait            maybe you have a syntax error
13:29 SlyzertVoltrond changing usercss in system preferences doesn't seem to work anymore
13:29 cait            oleonard: take some cookies, go do sign offs... :P
13:27 oleonard        Oh wait... Nope, just me.
13:27 oleonard        If only some of the other developers here at ACPL would get off their butts and start signing off
13:27 oleonard        I guess I need to step up on the signoffs. Or maybe stop submitting patches? http://paste.koha-community.org/27
13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hey there
13:25 wahanui         hey, SlyzertVoltrond
13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hi
13:23 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:23 cait            tcohen: yeah, but i typed nen... and then realized there was no complete :)
13:15 tcohen          s/client/IRC client/
13:14 tcohen          cait, doesn't your client have tab-completion?
13:13 cait            just need some more practice :)
13:12 cait            i keep misreading your nick as nengard :(
13:12 cait            hi nlegrand
13:12 cait            hi nen
13:12 nlegrand        Hey #koha :)
13:11 tcohen          hi cait
13:11 cait            morning tcohen :)
13:10 tcohen          morning #koha
10:42 Joubu           cait: you're welcome :)
10:39 cait            thx Joubu
09:33 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11424 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Itemtype administration form is broken when noItemTypeImages is activated
09:33 cait            bug 11424
09:33 cait            hm filed abug
09:31 cait            can someone confirm that the itemtype form is broken when noitemtypeimagesis off?
09:31 wahanui         well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:31 cait            interesting
09:29 cait            hi drojf
09:28 ashimema        mornin' cait
09:28 cait            good morning ashimema
09:28 huginn          ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 5.4°C (9:21 AM GMT on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
09:28 ashimema        @wunder Stevenage, UK
08:23 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
08:23 cait            @wunder Konstanz
08:23 cait            not really a helpful one :)
08:23 petter          I'll be patient
08:23 petter          thanks for the advice!
08:23 petter          ok
08:23 cait            maybe if you wait a bit - it's quite empty here this morning
08:22 cait            guess i am the wrong person to ask
08:22 petter          How many concurrent request can it handle?
08:22 petter          Is it using a thread-pool?
08:22 petter          Can someone enlighten me about Koha's DB-connections?
08:20 cait            matts: ready for christmas? :)
08:20 matts           hi cait !
08:20 cait            hi matts :)
08:20 matts           hi #koha !
08:18 cait            hi petter :)
08:16 petter          morning koha!
08:09 cait            good morning #koha
07:57 alex_a          bonjour
07:43 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 9.4°C (8:43 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:43 magnuse         @wunder marseille
07:43 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (8:40 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:43 cait            @wunder Konstanz
07:41 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:41 magnuse         @wunder boo
07:41 magnuse         bonjour reiveune
07:37 reiveune        bonjour cait, kathryn, magnuse :)
07:36 cait            hi reiveune
07:34 dcook           All right. Time to indulge in holiday capitalism. Night all!
07:34 reiveune        salut dcook :)
07:33 dcook           salut reiveune
07:33 dcook           hey cait
07:33 reiveune        hello
07:32 cait            hi dcook
07:29 dcook           Bleargh...I should get moving. More Christmas stuff to buy...
07:25 magnuse         yay! ;-)
07:25 dcook           something else, luckily enough :)
07:24 magnuse         is it koha or something else?
07:23 magnuse         if it's broke, fix it ;-)
07:21 dcook           Don't know if it's worth the time, but it's broken so...:S
07:21 dcook           It needs to be completely re-imagined
07:21 dcook           I wonder if I could've fixed it within the existing framework, but I don't think so
07:21 dcook           Well, it wasn't working properly, so yes
07:21 dcook           Hmm
07:18 magnuse         and was it? :-)
07:03 dcook           Then I realized...if I have to make something this convoluted...something else is wrong further upstream
07:03 * dcook         started writing this really strange convoluted multi-dimensional array
06:59 cait            hmm
06:59 magnuse         gmcharlt++ can't be said too often
06:59 huginn          cait: Highest karma: "oleonard" (806), "jcamins" (662), and "cait" (495).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111).  You (cait) are ranked 3 out of 2721.
06:59 cait            @karma
06:58 huginn          magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:58
06:58 magnuse         @worldtime Europe/Oslo
06:58 cait            gmcharlt++
06:58 * magnuse       waves
06:41 cait            morning
06:36 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0668dd7a8dbf2b34d8a93454bebf93dde44de38f> / Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ef04676835fc3c5b43d8b38736db354559d1be> / Bug 9673: QA followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6807a29afd05128efb3c05024a9d9803a02cb
06:06 huginn          gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:06
06:06 gmcharlt        @worldtime Europe/Paris
06:06 huginn          gmcharlt: Error: I don't know about France/Paris
06:06 gmcharlt        @worldtime France/Paris
06:05 huginn          gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 01:05
06:05 gmcharlt        @worldtime America/New_York
06:05 rangi           w
06:05 rangi           good email bt
06:05 rangi           oh thats a handy one
06:04 huginn          gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:04
06:04 gmcharlt        @worldtime CET
04:53 dcook           The IPA rather than the temperature, that is ;)
04:53 dcook           ebegin: That sounds nice
04:49 ebegin          -8 is not bad
04:48 huginn          ebegin: The current temperature in General Burns, Ottawa, Ontario is -8.8°C (11:48 PM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:48 ebegin          @wunder ottawa, ontario
04:48 * ebegin        which he could fly to Australia to share a IPA with dcook
04:36 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013)
04:36 gmcharlt        @quote random
04:30 mtompset        Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha BobB_ ebegin eythian dcook.
04:30 mtompset        dcook: Then your test/changes wouldn't be thorough, but I can understand wanting to ignore it for a while. :)
04:30 BobB_           that's it
04:29 ebegin          BobB_, thanks ! it make sense in a way. wahanui is always talking :-)
04:26 BobB_           ebegin, eythian, I was lead to believe that wahanui means 'loud mouth' in Maori?
04:22 dcook           Beer might make me forget that it exists?
04:21 mtompset        And beer will make it more sensible?
04:17 dcook           I think I might need one too. This script I'm looking at makes almost no sense.
04:15 eythian         you might be on to something there, dcook
04:15 dcook           eythian: Time for beer
04:14 mtompset        Nevermind... I need to finish the last patch first. :)
04:14 mtompset        Care to sign off tiny patches? ;)
04:13 * eythian       is totally failing to achieve anything here, might run off.
04:12 ebegin          :)
04:12 wahanui         ebegin: wish i knew
04:12 ebegin          wahanui, what does your name means ?
04:12 eythian         I suspect that's the interpretation.
04:12 eythian         oh, it also translates as "big mouth" if you treat it as waha nui
04:12 mtompset        Oh bother! Superscript doesn't cut and paste.
04:12 mtompset        ƆiƟiIn
04:11 eythian         I don't know which interpretation was intended for wahanui though
04:11 eythian         it's a name and a conch shell
04:10 mtompset        Forgot the 'ee'. :)
04:10 eythian         oh no, wait, it's a name
04:10 mtompset        Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟiIn
04:10 eythian         I think it's like 'memory', though I'm not 100% sure
04:09 mtompset        Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟIn
04:09 eythian         yep
04:09 ebegin          does wahanui means something in maori ?
04:08 ebegin          mtompset rules in IPA
04:08 eythian         nope
04:08 ebegin          eythian, any signification ?
04:08 mtompset        Ah. So not ƐƟiƆn
04:08 eythian         mtompset: eye-thee-in, but it was never intended to be particularly phonetic.
04:07 dcook           Living in Australia, I think I say "eh?" more than I did when I was in Canada. Subconscious refusal to give up my heritage ;).
04:06 dcook           :p
04:06 ebegin          he he
04:06 ebegin          he doubles them
04:06 ebegin          so is dcook  :-)
04:06 dcook           hehe
04:06 mtompset        How do you pronounce it?
04:05 ebegin          mtompset is canadian, so he puts Eh! everywhere :)
04:05 eythian         but it is how many others do
04:05 eythian         mtompset: that's not how I pronounce it.
04:05 ebegin          mtompset, thanks ! I was not aware of that in english
04:04 mtompset        Is it "eh?"-"th"-"ee"-"ann"?
04:03 dcook           eythian: Naturally. That's our eythian.
04:03 mtompset        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet
04:03 eythian         dcook: it's shrouded in mystery
04:03 dcook           Already 3 o'clock here
04:03 eythian         mtompset: there isn't one.
04:02 * dcook         prefers Indian Pale Ale to International Phonetic Alphabet
04:02 ebegin          hmmmm... beeeeer
04:02 dcook           hehe
04:02 ebegin          for me, IPA is Indian Pale Ale ;)
04:02 ebegin          mtompset, IPA ?
04:02 * dcook         has often wondered about the origin of eythian's name
04:02 mtompset        What's the IPA for your name, eythian? ;)
04:01 * dcook         chuckles as he reads his scrollback
04:01 eythian         I suppose it could. Everyone seems to pronounce it differently (and half the time, spell it differently too.)
04:00 ebegin          your nick sounds like if I was saying Etienne
04:00 mtompset        http://youtu.be/v8G14REucsQ
04:00 eythian         yep :)
04:00 ebegin          Nope, Robin ;)
04:00 eythian         nope
04:00 ebegin          eythian, is your name etienne ?
03:59 wahanui         ...but are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc...
03:59 eythian         wahanui: are \you a bot is <reply>What? No.
03:59 wahanui         wish i knew, eythian
03:59 eythian         wahanui: are you a bot?
03:59 ebegin          btw ;)
03:59 * ebegin        is not crazy, I know wahanui is a bot
03:58 wahanui         ebegin: excuse me?
03:58 ebegin          wahanui, np ;)
03:58 wahanui         ebegin: sorry...
03:58 ebegin          wahanui, yes, you left ;)
03:58 wahanui         ebegin: huh?
03:58 ebegin          wahanui gave up :)
03:57 wahanui         ebegin: that doesn't look right
03:57 ebegin          change is really good
03:57 eythian         he really doesn't. I've been meaning to figure out why, but haven't.
03:57 dcook           Ok, so wahanui doesn't like change...
03:56 wahanui         dcook: that doesn't look right
03:56 dcook           Change is good ;)
03:56 mtompset        Why doesn't he just go buy an azerty keyboard and carry it with him?
03:55 huginn          mtompset: The operation succeeded.
03:55 mtompset        @later tell tcohen A majority of the patches for bug 7567 can be applied against 3.14.x -- I haven't finished converting the big patch to smaller pieces yet, but all those smaller pieces there apply nicely.
03:55 ebegin          being french, he uses a azerty keyboard for years and now has to change... :)
03:54 ebegin          mtompset, francharb is funny when he fights its querty keyboard when he gives the training session :)
03:52 mtompset        I can imagine that touch-typists get really messed up in the head if they have to switch keyboards.
03:51 ebegin          mtompset, we do have a store like this near my office too :)
03:51 ebegin          So, instead of the Q as you have, they have the A, Z replaces our W. and so on.
03:51 mtompset        I learned about that recently, when a facebook friend of mine complained that they had thought they found a good cheap source for keyboards, but discovered they were AZERTY.
03:51 Brooke          eythian++ for subbing in for druthb
03:50 ebegin          french keyboards from France are called « AZERTY » because of the first 6 letters. Other keyboards are called QWERTY, which should be the case for all people around here but BibLibers
03:49 huginn          mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <tcohen> @karma
03:49 mtompset        @seen tcohen
03:49 mtompset        Ooooo.... sweet! My patches apply to 3.14.x nicely with no changes. :)
03:49 Brooke          ebegin: yep
03:49 dcook           Hmm, my browser didn't like that antidote page
03:48 ebegin          Our keyboard, in Quebec, have the same layout as the US, with minor differences for the diacritics
03:48 dcook           Brooke: That's a good question. There are still a few keys I don't know in the Canadian French keyboards but overall...it seems like muscle memory
03:48 ebegin          Brooke, you means a french keyboard from France.
03:47 ebegin          dcook, I think so
03:47 mtompset        Frustrating would be the word I use, Brooke. :)
03:47 Brooke          I don't know how y'all swap back and forth without losing your bloody minds
03:47 ebegin          Can not leave without it, even for a native french
03:47 dcook           ebegin: Antidote has a mobile app too, no?
03:47 * Brooke        remembers how utterly intimidating a French keyboard is.
03:47 ebegin          if you need a very good (but not free) spell checker, I recommand Antidote : www.druide.com/antidote.html‎
03:46 dcook           Although studying French made me understand English grammar way better..
03:46 dcook           I think the hardest part is remembering some of the finer intricacies of the grammar
03:46 dcook           I was pretty careful though. Good dictionaries.
03:45 dcook           Mmm, sometimes
03:45 mtompset        could you get the spell checker to correct your English typed words to the correct French? ;)
03:45 dcook           ebegin: Yeah, that makes sense. Usually a person can change the combination as well.
03:44 dcook           When I started writing essays in French for the 200/300 level courses, it was time to switch to actual keyboards though :p
03:44 mtompset        dcook++ # you're the man! :)
03:44 * dcook         did the majority of his 100-level French using alt + numberpad
03:44 ebegin          mtompset, é = alt + 130
03:43 ebegin          dcook, It usually depends on your keybord layout
03:43 mtompset        I used to remember the alt codes for accents. :)
03:43 dcook           mtompset: You can cheat using Alt + numberpad in most cases. It doesn't work so well with the IRC clients I've used though
03:43 mtompset        To be honest, I just cut and paste my text from external sources. :)
03:42 dcook           Ouais, certainement le premier choix.
03:41 dcook           Possibly the former..
03:41 dcook           I cannot remember if I prefer Canadian French or Canadian Multilingual Standard
03:40 dcook           (minus one of those nows..)
03:39 dcook           Windows key + Space is now the default combination now
03:39 dcook           Yeah, that's what I've done in the past but Windows 8 is a bit different
03:39 ebegin          dcook, usually, you can set multiple languages / keyboard and switch them using a key combinason. I use Ctrl + Shift
03:38 dcook           D'accord :)
03:38 ebegin          dcook, ça semble fonctionner :)
03:36 dcook           \o/
03:36 dcook           Ahh, je pense que j'ai trouvé un bon méthode pour changer les langues avec mon clavier dans Windows...
03:32 ebegin          yep. I did it once in order to spend few days in Toronto area
03:32 mtompset        ~8 hours.
03:32 mtompset        So basically a good days drive from here to Montreal then. :)
03:31 ebegin          mtompset, about 2 hours
03:31 ebegin          yep :-) We (with francharb) giving a training to a new client nearby, on the Quebec side
03:31 mtompset        How far is Ottawa from Montreal?
03:30 mtompset        Ah, across the river. :)
03:30 ebegin          mtompset, Je suis à Ottawa en ce moment
03:29 mtompset        Comment ça va à Montréal? :)
03:29 dcook           hey ebegin :)
03:29 mtompset        Greetings, ebegin.
03:27 ebegin          hey #koha !
03:25 mtompset        (since I'm in the midst of tweaking the final stages on my patches)
03:25 mtompset        I was going to ask about quick slips and news.
03:23 huginn          mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> 3.6 was lovely and stable
03:23 mtompset        @seen wizzyrea
03:23 mtompset        wizzyrea: You here?
03:23 mtompset        Oh, and belated greetings eythian dcook rangi.
03:22 Brooke          how's it going?
03:22 mtompset        Greetings, Brooke.
03:20 dcook           \o
03:20 Brooke          o/
03:13 mtompset        Should be done in 24 hours. YAY!
03:13 mtompset        On an aside, I've almost made the News by Branch patch split into nice parts. YAY!
03:12 * mtompset      laughs, "Okay."
03:11 eythian         Everybody who I know is right always agrees with me.
03:11 eythian         You don't have to agree, but that will make you wrong, of course.
03:10 mtompset        Unless you care to define your criteria for knowing, in which case I may have to agree based on definition if your criteria fit.
03:09 mtompset        I admire your faith, eythian, but I can't say that I agree with it.
03:09 eythian         I just know.
03:07 mtompset        probably could get it within a confidence interval range with limited knowledge, but 100% certainty requires 100% knowledge.
03:06 mtompset        How can you definitively know something is the best without knowing everything?
03:02 eythian         Can too
03:00 mtompset        You can't say best, unless you have listened to everything in the universe.
02:51 eythian         Yeah, it's objective, not opinion.
02:46 mtompset        Well, best... No. Pretty good. Yes.
02:46 dcook           Nope. Objective fact, mtompset. :p
02:46 dcook           I think he still might be touring too..
02:46 * mtompset      tacks on a "in my opinion" implicitly. ;)
02:45 dcook           Richard Cheese is the best.
02:38 eythian         Richard Cheese is pretty good.
02:10 rangi           hehe
02:10 drojf           that's horrible. in a fascinating kind of way.
02:08 rangi           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAbAp5tbU0
02:08 rangi           and kinda going back the other way
02:08 rangi           so thats the lounge -> metal
02:07 rangi           :)
02:06 drojf           yeah he's cool. if i ever make it to >90 i will cover that song :D
02:06 * dcook         debates staying in or going out for lunch...
02:03 drojf           i had headphones plugged in and wondered why he's whispering
02:03 dcook           That might've contributed..
02:03 dcook           Ah, apparently I had Mogwai on in the background too
02:02 * dcook         says in reference to the video
02:02 dcook           I have no idea what I'm looking at right now
02:01 rangi           91 years old, and still awesome!
02:01 rangi           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305viYB-G1U
02:01 rangi           also
02:00 drojf           try that with a closed library system…
02:00 drojf           sure. just having the option of switching the vendor is fantastic
01:59 drojf           [off] and insist that you have done everything right does not help. especially if that means i did something wrong. which i did not. and i can prove it.
01:59 rangi           outsourcing is a lot safer with floss
01:56 drojf           and you can do a lot of weird things when installing koha without any idea what you are doing
01:56 dcook           And maintained
01:56 dcook           Totes
01:56 drojf           if there is no infrastructure available, it may cost you time and money worth months of hosting just to get the right stuff. and then you need to get it working ^^
01:55 * dcook         was going to use the example of the people who mow his lawn, then he remembered that he's actually being ripped off for that and that it's not a good example at all
01:54 dcook           Depending on the price
01:54 dcook           Outsourcing makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways though
01:54 dcook           [off] So much of what I write is on the demystification of technology for non-it people
01:54 dcook           [off] ^^ so much that
01:53 drojf           [off] because university non-it people think it people know everything. and it people want to keep it that way. but they don't. they do not know a lot :/
01:53 eythian         I can believe that. Universities tend to get quite political internally.
01:53 rangi           IT depts, ruining it for everyone since 1982
01:53 drojf           [off] my impression is that university it people can be really annoying, the less they know what they are doing
01:52 drojf           but yes. i was thinking of support for people that host in-house but need the certain 'X' on top of that. now that there seems to be demand for the other way round i consider doing that too
01:52 eythian         In general, we've found the council IT to be pretty good. These are small councils, so might have just a few people, all of whom are competent.
01:51 drojf           avoid_own_it_people++ (unfortunately those that should be avoided are the ones that are used)
01:50 eythian         So for the latter, we host, for the former, we just support and they host.
01:50 eythian         We've found that (to generalise) there are two main schools of thought for libraries: those (often regional councils) who must in-house everything they can, and those (often government) who outsource everything they can. Probably to avoid their own IT people.
01:49 drojf           i tried to tell libraries to host their own koha for quite a while now. i accept that is not for everyone, and i also would not mind to be able to continue working with koha after my contract ends in march. so, well, if they insist, i might host it. ^^
01:47 * dcook         should really join in on this cloud thang
01:46 rangi           pretty much
01:46 * dcook         thinks rangi has servers all over the world
01:46 dcook           join the koha hosting business!
01:44 rangi           yep
01:44 drojf           the vps are only single core so i was thinking of a root server. i had two libraries ask about hosting and that seems much more powerful than two vps
01:42 drojf           cool
01:40 rangi           amongst other things
01:40 rangi           http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/  <-- thats on there
01:40 rangi           vps
01:40 drojf           root server or vps?
01:39 rangi           yeah im using hetzner
01:38 drojf           looks like you can basically install everything on hetzner root servers. cool. i guess i'll start with a regular debian and multiple instances anyway in case anything comes out of that "join the koha hosting business" thing
01:35 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
01:23 rangi           new connection is never made
01:23 rangi           under plack, timesout from inactivity
01:23 rangi           under cgi its fine, script dies, new connection
01:22 rangi           (this is my Zconn thing)
01:22 rangi           it never tries to reconnect
01:22 rangi           tracked it down
01:18 dcook           np :)
01:17 drojf           thanks for trying! that really confused me
01:16 drojf           not sure why it was enabled
01:16 drojf           usually oi dont use german in master
01:16 drojf           that's fine
01:16 drojf           my translation files are just not up to date
01:16 dcook           Glad you figured it out. Sucks that it exists :/
01:16 drojf           :)
01:16 drojf           its a translation thing. i changed to english to see how the field is named correctly, and it works
01:15 drojf           oh
01:15 dcook           That's in Chrome on Windows 8
01:15 drojf           i have no userjs, i just checked
01:15 drojf           ok
01:15 drojf           *focus changes when i press any key
01:15 dcook           drojf: I just tried it and it seems fine :/
01:15 dcook           I did a spell check of an article I wrote without spellcheck though...no spelling errors. I was happy with that.
01:15 drojf           dcook: yep, on cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl if i choose the search field under 'global system preferences', focus changes to the search field on top
01:14 * dcook         can't type today apparently
01:14 rangi           heh
01:14 dcook           s/more/much/
01:14 dcook           Such = so
01:14 rangi           yep
01:14 dcook           Such more more work
01:14 dcook           I think that's reasonable
01:14 rangi           cos it takes a lot more work
01:14 rangi           we actually do when it comes to design, not double, but it will cost more
01:14 dcook           Indeed
01:13 rangi           and charge them double
01:13 dcook           I should put together a profile of clients we need to support ie7 for
01:13 dcook           rangi: Touché
01:13 rangi           (we currently have to, for a little while longer for at least one client)
01:13 rangi           if support companies have to, that's their problem
01:12 dcook           Is this from "/cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl"?
01:12 dcook           Ok, so what was that again, drojf?
01:12 rangi           i dont think the project needs to support ie7
01:12 * dcook         is finally rebased and upgraded
01:12 eythian         oh right
01:11 dcook           Admittedly, feature detection is better than browser detection, but sometimes you just have to do the latter
01:11 dcook           They've also removed the MSIE from wherever that was
01:11 dcook           They've changed the appName to Netscape from Microsoft Internet Explorer
01:10 eythian         what IE11 thing?
01:10 dcook           Let's make it harder for you to develop for our inferior software by making it say that it's better than it is...
01:10 * dcook         is still bitter about the whole IE 11 thing
01:10 drojf           or even http://saveie6.com/
01:10 drojf           that is why the FOSS scene should keep it alive ^^
01:09 rangi           if you cant upgrade from xp yet
01:09 rangi           in fact they tell you to use firefox
01:09 rangi           nope
01:09 eythian         like, by microsoft
01:09 rangi           nope
01:09 drojf           i thought that is only for the OPAC
01:09 eythian         is IE7 still supported?
01:09 drojf           does the staff client work with IE7?
01:09 dcook           Or if it's all library staff
01:09 * dcook         wonders if there are any actual library users using IE
01:09 drojf           what other reason would there be… ;)
01:08 dcook           Mostly because we have clients who have to use it :(
01:08 dcook           I'm one of the pro supporting IE7 folks :p
01:08 * dcook         cringes
01:08 dcook           That we do
01:08 drojf           on the other hand, we want so support IE7 :P
01:08 dcook           Ah, I was just curious because I tend to use Chrome/Chromium almost exclusively
01:07 drojf           i should try a later one, good point
01:07 dcook           Yeah, I think my Firefox on here is 26 or so
01:07 drojf           17. lol. i think they are at something like 28
01:07 dcook           hehe
01:07 drojf           iceweasel… some ancient firefox on debian
01:06 dcook           drojf: fwiw, what browser are you using?
01:03 dcook           Erm. Just give me a minute.
01:02 drojf           thanks dcook
01:02 dcook           I'll take a look, drojf
00:57 drojf           in master, the second i start typing in the global sysprefs search field, the focus jumps to the search field on top of the page. can anyone reproduce that? i did not find a bug for it and i'm not sure if it is a local problem
00:22 dcook           jcamins: Good point.
00:21 dcook           (Ah, based on Gingerbread anyway, so it might not be much of an improvement, anyway.)
00:21 jcamins         That one's not as much of a problem, though, I think... if you haven't come into the library in two years, you probably would understand if they wanted you to confirm your address, etc.
00:21 dcook           (Damn it. Now I really want to install CyanogenMod on my phone, but...my new one hasn't arrived yet...)
00:20 dcook           Casual use of the library as well, although that one is more difficult to track
00:20 dcook           Indeed
00:19 jcamins         What with it not taking into account electronic resources? Yeah.
00:19 dcook           I didn't realize that cleanborrower was based on borrowing dates. That could be a bit problematic as well..
00:18 dcook           Huh, I knew about cleanborrower.pl, but I didn't know about delete_patrons.pl
00:18 gmcharlt        and misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl
00:18 dcook           (Snap, I think there is a Cyanogenmod build for my 2.5 year old smart phone...that's awesome)
00:17 gmcharlt        tools/cleanborrower.pl
00:16 dcook           Automatic purge? Do we have one of those?
00:15 gmcharlt        on the other hand, if a patron has made a recent suggestion, that might be reason to consider them active enough to avoid the automatic pruge
00:15 dcook           Yeah, I was pondering that as well.
00:15 gmcharlt        yeah, there's one obvious question of what a library wants to happen to an active suggestion made by a patron that's to be deleted
00:14 dcook           It would probably need to be checked a bit more thoroughly to see if it would cause issues anywhere else with suggestions
00:13 dcook           I might make a local stopgap in the meantime but also report a Bugzilla issue for this one
00:13 gaetan_B        bye !
00:13 dcook           Hmm
00:12 dcook           No worries, jcamins
00:12 jcamins         I thought the problem was a stuck e-mail for a patron that was deleted.
00:12 * jcamins       is writing a presentation, and just skimmed.
00:12 jcamins         Oh, I misunderstood the problem.
00:12 * dcook         thinks this also makes the most sense
00:11 dcook           That would do it
00:11 dcook           ^^
00:11 * gmcharlt      would personally prefer that suggestedby just be made nullable and an on delete set null FK to borrowers.borrowernumber
00:11 dcook           Ah, but that's not the problem
00:11 jcamins         There we go, then. Very sensible.
00:11 dcook           Actually, message_queue already has a cascading delete for the borrowernumber FK. Hmm..
00:10 jcamins         Yes, I'm suggesting that the anonymous patron is a non-issue wrt to the problem you ran into, and the problem you ran into can be solved by deleting messages in the queue when a borrower is deleted.
00:10 dcook           Wouldn't those be two separate things?
00:09 dcook           O_o
00:08 jcamins         dcook: or add an ON DELETE CASCADE to message_queue, since the manual already says that if you haven't set up an anonymous patron, you can't use certain anonymous features.
00:03 dcook           I suppose the easiest thing to do is just check if the borrowernumber is valid before trying to send the email
00:02 eythian         it would have been around 3.8 that I was looking into it
00:02 eythian         I remember looking at this some time ago, so my memory may be hazy.
00:02 * dcook         is really looking forward to upgrading at some point...
00:02 dcook           Which is a bit problematic...(at least, that was in 3.8.0)
00:02 dcook           I think you can make anonymous suggestions, but they don't appear in the management UI
00:02 dcook           Or rather...
00:02 dcook           Something like that
00:01 eythian         as in, the UI for it doesn't show up.
00:01 eythian         Though I think it doesn't allow anon suggestions if you don't have an anon patron (IIRC)
00:01 eythian         dcook: that's what you have to do, yes
00:00 dcook           Or you'd have the same error if folks left the syspref at 0
00:00 dcook           I wonder what happens for anonymous suggestions..I suppose you need to have an anonymous patron set up so probably just failed emails