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23:45 * mtompset whispers, "disturb now" multiple times. ;)
22:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1562: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1562/
22:11 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:08 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 19:08
22:08 eythian @worldtime America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires
22:07 magnuse gotcha
22:07 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about America/Los
22:07 magnuse @worldtime America/Los Angeles
22:07 eythian look in /usr/share/zoneinfo for hints :)
22:06 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 14:06
22:06 eythian @worldtime America/Los_Angeles
22:06 huginn magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 23:06
22:06 magnuse @worldtime Europe/Oslo
22:06 eythian magnuse: that's not how timezones work
22:05 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #269: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/269/
22:04 magnuse gah
22:04 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los_Angeles/America
22:04 magnuse @worldtime Los_Angeles/America
22:04 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los
22:04 magnuse @worldtime Los Angeles/America
22:03 huginn magnuse: Error: I don't know about Sacramento/America
22:03 magnuse @worldtime Sacramento/America
22:03 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about posix/UTC
22:03 eythian @worldtime posix/UTC
22:02 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:47
22:02 eythian @worldtime NZ-CHAT
22:02 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:02
22:02 eythian @worldtime NZ
22:02 eythian case sensitive
22:02 huginn eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 15:02
22:02 eythian @worldtime US/Mountain
21:55 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about zulu
21:55 rambutan @worldtime zulu
21:54 rambutan man worldtime
21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about us/mountain
21:54 rambutan @worldtime us/mountain
21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about usa/mountain
21:54 rambutan @worldtime usa/mountain
21:54 huginn rambutan: Error: I don't know about pacific
21:54 rambutan @worldtime pacific standard
21:50 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about California
21:50 rangi @worldtime California
21:50 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about California/USA
21:50 rangi @worldtime California/USA
21:49 rangi ah ha
21:48 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48
21:48 eythian @worldtime Antarctica/McMurdo
21:48 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about NZDT
21:48 eythian @worldtime NZDT
21:48 huginn eythian: Error: I don't know about AEST
21:48 eythian @worldtime AEST
21:48 huginn eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48
21:48 eythian @worldtime Pacific/Auckland
21:31 rangi whats the time? :)
21:31 rangi gmcharlt: you are in the same timezone as kgs eh?
21:30 huginn rangi: Error: I don't know about PST
21:30 rangi @worldtime PST
21:30 huginn rangi: (worldtime <channel> <timezone> <format>) -- Displays time in spesificed timezone.
21:30 rangi @worldtime
21:30 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:30 eythian @later tell tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it.
21:29 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:29 eythian @later tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it.
21:28 eythian hi
21:20 jcamins Ah. Right.
21:19 rangi it was just hung on one of hte nodes, galens one .. because .. java
21:18 jcamins What's been going on with jenkins that it hasn't been able to build?
21:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #269 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 9 days 0 hr ago)
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11179 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , opac-course-details.pl shows item as available when it is checked out
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11417 major, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , remove_unused_authorities.pl doesn't accept --test
21:11 rangi and thats what happens when a build gets stuck for 6 days
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc
21:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme
21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn
21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions
21:11 jenkins_koha * Gaetan Boisson: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , There should be a way to show the content of a basketgroup without reopening it
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes
21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , searches with quotation marks don't work
21:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: regression test for picking random quote
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add db indexes on borrowers names
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9673: QA followup
21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9673 - Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn
21:11 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update - split staff UI and help files
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set
21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent basketgroup.tt
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages
21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name
21:11 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807 : Make it possible to view a basket group without reopening it
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets
21:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11249: DBRev 3.15.00.006
21:11 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10626 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Remove doubled up TT plugins
21:11 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages
21:11 jenkins_koha * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 3 filters to the serials search
21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626: (follow-up) replace another use of KohaBranchName
21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626 - Remove doubled up TT plugins - Merge KohaBranchName and Branches
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8230 enhancement, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Show the ordered status in catalogue page
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) update the POD for C4::Serials::SearchSubscriptions
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) regression tests
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11124 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not work with sql administrator account
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) fix POD for C4::Serials::NewSubscription
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) tweak wording of serials search form
21:11 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10852: (follow-up) switch from KohaAuthorisedValues to AuthorisedValues
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: (follow-up) rename the "expiration date" filter name
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , sort by relevance asc generates a wrong query
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11261 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Sample frequencies and numbering patterns should better be mandatory on install
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: serials search improvements
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) update POD for C4::Acquisition::GetHistory
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) repair regression on order search
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) fix detection of cancelled orders
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) don't link to basket unless user has appropriate permissions
21:11 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: DBrev 3.15.00.005
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: (follow-up) reflect the fact that order statuses are now alphabetic codes
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: Display acquisition details on the catalogue detail page
21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9224 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acqui/finishreceive.pl is not Plack-compatible
21:11 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up adding optional dependency HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
21:11 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up resolving a warning and three typos
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11124: disallow trying to run the staff benchmark script as the DB account
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11255: allow "relevance ascending" as a sort option
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial frequencies mandatory during installation
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial numbering patterns mandatory during installation
21:11 jenkins_koha * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9224: Make acqui/finishreceive.pl Plack-compatible
21:11 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #268: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/268/
21:08 rangi its easy for me to just whack up yaz-proxy on our servers, but to do it in an upstreamable way is a bit more difficult
21:07 rangi we have to fix this in some way, and make it easily upgradable etc
21:07 rangi basically if we want plack
21:06 rangi if you want connection pooling etc, yaz-proxy is the way to do it
21:06 rangi thats actually what indexdata suggest
21:06 rangi yeah, yazproxy or metaproxy would work
21:06 jcamins Right. I was probably just too impatient when I was trying to figure out this bug.
21:05 gmcharlt rangi: random thought, may be worthless -- stick metaproxy in front of Zebra?
21:04 rangi or other people keep connections active :)
21:04 rangi sometimes it takes quite a while, but it needs to be on a system only you are using
21:03 rangi try again
21:03 rangi then wait some longish period of time
21:03 rangi run a bunch of searches
21:03 jcamins How do you trigger the bug consistently?
21:01 rangi ill try some things
21:00 rangi i dunno
21:00 wahanui something is sketchy
21:00 rangi or something
20:59 rangi maybe scan('a')
20:59 jcamins I guess the question would be which is faster.
20:59 rangi but id prefer not to do that if i can find a cheap/quick way to test
20:59 rangi thats what we do under cgi anyway
20:59 rangi in theory we could just open a connection and destroy it each time
20:58 rangi all arent designed for persistent connections
20:58 rangi bascially zebra/z3950/zoom
20:58 rangi before trying to fetch the resultset
20:58 rangi check
20:58 rangi ie do a ->scan
20:57 rangi unless you run right after an action
20:57 rangi it is
20:57 jcamins That's a bit of a useless method then, isn't it.
20:57 rangi Checks whether an error is pending on the connection, and throw a ZOOM::Exception object if so.
20:57 rangi checks if an error is pending
20:57 rangi naw that does the same thing
20:57 jcamins rangi: I guess $conn->check() didn't do it?
20:54 jcamins [off] Yeah, write your wishes on the back of a $10,000 bill and mail to the Car Talk Plaza.
20:54 rangi but aint nobody got time for that today
20:54 rangi which is true
20:54 rangi cos it handles all that for us
20:54 rangi cos they will just tell us we should be using yaz-proxy between koha and zebra
20:54 rangi naw
20:53 cait do they have a wish list we could put it on? :)
20:53 rangi but it doesnt
20:53 rangi yeah, i wish that existed in the ZOOM library
20:53 cait rangi++
20:52 drojf zebra ping?
20:52 rangi then check the error code
20:52 rangi so im gonna change the code, to do a simple action, that would trigger an error if the connection has timed out
20:51 rangi (under cgi we do a new connection every script run, so this never manifests)
20:51 rangi so we get one failed search
20:51 rangi error code, next time we get a new connection
20:51 rangi then we try to use it, it doesnt work
20:51 rangi because no error code
20:51 rangi we still think its ok
20:50 rangi but in the meantime the connection timed out
20:50 rangi so if the last action was ok
20:50 rangi now, that error code gets set if the last action resulted in an error
20:50 jcamins rangi++
20:50 rangi what we do is, check if there is an errorcode
20:50 rangi right so ive figured out the error we have with zebra connection tracking
20:49 gmcharlt nengard++
20:27 nengard If I don't find anything when I get back in 2014 I'll branch the manual then
20:27 nengard so .. i said this last week and was wrong ... but right now i do finally think i'm done with the 3.14 manual (at least as far as adding all the new stuff to it)
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: link to new serials sections
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add number patterns section
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: add manage frequencies section
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update serials info
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: remove 'flag' language from restrictions
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update restricted image in circ
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update restrictions further
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron restriction info
20:22 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
20:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #430: SUCCESS in 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/430/
20:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #430 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #268 for job master_maria (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #264 8 days 23 hr ago)
20:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #1562 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 8 days 23 hr ago)
20:02 cait bye magnuse :)
20:02 magnuse have fun #koha!
20:01 cait my last work day before christmas holidays :)
20:00 magnuse wow, friday sounds pretty good :-)
19:59 cait my plan to ask dcook about the days always fails because i get up too late... or he leaves work too early, not sure :)
19:58 cait cool :)
19:55 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/413739752761094144
19:54 cait how is friday so far?
19:54 magnuse kia ora rangi!
19:53 cait morning rangi
19:51 rangi morning
19:39 * cait glares a little at drojf
19:39 cait hmpf
19:39 * drojf hides
19:35 cait if you need fun... i know a patch that needs some attention from a gemran speaker...
19:35 drojf cait: oh, that sounds like fun
19:34 drojf no, better don't. ^^
19:34 cait 217 new bug mails in my qa inbox
19:34 drojf imagine walking through a real life MARC world. a huge labyrinth crowded with weird drawers and files, across hundreds of rooms. and you have to find that one piece of information
19:34 cait ugh
19:33 cait :)
19:33 * cait waves
19:30 magnuse and exchanging iso2709 records over z39.50? perfect obfuscation! ;-)
19:29 magnuse hehe, true!
19:29 jcamins magnuse: on the other hand, if you're going for secrecy by obfuscation, MARC may be the ideal format.
19:29 magnuse s/should/should NOT/
19:29 magnuse gah
19:29 magnuse i totally agree that secrets should be kept in marc. in fact, i rather lean towards the opinion that MARC must die! ;-)
19:25 drojf we actually had nonpublic information that i did not want in the opac. information from the old system, for reference. i think it got dropped anyway in the end, but if somebody would have liked to download the records and read that, no problem. ;)
19:24 drojf heh
19:24 gmcharlt i.e., if you don't want to interchange it... ;)
19:24 gmcharlt yes, one of the reasons why thinking of MARC as an interchange format is handy
19:23 drojf oh no, all our secrets leaked /o\ :P
19:22 jcamins Most people don't.
19:21 drojf ah. now. yes, i did not think of that
19:21 jcamins You can download the full record, with all "private" MARC fields.
19:21 jcamins No, that's just non-public non-public.
19:20 drojf wouldn't just a tweak to the xslt do it?
19:20 jcamins Heh. Yeah, awesome. :P
19:19 drojf that's how the big players do it! :P
19:19 jcamins But, shh, we use security by obscurity to protct our secrets.
19:18 drojf ah maybe it was item level. oh. then i wonder what i looked at
19:18 jcamins Not even on an item level, really.
19:18 jcamins Not on a record level.
19:18 drojf oh. ok. i thought that was possible in koha
19:18 jcamins i.e. not accessible through the OPAC.
19:17 jcamins Visible to staff only, is how I understood the question.
19:17 drojf or just not at all?
19:17 drojf private to whom? i mean, what would be the purpose? fields only visible on a "per staff member" basis? or for one special user?
19:16 jcamins drojf: but if we filtered MARC records before outputting them to remove fields that were private, there could be truly private notes.
19:15 cait brb
19:15 jcamins drojf: in Koha it can't be.
19:15 cait ?
19:14 drojf i mean, how private can an entry in a marc record be? ^^
19:14 drojf what's the difference between private non-public and non-public non-public?
19:03 jcamins magnuse: if you just need non-public non-public, you can use a 9xx field.
19:02 magnuse okelydokely
19:01 jcamins magnuse: not private non-public.
19:00 magnuse are there any non-public, record level notes in marc21?
18:59 * tcohen thinks of 3.12.8...
18:57 * magnuse wonders if eythian will have time to package 3.14.1 before he goes on holiday
18:49 jcamins I seem to recall wizzyrea fixing it a while ago.
18:47 jcamins The bug report about enter submitting in the cataloging interface.
18:46 oleonard Latah Library?
18:43 jcamins *wonder
18:43 jcamins Hm. I woner if Latah Library uses IE.
18:31 tcohen we had just made our decision
18:30 tcohen we were starting our migration
18:30 cait oh didn't know
18:30 tcohen he visited us in 2009 (i talked with him about Koha by then)
18:29 rambutan let us know if he accepts
18:29 tcohen i picked the idea i heard in reno of inviting marshall b. to kohacon14
18:28 tcohen heh, i'd like to
18:27 drojf i hope you have travel grants :P
18:27 tcohen i hope you all come
18:27 tcohen university is currently almost closed so i'm trying to make things flow with my librarians colleages so we have all the info this week
18:27 * cait too
18:26 drojf i'll bring mate softdrinks ;)
18:26 tcohen :-D
18:26 * magnuse too
18:25 drojf i so want to go
18:25 tcohen UNC has some agreements on the price with some in the city
18:25 tcohen its fine, we are collecting hotel information
18:23 drojf true. how are you? how is kohacon planning going? :)
18:21 tcohen its been a while drojf
18:19 drojf hi tcohen
18:19 tcohen hi drojf
18:17 drojf hi #koha
17:54 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:54 tcohen @later tell eythian can u tell me what can I improve on 10942 so it moves on?
17:51 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:51 tcohen @later tell rangi will jenkins_koha be online again?
17:23 cait hi rambutan :)
17:23 rambutan hi cait
17:17 cait hi #koha :)
17:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec7fff647d547c9ff5adadcb4c1cb35bc4ea7baf> / Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78b73c3fffc6f5125a688e91582da92287fbbef2> / Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly <http://git.koha-
16:37 jcamins gmcharlt: they're pefect for breakfast. Lots of protein.
16:36 barton HA
16:36 * oleonard hisses "Precious!"
16:36 * barton waves a box of star wars figure blasters in oleonard's face as a distraction.
16:31 gmcharlt jcamins: I am eating my breakfast now... and yet I want those cookies
16:31 oleonard Instagram that pileup!
16:27 jcamins gmcharlt: I guess I shouldn't tell him how delicious the peanut butter pileups look, then?
16:27 oleonard Actually you guys are doing a pretty good job of that today ;)
16:26 gmcharlt quick -- everybody stop distracting oleonard!
16:13 reiveune bye
15:30 SlyzertVoltrond that would be very nice indeed hehe
15:29 oleonard Actually I have a Bootstrap post in progress but I keep getting pulled away by other things
15:28 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for sharing your expertise with others
15:27 SlyzertVoltrond i learned so much from it
15:27 oleonard Yes I should :)
15:27 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: btw, you should update your koha blog sometimes
15:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53495aab241cef4202eac372e85e6f3d09aa873d>
15:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6657860010ef27792251596590c1471ad5d08ad8> / Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ee6e4290e2d1ca4fea53363b7ca3275cb0e6f58> / Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected <http://git.koha-c
14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on
14:55 tcohen can anyone qa bug 10905
14:51 gmcharlt (and yes, accounted for in one's rates, of course)
14:51 gmcharlt where I do think that participation in community patch review needs to be an expected part of the process
14:49 gmcharlt a distinction I was trying to allude to, but clearly didn't make well enough, is expectations for commercial firms
14:49 oleonard You're telling me!
14:49 gmcharlt oleonard: ACPL is not a multi-developer organization :)
14:44 SlyzertVoltrond thanks for the help
14:44 SlyzertVoltrond ok, i'll try to look into it
14:44 oleonard Yes that's the best option with the Bootstrap theme since there is no fixed logo region
14:42 SlyzertVoltrond i have to use html?
14:42 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: You might look at using the opacheader preference for embedding your logo
14:41 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: That CSS was designed for the prog theme. The Bootstrap theme is completely different
14:41 SlyzertVoltrond oh, that's why
14:41 oleonard It doesn't. The Bootstrap theme doesn't support it
14:40 cait i think someone else said that opacsmallimage was not working with the new bootstrap theme
14:40 SlyzertVoltrond oleonard: sorry it took me a while
14:38 SlyzertVoltrond opacsmallimage also doesn't work
14:37 pastebot "SlyzertVoltrond" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opacusercss" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40
14:11 tcohen hi magnuse
14:10 * magnuse waves to tcohen
14:00 jcamins oleonard: yup.
14:00 oleonard ...leading inevitably to an hours-long peanut butter gapers delay
13:59 jcamins Okay, time to make some peanut butter pileups.
13:57 Joubu jcamins: we have several (internal) scripts doing some stuff like that. Maybe I will use them in a first step
13:56 Joubu jcamins: ok thanks. For the moment I park the problem at the bottom of my todo list.
13:55 jcamins That would be my recommendation, yeah.
13:55 gaetan_B hello
13:55 jcamins You're going to be creating a new Zebra index no matter what.
13:55 Joubu jcamins: so the solution would be to extend C4::Linker?
13:55 jcamins I don't think you have an option.
13:50 Joubu I thought to create a new zebra index, but I don't like the idea.
13:50 jcamins Yeah, that's why I didn't manage to include the improvement in any of my authority work.
13:48 Joubu And it seems, C4::Linker should be improved a lot for doing that
13:48 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: Please paste your custom CSS at http://paste.koha-community.org/ or share a link to the OPAC you're working on
13:48 jcamins Any field with a thesaurus (5xx) is (or can be) linked to other authorities.
13:48 wahanui bootstrap is, like, running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha
13:48 SlyzertVoltrond bootstrap
13:47 jcamins I think the syspref idea is going in the wrong direction, though.
13:46 jcamins I'd love to see C4::Linker extended to handle auth-auth links, but at the moment there is nothing that handles them.
13:46 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: What OPAC theme?
13:46 Joubu jcamins: great :)
13:46 * oleonard can't complain about other people's work on Koha lately because he's been tied up in non Koha stuff for weeks
13:46 jcamins Joubu: I've thought over your e-mail, and I have answers.
13:45 Joubu jcamins: yep
13:45 jcamins I wasn't joking about the minute thing!
13:44 oleonard Sheesh.
13:44 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: That message didn't reach us
13:44 SlyzertVoltrond "3.14, trying to change opac koha logo to a custom one"
13:44 SlyzertVoltrond i've already answer to that message, though
13:43 oleonard ashimema: My comment was not meant to imply that I thought you guys were slacking, but that those stats are probably not counting some of your signoffs
13:43 jcamins Your connection is cutting out every minute or so.
13:42 jcamins 08:30 < oleonard> SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do?
13:42 jcamins It's an IRC bouncer, so that you can see if anyone messages you while you're offline.
13:42 wahanui bip is pretty useful too :-)
13:42 SlyzertVoltrond bip?
13:42 jcamins SlyzertVoltrond: I think you need bip...
13:41 jcamins Joubu: around?
13:40 ashimema That might make sense.. either way we need to pull out weight more ;)
13:39 SlyzertVoltrond my internet is kinda bonkers today
13:37 jcamins I think the statistics on the paste are off bz, though I could be mistaken.
13:35 jcamins oleonard: I see one signoff each from Martin and Colin in 3.12, and presumably they signed off on those patches without changing bugzilla.
13:33 ashimema s/oleanard/oleonard/g
13:32 ashimema I'm kicking some butt here to get our guys doing mroe sign-off.. though I'm surprised it's that low.. I'm sure I've talked some of them through it at least a few times each.
13:31 ashimema I was somewhat surprised by that too oleanard..
13:30 oleonard SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do?
13:30 cait but ashimema is on qa now .)
13:30 oleonard Are those numbers for PTFS-Europe right? No signoffs?
13:30 cait maybe you have a syntax error
13:29 SlyzertVoltrond changing usercss in system preferences doesn't seem to work anymore
13:29 cait oleonard: take some cookies, go do sign offs... :P
13:27 oleonard Oh wait... Nope, just me.
13:27 oleonard If only some of the other developers here at ACPL would get off their butts and start signing off
13:27 oleonard I guess I need to step up on the signoffs. Or maybe stop submitting patches? http://paste.koha-community.org/27
13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hey there
13:25 wahanui hey, SlyzertVoltrond
13:25 SlyzertVoltrond hi
13:23 oleonard Hi #koha
13:23 cait tcohen: yeah, but i typed nen... and then realized there was no complete :)
13:15 tcohen s/client/IRC client/
13:14 tcohen cait, doesn't your client have tab-completion?
13:13 cait just need some more practice :)
13:12 cait i keep misreading your nick as nengard :(
13:12 cait hi nlegrand
13:12 cait hi nen
13:12 nlegrand Hey #koha :)
13:11 tcohen hi cait
13:11 cait morning tcohen :)
13:10 tcohen morning #koha
10:42 Joubu cait: you're welcome :)
10:39 cait thx Joubu
09:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11424 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Itemtype administration form is broken when noItemTypeImages is activated
09:33 cait bug 11424
09:33 cait hm filed abug
09:31 cait can someone confirm that the itemtype form is broken when noitemtypeimagesis off?
09:31 wahanui well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:31 cait interesting
09:29 cait hi drojf
09:28 ashimema mornin' cait
09:28 cait good morning ashimema
09:28 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 5.4°C (9:21 AM GMT on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising).
09:28 ashimema @wunder Stevenage, UK
08:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
08:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
08:23 cait not really a helpful one :)
08:23 petter I'll be patient
08:23 petter thanks for the advice!
08:23 petter ok
08:23 cait maybe if you wait a bit - it's quite empty here this morning
08:22 cait guess i am the wrong person to ask
08:22 petter How many concurrent request can it handle?
08:22 petter Is it using a thread-pool?
08:22 petter Can someone enlighten me about Koha's DB-connections?
08:20 cait matts: ready for christmas? :)
08:20 matts hi cait !
08:20 cait hi matts :)
08:20 matts hi #koha !
08:18 cait hi petter :)
08:16 petter morning koha!
08:09 cait good morning #koha
07:57 alex_a bonjour
07:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 9.4°C (8:43 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:43 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (8:40 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:43 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
07:41 magnuse @wunder boo
07:41 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:37 reiveune bonjour cait, kathryn, magnuse :)
07:36 cait hi reiveune
07:34 dcook All right. Time to indulge in holiday capitalism. Night all!
07:34 reiveune salut dcook :)
07:33 dcook salut reiveune
07:33 dcook hey cait
07:33 reiveune hello
07:32 cait hi dcook
07:29 dcook Bleargh...I should get moving. More Christmas stuff to buy...
07:25 magnuse yay! ;-)
07:25 dcook something else, luckily enough :)
07:24 magnuse is it koha or something else?
07:23 magnuse if it's broke, fix it ;-)
07:21 dcook Don't know if it's worth the time, but it's broken so...:S
07:21 dcook It needs to be completely re-imagined
07:21 dcook I wonder if I could've fixed it within the existing framework, but I don't think so
07:21 dcook Well, it wasn't working properly, so yes
07:21 dcook Hmm
07:18 magnuse and was it? :-)
07:03 dcook Then I realized...if I have to make something this convoluted...something else is wrong further upstream
07:03 * dcook started writing this really strange convoluted multi-dimensional array
06:59 cait hmm
06:59 magnuse gmcharlt++ can't be said too often
06:59 huginn cait: Highest karma: "oleonard" (806), "jcamins" (662), and "cait" (495). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). You (cait) are ranked 3 out of 2721.
06:59 cait @karma
06:58 huginn magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:58
06:58 magnuse @worldtime Europe/Oslo
06:58 cait gmcharlt++
06:58 * magnuse waves
06:41 cait morning
06:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0668dd7a8dbf2b34d8a93454bebf93dde44de38f> / Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ef04676835fc3c5b43d8b38736db354559d1be> / Bug 9673: QA followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6807a29afd05128efb3c05024a9d9803a02cb
06:06 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:06
06:06 gmcharlt @worldtime Europe/Paris
06:06 huginn gmcharlt: Error: I don't know about France/Paris
06:06 gmcharlt @worldtime France/Paris
06:05 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 01:05
06:05 gmcharlt @worldtime America/New_York
06:05 rangi w
06:05 rangi good email bt
06:05 rangi oh thats a handy one
06:04 huginn gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:04
06:04 gmcharlt @worldtime CET
04:53 dcook The IPA rather than the temperature, that is ;)
04:53 dcook ebegin: That sounds nice
04:49 ebegin -8 is not bad
04:48 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in General Burns, Ottawa, Ontario is -8.8°C (11:48 PM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
04:48 ebegin @wunder ottawa, ontario
04:48 * ebegin which he could fly to Australia to share a IPA with dcook
04:36 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013)
04:36 gmcharlt @quote random
04:30 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha BobB_ ebegin eythian dcook.
04:30 mtompset dcook: Then your test/changes wouldn't be thorough, but I can understand wanting to ignore it for a while. :)
04:30 BobB_ that's it
04:29 ebegin BobB_, thanks ! it make sense in a way. wahanui is always talking :-)
04:26 BobB_ ebegin, eythian, I was lead to believe that wahanui means 'loud mouth' in Maori?
04:22 dcook Beer might make me forget that it exists?
04:21 mtompset And beer will make it more sensible?
04:17 dcook I think I might need one too. This script I'm looking at makes almost no sense.
04:15 eythian you might be on to something there, dcook
04:15 dcook eythian: Time for beer
04:14 mtompset Nevermind... I need to finish the last patch first. :)
04:14 mtompset Care to sign off tiny patches? ;)
04:13 * eythian is totally failing to achieve anything here, might run off.
04:12 ebegin :)
04:12 wahanui ebegin: wish i knew
04:12 ebegin wahanui, what does your name means ?
04:12 eythian I suspect that's the interpretation.
04:12 eythian oh, it also translates as "big mouth" if you treat it as waha nui
04:12 mtompset Oh bother! Superscript doesn't cut and paste.
04:12 mtompset ƆiƟiIn
04:11 eythian I don't know which interpretation was intended for wahanui though
04:11 eythian it's a name and a conch shell
04:10 mtompset Forgot the 'ee'. :)
04:10 eythian oh no, wait, it's a name
04:10 mtompset Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟiIn
04:10 eythian I think it's like 'memory', though I'm not 100% sure
04:09 mtompset Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟIn
04:09 eythian yep
04:09 ebegin does wahanui means something in maori ?
04:08 ebegin mtompset rules in IPA
04:08 eythian nope
04:08 ebegin eythian, any signification ?
04:08 mtompset Ah. So not ƐƟiƆn
04:08 eythian mtompset: eye-thee-in, but it was never intended to be particularly phonetic.
04:07 dcook Living in Australia, I think I say "eh?" more than I did when I was in Canada. Subconscious refusal to give up my heritage ;).
04:06 dcook :p
04:06 ebegin he he
04:06 ebegin he doubles them
04:06 ebegin so is dcook :-)
04:06 dcook hehe
04:06 mtompset How do you pronounce it?
04:05 ebegin mtompset is canadian, so he puts Eh! everywhere :)
04:05 eythian but it is how many others do
04:05 eythian mtompset: that's not how I pronounce it.
04:05 ebegin mtompset, thanks ! I was not aware of that in english
04:04 mtompset Is it "eh?"-"th"-"ee"-"ann"?
04:03 dcook eythian: Naturally. That's our eythian.
04:03 mtompset http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet
04:03 eythian dcook: it's shrouded in mystery
04:03 dcook Already 3 o'clock here
04:03 eythian mtompset: there isn't one.
04:02 * dcook prefers Indian Pale Ale to International Phonetic Alphabet
04:02 ebegin hmmmm... beeeeer
04:02 dcook hehe
04:02 ebegin for me, IPA is Indian Pale Ale ;)
04:02 ebegin mtompset, IPA ?
04:02 * dcook has often wondered about the origin of eythian's name
04:02 mtompset What's the IPA for your name, eythian? ;)
04:01 * dcook chuckles as he reads his scrollback
04:01 eythian I suppose it could. Everyone seems to pronounce it differently (and half the time, spell it differently too.)
04:00 ebegin your nick sounds like if I was saying Etienne
04:00 mtompset http://youtu.be/v8G14REucsQ
04:00 eythian yep :)
04:00 ebegin Nope, Robin ;)
04:00 eythian nope
04:00 ebegin eythian, is your name etienne ?
03:59 wahanui ...but are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc...
03:59 eythian wahanui: are \you a bot is <reply>What? No.
03:59 wahanui wish i knew, eythian
03:59 eythian wahanui: are you a bot?
03:59 ebegin btw ;)
03:59 * ebegin is not crazy, I know wahanui is a bot
03:58 wahanui ebegin: excuse me?
03:58 ebegin wahanui, np ;)
03:58 wahanui ebegin: sorry...
03:58 ebegin wahanui, yes, you left ;)
03:58 wahanui ebegin: huh?
03:58 ebegin wahanui gave up :)
03:57 wahanui ebegin: that doesn't look right
03:57 ebegin change is really good
03:57 eythian he really doesn't. I've been meaning to figure out why, but haven't.
03:57 dcook Ok, so wahanui doesn't like change...
03:56 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right
03:56 dcook Change is good ;)
03:56 mtompset Why doesn't he just go buy an azerty keyboard and carry it with him?
03:55 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
03:55 mtompset @later tell tcohen A majority of the patches for bug 7567 can be applied against 3.14.x -- I haven't finished converting the big patch to smaller pieces yet, but all those smaller pieces there apply nicely.
03:55 ebegin being french, he uses a azerty keyboard for years and now has to change... :)
03:54 ebegin mtompset, francharb is funny when he fights its querty keyboard when he gives the training session :)
03:52 mtompset I can imagine that touch-typists get really messed up in the head if they have to switch keyboards.
03:51 ebegin mtompset, we do have a store like this near my office too :)
03:51 ebegin So, instead of the Q as you have, they have the A, Z replaces our W. and so on.
03:51 mtompset I learned about that recently, when a facebook friend of mine complained that they had thought they found a good cheap source for keyboards, but discovered they were AZERTY.
03:51 Brooke eythian++ for subbing in for druthb
03:50 ebegin french keyboards from France are called « AZERTY » because of the first 6 letters. Other keyboards are called QWERTY, which should be the case for all people around here but BibLibers
03:49 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <tcohen> @karma
03:49 mtompset @seen tcohen
03:49 mtompset Ooooo.... sweet! My patches apply to 3.14.x nicely with no changes. :)
03:49 Brooke ebegin: yep
03:49 dcook Hmm, my browser didn't like that antidote page
03:48 ebegin Our keyboard, in Quebec, have the same layout as the US, with minor differences for the diacritics
03:48 dcook Brooke: That's a good question. There are still a few keys I don't know in the Canadian French keyboards but overall...it seems like muscle memory
03:48 ebegin Brooke, you means a french keyboard from France.
03:47 ebegin dcook, I think so
03:47 mtompset Frustrating would be the word I use, Brooke. :)
03:47 Brooke I don't know how y'all swap back and forth without losing your bloody minds
03:47 ebegin Can not leave without it, even for a native french
03:47 dcook ebegin: Antidote has a mobile app too, no?
03:47 * Brooke remembers how utterly intimidating a French keyboard is.
03:47 ebegin if you need a very good (but not free) spell checker, I recommand Antidote : www.druide.com/antidote.html
03:46 dcook Although studying French made me understand English grammar way better..
03:46 dcook I think the hardest part is remembering some of the finer intricacies of the grammar
03:46 dcook I was pretty careful though. Good dictionaries.
03:45 dcook Mmm, sometimes
03:45 mtompset could you get the spell checker to correct your English typed words to the correct French? ;)
03:45 dcook ebegin: Yeah, that makes sense. Usually a person can change the combination as well.
03:44 dcook When I started writing essays in French for the 200/300 level courses, it was time to switch to actual keyboards though :p
03:44 mtompset dcook++ # you're the man! :)
03:44 * dcook did the majority of his 100-level French using alt + numberpad
03:44 ebegin mtompset, é = alt + 130
03:43 ebegin dcook, It usually depends on your keybord layout
03:43 mtompset I used to remember the alt codes for accents. :)
03:43 dcook mtompset: You can cheat using Alt + numberpad in most cases. It doesn't work so well with the IRC clients I've used though
03:43 mtompset To be honest, I just cut and paste my text from external sources. :)
03:42 dcook Ouais, certainement le premier choix.
03:41 dcook Possibly the former..
03:41 dcook I cannot remember if I prefer Canadian French or Canadian Multilingual Standard
03:40 dcook (minus one of those nows..)
03:39 dcook Windows key + Space is now the default combination now
03:39 dcook Yeah, that's what I've done in the past but Windows 8 is a bit different
03:39 ebegin dcook, usually, you can set multiple languages / keyboard and switch them using a key combinason. I use Ctrl + Shift
03:38 dcook D'accord :)
03:38 ebegin dcook, ça semble fonctionner :)
03:36 dcook \o/
03:36 dcook Ahh, je pense que j'ai trouvé un bon méthode pour changer les langues avec mon clavier dans Windows...
03:32 ebegin yep. I did it once in order to spend few days in Toronto area
03:32 mtompset ~8 hours.
03:32 mtompset So basically a good days drive from here to Montreal then. :)
03:31 ebegin mtompset, about 2 hours
03:31 ebegin yep :-) We (with francharb) giving a training to a new client nearby, on the Quebec side
03:31 mtompset How far is Ottawa from Montreal?
03:30 mtompset Ah, across the river. :)
03:30 ebegin mtompset, Je suis à Ottawa en ce moment
03:29 mtompset Comment ça va à Montréal? :)
03:29 dcook hey ebegin :)
03:29 mtompset Greetings, ebegin.
03:27 ebegin hey #koha !
03:25 mtompset (since I'm in the midst of tweaking the final stages on my patches)
03:25 mtompset I was going to ask about quick slips and news.
03:23 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> 3.6 was lovely and stable
03:23 mtompset @seen wizzyrea
03:23 mtompset wizzyrea: You here?
03:23 mtompset Oh, and belated greetings eythian dcook rangi.
03:22 Brooke how's it going?
03:22 mtompset Greetings, Brooke.
03:20 dcook \o
03:20 Brooke o/
03:13 mtompset Should be done in 24 hours. YAY!
03:13 mtompset On an aside, I've almost made the News by Branch patch split into nice parts. YAY!
03:12 * mtompset laughs, "Okay."
03:11 eythian Everybody who I know is right always agrees with me.
03:11 eythian You don't have to agree, but that will make you wrong, of course.
03:10 mtompset Unless you care to define your criteria for knowing, in which case I may have to agree based on definition if your criteria fit.
03:09 mtompset I admire your faith, eythian, but I can't say that I agree with it.
03:09 eythian I just know.
03:07 mtompset probably could get it within a confidence interval range with limited knowledge, but 100% certainty requires 100% knowledge.
03:06 mtompset How can you definitively know something is the best without knowing everything?
03:02 eythian Can too
03:00 mtompset You can't say best, unless you have listened to everything in the universe.
02:51 eythian Yeah, it's objective, not opinion.
02:46 mtompset Well, best... No. Pretty good. Yes.
02:46 dcook Nope. Objective fact, mtompset. :p
02:46 dcook I think he still might be touring too..
02:46 * mtompset tacks on a "in my opinion" implicitly. ;)
02:45 dcook Richard Cheese is the best.
02:38 eythian Richard Cheese is pretty good.
02:10 rangi hehe
02:10 drojf that's horrible. in a fascinating kind of way.
02:08 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAbAp5tbU0
02:08 rangi and kinda going back the other way
02:08 rangi so thats the lounge -> metal
02:07 rangi :)
02:06 drojf yeah he's cool. if i ever make it to >90 i will cover that song :D
02:06 * dcook debates staying in or going out for lunch...
02:03 drojf i had headphones plugged in and wondered why he's whispering
02:03 dcook That might've contributed..
02:03 dcook Ah, apparently I had Mogwai on in the background too
02:02 * dcook says in reference to the video
02:02 dcook I have no idea what I'm looking at right now
02:01 rangi 91 years old, and still awesome!
02:01 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305viYB-G1U
02:01 rangi also
02:00 drojf try that with a closed library system…
02:00 drojf sure. just having the option of switching the vendor is fantastic
01:59 drojf [off] and insist that you have done everything right does not help. especially if that means i did something wrong. which i did not. and i can prove it.
01:59 rangi outsourcing is a lot safer with floss
01:56 drojf and you can do a lot of weird things when installing koha without any idea what you are doing
01:56 dcook And maintained
01:56 dcook Totes
01:56 drojf if there is no infrastructure available, it may cost you time and money worth months of hosting just to get the right stuff. and then you need to get it working ^^
01:55 * dcook was going to use the example of the people who mow his lawn, then he remembered that he's actually being ripped off for that and that it's not a good example at all
01:54 dcook Depending on the price
01:54 dcook Outsourcing makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways though
01:54 dcook [off] So much of what I write is on the demystification of technology for non-it people
01:54 dcook [off] ^^ so much that
01:53 drojf [off] because university non-it people think it people know everything. and it people want to keep it that way. but they don't. they do not know a lot :/
01:53 eythian I can believe that. Universities tend to get quite political internally.
01:53 rangi IT depts, ruining it for everyone since 1982
01:53 drojf [off] my impression is that university it people can be really annoying, the less they know what they are doing
01:52 drojf but yes. i was thinking of support for people that host in-house but need the certain 'X' on top of that. now that there seems to be demand for the other way round i consider doing that too
01:52 eythian In general, we've found the council IT to be pretty good. These are small councils, so might have just a few people, all of whom are competent.
01:51 drojf avoid_own_it_people++ (unfortunately those that should be avoided are the ones that are used)
01:50 eythian So for the latter, we host, for the former, we just support and they host.
01:50 eythian We've found that (to generalise) there are two main schools of thought for libraries: those (often regional councils) who must in-house everything they can, and those (often government) who outsource everything they can. Probably to avoid their own IT people.
01:49 drojf i tried to tell libraries to host their own koha for quite a while now. i accept that is not for everyone, and i also would not mind to be able to continue working with koha after my contract ends in march. so, well, if they insist, i might host it. ^^
01:47 * dcook should really join in on this cloud thang
01:46 rangi pretty much
01:46 * dcook thinks rangi has servers all over the world
01:46 dcook join the koha hosting business!
01:44 rangi yep
01:44 drojf the vps are only single core so i was thinking of a root server. i had two libraries ask about hosting and that seems much more powerful than two vps
01:42 drojf cool
01:40 rangi amongst other things
01:40 rangi http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ <-- thats on there
01:40 rangi vps
01:40 drojf root server or vps?
01:39 rangi yeah im using hetzner
01:38 drojf looks like you can basically install everything on hetzner root servers. cool. i guess i'll start with a regular debian and multiple instances anyway in case anything comes out of that "join the koha hosting business" thing
01:35 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:23 rangi new connection is never made
01:23 rangi under plack, timesout from inactivity
01:23 rangi under cgi its fine, script dies, new connection
01:22 rangi (this is my Zconn thing)
01:22 rangi it never tries to reconnect
01:22 rangi tracked it down
01:18 dcook np :)
01:17 drojf thanks for trying! that really confused me
01:16 drojf not sure why it was enabled
01:16 drojf usually oi dont use german in master
01:16 drojf that's fine
01:16 drojf my translation files are just not up to date
01:16 dcook Glad you figured it out. Sucks that it exists :/
01:16 drojf :)
01:16 drojf its a translation thing. i changed to english to see how the field is named correctly, and it works
01:15 drojf oh
01:15 dcook That's in Chrome on Windows 8
01:15 drojf i have no userjs, i just checked
01:15 drojf ok
01:15 drojf *focus changes when i press any key
01:15 dcook drojf: I just tried it and it seems fine :/
01:15 dcook I did a spell check of an article I wrote without spellcheck though...no spelling errors. I was happy with that.
01:15 drojf dcook: yep, on cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl if i choose the search field under 'global system preferences', focus changes to the search field on top
01:14 * dcook can't type today apparently
01:14 rangi heh
01:14 dcook s/more/much/
01:14 dcook Such = so
01:14 rangi yep
01:14 dcook Such more more work
01:14 dcook I think that's reasonable
01:14 rangi cos it takes a lot more work
01:14 rangi we actually do when it comes to design, not double, but it will cost more
01:14 dcook Indeed
01:13 rangi and charge them double
01:13 dcook I should put together a profile of clients we need to support ie7 for
01:13 dcook rangi: Touché
01:13 rangi (we currently have to, for a little while longer for at least one client)
01:13 rangi if support companies have to, that's their problem
01:12 dcook Is this from "/cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl"?
01:12 dcook Ok, so what was that again, drojf?
01:12 rangi i dont think the project needs to support ie7
01:12 * dcook is finally rebased and upgraded
01:12 eythian oh right
01:11 dcook Admittedly, feature detection is better than browser detection, but sometimes you just have to do the latter
01:11 dcook They've also removed the MSIE from wherever that was
01:11 dcook They've changed the appName to Netscape from Microsoft Internet Explorer
01:10 eythian what IE11 thing?
01:10 dcook Let's make it harder for you to develop for our inferior software by making it say that it's better than it is...
01:10 * dcook is still bitter about the whole IE 11 thing
01:10 drojf or even http://saveie6.com/
01:10 drojf that is why the FOSS scene should keep it alive ^^
01:09 rangi if you cant upgrade from xp yet
01:09 rangi in fact they tell you to use firefox
01:09 rangi nope
01:09 eythian like, by microsoft
01:09 rangi nope
01:09 drojf i thought that is only for the OPAC
01:09 eythian is IE7 still supported?
01:09 drojf does the staff client work with IE7?
01:09 dcook Or if it's all library staff
01:09 * dcook wonders if there are any actual library users using IE
01:09 drojf what other reason would there be… ;)
01:08 dcook Mostly because we have clients who have to use it :(
01:08 dcook I'm one of the pro supporting IE7 folks :p
01:08 * dcook cringes
01:08 dcook That we do
01:08 drojf on the other hand, we want so support IE7 :P
01:08 dcook Ah, I was just curious because I tend to use Chrome/Chromium almost exclusively
01:07 drojf i should try a later one, good point
01:07 dcook Yeah, I think my Firefox on here is 26 or so
01:07 drojf 17. lol. i think they are at something like 28
01:07 dcook hehe
01:07 drojf iceweasel… some ancient firefox on debian
01:06 dcook drojf: fwiw, what browser are you using?
01:03 dcook Erm. Just give me a minute.
01:02 drojf thanks dcook
01:02 dcook I'll take a look, drojf
00:57 drojf in master, the second i start typing in the global sysprefs search field, the focus jumps to the search field on top of the page. can anyone reproduce that? i did not find a bug for it and i'm not sure if it is a local problem
00:22 dcook jcamins: Good point.
00:21 dcook (Ah, based on Gingerbread anyway, so it might not be much of an improvement, anyway.)
00:21 jcamins That one's not as much of a problem, though, I think... if you haven't come into the library in two years, you probably would understand if they wanted you to confirm your address, etc.
00:21 dcook (Damn it. Now I really want to install CyanogenMod on my phone, but...my new one hasn't arrived yet...)
00:20 dcook Casual use of the library as well, although that one is more difficult to track
00:20 dcook Indeed
00:19 jcamins What with it not taking into account electronic resources? Yeah.
00:19 dcook I didn't realize that cleanborrower was based on borrowing dates. That could be a bit problematic as well..
00:18 dcook Huh, I knew about cleanborrower.pl, but I didn't know about delete_patrons.pl
00:18 gmcharlt and misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl
00:18 dcook (Snap, I think there is a Cyanogenmod build for my 2.5 year old smart phone...that's awesome)
00:17 gmcharlt tools/cleanborrower.pl
00:16 dcook Automatic purge? Do we have one of those?
00:15 gmcharlt on the other hand, if a patron has made a recent suggestion, that might be reason to consider them active enough to avoid the automatic pruge
00:15 dcook Yeah, I was pondering that as well.
00:15 gmcharlt yeah, there's one obvious question of what a library wants to happen to an active suggestion made by a patron that's to be deleted
00:14 dcook It would probably need to be checked a bit more thoroughly to see if it would cause issues anywhere else with suggestions
00:13 dcook I might make a local stopgap in the meantime but also report a Bugzilla issue for this one
00:13 gaetan_B bye !
00:13 dcook Hmm
00:12 dcook No worries, jcamins
00:12 jcamins I thought the problem was a stuck e-mail for a patron that was deleted.
00:12 * jcamins is writing a presentation, and just skimmed.
00:12 jcamins Oh, I misunderstood the problem.
00:12 * dcook thinks this also makes the most sense
00:11 dcook That would do it
00:11 dcook ^^
00:11 * gmcharlt would personally prefer that suggestedby just be made nullable and an on delete set null FK to borrowers.borrowernumber
00:11 dcook Ah, but that's not the problem
00:11 jcamins There we go, then. Very sensible.
00:11 dcook Actually, message_queue already has a cascading delete for the borrowernumber FK. Hmm..
00:10 jcamins Yes, I'm suggesting that the anonymous patron is a non-issue wrt to the problem you ran into, and the problem you ran into can be solved by deleting messages in the queue when a borrower is deleted.
00:10 dcook Wouldn't those be two separate things?
00:09 dcook O_o
00:08 jcamins dcook: or add an ON DELETE CASCADE to message_queue, since the manual already says that if you haven't set up an anonymous patron, you can't use certain anonymous features.
00:03 dcook I suppose the easiest thing to do is just check if the borrowernumber is valid before trying to send the email
00:02 eythian it would have been around 3.8 that I was looking into it
00:02 eythian I remember looking at this some time ago, so my memory may be hazy.
00:02 * dcook is really looking forward to upgrading at some point...
00:02 dcook Which is a bit problematic...(at least, that was in 3.8.0)
00:02 dcook I think you can make anonymous suggestions, but they don't appear in the management UI
00:02 dcook Or rather...
00:02 dcook Something like that
00:01 eythian as in, the UI for it doesn't show up.
00:01 eythian Though I think it doesn't allow anon suggestions if you don't have an anon patron (IIRC)
00:01 eythian dcook: that's what you have to do, yes
00:00 dcook Or you'd have the same error if folks left the syspref at 0
00:00 dcook I wonder what happens for anonymous suggestions..I suppose you need to have an anonymous patron set up so probably just failed emails