Time Nick Message 00:22 jcamins Does anyone have any better suggestions for king mackarel than green Thai curry? 00:23 jcamins (not that I can think of much to top a Thai green curry) 00:24 wizzyrea polenta crumbed and pan fried. 00:24 wizzyrea not that it is *better* than curry, but different from curry. 00:25 jcamins Actually, we got a big fish this week, so maybe I'll do both. :D 00:40 dcook both \o/ 00:40 * dcook is so tempted to get curry today... 02:21 jcamins That was the best Thai curry I have ever had. 02:23 wizzyrea yay! 02:23 jcamins I didn't have as much fish as I thought, so there was no polenta-crumbed mackarel. 02:25 wizzyrea oh well, another day ;) 02:53 jcamins cait? 02:53 wahanui cait: go to bed 03:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 05:23 mtompset Greetings, dcook kenan24 05:24 mtompset Well. I'm calling it a day. Have a great day, #koha. 06:10 dcook night #koha 06:47 * cait waves tiredly 07:27 arunkumars3189 hi 07:27 wahanui hola, arunkumars3189 07:29 arunkumars3189 hola 07:29 wahanui what's up, arunkumars3189 07:41 reiveune hello 07:49 alex_a bonjour 07:50 marcelr hi #koha 07:54 * magnuse waves 08:20 nlegrand Hey #koha o/ 08:20 cait good morning #koha 08:25 gaetan_B hello 08:37 cait hi gaetan_B 08:37 cait :) 08:42 * magnuse waves again 08:43 cait morning magnuse 08:44 magnuse hiya cait 08:44 magnuse back at work? 09:13 cait yep 09:13 cait reading a gazillion mails 09:13 cait well sorting and deleting most of it first 09:28 magnuse good plan :-) 11:10 ashimema mornin' #koha 11:29 ashimema anyone here using Koha::Contrib::tamil indexer? 11:29 ashimema I'm wondering what it adds to the game now that bug 6435 has been pushed? 11:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, dpk, Pushed to Stable , [ENH] Added daemon mode parameters to rebuild_zebra.pl 12:51 tcohen morning #koha 12:57 cait ashimema + tcohen = ping! 13:00 tcohen hi ashimema 13:11 francharb good morning #koha 13:11 tcohen hi francharb 13:29 oleonard Hi #koha 13:29 cait hi oleonard :) 13:30 tcohen hi oleonard 13:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #145 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #145: UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/145/ 13:59 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release 13:59 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11307: Fix potential XSS attack in public catalog RSS feed 13:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: Cleaning up docs/history.txt 13:59 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search 13:59 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 13:59 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export 13:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11307 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Potential XSS attack vector in opac rss feed 13:59 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11061: remove unused routine Koha::Calendar::_mock_init 13:59 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11146: Show a go back link on no permission page 13:59 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7491: improve description of the item-level_itypes syspref 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , use template branches plugin in serials search 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11061 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Calendar::_mock_init is unused 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11146 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Show a go back link on no permission page 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7491 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Description for item-level_itypes is misleading 14:00 * Oak waves 14:10 magnuse Oak 14:11 Oak magnuse 14:11 Oak \o/ 14:11 oleonard A giant magnuse? Impossible? http://scifi-covers.com/post/69185205760/magnus-robot-fighter-21-space-specter 14:11 magnuse \o/ 14:12 magnuse yeah, fighting robots is something i have taken a liking to doing in my spare time lately... 14:12 * magnuse waves to talljoy 14:12 talljoy hi magnuse! 14:13 * oleonard hands magnuse a robots.txt 14:13 Oak funny 14:13 magnuse lol, clever! 14:13 Oak :) 14:14 magnuse (and by lol, i mean i *actually* laughed out loud :-) 14:14 oleonard I learned that one from the surprise ending of "Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla" 14:19 ashimema hi tcohen.. i'm back now. 14:22 tcohen hi ashimema 14:22 ashimema tcohen, I wondered if you could give me a brief rundown of what the tamil indexer does as a comparison to rebuild_zebra.pl (with deamon mode and locking)? I'd like to get bug 8773 checked off and am wondering about the coice of tmil vs native koha ;) 14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:28 tcohen tamil's indexer is a collection of tools, plus the indexer. They are OO and nice. I don't like that it is outside the codebase 14:28 tcohen of the community's repo 14:29 tcohen bug 5166 proposed to refactor rebuild_zebra.pl as a library and a daemon script 14:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED WONTFIX, Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib 14:29 tcohen (i don't like having rebuild_zebra.pl getting bigger and bigger) 14:30 tcohen bug 8773 specifically implements a straightforward to use any indexer script on a pre-instance basis 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:30 tcohen s/pre/per/ 14:31 tcohen what it does already exists on the 3.12 onwards codebase as koha-index-daemon-ctl.sh 14:31 tcohen this is just the packages counterpart 14:32 ashimema yeah, it would be nice to factor out rebuild into a library.. 14:32 ashimema I see.. 14:33 ashimema So, theoretically it shoudl work with either Tamil or the Deamon mode of rebuild_zebra depending upon the config 14:33 ashimema I'm still reaing through the comment history of the bug.. it's huge 14:33 tcohen yes, /etc/default/koha-common would be the place to set it 14:34 tcohen oh, I recall Tamil's indexer depended on Moose, which put it on hold in some people's minds 14:34 ashimema cheers tcohen.. I'll take a look at it shortly.. 14:34 ashimema I suppose I should really get my head around the Tamil indexer at some point too as to make an informed decision on wether to stick to koha's internal script of use theirs 14:35 tcohen even thou I maintain our own packages set for 3.12.x at UNC, including 8773 patches 14:36 tcohen I stopped using the indexer daemon until I figure out why it is failing for authorities (DOM) 14:37 tcohen by the way, we used 5166's daemon in production for a couple of years until I realized it wouldn't get into Koha, and took me too much effort to rebase against every rebuild_zebra.pl refactoring/modification 14:37 ashimema ack.. 14:38 ashimema so there's three disperate efforts to do the same things.. doug's recent work on rebuild_zebra.pl directly, your factoring out as a library, and tamils work external to koha altogether.. what a mess 14:38 ashimema thanks for clearing up the history 14:48 jcamins For future reference, if anyone decides to sew a pamphlet made of paper in octavo, punching holes for the sewing is much easier after opening the pages. 14:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #423 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #423: SUCCESS in 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/423/ 14:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add info about OVERRIDE_SYSPREF 14:59 Oak jcamins++ 15:04 ashimema OK tcohen, now I've caught up on the back story, I'll go ahead and QA it. Thanks for all the background. 15:19 rambutan @wunder 64507 15:19 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -4.5°C (9:19 AM CST on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 15:26 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk 15:26 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 10.6°C (3:21 PM GMT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 15:26 Oak @wunder islamabad 15:26 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad Airport, Pakistan is 15.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa. 15:34 rambutan hey Oak, how are you? 15:43 Oak hello rambutan, i'm good, how are you? 15:43 rambutan good, good 15:47 rambutan [off]Marshall Breeding has an article in the current issue of Computers in Libraries 15:48 rambutan [off]token nod to open source ILSs, but ,,,,well... I better stop there 15:51 druthb [off] Marshall has never really been all that warm to the notion of FOSS generally. 15:52 gmcharlt not particularly, no 15:57 cait [off] no matter the facts... 15:58 rambutan [off]no advertising revenue in articles about open-source 15:59 druthb [off] having met him in person at my last SirsiDynix conference, I can say, with some confidence, that he is a self-made man who is in love with his creator. How he struck me, anyway. 15:59 rambutan [off]I always suspected the same about Stephen Abram, mostly I used to enjoy reading his articles and blog 16:01 rambutan [off]actually I like listening to Marshall speak (yea, so he's a bit dry), I do actually get into his statistics and follow his train of thought 16:01 druthb [off] Stephen knows he has groupies, yes, but he's a genuinely nice guy in person. Last time I saw him, it'd been a couple of years—since before transition, in fact—and he knew me instantly, was warmly complimentary and told me he'd been watching my process on Facebook. 16:02 rambutan [off]yes, agree completely about that personal evaluation of Stephen. His is a nice guy and good speaker, but it seems he moderates talks 16:02 rambutan [off]as much as talking himself 16:03 druthb [off]when he was shilling for SD, it was kind of obvious he'd sold his soul to the devil; I actually said so, to his face. Told him when he was doing his brilliant research and stuff on the future, it was cool, but leave the peddling to the peddlers. 16:04 * druthb waves to mtompset 16:04 rambutan well :) 16:04 mtompset greetings, #koha. 16:04 rambutan greetings naman 16:04 mtompset Greetings, druthb rambutan. 16:06 rambutan Well, I need to go do my Monday morning walk-around and see what the gremlins did over the weekend 16:08 reiveune bye 16:23 rambutan Well, that walk-about cost me $10 16:23 mtompset @seen paul_p 16:23 huginn mtompset: paul_p was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <paul_p> rangi ??? plug ? 16:24 paul_p mtompset yes ? 16:25 mtompset I'm in the midst of commenting on your reply to the file upload bug. 16:26 mtompset The dangling URLs and non-file-upload URLs (what I called external) don't quite handle smoothly. 16:27 mtompset It's not about URL validity, but rather is the URL a file-uploa URL. 16:28 mtompset (don't jump to the delete screen if it is a non-file-upload URL) 16:29 mtompset (don't jump to the delete screen if the file-upload URL is dangling) 16:29 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 17:00 oleonard Oi. Meetings. :P 17:02 rambutan but oh, the coffee, juice, bagles with cream cheese and muffins make meetings so worth it 17:03 oleonard Yeah, *if* it comes with coffee juice bagels with cream cheese muffins. 17:03 rambutan ? don't all meetings have nice amenities? 17:04 tcohen anyone on wheeze? 17:05 jcamins oleonard: I went on a no-meeting strike until my boss agreed to have food available. 17:06 oleonard jcamins: I imagine that wasn't a long drawn-out fight 17:06 jcamins oleonard: he was surprisingly understanding about the importance of fresh-baked goods. 17:07 oleonard I think next time I'll have to bring the snacks myself, particularly if it's going to run 3 hours 17:08 mtompset tcohen: wheezy? 17:08 wahanui wheezy is testing 17:09 tcohen i need to confirm instance creation fails because of wheeze using Apache 2.4 17:09 tcohen i'm about to write a patch for that 17:09 jcamins tcohen: cait tried it and had problems. 17:09 cait tcohen: i have a write up what I did 17:09 cait tcohen: if you want to compare? 17:10 jcamins cait: still on vacation? 17:10 cait nope 17:10 cait working 17:10 jcamins I thought you were going to be back at work today. 17:10 cait and still at work actually... but i almost see the gorund of my inbox now 17:10 tcohen apache 2.4's a2ensite expect the instance definition files be named .conf 17:10 cait tcohen: that's only one of the things 17:10 tcohen the other was permissions? 17:10 jcamins Oh, right. Someone took kf. 17:10 cait yeah and a third one 17:10 cait sec 17:11 tcohen auth-compat? 17:11 cait jcamins: salt into my wounds? 17:11 cait might have done stupid things, but that's my write up 17:11 cait [off] https://librarygeekgirl.ssl-secured-server.de/wiki/doku.php?id=koha:apache2&s[]=apache 17:11 cait i think one problem was related to the setup - localhost 17:13 tcohen ok, i'll post a patch that detects apache 2.4 and appends .conf to the file names 17:14 tcohen and also might enable access_compat 17:14 tcohen a2enmod access_compat 17:14 tcohen is there a bug for this cait? 17:16 cait tcohen: no i didn't file one - took me a day to figure it out and i was not sure if i really did something that made sense :) 17:16 tcohen heh 17:16 cait should we fix the permissions? 17:16 tcohen i struggled with this when I upgraded my lapotop to 13.10 17:16 cait same... 17:16 tcohen access_compat might solve it 17:16 tcohen downloading an iso to reproduce 17:17 tcohen I think tweaking the permissions should be done by the user for now 17:17 tcohen i mean, is an upstream error IMHO 17:17 fredericd tcohen: Have you seen bug 11081? I've introduced the Tamil indexer into Koha code base 17:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11081 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base 17:17 tcohen oh, no :-D 17:17 tcohen didn't notice it before! 17:18 fredericd I don't think it should be too difficult to sign this patch, since you already how it works... 17:22 tcohen i'll give it a rige fredericd 17:22 tcohen ride 17:52 tcohen hmmmm 18:12 tcohen @later tell cait bug 11404 18:12 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:19 * cait waves 18:20 cait tcohen: your later is abit cryptic 18:21 tcohen_ i created a bug for the Apache 2.4 issue 18:21 tcohen_ just that 18:21 cait aah :) ok 18:22 tcohen i don't think my patch is a complete solution, we need changing the docs for 2.4 users 18:23 tcohen anyway, gotta leave now 18:23 tcohen bye #koha 18:23 cait have a nice evening :) 18:30 gaetan_B bye ! 19:23 rangi morning 19:23 oleonard Hi rangi 19:23 rambutan afternoon 19:23 rangi http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/16/0413225/nz-developers-win-koha-trademark-case 19:24 * rangi updates his blogpost 19:24 rambutan ooooh, we got slashdotted. We're up there now, major leagues. 19:30 oleonard The comments on that post... Yeah. 19:31 rangi slashdot is not even close to what it used to be 19:31 rambutan yea, too many other Web2.0 sites 19:33 ibeardslee so many other sites reguritating content from other sites 19:34 ibeardslee the worst are the ones that just have the first paragraph or so of an article from another site with a link to it to read more .. and then 'spam' that to social media to get the hits for ad revenue 19:35 rangi http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/70177473109/if-kohails-could-talk 19:36 rangi i love workaholics 19:46 jcamins Windows-- 19:47 gmcharlt I think this is the first time in over six months that I actually looked at a post on Slashdot 19:47 jcamins gmcharlt: I read headlines. 19:47 jcamins Occasionally. 19:47 druthb http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/63070801487/integrating-3rd-party-stuff <—if I didn't love this job so much, this would be more painful. 19:47 jcamins I used to read slashdot, and now Chrome autocompletes it. 19:47 gmcharlt I skim it in my feed reader, but ... wow, most of the posts sound ... young 19:47 druthb I get the headlines in my RSS feed, and once in a while, I read something. Rarely the comments. 19:54 rambutan jcamins: funny 20:05 rangi yeah its just as well its not like it used to be, cos there is a link to my blog on that story, that would have crippled it in the olden days 20:08 cait hi rangi 20:09 wizzyrea the slashdot article, well, comments did teach me one thing that I didn't know and should have. 20:09 wizzyrea the location of the original Zealand. 20:10 wizzyrea hm suppose I should be watching for slashdotting on the community site as well 20:10 rangi heh you really dont have to worry 20:11 wizzyrea naw, just watching. 20:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Does koha-community.org use a caching plugin? 20:13 wizzyrea yea, wp-super-cache 20:13 wizzyrea whyfor? 20:14 * wizzyrea decides not to upgrade wp whilst the link is on slashdot front page. 20:14 wizzyrea in case it goes dumb. 20:15 rambutan "whilst"? What's become of you wizzyrea? 20:16 wizzyrea daddy done fell out the deer stand agin. 20:16 wizzyrea git yer sister, we's goin to dat dere horspital. 20:17 cait wizzyrea: confused non-native speaker :) 20:17 wizzyrea :) 20:17 oleonard wizzyrea: Just curious, since I'm trying to learn more about WP 20:17 wizzyrea [off] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHMygP3Hd2vb3BOhCyraNXc9DdSZainVQ 20:18 wizzyrea ^ is for cait 20:21 wizzyrea so. awful. 20:21 oleonard "Some fool stole my buggy at the Piggly-Wiggly" Ha! 20:22 wizzyrea :) 20:23 wizzyrea now I have lost all sense of what I was doing. 20:28 jcamins wizzyrea: isn't Zeeland in the Netherlands? 20:28 wizzyrea yep 20:29 jcamins Why on earth was that mentioned in Slashdot comments? 20:29 * jcamins looked and didn't see that post. 20:30 ashimema fredericd 20:30 wahanui fredericd is translation manager for 3.8 20:30 wizzyrea someone asked, sarcastically, and got an honest answer. 20:30 wizzyrea because sarcasm can't stand on the internet ;) 20:30 ashimema fredericd: also interested in your tamil work getting into koha.. should be interesting 20:30 jcamins Alas, where is marcelr when we need him? Now I want to know what "zee" means. 20:30 wizzyrea probably "sea" 20:31 jcamins Apparently so. 20:31 wahanui apparently so is just after fa 20:31 wizzyrea zee-land = sea-land 20:31 jcamins Huh, I always thought Zeeland was on the east side of the country. 20:31 jcamins The fact that it's on the west side of the country makes this *much* clearer. 20:40 cait @later tell tcohen - looked at the photos - looks like a great party :) 20:40 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:40 cait hi barton 20:43 magnuse have fun #koha! 20:44 cait oh and hi kathryn ;) 20:45 kathryn hiya cait 20:45 cait :) 20:49 oleonard A new Koha mailing list? *sigh* 20:50 cait hm yeah 20:50 cait i though that too actually 20:50 cait and another english speaking one as well 20:50 jcamins Hey, does anyone else recognize the name "Kohana"? I feel like I've heard it before. 20:51 oleonard Kohana: The Swift PHP Framework 20:51 jcamins I guess it's a PHP framework, but I feel like I might've heard it in a Koha context. 20:53 oleonard You guys don't understand, North American Koha users were clogging up the main Koha list with numerous questions specific to North America and it was just too much. 20:53 oleonard Alternatively: North American Koha users have super-secret stuff to talk about and you have to be North American to understand. 20:55 cait oh, it's good that you explained that 20:55 cait :) 20:56 * druthb waves her snark-o-meter at oleonard, to see if it detects snark coming from him. 20:57 * druthb bangs her snark-o-meter against the arm of her chair. "Darn thing's busted." 20:59 druthb wow, 3PM already. where has the day gone? 21:00 oleonard all that snark doesn't detect itself druthb 21:00 * druthb nods. 21:00 druthb You may have oversnarked it. 21:00 druthb broke mah meter. 21:02 gmcharlt oleonard: the motivation is much more to create a vehicle around which there can be at least the possibility of there being NA Koha conferences 21:04 wizzyrea (which makes some sense.) 21:05 gmcharlt if regional conferences make sense anywhere, they presumably make sense for North American too 21:13 nengard I'm with gmcharlt 21:13 nengard there is a french users group, why not a north american one 21:14 nengard lots of open source software apps have multiple local users groups 21:14 wizzyrea yep, just call it KohaCamp or something 21:14 wizzyrea not kohacon. :P 21:14 nengard who's calling it kohacon? 21:14 nengard what did i mis 21:14 nengard miss 21:15 rangi no one is, just preemptive 21:15 nengard Of course there is only one KohaCon 21:15 nengard and there is only one Koha 21:15 rambutan quick, somebody trademark "KohaCon" 21:15 cait nengard: i tihn local user groups make sense 21:15 cait just wondering if dividing users up into so many mailing lists will work out 21:15 cait but we will see:) 21:16 nengard again - there are other language lists 21:16 nengard already 21:16 rambutan someday I'm going to start a list for Koha system admins. 21:16 oleonard Right, because those folks speak different languages 21:17 nengard true, but the issues discussed on a North American user's group list would be related to local meetings and developments that maybe libraries in the same country can co-develop etc etc 21:17 nengard You know me - I'm all about community and pushing everyone to participate in the global lists and chats etc 21:18 nengard but I also see why smaller local groups might want this kind of thing 21:18 gmcharlt rambutan: funny you should mention that; there was an abortive effort to do something similar in Evergreen, but it didn't go anywhere 21:18 gmcharlt in part, because of concerns about splitting the focus of open-ils-dev 21:18 gmcharlt which led to a /very/ chilly reception of the idea 21:18 rambutan well, I am serious, BTW, but there clearly isn't enough mass to support it right now 21:19 gmcharlt and in part, because ultimately there wasn't enough critical mass to push through the objections 21:19 rangi the proof is in the pudding 21:19 * cait agrees 21:19 rangi people use it, and still use the main list, its good 21:19 oleonard I think creation of a second kind of list should follow on the heels of "Gee, we sure are getting way to many of X kind of messages on the list" 21:19 rangi no one can predict it 21:20 rambutan I think that someday there will need to be a chat channel for sysadmins too. I mean, devs are nice to share this channel with occasional... 21:21 * gmcharlt generally favors the notion that if somebody wants a list, they're free to create it -- so long as the general understanding and expectation is that lists are allowed to and /will/ die after a few months in inactivity 21:21 rambutan off topic discussion, but I'm sensitive to the need to not distract devs from doing real work 21:22 rangi talking to your users is real work 21:22 rangi any dev that thinks it isnt, isnt a very good dev 21:22 rangi :) 21:22 gmcharlt and it's not like IRC is like a phone 21:22 rangi phones-- 21:22 gmcharlt in *principle* a dev can turn it off if they need to concentrate 21:22 gmcharlt in practice... it does vary a bit ;) 21:23 rambutan yea, well, nice of you to say so, but when devs are talking about how to implement a bubble-up-and-down sort using javascript, it just doesn't seem.... 21:23 nengard I think that we've gotten too sensitive on issues like this (user groups and such) because of past evils ... it's not all gonna go the way it did in the past 21:23 rambutan right to break in with a question about how to integrate a children's playstation with koha 21:24 rangi ahh, it's totally right to do that, as long as you dont specifically address one 21:24 rangi thats like us all in a room having 2 discussions 21:24 rangi thats fine 21:24 gmcharlt if we had rather more people actively talking, I definitely could see more reason to split channels 21:24 rangi its when you walk over and yell at me 21:24 jcamins I can see value in an additional mailing list for people who want something more like #koha in terms of "I'm doing something nuts and I want some feedback on it" without getting a "PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS STUPID LIST YOU GUYS WRITE TOO MUCH" in response. 21:24 gmcharlt but ... we're not /that/ chatty IMO 21:24 rangi that that is bad 21:25 jcamins gmcharlt: except on baking day. Should there be a #koha-cooking channel? ;) 21:25 rangi heh 21:25 druthb koha-cooking++ 21:25 gmcharlt jcamins: that sounds positively torturous 21:25 gmcharlt all of those /promises/ of delcious food 21:25 cait mmh cookies! 21:25 gmcharlt but nothing in real life 21:25 gmcharlt ;) 21:25 jcamins I've started deliving holiday cookies to the building staff. 21:26 cait maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :) 21:26 gmcharlt @quote add <cait> maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :) 21:26 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #285 added. 21:26 cait heh 21:26 jcamins gmcharlt: so there are cookies in real life for some people, at least! 21:26 jcamins This is what you get for moving to Seattle instead of NYC. 21:27 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed; downside to every decision 22:01 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18704 23:04 cait @later tell khall_away could you take a nother look at 11336? waiting to do QA there when the follow up is agreed on :) 23:04 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 23:04 cait @later tell khall - could you take a nother look at 11336? waiting to do QA there when the follow up is agreed on 23:04 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 23:04 * dcook waves so that cait can go to bed :p 23:04 cait oh an di forgot to ask you about monday this morning 23:04 cait what would you have told me? 23:05 dcook Hmm, that's a good question 23:05 dcook It started out rainy but got warm 23:05 dcook I bought some new boots 23:05 * dcook doesn't really recall much other than that 23:05 dcook Mangos are delicious especially with ice cream? 23:05 cait lol 23:05 cait not with icecream? 23:05 cait well mango icecream is delicious 23:05 dcook Also delicious 23:06 cait oh misread :) 23:06 dcook [off] Also, if you complain to a book vendor, they respond with an email telling you that your books were shipped a week ago 23:07 cait hm 23:07 cait i iddn't do that 23:08 cait but other weird things happened... 23:08 cait keep an eye on tuesday for me ok? 23:08 cait btw - eythian - today we had white fog all day, you might have got lost :) 23:08 dcook Can do ;)