Time  Nick           Message
00:22 jcamins        Does anyone have any better suggestions for king mackarel than green Thai curry?
00:23 jcamins        (not that I can think of much to top a Thai green curry)
00:24 wizzyrea       polenta crumbed and pan fried.
00:24 wizzyrea       not that it is *better* than curry, but different from curry.
00:25 jcamins        Actually, we got a big fish this week, so maybe I'll do both. :D
00:40 dcook          both \o/
00:40 * dcook        is so tempted to get curry today...
02:21 jcamins        That was the best Thai curry I have ever had.
02:23 wizzyrea       yay!
02:23 jcamins        I didn't have as much fish as I thought, so there was no polenta-crumbed mackarel.
02:25 wizzyrea       oh well, another day ;)
02:53 jcamins        cait?
02:53 wahanui        cait: go to bed
03:12 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
05:23 mtompset       Greetings, dcook kenan24
05:24 mtompset       Well. I'm calling it a day. Have a great day, #koha.
06:10 dcook          night #koha
06:47 * cait         waves tiredly
07:27 arunkumars3189 hi
07:27 wahanui        hola, arunkumars3189
07:29 arunkumars3189 hola
07:29 wahanui        what's up, arunkumars3189
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:49 alex_a         bonjour
07:50 marcelr        hi #koha
07:54 * magnuse      waves
08:20 nlegrand       Hey #koha o/
08:20 cait           good morning #koha
08:25 gaetan_B       hello
08:37 cait           hi gaetan_B
08:37 cait           :)
08:42 * magnuse      waves again
08:43 cait           morning magnuse
08:44 magnuse        hiya cait
08:44 magnuse        back at work?
09:13 cait           yep
09:13 cait           reading a gazillion mails
09:13 cait           well sorting and deleting most of it first
09:28 magnuse        good plan :-)
11:10 ashimema       mornin' #koha
11:29 ashimema       anyone here using Koha::Contrib::tamil indexer?
11:29 ashimema       I'm wondering what it adds to the game now that bug 6435 has been pushed?
11:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, dpk, Pushed to Stable , [ENH] Added daemon mode parameters to rebuild_zebra.pl
12:51 tcohen         morning #koha
12:57 cait           ashimema + tcohen = ping!
13:00 tcohen         hi ashimema
13:11 francharb      good morning #koha
13:11 tcohen         hi francharb
13:29 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:29 cait           hi oleonard :)
13:30 tcohen         hi oleonard
13:31 jenkins_koha   Starting build #145 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:59 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.12.x build #145: UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/145/
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Update history.txt for Koha 3.14.0 release
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 11307: Fix potential XSS attack in public catalog RSS feed
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: Cleaning up docs/history.txt
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10809: use branches template plugin in serials search
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11245: fix typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Colin Campbell: Bug 10996: Allow numeric subfields to be stripped on export
13:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11307 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Potential XSS attack vector in opac rss feed
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11061: remove unused routine Koha::Calendar::_mock_init
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11146: Show a go back link on no permission page
13:59 jenkins_koha   * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7491: improve description of the item-level_itypes syspref
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , use template branches plugin in serials search
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10996 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Cannot exclude numeric subfields on export
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11061 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Calendar::_mock_init is unused
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11146 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Show a go back link on no permission page
14:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7491 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Description for item-level_itypes is misleading
14:00 * Oak          waves
14:10 magnuse        Oak
14:11 Oak            magnuse
14:11 Oak            \o/
14:11 oleonard       A giant magnuse? Impossible? http://scifi-covers.com/post/69185205760/magnus-robot-fighter-21-space-specter
14:11 magnuse        \o/
14:12 magnuse        yeah, fighting robots is something i have taken a liking to doing in my spare time lately...
14:12 * magnuse      waves to talljoy
14:12 talljoy        hi magnuse!
14:13 * oleonard     hands magnuse a robots.txt
14:13 Oak            funny
14:13 magnuse        lol, clever!
14:13 Oak            :)
14:14 magnuse        (and by lol, i mean i *actually* laughed out loud :-)
14:14 oleonard       I learned that one from the surprise ending of "Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla"
14:19 ashimema       hi tcohen.. i'm back now.
14:22 tcohen         hi ashimema
14:22 ashimema       tcohen, I wondered if you could give me a brief rundown of what the tamil indexer does as a comparison to rebuild_zebra.pl (with deamon mode and locking)?  I'd like to get bug 8773 checked off and am wondering about the coice of tmil vs native koha ;)
14:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:28 tcohen         tamil's indexer is a collection of tools, plus the indexer. They are OO and nice. I don't like that it is outside the codebase
14:28 tcohen         of the community's repo
14:29 tcohen         bug 5166 proposed to refactor rebuild_zebra.pl as a library and a daemon script
14:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED WONTFIX, Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib
14:29 tcohen         (i don't like having rebuild_zebra.pl getting bigger and bigger)
14:30 tcohen         bug 8773 specifically implements a straightforward to use any indexer script on a pre-instance basis
14:30 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
14:30 tcohen         s/pre/per/
14:31 tcohen         what it does already exists on the 3.12 onwards codebase as koha-index-daemon-ctl.sh
14:31 tcohen         this is just the packages counterpart
14:32 ashimema       yeah, it would be nice to factor out rebuild into a library..
14:32 ashimema       I see..
14:33 ashimema       So, theoretically it shoudl work with either Tamil or the Deamon mode of rebuild_zebra depending upon the config
14:33 ashimema       I'm still reaing through the comment history of the bug.. it's huge
14:33 tcohen         yes, /etc/default/koha-common would be the place to set it
14:34 tcohen         oh, I recall Tamil's indexer depended on Moose, which put it on hold in some people's minds
14:34 ashimema       cheers tcohen.. I'll take a look at it shortly..
14:34 ashimema       I suppose I should really get my head around the Tamil indexer at some point too as to make an informed decision on wether to stick to koha's internal script of use theirs
14:35 tcohen         even thou I maintain our own packages set for 3.12.x at UNC, including 8773 patches
14:36 tcohen         I stopped using the indexer daemon until I figure out why it is failing for authorities (DOM)
14:37 tcohen         by the way, we used 5166's daemon in production for a couple of years until I realized it wouldn't get into Koha, and took me too much effort to rebase against every rebuild_zebra.pl refactoring/modification
14:37 ashimema       ack..
14:38 ashimema       so there's three disperate efforts to do the same things.. doug's recent work on rebuild_zebra.pl directly, your factoring out as a library, and tamils work external to koha altogether.. what a mess
14:38 ashimema       thanks for clearing up the history
14:48 jcamins        For future reference, if anyone decides to sew a pamphlet made of paper in octavo, punching holes for the sewing is much easier after opening the pages.
14:51 jenkins_koha   Starting build #423 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:51 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_Docs build #423: SUCCESS in 22 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/423/
14:51 jenkins_koha   Nicole C. Engard: add info about  OVERRIDE_SYSPREF
14:59 Oak            jcamins++
15:04 ashimema       OK tcohen, now I've caught up on the back story, I'll go ahead and QA it.  Thanks for all the background.
15:19 rambutan       @wunder 64507
15:19 huginn         rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -4.5°C (9:19 AM CST on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
15:26 ashimema       @wunder stevenage, uk
15:26 huginn         ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 10.6°C (3:21 PM GMT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
15:26 Oak            @wunder islamabad
15:26 huginn         Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad Airport, Pakistan is 15.0°C (8:00 PM PKT on December 16, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa.
15:34 rambutan       hey Oak, how are you?
15:43 Oak            hello rambutan, i'm good, how are you?
15:43 rambutan       good, good
15:47 rambutan       [off]Marshall Breeding has an article in the current issue of Computers in Libraries
15:48 rambutan       [off]token nod to open source ILSs, but ,,,,well... I better stop there
15:51 druthb         [off] Marshall has never really been all that warm to the notion of FOSS generally.
15:52 gmcharlt       not particularly, no
15:57 cait           [off] no matter the facts...
15:58 rambutan       [off]no advertising revenue in articles about open-source
15:59 druthb         [off] having met him in person at my last SirsiDynix conference, I can say, with some confidence, that he is a self-made man who is in love with his creator.  How he struck me, anyway.
15:59 rambutan       [off]I always suspected the same about Stephen Abram, mostly I used to enjoy reading his articles and blog
16:01 rambutan       [off]actually I like listening to Marshall speak (yea, so he's a bit dry), I do actually get into his statistics and follow his train of thought
16:01 druthb         [off] Stephen knows he has groupies, yes, but he's a genuinely nice guy in person.  Last time I saw him, it'd been a couple of years—since before transition, in fact—and he knew me instantly, was warmly complimentary and told me he'd been watching my process on Facebook.
16:02 rambutan       [off]yes, agree completely about that personal evaluation of Stephen. His is a nice guy and good speaker, but it seems he moderates talks
16:02 rambutan       [off]as much as talking himself
16:03 druthb         [off]when he was shilling for SD, it was kind of obvious he'd sold his soul to the devil; I actually said so, to his face.  Told him when he was doing his brilliant research and stuff on the future, it was cool, but leave the peddling to the peddlers.
16:04 * druthb       waves to mtompset
16:04 rambutan       well :)
16:04 mtompset       greetings, #koha.
16:04 rambutan       greetings naman
16:04 mtompset       Greetings, druthb rambutan.
16:06 rambutan       Well, I need to go do my Monday morning walk-around and see what the gremlins did over the weekend
16:08 reiveune       bye
16:23 rambutan       Well, that walk-about cost me $10
16:23 mtompset       @seen paul_p
16:23 huginn         mtompset: paul_p was last seen in #koha 4 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <paul_p> rangi ??? plug ?
16:24 paul_p         mtompset yes ?
16:25 mtompset       I'm in the midst of commenting on your reply to the file upload bug.
16:26 mtompset       The dangling URLs and non-file-upload URLs (what I called external) don't quite handle smoothly.
16:27 mtompset       It's not about URL validity, but rather is the URL a file-uploa URL.
16:28 mtompset       (don't jump to the delete screen if it is a non-file-upload URL)
16:29 mtompset       (don't jump to the delete screen if the file-upload URL is dangling)
16:29 mtompset       Greetings, Oak.
17:00 oleonard       Oi. Meetings. :P
17:02 rambutan       but oh, the coffee, juice, bagles with cream cheese and muffins make meetings so worth it
17:03 oleonard       Yeah, *if* it comes with coffee juice bagels with cream cheese muffins.
17:03 rambutan       ? don't all meetings have nice amenities?
17:04 tcohen         anyone on wheeze?
17:05 jcamins        oleonard: I went on a no-meeting strike until my boss agreed to have food available.
17:06 oleonard       jcamins: I imagine that wasn't a long drawn-out fight
17:06 jcamins        oleonard: he was surprisingly understanding about the importance of fresh-baked goods.
17:07 oleonard       I think next time I'll have to bring the snacks myself, particularly if it's going to run 3 hours
17:08 mtompset       tcohen: wheezy?
17:08 wahanui        wheezy is testing
17:09 tcohen         i need to confirm instance creation fails because of  wheeze using Apache 2.4
17:09 tcohen         i'm about to write a patch for that
17:09 jcamins        tcohen: cait tried it and had problems.
17:09 cait           tcohen: i have a write up what I did
17:09 cait           tcohen: if you want to compare?
17:10 jcamins        cait: still on vacation?
17:10 cait           nope
17:10 cait           working
17:10 jcamins        I thought you were going to be back at work today.
17:10 cait           and still at work actually... but i almost see the gorund of my inbox now
17:10 tcohen         apache 2.4's a2ensite expect the instance definition files be named .conf
17:10 cait           tcohen: that's only one of the things
17:10 tcohen         the other was permissions?
17:10 jcamins        Oh, right. Someone took kf.
17:10 cait           yeah and a third one
17:10 cait           sec
17:11 tcohen         auth-compat?
17:11 cait           jcamins: salt into my wounds?
17:11 cait           might have done stupid things, but that's my write up
17:11 cait           [off] https://librarygeekgirl.ssl-secured-server.de/wiki/doku.php?id=koha:apache2&s[]=apache
17:11 cait           i think one problem was related to the setup - localhost
17:13 tcohen         ok, i'll post a patch that detects apache 2.4 and appends .conf to the file names
17:14 tcohen         and also might enable access_compat
17:14 tcohen         a2enmod access_compat
17:14 tcohen         is there a bug for this cait?
17:16 cait           tcohen: no i didn't file one - took me a day to figure it out and i was not sure if i really did something that made sense :)
17:16 tcohen         heh
17:16 cait           should we fix the permissions?
17:16 tcohen         i struggled with this when I upgraded my lapotop to 13.10
17:16 cait           same...
17:16 tcohen         access_compat might solve it
17:16 tcohen         downloading an iso to reproduce
17:17 tcohen         I think tweaking the permissions should be done by the user for now
17:17 tcohen         i mean, is an upstream error IMHO
17:17 fredericd      tcohen: Have you seen bug 11081? I've introduced the Tamil indexer into Koha code base
17:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11081 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base
17:17 tcohen         oh, no :-D
17:17 tcohen         didn't notice it before!
17:18 fredericd      I don't think it should be too difficult to sign this patch, since you already how it works...
17:22 tcohen         i'll give it a rige fredericd
17:22 tcohen         ride
17:52 tcohen         hmmmm
18:12 tcohen         @later tell cait bug 11404
18:12 huginn         tcohen: The operation succeeded.
18:19 * cait         waves
18:20 cait           tcohen: your later is abit cryptic
18:21 tcohen_        i created a bug for the Apache 2.4 issue
18:21 tcohen_        just that
18:21 cait           aah :) ok
18:22 tcohen         i don't think my patch is a complete solution, we need changing the docs for 2.4 users
18:23 tcohen         anyway, gotta leave now
18:23 tcohen         bye #koha
18:23 cait           have a nice evening :)
18:30 gaetan_B       bye !
19:23 rangi          morning
19:23 oleonard       Hi rangi
19:23 rambutan       afternoon
19:23 rangi          http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/16/0413225/nz-developers-win-koha-trademark-case
19:24 * rangi        updates his blogpost
19:24 rambutan       ooooh, we got slashdotted. We're up there now, major leagues.
19:30 oleonard       The comments on that post... Yeah.
19:31 rangi          slashdot is not even close to what it used to be
19:31 rambutan       yea, too many other Web2.0 sites
19:33 ibeardslee     so many other sites reguritating content from other sites
19:34 ibeardslee     the worst are the ones that just have the first paragraph or so of an article from another site with a link to it to read more .. and then 'spam' that to social media to get the hits for ad revenue
19:35 rangi          http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/70177473109/if-kohails-could-talk
19:36 rangi          i love workaholics
19:46 jcamins        Windows--
19:47 gmcharlt       I think this is the first time in over six months that I actually looked at a post on Slashdot
19:47 jcamins        gmcharlt: I read headlines.
19:47 jcamins        Occasionally.
19:47 druthb         http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/63070801487/integrating-3rd-party-stuff  <—if I didn't love this job so much, this would be more painful.
19:47 jcamins        I used to read slashdot, and now Chrome autocompletes it.
19:47 gmcharlt       I skim it in my feed reader, but ... wow, most of the posts sound ... young
19:47 druthb         I get the headlines in my RSS feed, and once in a while, I read something.  Rarely the comments.
19:54 rambutan       jcamins: funny
20:05 rangi          yeah its just as well its not like it used to be, cos there is a link to my blog on that story, that would have crippled it in the olden days
20:08 cait           hi rangi
20:09 wizzyrea       the slashdot article, well, comments did teach me one thing that I didn't know and should have.
20:09 wizzyrea       the location of the original Zealand.
20:10 wizzyrea       hm suppose I should be watching for slashdotting on the community site as well
20:10 rangi          heh you really dont have to worry
20:11 wizzyrea       naw, just watching.
20:12 oleonard       wizzyrea: Does koha-community.org use a caching plugin?
20:13 wizzyrea       yea, wp-super-cache
20:13 wizzyrea       whyfor?
20:14 * wizzyrea     decides not to upgrade wp whilst the link is on slashdot front page.
20:14 wizzyrea       in case it goes dumb.
20:15 rambutan       "whilst"? What's become of you wizzyrea?
20:16 wizzyrea       daddy done fell out the deer stand agin.
20:16 wizzyrea       git yer sister, we's goin to dat dere horspital.
20:17 cait           wizzyrea: confused non-native speaker :)
20:17 wizzyrea       :)
20:17 oleonard       wizzyrea: Just curious, since I'm trying to learn more about WP
20:17 wizzyrea       [off] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHMygP3Hd2vb3BOhCyraNXc9DdSZainVQ
20:18 wizzyrea       ^ is for cait
20:21 wizzyrea       so. awful.
20:21 oleonard       "Some fool stole my buggy at the Piggly-Wiggly" Ha!
20:22 wizzyrea       :)
20:23 wizzyrea       now I have lost all sense of what I was doing.
20:28 jcamins        wizzyrea: isn't Zeeland in the Netherlands?
20:28 wizzyrea       yep
20:29 jcamins        Why on earth was that mentioned in Slashdot comments?
20:29 * jcamins      looked and didn't see that post.
20:30 ashimema       fredericd
20:30 wahanui        fredericd is translation manager for 3.8
20:30 wizzyrea       someone asked, sarcastically, and got an honest answer.
20:30 wizzyrea       because sarcasm can't stand on the internet ;)
20:30 ashimema       fredericd: also interested in your tamil work getting into koha.. should be interesting
20:30 jcamins        Alas, where is marcelr when we need him? Now I want to know what "zee" means.
20:30 wizzyrea       probably "sea"
20:31 jcamins        Apparently so.
20:31 wahanui        apparently so is just after fa
20:31 wizzyrea       zee-land = sea-land
20:31 jcamins        Huh, I always thought Zeeland was on the east side of the country.
20:31 jcamins        The fact that it's on the west side of the country makes this *much* clearer.
20:40 cait           @later tell tcohen - looked at the photos - looks like a great party :)
20:40 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
20:40 cait           hi barton
20:43 magnuse        have fun #koha!
20:44 cait           oh and hi kathryn ;)
20:45 kathryn        hiya cait
20:45 cait           :)
20:49 oleonard       A new Koha mailing list? *sigh*
20:50 cait           hm yeah
20:50 cait           i though that too actually
20:50 cait           and another english speaking one as well
20:50 jcamins        Hey, does anyone else recognize the name "Kohana"? I feel like I've heard it before.
20:51 oleonard       Kohana: The Swift PHP Framework
20:51 jcamins        I guess it's a PHP framework, but I feel like I might've heard it in a Koha context.
20:53 oleonard       You guys don't understand, North American Koha users were clogging up the main Koha list with numerous questions specific to North America and it was just too much.
20:53 oleonard       Alternatively: North American Koha users have super-secret stuff to talk about and you have to be North American to understand.
20:55 cait           oh, it's good that you explained that
20:55 cait           :)
20:56 * druthb       waves her snark-o-meter at oleonard, to see if it detects snark coming from him.
20:57 * druthb       bangs her snark-o-meter against the arm of her chair.  "Darn thing's busted."
20:59 druthb         wow, 3PM already.  where has the day gone?
21:00 oleonard       all that snark doesn't detect itself druthb
21:00 * druthb       nods.
21:00 druthb         You may have oversnarked it.
21:00 druthb         broke mah meter.
21:02 gmcharlt       oleonard: the motivation is much more to create a vehicle around which there can be at least the possibility of there being NA Koha conferences
21:04 wizzyrea       (which makes some sense.)
21:05 gmcharlt       if regional conferences make sense anywhere, they presumably make sense for North American too
21:13 nengard        I'm with gmcharlt
21:13 nengard        there is a french users group, why not a north american one
21:14 nengard        lots of open source software apps have multiple local users groups
21:14 wizzyrea       yep, just call it KohaCamp or something
21:14 wizzyrea       not kohacon. :P
21:14 nengard        who's calling it kohacon?
21:14 nengard        what did i mis
21:14 nengard        miss
21:15 rangi          no one is, just preemptive
21:15 nengard        Of course there is only one KohaCon
21:15 nengard        and there is only one Koha
21:15 rambutan       quick, somebody trademark "KohaCon"
21:15 cait           nengard: i tihn local user groups make sense
21:15 cait           just wondering if dividing users up into so many mailing lists will work out
21:15 cait           but we will see:)
21:16 nengard        again - there are other language lists
21:16 nengard        already
21:16 rambutan       someday I'm going to start a list for Koha system admins.
21:16 oleonard       Right, because those folks speak different languages
21:17 nengard        true, but the issues discussed on a North American user's group list would be related to local meetings and developments that maybe libraries in the same country can co-develop etc etc
21:17 nengard        You know me - I'm all about community and pushing everyone to participate in the global lists and chats etc
21:18 nengard        but I also see why smaller local groups might want this kind of thing
21:18 gmcharlt       rambutan: funny you should mention that; there was an abortive effort to do something similar in Evergreen, but it didn't go anywhere
21:18 gmcharlt       in part, because of concerns about splitting the focus of open-ils-dev
21:18 gmcharlt       which led to a /very/ chilly reception of the idea
21:18 rambutan       well, I am serious, BTW, but there clearly isn't enough mass to support it right now
21:19 gmcharlt       and in part, because ultimately there wasn't enough critical mass to push through the objections
21:19 rangi          the proof is in the pudding
21:19 * cait         agrees
21:19 rangi          people use it, and still use the main list, its good
21:19 oleonard       I think creation of a second kind of list should follow on the heels of "Gee, we sure are getting way to many of X kind of messages on the list"
21:19 rangi          no one can predict it
21:20 rambutan       I think that someday there will need to be a chat channel for sysadmins too. I mean, devs are nice to share this channel with occasional...
21:21 * gmcharlt     generally favors the notion that if somebody wants a list, they're free to create it -- so long as the general understanding and expectation is that lists are allowed to and /will/ die after a few months in inactivity
21:21 rambutan       off topic discussion, but I'm sensitive to the need to not distract devs from doing real work
21:22 rangi          talking to your users is real work
21:22 rangi          any dev that thinks it isnt, isnt a very good dev
21:22 rangi          :)
21:22 gmcharlt       and it's not like IRC is like a phone
21:22 rangi          phones--
21:22 gmcharlt       in *principle* a dev can turn it off if they need to concentrate
21:22 gmcharlt       in practice... it does vary a bit ;)
21:23 rambutan       yea, well, nice of you to say so, but when devs are talking about how to implement a bubble-up-and-down sort using javascript, it just doesn't seem....
21:23 nengard        I think that we've gotten too sensitive on issues like this (user groups and such) because of past evils ... it's not all gonna go the way it did in the past
21:23 rambutan       right to break in with a question about how to integrate a children's playstation with koha
21:24 rangi          ahh, it's totally right to do that, as long as you dont specifically address one
21:24 rangi          thats like us all in a room having 2 discussions
21:24 rangi          thats fine
21:24 gmcharlt       if we had rather more people actively talking, I definitely could see more reason to split channels
21:24 rangi          its when you walk over and yell at me
21:24 jcamins        I can see value in an additional mailing list for people who want something more like #koha in terms of "I'm doing something nuts and I want some feedback on it" without getting a "PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM THIS STUPID LIST YOU GUYS WRITE TOO MUCH" in response.
21:24 gmcharlt       but ... we're not /that/ chatty IMO
21:24 rangi          that that is bad
21:25 jcamins        gmcharlt: except on baking day. Should there be a #koha-cooking channel? ;)
21:25 rangi          heh
21:25 druthb         koha-cooking++
21:25 gmcharlt       jcamins: that sounds positively torturous
21:25 gmcharlt       all of those /promises/ of delcious food
21:25 cait           mmh cookies!
21:25 gmcharlt       but nothing in real life
21:25 gmcharlt       ;)
21:25 jcamins        I've started deliving holiday cookies to the building staff.
21:26 cait           maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :)
21:26 gmcharlt       @quote add <cait> maybe we should keep #koha for the cookies, and split off a dev chat :)
21:26 huginn         gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #285 added.
21:26 cait           heh
21:26 jcamins        gmcharlt: so there are cookies in real life for some people, at least!
21:26 jcamins        This is what you get for moving to Seattle instead of NYC.
21:27 gmcharlt       jcamins: indeed; downside to every decision
22:01 rangi          http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18704
23:04 cait           @later tell khall_away could you take a nother look at 11336? waiting to do QA there when the follow up is agreed on :)
23:04 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
23:04 cait           @later tell khall - could you take a nother look at 11336? waiting to do QA there when the follow up is agreed on
23:04 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
23:04 * dcook        waves so that cait can go to bed :p
23:04 cait           oh an di forgot to ask you about monday this morning
23:04 cait           what would you have told me?
23:05 dcook          Hmm, that's a good question
23:05 dcook          It started out rainy but got warm
23:05 dcook          I bought some new boots
23:05 * dcook        doesn't really recall much other than that
23:05 dcook          Mangos are delicious especially with ice cream?
23:05 cait           lol
23:05 cait           not with icecream?
23:05 cait           well mango icecream is delicious
23:05 dcook          Also delicious
23:06 cait           oh misread :)
23:06 dcook          [off] Also, if you complain to a book vendor, they respond with an email telling you that your books were shipped a week ago
23:07 cait           hm
23:07 cait           i iddn't do that
23:08 cait           but other weird things happened...
23:08 cait           keep an eye on tuesday for me ok?
23:08 cait           btw - eythian - today we had white fog all day, you might have got lost :)
23:08 dcook          Can do ;)