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01:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7675ede590936b7f32c665c3d597a9f34122f8ae> / Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e1b781adc253722209e46385fb3248ae8d668f9>
01:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #258 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #1543 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=03f342aa67034a56876b9b45545c607b961587b7>
02:17 wizzyrea hm question, I have a library who wants the 245c to show in the xslt - I'm afraid it might be controversial - if it is controversial, why is it?
02:18 wizzyrea (in the opac, I should say
02:18 wizzyrea like bug 9490, I think)
02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9490 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, In Discussion , Show responsibility statement (245c) under title and move authors down in OPAC XSLT
02:19 wizzyrea it is included in the staff client xslt
02:24 * dcook hasn't taken a look recently
02:26 mtj anyone know where a log file might be - for a failed 'dpkg -i ./koha-xxx.deb' ?
02:26 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #258: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/258/
02:27 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations
02:27 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility
02:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , members-home.pl displays badly if using non english templates and have a utf8 char in categorycode description
02:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #259 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #259: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/259/
03:25 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately
03:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , QueryParser doesn't recognize QP queries when used in a fielded search box
03:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1543: SUCCESS in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1543/
03:43 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 11290: fix display of patron home page for certain translations
03:43 jenkins_koha * Srdjan: bug_10781: Remove C4::ILSDI::Utility
03:43 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10688: Don't prefix index inappropriately
03:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11290 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , members-home.pl displays badly if using non english templates and have a utf8 char in categorycode description
03:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10688 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , QueryParser doesn't recognize QP queries when used in a fielded search box
03:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b28a5d8ad381bbe5b3edce994e0d45ee96f920>
03:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #260 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:52 jenkins_koha Starting build #1544 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:53 BobB At Administration/Koha to Marc Mapping, does anyone know why biblioitems.publicationyear is not mapped to 260$c ?
03:55 BobB ah, ok, I can answer my own question: biblio.copyrightdate is mapped to 260$c
03:56 BobB thanks BobB
03:56 BobB you're welcome :)
03:59 bag HA
03:59 joels68 BobB: you're always the master of politeness and diplomacy.:)
04:02 BobB joels68, I try
04:04 joels681 Bears 42 points!??!
04:06 joels681 @wunder Chicago IL
04:06 huginn joels681: The current temperature in West Loop - Old St. Pats, Chicago, Illinois is -13.8°C (10:05 PM CST on December 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
04:10 joels681 >:o
04:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcaa3ff70489adeedb8a7aead364203d633580bc>
04:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca29e0658c469abff1e54e8630fb989757d02f71> / Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=857547c992ea2b548712583d09602eda3787556c>
04:41 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #260: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/260/
04:41 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form
04:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8683 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Acq: Clear button doesn't clear all item fields
04:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=62fcbea10a0e7b3fbca74531ec5051704ab63f7c> / Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4290fa60ef0fd93f1c0b51485f3b3ec74f316043>
04:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #261 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:47 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:48 * mtompset grumbles about testing continuing to find one tiny thread of things to tweak.
04:48 mtompset Well, it will be done soon.
05:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e0e15485ecae556b77037443af1077291fe3673>
05:39 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #261: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/261/
05:39 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms
05:39 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections
05:39 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl
05:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC)
05:39 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET)
05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Mandatory item fields should be formatted the same on all forms
05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus search form does not correspond to current search query
05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10605 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with translated cart email sent
05:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #262 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:46 BobB @wunder Sydney Australia
05:46 huginn BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 29.0°C (4:30 PM EST on December 10, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
06:07 * dcook looks outside
06:08 dcook But I'm already sunburnt..
06:08 dcook Next time I see an Aussie putting on sunscreen, I'll know to do the same...
06:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1544: SUCCESS in 2 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1544/
06:10 jenkins_koha Jonathan Druart: Bug 8683: ensure clear button clears all item fields on order form
06:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8683 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Acq: Clear button doesn't clear all item fields
06:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #1545 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #262: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/262/
06:36 jenkins_koha Colin Campbell: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio
06:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Validate passed records in Biblio.pm
06:40 rangi what the heck is a clearance certificate
06:43 dcook Clearance certificate?
06:55 rangi on the main mailing list
06:59 dcook Ah, I'll have to take a look tomorrow
06:59 dcook I'll share your bafflement(?) tomorrow
07:00 rangi :)
07:12 dcook I'm late for French speaking though
07:12 dcook Ta
07:13 mtompset perhaps he means library cards? They expire, right?
07:18 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
07:37 reiveune hello
08:01 alex_a bonjour
08:10 rangi evening all, does anyone have a second to test something for me?
08:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1545: SUCCESS in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1545/
08:17 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10661: format mandatory item fields the same on all forms
08:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: make authority search form retain drop-down selections
08:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10808: (follow-up) reformat auth_finder.pl
08:17 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue in basket email (OPAC)
08:17 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10605: fix encoding issue on basket email (INTRANET)
08:17 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 11032: Check a valid MARC::Record passed to Biblio
08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10661 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Mandatory item fields should be formatted the same on all forms
08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus search form does not correspond to current search query
08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10605 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Problems with translated cart email sent
08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Validate passed records in Biblio.pm
08:40 gaetan_B hello
08:42 rangi hi gaetan_B
08:42 gaetan_B hi rangi
08:51 mtj evening all
08:51 mtj rangi, did you get your thing tested?
09:06 rangi nope
09:06 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/taskboard#
09:07 rangi if you load that, then tell me, then ill try to toggle the top left one, and it should change on yours too
09:20 mtj rangi, oops, back now...
09:20 cait i clicked on something
09:20 cait was that bad? :)
09:21 mtj hokay, toggle away.. :)
09:21 * cait clicked 10212
09:21 mtj top-left is 8428, for me
09:21 mtj 8438*
09:22 rangi keep watching
09:23 rangi it should toggle
09:23 rangi if that works, now i just need to get it working so you can switch it back off
09:26 mtj yep, worky worky :)
09:27 * mtj just got back from the perlmonger's meet-up...
09:27 mtj got there a bit late
09:29 * mtj waves to gaetan_B and cait
09:30 mtj rangi, toggling looks to be working well
09:35 rangi cool, right going to sleep, ill do the toggle off tomorrow night
09:36 rangi (they time out after a day)
09:38 mtj peace out
09:49 cait and i have to help my dad with ebay... bbl
09:59 kivilahtio has there been any discussion about Koha nd MariaDB?
10:11 mtj kivilahtio, yes - and all positive, afaik :)
10:12 mtj some people switched a while ago to maria, for koha development
10:13 kivilahtio mtj: We have some partners in Mikkeli, looking into Koha as well. They are MAriDB fans
10:14 kivilahtio mtj: So using MariaDB is a no-brainer in Koha, just install MariaDB and configure Koha tu use it as its datasource?
10:14 kivilahtio mtj: backwards compatible and all
10:16 kivilahtio mtj: ping ping!
10:19 mtj yeah, fwiw - i've been using it for production on a small low-use koha, with no problem
10:19 mtj s
10:20 kivilahtio thanks, I'll forward your greetings to Mikkeli Archives :)
10:20 mtj …for 12/18 months
10:20 kivilahtio mtj: So why is MAriaDB better?
10:20 kivilahtio or is the preference strictly political?
10:21 cait kivilahtio: you have to make sure to set some switch i think
10:21 mtj both are valid
10:21 cait so it can deal with our mysqlisms
10:21 cait one of the jenkins servers runs the tests on a mariadb
10:22 cait look for a bug with mariadb in bugzilla - there has been some discussion on it
10:23 kivilahtio cait: thanks
10:24 cait kivilahtio: seeing the bugs about the label printing - yes, there are lots of trnaslations issues there :( would be good to see those fixed
10:24 cait the oo programming style of those files always confusedme
10:25 mtj kivilahtio, i dont really know of any technical advantages of maria, over mysql
10:26 mtj ..re: speed or stability
10:26 kivilahtio it seems to have a pretty cool monitoring suite
10:28 kivilahtio or is it the enterprise maria
10:28 mtj …but, most people realize that any project that depends on mysql, is not very well 'future proofed' :/
10:29 mtj so, better to start testing with maria now, rather than later
10:29 kivilahtio :)
10:31 kivilahtio I have a feeling that we are just going to take the shortest route to production. We have taken a long enough detour
10:36 cait I think the problem was that it's not sure how long major linux distributions will keep supporting mysql... so having mariadb as a quick replacement option is a good thing
10:38 kivilahtio cait: I understand, we simply cant take up any more work
10:38 cait yeah i think you don't have to immediately
10:39 cait we are running ours on mysql too
10:39 kivilahtio but I gotta go have some lunch, and swim before that!
10:40 kivilahtio we also have a lecture regarding copyrights in libraries
10:40 kivilahtio take care!
10:46 mtj oooh, that sounds interesting ^^
10:56 paxed cait: it seems to be there are some other places where a text string comes from perl code, and i'm guessing those aren't translatable either. but i'm not going to report until i'm sure (seen it with my own eyes it actually shows up on the UI)
10:56 cait paxed: i thnk nowadays it's mostly the label printing code
10:56 cait but there might be some hiding elsewhere
10:56 cait lots got fixed
10:56 cait and it's easier since the switch to TT than it was with HTP
10:56 cait but yes, everything from the perl code is not translatable
10:56 paxed opac/oai.pl has some, seems like.
10:59 cait yeah might be
10:59 cait rule of thumb: no translatable strings should ever be in perl or js files
11:06 cait never be...
11:11 paxed that would be double negative.
11:21 cait ah
11:21 cait right... i better go :)
11:21 cait hi drojf - bye drojf :)
13:02 francharb good mornig koha
13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:28 tcohen morning
13:28 tcohen hi gmcharlt, do u need me to work on your 11096 comments?
13:28 tcohen (haven't had the time to fully read it)
13:38 PabloAB Hi all!
13:38 PabloAB (Hi Tomás)
13:39 PabloAB This one looks easy... but not for me. I want to connect biblio.frameworkcode to a MARC subfield, 942$f (for 'F'ramework) as suggested on http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/deafult-for-biblio-frameworkcode-td5131463.html, to batch import of bib records setting one by default.
13:40 PabloAB But there is a problem: This field is not an option on huge 900s select menu.
13:40 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:40 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is -3.7°C (8:40 AM EST on December 10, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
13:40 PabloAB Is there a simple solution... or should I touch source code/ sql update...?
13:52 PabloAB I add the subfield to default framework and now I can select it, but don't know why it doesn't apply the change.
14:04 PabloAB Sorry, PEBCAK situaton, but even "That will modify all frameworks which is usually what you need, but you have been warned." this doesn't seem to be true.
14:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:29 mtompset @seen kf
14:29 huginn mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <kf> katrinf looks not right somehow
14:29 mtompset @seen cait
14:29 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <cait> hi drojf - bye drojf :)
14:29 drojf @seen mbalmer
14:29 huginn drojf: mbalmer was last seen in #koha 1 year, 10 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mbalmer> I see it a bit different, obviously.
14:30 oleonard He awaits, unseen, for our inevitable decision to reject MySQL once and for all
14:38 drojf oleonard: you may have missed the pg part in gmcharlts email ^^
14:38 oleonard Oh, did gmcharlt decide that we're removing mysql support?
14:40 * oleonard is still catching up on a week and a half of unread email
14:40 francharb good luck
14:40 francharb ;)
14:41 mtompset oleonard: No, gmcharlt said that we should look into re-engaging with Pg support, given the inclusion of DBIx.
14:41 oleonard That makes sense. But mbalmer didn't want Koha to be DB-agnostic, he wanted it to be Pg-only.
14:42 drojf babysteps :P
14:43 mtompset Ha ha, drojf. :P
14:46 tomas_ hi mtompset
14:46 mtompset Greetings, tomas_ -- tcohen.
14:47 mtompset Given gmcharlt's suggestion of multi-patch bug fixes, kf suggested I split my News by Branch patch.
14:48 jcamins oleonard: I was wondering what you thought of gmcharlt's proposal that we switch to Boostrap 3.
14:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jcamins francharb. :)
14:49 oleonard jcamins: gmcharlt sent me an email directly. Did he also send a proposal to the list?
14:49 francharb 0/ mtompset
14:49 jcamins oleonard: yep.
14:51 oleonard jcamins & gmcharlt, the biggest caveat to upgrading Bootstrap is that it drops support for some older browsers--IE7 I think
14:51 drojf OH NO!
14:52 oleonard We haven't had a real discussion about whether that's acceptable. I think drojf is pretty concerned about it :P
14:52 oleonard I think it is acceptable, FWIW
14:59 druthb o/
15:05 gmcharlt oleonard: ick -- that's a problem
15:06 drojf the future of bootstrap, or the paaast of internet explorer. tough choice. :P
15:06 kivilahtio why are we even mentioning IE7, oh yeah our patrons come from all walks of life
15:06 gmcharlt drojf: more that IE7 is not yet past ;)
15:07 drojf IE7 has been past before it was born :D
15:07 nengard just popping in ... is this something I should put in the manual
15:07 kivilahtio :)
15:07 nengard Bootstrap needs IE8+
15:07 nengard Or Firefox, Chrome, etc etc
15:07 kivilahtio nengard: good idea. You can write with big cat size letters that install Firefox
15:07 nengard :)
15:07 kivilahtio I wish i could do that
15:07 gmcharlt oleonard: I suppose one question is how does lack of support mean for the user -- as it, would it not work at all, look a little bad, or look a lot bad for IE7 users
15:08 kivilahtio I will totally sneak in a script which makes a popup alert for IE-users to upgrade to a REAL browser :)
15:08 oleonard yeah I don't know the answer to that gmcharlt
15:08 kivilahtio gmcharlt: I think this is a pretty good point
15:08 kivilahtio gmcharlt: I feel like lower service quality is totally acceptable for IE
15:09 kivilahtio gmcharlt: We all would rather do some usefull stuff than work cross-browser issues
15:09 gmcharlt nengard: I think, but please correct me if I'm wrong, that the current version of Boostrap is compatible with IE7, it's the newever version that isn'st
15:09 drojf if it is the current version... we have already solved the problem *hides*
15:10 gmcharlt kivilahtio: I've got to push back on that a bit -- supporting patrons who for whatever reason are stuck with older browsers is not useful at all? I personally wouldn't go that far, at least for the public catalog
15:10 gmcharlt staff interface is different, of coruse
15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: well I mean we could let it slip a bit. Ofc basic functionality needs to work
15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: But if we get sharp corners or some visual artefacts, I wouldn't be too worried about those
15:13 kivilahtio gmcharlt: on older IE-browsers
15:14 gmcharlt sharp corners? NOOOO!
15:14 gmcharlt :)
15:14 gmcharlt yeah, I agree that it doesn't have to be pixel-perfect across all browsers
15:14 kivilahtio Jquery deals with most js issues for us anyway
15:14 * oleonard had a buddy in 'nam who cut himself on a sharp corner in IE7 and bled out
15:14 kivilahtio :D
15:15 gmcharlt oleonard++
15:16 kivilahtio but this is for the core service. I already know what sales popup I am going to introduce to our users "Dear patrons, esteemed library users, we live to serve you but today we have a special request for you..."
15:16 oleonard Were there objections to the Bengal Library Association request for listing as a support provider?
15:17 * oleonard doesn't know how long it usually takes to get things on the site
15:17 kivilahtio oleonard: Do we have some requirements for being listed as a support provider=
15:17 gmcharlt kivilahtio: yes
15:17 gmcharlt oleonard: not to my knowledge
15:17 oleonard http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/how-to-get-listed/
15:18 kivilahtio quite a furnace to go through
15:28 ebegin kivilahtio, you don't have to do it, but you won't be listed :)
15:29 kivilahtio ebegin: I surrender
15:30 ebegin brb
15:31 gmcharlt tcohen: to answer your question, yes
15:31 tcohen heh, i don't remember my words
15:32 tcohen heh
15:32 tcohen sorry, different workstation
15:32 tcohen irc logs?
15:32 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
15:32 tcohen ok gmcharlt!
15:32 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:34 kivilahtio browser.js uses a minified jquery.cookie.js jquery.cookie.min.js
15:34 kivilahtio problematic
15:34 wahanui hmmm... problematic is being generous.
15:35 oleonard browser.js?
15:35 kivilahtio intranet-tmpl/js/browser.js
15:35 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll try to understand the test cases
15:36 kivilahtio oleonard: I am trying to catch all cookies the browser.js creates when a librarian makes a new search, because they overflow our apache http-request header
15:36 gmcharlt tcohen: the basic idea is to add a MARCXML test record that would be larger than the ISO2709 limit, then in both GRS-1 and DOM modes, just try to retrieve it
15:36 kivilahtio we talked yesterday with jcamins that I could keep only, say 10 searchCookie in browser memory to prevent this
15:37 kivilahtio oleonard: Looks like $.cookie() doesnt return all cookies like it should according to the api, now I realized Koha uses the minified version and am about to test if it is the culprit
15:37 gmcharlt kivilahtio: there is a failed QA patch to store search history in the session rather than in a cookie; if you want to work on improving the patch (mostly by adjusting unit tests related to it), that would be one approach
15:37 jcamins gmcharlt: that's something else.
15:37 jcamins This is the client-side cursor.
15:37 kivilahtio gmcharlt: that patch is for the search histroy for the OPAC
15:37 kivilahtio yup
15:37 gmcharlt jcamins: kivilahtio: ah, thanks for clarifying
15:38 gmcharlt (and dang, here I was hoping to talk kivilahtio into look at that one!) ;)
15:38 jcamins kivilahtio: I don't see any reason you couldn't use the regular cookie API. The only reason I used jquery.cookie was that we already did.
15:41 kivilahtio jcamins: there is a regular cookie api?
15:43 kivilahtio jcamins: What do you mean with regular cookie API, I understood jQuery core has cookie function?
15:43 kivilahtio jcamins: or jquery.cookie.js plugin against jquery.cookie.min.js?
15:45 gmcharlt @later tell rangi I bounced the dashboard; it had lost its MySQL connection
15:45 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
15:45 jcamins kivilahtio: I mean non-jQuery.
15:45 jcamins I presume there is such a thing.
15:45 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, I saw some code and it looks non-crossbrowser compatible
15:45 kivilahtio javascript without jQuery makes me cry
15:45 jcamins And for the staff client we're requiring a modern browser, so we probably don't need IE shims, which I presume is the reason for jQuery.
16:00 kivilahtio jcamins: Handling cookies using native cookie tools is pretty awkward. Better way for application developer is to replace the jQuery plugin.
16:01 kivilahtio jcamins: Or do we have wrapper functions for native cookie handling somewhere around Koha?
16:02 kivilahtio I guess I just have to replace jqueru.cookie.min.js with jquery.cookie.js through the Maketoolchain to make the transition?
16:04 kivilahtio MakeMaker, phew, I guess its another thing to learn
16:05 jcamins kivilahtio: I think perhaps the solution would be to fix jQuery.cookie.js and submit the change upstream?
16:05 jcamins Why add complexity?
16:06 kivilahtio jcamins: problem is that currently we use jquery.cookie.min.js, when I need jquery.cookie.js (the full version)
16:07 kivilahtio jcamins: but my error actually is "TypeError: b is undefined" when calling $.cookie();
16:07 jcamins kivilahtio: jquery.cookie.min.js and jquery.cookie.js should behave identically.
16:07 jcamins .min means "minified."
16:08 kivilahtio Ah sans documentation and whitespace
16:08 jcamins Yes.
16:08 kivilahtio hmm, maybe Koha uses a older version
16:08 jcamins If you downloaded a new version and it worked, that means we're probably using an older, buggy version.
16:09 kivilahtio I wonder how do I fix that
16:09 oleonard "we need to issue clearance certificates to the patrons whose batch is going to pass out" ??
16:10 jcamins kivilahtio: update to a newer version?
16:10 kivilahtio jcamins: yes
16:10 kivilahtio I guess it needs to be done for hte Koha master
16:10 kivilahtio or prolly it wont be me who makes the update :)
16:11 drojf oleonard: that was my reaction
16:12 kivilahtio wow we are using v.1.4.0 where newest is 2.2
16:12 oleonard No wonder those cookies taste so bad
16:12 drojf lol
16:14 reiveune bye
16:19 oleonard [off] Breaking news: People who like running old versions of Koha object to Koha telling them they're running old versions
16:19 kivilahtio :)
16:19 kivilahtio IRL=
16:19 kivilahtio IRL?
16:19 wahanui somebody said IRL was calling
16:21 kivilahtio Ok oddly the jquery.cookie.js minification process broke the script-file, when ran using full minification, with normal minification I now have a working plugin-file. But the version from the official site is the same as we currently use.
16:21 barton oleonard: "we need to issue clearance certificates to the patrons who are going to pass out".
16:22 oleonard No fainting in the library without expressed permission of the administration
16:42 kivilahtio So who is responsible for updating the jquery.cookis.js -plugin? Can I update it inside the git patch? or is there a more centralized way of doing these updates? The plugin needs to be updated, but it breaks the existing search"cursor"-functionality, until a patch can be applied
16:43 oleonard If you want it to be updated you submit a patch which updates it
16:44 kivilahtio thanks!
16:44 mtompset barton: oleonard: -- As I guessed last night, I think the person means expiring patron cards.
16:44 jcamins And the second patch in your patchset should fix existing functionality.
16:44 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, will do!
16:46 KohaCanuck Hi all - I have what I think may be a common issue but I can't seem to fix it - I copied a Koha system over from a production environment to a test server and the catalog search returns no results found. I have rebuilt the indexes with rebuild_zebra.pl script to no avail - are there any logs or command line tools to help diagnose where the issue may be?
16:47 jcamins KohaCanuck: dollars to donuts it's a permissions problem.
16:47 jcamins faq?
16:47 wahanui faq is, like, found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:47 jcamins searching faq?
16:47 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:47 jcamins Huh. No direct link.
16:47 jcamins The last question has the troubleshooting steps.
16:48 KohaCanuck I've checked the faq and ran the zebra_rebuild.pl stuff but no errors and no fix - I'm guessing permissions too but cant seem to find info on quickly checking/setting these
16:49 jcamins Okay, good, that's always the first stop.
16:49 jcamins You're using packages, right?
16:50 KohaCanuck yep - on debian
16:50 KohaCanuck used the koha-dump/koha-restore to move the db
16:50 jcamins When you used rebuild_zebra.pl it would have changed the owner to root or your current user.
16:52 jcamins `sudo chown -R koha_${yourinstancename}:koha_${yourinstancename} /var/lib/koha/${yourinstancename}` followed by `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f ${yourinstancename}` and finally `sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart`
16:52 jcamins Wait, no.
16:52 jcamins ${yourinstancename}-koha
16:52 jcamins Sorry, I always get that mixed up.
16:55 KohaCanuck At one point I ran the rebuild as root but reverted back to the koha user - it originally had an issue with perms on the conf.xml file which I fixed not I get no errors and it counts the correct number of records during rebuild
16:55 jcamins Yeah, the problem is that Zebra's not able to read your indexes.
16:56 jcamins Most likely.
16:56 jcamins Not guaranteed, but that's what usually happens.
16:56 KohaCanuck where do they live typically?
16:56 jcamins /var/lib/koha/${yourinstancename}
16:56 jcamins Those commands up there were for you. Sorry. Should have said that.
16:57 KohaCanuck I'll take a look some more and may be back shortly - many thanks :)
17:06 kivilahtio wow, informative :)
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18:19 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add z targets
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18:24 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add z targets
18:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aca1f5f6a9c5fb58e62ab060c272eadc287bb167> / Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08c47cbfe2517ef36b15a16a94227b854be5eeb9> / Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a98b23
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19:10 tcohen hi rangi
19:13 jcamins Speaking from my experience as RM once, rangi is absolutely right.
19:14 tcohen bye #koah
19:14 tcohen #koha
19:17 rangi morning
19:18 rangi gmcharlt: thanks .. hmm yeah ive borked something there
19:21 * cait waves
19:21 druthb hi, cait!
19:21 cait hi druthb :)
19:22 rangi hi cait
19:22 cait hi rangi :)
19:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #263: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/263/
19:24 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching
19:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday()
19:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME
19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11112 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Koha::Calendar->new loads all holidays
19:45 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/taskboard#
19:46 rangi do you think i should make it so you can put a little name or something? ie who claimed it?
19:47 gmcharlt rangi: separate from one's BZ login?
19:47 rangi yeah
19:47 gmcharlt and does a claim update anything in BZ, or are claims only known to the taskboard?
19:48 rangi only known to the taskboard
19:48 rangi (only known to a little sqlite db in the back :))
19:48 rangi cos yeah, i didnt want to have to do logins
19:49 cait i think if you could add a quick note / nick it would be a nice feature
19:49 rangi probably a way to get to the bug too :)
19:49 cait ah no link yet?
19:49 gmcharlt heh
19:49 cait and hello :)
19:49 oleonard Looks great rangi
19:50 oleonard How is it sorted?
19:50 cait yep it does :)
19:50 rangi date
19:50 rangi oldest first
19:51 francharb rangi++
19:52 oleonard I don't understand how it works though. What should happen when I click something?
19:52 francharb rangi, I like your strategy. Once you claimed a BZ, one cant unclaimed it
19:52 francharb perfect
19:52 francharb ;)
19:52 rangi it times out ;)
19:52 rangi but yeah i need an unclaim too
19:53 rangi oleonard: basically it should be marked claimed, with the time you claimed it, which lets me/others know (the taskboard updates every 10 seconds)
19:53 rangi to pick another one to sign off
19:56 rangi i dunno if its even a good idea, but figured it would help me on GBSD type things
19:57 rangi i could make the link claim it, then open the bug in new tab
19:57 rangi would that be more useful?
19:57 gmcharlt rangi: GBSD and hackfests are the main uses I see for at the moment without deeper integration with BZ
19:57 rangi *nod*
19:59 gaetan_B bye!*
20:00 cait rangi - sounds good to me
20:00 cait unclaiming would be good, when you see you don't know what to do with something
20:00 cait like it requires something you don't know about
20:04 rangi yeah
20:04 rangi ill work on that tonight, if i get time
20:06 * cait hopes she makes sense
20:06 cait and also rangi++
20:09 rangi right, zeroed the taskboard for now
20:09 rangi gonna spend 20 mins on the karma thing, and then back to work on elasticsearch
20:10 oleonard rangi++
20:19 bag rangi: I forget did you say that the taskboard is repeatable for QA's and then one for the RM too?
20:20 bag but it's pretty cool - should be very helpful
20:20 rangi it will be, not yet
20:21 rangi the qa one will be show who signed off, and who wrote patch
20:21 rangi so that you can see at a glance oh i can qa that
20:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d92dbae6814fd2dfc36f7f46194f02a9c27994fa> / Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2ad1faa63988b9dbf32cf8f8e35d59e7b584f2b>
20:30 oleonard Got IE7 up and running in a VM, and getboostrap.com looks horrible in it. They're not kidding when they say IE7 is not supported.
20:30 rangi xp is EOL
20:30 rangi in i think march
20:31 rambutan april
20:31 rangi http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx
20:31 rangi i saw, if they arent gonna support IE7
20:31 rangi we dont need to
20:31 rangi say even
20:32 wizzyrea i have to agree here
20:32 wizzyrea xp is EOL
20:33 wizzyrea any changes we make to bootstrap won't be out before xp goes EOL - websites breaking is a good motivator for people to gtfo of XP
20:33 oleonard It actually looks fine in FF 3.6.x
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20:34 oleonard Feel free to share your opinions in the email thread where I invite people to share their opinions ;)
20:34 gmcharlt oleonard: modern IE with browser mode set to IE7 and documents mode set to IE7 standards looks aweful as well
20:34 gmcharlt er,
20:34 gmcharlt awful
20:34 wizzyrea awefully awful.
20:34 rangi i feel like ive been sharing too many opinions lately :) ill let someone else do it
20:35 * wizzyrea is actually more concerned with IE8 - but I think it said graceful degrade for that
20:35 oleonard My library's web site also looks awful in IE7 but I haven't gotten any complaints about it
20:35 wizzyrea i'll have to look again.
20:36 wizzyrea ie7 is what, 9 years old?
20:36 gmcharlt 3.33% for November according to w3counter
20:37 * wizzyrea whispers "give it the axe..."
20:37 gmcharlt and FF 3 doesn't make the top 10
20:37 wizzyrea i can't wait until xp is EOL and properly (mostly) gone.
20:38 gmcharlt for windows, though, it was pretty reasonable
20:38 wizzyrea ssl will work nicely for named hosts, ie7 will be officially gone, ie8 in it's death throes
20:38 wizzyrea xp was ok back in the day.
20:38 gmcharlt yeah, SNI is a biggie
20:38 wizzyrea big improvement over 98
20:40 oleonard 82 visits to our site last month from IE7, out of 13,945 total.
20:40 oleonard We got twice as many from "Amazon Silk" :)
20:40 wizzyrea O.o
20:42 gmcharlt heh
20:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1546: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1546/
20:42 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11112: Koha::Calendar needs some caching
20:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) repair Koha::Calendar->add_holiday()
20:42 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11112: (follow-up) add FIXME
20:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11112 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Koha::Calendar->new loads all holidays
20:44 oleonard We got almost as many visits from this device as we did from IE7: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3723&c=pantech_marauder_adr910l_pantech_star_q
20:45 oleonard The list of mobile devices Google Analytics recorded for the past month is pretty mind-boggling
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21:00 cait that's still more than i woudl have expected
21:04 wizzyrea i personally feel it's irresponsible to support IE7 for passing any kind of personal data around.
21:06 jcamins I guess the counter-argument is "but given that libraries aren't going to be a deciding factor in a person's computer use, do we really want to disenfranchise those who can't afford to upgrade their computer?
21:06 jcamins *"
21:06 jcamins That said, I am at best indifferent to support IE7.
21:06 jcamins *for
21:07 jcamins I thought Boostrap 3 was dropping support for IE8, which I still see used.
21:07 wizzyrea i counter that people who use IE7 already see an impossibly broken web.
21:08 gmcharlt jcamins: looks like IE8 is still supported provided that Respond.js (https://github.com/scottjehl/Respond) is used as well
21:08 rambutan anybody have a good bs demo site up anywhere? I'd like to check some of the other browsers like Konqueror.
21:09 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, during the pre-3 ramp-up, they were saying it wouldn't be.
21:09 wizzyrea responsive.mykoha.co.nz
21:11 rambutan looks fine in Konqueror 4.7.2, as I would expect really.
21:12 rambutan I'll see what happens with Tor tonight at home.
21:19 eythian hi
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21:22 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron
21:22 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise
21:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11009 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Do not allow reading records of anonymous patron
21:27 rangi i wonder if i should start up my streaming radio thingy again
21:34 rambutan rangi listens to music that isn't classic rock.
21:36 rangi it's true
21:36 wahanui I saw it on Digg!
21:36 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#!/ranginui/broadcast
21:38 eythian http://youtu.be/PaEnaoydUUo <-- it's really just this on a loop
21:39 wizzyrea yay radio!
21:40 eythian http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/print-emails-showing-names-on-the-bcc-line-HA102919777.aspx <-- best advice ever
21:41 * cait can't listen to grooveshark - not working from germany
21:41 cait :(
21:41 eythian GEMA hates you
21:43 cait hmpf.
21:43 eythian it's not personal, they hate everyone.
21:44 cait probably
22:02 francharb I'm looking for a library that use book drops
22:03 francharb During check ins, if the librarian check "dropbox mode"
22:03 * wizzyrea points towards most publics
22:03 francharb isn't weird
22:04 francharb that the dropbox feature use the current time to set up the return date
22:04 francharb I mean
22:04 francharb f I check now, the return date will be exactly now - 24h
22:05 francharb when the library was actually open...
22:05 francharb I'm not sure if mentionning the hours is relevent
22:05 jcamins francharb: I think there's a bug about making the library actually respect opening hours.
22:06 jcamins calendar, rather.
22:06 wizzyrea the idea of the dropbox is to favor the borrower who might have had a book go overdue, but the book was in the drop box when it went overdue
22:07 rangi khall_away: http://paste.koha-community.org/26
22:07 rangi when you arent away :)
22:07 rangi this is patches in 3.14
22:07 rangi top number is patches, number underneath is sign offs
22:08 gmcharlt rangi: as of when?
22:08 gmcharlt or rather, what range of commits?
22:08 wizzyrea It used to be that it was simply a date back - with time, I think it's a little more wobbly.
22:08 rangi 3.12 .. 3.14
22:09 francharb wizzyrea, exactly
22:09 rangi git log -p -M v3.12.00..v3.14.00
22:09 francharb :)
22:09 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that timey wimey stuff...
22:09 francharb but in the end, the patron in not penalized
22:10 wizzyrea but - I'm not sure that the *time* matters so much?
22:10 francharb so it's ok
22:10 wizzyrea yea, that's what I was about to say
22:10 wizzyrea I suppose it only matters if you REALLY care about the specific time it was returned, but if you're using the dropbox you're not going to know anyway
22:11 wizzyrea unless you've got RFID in your dropbox, in which case you won't be using dropbox mode anyway
22:11 francharb I'm trying hard to figure out if it cound be useful for hourly loan
22:11 francharb but I dont think so
22:12 wizzyrea well you can't do an hourly loan that takes you outside of library hours, right?
22:12 gmcharlt wizzyrea: in theory such a loan could convert to overnight
22:13 gmcharlt or at least, that's within the bounds of library policies I've heard of
22:13 francharb wizzyrea, right
22:13 rangi whoops mistake
22:13 wizzyrea true, I'm not sure it does that
22:13 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/27
22:13 jcamins wizzyrea: you could have a 72 hour loan.
22:13 rangi khall_away: http://paste.koha-community.org/27 is a better one
22:13 wizzyrea why wouldn't you do it by days?
22:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123
22:14 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
22:14 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
22:15 wizzyrea top is sent, bottom is signed off?
22:15 rangi thats right
22:15 wizzyrea cool
22:15 rangi well top is patches included
22:15 rangi sent might be more
22:15 gmcharlt authored
22:15 rangi yeah
22:15 gmcharlt or authored-and-pushed
22:15 rangi authored and pushed
22:16 wizzyrea bottom is signed off and pushed
22:16 wizzyrea got it.
22:16 wizzyrea rangi++ that's really interesting.
22:21 eythian http://tip4commit.com/ <-- we could encourage some commits :)
22:21 mtj awesome stats, rangi++
22:25 francharb have a good morning, day, afternoon, night!
22:25 francharb bye
22:26 * cait thnks someone should sign off her waiting patches... ;)
22:27 wizzyrea <3
22:27 gmcharlt eythian: coding and financial speculation, in one package! ;)
22:27 eythian gmcharlt: exactly :)
22:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #408 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update inventory
22:41 mtompset What is (unknown)? Everyone else?
22:41 rangi yep
22:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1547: SUCCESS in 2 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1547/
22:49 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11009: Do not display circulation history of anonymous patron
22:49 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11009: (follow-up) tweak wording and remove potential log noise
22:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11009 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Do not allow reading records of anonymous patron
22:50 wizzyrea wow that's weird. I have a record where the MARC is stored in japanese kanji(?) but the marcxml is all sorts of messedup.
22:50 wizzyrea htf does that even happen.
22:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #409 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #409: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/409/
22:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update suggestions images
22:51 bag gremlins wizzyrea
22:51 wizzyrea it seems to happen routinely on japanese and chinese records.
22:51 wizzyrea in this particular db.
22:51 wizzyrea accented characters are stored correctly, but displayed incorrectly.
22:51 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I WANT THAT RECORD
22:51 wizzyrea yea?
22:51 gmcharlt (oops)
22:52 gmcharlt :)
22:52 cait1 collector of weird marc records? :)
22:52 gmcharlt cait1: indeed. maybe in 100 years they'll be worth somethign ;)
22:52 cait1 :)
22:59 cait1 good night all!
23:54 dcook Do folks remember a bug where check in was debarring patrons even when items were returned on time?
23:55 dcook I think it's related to finesdays/Suspend in Days and it's been fixed but I'm not noticing it in Bugzilla..