Time  Nick          Message
23:39 talljoy       nevermind, read the code.  these suckers are gone gone
23:37 talljoy       deleted_borrowers, i mean.
23:37 talljoy       got a question about about the batch patron deletion/anonymization tool.  when a patron is 'permanently deleted' is it still stored in deleted patrons?
23:37 pianohacker   pfft
23:37 wahanui       i think talljoy is one of the few women that can see eye to eye with druthb. Almost all the others need to stand on a box.
23:37 pianohacker   hey talljoy
23:36 talljoy       hey #koha
23:28 pianohacker   nice username
23:27 * cait-m__    waves
23:09 * pianohacker waves wizzyrea
23:00 * wizzyrea    waves
22:02 pablito       :-D
22:02 pablito       today is the feast of Santa Claus so ho ho ho
22:02 jcamins       You too.
22:02 pablito       have a great weekend jcamins!
22:01 pablito       hehe
22:01 jcamins       And- it's the weekend! Woohoo!
22:01 jcamins       Often I just turn off the cron job when doing imports that big, and reindex when they're done.
22:01 jcamins       Yup, that'll do it.
22:01 pablito       36,400 records
22:00 pablito       ah, that's probably why
21:59 jcamins       If you did a really huge import, though, the cron job can get stuffed up because multiple jobs are trying to run at once.
21:58 jcamins       Yeah, that looks good.
21:57 pablito       */15 * * * * root koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl
21:57 pablito       */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra -q $(koha-list --enabled)
21:56 pablito       but can you check my crontab job to see if it's correct?  Because a few days ago I had to do a manual zebra rebuild to be able to search for records
21:55 pablito       anyway, I will follow up with this issue later
21:54 pablito       out of 36,000 records, maybe only 2 or 3 have no call number
21:53 pablito       99% of the records have call number
21:52 jcamins       Is the call number missing on all records, or just some?
21:51 pablito       appreciate your help
21:51 pablito       ok, thanks
21:49 jcamins       I'm not sure what it is, so I'd suggest checking the channel later, or next week, since it's 4:50 on a Friday here, and already the weekend in Europe and Oceania.
21:48 pablito       it doesn't even show up in the Admin side either
21:48 jcamins       Wow, that's really confusing.
21:47 pablito       but under Marc view tab, the call number is listed under "Full Call Number" column
21:45 jcamins       Hm.
21:45 pablito       no, it's just Roman Numerals and numbers
21:45 jcamins       Do you have non-Latin characters in the 952$o?
21:45 pablito       and holding location
21:45 jcamins       I see.
21:45 pablito       like the barcode
21:45 jcamins       Oh, okay.
21:45 pablito       i know it does because the other subfields of 952 show up fine
21:44 * jcamins     isn't sure what's going on.
21:44 jcamins       Odd.
21:44 pablito       on import, it said everything is processed
21:44 jcamins       Okay. I think the 952 isn't getting handled at all. Does the import report having processed items?
21:43 pablito       well, for the majority of my records, I have it in both 852 and 952
21:42 jcamins       pablito: is it possible that you actually have it in *8*52?
21:41 pablito       however, it DOES show up when I click on the MARC tab under "Full Call Number"
21:41 jcamins       Does the item show up at all?
21:41 pablito       it would NOT show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results
21:41 pablito       it wouldn't
21:40 pablito       sorry
21:40 pablito       well, it would show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results
21:40 jcamins       pablito: so the bib shows up without a call number?
21:40 jcamins       drojf: sorry, Lovetime.
21:39 jcamins       I think.
21:39 jcamins       drojf: I thought you would want to know that this book was published by a German named Hearttime.
21:39 pablito       but it would not show up in my OPAC search result
21:38 pablito       I imported my MARC data with the 952$o tagging the call number
21:38 jcamins       There will be a bit of a delay, though, after you add new records, since the cron job only runs every n minutes (where n = a number I don't remember).
21:38 pablito       now, I have one more annoying problem with the call number
21:37 pablito       great!
21:37 pablito       :-)
21:37 pablito       you are right
21:36 jcamins       (if you're not using packages, you need to set everything up in your user's crontab, manually)
21:35 jcamins       (when you're using packages)
21:35 jcamins       The documentation is a little bit confusing on this point, and suggests that you should have a cron job in your user's crontab, but that's not the case.
21:34 jcamins       :)
21:34 jcamins       It was. Look at /etc/cron.d/koha-common
21:34 pablito       hmm, I've installed koha via apt-get, but I don't believe a cron job was setup for my system
21:32 jcamins       No, you just need to be running the cron job. If you used packages, that will be set up.
21:32 pablito       now, if I add 60 more books, do I need to do a full zebra reindexing with the -f switch?
21:31 pablito       my library has over 36000 books
21:31 pablito       I have a quick question about reindexing zebra
21:30 pablito       good evening everyone
20:59 drojf         (i was trying to add items to biblios i had already imported)
20:58 drojf         is there something magical about matching rules that i am missing? i tried one for Control-number (which is actually in the manual and on the list in several versions), but it is just not working.
20:56 druthb        hi, bag!
20:55 bag           heya druthb
20:53 huginn        drojf: The operation succeeded.
20:53 drojf         @later tell cait also, is there a reason not to squash the three patches?
20:46 drojf         [off] no, a german library and a german service. but yours sounds way more fun :D
20:45 huginn        drojf: The operation succeeded.
20:45 drojf         @later tell cait cait! sorry, no playtime at the moment. :(
20:45 jcamins       [off] Maybe it's the same person.
20:45 jcamins       [off] I keep on getting e-mail from someone who wants me to call him on his cell phone in India, even though he doesn't speak English, so I can do development work for him for free.
20:45 rambutan      OverDrive, I presume?
20:44 drojf         [off] "we are very interested in koha. also, could you make it work with that horrible DRMed service we use?" :/
20:42 druthb        :)
20:41 drojf         druthb!
20:41 druthb        drojf!
20:29 jcamins       Wait... how is software patents being struck down a "worst case" scenario?
20:28 rambutan      apologies for slightly off topic post, but potentially important
20:27 rambutan      http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/court-case-could-mean-death-of-software-patents/3894877/
19:58 drojf         hi #koha
19:30 tcohen        bye #koha
19:30 tcohen        see u guys
19:30 tcohen        ok, that's it for now
19:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update
19:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004
19:25 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations
19:25 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update
19:25 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1542: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1542/
19:23 gmcharlt      as it is, we're now facing the prospect of figuring out when to consider upgrading to Bootstrap 3.0.x
19:22 gmcharlt      and if one is going to those lengths -- one may as well just take control of it directly and not mess around with YASPs
19:21 jcamins       Yeah, everything would have to be recompiled to change that.
19:21 ebegin        jcamins, oh, I overlook the fact that the 12 columns was part of bootstrap's CSS
19:18 jcamins       (or needing to give Apache write access to the filesystem, which is even worse)
19:17 jcamins       And the benefit of not needing to recompile the CSS every request is pretty big.
19:17 jcamins       It's easy enough to subdivide if you really need smaller columns.
19:17 ebegin        jcamins, that would be the default value
19:16 jcamins       People are used to that.
19:16 jcamins       ebegin: I think maintaining the Bootstrap 12-column layout is a good idea.
19:15 mtompset      Yes. It would still be integer, but you can accomplish 3% or so adjustment by just changing width and ratios. :)
19:15 gmcharlt      tcohen: yes
19:14 ebegin        mtompset, i though using integer. For your 9/32, you'll have to set the OpacGridWidth to 32 and your OpacGridLeftColumnWidth to 9
19:07 tcohen        gmcharlt: did u get the email?
19:04 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.12.x build #142: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/142/
19:02 mtompset      Plus, then you can generate finer granularity (3/12 = .25, but what about 9/32?)
19:01 mtompset      Exactly.
19:01 ebegin        mtompset++ that could be usefull instead of being stuck with 12 columns
19:00 mtompset      ebegin: Why not a OpacColumnWidth number too?
18:55 ebegin        Another way would be to have 2 syspref : OpacNavLeftColumns and OpacNavRightColumns and give the OpacMainUserBlock the remaining
18:53 ebegin        Any thoughs ?
18:53 ebegin        and using those number in the template instead of hardcoding them.
18:53 ebegin        I don't want to change this everytime. So I though that we could have a syspref specifying the column models , for exemple 2,7,3 (the default one) or 3,6,3 (the one I need)
18:51 ebegin        I would like to get a 3-6-3 template...
18:51 ebegin        I just ran in a bootstrap limitation. Since it's a grid based framework, the grid is currently divided as a 2-7-3, eg 2 cols for OpacNav, 7 for OpacMainUserBloc and 3 for the OpacNavRight
18:50 tcohen        i forgot to cc you in an email to rangi, i've just fw it
18:47 tcohen        notably t/db_dependent/Search.t
18:47 wahanui       which ones are those?
18:47 gmcharlt      tcohen: which ones?
18:47 huginn        rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.2°C (12:47 PM CST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady).
18:47 rambutan      @wunder 64507
18:38 jenkins_koha  Starting build #142 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:20 tcohen        and they run smoothly without it
18:20 tcohen        I don't understand why some tests fail with PERL5OPT=-MDevel::Cover
18:19 tcohen        hmm
17:53 jcamins       And after a token three seconds of horror about the fact that it had been picked up, it settled down happily.
17:53 jcamins       The cat just showed up.
17:53 jcamins       Heh.
17:52 peggy         at least your lap can be warm...
17:47 jcamins       Of course... I hunted down a towel so that the cat could sit on my lap without covering me with hair or scratching me with his/her dagger-like claws, and now the cat is gone.
17:42 peggy         Thanks jcamins.
17:40 jcamins       peggy: if you want a list of all the changes that have been made to a file, not just the latest, you can use `git log file/name`
17:39 peggy         The first is perfect.  Thanks
17:38 bag           you could also use git-blame - in your git server - that will show you who committed the lines you are interested in
17:37 bag           maybe something in there?
17:37 bag           peggy: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree
17:36 peggy         is it possible to look at the modification history of a particular file?
17:24 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1542 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed
17:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms
17:21 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated
17:21 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms
17:21 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #1541: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1541/
17:00 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update
17:00 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004
17:00 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations
17:00 jenkins_koha  * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update
17:00 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #257: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/257/
16:36 reiveune      bye
16:21 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL
16:21 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl
16:21 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/71/
16:21 jenkins_koha  Starting build #71 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:21 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL
16:21 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl
16:21 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs build #406: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/406/
16:21 jenkins_koha  Starting build #406 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:19 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL
16:19 jenkins_koha  * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl
16:19 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #32: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/32/
16:19 jenkins_koha  Starting build #32 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:10 jenkins_koha  Starting build #257 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed
16:09 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms
16:09 jenkins_koha  * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated
16:09 jenkins_koha  * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms
16:09 jenkins_koha  Project master_maria build #256: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/256/
15:56 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=142acaf8df1bce808487051d2bf404fedb7c6caa> / Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6203bbaa55acb2cae3af230a3bf616ae25b88e21> / Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
15:37 barton        nengard: best kind :-)
15:36 jenkins_koha  Nicole C. Engard: update popularity
15:36 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs build #405: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/405/
15:36 jenkins_koha  Starting build #405 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:34 jenkins_koha  Nicole C. Engard: update popularity
15:34 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #31: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/31/
15:34 jenkins_koha  Starting build #31 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:24 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=860b99594f8a11d9a9f9d2d7c9a77e4ac477ac7b>
15:24 cait          the only thing working is irc
15:24 cait          this internet connection is so super slow...
15:23 jenkins_koha  Starting build #1541 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:22 nengard       naughty barton
15:19 cait          :)
15:19 jenkins_koha  Starting build #256 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:19 barton        fun to spoof.
15:18 barton        hi cait... playing tricks with cow-orkers at bywater. "craban" is our snmp monitor -- sends IRC messages about disk space warnings and such.
15:16 cait          hi cranban/barton
15:16 * cait        is on a train... again :)
15:14 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31a3fe1537de393cad1e215bb43f6f1e659c6f72>
15:09 Joubu         :)
15:09 francharb     ;)
15:09 francharb     have a pint for me
15:09 francharb     thanks Joubu
15:09 francharb     ok
15:09 francharb     ahhhhhhhhhhh
15:07 * francharb   waves cait
15:07 francharb     Joubu++
15:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11263 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New 'locale' setting in subscriptions is not user friendly
15:07 Joubu         francharb: see bug 11263 and linked reports
15:07 francharb     ok Joubu ! thank you! I'm going to ckeck this in bugzilla
15:07 cait          Joubu: can't help - internet connection too bad for searching bugzilla :(
15:06 * cait        waves
15:06 Joubu         bugs
15:06 wahanui       reports is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
15:06 francharb     reports?
15:06 Joubu         I am searching for
15:05 Joubu         francharb: there are some reports for these value
15:04 francharb     ?
15:04 francharb     or maybe somebody else around here$
15:04 francharb     ;)
15:04 francharb     Joubu, c'est le temps de t'exercer en anglais
15:04 francharb     maybe Joubu knows it as well?
15:03 francharb     do you know what is it for?
15:03 francharb     when you add a new subscription, there is an option "locale" after the numbering patterns dropdowm menu
15:01 francharb     in subscription-add.pl
15:01 francharb     ;)
15:01 francharb     salut jajm! quick question in franglais
14:53 cait          hm not so far no
14:52 tcohen        has anyone had out-of-memory situations in production related to RSS?
14:39 nengard       :)
14:38 peggy         Much better.  I figured it was something simple.  Thanks!
14:37 wahanui       it has been said that AllowOnShelfHolds is off
14:37 nengard       AllowOnShelfHolds
14:37 nengard       make sure it's set to allow
14:37 nengard       try checked the on shelf holds preference
14:35 peggy         When I look at the items, there are two items available.
14:35 peggy         I have a (hopefully simple) hold question.  I'm in a sandbox (i.e. brand new installation).  I now have an All-All-All circ rule.  But if I try to put a hold on an item it says "Cannot place hold - No copies are available to be placed on hold"
13:53 huginn        tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 22.0°C (10:00 AM ART on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
13:53 tcohen        @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:53 tcohen        #wunder cordoba, argentina
13:31 ebegin        As strange as it can sounds, the weather feels warm today
13:30 huginn        ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0°C (8:00 AM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
13:30 ebegin        @wunder montreal canada
13:30 ebegin        good morning Koha !
13:28 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:28 jcamins       @later tell dcook Nice!
13:25 tcohen        magnuse: could you verify my followup for 11167 is ok?
13:11 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:11 tcohen        @later tell rangi thanks for the advise, i noticed and am currently about to push them
13:03 francharb     morning #koha
12:58 khall         np!
12:58 khall         mornin tcohen!
12:57 tcohen        thanks for taking the time to test
12:57 tcohen        hi khall
12:57 huginn        khall: The operation succeeded.
12:57 khall         @later tell cait I passed qa on bug 11262, but I think it still wouldn't hurt to have a set of german eyes take a look at it ; )
12:39 tcohen        florencio agrees
12:38 wahanui       morning is a state of cat
12:38 tcohen        morning!
11:43 huginn        magnuse: The operation succeeded.
11:43 magnuse       @later tell rangi: any plans for a statistical rundown of 3.14?
10:28 magnuse       Oak!
10:25 Oak           Ahoy #koha
10:25 Oak           magnuse
10:25 Oak           cait
09:11 cait          hi magnuse
09:08 * magnuse     waves to cait
09:01 Lan           Hi im back
08:19 * cait        waves
07:53 wahanui       privet, alex_a
07:53 alex_a        bonjour
07:43 wahanui       que tal, reiveune
07:43 reiveune      hello
07:40 magnuse       kia ora JDatTeTakere
07:31 * magnuse     waves
06:51 Jurgens       I'm looking to mark a list of books (I've got a list of barcodes) for deletion at our next stock take. I normally just check the items in and then make a date last seen report to identify any missing items, however what I want to know is if there is a way to flag up a batch of barcodes so that it lets me know this item is meant to be deleted during check in?
06:48 Jurgens       Hi.
06:38 dcook         Night #koha
06:30 dcook         Have a good drive!
06:30 dcook         Ouch
06:30 ashimema      enjoy your evening mate..
06:30 ashimema      I better go start driving, got a meeting a few hours away this morning.
06:30 dcook         It's beer o'clock
06:30 dcook         Now I'm looking at Digital Ocean vs Linode, because...well...I don't know why
06:30 ashimema      Well,
06:23 dcook         I certainly never leave early :p
06:22 ashimema      haha.. if your like me you nearly always leave work late.
06:21 dcook         5:21pm here. I should probably leave work.
06:21 dcook         Ouch. I was wondering what the time might be like there...
06:11 ashimema      How's you?
06:11 ashimema      not bad, not bad.. not enjoying eing up at 6am though.
06:11 ashimema      hi dcook..
06:08 dcook         How's it going?
06:08 dcook         hey ashimema
06:01 mtompset      Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. I suppose weekend for some folks. :)
05:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
05:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable
05:37 mtompset      I look forward to code someone may write for bug 10891 and bug 11232.
05:35 mtompset      I feel the same kind of elusiveness as I watch facets get added into the OPAC search results.
05:34 mtompset      dcook: Thanks for your thoughts. I wasn't even thinking of the templating issues, but rather "and what if someone changes the template to include another field that should be hidden?" the end goal is never reached for certain with features being added, tweaked, etc.
04:24 * dcook       might have thought about this a little bit in the past ;)
04:24 dcook         Otherwise, imagine trying to control the visibility of fields in the normal view for both the regular templates and the XSLTs
04:24 dcook         But that's about it
04:24 dcook         Personally, I think the wording for the visibility should be revised so that it says explicitly that the framework hidden value refers to MARCdetail and not normal view
04:23 dcook         I've asked the same question before, and the answer is typically no
04:16 mtompset      If a marc tag/subtag is marked as not visible in OPAC (recall those ugly hidden=numbers?), it hides nicely in MARCdetail, but detail may display. For example, try hiding 100$a (giving a intentionally visible scenario). Is this something we should care about?
04:08 dcook         night joel
04:07 joels68       Good night people.
04:05 * dcook       isn't sure why he waited so long for lunch..
04:05 dcook         As is food.
04:05 dcook         My conclusion is that travel is nice :)
04:04 Lan           But beaches is nice.
04:04 Lan           Tropical rainforest climate for whole life is boring
04:03 jcamins       I'm not a huge fan of beaches.
04:03 jcamins       Meh.
04:02 dcook         Beaches can be pretty nice
04:01 joels68       sand is overrated too.
04:01 joels68       Been to vegas desert several times.
04:00 joels68       Reno is desert, mostly.
04:00 joels68       I was supposed to visit a friend in silicon valley after Kohacon but he bailed at the last minute.
03:59 dcook         Hmm, maybe for Christmas..
03:59 * dcook       needs to go to the outback sometime
03:59 dcook         I suppose I haven't seen a desert...
03:59 dcook         I think lava is one of the few things I haven't seen
03:59 * dcook       thinks joels68 should take a trip to Santa Barbara
03:59 dcook         O_O
03:58 joels68       I've seen plenty of snow, no ocean.
03:58 jcamins       JFK
03:58 jcamins       We took off from EWR or JFK (can't remember) at 9:30pm.
03:58 dcook         I suppose if he was in a center section of the plane..
03:57 dcook         Was he blindfolded on the plane?
03:57 jcamins       He was from Fargo, North Dakota.
03:57 jcamins       No.
03:57 dcook         Were they Moroccan?
03:57 dcook         o_O
03:57 dcook         But..
03:57 dcook         O_o
03:57 jcamins       I was in Morocco with someone who had never seen the ocean.
03:57 dcook         More fun to visit than to deal with ;)
03:56 * dcook       wasn't so fussed
03:56 dcook         It was only the second time she'd ever seen it in her life
03:56 dcook         My Australian wife was rather thrilled to see snow when we were visiting Vancouver
03:55 Lan           Nope if you cannot see them on your country
03:55 joels68       totally overrated.
03:54 jcamins       Snow is overrated.
03:54 Lan           play with snow
03:54 Lan           Someday I will go to snow country
03:52 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Magadan, Russia is -9.0°C (3:30 PM MAGT on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
03:52 dcook         @wunder Magadan, russia
03:51 huginn        brendan_: The current temperature in Repp and Pool St, North Pole, Alaska is -10.8°C (6:44 PM AKST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031 hPa (Falling).  Freezing Rain Advisory in effect from 3 am Friday to 3 am akst Saturday...
03:51 brendan_      @wunder north pole, ak
03:47 dcook         -42 with the windchill. Dang. Really cold for this time of year.
03:47 joels68       Yep, that's cold.
03:47 dcook         hehe
03:47 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
03:47 dcook         @wunder sydney, australia
03:47 dcook         Home sweet home ;)
03:47 huginn        dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -29.0°C (9:00 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -32.0°C. Windchill: -42.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
03:47 dcook         @wunder yqr
03:46 huginn        dcook: Error: No such location could be found.
03:46 dcook         @wunder regina, saskatchewan
03:45 brendan_      nice I forgot I was installing something last night and my terminal stayed open until tonight - so I can pick up right where I was
03:44 joels68       ;-)
03:43 * joels68     has considered lighting house on fire to keep warm
03:43 brendan_      that's gilling weather there
03:43 huginn        brendan_: The current temperature in Long Island City, Queens, New York is 12.4°C (10:40 PM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
03:43 brendan_      @wunder astoria ny
03:43 joels68       Low tonite -11 F.
03:42 brendan_      I'd freeze solid
03:42 joels68       Try that on for size.
03:42 brendan_      minus 19 !!!!!
03:42 huginn        joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is -19.0°C (9:35 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -29.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa.  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST Saturday... 
03:42 joels68       @wunder 56187
03:42 brendan_      nope pretty cold
03:42 huginn        brendan_: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 5.2°C (7:41 PM PST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).  Frost advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am PST Friday...
03:42 brendan_      @wunder 93102
03:42 joels68       Grillin' weather there isn't it?
03:41 brendan_      thinking maybe a quick salad and some kale chips
03:41 brendan_      I've got some good kale and some spinach
03:41 brendan_      what to make?
03:41 brendan_      alright I need some dinner
03:41 joels68       lot of hype over not that great of a show
03:39 * jcamins     was disappointed too.
03:39 dcook         ginny: the destroyer
03:39 jcamins       joels68: yes, thank you.
03:39 joels68       jcamins: whatched day of the doctor yet?
03:38 jcamins       joels68: that's for sure.
03:38 brendan_      heh
03:37 brendan_      but hey bag++  (great name)
03:37 brendan_      I just haven't recreated it on my laptop yet
03:37 brendan_      actually ginny was helping me type some emails last night and she managed to delete my bip connection from my laptop :)
03:36 brendan_      I'm both tonight :)
03:36 joels68       brendan and not bag?
03:36 dcook         true true
03:34 joels68       There certainly is no shortage of people who don't know what they're doing that others rely on for accurate info.
03:34 brendan_      :)
03:32 mtj           [off] … and a nice example of why people are still so pissed at ptfs/liblime
03:31 mtj           its truly tragic
03:27 jcamins       This is my pet peeve about the whole thing. Librarians should not be entirely unaware that there is an open source version.
03:27 Lan           that when they will realize they have made mistake
03:27 Lan           Well for "koha wiki" thou community version come #1
03:26 jcamins       Lan: sure, but your IT guy isn't expected to teach people how to do research, is he?
03:25 Lan           Even my IT guys do the mistake
03:24 Lan           #2 with "community" word make they think it was a community support forum.
03:22 joels68       Bye cait
03:22 joels68       koha-community.org is #2 result of google koha search
03:22 cait1         bye all
03:22 cait1         ok, time to sleep
03:21 cait1         there is enough information on the web that should make you suspicious
03:20 cait1         Lan: there is nothing we can change about that
03:20 jcamins       [off] That's how I know that she's really a producer and not a librarian.
03:19 jcamins       [off] cait1: as a librarian, clearly she knew that the only authoritative source was the first hit on Google.
03:19 Lan           New people always think koha.org = main website. koha-community is maybe their community forum.
03:19 joels68       Apparently the person researching Koha somehow missed the community version.
03:19 cait1         especially librarians should know how to do proper reasearch
03:19 cait1         only looking at the first result doesn't make it any better
03:19 jcamins       Yeah. :(
03:18 Lan           they came first on google search
03:18 joels68       Bad research. Liblime Koha.
03:17 jcamins       Now, Koha might not be SIF-compliant, but that comparison was between two closed source products.
03:17 joels68       cait1: :)
03:16 cait1         *meow*
03:16 cait1         people doing bad research :(
03:16 Lan           same
03:15 jcamins       Lan: that's not about Koha.
03:15 * jcamins     hates reading things like that.
03:15 jcamins       Yikes.
03:14 Lan           that what the proposal said
03:14 Lan           While Koha is a more cost effective option, it is a very basic library management  system. Children from pre -K to grade 12 use our libraries . It is important for young  children with ?emerging literacy abili ties? to have iconic displays in their OPACs  (Kaplan & Riedling, 179). The OPAC options with Alexandria are more appropriate  for young children. The Koha system is also not SIF -compliant, which makes  importing patron data a time consuming task f
03:13 Lan           lbs850fecteau.wikispaces.com/file/view/MPattersonOPACproposal.pdf?
03:09 Lan           Nobody have dog on keypoard?
03:08 joels68       I have one coming up in the new year.
03:08 joels68       Anyone have any opinins on Alexandria K-12 migrations to Koha?
03:06 cait1         smart and sleepy cat
03:02 cait1         very smart cat.
03:01 joels68       A very smart cat too.
03:00 wizzyrea      cait1: you were up super late, and now you're up again?! that or you have an extremely dexterous cat
02:58 joels68       cait: it is pretty late for you though ;-)
02:58 wizzyrea      hehe
02:58 cait1         d
02:57 cait1         just the cat on the keyboar
02:57 * cait1       is not really here either
02:57 joels68       Or you hope he goes to bed early
02:57 wizzyrea      some people go to bed early!
02:57 jcamins       *57
02:56 jcamins       wizzyrea: at 9:47?
02:56 trea          i doubt he's actaully here
02:56 trea          yea probably so
02:56 wizzyrea      that sometimes happens when computers wake up in the night, i.e. the cat jumped on the keyboard.
02:51 joels68       I didn't know gold key star trek comics from the 70s were available on overdrive.  Wild.
02:49 joels68       Does he have a bot log on periodically?
02:47 * wizzyrea    hopes natec is in bed.
02:45 joels68       NateC in the house?
02:43 joels68       Hey bag, how's it going in sunny CA?
02:42 Lan           THis library is using isis since 1995
02:42 Lan           yeah they stop
02:41 jcamins       Actually, I had thought that they stopped updating it.
02:41 jcamins       I haven't used isis in years.
02:41 Lan           migration is a nightmare
02:41 Lan           winsis
02:41 Lan           And we still using WINOPAC
02:40 jcamins       Yikes, that's a wide page.
02:40 wizzyrea      yea that bit depends on your theme.
02:40 Lan           and not responsive
02:40 wizzyrea      heh, that's wordpress.
02:39 Lan           outsource
02:39 Lan           it was oursources
02:39 Lan           and I dont have any access to update them
02:39 Lan           We onle be give that for website
02:38 wizzyrea      but I feel ya that it might be hard to get your IT guy to go for wordpress
02:38 Lan           http://www.pmc.edu.my/facilities/pmc-library/
02:38 wizzyrea      (and that is wordpress)
02:38 wizzyrea      have you seen the koha-community website? it's responsive.
02:37 Lan           Almost all our medical student use mobile
02:37 Lan           Becauase our main website not
02:36 Lan           Responsive is one of the reason I want use koha as CMS
02:35 jcamins       Though I suspect their front page might not be.
02:35 joels68       It was created using Artisteer. Anyone tried this software?
02:35 jcamins       Lan: CCSR is responsive.
02:35 Lan           That website not responsive theme
02:34 Lan           THanks to him koha is now responsive
02:34 joels68       Have any of you seen this site? It's frickin' beautiful. http://www.cclibraries.com/
02:34 wahanui       oleonard is probably still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
02:34 jcamins       oleonard.
02:34 Lan           Who create koha bootstrap theme?
02:31 Lan           Plan to have something worth as memories during my time working as librarian
02:31 joels68       Howdy sailors.
02:31 wizzyrea      "the mighty librarian" I think you mean.
02:30 wizzyrea      ;)
02:30 wizzyrea      "just a librarian"
02:30 Lan           Since I just a librarian
02:30 Lan           Well it will be grow up when I have time update them
02:29 jcamins       Lan: how much content are you looking at having?
02:27 Lan           It would be nice to have only opacmainuserblock reload
02:27 wizzyrea      it does heaps of stuff.
02:27 wizzyrea      bootstrap might have a thing like that.
02:26 Lan           http://demos.2lessons.info/facebook_vmenu/facebook_vertical_menu.php#wall.htm
02:26 Lan           Thinking hard how to make jwuery pull like facebook
02:24 jcamins       That'd be a good idea, probably.
02:24 * wizzyrea    thinks to file a bug for that.
02:24 wizzyrea      oo should we get rid of that when we lose the prog theme?
02:23 jcamins       (tmpl is automatically translated to tt at the moment, but that will change eventually)
02:19 jcamins       It's legacy code. You should use tt going forward.
02:19 Lan           not opac-main.tt
02:19 Lan           why my main.pl said opac-main.tmpl
02:15 jcamins       In that case, using Koha as a CMS may be your best bet. Just so long as you're aware that it might be hard to get support on problems you run into with that feature.
02:15 wizzyrea      well you are welcome to update the wiki with whatever new info you have
02:14 jcamins       Ah.
02:14 jcamins       You have to create a new file.
02:14 Lan           asking my it department to upload those 2 files was already pain. I don't think he will agree on wordpress
02:14 jcamins       Lan: how will you use Koha as a CMS, then?
02:13 Lan           For me who dont have direct access to our college server it would be pain
02:13 dcook         You just need to weigh the pros and cons
02:13 dcook         Lan: There are certainly options. Some of our Koha libraries use it as a CMS and it works all right.
02:13 wizzyrea      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpub0hTbjs
02:12 * dcook       suddenly gets outkast on the brain
02:12 wizzyrea      how's the little person?
02:12 wizzyrea      hi bag
02:12 dcook         hey ya bag
02:12 bag           heya wizzyrea and dcook
02:12 wizzyrea      easy, with appropriate styling. probably easier with a bootstrap theme, since the divs are portably named.
02:11 * dcook       wonders how easy it would be to replicate the Koha "look and feel"
02:11 jcamins       Then the Wordpress site becomes their "website."
02:11 wizzyrea      yea, I'm just saying "perhaps they don't have a website"
02:11 jcamins       I recommended using a system that is better-supported for that use case, like Wordpress.
02:11 jcamins       wizzyrea: right, but we just said "don't do that."
02:10 wizzyrea      I think is why they want to use koha as a cms
02:10 wizzyrea      that may *be* their website.
02:09 cait          hi bag
02:09 bag           heya jcamins cait and rangi
02:08 bag           agreed that does look nice
02:08 jcamins       You just make them links to your website.
02:08 jcamins       Wow, looks nice!
02:07 Lan           dont know to put what
02:07 Lan           so my left menu will rendered useless
02:07 Lan           http://library.pmc.edu.my/
02:06 rangi         http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1529/Phpbb.html
02:05 cait          cms
02:05 cait          not a sms
02:05 cait          also phpbb is a forum i think?
02:05 Lan           Yeah it was long time ago
02:05 rangi         it sure used to be full of holes
02:05 jcamins       I"m not sure. I don't know anything about it, the name just rang a bell that said "really dramatic vulnerabilities."
02:04 Lan           huh? I tot was secure
02:03 jcamins       Isn't phpbb the software that is most likely to be compromised?
02:03 Lan           should I use phpbb istead? xD
02:03 jcamins       (personally, I use jekyll)
02:03 jcamins       (some folks swear by Drupal)
02:02 jcamins       (or whatever)
02:02 jcamins       Not really... just log in to your Wordpress site.
02:02 jcamins       Or spend the resources to build a basic CMS into Koha.
02:02 Lan           well for library it means your cms page would be a pain to be update
02:01 jcamins       Yes, in my opinion.
02:01 Lan           Would it be better to use seperate cms page rather than integrate into koha?
01:59 jcamins       No, tt is correct.
01:59 Lan           template_name  => "opac-main.tt",? now is pages.tmpl
01:57 Lan           yah now bootstrap I already realize that
01:57 rangi         for one prog/en/modules/opac-main.tt is going away in a future release
01:56 Lan           thats sound bad...
01:55 cait          it might be things change in a way that will also requre changes to this code
01:55 Lan           Well for update I just need to use latest file and reimplement this right?
01:54 cait          because it's not really a supported feature
01:54 cait          and it's very likely to break on updates
01:54 cait          it requires you to change files
01:52 Lan           Why it is bad idea?
01:52 wizzyrea      the cms guide needs to be updated with a really big heading that says "this is a bad idea, don't do it, but if you must here's how"
01:49 Lan           big?
01:47 jcamins       Reeeeeeaaaallllyyyyy big.
01:46 wizzyrea      lol.
01:45 rangi         with a big heading, this is a bad idea, dont do it, but if you must here's how
01:45 Lan           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS
01:44 Lan           Hmm.. I think CMS guide need to be updated again
01:43 Lan           My IT department block everyport except 80 and 443
01:43 dcook         hey Lan
01:42 cait          hi Lan
01:40 Lan           It was such a pain to connect irc under blocked firewall T_T
01:40 wahanui       okay, wizzyrea.
01:40 wizzyrea      ncip is also <reply> http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails
01:39 Lan           Hello everyone
01:39 wahanui       well, ncip is NISO, SIP is 3M
01:39 wizzyrea      ncip?
01:39 wahanui       the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
01:39 wizzyrea      standards?
01:39 dcook         Damn
01:39 dcook         your standard?
01:39 dcook         your standards?
01:38 dcook         rangi: hehe
01:38 wahanui       wahanui's bugs are bad, and you should feel bad
01:38 wizzyrea      bad bugs?
01:36 rangi         your bugs are bad, and you should feel bad
01:36 wizzyrea      bothersome, irritating bugs that cause people problems.
01:35 dcook         Bad bugs?
01:25 cait          btw... i am sure some bad bugs are waitin gfor sign offs :P
01:25 cait          i think probably more are resolved... but require some tme consuming tests tomake sure
01:24 dcook         cait++
01:24 wizzyrea      cait++ for bug pruning
01:07 cait          i think i have to give up for tonight :)
01:07 cait          hehe
01:07 * dcook       also has faith in cait
01:02 * dcook       has faith in cat
00:53 cait          910... i doubt i can find 10 more bugs toclose
00:23 cait          912 bugs. gr.
00:22 rambutan      I have a sudden desire for ramyon.
00:21 rambutan      http://arbys.com/our-menu/snack-n-save/jamocha-shake
00:14 wizzyrea      (or mcdonalds. or arbys. )
00:14 wizzyrea      you get milkshakes from wendy's
00:12 dcook         (and increasingly hungry)
00:12 * dcook       is still so confused
00:12 wizzyrea      :P
00:12 wizzyrea      well not where I'm from so much.
00:12 mtj           wiz, i way always intrigued that one got milkshakes from a 'drug store', in the states
00:09 trea          ^^