Time Nick Message 00:09 trea ^^ 00:12 mtj wiz, i way always intrigued that one got milkshakes from a 'drug store', in the states 00:12 wizzyrea well not where I'm from so much. 00:12 wizzyrea :P 00:12 * dcook is still so confused 00:12 dcook (and increasingly hungry) 00:14 wizzyrea you get milkshakes from wendy's 00:14 wizzyrea (or mcdonalds. or arbys. ) 00:21 rambutan http://arbys.com/our-menu/snack-n-save/jamocha-shake 00:22 rambutan I have a sudden desire for ramyon. 00:23 cait 912 bugs. gr. 00:53 cait 910... i doubt i can find 10 more bugs toclose 01:02 * dcook has faith in cat 01:07 * dcook also has faith in cait 01:07 cait hehe 01:07 cait i think i have to give up for tonight :) 01:24 wizzyrea cait++ for bug pruning 01:24 dcook cait++ 01:25 cait i think probably more are resolved... but require some tme consuming tests tomake sure 01:25 cait btw... i am sure some bad bugs are waitin gfor sign offs :P 01:35 dcook Bad bugs? 01:36 wizzyrea bothersome, irritating bugs that cause people problems. 01:36 rangi your bugs are bad, and you should feel bad 01:38 wizzyrea bad bugs? 01:38 wahanui wahanui's bugs are bad, and you should feel bad 01:38 dcook rangi: hehe 01:39 dcook your standards? 01:39 dcook your standard? 01:39 dcook Damn 01:39 wizzyrea standards? 01:39 wahanui the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! 01:39 wizzyrea ncip? 01:39 wahanui well, ncip is NISO, SIP is 3M 01:39 Lan Hello everyone 01:40 wizzyrea ncip is also <reply> http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/post/68930308689/working-on-ncip-kohails 01:40 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 01:40 Lan It was such a pain to connect irc under blocked firewall T_T 01:42 cait hi Lan 01:43 dcook hey Lan 01:43 Lan My IT department block everyport except 80 and 443 01:44 Lan Hmm.. I think CMS guide need to be updated again 01:45 Lan http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 01:45 rangi with a big heading, this is a bad idea, dont do it, but if you must here's how 01:46 wizzyrea lol. 01:47 jcamins Reeeeeeaaaallllyyyyy big. 01:49 Lan big? 01:52 wizzyrea the cms guide needs to be updated with a really big heading that says "this is a bad idea, don't do it, but if you must here's how" 01:52 Lan Why it is bad idea? 01:54 cait it requires you to change files 01:54 cait and it's very likely to break on updates 01:54 cait because it's not really a supported feature 01:55 Lan Well for update I just need to use latest file and reimplement this right? 01:55 cait it might be things change in a way that will also requre changes to this code 01:56 Lan thats sound bad... 01:57 rangi for one prog/en/modules/opac-main.tt is going away in a future release 01:57 Lan yah now bootstrap I already realize that 01:59 Lan template_name => "opac-main.tt",? now is pages.tmpl 01:59 jcamins No, tt is correct. 02:01 Lan Would it be better to use seperate cms page rather than integrate into koha? 02:01 jcamins Yes, in my opinion. 02:02 Lan well for library it means your cms page would be a pain to be update 02:02 jcamins Or spend the resources to build a basic CMS into Koha. 02:02 jcamins Not really... just log in to your Wordpress site. 02:02 jcamins (or whatever) 02:03 jcamins (some folks swear by Drupal) 02:03 jcamins (personally, I use jekyll) 02:03 Lan should I use phpbb istead? xD 02:03 jcamins Isn't phpbb the software that is most likely to be compromised? 02:04 Lan huh? I tot was secure 02:05 jcamins I"m not sure. I don't know anything about it, the name just rang a bell that said "really dramatic vulnerabilities." 02:05 rangi it sure used to be full of holes 02:05 Lan Yeah it was long time ago 02:05 cait also phpbb is a forum i think? 02:05 cait not a sms 02:05 cait cms 02:06 rangi http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1529/Phpbb.html 02:07 Lan http://library.pmc.edu.my/ 02:07 Lan so my left menu will rendered useless 02:07 Lan dont know to put what 02:08 jcamins Wow, looks nice! 02:08 jcamins You just make them links to your website. 02:08 bag agreed that does look nice 02:09 bag heya jcamins cait and rangi 02:09 cait hi bag 02:10 wizzyrea that may *be* their website. 02:10 wizzyrea I think is why they want to use koha as a cms 02:11 jcamins wizzyrea: right, but we just said "don't do that." 02:11 jcamins I recommended using a system that is better-supported for that use case, like Wordpress. 02:11 wizzyrea yea, I'm just saying "perhaps they don't have a website" 02:11 jcamins Then the Wordpress site becomes their "website." 02:11 * dcook wonders how easy it would be to replicate the Koha "look and feel" 02:12 wizzyrea easy, with appropriate styling. probably easier with a bootstrap theme, since the divs are portably named. 02:12 bag heya wizzyrea and dcook 02:12 dcook hey ya bag 02:12 wizzyrea hi bag 02:12 wizzyrea how's the little person? 02:12 * dcook suddenly gets outkast on the brain 02:13 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpub0hTbjs 02:13 dcook Lan: There are certainly options. Some of our Koha libraries use it as a CMS and it works all right. 02:13 dcook You just need to weigh the pros and cons 02:13 Lan For me who dont have direct access to our college server it would be pain 02:14 jcamins Lan: how will you use Koha as a CMS, then? 02:14 Lan asking my it department to upload those 2 files was already pain. I don't think he will agree on wordpress 02:14 jcamins You have to create a new file. 02:14 jcamins Ah. 02:15 wizzyrea well you are welcome to update the wiki with whatever new info you have 02:15 jcamins In that case, using Koha as a CMS may be your best bet. Just so long as you're aware that it might be hard to get support on problems you run into with that feature. 02:19 Lan why my main.pl said opac-main.tmpl 02:19 Lan not opac-main.tt 02:19 jcamins It's legacy code. You should use tt going forward. 02:23 jcamins (tmpl is automatically translated to tt at the moment, but that will change eventually) 02:24 wizzyrea oo should we get rid of that when we lose the prog theme? 02:24 * wizzyrea thinks to file a bug for that. 02:24 jcamins That'd be a good idea, probably. 02:26 Lan Thinking hard how to make jwuery pull like facebook 02:26 Lan http://demos.2lessons.info/facebook_vmenu/facebook_vertical_menu.php#wall.htm 02:27 wizzyrea bootstrap might have a thing like that. 02:27 wizzyrea it does heaps of stuff. 02:27 Lan It would be nice to have only opacmainuserblock reload 02:29 jcamins Lan: how much content are you looking at having? 02:30 Lan Well it will be grow up when I have time update them 02:30 Lan Since I just a librarian 02:30 wizzyrea "just a librarian" 02:30 wizzyrea ;) 02:31 wizzyrea "the mighty librarian" I think you mean. 02:31 joels68 Howdy sailors. 02:31 Lan Plan to have something worth as memories during my time working as librarian 02:34 Lan Who create koha bootstrap theme? 02:34 jcamins oleonard. 02:34 wahanui oleonard is probably still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 02:34 joels68 Have any of you seen this site? It's frickin' beautiful. http://www.cclibraries.com/ 02:34 Lan THanks to him koha is now responsive 02:35 Lan That website not responsive theme 02:35 jcamins Lan: CCSR is responsive. 02:35 joels68 It was created using Artisteer. Anyone tried this software? 02:35 jcamins Though I suspect their front page might not be. 02:36 Lan Responsive is one of the reason I want use koha as CMS 02:37 Lan Becauase our main website not 02:37 Lan Almost all our medical student use mobile 02:38 wizzyrea have you seen the koha-community website? it's responsive. 02:38 wizzyrea (and that is wordpress) 02:38 Lan http://www.pmc.edu.my/facilities/pmc-library/ 02:38 wizzyrea but I feel ya that it might be hard to get your IT guy to go for wordpress 02:39 Lan We onle be give that for website 02:39 Lan and I dont have any access to update them 02:39 Lan it was oursources 02:39 Lan outsource 02:40 wizzyrea heh, that's wordpress. 02:40 Lan and not responsive 02:40 wizzyrea yea that bit depends on your theme. 02:40 jcamins Yikes, that's a wide page. 02:41 Lan And we still using WINOPAC 02:41 Lan winsis 02:41 Lan migration is a nightmare 02:41 jcamins I haven't used isis in years. 02:41 jcamins Actually, I had thought that they stopped updating it. 02:42 Lan yeah they stop 02:42 Lan THis library is using isis since 1995 02:43 joels68 Hey bag, how's it going in sunny CA? 02:45 joels68 NateC in the house? 02:47 * wizzyrea hopes natec is in bed. 02:49 joels68 Does he have a bot log on periodically? 02:51 joels68 I didn't know gold key star trek comics from the 70s were available on overdrive. Wild. 02:56 wizzyrea that sometimes happens when computers wake up in the night, i.e. the cat jumped on the keyboard. 02:56 trea yea probably so 02:56 trea i doubt he's actaully here 02:56 jcamins wizzyrea: at 9:47? 02:57 jcamins *57 02:57 wizzyrea some people go to bed early! 02:57 joels68 Or you hope he goes to bed early 02:57 * cait1 is not really here either 02:57 cait1 just the cat on the keyboar 02:58 cait1 d 02:58 wizzyrea hehe 02:58 joels68 cait: it is pretty late for you though ;-) 03:00 wizzyrea cait1: you were up super late, and now you're up again?! that or you have an extremely dexterous cat 03:01 joels68 A very smart cat too. 03:02 cait1 very smart cat. 03:06 cait1 smart and sleepy cat 03:08 joels68 Anyone have any opinins on Alexandria K-12 migrations to Koha? 03:08 joels68 I have one coming up in the new year. 03:09 Lan Nobody have dog on keypoard? 03:13 Lan lbs850fecteau.wikispaces.com/file/view/MPattersonOPACproposal.pdf? 03:14 Lan While Koha is a more cost effective option, it is a very basic library management system. Children from pre -K to grade 12 use our libraries . It is important for young children with ?emerging literacy abili ties? to have iconic displays in their OPACs (Kaplan & Riedling, 179). The OPAC options with Alexandria are more appropriate for young children. The Koha system is also not SIF -compliant, which makes importing patron data a time consuming task f 03:14 Lan that what the proposal said 03:15 jcamins Yikes. 03:15 * jcamins hates reading things like that. 03:15 jcamins Lan: that's not about Koha. 03:16 Lan same 03:16 cait1 people doing bad research :( 03:16 cait1 *meow* 03:17 joels68 cait1: :) 03:17 jcamins Now, Koha might not be SIF-compliant, but that comparison was between two closed source products. 03:18 joels68 Bad research. Liblime Koha. 03:18 Lan they came first on google search 03:19 jcamins Yeah. :( 03:19 cait1 only looking at the first result doesn't make it any better 03:19 cait1 especially librarians should know how to do proper reasearch 03:19 joels68 Apparently the person researching Koha somehow missed the community version. 03:19 Lan New people always think koha.org = main website. koha-community is maybe their community forum. 03:19 jcamins [off] cait1: as a librarian, clearly she knew that the only authoritative source was the first hit on Google. 03:20 jcamins [off] That's how I know that she's really a producer and not a librarian. 03:20 cait1 Lan: there is nothing we can change about that 03:21 cait1 there is enough information on the web that should make you suspicious 03:22 cait1 ok, time to sleep 03:22 cait1 bye all 03:22 joels68 koha-community.org is #2 result of google koha search 03:22 joels68 Bye cait 03:24 Lan #2 with "community" word make they think it was a community support forum. 03:25 Lan Even my IT guys do the mistake 03:26 jcamins Lan: sure, but your IT guy isn't expected to teach people how to do research, is he? 03:27 Lan Well for "koha wiki" thou community version come #1 03:27 Lan that when they will realize they have made mistake 03:27 jcamins This is my pet peeve about the whole thing. Librarians should not be entirely unaware that there is an open source version. 03:31 mtj its truly tragic 03:32 mtj [off] … and a nice example of why people are still so pissed at ptfs/liblime 03:34 brendan_ :) 03:34 joels68 There certainly is no shortage of people who don't know what they're doing that others rely on for accurate info. 03:36 dcook true true 03:36 joels68 brendan and not bag? 03:36 brendan_ I'm both tonight :) 03:37 brendan_ actually ginny was helping me type some emails last night and she managed to delete my bip connection from my laptop :) 03:37 brendan_ I just haven't recreated it on my laptop yet 03:37 brendan_ but hey bag++ (great name) 03:38 brendan_ heh 03:38 jcamins joels68: that's for sure. 03:39 joels68 jcamins: whatched day of the doctor yet? 03:39 jcamins joels68: yes, thank you. 03:39 dcook ginny: the destroyer 03:39 * jcamins was disappointed too. 03:41 joels68 lot of hype over not that great of a show 03:41 brendan_ alright I need some dinner 03:41 brendan_ what to make? 03:41 brendan_ I've got some good kale and some spinach 03:41 brendan_ thinking maybe a quick salad and some kale chips 03:42 joels68 Grillin' weather there isn't it? 03:42 brendan_ @wunder 93102 03:42 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 5.2°C (7:41 PM PST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). Frost advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am PST Friday... 03:42 brendan_ nope pretty cold 03:42 joels68 @wunder 56187 03:42 huginn joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is -19.0°C (9:35 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -29.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa. Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST Saturday... 03:42 brendan_ minus 19 !!!!! 03:42 joels68 Try that on for size. 03:42 brendan_ I'd freeze solid 03:43 joels68 Low tonite -11 F. 03:43 brendan_ @wunder astoria ny 03:43 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in Long Island City, Queens, New York is 12.4°C (10:40 PM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 03:43 brendan_ that's gilling weather there 03:43 * joels68 has considered lighting house on fire to keep warm 03:44 joels68 ;-) 03:45 brendan_ nice I forgot I was installing something last night and my terminal stayed open until tonight - so I can pick up right where I was 03:46 dcook @wunder regina, saskatchewan 03:46 huginn dcook: Error: No such location could be found. 03:47 dcook @wunder yqr 03:47 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -29.0°C (9:00 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -32.0°C. Windchill: -42.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 03:47 dcook Home sweet home ;) 03:47 dcook @wunder sydney, australia 03:47 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 03:47 dcook hehe 03:47 joels68 Yep, that's cold. 03:47 dcook -42 with the windchill. Dang. Really cold for this time of year. 03:51 brendan_ @wunder north pole, ak 03:51 huginn brendan_: The current temperature in Repp and Pool St, North Pole, Alaska is -10.8°C (6:44 PM AKST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031 hPa (Falling). Freezing Rain Advisory in effect from 3 am Friday to 3 am akst Saturday... 03:52 dcook @wunder Magadan, russia 03:52 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Magadan, Russia is -9.0°C (3:30 PM MAGT on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). 03:54 Lan Someday I will go to snow country 03:54 Lan play with snow 03:54 jcamins Snow is overrated. 03:55 joels68 totally overrated. 03:55 Lan Nope if you cannot see them on your country 03:56 dcook My Australian wife was rather thrilled to see snow when we were visiting Vancouver 03:56 dcook It was only the second time she'd ever seen it in her life 03:56 * dcook wasn't so fussed 03:57 dcook More fun to visit than to deal with ;) 03:57 jcamins I was in Morocco with someone who had never seen the ocean. 03:57 dcook O_o 03:57 dcook But.. 03:57 dcook o_O 03:57 dcook Were they Moroccan? 03:57 jcamins No. 03:57 jcamins He was from Fargo, North Dakota. 03:57 dcook Was he blindfolded on the plane? 03:58 dcook I suppose if he was in a center section of the plane.. 03:58 jcamins We took off from EWR or JFK (can't remember) at 9:30pm. 03:58 jcamins JFK 03:58 joels68 I've seen plenty of snow, no ocean. 03:59 dcook O_O 03:59 * dcook thinks joels68 should take a trip to Santa Barbara 03:59 dcook I think lava is one of the few things I haven't seen 03:59 dcook I suppose I haven't seen a desert... 03:59 * dcook needs to go to the outback sometime 03:59 dcook Hmm, maybe for Christmas.. 04:00 joels68 I was supposed to visit a friend in silicon valley after Kohacon but he bailed at the last minute. 04:00 joels68 Reno is desert, mostly. 04:01 joels68 Been to vegas desert several times. 04:01 joels68 sand is overrated too. 04:02 dcook Beaches can be pretty nice 04:03 jcamins Meh. 04:03 jcamins I'm not a huge fan of beaches. 04:04 Lan Tropical rainforest climate for whole life is boring 04:04 Lan But beaches is nice. 04:05 dcook My conclusion is that travel is nice :) 04:05 dcook As is food. 04:05 * dcook isn't sure why he waited so long for lunch.. 04:07 joels68 Good night people. 04:08 dcook night joel 04:16 mtompset If a marc tag/subtag is marked as not visible in OPAC (recall those ugly hidden=numbers?), it hides nicely in MARCdetail, but detail may display. For example, try hiding 100$a (giving a intentionally visible scenario). Is this something we should care about? 04:23 dcook I've asked the same question before, and the answer is typically no 04:24 dcook Personally, I think the wording for the visibility should be revised so that it says explicitly that the framework hidden value refers to MARCdetail and not normal view 04:24 dcook But that's about it 04:24 dcook Otherwise, imagine trying to control the visibility of fields in the normal view for both the regular templates and the XSLTs 04:24 * dcook might have thought about this a little bit in the past ;) 05:34 mtompset dcook: Thanks for your thoughts. I wasn't even thinking of the templating issues, but rather "and what if someone changes the template to include another field that should be hidden?" the end goal is never reached for certain with features being added, tweaked, etc. 05:35 mtompset I feel the same kind of elusiveness as I watch facets get added into the OPAC search results. 05:37 mtompset I look forward to code someone may write for bug 10891 and bug 11232. 05:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable 05:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra 06:01 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. I suppose weekend for some folks. :) 06:08 dcook hey ashimema 06:08 dcook How's it going? 06:11 ashimema hi dcook.. 06:11 ashimema not bad, not bad.. not enjoying eing up at 6am though. 06:11 ashimema How's you? 06:21 dcook Ouch. I was wondering what the time might be like there... 06:21 dcook 5:21pm here. I should probably leave work. 06:22 ashimema haha.. if your like me you nearly always leave work late. 06:23 dcook I certainly never leave early :p 06:30 ashimema Well, 06:30 dcook Now I'm looking at Digital Ocean vs Linode, because...well...I don't know why 06:30 dcook It's beer o'clock 06:30 ashimema I better go start driving, got a meeting a few hours away this morning. 06:30 ashimema enjoy your evening mate.. 06:30 dcook Ouch 06:30 dcook Have a good drive! 06:38 dcook Night #koha 06:48 Jurgens Hi. 06:51 Jurgens I'm looking to mark a list of books (I've got a list of barcodes) for deletion at our next stock take. I normally just check the items in and then make a date last seen report to identify any missing items, however what I want to know is if there is a way to flag up a batch of barcodes so that it lets me know this item is meant to be deleted during check in? 07:31 * magnuse waves 07:40 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere 07:43 reiveune hello 07:43 wahanui que tal, reiveune 07:53 alex_a bonjour 07:53 wahanui privet, alex_a 08:19 * cait waves 09:01 Lan Hi im back 09:08 * magnuse waves to cait 09:11 cait hi magnuse 10:25 Oak cait 10:25 Oak magnuse 10:25 Oak Ahoy #koha 10:28 magnuse Oak! 11:43 magnuse @later tell rangi: any plans for a statistical rundown of 3.14? 11:43 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 12:38 tcohen morning! 12:38 wahanui morning is a state of cat 12:39 tcohen florencio agrees 12:57 khall @later tell cait I passed qa on bug 11262, but I think it still wouldn't hurt to have a set of german eyes take a look at it ; ) 12:57 huginn khall: The operation succeeded. 12:57 tcohen hi khall 12:57 tcohen thanks for taking the time to test 12:58 khall mornin tcohen! 12:58 khall np! 13:03 francharb morning #koha 13:11 tcohen @later tell rangi thanks for the advise, i noticed and am currently about to push them 13:11 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:25 tcohen magnuse: could you verify my followup for 11167 is ok? 13:28 jcamins @later tell dcook Nice! 13:28 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:30 ebegin good morning Koha ! 13:30 ebegin @wunder montreal canada 13:30 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0°C (8:00 AM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 13:31 ebegin As strange as it can sounds, the weather feels warm today 13:53 tcohen #wunder cordoba, argentina 13:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 13:53 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 22.0°C (10:00 AM ART on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 14:35 peggy I have a (hopefully simple) hold question. I'm in a sandbox (i.e. brand new installation). I now have an All-All-All circ rule. But if I try to put a hold on an item it says "Cannot place hold - No copies are available to be placed on hold" 14:35 peggy When I look at the items, there are two items available. 14:37 nengard try checked the on shelf holds preference 14:37 nengard make sure it's set to allow 14:37 nengard AllowOnShelfHolds 14:37 wahanui it has been said that AllowOnShelfHolds is off 14:38 peggy Much better. I figured it was something simple. Thanks! 14:39 nengard :) 14:52 tcohen has anyone had out-of-memory situations in production related to RSS? 14:53 cait hm not so far no 15:01 francharb salut jajm! quick question in franglais 15:01 francharb ;) 15:01 francharb in subscription-add.pl 15:03 francharb when you add a new subscription, there is an option "locale" after the numbering patterns dropdowm menu 15:03 francharb do you know what is it for? 15:04 francharb maybe Joubu knows it as well? 15:04 francharb Joubu, c'est le temps de t'exercer en anglais 15:04 francharb ;) 15:04 francharb or maybe somebody else around here$ 15:04 francharb ? 15:05 Joubu francharb: there are some reports for these value 15:06 Joubu I am searching for 15:06 francharb reports? 15:06 wahanui reports is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 15:06 Joubu bugs 15:06 * cait waves 15:07 cait Joubu: can't help - internet connection too bad for searching bugzilla :( 15:07 francharb ok Joubu ! thank you! I'm going to ckeck this in bugzilla 15:07 Joubu francharb: see bug 11263 and linked reports 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11263 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New 'locale' setting in subscriptions is not user friendly 15:07 francharb Joubu++ 15:07 * francharb waves cait 15:09 francharb ahhhhhhhhhhh 15:09 francharb ok 15:09 francharb thanks Joubu 15:09 francharb have a pint for me 15:09 francharb ;) 15:09 Joubu :) 15:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31a3fe1537de393cad1e215bb43f6f1e659c6f72> 15:16 * cait is on a train... again :) 15:16 cait hi cranban/barton 15:18 barton hi cait... playing tricks with cow-orkers at bywater. "craban" is our snmp monitor -- sends IRC messages about disk space warnings and such. 15:19 barton fun to spoof. 15:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #256 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:19 cait :) 15:22 nengard naughty barton 15:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #1541 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:24 cait this internet connection is so super slow... 15:24 cait the only thing working is irc 15:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=860b99594f8a11d9a9f9d2d7c9a77e4ac477ac7b> 15:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #31: SUCCESS in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/31/ 15:34 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update popularity 15:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #405 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #405: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/405/ 15:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update popularity 15:37 barton nengard: best kind :-) 15:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=142acaf8df1bce808487051d2bf404fedb7c6caa> / Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6203bbaa55acb2cae3af230a3bf616ae25b88e21> / Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 16:09 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #256: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/256/ 16:09 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms 16:09 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed 16:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #257 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #32: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.12.x/32/ 16:19 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl 16:19 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL 16:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #406 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #406: SUCCESS in 21 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/406/ 16:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl 16:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL 16:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #71: SUCCESS in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/71/ 16:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl 16:21 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update staffClientBaseURL 16:36 reiveune bye 17:00 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #257: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/257/ 17:00 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update 17:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations 17:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 17:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update 17:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1541: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1541/ 17:21 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms 17:21 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated 17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms 17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed 17:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #1542 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:36 peggy is it possible to look at the modification history of a particular file? 17:37 bag peggy: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree 17:37 bag maybe something in there? 17:38 bag you could also use git-blame - in your git server - that will show you who committed the lines you are interested in 17:39 peggy The first is perfect. Thanks 17:40 jcamins peggy: if you want a list of all the changes that have been made to a file, not just the latest, you can use `git log file/name` 17:42 peggy Thanks jcamins. 17:47 jcamins Of course... I hunted down a towel so that the cat could sit on my lap without covering me with hair or scratching me with his/her dagger-like claws, and now the cat is gone. 17:52 peggy at least your lap can be warm... 17:53 jcamins Heh. 17:53 jcamins The cat just showed up. 17:53 jcamins And after a token three seconds of horror about the fact that it had been picked up, it settled down happily. 18:19 tcohen hmm 18:20 tcohen I don't understand why some tests fail with PERL5OPT=-MDevel::Cover 18:20 tcohen and they run smoothly without it 18:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #142 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:47 rambutan @wunder 64507 18:47 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.2°C (12:47 PM CST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady). 18:47 gmcharlt tcohen: which ones? 18:47 wahanui which ones are those? 18:47 tcohen notably t/db_dependent/Search.t 18:50 tcohen i forgot to cc you in an email to rangi, i've just fw it 18:51 ebegin I just ran in a bootstrap limitation. Since it's a grid based framework, the grid is currently divided as a 2-7-3, eg 2 cols for OpacNav, 7 for OpacMainUserBloc and 3 for the OpacNavRight 18:51 ebegin I would like to get a 3-6-3 template... 18:53 ebegin I don't want to change this everytime. So I though that we could have a syspref specifying the column models , for exemple 2,7,3 (the default one) or 3,6,3 (the one I need) 18:53 ebegin and using those number in the template instead of hardcoding them. 18:53 ebegin Any thoughs ? 18:55 ebegin Another way would be to have 2 syspref : OpacNavLeftColumns and OpacNavRightColumns and give the OpacMainUserBlock the remaining 19:00 mtompset ebegin: Why not a OpacColumnWidth number too? 19:01 ebegin mtompset++ that could be usefull instead of being stuck with 12 columns 19:01 mtompset Exactly. 19:02 mtompset Plus, then you can generate finer granularity (3/12 = .25, but what about 9/32?) 19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #142: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/142/ 19:07 tcohen gmcharlt: did u get the email? 19:14 ebegin mtompset, i though using integer. For your 9/32, you'll have to set the OpacGridWidth to 32 and your OpacGridLeftColumnWidth to 9 19:15 gmcharlt tcohen: yes 19:15 mtompset Yes. It would still be integer, but you can accomplish 3% or so adjustment by just changing width and ratios. :) 19:16 jcamins ebegin: I think maintaining the Bootstrap 12-column layout is a good idea. 19:16 jcamins People are used to that. 19:17 ebegin jcamins, that would be the default value 19:17 jcamins It's easy enough to subdivide if you really need smaller columns. 19:17 jcamins And the benefit of not needing to recompile the CSS every request is pretty big. 19:18 jcamins (or needing to give Apache write access to the filesystem, which is even worse) 19:21 ebegin jcamins, oh, I overlook the fact that the 12 columns was part of bootstrap's CSS 19:21 jcamins Yeah, everything would have to be recompiled to change that. 19:22 gmcharlt and if one is going to those lengths -- one may as well just take control of it directly and not mess around with YASPs 19:23 gmcharlt as it is, we're now facing the prospect of figuring out when to consider upgrading to Bootstrap 3.0.x 19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1542: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1542/ 19:25 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update 19:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations 19:25 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 19:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update 19:30 tcohen ok, that's it for now 19:30 tcohen see u guys 19:30 tcohen bye #koha 19:58 drojf hi #koha 20:27 rambutan http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/court-case-could-mean-death-of-software-patents/3894877/ 20:28 rambutan apologies for slightly off topic post, but potentially important 20:29 jcamins Wait... how is software patents being struck down a "worst case" scenario? 20:41 druthb drojf! 20:41 drojf druthb! 20:42 druthb :) 20:44 drojf [off] "we are very interested in koha. also, could you make it work with that horrible DRMed service we use?" :/ 20:45 rambutan OverDrive, I presume? 20:45 jcamins [off] I keep on getting e-mail from someone who wants me to call him on his cell phone in India, even though he doesn't speak English, so I can do development work for him for free. 20:45 jcamins [off] Maybe it's the same person. 20:45 drojf @later tell cait cait! sorry, no playtime at the moment. :( 20:45 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 20:46 drojf [off] no, a german library and a german service. but yours sounds way more fun :D 20:53 drojf @later tell cait also, is there a reason not to squash the three patches? 20:53 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 20:55 bag heya druthb 20:56 druthb hi, bag! 20:58 drojf is there something magical about matching rules that i am missing? i tried one for Control-number (which is actually in the manual and on the list in several versions), but it is just not working. 20:59 drojf (i was trying to add items to biblios i had already imported) 21:30 pablito good evening everyone 21:31 pablito I have a quick question about reindexing zebra 21:31 pablito my library has over 36000 books 21:32 pablito now, if I add 60 more books, do I need to do a full zebra reindexing with the -f switch? 21:32 jcamins No, you just need to be running the cron job. If you used packages, that will be set up. 21:34 pablito hmm, I've installed koha via apt-get, but I don't believe a cron job was setup for my system 21:34 jcamins It was. Look at /etc/cron.d/koha-common 21:34 jcamins :) 21:35 jcamins The documentation is a little bit confusing on this point, and suggests that you should have a cron job in your user's crontab, but that's not the case. 21:35 jcamins (when you're using packages) 21:36 jcamins (if you're not using packages, you need to set everything up in your user's crontab, manually) 21:37 pablito you are right 21:37 pablito :-) 21:37 pablito great! 21:38 pablito now, I have one more annoying problem with the call number 21:38 jcamins There will be a bit of a delay, though, after you add new records, since the cron job only runs every n minutes (where n = a number I don't remember). 21:38 pablito I imported my MARC data with the 952$o tagging the call number 21:39 pablito but it would not show up in my OPAC search result 21:39 jcamins drojf: I thought you would want to know that this book was published by a German named Hearttime. 21:39 jcamins I think. 21:40 jcamins drojf: sorry, Lovetime. 21:40 jcamins pablito: so the bib shows up without a call number? 21:40 pablito well, it would show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results 21:40 pablito sorry 21:41 pablito it wouldn't 21:41 pablito it would NOT show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results 21:41 jcamins Does the item show up at all? 21:41 pablito however, it DOES show up when I click on the MARC tab under "Full Call Number" 21:42 jcamins pablito: is it possible that you actually have it in *8*52? 21:43 pablito well, for the majority of my records, I have it in both 852 and 952 21:44 jcamins Okay. I think the 952 isn't getting handled at all. Does the import report having processed items? 21:44 pablito on import, it said everything is processed 21:44 jcamins Odd. 21:44 * jcamins isn't sure what's going on. 21:45 pablito i know it does because the other subfields of 952 show up fine 21:45 jcamins Oh, okay. 21:45 pablito like the barcode 21:45 jcamins I see. 21:45 pablito and holding location 21:45 jcamins Do you have non-Latin characters in the 952$o? 21:45 pablito no, it's just Roman Numerals and numbers 21:45 jcamins Hm. 21:47 pablito but under Marc view tab, the call number is listed under "Full Call Number" column 21:48 jcamins Wow, that's really confusing. 21:48 pablito it doesn't even show up in the Admin side either 21:49 jcamins I'm not sure what it is, so I'd suggest checking the channel later, or next week, since it's 4:50 on a Friday here, and already the weekend in Europe and Oceania. 21:51 pablito ok, thanks 21:51 pablito appreciate your help 21:52 jcamins Is the call number missing on all records, or just some? 21:53 pablito 99% of the records have call number 21:54 pablito out of 36,000 records, maybe only 2 or 3 have no call number 21:55 pablito anyway, I will follow up with this issue later 21:56 pablito but can you check my crontab job to see if it's correct? Because a few days ago I had to do a manual zebra rebuild to be able to search for records 21:57 pablito */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra -q $(koha-list --enabled) 21:57 pablito */15 * * * * root koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl 21:58 jcamins Yeah, that looks good. 21:59 jcamins If you did a really huge import, though, the cron job can get stuffed up because multiple jobs are trying to run at once. 22:00 pablito ah, that's probably why 22:01 pablito 36,400 records 22:01 jcamins Yup, that'll do it. 22:01 jcamins Often I just turn off the cron job when doing imports that big, and reindex when they're done. 22:01 jcamins And- it's the weekend! Woohoo! 22:01 pablito hehe 22:02 pablito have a great weekend jcamins! 22:02 jcamins You too. 22:02 pablito today is the feast of Santa Claus so ho ho ho 22:02 pablito :-D 23:00 * wizzyrea waves 23:09 * pianohacker waves wizzyrea 23:27 * cait-m__ waves 23:28 pianohacker nice username 23:36 talljoy hey #koha 23:37 pianohacker hey talljoy 23:37 wahanui i think talljoy is one of the few women that can see eye to eye with druthb. Almost all the others need to stand on a box. 23:37 pianohacker pfft 23:37 talljoy got a question about about the batch patron deletion/anonymization tool. when a patron is 'permanently deleted' is it still stored in deleted patrons? 23:37 talljoy deleted_borrowers, i mean. 23:39 talljoy nevermind, read the code. these suckers are gone gone