Time  Nick            Message
00:37 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:37 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010)
00:38 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:38 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
00:38 wizzyrea        mmmm bacon
00:52 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:52 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
00:52 eythian         I assume you had to be there.
00:53 wizzyrea        no clue on that one.
00:53 wizzyrea        it's quote #1
00:54 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:54 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #274: "eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea" (added by wizzyrea at 04:20 AM, September 02, 2013)
00:55 eythian         I might have said that, but right now I'm messing on production...
00:55 wizzyrea        it's a *guideline*
00:55 wizzyrea        besides, rules are made to be broken
00:56 wizzyrea        (especially when you are well versed in the rules)
00:56 wizzyrea        (as you are)
00:56 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:56 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
00:56 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:56 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
00:56 wizzyrea        ask?
00:56 wahanui         Don't ask to ask, just ask.
00:57 wizzyrea        can I ask a question?
00:57 wizzyrea        can I ask a question is <reply> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
00:57 wizzyrea        can I ask a question?
00:57 wizzyrea        bother.
00:59 wizzyrea        @quote random
00:59 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010)
00:59 wahanui         i already had it that way, huginn.
00:59 wizzyrea        @quote delete 92
00:59 huginn          wizzyrea: downloading the Perl source
00:59 wizzyrea        @quote
00:59 huginn          wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
01:00 wizzyrea        @quote help
01:00 huginn          wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
01:00 wizzyrea        hrmph.
02:40 wizzyrea        gosh, where is everybody.
03:01 eythian         @later tell gmcharlt can you please push bug 11284 for me?
03:01 huginn          eythian: The operation succeeded.
03:56 dcook           Afternoon #koha
03:57 dcook           Just letting you all know that you're wonderful and awesome and stuff
04:01 wizzyrea        golly, well you're not so bad yourself.
04:02 dcook           Just glad to be on board!
04:16 WaylonR         hiya all!
04:36 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
04:43 WaylonR         hey mtompset
04:43 wahanui         mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
04:43 mtompset        Greetings, WaylonR. Not tonight, thanks for the reminder. ;)
04:44 mtompset        I think I may get to it tomorrow.
04:44 mtompset        No promises, just best guesses.
04:44 WaylonR         what minsitry is wahanui referring to, anyway?
04:47 mtompset        I'll private chat with you about it. No sense flooding the logs with it. :)
05:21 mtompset        Have a great day, #koha WaylonR.
05:24 mtompset        https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1466046_329334733875452_713624449_n.jpg
05:24 mtompset        (thought the channel might like the "Christmas" tree)
05:52 mtj             hey peeps, its is possible to craft a URL to search an ISBN, in Koha?
05:53 dcook           Probs
05:53 dcook           -> /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=nb&q=123456789&limit=
05:55 mtj             ahh, idx=nb
05:55 mtj             nb  ==  isbn ?
05:56 dcook           At least in 3.8.0
05:56 dcook           It's possible that someone has updated that, but that's what one of my instances says
05:58 mtj             dcook++ works nicely :)
05:59 dcook           Sweet. I'm glad it worked :)
05:59 mtj             im sure i've discovered and forgotten that about 5 times, in the last 5 years
06:05 mtj             dcook, pushing my luck here… do you recall an index for ISSN too?
06:09 dcook           ns
06:10 dcook           Btw, I'm just looking at the source html on the search and advanced search of the OPAC for these :p
06:10 dcook           A person could use records.abs or the DOM equivalent too, of course..
06:22 mtj             awesome dcook++, thanks again :)
06:22 dcook           np :)
06:48 * cait          waves good morning
06:48 dcook           hey ya cait
07:49 reiveune        hello
07:49 wahanui         hello, reiveune
08:03 tester          Hi, is there anyone willing to help me with importing access library to koha please? Im having difficulty while importing..
08:12 * cait          waves
08:15 gaetan_B        hello
08:16 cait            hi gaetan_B :)
08:18 gaetan_B        hi cait:) wie geht's ?
08:35 gaetan_B        hmm is there a bug in 3.12 when cancelling holds ?
08:35 cait            gaetan_B: hm haven't heard of one yet - what's the behaviour?
08:36 gaetan_B        i cancel the holds in the circulation interface, on the biblio record page, there are no reservations displayed, but it stays on the patron card, no matter how many times i try to cancel them !
08:37 cait            that doesn't sound too good
08:37 gaetan_B        it might be that the customer i am testing this at did some strange things with the database before though
08:37 cait            maybe try a fresh hold and cancel it?
08:37 cait            on another database, just to check?
08:40 gaetan_B        hmmf definitely something worng in the database : i made anoter reservation for another patron in the same one, and was able to cancel it, so i guess there was some manual intervention in there deleting lines at one point
08:40 gaetan_B        and the reservations displayed on a biblio record don't come from the same table as the ones displayed on a patron record then, which is weird
08:42 cait            that really is
08:42 cait            iw oudl think both should come from reserves
08:42 cait            that's the only place where we can get the info from
08:42 cait            maybe it's a broken line in there?
08:42 cait            you could look up reserves with the borrowernumber maybe
08:47 gaetan_B        well the only obvious differences in the table between a reservation i could cancel and the ones that persist are that the reservenotes are empty for the persisting ones (it was null for the other one) and the content of the constrainttype column, which is "a" for the persisting ones (was "o" for the other one) i don't really know what this column is
08:49 cait            hmm
08:50 cait            is it a serial?
08:50 cait            i think the only other constrainttype i have encounteres so far was seirals trying to put holds on issues
08:50 cait            and that is not really working currently :(
08:50 cait            but it led to weird holds
08:52 gaetan_B        the one i could cancel was a serial
08:53 cait            did it have a subscription linked to it?
08:53 gaetan_B        another difference is that the one that persist are for a specific item (i.e. reserves.itemnumber is not null)
08:53 cait            there is a pref to turn off that it tries to do holds for people on a routing list
08:53 gaetan_B        i see
08:53 gaetan_B        i don't think this is the case here though
08:53 cait            hm ok
09:00 gaetan_B        thinking of a more brutal solution : is the only consequence of deleting those reservers directly in the database that i am not going to have them in old_reserves ?
09:03 gaetan_B        hmm and if i check one of the books in, i don't get a message saying koha found a reservation for it, so it's not looking in the reserves table to find this information ?
09:03 gaetan_B        that would be really strange...
09:10 gaetan_B        that's what i get in the error log :
09:10 gaetan_B        [Wed Nov 27 10:08:45 2013] [error] [client 138.195.9.7] [Wed Nov 27 10:08:45 2013] modrequest.pl: Use of uninitialized value within @itemnumber in string ne at /home/koha/kohaclone/reserve/modrequest.pl line 69, <DATA> line 581., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=861
09:12 gaetan_B        wow this is much uglier than i thought
09:13 gaetan_B        the biblionumber in the reserves table is not the one displayed in the patrons holds tab O_o
09:13 gaetan_B        i do see the hold when i look at the right bibliographic record
09:15 gaetan_B        i have no idea where this other number comes from, it seems this display is fetching information from somewhere else than the reserves table
09:19 gaetan_B        well, i cancelled the reservations from the biblio records and my problem is solved, i am not exactly satisfied with this though...
09:23 cait            gaetan_B: i think deleting from reserves shoudl be save
10:45 slef            Hi.  Is anyone here from Indian Agricultural Statistics Research Institute (IASRI) PUSA?
10:56 cait            slef: I don't think there is
10:56 cait            very seldomly someone from india and probably a bad time now
11:04 slef            cait: someone from that place just tried to upload a huge marc file that took the demo offline, so I was hoping I could talk with them before banning them and/or limiting upload size.
11:11 cait            slef: understandable
11:11 cait            and nice, but ihaven't seen someone. maybe there is an email somewhere?
11:12 slef            yeah maybe but I'll wait and ban if they reoffend
11:12 slef            probably with a nice "please email us" sign
11:12 cait            you could put a note on the front page :)
11:14 slef            good idea
11:14 slef            add it as a news item
12:08 gaetan_B        bye !
12:23 pug             Im from India - not IASRI though -
12:24 pug             slef - you wish to connect with the  at IASRI?
12:25 pug             I can possibly help with that -
12:26 pug             slef - which server/demo-installation is this?
12:27 slef            pug: http://library.software.coop demo
12:28 slef            pug: but not a problem. I'll put a notice up
12:28 pug             k - let me know if you feel compelled to reach out - I can have someone look for the right person there- and then connect you.
13:42 cait            nengard: around?
13:42 nengard         yup
13:43 cait            could you take a look at the proposed change on 6837? I think it needs to be a pref to be sure
13:43 cait            but not sure if I am too strict
13:43 nengard         bug 6837
13:43 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6837 normal, P5 - low, ---, barry, Needs Signoff , When AllowOnShelfHolds is OFF then holds on records with available items should not be possible
13:54 nengard         sorry had to run the pups out - reading now
14:00 cait            np
14:01 nengard         cait added my 2 cents
14:08 cait            thx
14:35 slef            @search Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819
14:35 huginn          slef: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
14:35 slef            @query Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819
14:35 huginn          slef: No results for "Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819."
14:35 slef            @query Wide character in compress
14:35 huginn          slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Signed Off , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
15:13 cait            Joubu++
15:35 gmcharlt        @quote random
15:35 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out how to do 1 million things at once... and if she will release the source code or not" (added by jdavidb at 05:02 PM, June 21, 2010)
15:38 gmcharlt        @later tell eythian will you please supply a 3.14.x patch for 11284 that applies cleanly to that branch?
15:38 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
15:44 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11284: Packaging updates for master branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8067a798c9cf5c7d6f8797b75649903b42a4a3c2>
15:45 * cait          offers gmcharlt cookies
15:47 gmcharlt        yum!
15:48 jenkins_koha    Starting build #238 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:52 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1526 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:54 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7143: Cleaning up docs/history.txt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52ddf688448eaa5acffdc531f748f336babded5e> / Bug 7143: New release team for Koha 3.16 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68a0164e22593ba0d9f958d9a11ac7fc42c830a7>
16:06 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11308: fix RSS page in bootstrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71a3516d211600d35e4ddeef45f5403affc09598>
16:08 reiveune        bye
16:40 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #238: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/238/
16:40 jenkins_koha    * Robin Sheat: Bug 11284: Packaging updates for master branch
16:40 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: New release team for Koha 3.16
16:40 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: Cleaning up docs/history.txt
16:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11284 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , Package related updates for the new release
16:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
16:40 jenkins_koha    Starting build #239 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:56 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11304: fix display of detail page holdings tab in translated Bootstrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b80e77f84dd864342220b89acd1210ac53a3f70> / Bug 11283: make restriction type translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a76f4298c0fb298cca0db31b04c0d8d5c028531>
17:31 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #239: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/239/
17:31 jenkins_koha    Chris Cormack: Bug 11308: fix RSS page in bootstrap theme
17:31 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , RSS feed is slightly broken in bootstrap theme
17:31 jenkins_koha    Starting build #240 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:42 chris_n         off topic question: any suggestions on a well-developed open source webmail system?
17:52 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1526: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1526/
17:52 jenkins_koha    * Robin Sheat: Bug 11284: Packaging updates for master branch
17:52 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: New release team for Koha 3.16
17:52 jenkins_koha    * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7143: Cleaning up docs/history.txt
17:52 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11284 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , Package related updates for the new release
17:52 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
17:55 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1527 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:58 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11105: wrap places OPAC facet in a span <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9900b0d35bcd27483355f19985a9669e1c884e2> / Bug 11275: (follow-up) update DBIC schema class files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f4b0a5064a97f775ada288d0269c4891589da4c> / Bug 11275: DBRev 3.15.00.002 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a838acf6a6ed536db
18:11 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11286: fix bug preventing adding a new subfield to an authority framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c50683e0d6412b29144962e7f5d539fec28da04> / Bug 11171: (follow-up) fix a javascript error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5281fd41ec4b2f0c497d75550e2c865d96183d8> / Bug 11171: Display basket group name on the supplier list page <http://git.koha-commu
18:21 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #240: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/240/
18:21 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11283: make restriction type translatable
18:21 jenkins_koha    * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11304: fix display of detail page holdings tab in translated Bootstrap theme
18:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11283 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Restriction type is not translatable
18:21 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap OPAC detail page doesn't display holding tabs properly
18:22 jenkins_koha    Starting build #241 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:27 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
18:28 mtompset        Anyone want a tiny bug to sign off? ;)
18:28 druthb          http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nope.gif
18:29 * mtompset      laughs.
18:29 mtompset        Greetings, druthb.
18:30 druthb          hi, mtompset! :)
18:31 mtompset        Greetings, nengard cait. :)
18:31 cait            hi mtompset
18:31 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11214: improve create/edit routing list links in serial collection page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c631934de5adf5c8d9d35aaaf94a19134f4a166>
18:34 nengard         hiya
18:34 * chris_n       finds it interesting that one cannot simply add new keywords to the keywords field in BZ
18:35 chris_n         it appears one must select only keywords which have been added to a list administratively
18:35 chris_n         seems a bit inconvenient
18:35 cait            you can use tags
18:35 mtompset        Slightly, but I would think it would help clarify things together.
18:35 cait            those are uncontrolled :)
18:36 mtompset        I think of C4/Auth.pm and someone else thinks of C4::Auth, and someone else thinks of Auth module, etc.
18:36 chris_n         having a zillion tags render them useless thought, don't you think?
18:36 chris_n         I think most sites which allow the use of keywords allow the user to add whatever
18:37 cait            hm not sure i understand the problems with tags
18:37 cait            tags are also personal
18:37 wahanui         okay, cait.
18:37 cait            keywords are public
18:38 chris_n         that's what I need, public not personal
18:38 chris_n         keywords help searches return more relevant results
18:38 cait            what's the keyword you have i nmind?
18:38 cait            i think gmcharlt or rangi could add it
18:38 chris_n         lots
18:38 chris_n         too much trouble :P
18:39 cait            you could add them in a comment
18:40 chris_n         right, but then why have a keyword field? (playing the devil's advocate here)
18:40 cait            chris_n: you won't suggest cataloguing our bugs in MARc... right?
18:40 chris_n         LOL
18:40 cait            :)
18:40 gmcharlt        @quote add <cait> you won't suggest cataloguing our bugs in MARC... right?
18:40 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #284 added.
18:41 cait            heh
18:41 chris_n         then we could use koha as our bug tracker, heh?
18:41 cait            how cool would that be!
18:41 cait            :P
18:41 * gmcharlt      knows of at least one vendor that used a fork of their ILS as their customer ticket system for a while
18:42 gmcharlt        I do not particular recommend it :)
18:42 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7484: keep selected values when changing search type on authority search form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=85642ededaf71b0a67805151937014f42deea2dd>
18:42 cait            i know one where the bug tracker is integrated
18:42 chris_n         well, it would allow for things like 'click here for an illustration of this bug'
18:42 chris_n         and such
18:44 chris_n         gmcharlt: what do you think of a call number splitting option which would allow the user to define a regexp for use via a syspref
18:45 cait            i would like it
18:45 cait            most libraries here have their own classifications
18:45 cait            neither using ddc nor loc...
18:45 gmcharlt        chris_n: no particular objection, though hopefully we can avoid forcing most libraries to have to use it
18:45 cait            and i havde one that would like to leave out the last x letters or something from the labels
18:46 chris_n         it may not be too difficult to allow them to enter N regexp's for any number of custom splits
18:46 chris_n         I'm thinking of those who decide to muck with the "standards"
18:46 chris_n         it really is hard to anticipate every possible numbering system :-)
18:46 cait            but would it work for those who have their own standard too? :)
18:47 gmcharlt        chris_n: re bug tagging, I've enabled the "status whiteboard" option
18:47 chris_n         cait: assuming someone could write a regexp to split it, yes
18:47 gmcharlt        this adds a field that allows free-text data entry, and is meant for publicly accessible tags and status information
18:47 cait            most of them have some kind of structure, so I am hopeful
18:47 chris_n         cool
18:49 cait            gmcharlt++
18:49 chris_n         gmcharlt: so is this field searched in the bugzilla simple search?
18:49 gmcharlt        chris_n: let's see
18:50 gmcharlt        chris_n: yep, looks that way
18:50 chris_n         fantastic
18:54 chris_n         hmm... I see the problem now... the simple search does not include resolved bugs
18:54 chris_n         not sure of the best way to avoid that sort of thing
18:57 cait            chris_n: just type ALL at the beginning
18:57 cait            then it will include the closed ones as well
19:00 chris_n         cait++
19:00 cait            :)
19:00 chris_n         that solves the problem nicely
19:00 * chris_n       hands cait a peanut butter cookie with receis (SP) pieces on top
19:01 cait            receis?
19:01 chris_n         hmmm
19:01 chris_n         those chocolate coated candies with peanut butter in the middle sort of like M&Ms
19:01 * chris_n       can't spell
19:02 cait            we do't have a lot of peanut butter sweets here
19:02 cait            do you mean reeses? tht looks wrong too heh
19:02 chris_n         wow
19:02 rambutan        peanut brittle?
19:02 chris_n         yeah
19:02 gmcharlt        Reeses </pedantic>
19:02 chris_n         man did I butcher that one
19:02 gmcharlt        er, also redundant
19:02 cait            i like those - thank you :)
19:02 gmcharlt        oops
19:02 cait            I didn't have the capital R :)
19:03 mtompset        Why is the default level of a bug listed as enhancement?
19:03 * chris_n       has a strong dislike for peanut butter and has been looking to get rid of these cookies all day
19:03 cait            lol
19:03 cait            you can give me all of them then :)
19:03 * chris_n       hands over the whole bag :)
19:03 * gmcharlt      dives in at the moment of handoff and grabs a couple
19:03 cait            hehe
19:04 * cait          offers the bag to gmcharlt
19:04 * gmcharlt      takes a few, more politely this time
19:04 gmcharlt        ;)
19:04 cait            ;)
19:04 chris_n         lol
19:05 mtompset        http://youtu.be/FgpgNqxbe0E
19:05 mtompset        (all your cookies are belong to me)
19:06 * chris_n       tries to imagine a blue fuzzy gmcharlt gobbling cookies up
19:06 cait            *giggles*
19:08 gmcharlt        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw
19:12 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #241: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/241/
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11275: make deleteditems.materials be of type text
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11275: DBRev 3.15.00.002
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11275: (follow-up) update DBIC schema class files
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Rachel Dustin: Bug 11105: wrap places OPAC facet in a span
19:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , make deleteditems.materials of type text
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11171: Display basket group name on the supplier list page
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11171: (follow-up) fix a javascript error
19:12 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11286: fix bug preventing adding a new subfield to an authority framework
19:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11105 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , label - opac - places on facets not easily css selectable
19:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11171 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The basket group is not displayed on the supplier list page
19:12 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11286 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Bug 10602 prevents to create new subfields in authorities
19:13 jenkins_koha    Starting build #242 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:53 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1527: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1527/
19:53 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 11308: fix RSS page in bootstrap theme
19:53 jenkins_koha    * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11283: make restriction type translatable
19:53 jenkins_koha    * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11304: fix display of detail page holdings tab in translated Bootstrap theme
19:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11308 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , RSS feed is slightly broken in bootstrap theme
19:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11283 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Restriction type is not translatable
19:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap OPAC detail page doesn't display holding tabs properly
19:55 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1528 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:03 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #242: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/242/
20:03 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11214: improve create/edit routing list links in serial collection page
20:03 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7484: keep selected values when changing search type on authority search form
20:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11214 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Allow create routing list in serial collection page
20:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Keeping typed values when searching for authorities
20:19 SlyzertVoltrond how do i change the opac koha logo to a different size image in bootstrap theme?
20:20 SlyzertVoltrond i tried changing it in css, can't get it to work
20:21 * wizzyrea      hasn't ever tried to do it
20:21 wizzyrea        also good morning.
20:23 SlyzertVoltrond it's 4am+ here ;)
20:23 cait            hm thought oleonard had some hints somewhere about customizing the new opac
20:23 cait            but can't find it
20:24 SlyzertVoltrond really?
20:24 SlyzertVoltrond i'll try to look for it
20:24 wizzyrea        probably on his blog
20:25 cait            hm looks like an old entry only
20:25 cait            weird
20:25 cait            i didn't find it with a search for bootstrap
20:25 cait            but with google
20:25 cait            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bootstrap_OPAC
20:26 cait            hm nothing about the logos yet, but maybe some helpful pointers about hte structure in general
20:27 wizzyrea        mmm
20:27 SlyzertVoltrond yeah, already check it
20:27 SlyzertVoltrond unfornately didn't help much in my case
20:53 rangi           heh, i kinda like how catamount do all their planning on a publicly archived mailing list :)
20:55 wizzyrea        hey, koha is all about openness.
20:56 trea            :)
21:02 cait            catamount?
21:04 rangi           see the koha list
21:04 cait            ooh
21:05 cait            do you think we should point it out? or just show up for the meeting? :)
21:05 rangi           heh
21:05 rangi           i think wizzyrea is gonna drop them a mail
21:06 wizzyrea        I emailed them.
21:20 rangi           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMhiFoEjXc4  <-- needs sound
21:21 jcamins         Hm. Fennel salad with cranberry is interesting.
21:21 cait            hi peggy
21:22 cait            jcamins: interesting good or interesting bad?
21:22 jcamins         Good.
21:22 peggy           Hi Cait!  How's things?
21:22 cait            peggy: did you see your patch was pushed? and congrats :)
21:22 jcamins         But it's almost like a completely different recipe.
21:22 peggy           Yes.  I was so excited.  It is in 3.10, too!   Now I just need to get it into 3.12 because that's the version I'll be on very soon.
21:23 wizzyrea        which bug?
21:23 cait            hm think only in 3.14 so far?
21:23 peggy           11040?
21:23 cait            bug 11040? :)
21:23 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11040 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, p.thrasher, Pushed to Master , Add option to print regular slip to CircAutoPrintQuickSlip
21:24 rangi           peggy: tcohen is on his honeymoon, but im if you ask him nicely, he might cherry-pick it back to 3.12.x
21:24 SlyzertVoltrond a quick question
21:24 rangi           (when he gets back that is ;))
21:24 SlyzertVoltrond which part do i have to modify in css if i want to shave off the top and bottom margin between koha logo and the blue header in old "prog" theme?
21:24 peggy           Do I need to test it in 3.12?
21:24 SlyzertVoltrond i hope i'm making sense
21:25 peggy           Or make the edits in the specific 3.12 version?
21:25 cait            peggy: only if it doesn't apply
21:25 wizzyrea        usually, if it applies to prior versions the rmaints will grab it and add it without you having to do anything.
21:25 wizzyrea        but it's kind of a feature, so I'm not sure they will
21:26 jcamins         wizzyrea: if it was backported to 3.10, it'll get backported to 3.12.
21:26 peggy           That's pretty sweet!
21:26 wizzyrea        it hasn't been backported to anything, yet (according to bugzilla)
21:26 wizzyrea        it's pretty new though
21:26 peggy           I thought it was in 3.10...
21:26 wizzyrea        nope, 3.14
21:26 jcamins         wizzyrea: oh. Never mind then. I thought Peggy said it was in 3.10.
21:26 peggy           OK.
21:27 rangi           https://www.irccloud.com/  <-- coolish idea
21:27 wizzyrea        you could ask on the bug if it is going to be backported
21:27 wizzyrea        *nod*
21:27 peggy           That I can do...  Good idea
21:27 wizzyrea        that one's fuzzy, it's kind of a feature, but it's kind of a bug.
21:27 wizzyrea        bugs get backported, features don't
21:27 peggy           Exactly.  But if it got into 3.12 I would be a hero at my library.
21:28 wizzyrea        :)
21:28 rangi           :)
21:28 wizzyrea        can't hurt to ask
21:28 wizzyrea        you have a patch in Koha, you're a hero already :)
21:28 peggy           Gee, thanks!!
21:28 * cait          agrees with wizzyrea
21:29 peggy           The next thing I'll look at is either notices or fines.
21:29 bag             peggy++
21:29 peggy           Which needs more attention?
21:29 rangi           peggy: did you see you are on the dashboard page?
21:29 wizzyrea        you should be aware there's an accounts rewrite in progress.
21:29 rangi           http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
21:29 wahanui         http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise
21:29 wizzyrea        notices.
21:29 wahanui         notices are all the defaults, they look fine.
21:29 bag             ah peggy khall_away is currently rewriting the fines module
21:29 wizzyrea        forget notices
21:29 wahanui         wizzyrea: I forgot notices
21:30 cait            the account rewrite needs testing probably - so that would be good too
21:30 bag             so hopefully that passes things quickly
21:30 wizzyrea        yep, testing would be helpful for fines.
21:30 wizzyrea        not so much fixing things, not on the current system.
21:30 peggy           The problem with notices is that many/most are not configurable by branch, and it was really unclear to me how to set them up.
21:30 cait            hm which version are you on currently peggy?
21:30 peggy           I could help test.
21:31 wizzyrea        yea, geez, most of them are configurable by branch now.
21:31 peggy           3.10.  Soon to be 3.12
21:31 cait            hm the notices rewrite is in 3.10
21:31 cait            are you thinking about a specific notice?
21:31 wizzyrea        ^^
21:31 eythian         hi
21:31 bag             yes they are configurable by branch
21:31 wizzyrea        sup eythian
21:31 cait            hi eythian
21:31 bag             heya eythian
21:31 wahanui         eythian is an expert bot trainer
21:32 peggy           Particularly due and predue.
21:32 wizzyrea        both of those are configurable by branch
21:33 peggy           I have not been able to make it work.  There is a question about whether the notices for different branches should have the same code.
21:33 wizzyrea        the short version is - you go to notices and slips, look for DUE say "copy to <branch>
21:33 wizzyrea        then edit the new one.
21:33 peggy           But that isn't the one that is sent.
21:33 wizzyrea        yes, they would have to have the same code. ^ that way is easiest
21:34 eythian         SlyzertVoltrond: You'd probably need to find a web designery person, or spend a while messing around with it and firebug, to figure that out.
21:34 wizzyrea        is the borrower a member of the library the notice is for?
21:34 peggy           But we had some problem with overdues where we needed to give each a different name.  because other wise they were being sent with no data on the items due.
21:34 wizzyrea        errr
21:34 peggy           Yes, they should always be.
21:35 peggy           So what I'm saying is that it looks simple and logical, but it didn't seem to work as advertised.
21:35 wizzyrea        that doesn't seem like standard behaviour. Were you trained in using the notices at all?
21:35 peggy           We were told to copy the notices to the different branches and then edit them.  Which we did.
21:36 peggy           What training would be helpful?
21:36 bag             which seems right to me peggy
21:36 wizzyrea        just curious - because I haven't seen it not work in that way.
21:36 SlyzertVoltrond eythian: ok, thanks
21:37 peggy           The overdues could be customized, and the correct notice was sent, but we had a bunch of times where the title, author, callnumber etc. was missing.  So the message said something like "return your late stuff:  ,,:barcode;"
21:37 wizzyrea        cait - have you ever seen that problem?
21:37 peggy           or something like that.
21:38 cait            hm
21:38 wizzyrea        i mean, we've seen the "no item data in notices" thing
21:38 cait            we don't have a case yet where we have different notices for different branches
21:38 wizzyrea        it's always bad formatting
21:38 cait            because they are coming from 3.6
21:38 wizzyrea        of the <item></item> tag
21:38 cait            i think for overdues it makes sense
21:38 cait            it does probably not find the right notice or something, and it should be no problem to name them differently
21:39 cait            because then you can use the notice triggers easily to configure
21:39 cait            for due and predue i assume the code must be the same
21:39 cait            for all different branches
21:39 peggy           Right.  We did name them differently, and I don't think we've seen that problem since.
21:39 cait            because it especially looks for the code
21:39 wizzyrea        ^
21:39 cait            i haven't tested it myself tho
21:39 wizzyrea        certainly we don't have bugs for those things
21:39 wizzyrea        so file them ;)
21:39 peggy           We haven't been able to get predue or due notices customized.
21:40 cait            i remember kyle? added a red note to some notice templates about branches
21:40 cait            in 3.12/3.14
21:40 cait            going to take a look at that
21:40 peggy           Yes, that the branch info will be for the patron's home branch.
21:40 cait            i thin it might be a difference if you send digests or not
21:41 cait            hm that's what the new note on Due Digest says:
21:41 cait            arning, this is a template for a Digest, as such,  any references to branch data ( e.g. branches.branchname ) will refer to  the borrower's home branch.
21:41 cait            so nothing about it not working for different branches
21:41 cait            if it doesn't i would really recommend filing a bug
21:41 cait            because the interface says it should, so it should
21:41 cait            or we need to fix
21:41 peggy           Why would anyone want to send an indvidual predue/due notices?
21:41 cait            peggy: we have libraries doing that, but i don't recommend it
21:42 cait            i guess they think it's harder to delete by accident if you spam with 20 mails at once? :)
21:42 peggy           Drives my patrons nuts!  But I think that I've finally figured out the digest stuff.  And I'll roll that out next week.
21:43 cait            :)
21:43 peggy           Where can I find out about running the cron job by hand on my test system?  In the real world my support company  has control over that.
21:44 rangi           peggy: in /etc/cron.d/koha-common
21:44 rangi           /etc/cron.daily/koha-common
21:44 rangi           and cron.hourly too
21:45 rangi           on your test box, that will have the cron jobs
21:45 cait            you can run them with -h to see what options you can use
21:46 peggy           OK.  I'll play with that a bit.  See if I can get some good test cases that either show that it works or that it doesn't.
21:53 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1528: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1528/
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11275: make deleteditems.materials be of type text
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11275: DBRev 3.15.00.002
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11275: (follow-up) update DBIC schema class files
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Rachel Dustin: Bug 11105: wrap places OPAC facet in a span
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , make deleteditems.materials of type text
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11171: Display basket group name on the supplier list page
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11171: (follow-up) fix a javascript error
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11286: fix bug preventing adding a new subfield to an authority framework
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11214: improve create/edit routing list links in serial collection page
21:53 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7484: keep selected values when changing search type on authority search form
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11105 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , label - opac - places on facets not easily css selectable
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11171 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The basket group is not displayed on the supplier list page
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11286 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Bug 10602 prevents to create new subfields in authorities
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11214 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Allow create routing list in serial collection page
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Keeping typed values when searching for authorities
22:17 cait            good night all
22:36 ibeardslee      http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/nov/25/young-adult-readers-prefer-printed-ebooks
22:38 dcook           Interesting read, ibeardslee
22:40 eythian         I was wondering what a printed ebook was...
22:40 aorangi         this irccloud thing is kinda cool, doubt id pay for it when its out of beta tho, i can do the same as it with bip for free
22:41 dcook           eythian: Same
22:41 dcook           aorangi: irccloud?
22:41 aorangi         https://www.irccloud.com
22:44 dcook           I suppose 5/month could be cheaper than running a server with bip on it though, if that was the only thing you wanted
22:44 dcook           I wouldn't do it though
22:44 wizzyrea        yea if you've already got a server to run bip on, just do that.
22:46 aorangi         yep
22:48 rambutan        I checked the irccloud link, couldn't figure out why I'd want it. "Stay connected even while offline"???
22:50 rangi           yep
22:50 rangi           thats what i do
22:52 dcook           It's handy if you want to see what people are saying without trawling the HTML logs
22:52 wizzyrea        me too.
22:52 * dcook         doesn't necessarily have a server to run bip (or any other irc bouncer on), so he doesn't
22:53 ibeardslee      do you have a PC that is 'always on'?
22:54 dcook           Nope
22:54 dcook           In theory, I could leave my system at home on all the time, but...
22:55 ibeardslee      a raspberry pi on all the time?
22:55 dcook           On the list of things to do ;)
22:56 dcook           To use it, I assume I'd have to open up the server to the internet as well. I'm still not sure what I think about doing that.
22:57 ibeardslee      I have just my ssh port open from the internet
22:57 ibeardslee      I run irssi in screen
22:58 ibeardslee      ssh in with my ssh keys and run screen
22:58 dcook           Hmm. Makes sense.
22:58 ibeardslee      fail2ban helps slow down idiots trying to connect to my ssh port
22:58 dcook           That would be the thing I would be less happy about
22:59 dcook           Hmm fail2ban sounds handy..
23:00 dcook           I occasionally think about serving up content from home as well, although it would probably just always be test systems
23:00 dcook           Need to sit down and read up more about opening up port 80
23:01 eythian         it's fairly straight forward.
23:02 jcamins         eythian: unless you're in the US.
23:02 ibeardslee      of course even better would be to ignore port 80 and go to port 443
23:02 jcamins         ibeardslee: unless you're in the US.
23:02 eythian         jcamins: dcook is in .au I think.
23:02 jcamins         In which case port 8443 is a good choice.
23:02 jcamins         eythian: I know.
23:02 jcamins         That was for the logs.
23:03 eythian         oh ah
23:03 dcook           Mmm, good call ibeardslee.
23:04 dcook           I suppose I still have paranoid visions about opening up my home network.
23:05 ibeardslee      'should' be ok as long as you maintain updates and apply the same sort of logic and paranoia you would to a production server
23:06 dcook           That's where things fall apart for me. I "think" I maintain updates, but I'm not entirely sure about the logic and paranoia needed for a production server.
23:06 dcook           Aside from perhaps using things like fail2ban, monitoring logs/traffic, and having solid passwords
23:06 dcook           Using encryption and ssh keys wherever possible
23:06 wizzyrea        using key logins instead of passwords.
23:07 dcook           I like the idea of eythian's yubikey as well
23:08 eythian         that doesn't make the connection or internet interface any stronger, it just prevents keylogging getting your password.
23:12 dcook           Seems pretty important. All the security in the world isn't going to do much good if a person has your password.
23:13 dcook           Well, to a degree, I suppose...