Time  Nick            Message
00:37 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
00:37 mtompset        @seen cait
00:37 huginn          mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <cait> lol
00:37 mtompset        @seen kf
00:37 huginn          mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <kf> bye all
02:42 mtompset        @seen wizzyrea
02:43 huginn          mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> git checkout -b blah --track origin/v3.14.00
02:43 mtompset        Wow. I remember that, I believe.
03:42 mtompset        Greetings, dcook.
03:42 * dcook         waves
03:46 mtompset        dcook: Are you super busy today?
03:46 dcook           Pretty much. Pretty much.
05:02 mtompset        http://hadihariri.com/2013/11/24/refactoring-to-functionalwhy-class/ (some coding humour)
05:26 mtompset        Have a great day, #koha dcook. :)
05:29 eythian         [off] Sneak peak at two library themes we're just about to put on a new site: http://stdc.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/ & http://stratford.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/
05:29 eythian         [off] they're one koha system, and the theme depends on what URL you hit.
05:30 eythian         [off] s/new site/existing site that's merging with another library/
06:06 mtj             eythian, me like! :)
06:09 mtj             ...a good solution to the difficult-to-skin default koha theme
06:10 mtj             the header area, specifically
06:23 cait            bgkriegel++
07:42 reiveune        hello
07:55 gaetan_B        hello
08:01 alex_a          bonjour
08:28 cait            good morning #koha
08:46 marcelr         hi #koha
09:23 cait            hi marcelr :)
09:23 marcelr         hi cait
10:29 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
10:41 mtompset        @seen cait
10:41 huginn          mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <cait> hi marcelr :)
10:41 mtompset        @seen kf
10:41 huginn          mtompset: kf was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <kf> bye all
10:51 mtompset        Is it me, or is the seriously lack of validation of options causing tools/inventory.pl to process to the point of script timeout?
12:02 * uhusiano      slaps chris_n around a bit with a large fishbot
12:26 mtompset        @seen wizzyrea
12:26 huginn          mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> git checkout -b blah --track origin/v3.14.00
13:27 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:54 cait            hi oleonard :)
15:40 oleonard        Hmmm... I disappear for an hour and a half and you guys are all still sleeping...
15:42 * druthb        snores like a chainsaw.
15:49 cait            we are not
15:49 cait            just trying to get another koha to work on my dev environment )
16:01 cait            hm oleonard: still around?
16:01 oleonard        Yes
16:01 oleonard        But it wasn't me.
16:01 cait            i am looking at the read only problem on the reneal and specify due date fields
16:03 cait            I removed the readonly=readonly attributes from the fields
16:03 oleonard        What are we talking about?
16:03 cait            but what puzzles me a bit is a difference in behaviour for the specify due date and the renewal date
16:04 cait            bug 10995
16:04 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10995 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility: Allow manual entry of renewal date and specific due date in circ
16:05 cait            hm first - whatever time i set for a renwal date, it seems always to turn out as 23:59
16:07 cait            hm yes. it seems to ignore the time on 3.12.5 too
16:08 cait            and i have no running master right now, but can't remember we fixed a bug there recently
16:08 cait            oleonard: I think i might have found a bug... which would explain part of the confusion I think
16:09 oleonard        I get the same problem with specify due date--it ignores the time I chose
16:09 cait            let me retest this
16:10 cait            hm checkout is ok for me
16:10 cait            i have switched back to the clean 3.12.5 now - you are checking master?
16:11 cait            checking out is ok for me, it accepts the time, the only problem there is that it defaults to 00:00 when you leave it empty
16:11 cait            i mean when you leave the time out
16:11 oleonard        I'm testing master
16:12 cait            i don't have a master installation right now, have to still set that one up
16:12 oleonard        Oh wait it is working with specify due date, sorry
16:12 cait            trying the renew again now
16:12 oleonard        And yes, it does incorrectly remember the due date even though I don't have it checked
16:12 cait            hm does not work for reneal date for me
16:13 cait            oleonard: if that is any help, it doesn't seem to happen on 3.12.5
16:13 oleonard        Specifying a renewal date and time works in 3.12.5 but not master?
16:13 cait            hm it's gone after i renew, it stays around for a moment
16:13 cait            but i think that would be ok, as long as it goes away after you left the page?
16:14 cait            nope not working here - i was talking about the too sticky due date
16:14 cait            i think it was always for the session (no matter which account you open, it will be remembered) or keep it until it's uset/patron account closed
16:14 cait            it behaves like that in 3.12.5
16:14 cait            and the renewal due date is not accepting the time for me
16:14 oleonard        Oh okay, I don't actually use it.
16:14 cait            if you have the bug number for that i can comment :)
16:15 cait            but we agree the reneal due date does not work as it should
16:15 cait            ?
16:15 oleonard        Bug 10391
16:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10391 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , specify due date remaining even if not selected
16:16 oleonard        Sounds like it works as it should, but is misunderstood
16:16 cait            i woudl guess so
16:16 nengard         oleonard - there is a checkbox to have it stay
16:16 nengard         and if you don't click that it shouldn't stay
16:16 oleonard        Anyway, the bug with the specify renewal date option is that it doesn't use the time you specify?
16:17 oleonard        nengard: "session" in this context is "while you're logged into Koha"
16:17 oleonard        nengard: Otherwise it only remembers what you chose while you're checking out to that patron
16:18 nengard         oh - then - yes it's misunderstood
16:18 oleonard        nengard: I think that is the intended behavior?
16:18 nengard         i'm not sure how it was supposed to work - but that's not how people were reading that checkbox
16:19 oleonard        cait: I can confirm that in master the "specify renewal date" option does not respect the time chosen, only the date
16:20 cait            nengard: session has a different meaning i think
16:20 nengard         yup
16:20 oleonard        "Remember until I log out"
16:20 cait            too long :) and awful to translate? :)
16:21 cait            nah, it would work
16:21 cait            oleonard: i will file a bug for that then...
16:21 oleonard        "Remember for session, and by session we mean while you're logged in to Koha."
16:21 cait            oleonard: could you point me maybe where i could change the default time for the plugin?
16:21 cait            I want to set it to 23:59 if possible, I thought i had seen that somewhere
16:21 cait            i like the first suggestion better
16:22 oleonard        It's the renewal option that doesn't default to 23:59?
16:23 cait            the specify due date
16:23 cait            if you type just 12/12/2013 it will default to 00:00
16:23 cait            i tried with today and it already showed as overdue
16:23 cait            so it's 'off' by one day then
16:23 cait            it seems
16:23 oleonard        Oh, because you're trying to make it user-editable.
16:23 cait            yes
16:24 cait            the library this is for can't use the javascript widget
16:24 oleonard        I assume you would have to change the "00:00" assumption on the server-side
16:24 cait            so i am trying to revert behavioru to versions before the change
16:25 cait            oleonard: hm i was hoping i could change that in the javascript maybe.
16:25 cait            aah
16:25 cait            i see what you mean
16:25 * cait          ponders
16:25 cait            that makes it harder
16:25 cait            but requiring to type 23:59 all the time might get a bit annyoing
16:25 oleonard        Agreed.
16:28 cait            oleonard: would it be hard to remove the time/hour selection from the widget?
16:28 cait            this library is not using hourly
16:29 oleonard        I don't know
16:29 oleonard        So you'd like: 1) Optional manual entry 2) Optional date-only entry (no time)
16:30 cait            hmm
16:30 cait            i think having them type only the date is the goal
16:31 cait            and trying to figure out how best to get there... ideally with a solution others can live with too
16:31 cait            and not sure how to achieve that right now
16:35 cait            actually... if the due date hat the same bug as the renewal date, it would wokr :)
16:35 cait            oleonard: sorry for thinking out loud, but thx for confirming the bug :)
16:43 cait            oleonard: I guess this is getting harder and harder - if you enter an invalid date, it explodes into a perl error page
16:44 oleonard        ...Hence the datepicker...
16:44 cait            yeah, but it must be possible to check that server side too i think
16:45 cait            and i think it does not explode in 3.6.10
16:47 cait            oleonard: nope, no explosion, but interesting: it turned 13/13/2013 into 13/01/2014
16:48 oleonard        Web developer Barbie says "Server-side validation and error-handling of user input is hard!"
16:49 cait            lol
16:56 cait            it looks like we do check for invalid dates in the code
16:56 cait            but it seems not working
16:57 reiveune        bye
17:17 mtompset        DOH!
17:19 mmm45           hello
17:19 wahanui         niihau, mmm45
17:19 mmm45           if was wondering if the problem with  Parentheses in subject headings break search was ever fixed
17:19 mmm45           our librarians keep reporting this issue
17:20 mmm45           this is the error they see: Error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426.
17:22 mmm45           the librarian said: "In the catalog, when I went to the record for The Times (The Daily Universal Register) Index, called up the complete record, and then clicked on the hotlink to one of the subjects, Times (London, England)—Indexes"
17:22 gaetan_B        bye !
17:24 chris_n         what!!! code not working?! imagine that ;-)
17:26 mmm45           yep, imagine that! ;-)
18:05 joels68         Hi Cait!
18:05 wahanui         Hi Cait! are you safely back in germany now?
18:05 cait            hi joels68
18:11 cait            wahanui: yes, have been for a looong time ;)
18:11 wahanui         cait: huh?
18:11 cait            magnus_away: no report from swib13 for us? :)
18:17 druthb          wahanui:  botsnack pizza
18:17 wahanui         thanks druthb :)
18:18 joels68         cait: When you get a chance, please look at this enhancement. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11126 :-D
18:18 huginn          04Bug 11126: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds
18:18 cait            joels68: time is a bit of a problem right now, but maybe in a week
18:19 cait            it takes quite a while to test hold things
18:19 joels68         OK. No rush, just want to get it into 3.16.
18:19 cait            it would help if you could add notes about your testing/ a detailed test plan
18:20 cait            there is some time for that :)
18:20 cait            but really - test plans help
18:21 cait            the one on the bug is a bit sparse
18:32 joels68         cait: should I work with the patch writer to come up with a more detailed test plan?
18:33 joels68         Just not sure of the procedure and etiquette on this.
18:41 cait            joels68: you could also write up how and what you testd
18:43 joels68         cait: OK. I'll run it through a sandbox again.
19:05 rangi           @later tell Joubu I think using Scalar::Util and reftype is nicer than the blacklist/whitelist approach http://perldoc.perl.org/Scalar/Util.html if you agree, can you obsolete your patch, mark that bug wontfix and start a new bug, ill add the patch to that, 6554 is too long to be useful anymore
19:05 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:06 oleonard        Hi rangi
19:07 rangi           hi oleonard
19:07 rangi           morning all
19:07 rambutan        afternoon rambutan
19:07 rambutan        yea, autocomplete
19:07 rambutan        afternoon rangi
19:10 cait            morning rangi
19:23 yhager          Our library wants to implement a grace period of 30 days to patrons who didn't pay the membership fee. Is three way to implement that (still on 3.10.. can upgrade if needed)
19:26 cait            what would the grace period mean?
19:27 cait            you could make your enrollment 1 month longer and start showing a warning in the patron account 30 days before it expires - that would be visible during circ
19:30 oleonard        yhager: What cait said: How would the grace period work?
19:31 yhager          yeah, that's my thought.. it should work for new patrons mostly..
19:31 yhager          it's a bit awkward though, I'll have to explain the librarian to renew accounts for a month at first, and when they get paid, renew again.
19:32 cait            hm that's not what i meant
19:32 yhager          cait, oleonard: ^^
19:32 cait            there a warning abou tpatron accounts that are about to expire
19:32 cait            but we sill don't know what you exactly want to do
19:32 oleonard        yhager: What would a grace period feature do?
19:33 oleonard        yhager: How would it change the way Koha works?
19:33 yhager          cait: when someone enrolls, they can do that without paying right away. We want to let them use the library for 30 days, before we shut them down till they pay.
19:33 oleonard        Enroll at the library, in person?
19:33 yhager          When someone renews, if they don't pay right away, that's okay, for 30 days, after that, they're locked out.
19:33 yhager          yes, enroll in person.
19:34 oleonard        If the enrollment fee goes on their record when they sign up, just don't collect until after 30 days?
19:36 yhager          oleonard: that would require the librarian to manually verify the 30 days each time they check out a book. I'm thinking of someone along the lines "is user owes more than X amount for Y days, block checkouts"
19:37 yhager          similar to the way koha can block a user when they owe too much. I just want to add a "too long" concept to that.. :)
19:39 cait            have 2 patron categories?
19:39 cait            one for the "test users" and later move them to "paying user"
19:39 cait            this way you could have different enrollment times set
19:39 cait            one with and one without fee
19:40 cait            and it would be easy to keep track who already had his/her month
19:45 yhager          okay, that's an interesting idea.. so I can set all new patrons into "Graced" category, and period will be 30 days, move to "adult" when they pay, for 12 months (or adjust manually to the actual enrollment time).
19:46 yhager          and when they expire on adult, move to "Graced" and only then renew, move back to adults when they pay again..
19:46 yhager          a bit cumbersome, but could work
19:48 jcamins         yhager: set the adult to be 11 months.
19:49 jcamins         *enrolment period
19:49 yhager          jcamins: but if they pay right away, do I just credit their "graced" account?
19:49 jcamins         If they pay right away, you'll have to manually change it to 12 months.
19:50 jcamins         But based on your explanation of the problem, it sounds like paying on day 30 is more common.
19:51 jcamins         i.e. either way will work, but set the enrolment period default so that you have to change it as infrequently as possible.
19:51 yhager          jcamins: I don't know what's more common. We're just setting up the system (moving from manual). It's a small and rural place - some people pay right away, others have trouble scraping up $10 per year..
19:51 jcamins         Ah. Got it.
19:52 yhager          Yes, I understand your suggestion. Still, I think a feature like "block checkout if own more than X for Y days" would be valuable (we have that today, only Y is 1).
19:52 oleonard        I think it would be a useful feature yhager
19:53 oleonard        Actually I'm surprised we don't already have it
19:53 yhager          oleonard: thx. Should I submit it as a suggestion? I'm a coder, but not a perl one.. if it's an easy one maybe I can try..
19:54 * magnuse       waves in german
19:54 oleonard        File an enhancement bug if you want to. Without funding or someone to work on it enhancement bugs don't usually go anywhere.
19:54 * cait          waves back in gemran at magnuse
19:54 cait            magnuse: how is it???
19:55 magnuse         good!
19:55 cait            magnuse is in germany... and i am not there *sniff*
19:55 magnuse         :-(
19:55 cait            it's ok :)
19:55 magnuse         well, you are in germany too?
19:55 magnuse         :-)
19:55 cait            but we have tomake sure to meet again next year!
19:55 magnuse         yup!
19:55 cait            yeah but not in hamburg :)
19:55 cait            so the conf is good? how is the apartment? is the family liking it?
19:55 magnuse         köln, perhaps? :-)
19:56 cait            hm?
19:56 magnuse         yeah, the apartment is good
19:56 magnuse         and they are liking it a lot
19:56 oleonard        So where are you cait?
19:56 cait            at home in Konstanz - which is ... like 9-10 hours on a train away from magnuse
19:57 magnuse         it would probably be quicker to visit me via planes in bodø...
19:57 cait            heh
19:57 magnuse         we went to the zoo on saturday, leonard thought that was really good. so good he fell asleep after a couple hours...
19:57 cait            not sure :)
19:58 cait            :)
19:58 rambutan        oleonard: ever looked at socket.io? Not sure it's something Koha could use, but we're using it for another project, and it's pretty cool.
19:58 yhager          oleonard: Okay, I'll file it. When I get some time, maybe the community here would indulge me for some questions on how to implement that.. I'm not familiar with the Koha codebase except for some tracing I did here and there.. (to understand how enrollment periods work etc)
19:58 rambutan        let's you open comms sockets using javascript
19:58 oleonard        rambutan: No I haven't
19:59 oleonard        @wunder 45701
19:59 huginn          oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 4.1°C (2:49 PM EST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
19:59 rambutan        it's really quick
20:01 yhager          @wunder v0g2c0
20:01 huginn          yhager: The current temperature in Castlegar, British Columbia is -1.0°C (11:00 AM PST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Falling).
20:02 rambutan        @wunder 64507
20:02 huginn          rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 5.4°C (2:02 PM CST on November 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
20:07 markvandenborre I wonder if koha would be a good match for the small library of a music education institution
20:08 markvandenborre we have mainly a catalog of sheet music in an existing iTunes library (yuck, heritage, don't ask)
20:08 wizzyrea        yep, it would work well for that
20:08 markvandenborre pdf documents with some metadata in an iTuens xml file
20:08 markvandenborre let's hope (not looked closely) that this would enable some kind of batch import
20:09 markvandenborre and about 100 Gb of mostly mp3 media file
20:09 markvandenborre s
20:09 markvandenborre as far as I can see, most of these have embedded id3v2 tags
20:09 rambutan        idle thought, but it seems like there should be a standard file format for sheet music
20:09 markvandenborre so importing those should be fairly easy I guess
20:10 wizzyrea        if you can map it to marc, it can be imported
20:10 markvandenborre rambutan: I'm not talking interactive sheet music
20:10 cait            markvandenborre: you can only import marc21/unimarc/normarc data into Koha
20:10 cait            it's made for metadata, not so much for actual data
20:10 markvandenborre I'm talking pdf scans of the physical sheet music in our library
20:10 markvandenborre cait: need to read up on that
20:11 cait            you can currently not upload that into koha directly i think - normally you'd catalog a link to the pdf and store it somewhere else on a webserver
20:11 wizzyrea        basically, whatever metadata you have, if you can map it to marc, you can import it into koha
20:11 markvandenborre cool
20:11 wizzyrea        certainly the ability to handle other formats of incoming data would be a welcome addition
20:11 rambutan        yea, but my <very unstructured> thought was that there should be a file format for sheet music which actually displays in human readable form, but also recognizes all the notes, etc.
20:12 magnuse         nah, just map it all to RDF :-)
20:12 cait            hm i think there is
20:12 markvandenborre rambutan: the closest you can get is musicxml
20:12 cait            rambutan: but no idea what it might be called :)
20:12 markvandenborre and that is well supported by the most recent versions of most sheet music notation software
20:12 rambutan        not familiar with that, but maybe somebody has already invented it. :)
20:12 markvandenborre like musescore, sibelius, finale
20:13 wizzyrea        or map it to rdf.
20:13 markvandenborre cait: but it's interesting that you say that koha has no storage for actual data....
20:13 markvandenborre I did understand you correctly, did I?
20:13 cait            hm not sure i expressed it correctly
20:14 cait            it's not made to be a repository
20:14 markvandenborre ok
20:14 markvandenborre one would still need a separate storage place for all the static files
20:15 markvandenborre in a minimalist way, just a static dir served from your webserver
20:15 markvandenborre that's the way to understand it, right?
20:15 cait            and you could add that url to your records in koha
20:15 cait            so when you search for something people can cklick on it
20:15 markvandenborre ok
20:15 wizzyrea        right - make sure though, that you're not keeping the originals there.
20:15 wizzyrea        just for safety.
20:15 wizzyrea        or that you're keeping copies elsewhere.
20:16 markvandenborre so what do people use in general for actual storage?
20:16 wizzyrea        there are several open source repository solutions
20:16 wizzyrea        sorry we sound doomy and gloomy - I think what you're doing is really cool
20:16 markvandenborre it's hard to search the web with such generic
20:17 markvandenborre search term, wizzyrea
20:17 markvandenborre quite to the contrary, I appreciate your help!
20:17 magnuse         just putting it on a web server as static files should work - depending on your workflow
20:17 cait            hm i think i have heard of... fedora and dspace maybe?
20:17 magnuse         it = the files
20:17 cait            i would search for repository software open source or ´something i guess
20:18 wizzyrea        just depends on how much of a solution you want.
20:18 magnuse         dspace and eprints are alternatives mostly geared towards scientific publications
20:18 wizzyrea        you can put them on a web server, just make sure that isn't your only copy
20:18 magnuse         it also depends on who should have access to the files
20:18 wizzyrea        if you require extra functionality beyond simply displaying the metadata and linking to the pdf's, then you'll probably want a repository
20:19 wizzyrea        such as, permissions.
20:19 markvandenborre I think our needs are fairly simple
20:19 markvandenborre we're only talking about <10000 books of sheet music
20:19 markvandenborre in an institution with only a few thousand students
20:19 markvandenborre all centralised into one small library
20:20 markvandenborre mainly made available to the teachers
20:20 markvandenborre through the intranet
20:20 markvandenborre I inherited a "setup"
20:20 markvandenborre with about 30 workstations throughout the building
20:21 markvandenborre each manually "synced" by usb stick (!) from a central iTunes "repository"
20:21 markvandenborre needless to say this doesn't work
20:21 magnuse         hehe, sounds like fun :-)
20:21 markvandenborre and I just want something clean, platform agnostic
20:21 markvandenborre that I can run from a Debian machine
20:22 markvandenborre that I can administer while having breakfast in my underwear :)
20:22 markvandenborre ... over an ssh connection
20:27 cait            sorry phone call brb
20:29 wizzyrea        hehe
20:29 mtompset        Hey, wizzyrea.
20:29 wahanui         rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans
20:29 wizzyrea        well at least you have your priorities straight :
20:29 wizzyrea        :)
20:29 * wizzyrea      is totally a cylon.
20:29 mtompset        Which #?
20:29 wizzyrea        yes mtompset
20:29 wahanui         mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
20:29 wizzyrea        ?
20:29 wizzyrea        mmmmm
20:29 wizzyrea        I'm the long lost 13.
20:30 mtompset        Remember the news by branch bug?
20:30 wizzyrea        yes, i sure do.
20:30 mtompset        I did put up a test plan. The patch is there, but I didn't put much of a description in the patch.
20:30 mtompset        If you'd like to test it. Go crazy. :)
20:32 wizzyrea        oh cool! I have general catching up to do - but once I'm done with that work about doing work, I will have a look.
20:34 mtompset        And, cait, I was wondering if my reply on bug 11253 made sense.
20:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11253 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, NEW , tools/inventory.pl output_pref ignores 'iso' parameter passed
20:34 cait            mtompset: actually i still have on idea how this bug shows
20:34 cait            sorry
20:35 mtompset        I believe the default format for dateformat is YMD, right?
20:35 mtompset        which I assume is also iso.
20:35 mtompset        change the date format and run the inventory.
20:35 wahanui         mtompset: that doesn't look right
20:36 mtompset        It's one of those non-visible bugs, I believe.
20:36 mtompset        It's screaming ISO, ISO behind the scenes, but uses the preference in the output, which is likely expected by the user.
20:38 mtompset        Let me see if I can figure out which things I clicked to finally get the stupid thing not to run and run and die.
20:42 mtompset        Well, I'll be... It is a visible problem. Let me recheck that.
20:44 mtompset        mm/dd/yyyy -- unseen visible. yyyy-mm-dd -- unseen blank
20:45 mtompset        And dd/mm/yyyy -- unseen is... oooo... kaboom!
20:50 mtompset        There, added clear steps to replicate problem.
20:51 magnuse         mtompset++ :-)
20:52 mtompset        of course, that still doesn't answer my question as to how it should be fixed.
20:52 cait            well without understanding what it does, it's hard to tell :)
20:52 mtompset        I'm thinking paying attention to the second parameter may fix the issue best.
20:54 mtompset        I'll comment more when I get back.
20:54 * mtompset      puts on his chauffeurs hat.
20:58 * magnuse       shares a big box of Lübecker edel-Marzipan with #koha
21:01 * cait          adds some kinderriegel
21:01 * wizzyrea      contributes chocolate fish and ginger slices
21:02 wizzyrea        clearly there wasn't enough sugar here.
21:03 cait            ehe
21:06 magnuse         we should see a boost in productivity now :-)
21:09 * cait          is working on writing comments on bugs... i am on a sugar high
21:09 cait            no guarantees for nothing
21:13 joels68         Anybody else disappointed by Day of the Doctor?
21:14 * wizzyrea      was not
21:16 eythian         hi
21:16 wahanui         kai ora, eythian
21:18 joels68         The situation with the humans and the purple sucker people wasn't resolved, was it?
21:19 jcamins         joels68: noooooo!!!! I haven't seen it yet!!!!
21:20 joels68         What's your excuse? It's been 2 days.
21:20 rangi           @weather nzwn
21:20 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on November 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
21:20 jcamins         Maybe we'll watch it tonight.
21:21 joels68         I wish Eccleston had been involved. He was a more ass-kicking doctor.
21:24 wizzyrea        *shrug* also apparently personally a douche. Not participating was his decision.
21:25 jcamins         Nnnnggggg!!!!!
21:25 * wizzyrea      won't say anymore, in deference to jcamins ;)
21:26 jcamins         :)
21:26 wizzyrea        any more* with spaces, because that's proper.
21:26 druthb          yes, please, wizzyrea.  I'm closer to him, and the explosion…could be epic.
21:26 druthb          :P
21:27 druthb          jcamins:  I'm as in the dark as you are.  But I don't plan to watch it, not being a Whovian.
21:29 * wizzyrea      saw it in 3D ;P
21:29 joels68         Was it in a theater? I saw you tweeted a pic of a ticket.
21:31 joels68         It must've really brought the suckers to life.;-)
21:34 wizzyrea        yep
21:36 joels68         Well, who hasn't seen the Dark World yet, besides me?
21:37 wizzyrea        I haven't :P
21:37 cait            wizzyrea: could i talk you into testing the restriction from khall_away? :)
21:38 wizzyrea        yep
21:38 cait            and maybe if you can reproduce 11295? i was wondering if i just missed something
21:38 wizzyrea        oh what's the bug number?
21:38 wahanui         it has been said that the bug number is wrong in the subject.
21:39 wizzyrea        sure
21:39 cait            11282
21:41 wizzyrea        ty
21:44 magnuse         wishes #koha in guten nacht
21:45 cait            :)
22:10 dan             hi people, just a question: what was the unused branches.issuing field for?
22:11 dan             I've found same question from nengard 2 years ago, but no answers
22:12 cait            dan: I don't know, sorry
22:12 rangi           it was a boolean
22:12 rangi           can you circulate from that branch or not
22:12 rangi           and it used to be used
22:12 rangi           if you had a branch like 'mending room' or whatever
22:13 rangi           you could transfer to it ,or mark items in it, but it wouldnt show up in the lists for you to pick to circulate from
22:13 rangi           someone broke that at some point in the pst
22:13 rangi           past
22:13 cait            :(
22:17 dan             in the recent version of koha, is there a "block issues for this branch" feature?
22:19 rangi           dont think so
22:19 rangi           whats the use case?
22:19 wahanui         i think the use case is to track the usage of catalogued electronic items
22:19 cait            wahanui forget use case
22:19 wahanui         cait: I forgot use case
22:23 wizzyrea        how do you mean "block issues"
22:24 wizzyrea        like a class of items that don't issue at a branch?
22:24 wizzyrea        but do at others?
22:24 dan             rangi: in some seasons, some branches are closed to public, whence they cannot issue any material
22:25 rangi           you could edit the circ rules then
22:26 rangi           or read the logs, find out the staff member who issued stuff from the wrong branch, print their name out on the noticeboard and make them buy muffins for everyone
22:26 rangi           i suspect that would cut it down pretty fast :-)
22:26 wizzyrea        tee hee
22:29 dan             the muffins idea sounds tempting to enforce
22:31 dan             issuingrules.maxissueqty = 0  could work, couldn't?
22:32 rangi           one way to find out :) try it on your staging/test server :)
22:34 dan             just asking for the best known way to solve this. I'm not afraid to find out :)
22:35 dan             thanks for your help, save some code modify time
22:38 eythian         hello papa
22:38 papa            hello indeed
22:53 jcamins         Doctor Who time.
22:53 jcamins         In 1:12 minutes or so you may talk about what happens.
22:54 * dac           is glad that he didn't already post spoilers
22:55 eythian         jcamins: it turns out that Darth Vader is Luke's father.
22:55 eythian         jcamins: also, Rosebud is a sled.
22:55 jcamins         eythian: NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:55 rangi           and the cake is a lie
22:56 eythian         no, the cake actually was there.
22:58 cait            apache--
22:58 cait            #
22:58 cait            took me forever to figure out what was wrong this time. grr.
22:59 dcook           That's no fun, cait :(
22:59 cait            yeah
22:59 cait            new apache version...
22:59 cait            ok, time for sleep :)
22:59 cait            gnight all
23:05 mtompset        Day of the Doctor, jcamins?
23:05 jcamins         mtompset: yep.
23:06 mtompset        http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy
23:07 mtompset        And interesting follow up to watch after the Day of the Doctor. :)
23:08 jcamins         mtompset: actually, I already saw that.
23:09 dcook           Minisode?
23:15 mtompset        Sort of. It's Peter Davidson, Slyvester McCoy and Colin Baker trying to sneak into the 50th anniversary special.
23:16 mtompset        Can I give spoiler type comments?
23:16 mtompset        Or has someone still not seen it?
23:17 jcamins         I have not seen it.
23:17 jcamins         You have another hour.
23:17 jcamins         (before I've seen it)