Time  Nick            Message
23:01 bag             almost dcook almost
22:59 * dcook         thinks he has encompassed most times of day now..
22:59 dcook           Night, cait :)
22:59 dcook           Howdy, bag. Good afternoon :)
22:59 cait            nightall :)
22:59 cait            i still feel mean :)
22:59 bag             heh
22:59 bag             cait that's cause I've been grabbing the small ones to free up your time :)
22:58 bag             heya dcook - good day to you
22:52 dcook           evening cait :)
22:51 cait            morning dcook
22:49 cait            2:5 (passed/failed) now
22:49 cait            i should stop qa'ing
22:44 eythian         I'm not convinced.
22:44 eythian         hjg eh
22:41 bag             too late sorry
22:41 bag             heh
22:41 cait            screen froze... ignore last comment :)
22:41 bag             hjg?
22:39 cait            hjg
22:29 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1514: FIXED in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1514/
22:29 jenkins_koha    Yippie, build fixed!
22:29 huginn          mtompset: The operation succeeded.
22:29 mtompset        @later tell WaylonR I think I rebased it properly for you. Please check.
22:23 francharb       bye all
22:23 eythian         yeah
22:23 eythian         it'd be cold and not very hospitable I imagine
22:23 rambutan        but part of NZ, I assume?
22:23 eythian         rambutan: I don't think so, you might have conservation people there, but I don't think it counts as inhabited.
22:22 wizzyrea        gnite :)
22:22 rangi           night ebegin
22:22 ebegin          good night every one !
22:21 ebegin          at the moment, 0°C is not that cold. We will reach - 30°C in february
22:21 rambutan        Do people live on Auckland Island?
22:21 wizzyrea        that would have been pretty chilly.
22:21 rangi           http://vimeo.com/31010288#at=0
22:21 rangi           this is my other favourite little snapshot of people
22:21 cait            wizzyrea: and t-shirt...brrrr
22:20 ebegin          I could tolerate few hours of snow per year :)
22:20 huginn          rambutan: Error: No such location could be found.
22:20 rambutan        @wunder Rakiura National Park
22:20 rangi           thats one of my fave little videos
22:19 eythian         it snowed most years where I grew up, so you'd have to pick your location :)
22:18 * ebegin        wish he could avoid snow.. have to move in NZ
22:18 wizzyrea        note the barefooted people.
22:18 rangi           snow in wellington
22:17 rangi           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGaIDm0azU
22:17 ebegin          not snowing here is uncommon ;)
22:16 eythian         it snowed in Wellington a few years ago, but it's quite uncommon
22:15 ebegin          I wish I could say that winter are too warm over here :)
22:15 wizzyrea        not where we are, too warm.
22:15 ebegin          wizzyrea, is there snow during NZ winters ?
22:13 wizzyrea        definitely no snow.
22:13 ebegin          No snow as we type
22:13 huginn          wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on November 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
22:13 wizzyrea        @wunder nzwn
22:13 ebegin          Hey cait ! :)
22:13 rambutan        no snow
22:13 cait            hi ebegin :)
22:13 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (11:00 PM CET on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
22:13 cait            @wunder Konstanz
22:13 cait            cooold
22:13 rambutan        snow
22:12 huginn          ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 0.0°C (5:00 PM EST on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
22:12 ebegin          @wunder montreal quebec
21:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11245 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , typo in modborrowers.tt javascript string
21:53 cait            bug 11245
21:53 cait            it tells you that it will onl ychange patrons of that category, because the attribute has been limited to that category in configuration
21:52 cait            so i think will only be applied would make sense
21:52 cait            it's from batch modification
21:50 wizzyrea        This attribute will only apply to the borrower category "category"
21:47 cait            ?
21:47 cait            hm or patrons of patron category ''
21:46 cait            do we need the ' here?
21:46 cait            grammar question:                                                  This attribute will be only applied to the patron's category "Erwachsener"
21:46 cait            hm
21:37 cait            ah now oleonard is gone..
21:36 khall           yeah, might as well wait for it to be totally done. I know what you mean ; )
21:36 cait            hm i can't remember how bored feels, buti will make time - probably waiting for the update bits tho
21:35 khall           no worries, but if you are bored, it is almost fully functional, except you won't see any existing fines because I haven't written that part of the db update yet
21:34 cait            not yet :)
21:32 khall           ah, I see
21:32 cait            ah not at yours - the mail functionality
21:32 cait            yeah, that's the problematic thing
21:32 khall           cait: so you looked at it? what do you think so far?
21:32 cait            hm maybe it would and just ddn't get it working from hte reports page
21:32 khall           the last big rock for the accounts rewrite is of course, porting the old accounts data to the new system
21:31 cait            you can actually set a subject and things like that
21:31 cait            in reports
21:31 cait            wizzyrea: it would also create the mail text for you- but i think it wouldn't work with utf-8 - i have looked into doing that with mailto links
21:31 khall           wow, it hasn't worked for a long time then
21:31 cait            me and numbers...
21:31 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4990 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , reintegrate overdues email in overdue list
21:31 cait            bug 4990
21:30 cait            no, not that one
21:30 cait            um
21:30 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4490 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, CLOSED INVALID, if xslt is on, koha warn every notice
21:30 cait            bug 4490
21:30 wizzyrea        theoretically you could do that from a regular report, with a mailto link.
21:30 khall           cait: that explains a lot, thanks much for the info
21:30 cait            but it's been broken forever
21:30 cait            where you could actually send people emails from that report
21:30 wizzyrea        khall - while you're here - we have libraries that use it too, but it's decently rare.
21:30 cait            i think there used to be a feature
21:29 khall           ok, I can take that into account as well then!
21:29 khall           excellent!
21:29 cait            also a lmit on the other report for people with fines would probably work
21:29 cait            we _are_ using it, but we could replace with a report
21:29 cait            khall: i looked at it today
21:29 khall           I need to deal with the overdues with fines report, I won't remove it altogether, I'll just cut out the parts that are broken.
21:28 cait            next time :)
21:28 bag             too slow :(
21:28 cait            hah! was fast enough
21:28 bag             later oleonard
21:28 cait            bye oleonard :)
21:28 wizzyrea        gl
21:28 cait            hehe
21:28 * oleonard      is off to do so
21:28 cait            wizzyrea: my first thought was cats, but you are probably right :)
21:28 wizzyrea        :D
21:28 oleonard        Why have I still not tried that?!
21:28 wizzyrea        (children, presumably)
21:28 khall           cait: it's "so close" to being ready
21:28 cait            lol?
21:27 huginn          cait: Quote #125: "<oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom." (added by gmcharlt at 01:14 PM, April 06, 2011)
21:27 cait            @quote random
21:27 cait            so now i can nag khall about his accounts rewrite :) have seen the constant updating, what kind of state is it in currently? :)
21:27 huginn          khall: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:27 khall           @bag++
21:27 cait            awesome thx bag :)
21:27 bag             hey cait I have a moment I can look at it :)
21:27 khall           wizzyrea: cool beans ; )
21:27 mtompset        http://youtu.be/H3r9bOkYW9s (history of english)
21:27 wizzyrea        i found it - cool will file a bug for that
21:26 cait            ... and can't qa now :)
21:26 cait            to look at 10605 as i signed it off
21:26 cait            was just looking for a one of my qaa...
21:26 wizzyrea        hi khall :)
21:26 cait            hi khall :)
21:26 cait            heh
21:25 * wizzyrea      forgot her question (lol)
21:25 huginn          khall: The operation succeeded.
21:25 khall           @later tell wizzyrea nope!
21:25 khall           what's up cait?
21:21 bag             cait I think he just stepped out
21:20 cait            khall: around?
21:14 wahanui         hola, eythian
21:14 eythian         hi
21:14 rambutan        hey, forgot that, it's going in
21:13 bag             :P
21:13 bag             *makes great coffee
21:09 rambutan        I should do better at keeping my resume up to date. Somebody send me a few bullet points I can use.
20:58 mtompset        i'm surprised it isn't as bad as I remembered. I guess the MARC::blah stuff cpanm'd nicely.
20:58 mtompset        and a couple others.
20:57 mtompset        Number::Format
20:57 mtompset        YAML::Syck
20:57 mtompset        And there is the headache. :)
20:56 mtompset        Have a great day (24 hour period), paul123. :)
20:56 paul123         have a good night all, thank you for your help
20:56 paul123         ok, thank you, cait!
20:48 cait            and a and b are kind of mandatory to be set to a valid branchcode
20:48 cait            at least i would recommend those
20:48 cait            paul123: you will need: o, a and b = branchcode, y, 2
20:47 rangi           $foo = $bar;
20:47 rangi           $bar = 1;
20:47 rangi           same as
20:46 mtompset        what does: $foo = $bar = '1'; mean?
20:44 paul123         so I should tag the call number with the 952$o tag right?
20:43 cait            when you want to import items, then yes
20:40 paul123         sorry to keep bugging, but can someone help me with this question: do i have to tag my book records with the 952 field when parsing in MARCEdit?
20:39 francharb       hehe thank you!!!!!
20:38 * cait          gets out the cookie jar to celebrate francharb's new job
20:38 rangi           cya magnuse
20:37 magnuse         have fun #koha!
20:37 oleonard        Thanks rangi I'll keep tinkering
20:37 cait            francharb: cool :)
20:36 rangi           cant think of anything :(
20:36 rangi           oleonard: hmm been a really long time since i ever did that, i usually create the remote end, then clone from that
20:35 francharb       and cait, I work at inlibro office
20:35 francharb       rangi, especially with a US keyboard with no accent... kind of hard to write french properly. :)
20:35 oleonard        No, the output looked like it was successful in fact
20:33 rangi           oleonard: do you get any error message?
20:32 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10689 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , public note does not appear in subscriptions search
20:32 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10689: make subscription public note appear when making a new order from a subscription
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10689: make public note appear in subscriptions search
20:32 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , status filter not working in serial claims when translated
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 10689: add regression test
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim
20:32 jenkins_koha    * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated
20:32 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.12.x build #124: SUCCESS in 2 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/124/
20:29 oleonard        After the "push" step, I don't end up with anything on the remote server
20:28 oleonard        Got a (non-Koha) git problem. I'm trying create a new remote repo to push to, following these directions: http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-Setting-Up-the-Server
20:27 cait            francharb: workign from home or at inlibro? :)
20:26 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1514 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1511 4 days 0 hr ago)
20:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11269 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Latest MARC::Record makes visible some wrong usage of field->subfield in C4::Search
20:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8854 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , invoice filters don't all work
20:25 jenkins_koha    * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11269: fix incorrect use of MARC::Field->subfield()
20:25 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: bug 8854: fix some invoice search filters
20:25 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1513: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1513/
20:25 paul123         when I am preparing data with MARCEdit for import, should I tag the call number field with 952?
20:25 rangi           francharb: i imagine that will take a while :)
20:24 paul123         I have one more question
20:24 francharb       hehe
20:24 francharb       getting used to qwerty keyboard as well
20:24 francharb       setting up my machine, etc
20:24 francharb       Today is my first day
20:23 francharb       It´s pretty cool yep
20:23 francharb       thanks!
20:23 rangi           francharb: wow how cool!!
20:23 cait            !
20:23 cait            glad to have you back1
20:23 cait            i should start reading from the top :)
20:23 cait            oh
20:23 cait            francharb: awesome news! how is that?
20:22 francharb       you´re welcome paul123
20:22 francharb       I will work with koha a little bit longer! :)
20:22 paul123         :-)
20:22 paul123         thanks for the tip!
20:22 paul123         ah great
20:22 francharb       I work for InLibro now
20:21 francharb       I just started a new job
20:21 francharb       Everything goes fine
20:21 francharb       nice to see you too
20:21 cait            nice to see you! how is canada?
20:21 francharb       :)
20:21 wahanui         hi cait! are you safely back in germany now?
20:21 francharb       hi cait!
20:20 cait            hi francharb :)
20:20 francharb_afk   it hides the tag on the opac and pro interface
20:19 francharb_afk   paul123, I would suggest 8
20:17 paul123         what value should I set to hide?
20:17 paul123         now
20:17 paul123         ah i see it
20:16 cait            paul_p: there is a hidden column you set to a numeric value to hide
20:15 wizzyrea        which is much smaller.
20:15 wizzyrea        also, it occurs to me that you could start from the fast add framework
20:14 paul123         so when I export the default framework to excel, what do I do to "hide" the un-relevant fields?
20:12 cait            i always forget we have that nice feature :)
20:12 cait            that's a lot better
20:12 wizzyrea        that.
20:12 cait            right
20:12 cait            oooh
20:12 magnuse         paul123: export to a spreadsheat, edit and import back into koha
20:12 cait            hm, the only quick way i can think of is using sql
20:11 paul123         with the default framework there are over 300 tags, is there a way to quickly hide the ones that are not relevant?
20:10 wizzyrea        then hide, don't delete, fields.
20:10 wizzyrea        see how it works
20:10 wizzyrea        I suggest using the default framework for your first go at an import
20:10 wizzyrea        yeah you've nuked out your items fields
20:09 paul123         999	SYSTEM CONTROL NUMBERS(KOHA)	Yes	No
20:09 paul123         952	LOCATION AND ITEM INFORMATION (KOHA)	Yes	No
20:09 paul123         942	ADDED ENTRY ELEMENTS (KOHA)	No	No
20:09 paul123         541	REGISTERED DATE	No	No
20:09 paul123         520	SYNOPSIS	No	No
20:08 paul123         500	NOTES	Yes	No
20:08 paul123         377	LANGUAGE	No	No
20:08 paul123         300	PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION	No	No
20:08 paul123         260	PUBLICATION	Yes	Yes
20:08 paul123         250	EDITION	No	No
20:08 paul123         245	BOOK TITLE	Yes	Yes
20:08 paul123         100	AUTHOR NAME	Yes	Yes
20:08 paul123         84	STS Call Number	No	Yes
20:08 paul123         24	BARCODE	No	Yes
20:08 paul123         20	ISBN	Yes	No
20:08 paul123         Tag	Lib	Repeatable	Mandatory
20:08 paul123         and this is my custom Framework for Books
20:06 paul123         and they must all be in the 10 (items) tab
20:06 paul123         be mapped to the same tag,
20:06 paul123         item fields 	ALL items fields MUST :
20:06 paul123         and got one error
20:06 paul123         ok, I just ran the Framework Test
20:05 paul123         I just didn't attach any data to it in my records
20:05 paul123         actually, my custom framework has the field 952 defined
20:05 cait            and run the marc frameworks test
20:05 rangi           cos if you want to ever be able to circulate, you need those
20:04 cait            and also some others
20:04 rangi           do you want items?
20:04 cait            you should define the fields in the framewrk first
20:04 paul123         so are you saying, I should reimport my records into Koha with the 952 field set?
20:03 paul123         I only need 15 fields
20:02 paul123         hmm, I was tired of hiding too many tags just for a simple book, so I created a smaller framework to import them
19:59 paul123         hehe
19:59 cait            too many pauls :)
19:59 cait            paul123:
19:59 cait            oh
19:59 cait            because there are some fields koha needs
19:58 cait            paul_p: hm be careful with creating your own, advice is to base on default and only hide fields you don't need
19:58 mtompset        with the -b -r flags added to koha_perl_deps.pl, and strawberry perl having cpanm installed by default. All is going well so far.
19:58 paul123         hmm, when I created my custom Bibli Framework for Books, I didn't create that tag
19:57 mtompset        strangely... this is going better than I recall last time.
19:56 rangi           (unless they are electronic of course, but even then its better to make an item for them)
19:56 rangi           things cant be available, if you dont have items attached
19:55 rangi           paul123: 952 is for items, you should already have 952 fields for any biblio records taht you actually have copies of
19:54 * wizzyrea      had never looked at the classification sources page - nifty!
19:54 paul123         so you're saying, I should tag my records with 952... at the MARCEdit stage?
19:52 rangi           and then in 952$2 put your classification scheme
19:51 rangi           952o
19:51 rangi           sorry nope
19:51 rangi           952t
19:51 wizzyrea        yeah it sounds like you want to show the call number of the item, not the bib
19:51 paul123         can you tell me how I can do that?
19:50 rangi           id tag it at the item level
19:49 * wizzyrea      waves
19:49 paul123         how can I make it show and indicate that a book is available
19:48 paul123         however, when I search for a book in OPAC it doesn't display the call number
19:48 paul123         so I tagged it with the 084a tag
19:48 paul123         I am managing a library that uses a custom call/classification number
19:47 paul123         more specifically in OPAC
19:47 paul123         i have a question about displaying the call number in Koha
19:47 wahanui         hi, paul123
19:47 paul123         hi
19:44 mtompset        In the mean time. Trying for myself. :)
19:44 mtompset        Okay... doing that.
19:40 rangi           ah maybe ask for one ;) that would seem like a useful thing to try
19:40 mtompset        I went to the web page, and couldn't find it.
19:40 mtompset        They didn't give a link to it.
19:40 rangi           yep
19:40 rambutan        sound - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA6jmg_zcQo
19:40 mtompset        the one from pakistan?
19:39 rangi           it should be strawberry perl
19:39 rangi           mtompset: why dont you try the bundle just to see if it even works
19:39 cait            brb
19:37 rambutan        Josef Prusa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viz4Ijahddg
19:37 mtompset        since I have a window 8.1 machine. I'm trying something crazy... installing Koha... let's see what horrible problems I encounter using strawberry perl. :)
19:28 rambutan        I see Vik Olliver does have a nick on #reprap, but he's not currently logged on.
19:25 rambutan        "sound" is the nick of an Italian programer that produces http://slic3r.org/
19:23 rangi           http://reprap.org/wiki/User:VikOlliver
19:22 rambutan        don't know him by that nick
19:21 rangi           if you are chatting with him, tell him i say hi :)
19:21 rangi           vik olliver used to work for catalyst
19:19 rambutan        someday that will probably go away, although quite happily it hasn't happened to koha yet.
19:19 rambutan        engineers.
19:19 rambutan        and the same thing is happening with 3d printers--it's still a very new technology, but I can get on freenode - #reprap and talk to sound and Josef Prusa and all the original
19:19 rangi           heh
19:18 cait            rambutan: now you are making him feel old again *hides*
19:18 rangi           been replaced with salespeople
19:18 rangi           i doubt any of the original coders are left there
19:17 rambutan        [off]Sirsi, for example
19:17 rambutan        some of the original people like Chris. I just think thats amazing. That wouldn't happen with
19:16 rambutan        So I think it's great that Koha has an open source chat channel where you can actually talk to the coders--the real producers of the software, and especially...
19:16 rambutan        All right, ya'll got me woked up.
19:15 rambutan        we have the mendelmax 2, if anybody cares. http://www.makerstoolworks.com           Open hardware (like open source software),
19:14 oleonard        Well, there I go: http://www.ohio.edu/research/communications/3dprinter.cfm
19:13 janPasi         wrong channel
19:13 janPasi         äh
19:13 janPasi         mulla on \<janp[pa].*
19:12 rangi           bound to
19:12 oleonard        Cool, thanks. Really I should poke around here at the university, someone's sure to have one eh?
19:11 rangi           we have one in the chch office, we used to have a reprap here in the wellington office too
19:11 jcamins         Remind me.
19:11 jcamins         A friend of mine is probably buying a 3d printer. I'll have him make you one.
19:09 oleonard        yeah, stupid tiny piece of plastic
19:09 mtompset        oleonard: You have a busted pen that needs that part?
19:08 mtompset        Greetings, rangi. :)
19:08 cait            morning rangi
19:08 rangi           morning
19:07 rambutan        We will, certainly in the beginning anyway, have some physical control over the printer itself, to keep it safe from  younger patrons, but it's not like we'll have it under wraps either.
19:07 mtompset        (as compared to installing from repository libraries)
19:07 * oleonard      needs to find somewhere to print one of these http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:43874
19:07 mtompset        Does cpanm have the same search path and upgrading uses that installing libraries using cpan does?
19:06 rambutan        The way we envision it working is that they (all them "thays") will download/created the images, put it on an SD card, put that in the printer, and we help them print it out
19:06 jcamins         Thanks.
19:06 jcamins         Nice!
19:05 cait            yay!
19:05 rambutan        we will let just about any patron use it, including kids.
19:05 rambutan        We havn't had time to finish building it, but when we do, after a short test phase where we figure out how to use it ourselves....
19:05 jcamins         The question of whether kids have access to 3d printers came up in a conversation.
19:03 jcamins         rambutan: random non-Koha question for you: who do you permit to use the 3d printer?
19:03 gaetan_B        bye!
19:02 mtompset        1 more day.
19:02 mtompset        Wow... Koha Pi is coming.
18:18 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1513 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1511 3 days 22 hr ago)
18:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty
18:16 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11221: (follow-up) test for NULL rather than empty string
18:16 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 11221: (follow-up) add unit test to test handling empty strings as dates
18:16 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11221: ensure that SQLHelper uses NULL rather than 0000-00-00 as default date value
18:16 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #1512: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1512/
18:06 mtompset        tcohen: DOH! I didn't report it. Thanks for reporting and fixing it.
18:04 jenkins_koha    Starting build #124 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:02 tcohen          oleonard++ # more photos
18:02 tcohen          :-D
17:47 oleonard        That reminds me... I started posting photos to flickr and then didn't finish...
17:43 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11269 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Latest MARC::Record makes visible some wrong usage of field->subfield in C4::Search
17:43 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8854 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , invoice filters don't all work
17:43 jenkins_koha    * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 11269: fix incorrect use of MARC::Field->subfield()
17:43 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: bug 8854: fix some invoice search filters
17:43 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #225: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/225/
17:43 jenkins_koha    Yippie, build fixed!
17:41 druthb          s/all/any of/
17:41 druthb          I haven't got all mine up yet, but they'll be on gallery.hiruthie.net.
17:40 cait            ok, i have paul_p and tcohen - the rest is on flickr? :)
17:38 tcohen          heh
17:38 cait            i like the photo with tcohen and the pumpkin ;)
17:37 cait            found thenm :)
17:36 tcohen          cait: yes
17:36 cait            i wanted to download a few to show my family over the holidays
17:36 druthb          Might be migration time.
17:36 druthb          great photos, and a great-looking gallery—I've been using Gallery3, and I dislike it a lot.
17:36 cait            tcohen: oh, you had yours on google+ right?
17:34 tcohen          great photos!
17:34 cait            nice photos :)
17:33 paul_p          for the record = piwigo is an OpenSource project, managed by Pierrick Le Gall, that oldtimers of the Koha community probably remember ;-)
17:32 gmcharlt        paul_p++
17:31 tcohen          paul_p++
17:30 druthb          We had open bar cocktail hour, then dinner.  The filet mignon was just wonderful. :)
17:30 cait            gmcharlt: getting impatient? :)
17:29 huginn          gmcharlt: Not yet - wait 2 days
17:29 gmcharlt        @arewethereyet
17:29 cait            we have a christmas party, but everyone pays for their food :)
17:29 paul_p          tcohen http://famillepoulain.piwigo.com/index?/category/4-kohacon13_reno_nevada
17:29 wahanui         sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;)
17:29 cait            sounds like it
17:29 druthb          yep.  There are 190 employees now—I estimate they spent nearly $20K on those presents this year.  The for-profit world is a very different pace.
17:28 cait            hi gmcharlt :)
17:28 wahanui         i already had it that way, huginn.
17:28 huginn          gmcharlt: Error: The command "arewethereyet" is available in the Assorted and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "arewethereyet".
17:28 gmcharlt        @arewethereyet
17:28 cait            very cool :)
17:28 druthb          Same as everyone else—all three.
17:28 cait            all of that? :)
17:28 cait            what did you get?
17:28 druthb          roadside service, trip planning, some other discounts.
17:28 cait            oh
17:28 druthb          automobile service club.
17:27 cait            aaa?
17:27 druthb          The boss handed out holiday presents at the banquet last night.  AAA membership, chocolates, and movie tickets. :)
17:25 druthb          thanx! :)
17:25 cait            lovely photo on fb :)
17:25 cait            hi druthb :)
17:25 druthb          hi, cait! :)
17:24 paul_p          not sure, but I'll probably put them on my piwigo gallery
17:23 tcohen          paul_p: of course. how are u doing?
17:22 paul_p          tcohen you're right. could you drop me a mail so I don't forget ?
17:22 * ashimema      waves
17:20 * cait          waves
17:14 tcohen          paul_p: you have a couple of pictures in your phone i'd like to see :-D
16:56 francharb       see ya
16:56 francharb       for now, I need to set up my laptop!
16:56 francharb       I'm glad being back here!
16:55 huginn          bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 14.3°C (8:55 AM PST on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
16:55 bag             @wunder 93102
16:55 bag             :)
16:55 francharb       :)
16:55 paul_p          (and everybody will be happy at the end)
16:55 * paul_p        think ebegin had a good idea hiring francharb. And hope francharb had negociated a good income, because he's worth it ;-)
16:54 francharb       anyway, it's colder here than in houston, for sure!
16:54 * paul_p        is very happy to see francharb back ! really !
16:54 druthb          brr
16:54 huginn          ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 1.0°C (11:00 AM EST on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
16:54 ebegin          @wunder montreal quebec
16:54 francharb       ahah
16:53 huginn          francharb: Error: No such location could be found.
16:53 francharb       @wunder montreal
16:53 francharb       thank you gmcharlt
16:53 druthb          And other than that, work work work…  :)
16:53 gmcharlt        francharb++
16:53 jenkins_koha    Starting build #225 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #223 4 days 1 hr ago)
16:53 huginn          druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 19.4°C (10:53 AM CST on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
16:53 druthb          @wunder 77098
16:53 druthb          The temperature, for one thing, francharb.  Unseasonably warm for this time of year.
16:52 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty
16:52 jenkins_koha    * Galen Charlton: Bug 11221: (follow-up) test for NULL rather than empty string
16:52 jenkins_koha    * Chris Cormack: Bug 11221: (follow-up) add unit test to test handling empty strings as dates
16:52 jenkins_koha    * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11221: ensure that SQLHelper uses NULL rather than 0000-00-00 as default date value
16:52 jenkins_koha    Project master_maria build #224: UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/224/
16:51 francharb       whats up in texas?
16:50 francharb       hi druthb
16:50 francharb       thank you jcamins!
16:50 francharb       and here I am, back in the game ;)
16:50 druthb          hi, francharb! :)
16:50 francharb       late june
16:50 francharb       I moved a couple of month ago
16:50 jcamins         Awesome! Welcome to this side of the Atlantic!
16:50 reiveune        bye
16:49 bag             coolness :)
16:49 wahanui         jcamins is very, very irascible.
16:49 francharb       yes jcamins
16:49 * ebegin        is proud to announce that francharb (previously from  BibLibre) is now located in Montreal and working for inLibro
16:49 wahanui         morning is a state of cat
16:49 bag             morning
16:49 jcamins         francharb: morning? Did you move to Canada?
16:47 paul_p          francharb (j'ai pas eu le temps de te saluer sur notre channel BibLibre, tu es passé trop vite ;-) )
16:46 paul_p          welcome back francharb !!!
16:41 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11269' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=477b9716f1534ae7117bd99e6b3c2adc3d8c2737> / Bug 11269: fix incorrect use of MARC::Field->subfield() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f6f6d2b0c4d4e8a4ed5ab17fbbf66393f8a2c69>
16:38 francharb       good morning all
16:34 ashimema        Maybe I can get pianohacker to try it out.. I know he's got pazpar running at least as he uses it for his overdirve stuff
16:34 cait            bye all
16:34 cait            but have to run out now
16:34 cait            ashimema: remind me a bit later? i think that is not really actively used
16:34 ashimema        haha.. then your right.. I don't thik anyone has tested it in years..
16:33 oleonard        Nope :P
16:32 ashimema        oleonard: Did you test it for bootstrap..?
16:32 ashimema        Going through the code on that page, I can't see that it's been updated in many years for the other fixes that have gone in elsewhere.
16:29 ashimema        I thought that.. but it's a shame that my patch is being blocked because of it
16:28 oleonard        ashimema: I wonder if any of the changes to that template over the last few years have actually been tested
16:25 ashimema        anyone here happen to have pazpar working and want to test a bug?
16:24 oleonard        paul123: I too use MarcEdit to perform batch edits before importing, but I'm not aware of a feature which will generate barcodes
16:24 SlyzertVoltrond you mean the barcodes aren't already in there?
16:19 paul123         is there a tool that I can use autogenerate barcodes for these 36,000 records before staging import?
16:19 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug8854' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=49916a669be56f82f09433f3cd70649d60a568d8> / bug 8854: fix some invoice search filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1aa43b75f6a48d310cf4d9c6e3d21f5e01dc364>
16:18 paul123         i've been using MarcEdit to parse my records from a txt file
16:17 cait            reindex = rebuild your search index
16:17 cait            you will have to edit them later - or you could manipulate them on sql level, but then you have to make sure you reindex
16:17 cait            paul123: I thin oleonard is right there
16:16 paul123         hmm
16:16 oleonard        I don't think you can do that on import paul123
16:14 paul123         so my question is, is it possible to autogenerate barcode for these imported records?
16:13 paul123         my records (books) do not have barcode
16:13 paul123         hi guys
16:13 paul123         now, I am importing data into Koha via Stage import
16:13 cait            paul123:
16:13 cait            hi paul
16:12 oleonard        Hi paul123
16:12 paul123         i've manage to setup Koha 3.12
16:11 paul123         I am am a newbie at Koha
16:11 paul123         hello
16:06 jenkins_koha    Starting build #1512 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra
16:03 tcohen          i've attached a small followup for bug 11096 so the tests pass
16:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10684 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Koha search dies on undecodable records
16:02 gmcharlt        tcohen: the warning is fine; please read the commit log for t/db_depedendent/Search.t regarding bug 10684
16:02 jenkins_koha    Starting build #224 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:59 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug11221' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=942226d333da025e946bac7102e6269a59bcfd58> / Bug 11221: (follow-up) test for NULL rather than empty string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15812e80c8e6db286bf96e63e71f7239eaf50b25> / Bug 11221: (follow-up) add unit test to test handling empty strings as dates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k
15:21 rambutan        morning cait
15:21 cait            hi mtompset and rambutan
15:21 rambutan        morning
15:20 mtompset        Greetings, gaetan_B oleonard cait maximep rambutan. :)
15:05 gaetan_B        hi cait, hi oleonard :)
15:03 cait            hi oleonard and gaetan_B :)
14:51 oleonard        Hi gaetan_B
14:42 gaetan_B        hello
13:44 tcohen          (btw: I wrapped a new_from_xml call from _Zconn_event in an eval block)
13:44 pastebot        "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gmcharlt: I get this when running prove -v t/db_dependent/Search.t" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/264
13:42 tcohen          gmcharlt: "Tag 50% is not a valid tag", does it sound familiar
13:26 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:16 tcohen          cait: maybe my notebook :-D
13:16 cait            yeah... so i lost
13:16 cait            tcohen: someone else is using the nick i think
13:15 magnuse         good thing we have cait as a backup!
13:14 cait            kf got kidnapped
13:13 wahanui         kf is probably cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
13:13 tcohen          where's kf?
13:13 tcohen          hi cait
13:13 cait            hi tcohen
13:12 tcohen          morning
10:14 schnydszch      linking in the Advance constraints? I leave it blank
10:05 * rangi         goes to sleep
10:04 rangi           mapped meaning linking it to a column in the items table
10:03 rangi           and you said you mapped it to a column
10:03 rangi           then you dont do that
10:03 rangi           if you mapped it to a column
10:03 rangi           why?
10:01 schnydszch      yep but i'm updating xml data in more_subfields_xml :)
10:00 schnydszch      I added the subfields a long long time ago
10:00 rangi           so update items set whatevercolumn = 'value' where barcode = 'something'
09:59 rangi           right
09:56 schnydszch      For this particularly bibliographic record, there is no data in 952i yet.
09:55 schnydszch      952i
09:55 schnydszch      we haven't implemented adding data in 951i yet
09:54 rangi           and its not in the column you mapped it to?
09:54 schnydszch      I think it's not in more_subfield_xml since, it was leave blank
09:53 schnydszch      I added it a long long time ago
09:52 schnydszch      map meaning added in MARC Bibliographic Frameworks?
09:52 rangi           and is that data in more_subfields_xml instead?
09:52 rangi           well did you just recently map it?
09:51 schnydszch      how to do it if it has no data?
09:51 schnydszch      hmm no data
09:51 rangi           schnydszch: and you are sure there is data in that column?
09:50 magnuse         rangi: thanks, i think that is what they are doing already
09:50 rangi           more_subfields_xml is only for those ones that are not mapped to an actual column in items
09:50 schnydszch      but i get 0 row(s) affected.
09:50 schnydszch      it's institutional
09:50 rangi           schnydszch: then you just change the column it's mapped to
09:49 cait            it's mapped in latre versions only i think
09:49 rangi           magnuse: they can clone from the mirror http://repo.or.cz/w/koha.git
09:49 schnydszch      I have 952i set actually
09:49 rangi           schnydszch: actually i was wrong, 952i isnt mapped, so yes that should work
09:48 schnydszch      hmm. how do i do it correctly? is there a way?
09:48 magnuse         do you think it would be doable to enable cloning over http?
09:47 magnuse         the opl people have trouble cloning from git.koha-community.org, because of firewall issues
09:47 magnuse         oh rangi, there was something i wanted to ask you
09:45 rangi           post 3.4
09:45 rangi           hmm if they come back, the answer is no
09:44 schnydszch      this in mysql. would it be possible?
09:44 schnydszch      Hi! Koha community, I'm trying out this UPDATE items SET more_subfields_xml = UpdateXML(more_subfields_xml, '//datafield[@tag="952"]/subfield[@code="i"]/text()', 'MR_00-00032-(PO); MD_2001-04-08') where barcode = '27490' so I can update my items field.
09:40 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11265 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problems with locale saving/editing on serial subscriptions
09:40 cait            Joubu: bug 11265
09:39 cait            i was hoping i just missed changing something - i couldn't test with french
09:39 cait            ah, not good
09:31 Joubu           no, it does not work
09:26 cait            Joubu: thx for the seasons :) does the automatic locale detection work for you? it didn't for me butit's a bit hard to test
09:22 cait            hi #koha
07:58 wahanui         salut, alex_a
07:58 alex_a          bonjour
07:52 samueld         hi everybody
07:44 cait            ok, have to run, bye
07:42 cait            good morning paul_p
07:39 paul_p          good morning #koha
07:39 cait            hi reiveune
07:39 reiveune        salut magnuse , cait, kathryn , rangi
07:39 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.2°C (8:35 AM CET on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
07:39 magnuse         @wunder konstanz
07:39 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CET on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
07:39 magnuse         @wunder marseille
07:39 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady).
07:39 magnuse         @wunder boo
07:38 magnuse         bonjour paul_p et reiveune
07:38 wahanui         hi, reiveune
07:38 reiveune        hello
07:36 * magnuse       waves
06:43 huginn          rangi: The operation succeeded.
06:43 rangi           @later tell tcohen yeah squashing them is probably the easiest/best
06:42 rangi           evening
06:40 cait            thx
06:40 dcook           (And everyone else!)
06:40 dcook           Have a good day, cait :)
06:40 dcook           Cheap tuesday cinema though, so I'm out!
06:39 dcook           Oh my, you are tired!
06:39 cait            heh even
06:39 cait            jej
06:38 * dcook         says pretending not to be at the office
06:38 dcook           hey ya cait :)
06:38 * cait          waves sleepily
06:22 mtompset        Have a great day, #koha cait WaylonR bag dcook etc. :)
06:22 mtompset        As have I, bag.
06:13 bag             zzzzzzzzzz
06:13 bag             ok I've hit my tired point
06:13 mtompset        not a problem.
05:54 dcook           thanks bag and mtompset for looking into that issue before with me :)
05:54 dcook           back
05:47 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11183 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Warnings in opac
05:47 mtompset        Another small, remove floodiness type bug is bug 11183. :)
05:47 bag             bigger they are add onto 20 minutes then :D
05:46 mtompset        Depends on the patch size. ;)
05:46 bag             usually I'm about 20 minutes per patch :)
05:45 mtompset        Anything to quiet the floody error logs. :)
05:45 bag             cool give me 20 minutes and I'm on it
05:45 mtompset        I figure it was small and simple enough. :)
05:44 bag             oh mtompset I'll look at that one next
05:44 bag             anything with speed and I'm all about testing (as long as it's in my skill set) :P
05:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11242 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , fix opac-MARCdetail.pl bizarre ordering of data and noisy warnings
05:42 mtompset        bug 11242?
05:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11112 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar->new loads all holidays
05:41 bag             hmm bug 11112
05:38 * bag           looks to see if there is a good bug to QA tonight
05:38 bag             hmm the signed off queue isn't too bad right now - I'm seeing 55 and only 34 bugs - pretty awesome job #koha
05:36 dcook           oh brb
05:36 bag             a full reindex would clear any special updates :)
05:35 dcook           Well, maybe not break so much as corrupt
05:35 dcook           I might take a little look to see if it does break the indexed record..
05:35 dcook           As for the indexing, the filter wouldn't matter. It's the special update
05:35 bag             mtompset: I have no idea
05:35 bag             cool
05:34 dcook           bag: Yeah, I'm just going to alter the table to fix the software error
05:34 mtompset        is the alphabetical order in systempreference supposed to be case sensitive?
05:34 dcook           Sorry, was chatting to the boss ;)
05:33 bag             heh
05:33 * bag           scared away dcook :(
05:30 * bag           types too fast when he's excited
05:30 bag             records
05:30 bag             most likely it sounds like you should just do a full reindes...  what's the size of the db # of recors
05:29 bag             also are you using DOM or GRS1
05:29 bag             and 3.8 I think there was an issue with indexing  IIRC
05:29 bag             ah indexing is a different problem
05:29 bag             ah dcook just alter that table then
05:28 bag             poop my dev server is not really used much - but that's an empty set for me
05:28 dcook           I think it likely that the indexing isn't working properly though
05:27 dcook           So the software error is just my problem (despite being an outdated bit of code)
05:27 dcook           In my case, it appears that is  missing from this person's database which is distinctly odd
05:27 bag             ok one sec - let me bring up a server
05:27 dcook           Ah yes, should ;)
05:27 bag             show/should ?
05:26 bag             you may have posted it early and I missed it
05:26 dcook           If you look in your deleteditems table, you show see a 'marc' column
05:26 bag             so what exactly is the error?
05:26 dcook           Well, sort of
05:26 dcook           Yeah, the error looks like something else
05:26 bag             and most likely your error is from something else
05:26 bag             so since the items aren't in marcformat anymore it doesn't cause a problem
05:25 dcook           bag: Agreed
05:25 bag             ie. before 3.4 when we started stripping out the 952's (well that's MARC21)
05:25 bag             dcook: the only thing that I can think of is that - this is left over code from when items where in the marc-record
05:25 mtompset        Code never lies.
05:25 mtompset        Code says otherwise.
05:24 mtompset        It is lies.
05:24 dcook           Intriguing. Tis lies!
05:24 bag             http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/deleteditems.html
05:23 bag             according to schema marc is unused in Koha
05:23 dcook           (3.8.0 to be exact)
05:23 dcook           But the code is the same as master
05:23 dcook           The error is on 3.8
05:23 dcook           bag: Sorry, the error isn't
05:23 dcook           Ahhh, interesting. I see a deleteditems table with a marc column in it
05:22 dcook           Yep
05:20 bag             back
05:20 bag             dcook: is this on master?
05:17 * mtompset      grumbles about the evils of the indexing mechanisms. :)
05:17 dcook           Which seems odd, as I figure someone would've noticed those before..
05:17 dcook           Also, I have someone who is getting fatal software errors
05:15 mtompset        Is that what you are getting at, dcook?
05:15 dcook           It would appear that way to me
05:15 mtompset        Hmmm... if the MARCXML field isn't updated when you delete, then your indexing will break.
05:14 dcook           But in Zebra we use a combination of the marcxml bib record and the items (which we build into xml that we integrate into that marcxml)
05:14 mtompset        So, I guess setting the marc=? means it is trying to tie back to the original MARC.
05:14 dcook           No, it wouldn't
05:14 mtompset        But _koha_delete_item shouldn't affect the MarcXML field.
05:14 dcook           Which is missing in this case
05:13 dcook           Although it takes an optional parameter to add in the items to that Marcxml record
05:13 dcook           GetMarcBiblio just gets the Marcxml
05:12 mtompset        Does the GetMarcBiblio require the item to still be there?
05:12 mtompset        Actually, that's the thing I find weird.
05:12 dcook           We reindex Zebra with the bib record (without any items attached), then try to put marc into the deleteditems table O_o
05:11 dcook           After that though...
05:10 dcook           _koha_delete_item transfers the row from the items table to the deleted items table then removes the row from the items table
05:10 dcook           Agreed, mtompset
05:10 bag             just one more thing to get done and then I'm all yours
05:10 dcook           Sweet. Sure thing, bag.
05:10 mtompset        I thought when you deleted an item, it was to transfer from the items table into the deleted items table.
05:09 bag             hmm dcook give me like 5 minutes and I can look also
05:09 dcook           Thanks, mtompset :)
05:09 mtompset        looking, dcook.
05:09 dcook           I don't know how that could've ever  worked though O_o
05:09 dcook           The code looks the same in 3.8 and we're getting software errors
05:05 dcook           It looks like we're trying to set a 'marc' column in the 'deleteditems' table
05:05 dcook           Specifically line 626 in master
05:04 dcook           Can someone else take a look at the DelItem sub in Items.pm?
04:52 dcook           Does sound rather nice :)
04:48 bag             but it was still close to 20 during the day - which is it most days of the year
04:45 bag             tonight is a little more normal
04:45 bag             yeah that was an odd evening
04:45 dcook           Wasn't it nearly 20 degrees higher just the other day
04:45 dcook           bag: You have some strange weather though
04:43 mtompset        gangster or amish? ;)
04:39 bag             heh
04:39 bag             otherwise paradise :P
04:39 bag             Santa Barbara CA
04:39 mtompset        I'm in Ontario.
04:38 mtompset        Yourself, bag?
04:38 bag             ah
04:35 mtompset        currently Canada.
04:34 bag             heya mtompset I forget were are you located?
04:34 bag             eythian++
04:34 bag             nice response eythian
04:17 * bag           quickly takes a screenshot
04:17 bag             DAMN it works!!!
04:16 eythian         heh
04:16 * bag           waves hand and eythian accepts
04:15 bag             from bag - jedi wannabe
04:15 bag             I'd like a fun signature like that
04:14 wahanui         koha-devel is most likely the best koha list there is (Hey, Im a bot, im biased) and can be found at http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
04:14 eythian         koha-devel
04:14 mtompset        oh my!
04:14 eythian         email
04:14 mtompset        Where are you reading this?!
04:14 eythian         bag: oh, so it is!
04:14 bag             ah but eythian that's from the Secretary General
04:13 mtompset        Fear makes people do stupid things.
04:13 mtompset        That is true. And yes... but people are afraid of learning curves.
04:12 eythian         you're also totally out of the update stream and running an unsupported system
04:12 eythian         it certainly sounds like the wrong corner to cut
04:12 mtompset        I'll give you that, but you should already know that if some corners can be cut, people will cut them.
04:12 bag             I'm with eythian on this -- WHY
04:12 eythian         also, I'd expect you'd spend more time making things work that are a bit broken than you would spend installing and learning linux.
04:11 eythian         It's not a server-quality operating system, unless you pay extra.
04:10 mtompset        And being able to use koha on a default computer is a nice thing.
04:10 mtompset        eythian: Because a large percentage of computers run windows by default when you purchase them.
04:10 eythian         why do people keep trying to port koha to windows? It just seems like a bad idea.
04:09 huginn          bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 10.9°C (8:09 PM PST on November 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
04:09 bag             @wunder 93102
04:09 bag             evening
03:52 huginn          eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (4:30 PM NZDT on November 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
03:52 eythian         @wunder nzwn
03:47 wizzyrea        but no, not a formal bug, yet.
03:47 wizzyrea        it is, if it's not intended ;)
03:47 mtompset        wizzyrea: Is that related to a bug?
03:01 huginn          wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
03:01 wizzyrea        @later tell khall question: with the syspref UseCourseReserves set to "don't use" should course reserves be showing up in the More menu?
02:59 wizzyrea        the syspref does seem to correctly hide it from the OPAC
02:57 wizzyrea        with the syspref UseCourseReserves set to "don't use" should course reserves be showing up in the More menu?
02:57 wizzyrea        errr
02:25 WaylonR         mtompset, cool.
02:00 mtompset        dpk: You here?
02:00 mtompset        WaylonR: I'm working up my listed of things I commented on, so I'll make it back to 9055 eventually.
01:06 dcook           Well, thanks in any case :)
01:06 dcook           Hmm, laptop is not having a good day
01:04 eythian         apt-file is its own thing because it's not something that end users generally need, and it also has to maintain an extra database of all package info
01:01 jcamins         Or you're thinking of apt-cache show -f, which I believe requires you to have the package installed.
01:00 jcamins         But dpkg -c requires you to have the deb package file.
01:00 jcamins         dpkg -c
01:00 dcook           wizzyrea: Debian
01:00 wizzyrea        yeesh, what OS?
01:00 jcamins         You're thinking of...
01:00 dcook           I guess it does have its own package, huh
01:00 jcamins         apt-file? No it's not.
00:59 dcook           jcamins: That's my next thought, but I think it's supposed to just be a command in apt O_o
00:59 jcamins         apt-get install apt-file?
00:58 dcook           Looks like it has a dash
00:58 wizzyrea        apt file, no dash?
00:57 dcook           Apparently I don't have the apt-file command..
00:55 eythian         also debian/koha-common.dirs and what not in there
00:54 dcook           But I like your way much better
00:54 dcook           debian / koha-common.README.Debian is the one I was thinking of
00:53 eythian         apt-file list koha-common
00:53 dcook           Ahh
00:52 dcook           Hmm, I swear there used to be a page that said where the packages put files...
00:48 dcook           I suppose I could use the koha-install-log as a wayfinder..
00:47 dcook           Exactly my fear
00:46 eythian         the packages and a tarball install some things to the same location, so there is a small risk of something going a bit weird.
00:45 dcook           Like trying to install the packages but finding outdated Koha files already there and then things exploding
00:44 dcook           In this case, I'm just wondering about any potential conflicts
00:44 dcook           As packages seem pretty easy to remove overall
00:44 dcook           Although you'd only need to do so for programs that you installed from source, yes?
00:42 jcamins         dcook: for a personal server, I wouldn't worry about uninstalling unless I was running out of space. In which case I would apply rm judiciously.
00:42 dcook           I'll have to inquire with the folks I might be helping
00:41 dcook           If I cut out, thanks for the help and advice :)
00:41 dcook           Oh, looks like the internet is going down...
00:41 dcook           It certainly seems the most common
00:41 eythian         it's pretty much the best practice way these days
00:41 eythian         even the little self-hosting councils we work with have a system with a bunch of VMs
00:40 eythian         yeah
00:40 eythian         if something is important enough to have a server devoted to it, you should do it right
00:40 dcook           Or would a smart sysadmin put every system on its own VM?
00:40 dcook           Surely people must run servers of their own that run multiple systems.
00:40 dcook           Mind you, eythian, when you say in general...in general for vendors or in general for most folk?
00:39 dcook           Hmm. Good to know.
00:38 dcook           I suspected that I was in the right line of work...;)
00:38 jcamins         If you're running a serious server, paranoia should be the order of the day.
00:37 dcook           Interesting. That would be my default position as well, but I figured that might be a bit over and beyond what people would generally do.
00:35 jcamins         That's what I mean. I'd usually just reinstall the OS.
00:34 eythian         in general, if you're repurposing a server, you'd reinstall everything anyway
00:33 dcook           (Or just in general deciding you don't want Koha anymore)
00:33 dcook           Switching from standard to packages
00:32 jcamins         But I'd ask myself why I was doing this, and probably decide this was unnecessary.
00:32 jcamins         If you created one there is.
00:32 dcook           There's no system level Koha user with a standard install, right?
00:32 jcamins         Right, that's one of the things you're rm'ing.
00:32 dcook           Then whatever apache config
00:31 jcamins         If you did a standard install, yeah, pretty much.
00:31 dcook           So go around and make sure you've nuked all the koha dirs?
00:31 jcamins         With packages, of course, koha-remove and apt-get purge
00:31 wahanui         i guess koha-remove is for removing instances.
00:31 eythian         koha-remove
00:30 jcamins         dcook: rm and drop database.
00:30 dcook           I've never noticed one..
00:30 dcook           Hmm, is there an uninstall option for Koha?
00:27 WaylonR         hiya mtompset
00:27 WaylonR         hiya all
00:19 wizzyrea        I think merely invoking his name helped my understanding of what his test plan was trying to tell me
00:18 wizzyrea        is alright
00:18 bag             yeah he's been out a few hours now
00:18 wizzyrea        khall is long gone eh
00:15 eythian         yeah, you could technically convert a regular install to a package install, but you'll always have issues with it I'd expect.
00:14 dcook           I've only done package installs, but I imagine it depends on where they've put their Koha files?
00:14 dcook           That's what I was thinking, but I was wondering if that might cause any issues
00:13 eythian         Though probably best done by setting a package-driven instance on the machine and moving the data into it.
00:13 dcook           That's good to hear :)
00:13 eythian         it's quite possible
00:13 eythian         umm
00:12 dcook           How easy is it to go from a standard install to a package install?
00:12 dcook           Question to package users...
00:11 * wizzyrea      ticks boxes and modifies and deletes items all afternoon
00:11 wizzyrea        I can't even... *sob* it's so beautiful.
00:02 bag             yup :)
00:02 jcamins         lol
00:02 eythian         I'm given to understand that they are really very different things
00:02 bag             jcamins ^^^ should enjoy that one
00:02 bag             poor girl will always call persimmons - mangos now
00:02 bag             but gingin's grandma was feeding her persimmons today and calling it mango..  funny thing was gingin was finally saying the word "mango"
00:01 bag             I love them now - my grandma used to always make the best ones and Sonja and I could never repeat them
00:00 * bag           didn't really learn how to do roasted potatoes correctly until my last trip to see my english cousins
00:00 wizzyrea        :P
00:00 wizzyrea        yea no crust on that one. Unless you count the potatoes.