Time  Nick        Message
00:01 ashimema    night #koha
00:01 dcook       night ashimema
00:01 dcook       Hope it worked out
00:02 ashimema    I'll attack it again in the morning.. no good apssing out on the keyboard..
00:02 ashimema    think I worked out why the bulkmarcimport one failed at least.. not all my import records have a 035.. so the match query is not built..
00:02 dcook       Hmm, I doubt they should all need that though
00:03 ashimema    really I just want those records skipped.. but my brain didn't want to let me work out how to hack the script at this late hour.
00:03 * ashimema  thinks the scotch didn't help either
00:03 dcook       A good sleep will probably help :)
00:03 ashimema    ineed..
00:03 ashimema    see ya buddy.
00:03 dcook       Have a good one
00:45 pianohacker Good night #koha
00:50 eythian     @later tell ashimema that's exactly what happens, if you have a match and don't have the field, it fails. That's why I don't use match.
00:50 huginn      eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:03 eythian     I dislike how bulkmarcimport doesn't run in a transaction, so if something breaks, half your data is there, and half isn't.
02:05 eythian     also, a transaction would stop the problem with the reindex running while you're importing, as it wouldn't see anything new until everything was committed.
02:07 eythian     ah, so if I add --commit with a big number, it'll do something sensible.
02:33 druthb      o/
02:33 jcamins     o/
02:42 * mtompset  grumbles about references.
03:11 joels68     Greetings once again.
03:12 joels68     Breaker 1 9, anybody got their ears on?
03:15 druthb      Hi, Joel. :)
03:16 joels68     Hi , ruth.
03:17 joels68     Just sharing some Citizens Band radio jargon, the twitter of the 1970s.
03:17 druthb      I remember it well. :)
03:19 joels68     That's a big 10-4, good buddy.
03:20 druthb      joels68: it was good getting to meet you at KohaCon. :)
03:21 joels68     Good meeting you too. I always enjoy meeting fun people.
03:22 druthb      bag and the other ByWaterians are fun people; I'm just weird.   :P
03:23 druthb      mtompset++   #hacking on tests.
03:23 mtompset    improving test coverage even!
03:23 mtompset    Going from 1 test (does the library load) to actually making calls to all the functions in the library!
03:25 eythian     if you wanna be really serious, find a coverage tool and get it to 100% on the module :)
03:25 * druthb    chuckles.
03:26 druthb      I was about to say "oh!  cplint does that!" but that's an internal tool at cPanel.  Silly Ruthie.  That hot mess of a script does several things--tidys, and checks test coverage, couple of other things.
03:26 jcamins     I use Devel::Cover.
03:27 druthb      (our Release Team is kind of fanatical about You Shall Cplint Your Code Before You Submit A Pull Request.  So it's been on my mind lately.)
03:32 * druthb    wanders off to bed early tonight.
03:42 bag         evening
03:43 dcook       hey ya bag
03:46 joels68     howdy bag
03:46 bag         heya joels68
03:52 bag         I'm just watching walking dead the end of season 2...  brutal show
04:47 WaylonR     whats a good template to build a new page on?
04:48 bag         a blank one?
04:49 joels68     ;-)
04:49 WaylonR     hmm? with koha 3.0, i used maint, as that had basically no code etc except for the message.
04:52 joels68     Have you looked at Bootstrap?
04:52 WaylonR     bootstrap?
04:52 wahanui     an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
04:52 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
04:52 WaylonR     this is a intranet page im working on.
05:01 bag         what's the goal WaylonR
05:04 WaylonR     to create a new 'edit member' section, called authentication rules. The concept is, borrowers can be authenticated/blocked by ip address range, or by virtuallhost and referrer. So, its a page, with a editable table on it. Got it in html:tmpl form, but now porting it to koha 3.xx, need to use tt.
05:10 WaylonR     ahh!
05:10 WaylonR     members/notices.tt looks like a good template to start with.
05:10 WaylonR     simple page with a table of notices on it.
05:10 WaylonR     sweet
05:16 bag         :)
05:29 WaylonR     what you think of the authentication rule concept, bag?
05:30 WaylonR     wahanui, who is bag?
05:30 wahanui     I LIKE BASEBALL
05:30 WaylonR     ....
05:31 mtompset    How would that integrate with the LDAP stuff now? I think there is something like that already.
05:33 WaylonR     intergrate? I would think that the Authenrules checks would happen before LDAP, and if the rules say, 1, this user is userid, then LDAP authenication would get bypassed. Authrules only get checked if preference("authrule") is true.
05:35 mtompset    I'm not sure... and my brain is shutting off. It is past midnight here.
05:35 mtompset    I may be turning into a pumpkin. :P
05:36 WaylonR     Bed for you then, not sure.
05:36 WaylonR     mtompset?
05:36 wahanui     hmmm... mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:36 WaylonR     WaylonR?
05:36 wahanui     you are the 34rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. So far so good, with one patch on bugzilla already. Bug 9055
05:36 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
05:46 mtompset    Oh right... 9055 is what I was going to test later this week, right, WaylonR?
05:47 WaylonR     yes, mtompset
05:47 wahanui     well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
05:47 WaylonR     shush, wahanui
05:47 wahanui     WaylonR: i'm not following you...
05:47 WaylonR     of course, because im not on facebook. :)
05:52 * Oak       waves
05:53 Oak         time to sleep mtompset
05:53 Oak         magnuse
05:53 Oak         @wunder islamabad
05:53 huginn      Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 16.0°C (10:00 AM PKT on November 12, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:53 mtompset    In this case, yes. I just posted a patch to bug 7567, and will work on cleaning it up tomorrow.
05:53 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix
05:53 Oak         :)
05:53 Oak         sleep well.
05:54 mtompset    Good to see you again, Oak. :)
05:54 Oak         mtompset++
05:54 Oak         you too mtompset :)
05:54 mtompset    Have a great day, #koha Oak WaylonR bag dcook and other lurking types. :)
06:00 dcook       morning cait
06:00 cait        morning dcook
06:15 * Oak       sends a KitKat to cait
06:16 cait        thx Oak :)
06:16 Oak         see how good that sounds :)
06:17 cait        heh
07:05 WaylonR     how do the preferences editor work? you know, the ability to view, click to edit, then edit, then click save to save, mechanics?
07:43 * magnuse   waves
07:43 magnuse     WaylonR: there is a mix of YAML and JavaScript that accomplishes that, i think
07:45 reiveune    hello
07:47 gaetan_B    hello
08:15 kf          hi #koha
09:23 Herwig      Hey Koha
09:25 Herwig      i try to (want to) change a line in the output of our result page ... wanted to change the (or make one) xslt for that where do i find the default pages
09:41 ashimema    how was your koha installed?  It differs depending upon install method
09:58 Herwig      packages
09:58 wahanui     packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:00 Herwig      3.08
10:00 magnuse     Herwig: look in /usr/share/koha/
10:00 magnuse     there are different folders there for opac and intranet
10:01 Herwig      ok thx
10:01 magnuse     e.g. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:02 magnuse     /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/
10:03 ashimema    You'll want to make copies of the relevant files and use the syspref to point to them.. then update the copies.. else an upgrade will wipe out your modifications.. I think.
10:03 ashimema    I'm no packages pro though...
10:04 magnuse     sounds like good advice
10:04 Herwig      i start testing on my test server to not do anny disasters ;) thx for the info
10:04 ashimema    Good luck Herwig :)
10:10 kf          ashimema++
10:49 tcohen      morning kf
10:56 magnuse     kia ora tcohen
10:56 tcohen      hi magnuse!
10:57 magnuse     tcohen: isn't it very early for you?
10:57 tcohen      7:57
10:57 tcohen      i'm up since 7 today
10:57 magnuse     ah, ok
10:57 tcohen      kindof lazy usually
10:57 magnuse     hehe
10:57 tcohen      not today :-D
10:58 * magnuse   did not realize you are 2 hours ahead of new york...
10:59 tcohen      that's correct :-D
10:59 tcohen      i'm starting to dig into the not-so-many packages-related bugs
11:01 magnuse     i see 20 bugs related to packaging?
11:02 tcohen      i found 37
11:03 magnuse     including enh?
11:03 tcohen      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=81097&namedcmd=Packages-search
11:03 tcohen      exactly
11:03 magnuse     "The search named Packages-search does not exist." :-)
11:04 tcohen      oh, it is local to my user
11:04 magnuse     probably
11:04 tcohen      basically is all but closed/wontfix/invalid
11:05 magnuse     i excluded "pushed to master/stable"
11:05 * magnuse   wonders why localhost is still showing "It works!" after the default site has been disabled
11:07 tcohen      maybe you have nothing enabled
11:08 magnuse     no, my koha dev installation is enabled
11:09 tcohen      apache 2.4?
11:10 magnuse     2.4.6 i think
11:10 magnuse     on ubuntu recently upgraded to 13.10
11:14 tcohen      i ran into several problems until i got it running
11:14 tcohen      (13.10 too)
11:15 tcohen      the most annoying was a "Forbidden" message
11:15 tcohen      related to a default config in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:16 tcohen      <Directory />
11:16 tcohen      Options FollowSymLinks
11:16 tcohen      AllowOverride None
11:16 tcohen      Require all granted
11:16 tcohen      </Directory>
11:17 tcohen      (it is not safe, but got it working)
11:20 magnuse     hm, i think i nailed part of it: files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ need to have a .conf suffix
11:21 magnuse     because of how they are included in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
11:22 magnuse     i guess i accepted the new defaul config file(s) for apache when i did the upgrade
11:22 tcohen      oh
11:23 tcohen      I tried changing the includes line to match * instead of *.conf
11:23 tcohen      but a2ensite wouldn't like them without .conf
11:24 tcohen      ph, leaving to the office
11:24 tcohen      bbl!
11:24 magnuse     see ya!
11:35 magnuse     ...and there i ran into the problem tcohen was talking about...
11:35 magnuse     for the record: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#access
11:36 magnuse     we better be prepared for this when apache 2.4 comes to debian...
12:07 tcohen      morning #koha
12:11 ashimema    morning tcohen
12:12 tcohen      hi ashimema
12:41 kivilahtio  are there any architectural documents available for Koha?
13:17 tcohen      is there something serials-specific in analytics code?
13:17 tcohen      on koha-es some people are concerned that manuscripts analytics don't offer the same options/functionality
13:31 kf          tcohen: it depends on how you do analytics
13:31 kf          and yes, if you use 001 currently the monograph doesn't show the link - you'd have to change the xslt
13:31 kf          i have to get to look into that at some point... just not sure how to solve
13:31 kf          maybe needs to be syspref driven (always or never show the link)
13:32 tcohen      can't it be calculated on the presence of 001?
13:33 kivilahtio  you could check out bug 11175
13:33 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Show the parent records child records (aka. component parts) in the detailed views.
13:33 kf          jcamins: around?
13:33 jcamins     kf: yeah.
13:34 kivilahtio  tcohen: kf : This is my way of pushing the component relation to Koha, but I havent figured a way to force 001 == biblionumber for new bibliographic records
13:34 kivilahtio  haven't taken a look at it either
13:36 kf          the forcing is not the problem
13:36 kf          tcohen: our records all have a 001 :)
13:36 kf          tcohen: and when you import records, they will have 001 from their source often,
13:36 kf          tcohen: the parent does not know about its children
13:37 tcohen      we need a way to express that
13:39 gaetan_B    bye!
13:40 kf          tcohen: anything on record level won#t work with our workflow
13:40 kf          tcohen: there might be a way to link from parent to child in marc
13:40 kf          you'd have to check the 7xx fields i think
14:38 vfernandes  hello
14:39 vfernandes  i have too problems in my koha 3.12 UNIMARC installation: searching on any by barcode of callnumber isn't working and callnumber ordering isnt's working too
14:39 vfernandes  *i have two problems
14:42 vfernandes  Bug 9830
14:42 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9830 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Some UNIMARC item indexes could be broken whith Queryweightfields syspref
14:47 vfernandes  using indexes barcode and callnumber I can search, but using any not
14:50 vfernandes  using for example the barcode 01000014911 I get 0 results... using 01000014911* I get one result
14:54 kf          vfernandes: are you usng grs1 or dom indexing?
14:54 kf          master? 3.12?
14:54 kf          ah 3.12
14:54 pastebot    "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Record in yaz client" (68 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/257
14:54 vfernandes  dom indexing
14:54 wahanui     dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
14:54 kf          i think a lot of work went into unimarc indexing for 3.14 - but ther eare still some patches not tested and pushed
14:55 kf          dom indexing for bibliographic data got only added for 3.14
14:55 kf          I thin
14:55 kf          k
14:55 kf          there were patches about the item indexing
14:55 vfernandes  no that's for authorities records
14:55 vfernandes  for biblio there is support in 3.12
14:56 vfernandes  look at this line : <z:index name="Any:w Any:p">0100001491105714ISCTE-IUL0MQ.103 FER*Aná (Res)2011-04-290AM_RESISCTE-IULISCTE</z:index>
14:56 vfernandes  the barcode 01000014911 appears
14:56 vfernandes  so it should be searchable without *
14:57 jcamins     vfernandes: looks like there are spaces missing.
14:57 vfernandes  how I can add the spaceS?
14:58 jcamins     I am not sure.
14:58 vfernandes  in record.abs the line is all any
14:58 jcamins     DOM doesn't use record.abs.
14:58 jcamins     It uses the other files in that directory.
14:59 vfernandes  biblio-koha-indexdefs and biblio-zebra-indexdefs
14:59 jcamins     Right.
15:00 vfernandes  but there isn't any entry for "all"
15:00 jcamins     The index is "Any"
15:02 pastebot    "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/258
15:02 pastebot    "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Any index" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/259
15:02 jcamins     Yup. Apparently that needs to add spaces.
15:02 jcamins     I do not know how to do that.
15:05 vfernandes  anyone know how to do it?
15:07 kf          vfernandes: i think you shoudl cross check in a 3.14 database -it hink item indexing got fixes
15:17 jcamins     Fennel! We're getting fennel! :D
15:17 rambutan    watcha gonna do with fennel?
15:18 jcamins     Probably caramelize it.
15:20 rambutan    I wonder if there's such a thing as French Fennel Soup (à la French Onion Soup)
15:23 kf          fennel and onion are not really the same tho
15:23 jcamins     No, but I can see it making a good soup.
15:23 * kf        prefers salad... or maybe caramelized
15:24 jcamins     Yeah, I like the salad best of all, but we're only getting one fennel.
15:25 kf          ouch
15:27 oleonard    I don't think I know what fennel tastes like
15:28 jcamins     Licorice, but good.
15:28 jcamins     If you can imagine that seeming contradiction.
15:28 * oleonard  can't :P
15:28 kf          hm more aniseed to me
15:29 oleonard    I don't think can get it in stores here... maybe at the farmer's market
15:29 jcamins     kf: I figure if oleonard hasn't tasted fennel he probably hasn't tasted anise either.
15:29 kf          oleonard: you shoudl really try fennel :)
15:31 rambutan    maybe I'll grow some fennel next year and send jcamins two.
15:32 rambutan    http://www.jungseed.com/dp.asp?pID=02415
15:34 oleonard    "Also called Finocchio" ?
15:35 oleonard    The celery who dreamed of being a real boy.
15:35 jcamins     lol
16:11 druthb      o/
16:20 vfernandes  kf and jcamins... problem solved
16:20 vfernandes  i've looked up to 3.14 files
16:21 vfernandes  and done two changes
16:25 rambutan    http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice/   <- interesting
16:27 kf          bye all - it's sushi time :)
16:28 rambutan    sushi time
16:30 vfernandes  the callnumber ordering is still not working :/
16:53 reiveune    bye
18:15 magnuse     \o
18:20 magnuse     jcamins: my fave fennel receipe is similar to this: http://ouritaliantable.com/2013/04/27/pasta-con-le-sarde-pasta-and-sardines-the-national-dish-of-sicily/
18:21 jcamins     Interesting.
18:21 wahanui     interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
18:21 jcamins     We don't have any sardines.
18:21 magnuse     except i cook the fennel, instead of sauteing
18:21 magnuse     i use canned sardines
18:22 jcamins     By cook you mean bake?
18:23 magnuse     nah, sorry boil
18:23 magnuse     "koke" (boil) in norwegian = cook in my head ;-)
18:23 jcamins     Hehe.
18:23 jcamins     Got it.
18:23 magnuse     and it works without sardines too
18:43 martian523  hi, i noticed there's a tiny problem with "item type".  When new titles come in, I would put them as "New Books".  After a while we would pull them down and change the status to "Books".  What I've noticed is that these books are still in the "New Books" list, but when I clicked on the title, the status is already changed to "books"
18:43 martian523  Is there a way to fix it?
18:44 jcamins     martian523: can you explain more clearly what the problem is?
18:44 jcamins     When you say "New Books list," do you mean you create an actual list?
18:46 jcamins     Because that sounds like it's working the way it's supposed to.
18:49 martian523  o, sorry, not list
18:50 martian523  item type is new books
18:50 martian523  so i would put new titles as "new books" as item type
18:51 martian523  when they're no longer "new books", i would change the item type to "books"
18:52 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
18:52 magnuse     hiya mtompset
18:52 mtompset    Greetings, magnuse.
18:53 martian523  however, if i search by "new books", these books still exist as "new"
18:53 jcamins     Okay. I see.
18:53 jcamins     And you waited ten minutes after making the change?
18:53 jcamins     (for the indexer to catch up)
18:53 martian523  we did the change yesterday
18:53 jcamins     Okay.
18:54 jcamins     And you changed the item type on the item or the biblio?
18:54 martian523  i checked both, they're "books"
18:54 jcamins     Hrm.
18:57 martian523  o, by the way, i just asked my staff
18:58 martian523  the status of these titles were changed back a long time ago
18:58 martian523  but still appearing in "new books"
19:03 jcamins     Odd. How are you searching for new books?
19:03 jcamins     Checking the item type in advanced search?
19:33 martian523  yep
19:33 martian523  sorry for the late replies
20:11 tcohen      bye #koha
20:11 tcohen      remember string freeze is approaching for stable
20:18 * cait      waves
20:20 rambutan    waves
20:23 cait        hi rambutan
20:24 wizzyrea    rambutan: I recall when we were initially looking at digitisation solutions, that I thought Omeka would be better for purpose, but I was overruled due to it's lack of social features by the Tech Coordinator at the time.
20:24 wizzyrea    sorry that conversation started ages ago. :P
20:25 rambutan    yea, well, it's still an interesting conversation
20:26 rambutan    I've tried DSpace and Greenstone, didn't care much for GS, and have subsequently defaulted to DSpace, but Omeka is newerish and never appeared on my radar before
20:27 rangi       morning
20:27 wizzyrea    yeah and now there's islandora too.
20:27 wizzyrea    mornin rangi
20:27 rambutan    something about kete when we have it a brief spinup made me think it would be good for documenting "verbal histories" (think there's a better term for that which escapes me at the moment)
20:27 wizzyrea    narratives?
20:27 rambutan    s/have/gave
20:28 rambutan    yea, that works
20:28 rambutan    afternoon rangi
20:28 jcamins     Omeka is really quite different from DSpace, IMO, though.
20:28 rambutan    how so?
20:28 * wizzyrea  saw that on a list of "words that ought to be banned from use due to recent overuse"
20:28 rambutan    in design, or in functionality?
20:28 jcamins     What? "IMO"?
20:28 wizzyrea    i.e. it's buzzwordy
20:29 wizzyrea    yes, he probably wants to know why you hold that opinion :)
20:29 jcamins     wizzyrea: no, that was a question for you.
20:29 jcamins     rambutan: DSpace is repository-oriented, whereas Omeka is exhibition-oriented.
20:30 wizzyrea    oh, no. Narratives.
20:30 jcamins     Oh.
20:30 wizzyrea    I was calling myself out on buzzword usage :P
20:30 wizzyrea    yayee.
20:37 rambutan    http://omeka.org/blog/2010/09/21/omeka-and-peers/   <- reading now
20:40 rambutan    omeka certainly has an attitude of "We're better than everybody else".
20:41 rangi       they are both last century ideas
20:41 rangi       imho
20:41 rangi       neither of them work well for growing/changing things .. they work well for 'finished'
20:42 jeff        rangi: "both" in this context is still DSpace / Greenstone?
20:43 rangi       yep
20:43 rangi       altho i dont like omeka either but for different reasons
20:44 jcamins     I like the idea of Omeka.
20:44 wizzyrea    I do too.
20:44 jeff        we use omeka for our local history site, but i haven't had my hands in it much.
20:44 wizzyrea    the execution is mmmm it's alright I gues.s
20:45 jeff        the idea of a repository feeding omeka is appealing to me, mostly because i think the repository might have something to add when it comes to keeping the original full-resolution stuff "safe".
20:45 jeff        but that might be a bad way of thinking. :-)
20:46 wizzyrea    a proper repository is important.
20:47 jeff        for some libraries, "bunch of files in a directory writeable by www-data but with good backups" in omeka might be enough. it might be better than "set up / get access to a full-on repository and feed omeka or similar with that"
20:48 rangi       *nod*
20:48 rangi       i think it creates bad habits
20:48 jeff        "better" in the sense that they can do it faster, iterate, add better backend later.
20:48 jeff        but "worse" in the sense that they may never add that better backend, and the backups may never be tested. :-)
20:49 rangi       exacterly, and no versioning
20:50 jcamins     portsnap update
20:50 jcamins     Oops.
20:50 jcamins     Wrong window, worry.
20:53 talljoy     gmcharlt  http://tinyurl.com/mp2u63c  <-This just saved my life.  Thanks!!!
20:53 talljoy     gmcharlt++
20:53 rambutan    omeka uses quicktime movies for all its screencasts. Won't play on my Linux.
20:54 rambutan    minus points
20:55 rambutan    even vlc won't play them
20:56 jcamins     rambutan: surely a version soon will add support for HTML5.
20:59 mtompset    @later tell papa I can't reproduce errors using origin/master related to the opac-MARCdetail.pl code you patched for bug 11183. Can you give an example screen shot of something that triggers an error?
20:59 huginn      mtompset: The operation succeeded.
21:01 mtompset    @later tell papa Ah, success! Found a case.
21:01 huginn      mtompset: The operation succeeded.
22:05 martian523  sorry, i'm back
22:05 martian523  so no solution for my problem?
22:07 cait        martian523: what are your itemtype codes?
22:07 cait        i have only seen some of the discussions in the logs
22:08 cait        and what's the exact search you are using?
22:08 martian523  i use advanced search, click on item type "new books", then search
22:09 cait        yes, but what is your itemtype code defined in administration?
22:09 martian523  itemtype code...
22:09 martian523  hold on
22:10 martian523  nbk
22:10 martian523  nbk for new book
22:10 martian523  bk for books
22:14 martian523  and it seems like this happened only for 18 titles.  the switch for other new books to books are ok
22:15 cait        hmm
22:16 cait        maybe not reindexed right? but i don't know why that would happen
22:17 martian523  yeah, kinda interesting.  the ones we updated yesterday seems to be doing fine
22:17 martian523  these 18 titles were updated a while back
22:18 cait        you could try changing something in the record
22:18 cait        see if the change gets picked up
22:19 martian523  ok, i'll try that.
22:20 martian523  thanks!