Time Nick Message
23:26 dcook Interesting...we encode ampersands at the bib-level but not at the item-level
23:20 dcook The browser handles it just find but my script doesn't..
23:20 dcook yarp
23:20 pianohacker & ?
23:19 dcook Mmm double-encoded ampersands...that's fun...
23:17 * ashimema sets 'alias su='ECHO Noooooo!!!'
23:15 jcamins wizzyrea: hehe.
23:15 dcook hehe
23:15 wizzyrea no su after 2
23:14 jcamins ashimema: that's the ticket. 190 proof.
23:13 dcook hehe
23:13 ashimema glad to see someone else resorts to a crap load of warns on ocassions.
23:12 dcook ashimema: After that, I'd probably throw in a billion warns into ImportBatch.pm and Charset.pm
23:12 * ashimema heads downstairs to grab a large scotch
23:11 dcook jcamins: true true
23:10 jcamins dcook: tasty enough, but not tasty enough to offset the MARC.
23:09 ashimema hmm.. it really doesn't like my marc file..
23:09 dcook But so tasty...
23:09 ashimema :)
23:09 jcamins ashimema: gin is only 40% alcohol. MARC requires more.
23:07 dcook gin?
23:06 ashimema cheers dcook.. I'm gin over my marc file again now.
23:06 dcook Looks like MarcToUTF8Record returns an empty object if it can't parse the record
23:05 rangi http://blogs.perl.org/users/jeff_thalhammer1/2013/11/announcing-perl-critic-1121-with-cert-themes.html
23:05 dcook Looks like it throws an error only if it is a MARC::Record object with no fields
23:02 ashimema unzipping it give 1 and 1.. interesting..
23:01 ashimema but.. that gave: 1903 in file, 1903 failed due to MARC error
23:01 dcook That could do it
23:01 ashimema hmm.. interesting.. looks like the first file was actually a gziped isomarc.. oops.
23:00 dcook ashimema: Is it giving you a number? Like '42 records not staged because of MARC error'?
22:59 pianohacker well that's probably not right
22:59 wahanui eythian: I forgot current version
22:59 eythian wahanui: forget current version
22:59 wahanui Current version is probably 3.2.5
22:59 peggy Current version
22:59 eythian chrome and firefox are more or less the same speed these days
22:59 dcook ashimema: I was hoping you were going to say marcxml, because I think the bulk import only handles iso marc :/
22:59 wizzyrea what version of firefox?
22:58 peggy We use firefox, I can try chrome
22:58 eythian and how you've installed, etc.
22:58 ashimema though it's easy enough to switch to marcxml
22:58 eythian it depends totally on your configuration
22:58 ashimema isomarc
22:58 peggy cached
22:58 peggy HOw long the css/js is set to be cahed?
22:58 rangi have you tried in different browsers, firefox faster than ie 9 or less, chrome faster than firefox is what i would expect
22:58 rangi peggy: also the browser makes a difference, and also how long the css/js is set to be cached by
22:57 wizzyrea ^
22:57 eythian peggy: it probably would help, but it's hard to quantify by how much.
22:57 dcook ashimema: Are you loading up marcxml or iso marc?
22:57 peggy I would go to a bigger server and/or more memory if that would help.
22:56 peggy We are around 2 seconds, I know the delay is not due to network, since I can change a logging preference in half a second
22:55 * wizzyrea guesses from your question that it's taking longer than you think it should
22:55 ashimema yeah.. tis a bit of a bugger
22:55 dcook ashimema: Ah, right. Dinger. Hmm. I don't think I've encountered that error myself.
22:55 wizzyrea over that and something, somewhere, is funny.
22:55 wizzyrea but usually you would expect something within 1-10 seconds
22:55 peggy Right. My question is how good can it be?
22:54 wizzyrea peggy - that depends a lot on what the connection to the server is like, what the current load is on the system, and lots of factors
22:54 ashimema anyone happen to know what throws : 'records not staged because of MARC error' It seemed to come up awefully quick to have actually checked much
22:53 peggy What is a reasonable expectation for the amount of time it should take between entering a barcode and having Koha confirm the checkin?
22:53 Koha_rookie thanks a lot, I hope I will share my experience, Have a good import ;)
22:52 ashimema yeah.. I've found it.. looks like it acts upon records already in the DB though.. my import fails before I get that far
22:52 ashimema wahanui is a bot Koha_rookie.. but yeah... I'll be about for a bit.. can't go to bed until this import works :(
22:51 Koha_rookie I´d really appreciate your help ashimena and wahanui I´ll try with those packages
22:50 dcook ashimema: cronjobs/MARC21_parse_test.pl. I'm not sure when it was introduced but it's floating around in master
22:49 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
22:49 wizzyrea packages?
22:49 Koha_rookie ok, great, do you have the latest wiki for the latest version?
22:49 ashimema cheer dcook
22:49 ashimema they're muhc more of a 'Just Works' approach.
22:48 ashimema Koha_rookie.. if your will to start again, then the prefered install method these days is to use packages.
22:48 dcook MARC21_parse_test.pl, I think
22:48 ashimema bulkmarcimport wouldn't have complained.. that mark file has been imported with minimal changes before ;)
22:47 * dcook has a little look
22:47 Koha_rookie is it recommendable to update my version to 3.12.06 and start from scratch? I didn any data conversion
22:47 ashimema mm. somewhere maybe :s
22:47 dcook ashimema: I think there is a script that can check that out for you
22:47 jcamins What should we have for dinner?
22:46 wizzyrea rangi++
22:46 jcamins *you're
22:46 rangi emailed
22:46 jcamins Koha_rookie: maybe your missing some dependencies?
22:46 ashimema ack.. now what could be wrong with my marc records for the stage marc import to say they're bad :(
22:44 rangi jcamins: im doing so off list
22:43 Koha_rookie nope, everytime we tried we get the same error
22:42 jcamins Koha_rookie: were you ever able to change system preferences?
22:42 rangi heh
22:42 jcamins Someone else gets to tell that person that The koha-community.org website is for the Koha project.
22:40 Koha_rookie and the koha logs? We checked that one (koha-error_log) and we have the following error "Premature end of scripts header: systempreferences"
22:38 Koha_rookie yep...I guess so, we are looking the logs...
22:38 jcamins You'll need to check your web server logs.
22:38 jcamins Or, it may have something to do with translations, but that pref isn't at fault.
22:38 eythian use the logs, luke :)
22:38 * ashimema scratch head
22:37 ashimema OH.. that's a endemic of more serious problems.
22:37 jcamins In that case it has nothing to do with the translations.
22:37 jcamins Oh.
22:37 Koha_rookie moreover, we are trying to change any parameters and it raise the same error....
22:37 jcamins Did you try changing them separately?
22:36 Koha_rookie both of it
22:35 jcamins This is language or opaclanguage you're trying to change?
22:35 pianohacker the pointer to shibboleth was a huge boon; it's a big overcomplicated pain in the ass, but still easier than doing it in perl
22:35 Koha_rookie jcamins: exactly
22:35 pianohacker ashimema++
22:35 jcamins Koha_rookie: and when you check Spanish and click Save, you get the error?
22:34 ashimema pianohacker: that's looking like some great work there.. can't wait to test it once you submit it :) It took me so long to get over that fist hurdle of getting a connection working, that my time dried up for the extra development.
22:33 Koha_rookie Nope, I just see two checkboxs in the I18N/L10N, English (checked) and Spanish (unchecked)
22:32 jcamins Are you able to switch languages when it's not the default?
22:32 jcamins Just making I understood why you had v3.12.01 instead of v3.12.06.
22:31 jcamins That's what I meant.
22:31 Koha_rookie not really, a couple of months ago
22:31 jcamins So you installed a while ago?
22:30 Koha_rookie wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball
22:29 Koha_rookie let me find it
22:27 ashimema point us at the tutorial Koha_rookie.. unfortunately there are now an abundance of tutorials for various versions and methods.. many of which are now a bad idea (i'm working on getting rid of some on the wiki some time soon)
22:26 jcamins What tutorial?
22:26 Koha_rookie We followed the tutorial, v3.12.01
22:25 ashimema excellent.. I'm looking after that bug now.. trying to keep it rebased in the hopes someone will come along and test it.. fixed a bug regardin reverseDNS too.. I think.
22:25 ashimema Koha_rookie: OK, lets go back a couple of steps.. what version of koha are we talking about and how did you install it. Packages?
22:23 pianohacker ashimema: I'm in the process of doing just that for my own bugs, yeah... And yes, it is based on his stuff, just rebased.
22:23 Koha_rookie here is the symptom, I´ve entered in the administration/preferences/Global settings and I tried to check "Español" as a default language (currently is English) but once I did that I receive "Internal server error"....very generic error
22:21 Koha_rookie any help is appreciated ;)
22:20 ashimema what the problem Koha_rookie.. i may or may not be able to shed some light
22:20 ashimema Is it based upon matthias's work?.. be good to get it submitted as dependant upon that initial foray rather than in amongst it.. I'm a big fan of breaking these things into smaller chunks for the whole sign-off/qa routine.
22:19 Koha_rookie Hi, anyone that can help with some issues in language settings? Koha v3.12.01, on Mint / Sql and perl installed
22:18 pianohacker ashimema: https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/tree/shibboleth-v3.12.06
22:18 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
22:18 ashimema awesome..
22:18 pianohacker ashimema: It's going well, have the autocreate in place (rebased against 3.12.06) on my github
22:17 ashimema pianohacker.. hows that shibboleth stuff coming.. I was thinking of writting a followup somtime in the next couple of weeks to do the update/replicate procedures.. but was holding off incase you were going places with it?
22:16 dcook hey guys :)
22:16 pianohacker hey dcook
22:16 ashimema hey dcook :)
22:15 ashimema 998 is actually a pretty nice place.. I like that idea.. doesn't polute the records as much
22:15 ashimema maybe I'll try those other import scripts jcamins and cait recommend
22:15 eythian I used to put them in 024a, but now I just find somewhere in 998
22:15 ashimema so frustrating.
22:15 ashimema I just get: unable to search the database for duplicates : No query entered at /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 220, <GEN13> line 1506.
22:14 * dcook waves to ashimema
22:14 ashimema hmm
22:13 ashimema I was using direct matching upon a number from their old system (i'm in the habit of dumping old uid's in the 035).. I had to re-add the 035a index to zebra.. which worked.. but there will be a number of new records with no 035.. and that should be fine..
22:10 eythian later cait
22:10 cait night :)
22:09 eythian but matching by ISBN is always unreliable anyway, causes more problems than it solves.
22:09 jcamins I don't remember configuring that to work.
22:09 jcamins Cool.
22:08 eythian it has your name, yes
22:08 eythian ashimema: it's along those lines, yeah. Part of the problem I had was that I was matching on ISBN and the whole import would abort if it saw a record without one.
22:08 jcamins Does whois have anything about me?
22:08 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
22:08 jcamins eythian: interesting.
22:08 jcamins Well, I respond to four of the five options from [name,nick]
22:08 eythian jcamins: I note that a whois would also tell you :)
22:07 ashimema that's good to know..
22:07 ashimema eythian, is this the kind of syntax you used?.. ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -t -b -match NFER-number,035a -v -file Results/bibl.mrc -v >Logs/load_bibl_fix.log
22:07 * jcamins responds to both.
22:07 ashimema yeah.. your name slipped instead of your nick..
22:07 bag :)
22:07 mrx mtj, yea working on tracing at the moment. Fingers, toes everything crossed
22:06 mtj mrx, … and if you compare the 2 trace files, you'll definitely get to the bottom of your mystery :)
22:06 jcamins I figured I must've met you since you used my name.
22:06 cait i also told him to be nice... but not sure if that will work
22:06 ashimema :)
22:06 cait :P
22:06 jcamins ashimema: yeah, I asked cait.
22:06 ashimema haha.. you suddenly got who I am then jcamins ;)
22:04 mtj mrx, if you're really curious -- you can always enable dbi tracing around the reporting code, and see what SQL is allowing the reporting module to succeed, too
22:04 eythian I've had little luck with the matching in bulkmarcimport, it seemed to work mostly, but be very fragile. I have a deduplication script I use to tidy things up after. I do use it for imports though.
22:04 jcamins Hi Martin!
22:03 ashimema humm.. am I the only one still using bulkmarcimport..
22:03 ashimema same as cait then..
22:03 jcamins ashimema: I use stage-file and commit-file.
22:03 cait our rule is normally number 3 - matching on 001, but the article shows you can do more complicated things
22:03 ashimema oh.. I see
22:02 cait you need to add your matching rules to the gui first, then you use the number it got there for the command line job
22:02 cait ashimema: normally i don't do the importing, but i have run them successfully
22:02 ashimema what do you use instead of bulkmarkimport then Jared?
22:01 ashimema care to give me a fly by rundown on how to use your usual import scripts indtead cait? I still havent had a chance to get my head around them
22:01 jcamins ashimema: yeah, I just refuse to support bulkmarcimport.
22:00 ashimema but I can't get the bulkmarcimport to work with it
22:00 ashimema Well, I've added my index and it appears to be searching.. although not exactly as I expected..
21:59 ashimema Hmmm...
21:58 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/07/23/match-points-in-koha/
21:58 cait unrelated, but an interesting read about matching
21:57 jcamins ashimema: I know that it never worked for me.
21:56 ashimema anyone here understand the finer points of matching with bulkmarkimport?
21:56 mrx nope, query is exactly as I wrote. Also used place holders, no spaces. Could it be some kind of indexing issue in my instance of koha, shouldn't be because report module is picking it as it is like the same record is popping up with same query there. Sorry, unable to get my head around it and just ranting, I guess. Any help is much appreciated, thx
21:55 mtj yeah, sql sounds fine - its prolly the record thats the problem
21:53 eythian trailing spaces or something like that?
21:52 mrx I think database is ok because interestingly enough, I'm scanning a list of isbns and few records are returning just fine but this one and few others as just not coming up. Although reporting module is picking them up. Let me look into tracing, it might help.
21:50 mtj http://search.cpan.org/~timb/DBI-1.630/DBI.pm#DBI_TRACE
21:49 mtj you might be connecting to the wrong database, and not realising
21:49 mtj DBI->trace(3); etc...
21:48 mtj when i get stuck with dbi, i turn the tracing on
21:48 wahanui weird is normal after a while :)
21:48 mtj hmm, weird...
21:47 mrx Yeap, using $sth->fetchrow_hashref()
21:44 mtj mrx, after your execute - do you actually fetch the result?
21:29 oleonard Bye #koha
21:29 mrx $sth->excute(9781927147986); still returining nada...
21:11 mrx actually tried both ways with and without single quotes, but it a bit strange still no results
20:42 rangi then if it needs '' dbi will do it
20:42 rangi $sth->execute(9781927147986);
20:42 rangi where isbn=?
20:42 rangi and let dbi do it for you
20:42 rangi use placeholders
20:41 rangi or better yet
20:39 mtompset is ISBN a varchar? Where's the single quotes?
20:39 mrx my $rc = $sth->execute();
20:39 mrx my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query);
20:39 mrx my $query = "SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems where isbn=9781927147986";
20:39 mrx my $dbh = $context->dbh();
20:39 mrx my $context = C4::Context->new();
20:39 mrx SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems where isbn=9781927147986
20:39 mrx Below query work just fine in reporting module of koha but when I try to use same through script it is returning null(0E0), any ideas?
20:39 mrx Hi All, I'm just experimenting a simple query to dig an isbn 9781927147986
20:33 mtompset Greetings, rangi oleonard
20:28 oleonard Hi rangi
20:27 rangi morning
20:11 jcamins (today, tomorrow, whenever)
20:11 jcamins Okay. Ping me next time you're around?
20:10 gmcharlt jcamins: on my way out the door for a couple hours
20:10 jcamins gmcharlt: around?
19:56 mtompset Oh good... on a positive note, I have the listed in my address list, so I should be able to avoid this in the future.
19:55 mtompset Ah... Yucky.
19:54 slef mtompset: didn't you realise that developers didn't put multiple buttons to write emails just for the fun of it? ;-) Developers love metadata too baby yeah
19:53 slef mtompset: see http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Summary-of-Open-session-at-KohaCon13-with-a-focus-on-Funding-the-Future-of-Koha-tp5777436.html
19:52 mtompset ^Consider^Considering^
19:52 mtompset Consider I don't use a threaded email reader (is Windows Live Mail even capable?!) I didn't see the problem, but I know it exists.
19:51 slef heh no problem mtompset... I just got confused while catching up
19:49 mtompset Sorry, slef.
19:09 * mtompset starts work on improving test coverage for t/NewsChannels.t
19:00 jcamins Because use happens at compile time.
19:00 jcamins Yes.
18:57 mtompset Does it have to be?
18:57 mtompset Why is the use_ok() inside of a BEGIN{ }, in a lot of the tests?
18:57 wahanui question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
18:57 mtompset okay, question.
18:49 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
18:47 druthb cait!
18:47 cait hi
17:59 tcohen bye #koha
16:55 mtompset tcohen++ # for copying Galen's good example. :)
16:46 mtompset gmcharlt++ # for appropriately thanking people for their patches. :)
16:35 mtompset Greetings, druthb. I was wearing my chauffeur hat.
16:30 slef a few text overflows but nothing fatal
16:30 slef looks a lot better than the last time I saw it
16:28 kf oleonard: nothing that can't be fixed? :) and also still good for a first impression
16:27 oleonard I wonder if that demo is still tracking my repo? If it is then it's out of date now :(
16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
16:27 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
16:27 kf bootstrap?
16:27 kf bootstrap opac?
16:27 kf responsive opac?
16:26 kf it will be in 3.14
16:26 slef I've been away from the front-end for a while
16:26 slef there's actually a theme called "bootstrap" now?
16:26 kf oleonard++
16:26 kf slef: bootstrap is the latest and greatest :)
16:25 nengard ha
16:24 wahanui rumour has it ccsr is not behaving
16:24 slef ccsr?
16:24 oleonard The latest mobile browser stuff for Koha is the new Bootstrap theme
16:23 slef Is biblibre's 2011 unilim template/css still the latest mobile browser stuff for koha?
16:20 druthb hi slef. :)
16:20 slef hi all
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10871 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Confirmation message for deleting news entries is not translatable
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , ID required for mainaddress fieldset in create new patron
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10376 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Printing cart does not work under IE9
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10731 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , IntranetSlipPrinterJS is not working for hold slips
15:42 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10871: Make confirmation message for deleting news translatable
15:42 jenkins_koha * David Roberts: Bug 10894: Add ID to main address in member entry form
15:42 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10376: fix ability to print cart from IE9 & 10
15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , C4::Items GetHiddenItems fix and optimization
15:42 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10731 - IntranetSlipPrinterJS is not working for hold slips [v3.10/v3.12]
15:42 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10872: UT for GetHiddenItemnumbers and POD fix
15:42 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 10872 - C4::Items GetHiddenItems fix and optimization
15:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #114: SUCCESS in 1 hr 32 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/114/
15:23 oleonard And waiting for a response on a support ticket from those guys is interesting on a national holiday.
15:23 oleonard In order to mimic the denial of service usually associated with being closed we're having an impromptu failure of OverDrive service authentication :|
15:22 jcamins Ooh, that's a lot more useful.
15:21 oleonard Instead of having today off we have the day after Thanksgiving off.
15:21 jcamins oleonard: why are you here? Isn't it a holiday?
15:18 jcamins I have a container full of chocolate-white chocolate chip cookies.
15:16 kf *muahahaha*
15:13 ashimema damn you kf.. you've made me crave a cookie now.
15:03 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
15:01 tcohen hi druthb!
15:00 * druthb waves to mtompset and jcamins and oleonard and tcohen and kf, and then passes out again.
14:59 mtompset Yes, you could data mine before.
14:57 tcohen yes, but 10584 changes the current behaviour
14:57 mtompset Because 10584 was sort of umbrella-ish.
14:57 mtompset That's why I put the depends.
14:57 mtompset 10872 fixes that for MARCdetail.
14:56 mtompset Oops... looking further, tcohen. There was an issue with YAML not being loaded properly.
14:54 oleonard The nice thing about virtual cookies is that you can add anything you want and the recipe still works for you
14:54 tcohen hi mtompset
14:54 jcamins But it's an unusual addition.
14:54 * jcamins thinks it would be good in this situation.
14:53 kf ...
14:53 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:53 jcamins Interesting.
14:53 jcamins kf: you added peanut butter to the coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookie?
14:51 kivilahtio sounds wicked
14:51 kivilahtio peanut butter coconut
14:51 mtompset ^not^nut^ ;)
14:51 kf it's just a chocolate chip peanut butter coconot oatmeal cookie :P
14:50 kivilahtio I already have quite a few :)
14:50 kivilahtio is it a CGICOOKIE?
14:50 kf you can have one too ;)
14:50 kivilahtio bribery!
14:50 * kf hands oleonard the cookie jar
14:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , testing development
14:47 oleonard wtf, Bug 11233
14:47 kivilahtio or maybe Joubu knows something about that?
14:47 mtompset tcohen: You here?
14:47 kivilahtio kf: Ok, I'll start working on a print service interface
14:46 kf yeah, just telling you how it works here - to explain why we have not
14:46 kivilahtio kf: Just curious if anyone has such a service available
14:46 kivilahtio hi mtompset
14:46 kivilahtio we merge all the notifications for one patron to one letter which is printed
14:46 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:45 kf daily
14:45 kf and print themselves
14:45 kf now
14:45 kf libraries here use mostly email nos
14:45 kivilahtio we need to send our overdue notifications to our patrons twice a week.
14:45 kivilahtio hi! Do you have a working overdue notifications print service?
14:31 oleonard Hi #koha
14:13 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:13 tcohen @later tell rangi: jenkins seems to still want to read t/ILSDI_Services.t, which was moved to db_dependet (sort of)
14:10 tcohen Aurora :D
14:10 * magnuse wanders off
14:10 magnuse it will be late winter in march, but that can be nice too :-)
14:10 * magnuse recommends northern norway
14:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #114 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:09 magnuse nice
14:09 tcohen march
14:09 magnuse when will the trip be?
14:09 magnuse w00t!
14:04 tcohen Petter invited me to visit
14:04 tcohen i'm considering Norway too
14:03 magnuse tcohen: norway is nice too! ;-) (bloody expensive, though...)
13:51 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
13:51 tcohen @later tell mtompset are you sure bug 10876 depends on bug 10584?
13:36 tcohen we are too anxious right now :-D
13:35 kf cool :)
13:34 tcohen after the wedding we will make our desicion
13:34 tcohen spain, france, england, maybe germany
13:33 kf france? ;)
13:33 kf where are you going in europe?
13:33 kf nice!
13:33 tcohen europe, on march
13:32 kf going on honeymoon too?
13:32 kf :)
13:31 tcohen :-D
13:31 tcohen Nov 24th
13:31 kf tcohen: hwen is the big day? or was it already?
13:31 tcohen hi kf
13:28 kf hi tcohen
13:21 tcohen morning #koha
12:35 kf jcamins: around?
10:53 magnuse hehe, yeah that would mess things up
10:33 ashimema silly me.
10:33 ashimema aha.. found what I was doing wrong... I was using 'koha_dev' instead of 'dev' as the instance..
10:32 ashimema aha.. the man page has a bit mroe detail.
10:32 ashimema anywho.. I thought they were slowing down their koha efforts.. show what I know. :(
10:32 ashimema The stuff atop it is very new.. this'll be the first user fomr the sounds.
10:31 ashimema sorry.. yeah.. their fork.
10:30 magnuse s/koha/their fork of koha/ i presume...
10:29 ashimema DLS is just a pretty interface atop ArchivalWare and Koha.
10:28 ashimema just asked my colleagues about the PTFS stuff.. it was news to them too.. But.. they do understand what DLS is (as Inc were trying to sell it to us..)
10:28 magnuse have you looked at the man page?
10:28 magnuse ashimema: hm, i don't think there are a lot of docs, apart from the source and the man page
10:25 ashimema hey magnuse.. do you understand how koha-shell works.. (could you point me to some docs for it?)
09:31 magnuse yeah, probably
09:31 kf i guess it's other products and koha only being a small part
09:27 magnuse [off] another version: http://www.liblime.com/u-s-federal-government-awards-multi-million-dollar-multi-year-contract-to-liblime-and-ptfs-for-koha?a=1&c=1254
09:25 magnuse is COTS Digital Library System (DLS) a renaming of their fork?
09:24 magnuse wow, that's weird
09:23 kf [off] http://www.ptfs.com/ptfs-awarded-prime-contract-for-the-u-s-federal-government-ils-next-program3?journal=68
09:23 kf no mention of koha
09:22 kf the press release on their website reads quite different
09:22 kf and here i was hoping that you would know something :)
09:22 ashimema Yowsers.. I did not expect this: http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=18587
09:20 ashimema hello magnuse
09:20 magnuse hiya ashimema
09:03 ashimema Good morning #koha
08:44 ashimema brb
08:43 ashimema Good morning kf
08:38 kf good morning ashimema
08:12 kf BobB++
08:06 kf hi magnuse and marcelr
08:05 marcelr hi magnuse and kf
08:01 magnuse kia ora kf and marcelr
07:58 kf hi #koha
07:55 marcelr hi #koha
07:41 * magnuse waves
06:38 mtompset Have a great day, #koha cait eythian Oak WaylonR and whoever else may be lurking. :)
06:31 mtompset I'm very overdue for sleep.
06:31 mtompset Bye, dcook.
06:31 dcook Nice being back. See everyone later (eventually)
06:31 dcook On that note, I'm out
06:31 dcook Good advice
06:31 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
06:31 mtompset be eythian?
06:31 wahanui Send a patch!
06:31 mtompset be rangi?
05:46 cait :)
05:46 cait hello all
05:45 * dcook waves to cait
05:44 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
05:44 wahanui hello cait are you here?
05:44 eythian hello cait
05:44 eythian np :)
05:40 dcook But thanks :)
05:39 dcook But I couldn't apply an order by in that case
05:38 dcook eythian: The only reason it mattered is that I was doing a diff between two frameworks and the order was causing issues
05:37 dcook Hmm, then it went away...interesting
05:37 dcook Hmm, was able to do it again by deleting all the rows and then re-running the SQL file from the installer
05:35 dcook This is certainly a case in point for what you're saying :)
05:34 dcook But I was wondering what the SQL export in the frameworks was doing
05:34 eythian It is usually the case that they will come out in the order that they were added in, but not always.
05:34 dcook Right, that's usually what I would do
05:33 eythian if you need order, always use order by. If you don't care about order, don't worry about it.
05:33 dcook I noticed that my framework export wasn't writing out the rows "in order", but then I removed my where clause, ran the query, added the where clause again, and now it does..
05:33 eythian if you delete some rows in the middle of a table, and then insert some rows, they may go into the emptied space.
05:32 dcook I think that's the scenario I'm running into now
05:32 eythian but it's not a given
05:32 dcook But not always?
05:32 eythian it might be
05:32 dcook It seems that primary key is sometimes used as a favoured ordering
05:32 eythian but if you don't, there's no favoured ordering.
05:32 eythian yeah, that lets you apply a sort
05:31 dcook At least the order that is displayed
05:31 dcook Order by changes the order
05:31 dcook I've heard that said before, but I'm not sure that I've ever understood
05:30 eythian or for rows in sql tables, more accurately perhaps
05:30 eythian dcook: there is no such thing as order for sql tables
05:28 wahanui it has been said that the is a stop word
05:28 dcook What the..
05:26 dcook for some reason..
05:26 dcook Mmm the tab column perhaps..
05:25 dcook Or that they are retrieved out of order on a select...
05:25 * dcook wonders why "installer-data-mysql-en-marcflavour-marc21-mandatory-marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql" doesn't seem to insert rows in order
05:13 mtompset Thankfully only signal 1 as compared to signal 5.
05:12 mtompset http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/tcupdate.shtml
05:12 mtompset Oh, and for everyone that was paying attention to Haiyan (Yolanda). The Philippines is getting hit with ANOTHER shortly.
05:12 mtompset dcook: Yep. Ugh. :)
05:01 dcook visibility options...ugh
04:28 wahanui one more is better than one less but yeah they should be the same
04:28 Oak okay one more.
04:28 mtompset No, just one more patch. :)
04:28 Oak :)
04:28 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:28 Oak time to sleep for you.
04:28 Oak hello mtompset
04:27 Oak Ahoy me hearties
04:25 WaylonR how can i manually set the dbversion of koha?
04:25 dcook That's what I'm thinking about at the moment :p
04:24 mtompset advanced visibility options on frameworks. :P
04:23 wahanui frameworks are a big topic
04:23 dcook frameworks?
04:23 wahanui frameworks are a big topic
04:23 dcook frameworks?
03:54 mtompset and still give the same behaviour.
03:54 mtompset At least I know it is undef, which means a simple if check around the call should silence up that 314 MARC::File warning.
03:53 eythian so long as use warnings is on.
03:53 * mtompset shrugs.
03:53 eythian It shouldn't make a difference.
03:53 mtompset inside of C4/Search.pm?
03:52 eythian blah:
03:52 eythian Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at -e line 1.
03:52 eythian $ perl -e 'use warnings; print STDERR "blah: " . undef . "\n";'
03:51 eythian it should
03:51 mtompset print STDERR "blah: " . undef . "\n";
03:50 mtompset Ah... it doesn't nest errors on STDERR. :)
03:42 eythian mtompset: it would, yes
03:42 gmcharlt and roll, even, if I remember that chapter correclty ;)
03:41 mtompset What if $item->{$code} was never set? Shouldn't $item->{$code} return undef?
03:41 wizzyrea possibly spiders too, not sure.
03:41 wizzyrea I think it's gonna rock.
03:41 wizzyrea it's got the barrel bit in it and the elf kingdom
03:41 gmcharlt for a film that is part of a set... based on one book
03:41 mtompset Okay... this is weird.
03:41 gmcharlt yes, the paradox of middle-movie-syndrome
03:40 * dcook says only slightly hypercritically
03:40 * dcook hopes the second one is better than the first...
03:37 wizzyrea oooOOOoooo
03:36 eythian http://eventcinemas.co.nz/movie/The-Hobbit-The-Desolation-Of-Smaug# <-- wizzyrea, tickets available now :)
03:30 mtompset C4/Search.pm 1838. :)
03:22 gmcharlt well, either trawl logs or go through all of the calls to MARC::Field->subfield() and look for ones that can possibly be invoked without a defined subfield code being passed to it
03:21 eythian http://search.cpan.org/~dapm/perl-5.14.4/lib/Carp.pm <-- die using this to get a backtrace
03:20 mtompset the Koha code that is.
03:20 gmcharlt or to put it another way: although I'll surely paper over that warning at some point in a future MARC::Record release, the fact that it shows up signals an error in calling code, that MARC::Field
03:19 mtompset So, how would I find the code that calls it badly?
03:17 gmcharlt nope, legacy -- but note that it would not have been out of line for that method to throw an exception if called incorrectly
03:16 mtompset You have no explicit error checking in the code, though. Intentionally done for speed?
03:15 gmcharlt the warning is showing up only because I recently enabled the warnings stricture in MARC::Record and friends
03:15 gmcharlt mtompset: not a bug in MARC::Field, a bug in Koha calling that routine incorrectly and not verifying that it's passing a valid subfield label
03:13 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
03:13 mtompset @later tell gmcharlt Found a minor issue in MARC::File see my comments in bug 11183.
03:12 mtompset gmcharlt: you here?
02:55 * dcook saunters off to put food in his gut
02:55 dcook I suppose if that problem is still around when I upgrade, I'll see it then
02:55 mtompset Hence my patches and enhancements. :)
02:55 mtompset I just know that we are particular about using OpacHiddenItems. :)
02:54 * mtompset shrugs.
02:54 dcook But it's in 3.8.0 and master
02:54 dcook Should fix it :S
02:54 dcook $yaml = "$yaml\n\n"; # YAML is anal on ending \n. Surplus does not hurt
02:54 wizzyrea mtompset's stuff may well fix it
02:54 wizzyrea only 3.12
02:54 wizzyrea well... I haven't tested it on master.
02:53 dcook Filing a bug for it?
02:52 wizzyrea Code: YAML_PARSE_ERR_SINGLE_LINE was the message
02:52 dcook Before you had them, were you getting t hat "nable to parse OpacHiddenItems syspref" warning in your logs?
02:52 wizzyrea yea, I'm not sure.
02:51 dcook wizzyrea: I just find it so weird that adding the blank lines did it :S
02:50 mtompset that was an optimization. :)
02:50 dcook Yeah
02:50 mtompset basically, a quick return if the yaml doesn't have printable text. :)
02:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , C4::Items GetHiddenItems fix and optimization
02:48 mtompset from bug 10872.
02:48 mtompset that return looks like mine. :)
02:48 dcook That's not in mine..
02:48 wizzyrea and that it had been pushed.
02:48 dcook return () if (! $yaml =~ /\S/ );
02:48 wizzyrea i noted that there was a patch to append newlines.
02:47 wizzyrea it might have worked with one.
02:47 dcook Wait a tic..
02:47 wizzyrea I fixed it by putting in two blank lines after the single entry
02:47 wizzyrea the issue was that it didn't like having only one entry all on one line
02:47 dcook The code in master looks like it appends those newlines, so I don't imagine that would've been the issue?
02:46 dcook So wizzyrea...what was the issue again and how did you fix it?
02:42 wizzyrea either way this install won't have those patches ;)
02:32 mtompset I think it was MARCdetail though.
02:32 mtompset Because the fix and optimization patch corrects a problem where the YAML code busts in certain contexts causing the hiding to fail completely.
02:29 wizzyrea yep I saw those.
02:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10872 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , C4::Items GetHiddenItems fix and optimization
02:28 mtompset hmm... maybe more of bug 10872
02:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Hide OPAC bibilo details if all items are hidden.
02:27 mtompset Hmmm... bug 10584?
02:26 wizzyrea thank you all for your attention :)
02:26 wizzyrea (if they note it)
02:26 * wizzyrea saves concern for that for when the client notes it.
02:25 dcook True true
02:25 wizzyrea ...perhaps poorly, but the borrower doesn't see it so...
02:25 dcook I guess so, eh?
02:25 wizzyrea the net effect is that it's hidden
02:25 wizzyrea yea, same
02:24 dcook Hmm...instead of being taken straight to the record I seem to get a 404..
02:24 wizzyrea could be
02:20 dcook Hmm, I think OpacHiddenItems was treated differently in a newer version..
02:20 dcook night tcohen
02:20 tcohen bye #koha, bedtime :-D
02:19 papa tcohen: not intentionally
02:18 wizzyrea maybe a newer or different yaml parser? idk.
02:18 wizzyrea yep, it does now - didn't even occur to me that one would have to do that until eythian pointed me to the error message.
02:18 dcook Even without those extra newlines
02:18 tcohen papa: did you address the warnings from hitting enter on an empty Checkout form?
02:18 dcook But yeah...works fine in 3.8.0
02:17 dcook ^^makes sense
02:16 wizzyrea and newline, in this case, is actually hitting enter a couple of times after your entry.
02:15 wizzyrea no.
02:15 mtompset Are you testing one of my OpacHiddenItem's patches?
02:15 wizzyrea but a newline in the syspref box does.
02:14 wizzyrea nope, that doesn't work
02:13 wizzyrea this one may not have it
02:13 wizzyrea yea there was a patch for that.
02:13 dcook The place I was looking at it in Koha appended the new lines though
02:13 wizzyrea I didn't try it with two \n's
02:13 dcook I seem to remember reading that the YAML processor likes at least a few newlines
02:12 mtompset wthdrawn: [1]\n\n?
02:12 wizzyrea mmm I tried that.
02:12 mtompset I think it is a blank line parsing issue.
02:12 mtompset Oh no... try leaving a BLANK line.
02:11 wizzyrea is ok I'll try to poke at it.
02:11 dcook I'll take less of a look ;)
02:11 wizzyrea this is 3.12
02:11 dcook I'll take a look :)
02:11 wizzyrea something to do with wthdrawn? idk.
02:10 dcook Hmm, I just have a oneline entry
02:10 wizzyrea for example
02:10 wizzyrea > wthdrawn: [1]
02:09 wizzyrea > wthdrawn: [1]
02:09 mtompset put what in twice?
02:09 wizzyrea put it in twice and it works just fine.
02:08 wizzyrea it gets mad if you only have one entry in there.
02:08 eythian :)
02:08 wizzyrea eythian++ for spotting the problem on his fancy new log thingie.
02:03 dcook I like using "itype: [ILL-BOOK]"
02:02 dcook Have you tried it with other examples?
02:02 dcook Yeah, I was going to say, without debugging, I have no idea. Shouldn't be anything special required to make it work.
02:02 wizzyrea but, if there's nothing special requred to make it work, I will figure out why it's not working ;)
02:02 wizzyrea but yes, it's taking me straight to the bib.
02:01 dcook Hmm, bizarre
02:00 wizzyrea no it is showing the item.
01:58 dcook And not showing the item at the bottom?
01:58 dcook So you're searching for that record and it's taking you directly to the bib
01:58 dcook That makes (a kind of) sense
01:58 dcook Mmm
01:57 wizzyrea so we're not going through the results.
01:57 wizzyrea now there is only one item on this particular record, and it's withdrawn, it is the only bib that comes back for this search
01:56 dcook Sorry :/
01:56 dcook Hmm, I've just used that syspref with item type before and it worked as expected
01:56 wahanui wthdrawn is that right?
01:56 wizzyrea wthdrawn
01:56 wizzyrea this is previous to that fix.
01:56 dcook Or something like that
01:55 dcook As withdrwn
01:55 dcook Wasn't withdrawn misspelled at one point?
01:55 dcook Hmm
01:55 mtompset Hmmm....
01:55 wizzyrea it is in the example.
01:55 dcook Can you cover withdrawn items with that syspref?
01:55 wizzyrea yes.
01:55 mtompset in opac?
01:54 wizzyrea no I am not.
01:54 wizzyrea i do a search for a known withdrawn item, with a withdrawn rule in, and it shows up
01:54 mtompset Are you confusing OpacSuppression with OpacHiddenItems?
01:54 mtompset How so?
01:54 dcook wizzyrea: That's odd.
01:54 wizzyrea well I did that (yes, the syntax is correct), and it's not working.
01:53 mtompset No, just enter it in YAML format.
01:53 wizzyrea is there something special you have to do to make OpacHiddenItems work?
01:50 dcook eythian++
01:43 dcook especially the hackfest
01:42 dcook great summary emails for kohacon
01:42 dcook gmcharlt++
01:41 mtompset Shoot... I just discovered another lack of addendum in my patch on 11077. :(
01:40 papa he can, but he does not like my code
01:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10636 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , patronimage should have borrowernumber as PK, not cardnumber
01:22 WaylonR huh.... DBD::mysql::db do failed: Error on rename of './kohadbdev/patronimage' to './kohadbdev/#sql2-65bc-c5f7f' (errno: 152) at the bug 10636 in updatedatabase.pl
01:18 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/2pr7mZNPOGou5um3i8l4WI <-- tcohen
01:17 eythian nope
01:17 mtompset shoot... you can't sign his patch off. :(
01:16 eythian yeah
01:16 mtompset Oh wait... papa works for the same company as you do, eythian?
01:16 mtompset tcohen: eythian pointed me to a pretty picture the other day.
01:16 eythian mtompset: no, just the ccode one I think, maybe one or two other things, but they were put in earlier.
01:15 eythian you haven't seen half of it :) it's full of tables and charts and things giving all sorts of information.
01:15 mtompset eythian: Did that include everything on 11077?
01:15 tcohen ok, looks reallynice :-D
01:14 eythian tcohen: it's a logging thing Catalyst is building internally.
01:14 tcohen what tool is that eythian?
01:14 eythian mtompset: I think a little after that on the Friday, yeah
01:13 mtompset Let me guess, you applied it around 16:00? ;)
01:13 tcohen what do u use for that graphics?
01:12 eythian (that's accesses and errors from our koha logs.)
01:12 eythian http://i.imgur.com/gEFY3dE.png <-- mtompset, we have papa's patches applied here, it's made quite a difference.
01:08 WaylonR cool.
01:08 mtompset Sorry, WaylonR. I got distracted by other things. I'll try to get to it this week.
01:07 mtompset both mine and papa's.
01:07 wahanui the last two are the error messages.
01:07 mtompset the last two.
01:03 tcohen which need signing?
01:03 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. Yes, I too am glad that I think we've ironed out the silent warnings from C4/Auth.pm. Just waiting for someone to sign off all the patches. :)
01:02 WaylonR awaiting your testing.
01:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Patch doesn't apply , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
01:02 WaylonR bug 9055
01:02 WaylonR hiya mtompset
01:02 tcohen hi mtompset
00:59 eythian WaylonR: yes
00:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
00:47 WaylonR PKIAuth via SSL certificate?
00:47 WaylonR ahhh
00:46 WaylonR PKIAuth?
00:46 WaylonR PKI?
00:18 WaylonR Power of the bots.
00:18 WaylonR heheh
00:18 huginn 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
00:18 wahanui facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232
00:18 WaylonR facets?
00:18 huginn 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
00:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
00:18 WaylonR facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232
00:17 wahanui WaylonR: I forgot facets
00:17 WaylonR forget facets
00:17 WaylonR hmm
00:16 dcook Kewl
00:16 huginn 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
00:16 wahanui facets is probably http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232
00:16 dcook facets?
00:16 huginn 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra
00:16 dcook facets is also http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11232
00:16 wahanui facets are drawn from the records in the search results
00:16 dcook facets?
00:16 wahanui facets are drawn from the records in the search results
00:16 dcook facets?
00:13 dcook Didn't realize you were going. Bye!
00:06 tcohen bye dcook!
00:05 dcook wb tcohen