Time  Nick           Message
00:13 * wizzyrea     will have a look
00:39 * eythian      notes that all the serials/subscription related tables reference a biblionumber, but don't have a constraint on it.
00:40 eythian        that's probably not ideal
00:43 wizzyrea       yikes.
00:53 oleonard       Hi again #koha
00:54 oleonard       I'm curious whether anyone here has any VPS hosting recommendations (or dis-recommendations)
00:54 rangi          i use linode for one
00:54 eythian        Most people I know who know about that sort of thing use linode
00:55 rangi          and http://www.hetzner.de/en/
00:55 rangi          for my other one
00:56 jcamins        oleonard: I'd probably recommend linode.
00:58 oleonard       As someone who has no experience managing servers I've always been reluctant to step up to VPS hosting. Am I going to get myself into trouble?
00:58 mtompset       Greetings, oleonard. Thanks for the feed back, I'll probably just extend the scope of the bug I'm working on to include fixing that behaviour then. :)
00:58 jcamins        oleonard: nah.
00:58 wizzyrea       hmm. well there's lots to learn, but nah.
00:59 mtompset       VPS?
00:59 jcamins        If you mess something up, you can just reimage.
00:59 wizzyrea       ^
00:59 eythian        oleonard: they're fairly screw-up-proof if you're at all careful
00:59 wizzyrea       ^
01:00 mtompset       We've begun a migration to Digital Ocean (www.digitalocean.com). I'm pleased with it thus far.
01:00 mtompset       VPS is Virtual Private Server.
01:00 jcamins        And you'd have to *really* screw things up to reach the point of needing to reimage.
01:01 jcamins        Wasn't DigitalOcean just acquired by GoDaddy?
01:02 mtompset       I don't know.
01:02 oleonard       Wasn't it MediaTemple?
01:02 jcamins        oleonard: oh, maybe.
01:02 wizzyrea       cait - still up?
01:03 wizzyrea       heaven forbid.
01:03 jcamins        Yeah, Media Temple was acquired.
01:03 cait           nope
01:03 mtompset       http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch.com%2F2013%2F10%2F15%2Fgodaddy-buys-media-temple-to-build-up-its-business-with-web-professionals%2F&ei=Rjh8UraRMMSyyAG5kYHIAg&usg=AFQjCNHl-9ozWZLXiLWsKXHvQl4IWFPHEA&bvm=bv.56146854,d.aWc
01:03 wizzyrea       >.>
01:03 mtompset       Oops... sorry, should have clicked, and then cut and paste.
01:08 mtompset       http://sploid.gizmodo.com/super-typhon-haiyan-just-broke-all-scientific-intensity-1460295415
01:08 mtompset       Friends and colleagues most definitely will be affected by this. :(
01:09 oleonard       Yikes
01:10 mtompset       For the religious, please pray, and the non-religious, keep the Philippines in your thoughts.
01:13 wizzyrea       i read about that earlier - it's a monster.
01:13 wizzyrea       will definitely be thinking of those in the philippines.
01:15 mtompset       :( Signal 4 in Masbate and Romblon.
01:15 mtompset       Friends and projects are in those areas.
01:17 mtompset       http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/track.gif -- Looks like it will be massive destruction in a single day and a half.
02:25 bag            nice sauteed mushroom and onion on some blue cheese - in a nice roll  (yummy dinner)
02:44 bag            having met gmcharlt a few times now - I can totally see where his eyebrows would raise and he'd be smiling whenever I read an email from him now :)  really makes it awesome and I crack a big ole smile when reading those emails now :)
02:44 bag            gmcharlt++
03:18 mtompset       what is not equals in TT? != <>?
03:44 * wizzyrea     gets ready for a foggy trip to the coast for a burger.
03:44 wizzyrea       see you all next week. :)
04:08 Oak            Ahoy me hearties
04:08 Oak            magnuse
04:08 Oak            @wunder islamabad
04:26 Oak            http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/
04:43 mtompset       Greetings, Oak.
04:43 Oak            hello mtompset :)
04:44 mtompset       Hmmm... it would seem I have gone from adding a feature to Koha into refactoring all the news code into fixing the news code.
04:45 mtompset       Whatever shall I do with bug 7567? Call it a mega fix, refactor, and enhancement?
05:25 mtompset       Eeewwww... single line is short, but that is ugly to parse, papa.
05:26 mtompset       bug 11183
05:26 papa           hi there, what single line?
05:26 mtompset       that grep portion on the join line.
05:27 papa           what would you prefer? I'll do anything for a sign-off...
05:28 mtompset       split the grep to a different line?
05:29 papa           sure...
05:29 mtompset       I haven't tested it yet... but I'm wondering...
05:30 mtompset       let's say $blah->{ccode} doesn't exist.
05:30 mtompset       won't your code trigger an error?
05:30 papa           nope, autoviv
05:31 papa           will return undef
05:35 mtompset       okay... confirmed that with some testing code... interesting.. okay.
05:35 mtompset       Let's try this patch out. :)
05:40 mtompset       have an item with a collection code?
05:40 mtompset       where is a collection code set, papa?
05:41 papa           no idea, I had it on the database :(
05:42 papa           should be on the item details
05:42 mtompset       something like BK?
05:43 mtompset       found it.
05:43 papa           ok, where?
05:44 papa           ah, edit items
05:44 mtompset       Yep.
05:45 pastebot       "mtompset" at pasted "Was this your error, papa?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/256
05:46 mtompset       One of them.
05:46 wahanui        hmmm... one of them is bound to have a good idea ;)
05:46 papa           that one should be fixed as well
05:48 mtompset       hmmm... I triggered one you didn't fix.
05:48 mtompset       Let's see if I can figure out how I did that.
05:49 papa           magic...
05:49 wahanui        http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
05:52 mtompset       actually 626 triggered even on a simple search.
05:53 mtompset       I'm trying to figure out how to trigger 576.
05:54 mtompset       AH! going to an item without a collection code.
05:55 mtompset       So, actually, regular search triggers 626.
05:55 mtompset       and then opac detail on an item without a collection code triggers 576.
05:56 papa           something like that
05:56 mtompset       okay... let's see if that patch remedies it. :)
05:56 mtompset       which eyeballing says it should.
05:59 mtompset       Hmmm... gmcharlt you here?
06:00 mtompset       @later tell gmcharlt  opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $code_wanted in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 314. -- I was just searching for happy :)
06:01 mtompset       well, papa the two warnings seem gone, but there's a lot more to find and correct. :)
06:02 papa           I know :) now that we silence those, others will top the list
06:03 mtompset       Actually, the preference you reference is irrelevant, I believe.
06:04 mtompset       or not...
06:05 mtompset       626 must be related to the koha search history.
06:05 mtompset       I still triggered 576 without it. :)
06:16 mtompset       signed off, papa. :)
06:16 papa           much obliged
06:17 mtompset       No, thank you for helping reduce log flooding. :)
06:17 mtompset       It helps find the real bugs.
06:32 mtompset       Greetings, drojf.
06:39 * cait         waves
06:41 mtompset       Greetings, cait.
06:44 cait           wizzyrea++
07:07 * magnuse      waves
07:07 * magnuse      needs to catch up on reading list mails and new bug reports
07:08 papa           hey mtompset, what was the bug number for that map you want me to revisit?
07:09 mtompset       map?
07:09 wahanui        map is probably new in koha
07:09 mtompset       probably bug 11077
07:10 mtompset       I signed off the complex grep patch, if that is what you are asking about.
07:10 mtompset       It's ugly to read, but it works.
07:10 papa           sorry, grep
07:10 mtompset       that was bug 11183, no mods needed.
07:10 mtompset       Now we wait for QA to say, "Ooo... less flooding logs, simple enough to check and pass" ;)
07:12 papa           mtompset: so who is going to merge all of those patches on 11077?
07:12 mtompset       can't really merge in tcohen's.
07:12 mtompset       It's already signed off.
07:13 mtompset       but mine is a follow up on yours and his, so if you want to merge mine with your and simplify it into one, that would be okay.
07:13 papa           ok, let me try
07:13 mtompset       after all... I'm not about credit. I'm about less floody logs. :)
07:14 mtompset       git rebase -i
07:14 papa           sure
07:14 mtompset       Anyways... I'm super late past my sleep time.
07:15 papa           sure, good night
07:15 mtompset       But filters fixed, code seems to be working... just need to find test file, if any...
07:15 mtompset       and if not write some tests.
07:15 mtompset       But I'll do that... later today after sleep. :)
07:16 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha. :)
07:16 * mtompset     waves bye to magnuse cait papa Oak and others. :)
07:47 reiveune       hello
07:47 wahanui        kai ora, reiveune
08:13 ashimema       mornin' all.. (those in the southern hemisphere at least)
08:13 ashimema       good afternoon, good night to the rest of you ;)
08:13 magnuse        hiya ashimema
08:14 magnuse        it's morning near the top of the northern hemisphere too :-)
08:15 ashimema       fair point ;)
08:15 magnuse        it's even light outside :-)
08:19 gaetan_B       hello
08:23 magnuse        bonjour gaetan_B
08:34 * kf           waves
08:36 kivilahtio     Joubu: regarding bug 9016. I would like to hear what developments you are undertaking regarding these enhancements?
09:02 kf             morning ashimema
09:02 ashimema       Good morning KF
09:46 kf             looks like a quiet friday
09:58 Joubu          kivilahtio: I don't understand your question :) The goal of this patch is to prepare the prepare the ground for others bug (linked to 9016).
09:58 Joubu          s/prepare the//
10:18 kivilahtio     Joubu: I got it. I forgot to check the dependenices for that bug and it all makes sense now :)
10:19 kivilahtio     Joubu: Wow the messaging layer is pretty tricky and it is rather difficult to test youor code
10:19 kivilahtio     Joubu: Not saying there is anything wrong with your code, but it is complex and trying to get the big picture is challenging
10:19 kivilahtio     which is nice :)
10:20 kivilahtio     anyway have a great weekend, I gotta scram!
10:21 kivilahtio     Joubu: my question was about actually implementing the functionality for print or feed or phone message types
10:22 kivilahtio     we need to have real prints as well, so kinda curious how Koha deals with prints
10:22 kf             kivilahtio: at kohacon there was a presentation about a library doing phone notification
10:22 kf             it's already possible
10:22 kivilahtio     kf: But there is no system preference to set where the print csv's are stored?
10:22 kf             there are cronjobs i think generating them
10:23 kf             maybe check out the slides- i didn't attend all of that session
10:23 kivilahtio     kf: is there any documentation about the phone, feed and print?
10:23 kf             but they did work to make it work with itiva
10:23 kivilahtio     we have Ifo we need to integrate to :)
10:23 kivilahtio     *Info*
10:23 kf             feed doesn't work, print only for holds and overdues, using jobs - could be a lot nicer
10:24 kivilahtio     I just learnt that one should not run overdue_notices.pl more than once a day :)
10:25 kf             that's true
10:26 kivilahtio     kf: I think I am understanding how to deal with print
10:26 kivilahtio     there are numerous cronjobs for different notification types?
10:26 kivilahtio     and each needs to be configured separately
10:28 kivilahtio     kf: Is cronjobs/printoverdues.pl still in use? It is not documented?
10:30 kivilahtio     I guess so, as it looks pretty handy
10:30 kivilahtio     thanks kf for your advice! Have a good weekend
10:31 kf             it is yes
10:32 kf             afaik
10:32 kf             i would like somthing better integrated into koha, with an option to download pdf files from staff
10:40 ashimema       kf: whilst at kohacon you explained your marc uploads proceure.. remind me what script you use instead of bulkmarcimport?
10:40 kf             we are using the staged import from command line sec
10:41 ashimema       /tools/stages_marc_import.pl?
10:41 kf             stage_file.pl and commit_file.pl in misc
10:41 ashimema       ah yes.. I see them now.
10:42 ashimema       ack.. neither have a perldoc.
10:42 kf             the names are kind of logical but make them easy to miss
10:42 kf             -h should give you some info about the options
10:42 kf             they work quite similar to what the gui can do
10:42 ashimema       and remind me.. why do you use those instead of bulkmarkimpork with matching?
10:43 kf             hm partially historical maybe, but i also like the undo options and that i can see my imports from the interface
10:43 kf             i can check anytime what has been imported when
10:43 ashimema       aha.. so they add to the imports table..
10:43 ashimema       thats nice..
10:43 kf             i think also some different options for item generation, would have to compare
10:44 kf             and bulk learned matching later i think
10:44 kf             it's completely as if you use the stage/manage marc import tools
10:45 ashimema       cheers kf.. that explains a few things..
10:46 ashimema       I still don't like that there's two ways to skin the cat.. but i kinda understand why now.
10:46 ashimema       I take it they take in isomarc files.. not marcxml
10:47 kf             i think so
10:47 kf             i imagine it would not be too hard to add
10:47 kf             we have been using the script since 3.0.something before 3.2
10:47 kf             i think bulkmarcimport changed a lot since then
10:48 ashimema       it certainly has changed allot
11:04 ashimema       jcamins you around?
11:06 kf             might still be a bit early, but with jcamins you never know
11:07 ashimema       :)
11:46 gerundio       hi everyone
11:47 gerundio       long time no see :)
11:47 gerundio       is there anyway to choose which options are available in the master head search combo box in OPAC?
11:48 magnuse        gerundio: don't think so, apart from tweaking it with jquery
11:49 gerundio       I'm ignoring that workaround on purpose
11:49 gerundio       so the final answer for me in no :)
11:49 gerundio       thanks magnuse++
12:03 magnuse        hiya khall and tcohen
12:03 khall          mornin magnuse & #koha!
12:07 magnuse        wassup?!?
12:08 tcohen         jenkins_koha: run 3.12.x
12:08 jenkins_koha   tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'run'
12:08 jenkins_koha   Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
12:08 tcohen         jenkins_koha: help
12:08 jenkins_koha   Available commands:
12:08 jenkins_koha   abort <job> - specify which job to abort
12:08 jenkins_koha   alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases
12:08 jenkins_koha   botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom
12:08 jenkins_koha   build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
12:08 jenkins_koha   cb - list jobs which are currently in progress
12:08 jenkins_koha   comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build
12:08 jenkins_koha   currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress
12:08 jenkins_koha   h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   q - show the state of the build queue
12:08 jenkins_koha   queue - show the state of the build queue
12:08 jenkins_koha   s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period
12:08 jenkins_koha   status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs
12:08 jenkins_koha   userstat <username> - prints information about a Jenkins user
12:09 tcohen         jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x now
12:09 jenkins_koha   tcohen: job Koha_3.12.x build scheduled now
12:09 tcohen         OMG
12:09 jenkins_koha   Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
12:09 magnuse        jenkins_koha botsnack lutefisk
12:10 tcohen         jenkins_koha botsnack fernet
12:10 magnuse        jenkins_koha: botsnack lutefisk
12:10 jenkins_koha   magnuse: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love lutefisk!
12:10 magnuse        lol
12:18 tcohen         jenkins_koha: botsnack fernet
12:18 jenkins_koha   tcohen: you're so kind to me! how did you know that fernet is my favorite food?
12:20 tcohen         jenkins_koha: you are drunk
12:20 jenkins_koha   tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you'
12:20 jenkins_koha   Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
12:27 * kf_lunch     waves
12:27 kf_lunch       jcamins: ?
12:28 magnuse        jcamins?
12:28 wahanui        it has been said that jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
12:28 magnuse        hm, you learn something new every day
12:34 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.12.x build #110: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/110/
12:43 tcohen         @later tell rangi there must be some error in Koha_3.12.x's script
13:08 tcohen         magnuse?
13:08 wahanui        rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant
13:08 magnuse        tcohen?
13:08 wahanui        tcohen is probably 122
13:09 tcohen         magnuse: would you take a look at 9114?
13:09 tcohen         its a long standing bug I plan to have in 3.12.7
13:09 tcohen         (fixed, to have fixed heh)
13:13 magnuse        tcohen: wish i had the time...
13:21 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:50 tcohen         np magnuse
13:54 jcamins        Yes?
13:56 magnuse        ping kf_lunch - jcamins is in da house!
13:57 kf_lunch       heh
13:57 * kf_lunch     nick kf
13:57 kf_lunch       forgot i was still having lunch
13:57 magnuse        and you still are!
13:57 kf             now it's better
13:57 kf             hi jcamins
13:57 jcamins        Hello.
13:58 magnuse        guess germans are thorough when it comes to their vormittagspeize too
13:58 kf             mittagessen? :)
13:59 magnuse        huh, i thought mittag was dinner?
14:10 tcohen         hi jcamins
14:10 jcamins        o/
14:12 tcohen         does anyone experience having tons of cgisess_* files in /tmp even when sessions are set to be handled by memcached?
14:17 magnuse        tcohen: yeah, i have seen that when memcached has died
14:17 magnuse        it's happened a couple of times
14:17 tcohen         # service memcached status
14:17 tcohen         * memcached is running
14:18 * tcohen       thinks it might be poorly configured :-/
14:27 oleonard       dpavlin++ # for the Bug 11216 fix
14:28 magnuse        tcohen: did you configure it in the right place? apache conf, not koha-conf.xml
14:28 * oleonard     's face falls when he realizes huginn still isn't here :(
14:28 tcohen         i was missing the apache config
14:28 tcohen         I didn't realize my patch for packages wasnt already on 3.12
14:30 tcohen         is it even in master
14:32 magnuse        "Bug 10733 - Memcached on package installs" is in master
14:32 tcohen         thanks magnuse
14:33 magnuse        that bug adds memcached config both to apache-site.conf.in and koha-conf-site.xml.in :-)
14:33 magnuse        i remove it again in "Bug 11167 - Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in"
14:33 magnuse        ...which is just passed qa
14:35 tcohen         when I wrote that 10733 patches I did it that way because I noticed it was still used somewhere...
14:35 tcohen         actually...
14:35 tcohen         it was a while ago, i'll try to remember
14:35 druthb         o/
14:36 magnuse        \o
14:36 druthb         magnuse!
14:36 wahanui        i heard magnuse was a Norwegian giant.
14:36 magnuse        tcohen: oh noes! nice if you remember - that should be fixed
14:36 magnuse        druthb: before i forget again: have you ever migrated from aleph to koha?
14:37 druthb         magnuse:  hmm…I think so.
14:38 magnuse        druthb: do you remember what it was like? e.g. on a scale from 1 to 10 ;-)
14:38 druthb         I don't see any ILS-specific tools for that in my git repo, so if we did, I suspect we got MARCs with embedded items, and CSVs for everything else.  My generic tools would be able to mash that.  If that's the case, it'd be silly-easy.
14:38 magnuse        goody
14:39 druthb         Don't hold me to that; I could be remembering wrong.  But I think I did at least one of 'em.
14:39 magnuse        i'll take "silly-easy" as an answer until further notice ;-)
14:40 druthb         I am willing to do consult help, if you hit a wall.  :)  Shout if you need any help.
14:40 magnuse        i'm also going to send an email to the list, to see what experience people have
14:40 magnuse        druthb: cool!
14:41 magnuse        ad the reason i'm asking is that there was a library running aleph that was curious about any libraris that have experience with switching from aleph to koha :-)
14:41 magnuse        oh well, i gotta run!
14:41 magnuse        have fun, #koha!
14:52 * oleonard     wonders which of these old dateofbirth values in his patron database are really valid... Probably not the one with the birth day 1 May 981.
14:53 * druthb       chuckles
14:53 oleonard       "Your account has expired because you should have by now"
14:53 kf             oleonard:speaking of those - i had lots of problems yesterday with date of birth and patrons
14:53 kf             are yo working on those by chance?
14:54 oleonard       I discovered Bug 11220 because a bad patron dateofbirth value triggered an error
14:55 oleonard       We have many patron accounts with the dateofbirth '0000-00-00' which Koha really ought to handle better.
14:55 oleonard       I don't know if that's the same kind of thing you were dealing with kf?
14:57 oleonard       Looks like Koha currently adds new patrons with '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth if you don't specify a value
14:57 oleonard       I wonder if that is new?
14:58 oleonard       1. Create a new patron. Leave dateofbirth empty. 2. Save the record. 3. Open the record for editing. 4. Save the record without making changes. 5. Koha gives you an error: "Date of birth is invalid."
14:58 oleonard       That's definitely a bug.
15:00 oleonard       My production database doesn't list any new registrations which have '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth (3.10.x)
15:01 oleonard       So I guess I have a tedious git bisect in my future :|
15:25 vfernandes     hi guys :)
15:25 vfernandes     i have another tricky question
15:25 vfernandes     i'm using koha authorities to manage a thesaurus
15:26 vfernandes     BT (broader terms) and NT (narrower terms) are possible in Koha
15:26 vfernandes     it's possible to have related terms? in thesaurus definition they are USE an UF
15:28 jcamins        vfernandes: USE and UF are different from related terms.
15:28 vfernandes     humm ok
15:28 vfernandes     but are possible to implement in Koha?
15:28 jcamins        Related terms (RT) are used when there are valid authority records for both terms.
15:28 jcamins        Yes, that's what 5xx fields are.
15:29 vfernandes     http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=24224
15:29 jcamins        I see one related term.
15:29 vfernandes     this example has 2 narrower terms, 1 broader term and one related term
15:30 vfernandes     USE and UF can be implemented using wich letter in $5?
15:30 jcamins        No, USE and UF are 4xx.
15:30 jcamins        Not related terms at all.
15:30 vfernandes     ok
15:30 jcamins        You have one UF term, "Formação Área e Território"
15:31 jcamins        And two USE terms, "Formação Sectorial" and "Formação Área"
15:31 jcamins        Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
15:31 jcamins        You might want to think about reviewing your mappings.
15:31 vfernandes     this is only a test :D
15:32 vfernandes     can you explain me how to do a USE?
15:32 jcamins        You don't.
15:33 jcamins        The way MARC thesauri work, you don't have records for non-preferred terms.
15:33 vfernandes     ok... but you can enter the terms?
15:33 vfernandes     on fields 4XX?
15:34 jcamins        4xx is for Used for.
15:34 tcohen         magnus_away: i posted a small and simple followup
15:35 vfernandes     so UF it's possible but USE not?
15:35 jcamins        Right, because there are no records for the non-preferred terms.
15:38 vfernandes     ok... there is anyway to "pass" the MARC thesauri limitations?
15:40 jcamins        Not really.
15:40 jcamins        Well- don't use MARC. But that doesn't really help.
15:49 gmcharlt       @quote random
15:49 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #217: "<slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?" (added by mtompset at 03:29 PM, September 26, 2012)
15:49 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
15:52 druthb         hi, mtompset!
15:52 tcohen         hi gmcharlt
15:52 mtompset       greetings, druthb tcohen.
15:52 gmcharlt       howdy
15:52 mtompset       Greetings gmcharlt . :)
15:52 druthb         @quote random
15:52 huginn         druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
15:52 tcohen         heya mtompset
15:52 wahanui        well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry.
15:55 oleonard       Hm, looks like my patron date problem was caused by a change to SQLHelper.pm?
15:55 oleonard       git bisect blames Bug 10403
15:55 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to set fund/budget on receipt
15:55 oleonard       huginn!
15:58 tcohen         mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:59 tcohen         mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way
15:59 mtompset       I'm looking at it. :)
16:01 oleonard       Bug 11221
16:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty
16:01 mtompset       Wouldn't create your own apt-repository be better as a separate wiki page?
16:01 tcohen         that's how we deploy our home-backed koha-common packages
16:02 tcohen         ah, that could be another option, you're right
16:02 mtompset       but then most certainly link to it from this one. :)
16:02 vfernandes     thanks jcamins... jcamins++
16:14 tcohen         mtompset: done
16:15 liw            hm, my CV does not mention Perl
16:15 tcohen         is it possible that I hate (a lot) how the Wiki is organized
16:21 kf             oleonard: yes, that's what i saw (... an still reading back)
16:21 mtompset       tcohen: you mean it is organized?!
16:21 mtompset       Because if you assume that, there is a lot to hate.
16:23 Barrc          Hey all, quick "submitting a patch question". If changing the DB structure I need a $DBversion, is it just the revision of Koha I have cloned e.g ""?
16:24 mtompset       Barrc: in updatedatabase.pl you use XXX for the last 3.
16:25 mtompset       It's the responsibility of the RM to change it.
16:25 mtompset       and you don't change kohaversion.pl
16:25 Barrc          Oh! Cool, that makes sense. Thanks
16:25 mtompset       right, gmcharlt?
16:25 gmcharlt       correct
16:25 * mtompset     notes that gmcharlt is 3.16 and 3.14 RM.
16:31 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31e9c90e2b509919f4028aa0a8e69332df04e7e1> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87470f394aa58e7ea1d89cadffc8d724b433cd80> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a
16:32 ashimema       The wiki could really do with a good tidying..
16:32 jenkins_koha   Starting build #213 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:32 * ashimema     seems to remember someone volunteering at kohacon13 hackfest
16:33 ashimema       kf.. who was it that wanted to attack the wiki for us?
16:33 kf             hmmm maybe joel? but I think it was someone else even
16:34 ashimema       that's the one.. Joel was deffo keen on helping with wiki
16:34 kf             i don't think the categories in the wiki really work for us currently
16:34 kf             there are way too many
16:34 kf             all the scrolling when you edit a page is quite terrible
16:34 ashimema       we have too many bad plugins that make it even more confusing too.
16:35 ashimema       It could do with someone taking it on.. making it read only for a couple of weeks whilst they sort it out on a local copy.
16:36 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1499 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:37 kf             hm not sure taking it off the web a couple of weeks would be good - but maybe you could work in sectiosn
16:37 kf             for example we should markt he old rfcs
16:37 kf             they are confusing for people - thinking the features are really in koha that way
16:37 ashimema       i don't mean take it away completely.. jsut stick it in read only mode.
16:37 ashimema       that way it can stay as a reference but can't be updated whilst someone is trying to fix it
16:38 ashimema       the RFC's should have a really clear workflow and status on them.. otherwise they're more than useless and confusing.
16:41 kf             Agreed, not sure how to do it best in mediawiki tho
16:41 kf             i never really got warm with it, i am more a dokuwiki type of person still :)
16:41 ashimema       easy.. use templates
16:42 kf             half the time i end up changing the template instead of using it... i should learn how to use them
16:42 ashimema       mediawiki is crazy powerfull.. jsut has a slight learning curve to start with... if someone takes the time to set up a bunch of templates and write some rules ofr their use then they work great!
16:42 ashimema       I'm also a big fan of forms..
16:43 ashimema       so create a template, then create a from so filling out said template is easier..
16:43 ashimema       We have a customers only wiki for evergreen that looks great because it was planned from day one.. I wish our inranet wiki was as good ;)
16:44 kf             ashimema: you will make us volunteer you for it...
16:44 kf             if you don't stop sounding so knowledgeable
16:45 ashimema       mmm...  most of it's in the planning.. I'de be happy to help implement if we worked out a plan.
16:45 ashimema       who hosts the wiki anyways?
16:47 kf             ah sec
16:47 kf             that's on the start page at least :)
16:47 kf             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org
16:48 ashimema       haha..
16:49 ashimema       Equinox
16:51 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a290309daf1b0984ff168d399d7dd7e0c380ffbd>
16:55 kf             bye all :)
16:59 rambutan       @wunder 64507
16:59 huginn         rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.1°C (10:59 AM CST on November 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
16:59 gmcharlt       ashimema: send me a note with what you have in mind
16:59 rambutan       hey, he's back
17:01 gmcharlt       but TBH, I think incremental changes beats "lock the wiki for two weeks", especially since we're talking about a wiki that essentially has to let any non-spammer join it
17:05 ashimema       Yeah.. maybe incremental is best..
17:05 ashimema       Whats the traffic on the wiki in terms of edits like?
17:05 ashimema       A fast moving target is very hard to clean up.. hense my thoughts on locking it read only for a short period.
17:07 ashimema       I'd love to see some drastic cutting back on the categories we have with some clear guidelines on what categories are for so people put their pages in the right place to start with.. then also use semantic mediawiki for 'tagging' pages for search reasons.
17:10 ashimema       I'd also like to cut back on the navigation related plugins we have.. having 'CategoryTree', 'Multi-Category Search', 'BreadCrumbs', 'Category Breadcrumb' and 'SelectCategory' all enabled at the same time is plain confusing for all..
17:10 gmcharlt       average is roughly 10 edits a day; while making it read-only for a couple days is reasonable, I would hope that a sufficiently well-managed reorganzation effort that does some protoyping first wouldn't require longer than that
17:11 ashimema       Fair point..
17:11 ashimema       I'm coming to that conclusion too now as it happens..
17:12 reiveune       bye
17:12 gmcharlt       more importantly, though -- if you want to reorganize the wiki, are you willing to commit to act for (say) at least six months as a wiki manager to both teach folks how to work with the new scheme and to keep things tidy?
17:14 ashimema       Hmm... time is always at a president.
17:15 ashimema       but it does sound like there are a fair few more people than me who would like to see the wiki more usable again.
17:16 gmcharlt       well, lots of people want things -- that's a constant
17:16 ashimema       very true
17:16 wahanui        I know. That's why I said it.
17:17 ashimema       Might see if i can get in touch with Joel as he was very interested in contributing to a wiki tidy up..  I've committed to such things on other wiki's so could possibly help lead the way. (I did allot on openstreetmaps way back and ran our two internal wiki's at ptfs europe)
17:17 gmcharlt       I'm not trying to dissuade you, but I am suggesting that a reorg that includes follow-through for a reasonably long period of time is better than is allowed to immdiately decay
17:18 gmcharlt       *one that is allowed
17:18 ashimema       yeah.. it would need maintenance..  hence my thoughts on trying to get Joel onboard.
17:19 ashimema       Are there things holding us back from upgrading mediawiki out of interest?
17:20 jcamins        ashimema: interest?
17:20 wahanui        interest is bunched in particular regions.
17:20 jcamins        ;)
17:21 gmcharlt       ashimema: and tuits
17:23 ashimema       tuits?
17:23 oleonard       Tuits are what you have when you have the time get 'round to it
17:24 ashimema       I see..
17:24 ashimema       Americanism me thinks.. never heard that before
17:24 jenkins_koha   Project master_maria build #213: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/213/
17:24 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
17:24 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
17:24 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
17:24 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
17:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
17:24 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt
17:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt
17:24 oleonard       It may even be a gmcharltism ashimema ;)
17:24 ashimema       I see our mediawiki is running on postgres.. that certainly make upgrade more challenging..
17:24 jenkins_koha   Starting build #214 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:25 jcamins        I think a gmcharltism. I don't think I've ever heard it from anyone who doesn't talk with gmcharlt a lot.
17:26 gmcharlt       it's not original to me, though -- I first heard it from my colleaques at Equinox
17:26 ashimema       all makes sense now
17:37 gaetan_B       bye !
17:37 mtompset       get around to it? I guess it could be a North American idiom.
17:43 talljoy        back
17:53 ashimema       time to clock off
18:05 tcohen         gmcharlt: i've attached a followup for the usmarc->marcxml patch series
18:06 tcohen         so it uses the new MARC::FIeld->as_string functionality
18:06 tcohen         question: is it ok that I also pushed the dependencies to higher versions?
18:06 gmcharlt       ok
18:06 tcohen         MARC::Record 2.0.6 and MARC::File::XML 1.0.1
18:14 jenkins_koha   Project master_maria build #214: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/214/
18:14 jenkins_koha   Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
18:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
18:34 jenkins_koha   Starting build #111 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 1 day ago)
18:36 tcohen         gmcharlt: is there access to the scripts jenkins runs? i'd like to fix whatever is needed in the build node for jenkins to give useful info :-D
18:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1499: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1499/
18:36 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation
18:36 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated
18:36 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration
18:36 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace
18:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated
18:36 jenkins_koha   * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt
18:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt
18:36 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1500 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:51 JWellner       Good morning Nicole!
18:54 gmcharlt       tcohen: I don't think I have credentials for the 'Bernardo' box, though I bet you do
18:55 gmcharlt       if only by saying, "hey, bgkriegel, let me in!"
18:55 gmcharlt       ;)
18:59 gmcharlt       tcohen: juding by the logs, at minimum it looks like you need to get Devel::CoverReport onto that box
19:00 gmcharlt       other modules that rangi had installed from CPAN on my build sliave when it set it up are TAP::Harness::JUnit and  HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench
19:02 tcohen         It says smth about missing parameters to cover
19:02 tcohen         I installed most missing perl libs
19:02 jcamins        tcohen: I think you need the install Devel::Cover from cpan, because the version that is packaged is too old.
19:04 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
19:04 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.12.x build #111: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/111/
19:04 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Add unit tests for ILSDI::Services::AuthenticatePatron
19:04 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Allow authentication with cardnumber for ILS-DI
19:04 jenkins_koha   * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Follow up - prevent t/00-load from failing
19:04 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 10667: (follow-up) fix reference to UT library in test case
19:04 jenkins_koha   * Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent
19:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber
19:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent
19:04 gmcharlt       tcohen++ # looks like you got it
19:04 cait           lots of my patches pushed today
19:04 cait           i like that heh :)
19:16 rangi          Jenkins should be happy now. Signing off as I walk into a room with 750 hackers, see you all in a couple of days
19:17 rambutan       wow, how much coffee would you need to support 750 hackers?
19:21 rambutan       750 X 6 cups/day = 4,500 cups = 1,125 quarts/liters = 281 gallons/quadraliters
19:23 JWellner       or the output of one small starbucks....
19:24 jcamins        JWellner: according to a random website that came up when I searched "how much coffee does a starbucks make in a day," that's actually *three* Starbucks stores.
19:26 JWellner       On average or one of the ones in the Pac NW? :)
19:26 druthb         lol
19:27 JWellner       rofl :)
19:28 rambutan       humm, wonder if they grow coffee in NZ, lemme ask google
19:30 rambutan       apparently not of any significance
19:32 JWellner       I'd have to ask my buddy who lives down there.
19:34 talljoy        hi jeremywellner_ and JWellner
19:35 jeremywellner_ Hi Joy!
19:35 bag            hello
20:32 mtompset       @later tell papa My bad! I thought I had put up a patch, which I hadn't. :( Sorry.
20:32 huginn         mtompset: The operation succeeded.
20:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1500: SUCCESS in 1 hr 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1500/
20:33 jenkins_koha   Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search
20:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search
21:16 joels68        Greetings Kohans.
21:19 oleonard       Have a good weekend Kohans.
22:42 talljoy        back
22:55 rambutan       the party's over talljoy, the weekend is up!
22:55 talljoy        pfft
22:55 talljoy        my work week is still here.
22:55 talljoy        :-(
22:55 talljoy        got to move a library tonight and tomorrow nigt.
22:56 talljoy        but rambutan i wish i could leave like everyone else.  lol
22:56 rambutan       ah
22:56 talljoy        we've been 'left behind' argh
23:02 jeremywellner_ watch for zombies....
23:03 bag            I see walkers everywhere
23:04 * bag          is just in his second season of the walking dead
23:04 * talljoy      doesn't understand the popularity of zombies
23:04 talljoy        there i said it.
23:04 talljoy        i just don't get it
23:06 pianohacker    once you get bitten by a fad like that you just get can't enough of it though
23:06 jeremywellner_ Well of course zombies aren't popular... they are not the sorts of former people you'd want to invite over to your parents for dinner
23:07 jeremywellner_ Even zombie cheerleaders and football players who were once popular are now targeted for their appearance and intellect
23:08 jeremywellner_ All they want to do is gain your acceptance (and other parts of you... psyche or otherwise)
23:08 jeremywellner_ and live in a utopia of their own choosing
23:08 jeremywellner_ thus representing the dreams of millions of immigrants coming to America
23:09 jeremywellner_ who come here to create a new and prosperous life for themselves...
23:09 jeremywellner_ Is that so bad Joy?
23:10 jeremywellner_ Would you deny the American Dream to millions of former people who just need a little help to stay on their feet?
23:58 talljoy        back