Time  Nick         Message
00:13 peggy        Hi #koha
00:13 rambuten     hi peggy
00:13 peggy        I finished the code for my first enhancement for Koha!
00:14 peggy        But I don't know how to submit it
00:15 rambuten     have you filed a bug yet?
00:15 peggy        Yes.  There is a bug
00:17 rambuten     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SubmitingAPatch
00:17 peggy        Great!  I'll take a look.
00:17 peggy        Thanks
00:27 gmcharlt     peggy++
00:36 pianohacker  bye koha
00:39 rangi        peggy++
00:40 peggy        Is there a naming convention for the git send-email filename?
00:41 eythian      if you use git bz, it does it for you
00:41 eythian      but essentially, no
00:42 eythian      oh, send-email does it for you anyway
00:42 eythian      I was thinking format-patch
00:42 eythian      which actually also does it for you...
00:42 eythian      so, no :)
00:46 peggy        Is there a way I can tell if I already have git-bz installed?  My directory was gitified at Kohacon
00:47 eythian      type 'git bz' and see what happens :)
00:47 rangi        peggy: i dont think i installed git bz for you sorry
00:48 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
00:49 peggy        OK.  I'll install it.
01:00 peggy        Hmmm...
01:00 peggy        peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ git checkout -b fishsoup origin/fishsoup fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches. Did you intend to checkout 'origin/fishsoup' which can not be resolved as commit?
01:01 peggy        What is fishsoup?
01:03 eythian      You're trying to do that in the koha repo, you need to be doing it in a git-bz repo.
01:03 peggy        Ah.  OK.  Thanks
01:03 eythian      fishsoup is simply the name someone gave to a branch, for mysterious reasons.
01:04 jcamins      The author was "fishsoup."
01:04 jcamins      (original author)
01:04 jcamins      The more you know!
01:06 eythian      We didn't get NBC here, so we didn't get the PSAs, so I have no idea about your "The more you know" reference :)
01:07 jcamins      Huh.
01:07 * jcamins    never knew what that referred to.
01:08 jcamins      We didn't have TV service when I was growing up.
01:17 peggy        There is a Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl.  Can I keep going submitting the patch?
01:18 peggy        This was when I was applying the files that I had stashed.
01:18 eythian      you should probably fix the conflict
01:18 jcamins      You'll need to resolve the conflict in order to create a patch.
01:19 peggy        So I need to reapply my changes to the new version.
01:20 jcamins      That's what you were doing when you got the conflict.
01:21 eythian      it usually puts the conflict in the file in such a way you can just edit things around to fix it.
01:23 peggy        I had added an updatedatabase section.  But in the meantime someone used the same number as I did.  So I took the new file, and added my change to the end and incrementd the number.
01:23 eythian      yep
01:23 eythian      that's the way to fix it.
01:24 jcamins      Actually, you shouldn't have a number in there. You can just set it to 3.15.000.XXX
01:24 jcamins      Or just XXX.
01:25 eythian      oh, yeah. Forgot about that.
01:27 peggy        Ah.  OK
01:31 peggy        git: 'bz' is not a git command.
01:31 eythian      that means you don't have the git-bz command installed somewhere where git can see it.
01:32 jcamins      You need to add your git-bz directory to your path.
01:32 jcamins      Or symlink the git-bz executable into a directory in your path.
01:34 peggy        echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games  and git-bz is in /usr/local/bin  ??
01:35 jcamins      That should work.
01:35 jcamins      If you run it as git-bz (with a hyphen), does it work?
01:35 jcamins      I actually run "git-bz" not "git bz."
01:36 peggy        git-bz produces:  bash: git-bz: command not found
01:38 peggy        It says log out and log back in.  I think I didn't do that.
01:43 peggy        Nope.  That didn't help.
01:54 eythian      if you type 'which git-bz', does it say anything?
01:55 eythian      also, do 'ls -l /usr/local/bin'
01:55 eythian      http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/9373530/Books-that-can-save-the-publishing-industry
01:56 peggy        peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ which git-bz peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$ ls -l /usr/local/bin total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 19 Nov  6 20:06 git-bz -> /root/git-bz/git-bz peggy@thrasher:~/Documents/git/koha$
01:56 peggy        Which git-bz gave me nothing
01:56 eythian      oh, you have it in /root, that won't work
01:57 eythian      no one can read /root except the root user
01:57 eythian      I'd just move the git-bz directory to your home directory, and link to there.
02:02 peggy        cd ~
02:03 peggy        OK.  It's been a long time (18 years) since I've worked on Unix.  I assumed that if I clicked on the directory called "Home" that I would get to my home directory.  This is not the case?
02:04 peggy        cd ~ takes me to the directory that contains the git-bz directory.
02:04 eythian      what is the output of pwd?
02:04 jcamins      peggy: oh, you're logged in as root? That's not good.
02:05 eythian      jcamins: not looking at the command prompt above
02:05 peggy        No.  I'm not logged in as root.  But I may have been when I did some of the git-bz installation stuff.
02:05 peggy        pwd says /home/peggy/git-bz
02:05 eythian      I suspect you have two copies
02:05 eythian      and you're symlinking to the wrong one
02:05 eythian      ...
02:05 eythian      I know
02:05 eythian      you used su to do the link
02:05 jcamins      eythian: oh, right.
02:06 eythian      and also used ~
02:06 eythian      and so it linked to /root
02:06 eythian      that'll be why you get "not found" rather than "permission denied"
02:06 eythian      so: sudo rm /usr/local/bin/git-bz
02:06 eythian      then: sudo ln -s ~/git-bz/git-bz /usr/local/bin/git-bz
02:06 peggy        I don't have sudo permissions.  I have to log in as root to sudo
02:07 eythian      use sudo to give yourselve sudo permissions :)
02:07 jcamins      Okay, su, then `ln -s /home/peggy/git-bz/git-bz /usr/local/bin/git-bz` will do it
02:07 eythian      err
02:08 eythian      use su to give yourself sudo permissions
02:15 peggy        OK.  Now it is finding git bz
02:15 peggy        How exciting!
02:17 eythian      :)
02:20 rambutan     how did rambuten get on here?
02:21 eythian      magic?
02:21 wahanui      http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html
02:22 rambutan     more like somebody moved my mouse at work?
02:29 bag          peggy++
02:29 * bag        was just reading the scrollback
02:32 peggy        8^)
02:32 peggy        Trying to understand git...  Do I need to git add before I make my changes?  Should I be committing or stashing?
02:34 mtompset     Greetings, peggy.
02:35 mtompset     git checkout -b bug_I_am_working_on origin/master
02:35 mtompset     vi file1
02:35 mtompset     git add file1
02:35 mtompset     vi file2
02:35 mtompset     git add file2
02:35 mtompset     git commit
02:36 mtompset     start the commit message with "Bug #####" corresponding to the bug report you filed on bugzilla.
02:36 mtompset     Assuming you've installed git bz...
02:36 mtompset     git bz attach ##### HEAD
02:37 mtompset     where ##### corresponds to the bug number you have created on bugzilla.
02:37 mtompset     This is an simple example case.
02:37 peggy        Yes, I have.  I'll try that.  The first submission is always the most fun...
02:37 peggy        Thank you for the steps.  I wasn't adding nor committing.   Much obliged!
02:37 mtompset     Now, let's say you do something like submit it without checking it... and oops, there is a typo. :)
02:37 mtompset     vi file_with_typo
02:38 mtompset     git add file_with_typo
02:38 mtompset     git commit --amend
02:38 mtompset     git bz attach ##### HEAD
02:38 mtompset     and hopefully it will obsolete it on bugzilla, but sometimes it doesn't.
02:39 mtompset     go to the bugzilla page.
02:39 mtompset     click details beside the one to obsolete.
02:39 mtompset     click the 'edit details' link.
02:39 mtompset     and then check obsolete and click submit with no comments. :)
02:40 peggy        Bugzilla has nothing currently.  So I think I can start at the beginning, and cross my fingers!
02:40 mtompset     some people do the git add's after all the vi's.
02:40 mtompset     order doesn't matter, except the you git add BEFORE git commit. :)
02:41 mtompset     ^the^that^
02:41 peggy        And the edits after you checkout...
02:41 mtompset     and you edit BEFORE git add. :)
02:42 mtompset     you can git add before you edit, but that is basically does nothing, and then it hasn't added your changes. :)
02:42 peggy        OK.
02:43 eythian      add is just saying "I have changes now, include them when I commit"
02:43 mtompset     exactly.
02:53 peggy        I was expecting that I could test the changes before committing them, but it throws me into the web installer?
02:54 eythian      that's because your database is at a different version to the code
02:54 eythian      you can probably get away with running the installer
02:54 jcamins      peggy: you can, but you just updated your Koha so you have to run the webinstaller to update.
02:55 peggy        OK
02:55 eythian      keep in mind that (typically) this won't run any code that you added to the installer/updater thingy
02:56 jcamins      eythian: yes it will. That's what XXX means. If you run the updater, any code with an XXX version gets run.
02:56 peggy        I did make a db change.  I'm not sure how I got it applied earlier to test it.  If I commit it and try it in a sandbox will it apply my db change?
02:57 peggy        Ah.  Let me try it then.
02:57 eythian      jcamins: oh, it didn't last I looked, which was a long time ago.
02:57 jcamins      eythian: it's done that since 3.2.
02:57 eythian      yeah, like I said, a long time.
02:57 jcamins      Or maybe 3.4.
03:05 peggy        To do the web installer, I use the username and password from koha-conf.xml, right?  What if that doesn't work?  You guys are very patient with me!!
03:07 eythian      that's right, and if it doesn't work, that means you have typed them wrong :)
03:08 peggy        It is in /etc/koha/sites/koha?
03:09 eythian      probably, yes
03:09 eythian      definitely somewhere under /etc/koha/sites
03:09 mtompset     sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml
03:10 mtompset     where library is the name of your instance, so modify accordingly.
03:10 mtompset     (well, that's for packages)
03:11 mtompset     ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml if you did a default git installation.
03:11 eythian      it's gitified
03:12 eythian      so package layout
03:12 mtompset     Ah.
03:12 mtompset     I didn't know how gitfy works.
03:15 bag          it's awesome seeing everyone helping out peggy with learning git :)  you all go
03:16 peggy        OK.  Now I can install.  But it doesn't like my updatedatabase edits.  It is too late tonight to fix this.  I'll try again tomorrow.
03:16 peggy        Thank You!!!  Thank You!!! Thank you for all the help.
03:16 eythian      no worries :)
03:17 peggy        Good night!
03:17 wahanui      It'll all be over soon...
03:18 eythian      later
04:28 mtompset     question...
04:28 wahanui      somebody said question was "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
04:28 mtompset     If I was adding a field to a table.
04:28 mtompset     Do I modify the CREATE TABLE definition in kohastructure.sql too?
04:28 mtompset     Or do I add an ALTER TABLE to show the difference?
04:29 eythian      both
04:31 mtompset     you mean modify the CREATE TABLE in kohastructure.sql, and put ALTER TABLE in updatedatabase.sql, eythian?
04:31 eythian      yes
04:32 mtompset     at this point in time, do I have to figure out the whole schema mess and modify something else?
04:34 eythian      that depends on whether anything else needs modified.
04:34 eythian      Probably not though.
04:35 mtompset     well, I just refactored the news systems.
04:35 mtompset     because they were passing way too many parameters.
04:36 mtompset     and a hash ref was easier to add the one more field.
04:36 eythian      cool
04:37 mtompset     I'm sure there are optimizations that could be added to my code, but it's to a testable point now. :)
04:37 mtompset     this is related to bug 7567
04:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , News by Library
04:37 eythian      oh, cool. That'll be useful.
04:38 mtompset     Probably won't get a patch posted tonight, but probably tomorrow.
04:39 eythian      ok
04:39 mtompset     I still have to get the filtering working on the news page in the staff client.
04:50 mtompset     eythian: Have you played with news? I was wondering... does it make sense to display "All Locations", when you just filtered for a specific set?
04:51 eythian      I don't understand the questions, so that's probably a 'no' to your first question :)
04:51 mtompset     well "All", when you filtered for "Slip"?
04:51 mtompset     That behaviour seems weird to me.
04:52 eythian      it quite possibly is. Things like that are worth taking to the koha list to get input from users.
04:53 mtompset     I think I'll do that.
05:24 mtompset     Well that was an interesting blip.
05:24 mtompset     Email sent. Filtering the only thing left to look into. I'm pleased with progress for a change. :)
05:25 mtompset     Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha! :)
07:10 * magnuse    waves
07:28 * cait       waves back
07:44 magnuse      bonjour papa
07:44 cait         bbl
07:44 magnuse      hm
07:44 magnuse      bonjour paul_p
07:44 paul_p       hello magnuse
07:45 papa         bonjour, ├ža va?
07:46 magnuse      sehr gut ;-)
07:47 magnuse      sorry if i woke you up papa, i tab completed on one char to little :-)
07:48 papa         no worries, I was about to sign out, so you just woke me up a bit
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:49 magnuse      papa: good :-)
07:49 magnuse      bonjour reiveune
07:49 reiveune     hi magnuse :)
07:51 papa         bye everyone
08:25 marcelr      hi #koha
08:29 gaetan_B     hello
08:29 wahanui      hola, gaetan_B
08:31 marcelr      hi gaetan_B
09:03 marcelr      hi kf, gmcharlt]
09:03 marcelr      without ]
09:05 kf           hi marcelr
09:05 kf           good catch
09:06 kf           @later tell jcamins ping me when you are awake please?
09:18 * Oak        waves
09:18 Oak          @wunder islamabad
09:18 Oak          magnuse
09:21 magnuse      Oak
09:24 Oak          \o/
10:10 vfernandes   Hi :)
10:11 vfernandes   can anyone give me a little help or a tutorial of building hierarquical authorities?
10:13 ashimema     anyone here ever manage to run koha on plack without Plack::Middleware::Debug installed?
10:34 drojf        hi #koha
10:35 vfernandes   it's possible to link authorities to authorities?
10:42 kf           yrd
10:42 kf           yes
10:42 kf           you can make hierarchies
10:47 kivilahtio   a colleague in northern Finland is testing Koha and just emailed me a error message "ssl_error_record_too_long". Apparently he got it from circ/waitingreserves.pl -> "View all libraries" which tries to open up a https-connection?
10:48 vfernandes   using $3 in fields 4XX and 5XX of UNIMARC?
11:05 kf           vfernandes: hm unimarc, not quite sure there
11:05 kf           i tested it with marc21
11:05 kf           maybe i canfind the bug sec
11:06 kf           it's in 3.12
11:06 kf           vfernandes: bug 8523 maybe
11:07 kf           3.10 even
11:24 drojf        somebody destroyed the cleanup_database cronjob. i hope it wasn't me
11:25 magnuse      hm, is it possible to send overdue letters for just one materialtype, and not for the others?
11:26 drojf        hmm. it looks ok on master. why is it broken for us then? :/
11:26 magnuse      drojf: destoyed in what sense?
11:28 drojf        as in Bareword "DEFAULT_MAIL_PURGEDAYS" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl line 88.
11:28 drojf        Execution of /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl aborted due to compilation errors.
11:28 drojf        there is a line missing for me
11:29 drojf        i don't know why though. that's odd
11:29 vfernandes   kf: that bug that Koha only supported UNIMARC, since Koha 3.10 supports MARC21 also
11:29 marcelr      line 24: use constant DEFAULT_MAIL_PURGEDAYS => 30;
11:30 drojf        marcelr: i know
11:30 drojf        marcelr: i just don't know why i don't have it :D
11:30 marcelr      git?
11:30 wahanui      it has been said that git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
11:30 drojf        how can i git blame one line a few steps back?
11:30 drojf        (if possible)
11:31 magnuse      drojf: which version are you on?
11:32 marcelr      perhaps option  -L <start>,<end> ?
11:33 drojf        magnuse: 3.12.05, but with extra patches. including one for that particular file
11:34 magnuse      this is what the file looks like at the HEAD of the 3.12.x branch: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl;h=99310df4d12848309f3a020416cdd8e059408922;hb=cfa47b774e67f7f52fe07b34608630a3c90fa0ee
11:34 magnuse      looks like DEFAULT_MAIL_PURGEDAYS is not used there
11:35 drojf        oh. thanks magnuse! that's helpful
11:36 drojf        not sure why i have half of it then, but that may be due to my patch shifting lines or something
11:37 magnuse      DEFAULT_MAIL_PURGEDAYS seems to have been introduced by this patch: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68b8b9d7a8e9e52d3ce59b25248df03dd6ec8224
11:37 magnuse      bug 8584
11:37 * magnuse    waves to khall
11:38 khall        Morning!
11:38 wahanui      morning is a state of cat
11:38 magnuse      drojf: and 8584 is just pushed to master, not stable
11:40 drojf        magnuse: but i have all of it, just not the constant declaration. weird.
11:41 drojf        oh no, wrong machine maybe :D
11:41 magnuse      lol
11:44 drojf        true, i don't have the lines from that patch, but one. which causes the error
11:45 drojf        i consider that git weirdness. :)
11:45 drojf        magnuse++
11:47 magnuse      :-)
11:47 * magnuse    wanders off in search of lunch
11:47 * drojf      is hungr too
11:47 drojf        hungry even
11:54 drojf        in advanced search, if you leave the first of the three search fields blank and use the second or the third, it uses the search parameter of field one! is that a known bug?
11:55 drojf        (or feature)
12:09 kf           drojf: yes
12:09 kf           i filed it
12:09 kf           is that in the current version?
12:09 kf           because jared claimed he fixed it - maybe it needs the query parser
12:16 ashimema     any big bz aficionados in here?
12:16 ashimema     strugging to get a patch to attach
12:19 * ashimema   feels a bit silly... it was just a missing password in my conf
12:39 drojf        kf: ah, ok. i will try the queryparser anyway today. or at least i am meaning to. without it i have it in 3.12
12:40 kf           it won't work if you have opacsuppression tho
12:40 kf           just a warnin
12:40 kf           g
12:40 kf           ashimema: you solved it - that should not make you feel silly :)
12:40 kf           jcamins: pingpingping
12:40 kf           where is he when you need him? :)
12:41 drojf        kf: what? the queryparser?
12:41 kf           jcamins:
12:42 kf           i have some questions for him - unrelated to your question
12:43 drojf        do i still have to do some things in order to activate queryparser? or just enable it in the staff client? i remember i was confused the last time i looked at it
12:50 drojf        the search query seems to be different so apparently there is nothing else to do. wouldn't it make sense to change the info of the syspref then? it tells me i have to install stuff
12:51 drojf        kf: anyway the problem with the search fields is still in 3.12. do you know the number (or vague title) of your bug?
12:56 samueld      hi everybody
12:58 kf           hm let me find it
13:00 kf           someone developed a jquery fix for it
13:02 kf           drojf: bug 7697
13:02 kf           um
13:02 kf           bug 7607
13:02 kf           and the jquery there seems to be working, i use it in one of our installations
13:04 magnuse      huginn fell over?
13:04 drojf        kf: thanks, i'll have a look
13:05 drojf        why did i not find that bug when i searched for "advanced search"? :/
13:14 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:34 talljoy      mornin #koha oleonard
13:43 magnuse      hiya talljoy and oleonard
13:44 talljoy      hi magnuse
13:44 magnuse      :-)
13:45 magnuse      @wunder boo
13:45 magnuse      gah
13:45 * magnuse    misses huginn
13:45 magnuse      huginn?
13:45 wahanui      somebody said huginn was a bot, not a person.
13:46 oleonard     huginn on another bender?
13:47 kf           i think gmcharlt can bring huginn back
14:04 rambutan     news of the morning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24848907
14:20 druthb       o/  :)
14:21 kf           hi druthb
14:22 druthb       kf!
14:31 tcohen       jonathan
14:31 wahanui      jonathan is there... But at the moment in a meeting
14:31 tcohen       jonathan's nick?
14:32 oleonard     Joubu
14:32 druthb       Hi, tcohen!
14:33 tcohen       hi druthb
14:34 kf           brb
14:34 tcohen       October 6th 2014 onwards, #kohacon14
14:34 tcohen       how does it sound? (not gramatically, of course)
14:34 drojf        lol
14:34 drojf        sounds good to me
14:34 kf           october sounds good :)
14:35 tcohen       is 1 week enough?
14:36 kf           no
14:36 drojf        make it a month \o/
14:37 tcohen       seriously, we could extend a couple of days more the following week
14:37 tcohen       but it will depend on all of you wanting that
14:40 drojf        for me that will depend on whether i can come at all. if i can make the flight i'd probably prefer to stay an extra day or two. or three
14:44 kf           sorry, had to reboot
14:44 jcamins      tcohen: sounds reasonable. I don't think there are any highly observant Jews in the community.
14:45 tcohen       Iom Kipur is October 3rd right?=
14:45 rambutan     tcohen: for me, the earlier in October the better
14:46 jcamins      Yeah, so anyone flying in wouldn't be able to leave until the fifth.
14:46 tcohen       ohhh
14:47 jcamins      If they were observant.
14:47 tcohen       r u?
14:47 tcohen       :D
14:48 jcamins      Not really.
14:50 magnuse      tcohen: sounds like an excellent plan!
14:50 rambutan     tcohen: if I attend (by self-funding) I plan to arrive a couple of days early and stay a couple of days late for sightseeing on my own
14:51 tcohen       :-D
14:57 paul_p       tcohen = oct 6th is fine for me. About the duration, I'm one of the ones who thinks that travelling so far is worth being as long as possible. But others think that travelling too long may result in not getting permission/possibility to come at all.
14:58 rambutan     tcohen: what do you suppose hotel rates would be in the area of the conference?
14:58 paul_p       tcohen I feel it's an undecidable question
14:59 tcohen       rambutan: we'll look for more than one option
14:59 tcohen       but it is more or less 40 US$ to 60 US$
14:59 rambutan     Ah, good. Can handle that.
15:00 rambutan     tcohen: and I would suppose that Argentina has adequate supplies of coffee? There is no life without coffee.
15:00 tcohen       I think we can make it a week (as in Reno) and have everything solved for those who want to stay longer for a long Hackfest
15:00 tcohen       Coffee is not an issue, you can be sure :-D
15:00 jcamins      Someone is doing heavy construction in the building.
15:00 tcohen       jcamins: ouch
15:00 jcamins      I'm pretty sure it's management.
15:01 jcamins      We were not informed.
15:01 rambutan     we would hope that as opposed to an earthquake?
15:01 * jcamins    is very annoyed.
15:02 tcohen       rambutan: there are cheaper accomodations too
15:02 jcamins      I don't care they're doing construction, but they made me fill out a whole bunch of paperwork to tell them that I was going to be painting.
15:04 vfernandes   can anyone tell me how to do Koha hierarquical auths?
15:08 kf           have you tried turning ont he pref mentioned in the bug?
15:08 vfernandes   yes...
15:08 kf           hm not sure if you need to link a plugin to the fields
15:08 kf           so you can link
15:08 vfernandes   AuthDisplayHierarchy is on
15:09 vfernandes   http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=22110&marc=1 -> 450 filled
15:10 vfernandes   on $3 there is the auth ID for a broader term
15:11 dpavlin      hi, #koha. I'm having problem with master - if I edit patron it also gets manual restriction - is there a bug to address this which I can't find?
15:12 oleonard     Hi dpavlin
15:12 * oleonard   tests
15:13 * oleonard   confirms
15:13 oleonard     Yuck.
15:13 oleonard     There's no bug yet for that as far as I know dpavlin
15:13 dpavlin      I will investigate a bit more and submit but for that, then :-)
15:14 jcamins      Ugh. The construction is diagonally across the hall, one floor up.
15:15 jcamins      That apartment is facing in a different direction than ours.
15:15 jcamins      And yet the construction noise is coming in through the window.
15:15 oleonard     When did PTFS kill kohadocs.org? Not that I'm surprised.
15:16 oleonard     I'm sure PTFS doesn't like documents showing that anyone used Koha before Liblime came along.
15:17 jcamins      And the vibration is strong enough to get the bubbles out of concrete.
15:24 vfernandes   kf it's working but only for field 5XX
15:27 jcamins      vfernandes: the authority hierarchies only apply to 5xx fields.
15:28 vfernandes   yes now I know :D
15:28 jcamins      450 is a "see from" reference, so there should never be an authority record associated with that field.
15:28 oleonard     @later tell wizzyrea There are links to koha.org and kohadocs.org that should be deactivated on this page: http://koha-community.org/about/history/
15:28 oleonard     Oh damn I can't @later.
15:28 * oleonard   @later's himself
15:28 marjorie     hi, someone can explain the sys pref noissuecharge? i put 5.00 in noissuecharge and i have 5.00 $ fines but i am not blocked, i can always make checkout. If i have 5.01 fines, it works.
15:29 tcohen       vfernandes: did u take a look at my work on the timezone problem you had?
15:29 vfernandes   yes tcohen
15:29 vfernandes   but the problem was another
15:30 vfernandes   I had some patrons with expiry date at '9999-12-31'
15:31 vfernandes   when using DateTime->new with that date and timezone it tooks a loots of CPU cycles
15:31 vfernandes   and because of that the loans were too damn slow
15:39 vfernandes   One improvement to authorities could be direct links at narrower, broader terms if $3 is filled instead of do a search for the term: http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=22110
15:52 kf           hmm interesting
15:52 wahanui      hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:52 kf           it looks like the encoding in the ils-di-documentation went back to iso??
15:52 kf           "&lt;?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"ISO-8859-1\" ?&gt; &lt;dlf:collection xmlns:dlf=\"http://diglib.org/ilsdi/1.1\" xmlns:xsi=
15:55 Joubu        tcohen: http://pro.test6.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=intranet&authtypecode=PERSO_NAME&marclist=mainentry&and_or=and&operator=contains&orderby=HeadingAsc
15:55 Joubu        I am testing bug 10691
15:56 tcohen       user?
15:56 wahanui      user is logged in already eh?
15:56 Joubu        auth1 (id=1) is linked to auth2 (id=2) in 400$a and auth3 (id=3) in 500$a
15:56 Joubu        tcohen: test/test
15:57 tcohen       it seems to work
15:57 jcamins      Joubu: 4xx fields in authorities aren't linkable.
15:57 Joubu        tcohen: in your test plan, you said: - Check the 'see also:' link points to the authority id for linked authorities,   and to an authority search result in the case of plain text entries.
15:58 Joubu        I don't see a link to a auth search for 400$a and 500$a which are not linked
15:58 tcohen       'used for/see from' are expected to show plain text
15:58 jcamins      That looks correct to me.
15:59 tcohen       the only thing I did was make an exact link to the authid when linked, and a search when free text
15:59 tcohen       i'm not an expert on authorities, just followed what was told here to be the expected behaviour
15:59 Joubu        tcohen: ho yes, it is good now...
16:00 Joubu        zebra has certainly indexed meanwhile
16:00 Joubu        so, it is good :)
16:00 tcohen       and the other related bug just removes unnecesary occurrence of the labels
16:00 Joubu        kf: maybe would you like to have a look?
16:01 tcohen       maybe kf saw something broken on the opac?
16:02 Joubu        tcohen: I applied 10987, it works great :)
16:03 tcohen       Joubu: :-D
16:04 vfernandes   another problem found: once authtrees are builded in UNIMARC they can't be updated
16:04 vfernandes   there is any script to force that?
16:04 jcamins      vfernandes: I think that's by design.
16:05 vfernandes   yes but the building isn't being done everytime
16:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #106 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
16:06 nengard      Does anyone know if the slip that prints on the self checkout uses the ISSUESLIP or the ISSUEQSLIP or neither?
16:06 jcamins      Right, because the feature was designed to not update under UNIMARC. I don't know why, but I didn't change it when I extended the feature to MARC21.
16:07 jcamins      If you think that's a bug, I certainly wouldn't object to changing it.
16:07 reiveune     bye
16:13 jcamins      vfernandes: I think that fredericd might have a script that he uses somewhere.
16:18 vfernandes   thanks jcamins
16:23 kf           tcohen: might be a data problem with 10691 - but it certainly happened for me :(
16:23 kf           i will test again when the patch is in
16:24 kf           oh
16:33 rambutan     well, that bites
16:33 rambutan     I guess we can't do HTML email to the list.
16:39 * oleonard   will brb
16:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #106: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/106/
16:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9618: Add support for intranetuserjs to labels/spinelabel-print.pl
16:44 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9618: (follow-up) include link to jQuery only if needed
16:44 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10570: Show nonpublic note on check expiration page
16:44 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 8821: make receive shipment page hide inactive funds like new order form
16:44 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10841: Make edit/delete item context links in cataloguing translatable
16:44 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 9372: replace carriage return with <br /> in printed HTML files for overdues
16:44 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9372: (follow-up) tidy whitespace in new lines
17:12 drojf        i have a marc framework without visible 041$j. however, i know there is 041$j data in the record. if i switch to a framework with visible 041$j, i only get an empty one, but do not see the existing data in this subfield. is that a regression? i am quite sure that has worked before (for other fields). i am on 3.12
17:12 tcohen       kf?
17:12 wahanui      kf is very interested in accessibility
17:14 drojf        i can see the fields in staff client MARCdetail.pl if i switch the framework. but not in cataloguing
17:26 * kf         uploads a complete bootstrap opac translation
17:35 gaetan_B     bye !
17:50 oleonard     kf++
17:50 kf           bye all
17:50 tcohen       bye kf
17:50 kf           oleonard: still lots to do :)
18:09 tcohen       gmcharlt: around?
18:17 tcohen       @later tell rangi Bernardo's node is set with a 3.12.x db
18:17 mtompset     oleonard++ # for being the only one to reply, thus far.
18:18 mtompset     Greetings, #koha tcohen.
18:18 tcohen       hi mtompset
18:18 rangi        tcohen: nice!
18:18 tcohen       should we set a 3.10 db too?
18:19 rangi        sounds good, where is the config for the 3.12.x one?
18:19 rangi        i need to set the path in the jenkins config
18:19 tcohen       at ~jenkins/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml I think
18:20 tcohen       we found there was that already in place, so we put the DB where it was configured to
18:20 rangi        sweet
18:21 tcohen       bug 10335 doens't fix things for bootstrap
18:24 rangi        http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/107/console
18:24 rangi        giving it a test
18:25 tcohen       fingers crossed
18:26 rangi        it'll take a while to do the first git checkout
18:26 rangi        and im bound to have made a typo somewhere :)
18:28 tcohen       heh, thanks rangi
18:29 * cait       waves
18:30 rangi        hi cait
18:30 cait         hi rangi
18:30 cait         how are things on the other side? :)
18:31 mtompset     other side?
18:31 rangi        rainy
18:32 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:32 rangi        no huggin eh
18:34 cait         nope
18:34 cait         maybe on vacation?
18:34 cait         mtompset: theother side of the world, or in the future.... whatever :)
18:35 mtompset     Ah...
18:35 mtompset     Thanks for the clarification, cait. By the way, hello to both you and rangi. :)
18:52 rangi        drojf: there's a bunch of club mate coming for kiwicon
18:54 rangi        drojf: https://twitter.com/kiwicon/status/398295766503936000
18:54 rangi        also https://twitter.com/nO_biT_tO_l00sE/status/398394392622297088
18:54 jcamins      drojf: seems to me that's a longstanding bug.
18:54 jcamins      I remember being bothered by it in 3.6.
18:54 rangi        and https://twitter.com/mike_jager/status/398296076945342465
19:09 tcohen       martin?
19:11 tcohen       does anyone know martin's nick?
19:11 tcohen       cait?
19:11 wahanui      cait: go to bed
19:12 cait         ashimema :)
19:13 tcohen       @later tell ashimema take a look at tge "Building Debian Packages - The Easy Way" wiki page, surprise!
19:13 drojf        err. thanks pidgin that i am talking to myself for 10 minutes now
19:13 drojf        (20:03:13) drojf: lol rangi that' cool
19:13 drojf        (20:03:20) drojf: jcamins: the framework thing?
19:14 jcamins      drojf: yes.
19:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #107 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
19:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #107: FAILURE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/107/
19:14 drojf        jcamins: good to know. but weird. i am sure i have seen this work before
19:15 drojf        also i am not sure what to do with the records now. i assume if i change the framework and save it will lose the data have to try that later
19:16 drojf        there is a . missing somewhere ;)
19:16 tcohen       byeee
19:16 jcamins      drojf: I just changed everything to the default framework in the database.
19:18 drojf        jcamins: oh yes, doing it in sql sounds like a good idea if we have a lot of those. i don't know yet
19:50 drojf        jcamins: ha! there is no 041$j in the default framework! my colleague must have added it to her dvd framework. so maybe the problem will just disappear when i add it to the default
19:51 drojf        ar at least never happen again afterwards
20:01 * mtompset   puts on his, "pick up son at bus stop, and then become chauffeur for wife" hat.
20:01 mtompset     Have a great day, #koha.
20:01 tcohen       rangi: Devel::Cover::Report?
20:18 tcohen       @later tell rangi I installed the missing Devel::Cover::Report::Clover library and created a missing directory with 'jenkins' permissions
20:19 rangi        awesome thank you
20:25 rangi        tcohen: trying again now
20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #108 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
20:25 cait         fingers crossed :)
20:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #108: STILL FAILING in 2 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/108/
20:28 rangi        ah ha
20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #109 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago)
20:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #109: STILL FAILING in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/109/
20:30 rangi        @later tell tcohen we need TAP::Harness::JUnit too please
20:33 maximep      is something wrong with koha-community.org ?
20:35 oleonard     Not working for me either maximep
20:48 * wizzyrea   waves
20:48 rangi        welcome back wizzyrea
20:49 rangi        how was perth? hot?
20:49 wizzyrea     25ish - nice town though
20:49 * cait       waves at wizzyrea
20:49 wizzyrea     "town" with 1.5 million people
20:50 wizzyrea     Melbourne was more interesting, Perth was friendlier
20:50 wizzyrea     both were warmish
20:51 wizzyrea     JesseM - In the future if you notice the community website being down, please notify myself, or gmcharlt. Thanks.
20:51 JesseM       will do :P
20:51 wizzyrea     that goes for anybody really ;)
20:52 wizzyrea     email works well, as that goes to my phone - wizzyrea at gmail
20:52 jcamins      wizzyrea: were you telling me you made a cauliflower pizza that was supremely delicious?
20:53 wizzyrea     yes :)
20:53 jcamins      Yay!
20:53 jcamins      Where might I find the recipe?
20:53 wizzyrea     one second
20:53 wizzyrea     there are two different cauliflower crusts, one of which I have tried, the other I have not.
20:54 jcamins      Oh, not vegan?
20:54 * jcamins    thoguht it was a cheese replacement.
20:54 jcamins      *thought
20:54 jcamins      Though cauliflower crust sounds good too.
20:55 wizzyrea     http://www.endofthreefitness.com/practically-paleo-cauliflower-pizza-crust/ no it's a crust replacement
20:55 wizzyrea     grain/flour
20:55 rangi        and this
20:55 cait         hm someone with a master install around?
20:55 rangi        is the winning move
20:55 rangi        09:51 < jrochkind> So all that new RDA stuff for format/carrier? It still doesn't provide clear  indication of things that are DVD's, or CD's, or blu-ray, etc. ARGH.
20:55 rangi        09:51 < jrochkind> "video on optical disk" is the best you get.
20:55 cait         could you confirm one can not save a patron with empty birhtdate?
20:55 * wizzyrea   will check 2 shakes
20:55 wizzyrea     new or existing borrower?
20:55 cait         ok, this is weird... but probably not reproducable
20:56 cait         forget i asked
20:56 jcamins      Ooh, that looks delicious.
20:56 cait         my patron somehow had a 00/00/02 date
20:56 cait         no idea how that happened, and then i couldn't save, but second time it worked... i think data maybe, but no idea ho wit happened
20:56 oleonard     rangi: I thought the RDA cabal hadn't even gotten around to covering anything other than books
20:56 jcamins      That crust looks magnificent. I will make that.
20:57 cait         but thx wizzyrea for offering :) wizzyrea++
20:57 wizzyrea     oh oh oh
20:57 wizzyrea     cait that seems like a problem in the date plugin
20:58 wizzyrea     you are using euro dates not us dates?
20:58 jcamins      I'm not sure what to put it on, though.
20:58 cait         us still
20:58 wizzyrea     jcamins: look up paleo pizza for ideas
20:58 cait         almost clean sample database
20:58 jcamins      cait: sounds like bad data in your patron categories.
20:58 jcamins      cait: I've seen that before.
20:58 cait         in the date of birth?
20:58 jcamins      Oh.
20:58 jcamins      No.
20:58 cait         :)
20:58 jcamins      Sorry.
20:59 jcamins      I've seen it in expiration date.
20:59 cait         but yeah, we had trouble with the dates before
20:59 cait         i will see if it happens again
20:59 wizzyrea     it was similar trouble
20:59 wizzyrea     with .... suspending holds I think
20:59 cait         right now i confirmed that due notices don't seem to work :(
20:59 wizzyrea     something to do with the jquery date plugin needing a config fil
20:59 wizzyrea     file*
20:59 wizzyrea     ew.
20:59 cait         patron has email address, predue + digest is checked, item is due today.... advance_notices.pl generates... nothing
21:00 cait         so... either i missed something, or it#s true
21:00 wizzyrea     cait - predue isn't due
21:00 cait         sorry
21:00 cait         i mean due
21:00 cait         just confusing my words
21:00 wizzyrea     k :)
21:00 jcamins      I have kale and eggplant.
21:00 cait         and i really checked item due
21:00 cait         in the messaging preferences
21:00 jcamins      I'm not sure how either of those will turn into a pizza topping.
21:01 cait         we have that happen for a library we updated from 3.6 to 3.12 :(
21:01 cait         it worked nicely before the update, now it doesn't - trying to find out why
21:02 wizzyrea     hm, grilled eggplant would be awesome on pizza
21:02 * cait       agrees
21:03 wizzyrea     but you'd probably have to grill it first and then put it on the pizza
21:03 jcamins      Right.
21:03 wizzyrea     and then bake it a bit.
21:03 jcamins      And then it would just be grilled eggplant on top of a cauliflower pizza crust.
21:03 wizzyrea     with sauce
21:03 wizzyrea     you are avoiding cheese?
21:03 * cait       is going to do git bisect! heh
21:03 jcamins      I only have a half cup.
21:03 cait         it works in my 3.6.10 check out
21:03 cait         and now i will try to be quiet
21:04 jcamins      I do have sauce, though.
21:04 wizzyrea     ! why for?
21:04 jcamins      We have so much food that I really need to limit myself to food already in the house. Unfortunately, I want pizza.
21:05 jcamins      The CSA finally started having good harvests.
21:05 cait         jcamins: got mine today too :)
21:06 cait         i got white cabbage - no idea what to do with it yet
21:06 jcamins      White cabbage?
21:06 cait         dictionary suggested that...
21:06 wizzyrea     napa cabbage?
21:06 jcamins      Looks the same as regular cabbage to me.
21:06 cait         this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei%C3%9Fkohl
21:07 cait         it's light green hard and huge?
21:07 rambutan     CSA?
21:08 jcamins      cait: in the US that's just "cabbage."
21:08 jcamins      I guess in other countries it's not just cabbage.
21:08 cait         noted, we should correct the dictionary :)
21:08 jcamins      rambutan: Community Supported Agriculture.
21:08 rambutan     ah
21:09 cait         mine is different, we have an island in the lake that's famous for growing veggies - and i get a delivery once a week - it's fun :)
21:11 jcamins      Ooh, I also have bok cho.
21:11 jcamins      *choy
21:12 cait         tomatos, lettuce, cress, carrots, cabbage... giant leek
21:12 cait         hm and... rocket ?
21:13 jcamins      Yeah, it's rocket in most places.
21:13 jcamins      Except New York, apparently, where it's arugula.
21:13 wizzyrea     you know I got a rocket and arugula salad once.
21:13 wizzyrea     it was a lot of rocket.
21:13 cait         :)
21:14 wizzyrea     i put them into "misc lettuces"
21:14 jcamins      wizzyrea: really?
21:14 wizzyrea     :P
21:14 wizzyrea     yea, it was bizarre
21:14 wizzyrea     the "edible green things" category
21:15 rambutan     I grow lots of stuff in my garden. Bushels of eggplant in particular. Wish you all lived nearby. I sometimes bring in 30lbs a day and try to get the staff to eat them.
21:15 oleonard     Bye guys
21:15 cait         bye oleonard :)
21:15 rambutan     I should say 30lbs daily for a couple of months
21:15 jcamins      Let's see... I have kale, sweet potatoes, baby bok choy, broccoli, cauliflower, and more bell peppers.
21:16 cait         rambutan: yum :)
21:16 cait         jcamins: sounds good too :)
21:16 jcamins      And an eggplant.
21:16 jcamins      I was hoping to get a second, but that didn't happen.
21:16 cait         oh
21:16 rambutan     now if I could just figure out how to grow smoked oysters I'd be set
21:17 wizzyrea     there are always mountain oysters.
21:17 jcamins      wizzyrea: ooh, you know what I made with kale that was delicious?
21:17 jcamins      I made a kale tart with a pear compote.
21:18 jcamins      It was really, really good.
21:18 cait         interestng
21:18 jcamins      Astonishingly good.
21:18 jcamins      I was kind of surprised how successful it was, in fact.
21:18 wizzyrea     ok that does sound yummy
21:19 jcamins      Yeah, it sounded yummy when I thought it up, but just "yummy."
21:19 jcamins      Not "best thing ever," which it may have been.
21:20 eythian      hi
21:20 cait         *sigh*
21:20 cait         bug 9362
21:20 wizzyrea     so, cait - notices, an upgraded system loses it's ability to do due notices? apparently?
21:20 wizzyrea     huginn is away
21:21 cait         wizzyrea: new systems as well
21:21 cait         since july
21:21 cait         bug 9362 is what gitbisect came up with
21:21 cait         it 'fixed it'
21:21 cait         and broke due
21:21 rangi        fixed it good
21:21 cait         hmpf.
21:22 jcamins      bug 9362
21:22 wahanui      rumour has it bug 9362 is what gitbisect came up with
21:22 cait         jcamins: huginn is not here
21:22 * jcamins    refuses to acknowledge this.
21:22 jcamins      huginn: bug 9362?
21:22 wahanui      i think bug 9362 is what gitbisect came up with
21:23 cait         jcamins: it's ok, i am usre he will be back soon ... don't be sad
21:23 jcamins      @later tell huggin bug 9362?
21:23 jcamins      :)
21:24 rangi        its a tiny patch
21:24 cait         hm due notices broken.. blocker? critical?
21:24 rambutan     @wunder 64507
21:24 druthb       @later tell huginn @quote random
21:24 cait         probably only major
21:24 * druthb     chuckles, and wanders off.
21:24 rambutan     huginn still out-of-the-office
21:24 rangi        FROM issues
21:24 rangi        LEFT JOIN items USING (itemnumber)
21:24 rangi        LEFT OUTER JOIN branches USING (branchcode)
21:24 rangi        -WhERE returndate is NULL
21:24 rangi        -AND ( TO_DAYS( NOW() )-TO_DAYS( date_due ) ) < ?
21:24 rangi        +WHERE returndate is NULL
21:24 rangi        +HAVING days_until_due > 0 AND days_until_due < ?
21:24 rangi        anyone spot the problem?
21:25 jcamins      What's the query for?
21:25 cait         having days_until_due > 0
21:26 rangi        due dates
21:26 rangi        yep
21:26 rangi        =>
21:26 cait         you are faster than me :) i just filed the bug - it's bug 11218
21:26 rangi        if you want ones that are due
21:27 cait         i just wonder why it was changed in the first place
21:28 rangi        before it was picking up all overdues too
21:28 rangi        is what the patch says
21:28 rangi        This patch corrects an error in its handling of the maxdays parameter that resulted in it picking up *all* upcoming due loans and recently overdue loans
21:29 cait         hm wondeirng
21:29 cait         just changing it to >= 0 should work?
21:29 rangi        try it and see
21:29 rangi        but yes
21:29 rangi        for due anyway
21:29 cait         yeha it seems logical, but of course i will test :)
21:29 cait         it will work for predue too
21:29 cait         it checks there, we have seen that looking for the bug in the code
21:29 rangi        yep
21:30 cait         but i will double check
21:30 cait         i mean it checks the interval and will filter the 0 out again
21:31 rangi        also apropos the nosql db discussion the other day http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/nosql/
21:32 cait         first tests look good
21:32 jcamins      Hehe.
21:38 eythian      When I first went to the MS Access one on that site, it didn't load. I thought that was the joke.
21:40 rangi        heh
21:40 eythian      http://howfuckedismydistro.com/gentoo/ <-- also good
21:44 magnuse      oops, no gbsd this week, i guess
21:44 rangi        i pity all the ppl trying to fly into wellington for kiwicon today
21:44 magnuse      would folks be interested in one (early) next week?
21:44 rangi        specially those on jetstar
21:44 magnuse      windy?
21:44 rangi        mist/fog
21:44 magnuse      ah
21:45 magnuse      probably quite a rare problem in wellington?
21:45 rangi        yeah usually the wind keeps it away
21:46 rangi        http://www.nzia.co.nz/awards/new-zealand-architecture-awards/local-architecture-awards.aspx?page=17#
21:46 rangi        Te Takere won an architecture award
21:46 maximep      pfffffffff gentoo ftw :D
21:46 magnuse      same for BOO :-)
21:46 rangi        the home of koha .. looking great
21:46 magnuse      woohoo tetakere++
21:46 eythian      maximep: I'll agree/disagree when it finishes compiling.
21:46 * magnuse    can't wait to see it :-)
21:47 maximep      so, in a min
21:47 maximep      :P
21:47 rangi        mines still going from 2001
21:48 maximep      my SSD crashed, so lost my gentoo install from 2004 :(
21:48 maximep      hmmm probably more 2006
21:48 * magnuse    wishes everyone a productive time of the day
21:48 maximep      i'm the only guy crazy enough to use gentoo at work -_-
21:48 wizzyrea     later magnuse :)
21:48 rangi        actually i dunno, i havent turned that machine on in years, its probably not going to spin up
22:43 jcamins      Ooh, new Google feature. When I search for "vegan pizza" it suggests takeout... in Portland, OR.
23:14 eythian      https://github.com/dmarti/piehole <-- could be useful
23:15 rangi        ohhh
23:18 wizzyrea     ooooo
23:18 wizzyrea     fancy
23:37 * cait       think she might have gotten it right...but...
23:37 wizzyrea     wha?
23:39 cait         bad english, late... still working on the due bug
23:45 wizzyrea     no, just wondering why "may" - are you still having trouble?
23:47 cait         no
23:47 cait         just... it's a bit of a sensitive spot
23:47 cait         i don't want to mess it up more by missing something :) but i have uploaded my patches
23:49 cait         bug 11218...*hint*
23:54 wizzyrea     :)
23:56 cait         I'd really appreciate some feedback, because we have a library suffering from that... and i don't want to make it worse :)